| 00:02.08 | jsmanrique | mallum: how are you booting the kernel on it? |
| 00:04.57 | jsmanrique | mallum: I mean, how have you copied the linux image to it? |
| 00:05.57 | mallum | jsmanrique: I have a usb cdrom coinnected to it, its booting a kernel off that |
| 00:07.05 | jsmanrique | mallum: hmm |
| 00:07.27 | jsmanrique | mallum: you are trying a classic installation |
| 00:07.54 | jsmanrique | mallum: and you are in text-mode phase, and it doesn't recognize the keyboard |
| 00:08.10 | jsmanrique | mallum: how about using the framebuffer to load a xkbd? |
| 00:10.46 | jsmanrique | mallum: could it be done? |
| 00:14.55 | paul | ermm.. what do i need to do to get dhcp to work for an iface? |
| 00:15.13 | pb_ | just put "iface eth0 inet dhcp" or whatever in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:17.35 | mallum | jsmanrique: it would be much easier to just pull the drive out and stick it in another machine, and install from there. then replace the drive |
| 00:17.59 | jsmanrique | mallum: well, maybe for you.. but for a normal user.. |
| 00:18.18 | mallum | jsmanrique: also jamey already has one working, so I have to talk to him too and find out he he got the keyboard working |
| 00:18.43 | mallum | jsmanrique: but he has the docking station and maybe that enbables something, but I thought that was all usb too |
| 00:19.00 | jsmanrique | mallum: well, maybe the keyboard |
| 00:19.10 | jsmanrique | mallum: maybe jamey has the keyboard too |
| 00:20.01 | mallum | jsmanrique: yes |
| 00:20.44 | jsmanrique | mallum: that should make it much easier |
| 00:21.10 | jsmanrique | mallum: but it is great news knowing that Linux run on TabletPC |
| 00:21.40 | jsmanrique | mallum: well, it was known that Linux should run on it, but this is the first "real" news I heard about it |
| 00:22.01 | jsmanrique | mallum: could you take any photo of it? |
| 00:22.21 | flypiper | pb_: i keep getting unable to mount root fs .. from a kernel I made on my winder. 2.4.19 with rmk4 patch. do I need to feed the mtdblock locations on cmd line for it to boot?? |
| 00:22.54 | pb_ | flypiper: the bootldr should take care of all that. |
| 00:23.23 | flypiper | pb_: hmm im using h3800 config from CVS.. is there a bug in rmk4?? |
| 00:23.25 | pb_ | flypiper: I'm not sure if plain 2.4.19-rmk4 includes enough oft he ipaq patches to work though. You might do better with handhelds.org cvs |
| 00:23.39 | flypiper | pb_: OK..thanks |
| 00:23.53 | pb_ | fwiw, the HEAD in cvs is currently at 2.4.19-rmk6. |
| 00:24.10 | flypiper | .-) |
| 00:24.13 | jsmanrique | mallum: how about buying a Transmeta development board and making own linux device? |
| 00:25.51 | jsmanrique | mallum: and you have Viglen in UK too, but it seems to be a FIC device |
| 00:26.22 | mallum | jsmanrique: hmmm, Im not very good at putting things togeather |
| 00:26.31 | mallum | jsmanrique: I can take them apart ok though :-) |
| 00:27.02 | mallum | jsmanrique: I will take some photo's, when I have something to take photo's of ! |
| 00:27.08 | jsmanrique | mallum: http://www.viglen.co.uk/default.asp?hometarget=/product/exaro/exaro.asp&SitePageType=Products |
| 00:28.00 | jsmanrique | mallum: it is an UK company, but it looks like a FIC Slate Vision tabletpc |
| 00:28.25 | jsmanrique | mallum: how about battery life? |
| 00:28.55 | jsmanrique | mallum: last it more than ipaq battery? I think it doesn't |
| 00:29.13 | jsmanrique | mallum: that's the reason I still prefer my h3850 |
| 00:29.59 | jsmanrique | mallum: about the Trasnmeta dev. Kit: http://www.transmeta.com/developers/devkit.html |
| 00:30.37 | jsmanrique | mallum: and I've read that Intel will release its firts Centrino devices this month |
| 00:31.14 | mallum | cool |
| 00:32.08 | paul | pb_: that xkbd width,landscape/portrait problem, cant seem to trigger it reliably - but it does happen. |
| 00:32.12 | jsmanrique | mallum: about CrusoeSE: http://www.transmetazone.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1315 |
| 00:32.18 | pb_ | paul: ah. |
| 00:32.28 | pb_ | btw, any news on gpe-login language chooser? |
| 00:33.49 | jsmanrique | mallum: and about Centrino: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2331768275.html |
| 00:34.18 | jsmanrique | mallum: "Centrino mobile technology" will be introduced March 12 at speeds up to 1.6 GHz. |
| 00:36.59 | paul | pb_: i'm too knackered to do much this eve, plus i have my new wifi kit to play with :) |
| 00:37.15 | pb_ | heh, righto |
| 00:37.18 | paul | pb_: i have 3 days off next week, will have it for you then. |
| 00:37.25 | pb_ | great. |
| 00:38.41 | jsmanrique | pb_: any special for jamey meeting at Cambridge? |
| 00:39.06 | jsmanrique | pb_: have you seen debian-handheld mailing list? |
| 00:39.37 | jsmanrique | pb_: http://lists.debian.org/debian-handheld/ |
| 00:40.42 | pigeon | jsmanrique: Interesting indeed. |
| 00:41.11 | jsmanrique | pigeon: what exactly? I think I have said too much without answer :-)) |
| 00:42.11 | pigeon | Heh |
| 00:42.35 | pigeon | Wondering how many people actually running "debian" on handheld, and what handheld. |
| 00:43.13 | jsmanrique | I read the mailing list, and it seems that it is too focused in Zaurus device |
| 00:43.15 | pb_ | jsmanrique: yes, I'm subscribed to that list, but I haven't been paying much attention. |
| 00:43.21 | jsmanrique | and OpenZaurus |
| 00:43.33 | jsmanrique | pb_: I've suposed that |
| 00:43.37 | pb_ | pigeon: aside from Intimate, I don't think anybody is really running Debian on a handheld right now. |
| 00:43.55 | pb_ | pigeon: as jsmanrique says, the debian-handheld effort is mostly focused on Zaurus right now. |
| 00:44.05 | pigeon | Yeah that's what I'm thinking. |
| 00:44.42 | jsmanrique | main problem is that there isn't another linux device alternative |
| 00:44.48 | jsmanrique | despite chinesse models |
| 00:44.58 | jsmanrique | like MasterIA device |
| 00:45.07 | pb_ | pigeon: there might be some good to be had out of it though, in terms of making Debian packages more suitable for use in familiar. |
| 00:45.10 | jsmanrique | http://www.masteria.com.tw |
| 00:45.10 | paul | elinks and links: elinks says "based on 0.96-pb patches", links is 0.98 - which one is recc'd? |
| 00:45.32 | pb_ | e.g. if we could get debian to start building cut-down ipkg-like packageswith no documentation and so on. |
| 00:46.49 | jsmanrique | pb_: maybe |
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| 02:03.37 | paul | hmm.. olirc and 'gpe-irc' conflict: |
| 02:03.40 | paul | Package olirc wants to install file /usr/share/pixmaps/gpe-irc.png |
| 02:04.10 | pigeon | lol |
| 02:04.13 | pigeon | Really? |
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| 07:39.45 | florian | hi all! |
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| 07:58.03 | florian | cmarqu_werk: hi! |
| 08:12.46 | cmarqu_werk | Hi florian |
| 08:15.00 | cmarqu_werk | Hmm, I don't seem to have that minirotate dock app or whatever it is... |
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| 08:32.45 | cmarqu_werk | florian: Any chance that we can have a new gpe-conf ipkg before tomorrow noon? |
| 08:34.05 | florian | cmarqu_werk: yes, i could create one - but it will be an unstable one, i just work on this matchbox config stuff |
| 08:35.18 | florian | brb |
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| 08:41.07 | florian | back again... |
| 08:43.55 | cmarqu_werk | florian: Unstable is okay as long as I can bring it up :) |
| 08:45.05 | cmarqu_werk | OPIE is taking over scap! Somebody to the rescue! |
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| 08:53.47 | pb_ | morning |
| 08:54.22 | florian | pb_: hi |
| 08:55.18 | florian | cmarqu_werk: but shure :-) |
| 08:55.22 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 08:57.29 | florian | cmarqu_werk: at the moment i have a 34MBit fatrate... i don't think they could beat this ;-) |
| 08:59.27 | florian | what about a small color selector dialog? |
| 08:59.58 | florian | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.27513.png |
| 09:02.32 | florian | pb_: i tried to use GtkColorSelector on ipaq yesterday... i think we could remove it, it's way to slow... looks like it uses lots of float arithmetics |
| 09:03.26 | pb_ | florian: yeah, I hope the new floating point implementation will make it more usable. |
| 09:12.50 | florian | pb_: this would be cool, but additionally it is too large for ipaq screen... |
| 09:13.17 | florian | btw. freeswan ipkg lacks x.509 support :-( |
| 09:13.17 | pb_ | Ah. |
| 09:13.23 | pb_ | florian: yes, I saw your bug report. |
| 09:14.23 | florian | i need to send my scaps unencrypted ;-) |
| 09:14.26 | pb_ | It seems that Jamey is kind of busy at the moment. Maybe you'd like to try to build a new freeswan ipk using the patch from Debian? I think it's only pluto that needs to change. |
| 09:15.21 | pb_ | Maybe you could even just take the binaries from Debian and repackage them in an ipk. |
| 09:15.28 | florian | yep, i think i tried this before - should not be a prblem... |
| 09:16.33 | florian | this is a good idea... i'll look at our cat :-) |
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| 09:34.24 | florian | mallum: hi mallum |
| 09:34.48 | mallum | hey florian |
| 09:36.18 | mallum | hmmm, I updating the matchbox manual for 0.5, but its not really just a wm anymore so I need to think of a title to encompass everything included |
| 09:36.55 | mallum | anyone any ideas ? |
| 09:45.37 | florian | "Matchbox X enironment"? |
| 09:46.43 | mallum | florian: yeah thats about the best I've come up with |
| 09:46.56 | mallum | 'Matchbox is a suite of tools for managing X11 applications' |
| 10:25.19 | pb_ | gah, ipkg still busted. |
| 10:28.23 | mallum | pb_: whats bust with ? |
| 10:30.11 | pb_ | just same old. |
| 10:30.24 | pb_ | "uninstalled package has NULL tmp_unpack_dir" |
| 10:30.42 | mallum | :( |
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| 10:56.57 | PaxAnima | morning |
| 10:57.02 | florian | helloo |
| 10:57.09 | mallum | hey PaxAnima |
| 10:58.16 | PaxAnima | mallum: did you dig up any doc on multisync? or did you just look at the source? |
| 10:58.50 | mallum | PaxAnima: just the src breifly |
| 10:59.10 | PaxAnima | ok |
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| 11:11.06 | pb_ | hi pigeon |
| 11:16.21 | pigeon | hi pb_ |
| 11:40.12 | mallum | pb_: do you think with your cf-usb dongle the ipaq batterys will last long with this -> http://www.dct-net.co.jp/special/usb_hot.html ? |
| 11:48.07 | mallum | Woohoo !!! my c700's arrrived :-) |
| 11:54.39 | cmarqu_werk | Hmm, what is required to get the rotation dockapp? I don't seem to have it by default... |
| 12:05.01 | mallum | cmarqu_werk: ipkg install matchbox-panel-hacks iirc |
| 12:21.28 | cmarqu_werk | Okay, thanks. |
| 12:22.09 | cmarqu_werk | IMO this should be in the bootgpe image. |
| 12:24.28 | mallum | yeah probably |
| 12:24.46 | mallum | its takes approx 30 seconds to tuen a c-700 english :-) |
| 12:24.53 | mallum | qtopia is slow as shit on it |
| 12:33.05 | PaxAnima | mallum: what are the specs for it? xscale 400mhz? |
| 12:36.15 | mallum | PaxAnima: yeah xscale based |
| 12:36.33 | mallum | PaxAnima: but screen is 640x480, so 4 times as many pixels to throw around as ipaq |
| 12:36.47 | PaxAnima | ah.. does it look good? |
| 12:36.52 | mallum | PaxAnima: I think its that, thats responsable for slowness |
| 12:37.03 | mallum | PaxAnima: its probably the best screen I ever seen |
| 12:37.37 | mallum | PaxAnima: the screen is the same physical size as the ipaqs ( maybe a little smaller ) so its got really high definition |
| 12:37.54 | mallum | PaxAnima: battery life seems pretty attricious too |
| 12:39.56 | PaxAnima | ah |
| 12:40.31 | PaxAnima | things doesn't get too small, if you have 4 times the resolution and smaller screen than the ipaq? |
| 12:40.57 | mallum | yeah some things do look a bit small |
| 12:41.10 | mallum | qtopia looks like its been really rushed togeather |
| 12:41.31 | PaxAnima | oh? in what way? slow? unstable? |
| 12:42.38 | mallum | PaxAnima: just slow and not very well thought out for a bigger display |
| 12:43.05 | mallum | PaxAnima: there is a guy in #hh.org asking about a swedish xkbd layout - is that similar to norwegian ? |
| 12:43.48 | PaxAnima | hmm... not sure... |
| 12:46.05 | PaxAnima | anywhere I can find the layout of different keyboards? |
| 12:47.07 | mallum | PaxAnima: didn't you do the norwegian one ? |
| 12:47.29 | PaxAnima | mallum: yes... |
| 12:51.10 | PaxAnima | mallum: trying to find a picture of the layout... found some incomplete ones. but it seems like the swedish layout is pretty similar to the norwegian one, so making a swedish one shouldn't be much work |
| 12:51.37 | mallum | PaxAnima: ah cool, the guy seems to have now gone quiet in #hh.org |
| 13:01.54 | PaxAnima | hmm... it looks like the difference between the norwegian and swedish keyboard is ø = ö and æ = ä |
| 13:25.20 | spung | anyone want to mail tigert or shall I? |
| 13:33.34 | spung | wow |
| 13:33.35 | spung | # du -h .xsession-errors |
| 13:33.36 | spung | 30.2M .xsession-errors |
| 13:33.46 | PaxAnima | heh |
| 13:33.55 | spung | this is on the ipaq! |
| 13:34.23 | mallum | spung: its probably the test matchbox versions |
| 13:34.35 | mallum | spung: that spool alot of crap to stdout ( for my testing ) |
| 13:34.51 | spung | mallum: ok, cool |
| 13:36.00 | mallum | spung: you may want to edit your .mbstart to pipe it all to /dev/null or something |
| 13:36.33 | mallum | spung: and I'll get rid of some of the major ones now |
| 13:53.02 | cmarqu_werk | PaxAnima: xkeycaps could be of use to determine keyboard layouts |
| 13:54.27 | PaxAnima | xkeycaps? |
| 13:56.11 | cmarqu_werk | Yeah. On the desktop. |
| 13:58.00 | cmarqu_werk | Hmm, the mailing list archives are b0rked. |
| 14:00.06 | spung | mallum: feature request: store the position of the icons counting from left or right depending on which is nearer so that they look ok in both portrait and landscape mode :) |
| 14:03.29 | mallum | spung: ok, wanna file it as a bug ? |
| 14:05.29 | spung | mallum: handhelds.org bugzilla? |
| 14:12.00 | mallum | spung: yeah that'd be cool |
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| 14:12.10 | spung | mallum: done |
| 14:12.23 | mallum | spung: thank you very much sir :-) |
| 14:12.33 | mallum | spung: spring loaded dock |
| 14:12.49 | spung | mallum: spring loaded dock? |
| 14:13.05 | mallum | spung: I just thought that was a good name for it |
| 14:13.31 | mallum | hey Hallski |
| 14:13.40 | spung | mallum: they don't teach that stuff in the british council :D i don't understand |
| 14:14.18 | mallum | hmm cat is being sick |
| 14:14.42 | mallum | damn furballs |
| 14:15.07 | spung | mallum: i like cats but mine liked to pee all over.. oh the smell.. |
| 14:15.29 | mallum | spung: oh deer |
| 14:15.40 | mallum | spung: hes marking you as his property thats all |
| 14:15.46 | spung | mallum: yeah |
| 14:15.56 | mallum | I had the pups piss on me a few times |
| 14:16.04 | mallum | sudden warm sesation on leg - not nice |
| 14:16.05 | spung | mallum: hah |
| 14:16.57 | spung | mallum: i don't have a cat anymore.. it's tough for them to live in an appartment.. i gave him to a lady who has a big garden |
| 14:18.14 | mallum | spung: and a large cooking pot ? |
| 14:18.31 | mallum | sorry that was evil |
| 14:18.56 | spung | mallum: i think I ate a cat once, now that was evil! |
| 14:19.17 | spung | mallum: considering everyone thought they were eating rabbit |
| 14:19.28 | mallum | ewe ! |
| 14:19.39 | spung | mallum: i'm glad i didn't eat much.. |
| 14:20.45 | spung | mallum: the restaurant was closed by the authorities some time after |
| 14:20.57 | spung | there really were a lot of cats around the restaurant |
| 14:21.08 | spung | oh well |
| 14:21.17 | spung | the chinese have no problems with that :) |
| 14:21.21 | mallum | thats totally grim |
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| 14:34.35 | mallum | hey jg |
| 14:36.26 | jg | mallum: hi. |
| 14:37.17 | jg | mallum: you could put a breakpoint on where that error message gets printed and figure out why from there, if you want. I'm working at home today, and left my iPAQ at work, so I'm not going to be able to look into the problem. |
| 14:37.48 | jg | mallum: since the same problem occurs with the luxi directory, this is generic in some fashion. |
| 14:52.07 | mallum | jg: if I get a chance I'll look at it when I repackage X for 4.3 |
| 14:54.50 | pb_ | mallum: are you maintaining the X ipks now? should we mark you as the assignee for X bugs in bugzilla? |
| 14:55.58 | mallum | pb_: well I dont really want to become X maintainer, I thought I was just helping out till jg got better |
| 14:56.47 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone interested in adding latest X stuff and gpe/gtk2 to the OZ buildroot? |
| 14:56.59 | mallum | TheMasterMind1: yes, I plan to add X |
| 14:57.08 | TheMasterMind1 | we already have tinyX |
| 14:57.11 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm not sure how thats different |
| 14:57.23 | pb_ | ah, fair enough. |
| 14:57.25 | TheMasterMind1 | but its 4.1 i think |
| 14:58.03 | TheMasterMind1 | mallum: that would be great |
| 14:58.09 | TheMasterMind1 | thanks |
| 14:58.22 | mallum | TheMasterMind1: your X is crap and outdated |
| 14:58.30 | mallum | ;-) |
| 14:58.36 | TheMasterMind1 | mallum: heh, i thought so |
| 15:16.29 | jg | TheMasterMind1: we depend on current render stuff in a number of places (e.g. xstroke). |
| 15:16.53 | TheMasterMind1 | gpe does? |
| 15:17.07 | jg | gpe does.... |
| 15:17.15 | jg | e.g. xstroke. |
| 15:17.51 | jg | might run on 4.2, definately would not on 4.1, 4.3 is really the right answer. |
| 15:18.12 | TheMasterMind1 | ok, so first we need an updated X in the buildroot, then gpe can be added |
| 15:24.36 | jg | TheMasterMind1: At some point, we'll have libraries that will make the apps even run on antique X servers: cworth is working on those libraries (Xr, etc) to provide render functionality on anything.... But right now, we have the dependency on pretty current X servers. |
| 15:25.59 | TheMasterMind1 | not a problem, we should be using the newest X anyway |
| 15:26.00 | TheMasterMind1 | mallum says he's going to update it |
| 15:27.22 | jg | The bits we use now are sufficient, but as 4.3 is just about to release, it makes the best sense to update to it for consistency's sake. |
| 15:33.05 | mallum | I think 4.3 may be out tommorow |
| 15:36.09 | cmarqu_werk | It's already tagged in CVS. |
| 15:37.27 | mallum | cmarqu_werk: are they not rc releases ? |
| 15:39.35 | mallum | cmarqu_werk: aha it would appear not :-) |
| 15:40.56 | TheMasterMind1 | tommorow eh? |
| 15:40.57 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 15:41.32 | mallum | well it appears it exists in cvs now, tarballs later today/ tommorow |
| 16:09.30 | cmarqu_werk | BBL |
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| 17:02.41 | cmarqu | You don't need to be subscribed in order to post to the mailing list, right? |
| 17:04.14 | pb_ | right. |
| 17:05.41 | cmarqu | Okay, so I'll list gpe@handhelds.org on the flyer. |
| 17:10.52 | pb_ | Cool. |
| 17:23.12 | cmarqu | Hmm, gpe-nmf seems to produce little clicks all the time. |
| 17:23.42 | pb_ | Maybe an ALSA issue. |
| 17:24.35 | cmarqu | :/ |
| 17:24.45 | pb_ | I think the alsa drivers have had the buffering turned down to improve latency for Jamey's telephony work. But this means that the player application needs to be more careful about not letting the buffer underrun. |
| 17:25.08 | cmarqu | "walking-to-work-season" is starting soon, so I need a working gpe-nmf :) |
| 17:25.52 | pb_ | Heh :-) |
| 17:26.13 | pb_ | Yeah, I will try to do some more work on it soon. Honest. |
| 17:26.57 | cmarqu | pb_: Oh, BTW, I think the bootgpe images should provide matchbox-panel-hacks for the rotation dockapp. |
| 17:27.02 | cmarqu | pb_: Cool, thanks :) |
| 17:27.32 | pb_ | cmarqu: Okay. The easiest way to make that happen is for you to add it to the gpe-apps2 dependency list and build a new package. (You can do this on i386, since there is no code in that package.) |
| 17:28.45 | cmarqu | Okay. |
| 17:30.40 | cmarqu | make ipkg build 4 packaghes, I only need tio upload gpe-apps2, right? |
| 17:30.48 | cmarqu | builds |
| 17:32.10 | cmarqu | Uploaded. |
| 17:32.37 | cmarqu | Gotta go now, tty tomorrow. |
| 17:33.37 | moray | ah, there's now a gpdf being worked on - it would plausibly be easier to start from that for a PDF viewer than from plain xpdf |
| 17:34.13 | moray | (deb at http://www.burtonini.com/debian/experimental/) |
| 17:35.13 | pb_ | moray: Aha. Do you happen to know if it's still all written in C++? |
| 17:35.28 | pb_ | Or, rather, depends on libstdc++. I think that was the main stumbling block with xpdf. |
| 17:37.49 | moray | pb_: sent you the ldd in a query window |
| 17:37.51 | moray | (it's quite long...) |
| 17:37.54 | moray | it doesn't appear to from that though? |
| 17:38.00 | pb_ | crumbs |
| 17:38.20 | pb_ | moray: no, that would appear to be one of the few libraries that is not included :-) |
| 17:38.24 | pb_ | so, cool. |
| 17:38.29 | moray | oh, actually, the package dependency information lists libstdc++5 anyway... ? |
| 17:38.48 | moray | although maybe they figured it was easier just to list everything than work out what it needed ;) |
| 17:39.02 | mallum | moray: does gdpf not just wrap xpdf ? |
| 17:39.28 | moray | mallum: it's the same program, but I don't think it depends on an xpdf binary? |
| 17:39.54 | mallum | moray: doe sxpdf not come as a lib |
| 17:40.03 | moray | mallum: my point was only that if someone's done e.g. a working GTK2 interface we could in principle use that rather than duplicate work |
| 17:40.37 | mallum | moray: sure |
| 17:41.10 | mallum | moray: I was just pointing out the fact it could still be pretty big like xpdf with all its deps |
| 17:41.24 | moray | pb_: aha, the gnome-pdf-viewer binary (which presumably gets run at some point) is linked against libstdc++5 |
| 17:41.39 | pb_ | moray: Ah. |
| 17:41.46 | moray | mallum: indeed - but if people have space on their ipaqs (unlike me) it might be useful for them |
| 17:41.58 | moray | (although in principle I could run it off CF or something) |
| 17:42.13 | pb_ | moray: to be honest, libstdc++ is not actually all that outrageously huge anyway, it would just be nice to do without. |
| 17:43.15 | moray | pb_: well, I think soonish we'll need to make a distinction between 'core' GPE (basic PIM apps and things they depend on??) and the rest; non-core things could plausibly be allowed to have dependencies on less languages like C++ |
| 17:43.32 | pb_ | moray: agreed. |
| 17:43.53 | moray | pb_: people are going to need C++ libraries sooner or later I fear (e.g. for gpe-dasher, unless they mend their ways) |
| 17:44.56 | pb_ | ah, I didn't realise Dasher was C++. |
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| 18:13.47 | spung | i don't really understand what gpe-dasher is for |
| 18:14.13 | pb_ | spung: it's just an input method. |
| 18:14.28 | spung | pb_: it occupies the whole screen! |
| 18:14.50 | pb_ | spung: I think stargirl was re-engineering it as a toolbar window. |
| 18:14.59 | spung | cool |
| 18:18.37 | spung | damn |
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| 18:39.59 | dan_t | hello |
| 18:43.36 | PaxAnima | hi, dan_t |
| 18:43.47 | dan_t | hi PaxAnima |
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| 19:34.23 | pb_ | gack. |
| 19:40.09 | pb_ | moray: any word back from those who hold the keys to the room in Darwin? |
| 19:41.11 | moray | pb_: nope, although at this stage that could just mean 'they've noted it down and it's arranged' |
| 19:41.39 | pb_ | righto |
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| 19:53.13 | dc_ | :) |
| 19:53.19 | dc_ | friday tomorrow |
| 19:53.22 | dc_ | how fun |
| 19:53.27 | PaxAnima | heh ;) |
| 19:53.58 | pb_ | dc_: evening |
| 19:54.45 | dc_ | PaxAnima, pb_: evening :) |
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| 20:09.38 | florian | hi all! |
| 20:09.53 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 20:10.04 | dc_ | hey florian, nice scap |
| 20:10.55 | florian | dc_: which one? |
| 20:11.21 | dc_ | florian: the one with the color selection dialog ;] |
| 20:12.09 | florian | dc_: i tried gtk_color_selector... too large and way to slow |
| 20:16.30 | dc_ | florian: ah okay |
| 20:20.58 | pb_ | florian: btw, I uploaded a new gpe-bluetooth, seems to work a bit better. |
| 20:21.06 | pb_ | the /etc/bluetooth/hciattach script is included in the package now. |
| 20:21.52 | dc_ | yay... |
| 20:22.09 | dc_ | the satellite has just been ordered :D |
| 20:22.15 | dc_ | tehehe |
| 20:22.17 | pb_ | dc_: cool :-) |
| 20:22.19 | dc_ | 510k :} |
| 20:22.45 | dc_ | a second, what fun! |
| 20:22.55 | pb_ | indeed |
| 20:22.58 | dc_ | now I just hope they install it by next week durin half term! |
| 20:24.05 | pb_ | ibot, seen chri? |
| 20:24.06 | | chri <~chatzilla@217.222.76.194> was last seen on IRC in channel #familiar, 3d 3h 38m 27s ago, saying: 'anonimm: well the driver is ready but I have some problems installing'. |
| 20:28.51 | florian | how do i get my current X display and colormap? |
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| 20:36.25 | dc_ | hey jg |
| 20:37.37 | jg | dc_: hi |
| 20:42.51 | spung | pb_: had a chance to look at my patch? |
| 20:43.19 | pb_ | spung: which patch was that? |
| 20:43.35 | spung | Subject: preliminary libtododb patch |
| 20:43.36 | spung | Date: 27 Feb 2003 18:31:47 +0000 |
| 20:43.45 | pb_ | spung: haven't received that mail |
| 20:43.59 | spung | maybe pb@handhelds.org isn't working? |
| 20:44.08 | pb_ | maybe |
| 20:44.22 | pb_ | you could resend it to my nexus.co.uk address if you want |
| 20:44.51 | spung | or maybe my lame isp's mail server isn't working (more likely :) |
| 20:44.59 | spung | pb_: sent |
| 20:45.06 | pb_ | ok, cool |
| 20:47.02 | pb_ | spung: right, got it that time. |
| 20:47.49 | pb_ | looks ok to me, you wanna check it in? |
| 20:48.03 | spung | that was quick |
| 20:48.12 | spung | :D |
| 20:50.10 | spung | done |
| 20:50.40 | pb_ | cool |
| 21:02.09 | spung | cmarqu: are you familiar with this? http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?PclCvsTips |
| 21:02.13 | spung | it sounds useful |
| 21:02.19 | spung | but i can't get it to work |
| 21:02.34 | pb_ | spung: seems unlikely there is anything on emacswiki.org with which Colin is not familiar. |
| 21:02.40 | spung | heh |
| 21:07.07 | pb_ | dc_: right, the d-link dongle seems to work fine on the ibook. |
| 21:07.19 | pb_ | just needed to turn on bluetooth modules and insmod hci_usb. |
| 21:07.36 | spung | it seems that pcl-cvs creates a ChangeLog entry with the modified files and functions |
| 21:11.24 | jg | pb_: what, if anything, did you do about gtk 2.2's gdk_display_close() being broken in the multi-server case? |
| 21:11.44 | pb_ | jg: nothing. libdm never actually closes the connection to the display it is leaving. |
| 21:12.20 | jg | ok. just making sure there wasn't some patch that should go to owen lurking somewhere.... |
| 21:13.18 | jg | pb_: it's about time to get GTK and Xlib to "do the right things" in that area, so we can also be robust against connection failure.... |
| 21:14.03 | pb_ | jg: yes indeed. |
| 21:20.28 | dc_ | pb_: greal |
| 21:20.29 | dc_ | t |
| 21:20.49 | pb_ | dc_: I expect the anycom one should work just the same. |
| 21:20.54 | dc_ | right |
| 21:20.57 | dc_ | we'll see :) |
| 21:25.25 | spung | dc_: stupid expansys won't answer my mails... :((( i want wireless! |
| 21:25.41 | dc_ | spung: they not sending your stuff? |
| 21:25.59 | pb_ | spung: oh dear, sucks. |
| 21:26.01 | spung | dc_: they are awaiting bank transfer but won't tell me where to transfer |
| 21:26.15 | dc_ | spung: oh dear :[ |
| 21:26.40 | pb_ | spung: you should come to the GPE meeting next month and buy one while you are in this country. |
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| 21:26.48 | spung | not sure if i should make another order with a credit card or look somewhere else |
| 21:26.59 | spung | pb_: hah :) that'd be quite expensive ;) |
| 21:27.46 | spung | well, gotta go |
| 21:27.50 | spung | cya later |
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| 22:44.14 | florian | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.7806.png |
| 22:57.39 | pb_ | wow, very nice |
| 22:58.28 | pb_ | I'll have to join the en_GB translation team to take care of all those "color"s, though :-} |
| 23:02.27 | dc__ | florian: very nice... |
| 23:02.28 | dc__ | but. |
| 23:02.43 | dc__ | florian: might it be easier to see if they were seperate buttons |
| 23:02.49 | dc__ | one for color one for new color. |
| 23:05.12 | florian | dc__: i have another idea - calculate if a color is dark or not and set the label white or black according to this calculation |
| 23:06.28 | dc__ | hehe |
| 23:08.46 | dc__ | sleep |
| 23:08.48 | dc__ | for me |
| 23:09.00 | dc__ | night |
| 23:09.08 | dc__ | friday tomorrow, then half term :D |
| 23:11.45 | pb_ | florian: sounds like a good idea |
| 23:12.48 | florian | we'll see, i got a formula to calculate these values... i hope this is good |
| 23:16.22 | pb_ | I think mallum had a formula for converting an R/G/B tuple into a luminance value. |
| 23:16.29 | pb_ | you can probably find the code in matchbox somewhere. |
| 23:18.15 | pb_ | ah, I think it was this: |
| 23:18.22 | pb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:18.37 | pigeon | :\ |
| 23:18.46 | pb_ | hi pigeon |
| 23:18.53 | pigeon | pb->depth |
| 23:18.56 | pigeon | Nice :P |
| 23:19.07 | pigeon | gp_: :))) |
| 23:19.09 | pigeon | ... |
| 23:19.13 | pigeon | pb_: :))) |
| 23:19.25 | pb_ | heh |
| 23:19.34 | pb_ | I copied that code from mbpixbuf. |
| 23:22.06 | pigeon | Magic numbers heh... |
| 23:23.01 | pb_ | So it seems. |
| 23:23.32 | florian | my one looks similar... calculating looks good, but changing text color does nothing :-( |
| 23:23.40 | pb_ | ah. :-/ |
| 23:25.58 | florian | very strange, works for the whole button (GTK_RC_FG,GTK_RC_BG,GTK_RC_BASE) but changing GTK_RC_TEXT has no effect... |
| 23:27.41 | pb_ | strange indeed |
| 23:29.54 | florian | i think GtkButton doesn't use this values, i'll try to solve this with pango :-) |
| 23:30.14 | pb_ | You might have to set the values on the GtkLabel inside the button. |
| 23:30.42 | pb_ | i.e. GTK_BIN (button)->child |
| 23:31.19 | florian | hey, that could be true... |
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| 23:37.22 | florian | uhhh... not good, a buttons child seems to be no widget |
| 23:38.27 | pb_ | florian: that's weird |
| 23:39.06 | florian | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:39.46 | florian | for this, where "widget" is thhe button gtk_widget_modify_style (GTK_BIN(widget)->child, rc_style); |
| 23:40.06 | pb_ | hrm |
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| 23:41.36 | pb_ | hi paul |
| 23:41.45 | paul | hiya pb |
| 23:41.49 | paul | how are things |
| 23:42.07 | pb_ | yeah, not bad. |
| 23:42.27 | paul | saw some of the pcmcia config scripts were updated, fingers crossed that fixes my dhcp problem. (ie it doesnt) |
| 23:42.55 | paul | is it just me, or does latency on wireless absolutely suck? |
| 23:44.05 | paul | gpe-irc seems fixed. |
| 23:44.23 | pb_ | strange, I don't think gpe-irc has seen any changes recently. |
| 23:44.31 | paul | perhaps a library. |
| 23:44.36 | pb_ | yeah, could be. |
| 23:44.56 | paul | which libs were updated between yesterday evening and this evening? |
| 23:45.09 | pb_ | dunno, I'd have to check the feed. |
| 23:45.28 | paul | now.. lets see if i can join freenode / 2 servers at once. |
| 23:45.37 | pb_ | I don't think any "core" gpe libs were updated though. |
| 23:46.05 | paul | libdm was. |
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| 23:46.23 | paulj | hi from my ipaq :) |
| 23:46.50 | paul | god wireless is awful. |
| 23:46.54 | pb_ | yeah, libdm was, but that isn't really core. I don't think gpe-irc links with it. |
| 23:47.00 | paul | probably not. |
| 23:47.03 | pb_ | (though it should, I suppose) |
| 23:47.16 | pb_ | what kind of latencies are you seeing on your wireless? |
| 23:47.50 | paul | i couldnt really track of what got updated this evening. flew past too fast on the likkle rxvt screen and out of the history buffer. |
| 23:48.14 | paul | pb_: well, its not too bad in general, eg: |
| 23:48.34 | paulj | round-trip min/avg/max/mdev = 2.564/3.156/5.248/0.863 ms |
| 23:48.58 | paulj | however, there appear to be regular 'pauses'. |
| 23:49.02 | pb_ | ah. |
| 23:49.24 | paulj | which is annoying if you're ssh'ed across wireless, or running gpe-irc on your ipaq and displaying to your desktop. :) |
| 23:49.50 | paulj | just freezes for a second or two every now and then. |
| 23:50.03 | paulj | ah well. |
| 23:51.33 | paul | how do you bookmark pages in dillo? |
| 23:51.46 | paul | tap and hold doesnt bring up a menu. |
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| 23:52.28 | pb_ | I think you have to use xmonobut to generate a rightclick at present, which kind of sucks. |
| 23:54.05 | paul | hmm.. yep indeed. |
| 23:54.13 | paul | i dont like xmonobut though :) |
| 23:54.49 | pb_ | yeah, we should patch dillo to use some other scheme. |
| 23:55.44 | pb_ | you might like to file a complaint in bugzilla so it doesn't get forgotten. |
| 23:55.55 | paul | pb_: good idea. |
| 23:56.21 | paul | pb_: would it be possible to have something like like "tap tap-hold" generate a right click? |
| 23:56.53 | pb_ | libgpewidget has code to spot tap+hold and convert it into a synthetic rightclick. |
| 23:57.01 | pb_ | we could link the gpe build of dillo with that library, perhaps |
| 23:57.12 | paul | also, i seem to remember a conversation on one of these channels about ipaq's not generating 'pen up' events - how can software detect tap-hold so? |
| 23:57.26 | paul | pb_: aha.. that's an idea alright. |
| 23:57.56 | pb_ | I'm pretty sure you do get "pen up" events from the touchscreen. |
| 23:58.22 | pb_ | It doesn't support motion when the pen is up, which might be what you are thinking of. |
| 23:58.25 | paul | aha. that conversation must have been about some other hardware so. |
| 23:58.32 | pb_ | (ie you can't move the cursor without generating a click event) |
| 23:58.46 | paul | aha. |
