| 00:03.47 | mallum | -------------------------------------------------------> |
| 00:03.54 | dc_ | <----------------------------------------------------------- |
| 00:03.58 | mallum | <----------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 00:04.03 | dc_ | <-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 00:04.14 | dc_ | left is the way! |
| 00:04.14 | mallum | 4<><><><><><><><><>><><>><<> |
| 00:04.26 | dc_ | >< |
| 00:04.31 | mallum | s654109101112132 |
| 00:04.37 | dc_ | S |
| 00:04.44 | pigeon | ... |
| 00:04.47 | dc_ | .... |
| 00:05.14 | dc_ | pigeon: what an ugly duckling! |
| 00:05.35 | pigeon | ... |
| 00:05.44 | pigeon | :O |
| 00:06.02 | pigeon | Duckling? |
| 00:06.09 | pigeon | That one in bfm? |
| 00:06.13 | pigeon | :} |
| 00:06.19 | dc_ | :~ |
| 00:06.36 | mallum | mycat kills pigeons |
| 00:06.46 | dc_ | mallum: nice! |
| 00:06.51 | pigeon | mallum: I can kill both. ;) |
| 00:07.00 | dc_ | pigeon: even humans? |
| 00:07.08 | dc_ | pigeon: _and_ ugly ducklings? |
| 00:07.45 | dc_ | pigeon: or do you just do pigeon and cat hunting in the forest? |
| 00:07.50 | pigeon | So where is the ugly duckling? :) |
| 00:08.16 | dc_ | as I thought |
| 00:09.23 | pigeon | And if I kill cats, someone will kill me :} |
| 00:09.43 | dc_ | pigeon: that doesn't sound _too_ bad then |
| 00:09.55 | dc_ | pigeon: what is a pigeon to a cat ;] |
| 00:10.12 | pigeon | dc_: :) |
| 00:13.27 | mallum | pigeon: I seriously doubt you could kill my cat |
| 00:13.48 | mallum | pigeon: this thing chases alsations |
| 00:13.53 | mallum | pigeon: he's massive |
| 00:13.59 | mallum | pigeon: more of a panther than a cat |
| 00:14.51 | mallum | pigeon: he is like wolverine, a self healing ability combined with a titanium skeleton |
| 00:16.05 | dc_ | mallum: with paint that chips off |
| 00:16.17 | dc_ | tehehehee |
| 00:16.32 | dc_ | pb_: ! |
| 00:16.34 | dc_ | pb_: welcome |
| 00:16.38 | dc_ | pb_: fun night out? |
| 00:16.41 | pb_ | dc_: evening. |
| 00:16.46 | dc_ | pigeon: not while pb_ is here |
| 00:16.48 | pigeon | pb_: Yo! |
| 00:16.54 | pb_ | dc_: pub quiz :-} |
| 00:16.56 | pigeon | dc_: :( |
| 00:16.56 | dc_ | pigeon: indecient |
| 00:16.57 | pb_ | pigeon: yo |
| 00:17.08 | dc_ | pb_: hehehe, how....is fun the right word? |
| 00:17.11 | mallum | dc_: your ibook is like a barbie accesorry |
| 00:17.18 | dc_ | hahaha |
| 00:18.01 | dc_ | mallum: maybe they should start making little itsy witsy tinny ones for barbies! |
| 00:18.03 | mallum | pb_: and your ibook came free with a copy of 'bunty' |
| 00:18.19 | dc_ | pb_: wow? |
| 00:18.20 | pigeon | mallum: So cute! |
| 00:18.54 | dc_ | mallum: uhoh, pigeon's started calling you cute now. |
| 00:18.56 | dc_ | mallum: game over. |
| 00:19.03 | pigeon | Heh |
| 00:19.23 | pigeon | dc_: What's wrong with being cute and being called cute? |
| 00:19.35 | dc_ | pigeon: there's nothing wrong with that. |
| 00:19.56 | mallum | hmmm |
| 00:20.02 | dc_ | pigeon: but there is something wrong with calling mallum or his cat cute. |
| 00:20.24 | dc_ | mallum: I hope you're not offended by not being considered 'cute' =P |
| 00:20.29 | mallum | dc_: wheres that leeds picture of me ... |
| 00:20.36 | dc_ | pb_: so did you win anything at the quiz? |
| 00:20.41 | dc_ | mallum: that'll prove it all ;] |
| 00:20.44 | pigeon | :\ |
| 00:20.48 | pb_ | dc_: regrettably not. |
| 00:20.54 | dc_ | pb_: last time I attended one I won a jar of gerkins. |
| 00:21.02 | pigeon | dc_: But your ibook is cute. :} |
| 00:21.06 | pb_ | dc_: ah, sounds like you did better than us then. |
| 00:21.11 | dc_ | pigeon: hey, that also includes me. |
| 00:21.15 | pb_ | dc_: we did extremely badly on the sport round. |
| 00:21.16 | dc_ | pigeon: ;][ |
| 00:21.22 | mallum | dc_: the new tibooks are made of alluminium |
| 00:21.30 | dc_ | pb_: oh dear, I don't blame you. |
| 00:21.31 | mallum | dc_: but are still called tibooks |
| 00:21.36 | dc_ | mallum: as I heard. |
| 00:21.39 | dc_ | mallum: sillt. |
| 00:21.42 | dc_ | silly |
| 00:21.42 | mallum | dc_: but the paint apparently stays on |
| 00:21.44 | dc_ | alubook |
| 00:21.48 | dc_ | mallum: huray! |
| 00:22.12 | pigeon | dc_: Oh well. |
| 00:22.27 | dc_ | mallum: I suppose they didn't want heaps of people saying aluuuuuminum with an american accent in the apple labs. |
| 00:22.49 | dc_ | mallum: germans are the worst. |
| 00:23.04 | dc_ | mallum: never let a german near aluuuuminum or you'll never forget the day |
| 00:25.30 | mallum | matthew alluminum |
| 00:25.46 | dc_ | ! |
| 00:26.14 | dc_ | mallum: next time I see you it'll be your new nickname ;] |
| 00:27.28 | mallum | dc_: if I had a female child, Id call it inum |
| 00:27.43 | dc_ | hehe |
| 00:27.43 | mallum | dc_: then when the register at scholl was called out ... |
| 00:28.56 | dc_ | hehe |
| 00:29.00 | dc_ | good idea. |
| 00:29.24 | mallum | or allabama |
| 00:29.28 | mallum | so its allabama allum |
| 00:29.37 | dc_ | hah |
| 00:29.52 | dc_ | allum is a pretty cool last name |
| 00:30.14 | mallum | hmmm |
| 00:30.26 | mallum | Sids is van der vos |
| 00:30.30 | mallum | or of the fox |
| 00:30.38 | dc_ | hah |
| 00:30.39 | mallum | not for much longer though ehehehehe |
| 00:30.44 | dc_ | ;D |
| 00:30.58 | dc_ | mallum: who is it you actualy gonna have playing? |
| 00:31.05 | dc_ | mallum: at the event of course. |
| 00:33.02 | mallum | frank sanartra lookie likie |
| 00:33.08 | dc_ | wahay |
| 00:33.26 | dc_ | I get a kick...out'a you! |
| 00:33.57 | dc_ | mallum: that's pretty cool |
| 00:34.19 | mallum | dc_: yeah should be good |
| 00:34.27 | mallum | dc_: we have like a 9 piece band too |
| 00:34.37 | dc_ | whoah cool |
| 00:35.09 | mallum | dc_: did you see btw the way I commented up the blondie theme.xml ... |
| 00:35.42 | dc_ | mallum: oh great, I'll defently look at it this evening |
| 00:35.52 | dc_ | as in not now :} |
| 00:35.56 | dc_ | but in 12 hours. |
| 00:36.04 | mallum | ok cool, dont forget |
| 00:36.08 | dc_ | right! |
| 00:36.18 | mallum | dc_: all the theme stuff is in place now |
| 00:36.32 | mallum | dc_: and when I switch to bluebox all the icons change, its quite nice |
| 00:36.33 | dc_ | mallum: all sounds good |
| 00:36.41 | dc_ | :D |
| 00:36.46 | mallum | dc_: you should be able to overide the matchbox folders etc too now |
| 00:36.54 | dc_ | how? |
| 00:37.28 | mallum | dc_: make an image called mbfolder.png |
| 00:37.32 | mallum | mbnoapp.png |
| 00:37.49 | dc_ | ah great. |
| 00:37.57 | dc_ | make sure that goes in some doc ;] |
| 00:38.28 | mallum | dc_: yeah I'll write a theme howto soon |
| 00:38.33 | dc_ | coolio |
| 00:38.37 | mallum | dc_: the commenting in the theme.xml is the start ... |
| 00:38.57 | mallum | dc_: you have a usb cd-rom ? |
| 00:40.56 | dc_ | no :[ |
| 00:43.07 | dc_ | ya |
| 00:43.16 | dc_ | mallum: I crashed figmet :{ |
| 00:44.12 | mallum | dc_: it dont play very nice with gtk2.2 :( |
| 00:44.28 | dc_ | how sad. :\ |
| 00:47.50 | mallum | dc_: hopefully I'll fix it up soon |
| 00:48.19 | mallum | dc_: I have to get matchbox out of the way first |
| 00:49.21 | pb_ | cmarqu: ah, gtk_widget_set_default_direction does sound like the thing. I wonder how you determine the direction for the locale though. |
| 00:56.37 | pb_ | moray: thanks for posting that update on the mailing list :-) |
| 01:43.52 | paul | pb? |
| 01:45.39 | moray | [01:38:08] * pb_ zzz |
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| 02:22.46 | paul | moray: sure i'll catch him tomorrow. |
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| 02:30.34 | paul | hmm.. is current CVS libgpewidget broken? |
| 02:30.41 | paul | translabel.c: In function `filter': |
| 02:30.41 | paul | translabel.c:46: `GdkDisplay' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 02:30.41 | paul | translabel.c:46: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once |
| 02:30.41 | paul | translabel.c:46: for each function it appears in.) |
| 02:30.41 | paul | translabel.c:46: `gdisplay' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 02:30.42 | paul | translabel.c:46: warning: statement with no effect |
| 02:30.44 | paul | translabel.c:47: parse error before `atom' |
| 02:30.46 | paul | etc... |
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| 09:07.18 | mibus | hi |
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| 10:24.52 | pb_ | hi gang |
| 10:29.32 | ade|lite | morning |
| 10:34.54 | paul | pb_: got a bit done last night on actually making the lagnuage drop-down in gpe-login do something useful. |
| 10:35.51 | pb_ | ah, excellent. |
| 10:37.30 | paul | just have to test it :) |
| 10:37.54 | paul | oh, and make it save the selected locale to a file in users home dir. |
| 10:39.08 | pb_ | right |
| 10:39.26 | paul | cant get libgpewidget in cvs to build though. |
| 10:41.04 | pb_ | ah, what goes wrong? |
| 10:44.00 | paul | it doesnt to find gtk headers. |
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| 10:49.01 | florian | hi all! |
| 10:49.04 | paul | hi |
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| 10:51.53 | florian | brb |
| 10:58.29 | pb_ | ibot, seen andersee? |
| 10:58.29 | | andersee <~andersen@codepoet.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #uclibc, 6h 30m 16s ago, saying: 'mjn3: which one now?'. |
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| 11:18.51 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 11:31.33 | cmarqu_werk | Hi. |
| 11:31.50 | cmarqu_werk | pb_: Did you get my note about the direction switching? |
| 11:35.20 | pb_ | cmarqu_werk: I saw your mention of gtk_widget_set_default_direction. Was that the one? |
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| 11:48.49 | mallum | heylo |
| 11:54.12 | PaxAnima | helo, mallum |
| 11:56.04 | mallum | I fixed gnome panels in matchbox :-) |
| 11:56.18 | mallum | you can drag them around and all sorts now |
| 11:56.45 | PaxAnima | gnome panels? |
| 11:57.44 | mallum | the panels in gnome2 |
| 11:58.17 | PaxAnima | ah |
| 12:00.25 | mallum | oooh -> http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/3135.html |
| 12:00.41 | paul | hmm.. is there any kind of applet to allow one to switch off/suspend/resume/eject pcmcia cards? |
| 12:01.06 | mallum | paul: not that I know of |
| 12:01.19 | mallum | paul: it'd be pretty easy to write one though |
| 12:01.28 | paul | yep |
| 12:02.39 | mallum | paul: just inspect the source in the matchbox src/util directory |
| 12:02.54 | paul | for ?? |
| 12:02.55 | mallum | paul: minitime there is heavily commented and under a zlib style license |
| 12:03.07 | mallum | paul: for examples of how to write a panel app |
| 12:03.16 | paul | ah... yes. mini* apps is what i was already looking at. |
| 12:03.22 | mallum | paul: cool |
| 12:03.35 | mallum | paul: from cvs ? |
| 12:03.42 | paul | i was thinking a minicpu app - cloned from minivol - to scale cpu speed. |
| 12:03.51 | mallum | ah cool |
| 12:04.09 | paul | maybe get ipaq-sleep to adjust cpu speed automatically |
| 12:05.48 | paul | cardctl type applet might be a bit more difficult though. (least in UI terms). |
| 12:06.23 | cmarqu_werk | pb_: Yes, gtk_widget_set_default_direction() is what I meant. |
| 12:07.11 | pb_ | cmarqu_werk: Do you know how you determine the direction, given a locale name? |
| 12:08.09 | cmarqu_werk | pb_: Hmm, no. Sven said though that the translator for GTK into a certain language determines the default direction. Dunno if that info helps... |
| 12:08.46 | cmarqu_werk | I wonder if gmd has code to do that? |
| 12:08.52 | cmarqu_werk | gdm I mean |
| 12:08.59 | mallum | paul: you could just use an mbmenu - see dock/panel_menu.c for an example, or write the dockapp in gtk |
| 12:10.19 | cmarqu_werk | mallum, paul: wouldt it make sense to have an applet that allows the user set different things, so as to prevent a proliferation of dock apps? |
| 12:10.57 | pb_ | cmarqu_werk: like a mini gpe-conf you mean? |
| 12:11.08 | cmarqu_werk | My dock is already crowded without these new dock apps... |
| 12:11.20 | cmarqu_werk | pb_: Kind of, yes. |
| 12:11.23 | paul | cmarqu_werk: makes sense yes :) |
| 12:11.32 | paul | mallum: will look at it |
| 12:11.35 | paul | mallum: ta |
| 12:12.44 | paul | cmarqu_werk: maybe a little menu to set different profiles? eg "power" -> scales down cpu speed, suspends cards, turn off usb, etc.. "cradle" -> cpu to max, turn on cards, turn on usb, etc.. ? |
| 12:13.11 | cmarqu_werk | Or maybe it is not *that* important that e.g. the CPU scaling is a dock app, but is better implemented as a gpe-conf module. |
| 12:13.20 | mallum | cmarqu_werk: I think the theme config is best kept in a 'proper' window |
| 12:13.33 | cmarqu_werk | paul: Ah, that sounds like a good idea. |
| 12:13.39 | mallum | cmarqu_werk: is not something you normally want quick access too |
| 12:13.50 | paul | mallum: i'd agree. |
| 12:14.16 | mallum | anyway we need to build some proper themes :-) |
| 12:14.28 | paul | cmarqu_werk: how much difference to power consumption does cpu scaling make? |
| 12:14.32 | cmarqu_werk | mallum: Yes. Why is it available as a dock app at all? |
| 12:15.02 | pb_ | paul: yah, seems like a good idea. The machine knows when it is on AC power, so you could have it switch automatically to high-speed mode when docked. |
| 12:15.11 | cmarqu_werk | paul: Hmm, someone was measuring power consumption, something liek 2 years ago though... |
| 12:15.25 | pb_ | paul: there are some numbers in the xscale datasheet. |
| 12:15.36 | paul | also what is the overhead/cost of changing cpu speed? eg if its cheap, you could have a little daemon to poll cpu usage every 5s and scale speed. if its expensive (eg OS overhead) it doesnt make sense. |
| 12:16.01 | pb_ | paul: the CPU+SDRAM combo is probably the largest single consumer of power on h3900. On older ipaqs, the backlight is the worst, and cpu+ram is second. |
| 12:16.07 | paul | pb_: if it makes a noticeable difference, and doesnt have much overhead (OS or hardware) it might be worth doing. |
| 12:16.21 | pb_ | paul: changing speed is quite an expensive process, so you don't want to do it too often. |
| 12:16.25 | paul | ok. |
| 12:17.10 | paul | so a user controlled slider is probably wiser than a daemon doing it automatically (though ipaq-sleep could lower speed when ipaq is idle) |
| 12:17.18 | cmarqu_werk | Well, 5 secs is an eternity in terms of cycles though, not? |
| 12:17.22 | pb_ | paul: until and unless we have a proper OS framework for applications to declare their bandwidth requirements, it is probably best not to try to do too much of that automatically. Having ipaq-sleep slowly ramp down the speed if the machine is idle for say a minute is probably ok, but I don't think you would want to be switching up and down every couple of seconds. |
| 12:17.33 | paul | k |
| 12:18.32 | pb_ | cmarqu_werk: I think it can take many milliseconds to do a full speed change. |
| 12:18.53 | paul | teleport is /so/ cool... kudos pb :) |
| 12:19.12 | pb_ | paul: :-) |
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| 12:22.11 | mallum | it would be cool to build on it with some simple api so apps could have a 'teleport to' menu option, which would then in a sub menu list valid displays to teleport to |
| 12:24.10 | mallum | and of course for teleport itslef to have a dropdown list of valid clients, rather than the xkill style way now of selecting a client to migrate |
| 12:24.47 | pb_ | yes, the current user interface is fairly poor. |
| 12:25.44 | mallum | pb_: but it works :-) |
| 12:26.21 | pb_ | actually, I should make a new version of libdm. The current one has a couple of bugettes, including at least one security problem. |
| 12:26.49 | cmarqu_werk | Could teleported apps teleport itself back without having the need of another teleport application on the remote display? |
| 12:27.09 | pb_ | cmarqu_werk: Possibly. I'm not sure exactly how to present that in interface terms. |
| 12:27.29 | cmarqu_werk | "bugettes" is a nice word :) |
| 12:27.31 | mallum | cmarqu_werk: that would be an advantage of having the a teleport option in the apps menu bar whatever |
| 12:27.33 | pb_ | cmarqu_werk: I would prefer not to have to put teleporting into the UI for every individual application. |
| 12:27.49 | mallum | cmarqu_werk: there could be a teleport -> return home option :-) |
| 12:27.52 | cmarqu_werk | mallum: Yes, if that can be done... |
| 12:28.23 | cmarqu_werk | Plus some way to say "teleport all child windows as well" if wanted. |
| 12:28.25 | mallum | cmarqu_werk: no reason it couldn't I dont think |
| 12:28.49 | mallum | cmarqu_werk: well I think by defualt it should probably teleport all windows in its group |
| 12:29.06 | pb_ | yeah, probably. |
| 12:30.06 | pb_ | I wonder which end that would be best implemented at. |
| 12:33.00 | mallum | theres so many possibilitys of things that can be done with it |
| 12:33.16 | cmarqu_werk | "[11:37] <paul> oh, and make it save the selected locale to a file in users home dir." -- shouldn't that be an XSETTING? |
| 12:33.48 | cmarqu_werk | And maybe the user doesn't allow to write in the home dir when he is not logged in? |
| 12:34.13 | paul | cmarqu_werk: yes, for the session. |
| 12:34.21 | pb_ | cmarqu_werk: gpe-login doesn't have any way to manipulate XSETTINGS. I think it would probably just write the file out during the login process, ie after you have entered the password. |
| 12:34.21 | mallum | cmarqu_werk: XSettings are not per user, anyone connected to the display can change an XSetting for everybody else on that display |
| 12:34.53 | cmarqu_werk | pb_: Ah, yes, of course, that would work. |
| 12:35.26 | pb_ | cmarqu_werk: Plus of course it would set the _GPE_LOCALE property, which would persist into the session, so applications could look at that. |
| 12:35.55 | cmarqu_werk | paul: The saved value could be the default offer for the next log in of that user. |
| 12:36.00 | pb_ | (and, one assumes, set $LANG in the environment for the benefit of non _GPE-LOCALE aware programs._ |
| 12:36.08 | pb_ | cmarqu_werk: Yes, that would be good. |
| 12:36.13 | cmarqu_werk | Yeah. |
| 12:36.42 | cmarqu_werk | And if only one locale is available, it should make the selector insensitive. |
| 12:37.10 | paul | cmarqu_werk: yes, for the /session/ probably (pb pointed me at some app, gpe-locale - but i cant find it in CVS, unless its a spec. but i've to look at this still). However, need to save to file if you want gpe-login to 'remember' which locale user used last time. also, as for writing, gpe-loging setuid's to the user before execing their xsession, so the write can be done just before that. |
| 12:37.27 | cmarqu_werk | paul: gpe-setlocale |
| 12:37.34 | paul | aha |
| 12:38.04 | cmarqu_werk | Yeah, all that could work pretty convenient for the user. |
| 12:39.32 | paul | anyway, i'll hack some more on gpe-login tonight. (i've got the nast stuff, parsing a locale.alias file done, and in theory i have the building of the drop-down menu done) |
| 12:40.30 | PaxAnima | cmarqu_werk: agree on having a dock app for quick configuration... change the rotation, turn IR on/off etc |
| 12:40.41 | paul | pb_: closing teleport produces a lot of: (teleport:1068): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: file /home/pb/glib-2.1.5/gobject/gobject.c: line 471 (g_object_run_dispose): assertion `object->ref_count > 0' failed |
| 12:40.41 | paul | (teleport:1068): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: file /home/pb/glib-2.1.5/gobject/gobject.c: line 1316 (g_object_unref): assertion `object->ref_count > 0' failed |
| 12:40.57 | paul | fyi |
| 12:41.29 | paul | right.. off to work. |
| 12:41.32 | paul | bfn |
| 13:22.43 | pb_ | cmarqu_werk: I just looked at the xscale datasheet to find out what the actual timing is for CPU frequency change. It seems to be a bit coy about exactly how long the PLL takes to lock when changing frequencies, but judging from the wake-from-sleep timings it looks like about 10ms. |
| 13:23.59 | pb_ | On the other hand, switching the xscale in and out of turbo mode seems to be more or less instantaneous, so that might be a reasonable thing to do on a regular basis. |
| 13:25.19 | cmarqu_werk | pb_: Hmm, yeah, this is quite long then. |
| 13:27.30 | pb_ | Yeah. There's also been a suggestion that the LCD should really be disabled during frequency change, to avoid driving potentially damaging waveforms into it. Right now we don't do that and I have never heard of anybody actually coming to grief, but it is something to think about. |
| 13:27.30 | cmarqu_werk | I somehow forgot that there has to be a PLL involved. |
| 13:30.11 | cmarqu_werk | Hmm. I thought I heard that wince uses clock scaling, and they don't switch off the LCD either. |
| 13:31.53 | pb_ | That's true. |
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| 14:16.26 | pb_ | Hm, maybe we should add a link to the bootgpe2.jffs2 images on http://gpe.handhelds.org/download.shtml. |
| 14:21.31 | pb_ | BTW, I did some investigation into having some GPE merchandise (coffee mugs and so on) made. But, it turns out that the current GPE logo is not very amenable to printing because of the number of colours that would be required. |
| 14:48.01 | cmarqu_werk | Yeah, we should maybe get an easier logo. |
| 14:48.36 | cmarqu_werk | I like the style of http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs_logo.png for instance. |
| 14:49.17 | cmarqu_werk | A simple logo like that could be recognizable even on an 16x16 icon. |
| 14:49.19 | pb_ | Yes, that's the kind of thing I had in mind too. |
| 14:50.08 | pb_ | Four colours is about the maximum that can be easily printed, and two would be better. |
| 14:50.15 | cmarqu_werk | Maybe the "g" in the circle would be good already. Just define some "corporate identity" colors. |
| 14:50.51 | pb_ | Yes, good idea. |
| 14:50.55 | pb_ | Maybe I should post to the list about this. |
| 14:51.00 | cmarqu_werk | It would be cool if I could add a simple logo on the flyers, a logo that would print well even on black and white. |
| 14:51.10 | pb_ | Right. |
| 14:52.54 | cmarqu_werk | Yes, please ask on the list, I would only be able to do it in a few hours. |
| 14:57.48 | cmarqu_werk | Ah, I'll also ask the art.gnome.org guy. |
| 14:58.03 | pb_ | Good idea. |
| 14:58.06 | pb_ | I'm writing to the list now. |
| 15:01.18 | cmarqu_werk | Hmm, he just left. Later then... |
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| 15:21.44 | florian | hi |
| 15:23.20 | cmarqu_werk | Hi florian |
| 15:27.39 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 15:28.36 | florian | i hate color selectors :-/ |
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| 16:20.49 | cmarqu_werk | BBL |
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| 16:41.07 | mallum | jg: hey |
| 16:44.13 | mallum | jg: XFree is releasde all under the MIT license right ? |
| 16:46.03 | Hallski | doesn't X have it's own license? |
| 16:46.33 | Hallski | which is based on MIT? |
| 16:46.48 | Hallski | http://www.xfree86.org/legal/licence.html |
| 16:57.24 | mallum | oh shit |
| 16:58.02 | mallum | oh no thats ok |
| 16:58.18 | mallum | involved in stupid flame war on stupid lug list |
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| 16:59.35 | florian | hello! |
| 16:59.40 | mallum | hey florian |
| 17:00.14 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 17:02.14 | mallum | new pda site from osnews -> http://www.newmobilecomputing.com/ |
| 17:04.24 | cmarqu | Hmm, which font is that "g" in the GPE logo from? |
| 17:05.07 | pb_ | cmarqu: I think the xcf source is in cvs, you might be able to find out from that. |
| 17:05.40 | cmarqu | pb_: I guess it got rendered to bitmap already, but yeah, I'll take a look. |
| 17:06.10 | pb_ | oh, yeah, I guess it probably did. |
| 17:06.28 | cmarqu | Or I could mail Owen. |
| 17:06.30 | pb_ | in that case your only hope is to ask Owen :-) |
| 17:06.48 | pb_ | or, possibly, scan the mailing list archives from the distant past in case it was mentioned at the time. |
| 17:06.57 | cmarqu | Yes, Wanted to try that first. |
| 17:08.20 | mallum | cmarqu: what does 'tag' mean in german ? |
| 17:08.28 | cmarqu | mallum: day |
| 17:08.51 | mallum | cmarqu: as in guttentag means good day ? right |
| 17:09.01 | cmarqu | "Guten Tag", yes. |
| 17:09.42 | mallum | ok |
| 17:09.50 | mallum | thats my lesson for today over |
| 17:10.38 | spung | sprechen sie deutsch? |
| 17:10.45 | spung | du hast du hast |
| 17:10.51 | cmarqu | :) |
| 17:11.36 | mallum | das ist extreme ik comma ik comma |
| 17:11.54 | mallum | some german I picked up for 'video's' I've maybe seen in the past |
| 17:12.21 | cmarqu | Scary. |
| 17:12.32 | mallum | sorry |
| 17:12.38 | cmarqu | :) |
| 17:15.34 | pb_ | doh |
| 17:15.38 | pb_ | shall I remove that page? |
| 17:16.03 | cmarqu | Guess so, or put a redirect in place. |
| 17:16.15 | pb_ | okay. How do I do a redirect? |
| 17:16.22 | cmarqu | Uhm... |
| 17:16.30 | cmarqu | Dunno. |
| 17:16.56 | pb_ | Okay. I'll try to find out. |
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| 17:18.47 | florian | is there a cross toolchain x86-sparc somebody is aware of? |
| 17:22.04 | pb_ | cmarqu: Okay, done, I think |
| 17:22.44 | pb_ | ("Redirect /projects/GPE http://gpe.handhelds.org" seems to be the magic incantation) |
| 17:22.45 | cmarqu | I also found http://www.grape.org.uk/ :) |
| 17:23.25 | pb_ | Ha, yes. |
| 17:23.31 | spung | hah |
| 17:23.33 | spung | :) |
| 17:25.03 | spung | cmarqu: owen should get rid of that and get a gpe.org |
| 17:26.53 | moray | actually, we probably ought to buy gpe.org before someone else does |
| 17:27.10 | pb_ | moray: too late! |
| 17:27.13 | moray | really? |
| 17:27.15 | pb_ | moray: though gpe.org.uk is still available. |
| 17:27.25 | cmarqu | GPE products have been used in award winning construction projects. |
| 17:27.27 | cmarqu | Shown below is the Sunshine Skyway Bridge opened in 1987. |
| 17:27.29 | cmarqu | :) |
| 17:27.43 | moray | pb_: oh, after spung said that I did a whois and it said 'no match' |
| 17:27.50 | pb_ | moray: ah, that's very interesting. it doesn't show in the whois database, but there is definitely a www.gpe.org website. |
| 17:27.56 | spung | GPE, inc. |
| 17:28.01 | spung | huh oh |
| 17:28.29 | spung | This site is best viewed with MS Internet Explorer v.4.0 or above in 800x600 mode or above. |
| 17:28.32 | spung | HUH OH |
| 17:28.42 | pb_ | gpe.com is "FOR SALE!" according to the website. |
| 17:29.02 | pb_ | and gpe.net is "God, Prajna and Enlightenment". |
| 17:29.11 | pb_ | so, now we know. |
| 17:29.35 | mallum | what about 'greathandheldsenviroment.org' or whatever nelson came up with |
| 17:29.52 | cmarqu | gpe.org |
| 17:29.52 | cmarqu | Registration Service Provided By: Domain Registry of America |
| 17:29.52 | cmarqu | Contact: support@droa.com |
| 17:29.52 | cmarqu | Visit: http://www.droa.com |
| 17:29.52 | cmarqu | Domain name: gpe.org |
| 17:29.55 | cmarqu | Registrant Info: |
| 17:29.57 | pb_ | even gpe.de already exists, so we can't compete with Opie on their home turf. |
| 17:29.57 | cmarqu | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:30.00 | cmarqu | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:30.03 | cmarqu | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:30.05 | cmarqu | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:30.08 | cmarqu | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:30.10 | cmarqu | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:30.19 | moray | pb_: well, some random company owning gpe.org is fine really; it would only be a problem if Opie got it or something ;) |
| 17:30.23 | cmarqu | Registered through: Jun 21 2007 00:00:00 |
| 17:30.38 | moray | pb_: hopefully people don't try to guess domains these days anyway |
| 17:30.45 | pb_ | moray: indeed. |
| 17:31.38 | cmarqu | Well, opie.de is also not belonging to OPIE. |
| 17:31.49 | pb_ | oh, does it not? |
| 17:31.55 | cmarqu | But that guy there links to them. |
| 17:32.17 | pb_ | Oh yes. |
| 17:32.29 | pb_ | ah, of course, opie.info is the German site. |
| 17:32.46 | spung | silly TLD |
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| 17:36.09 | cmarqu | Ah, Owen pictures at http://www.zoot.org.uk/gallery/ |
| 17:36.25 | jg | mallum: pretty much: there are some funny cases in things like fonts.... |
| 17:37.17 | cmarqu | pb_: BTW, you didn't sign my GPG key yet, did you? |
| 17:37.43 | mallum | jg: some guy from trolltech said X was less free than qtopia *sigh* |
| 17:37.45 | pb_ | cmarqu: hm, I thought I did. I might have just uploaded it to the keyserver though. |
| 17:39.06 | cmarqu | gpg --list-sigs 5359F413 |grep -i blundell gives me nothing, and I refreshed my key just recently. |
| 17:39.23 | pb_ | okay, I must have imagined it. |
| 17:39.28 | pb_ | I'll try again when I get home. |
| 17:39.37 | cmarqu | Cool. |
| 17:41.54 | jg | mallum: lie... |
| 17:42.15 | jg | mallum: unless you take RMS's definition of "free"... |
| 17:46.14 | cmarqu | http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/articles.php?action=expand,5971&sid=cfa7b2e93334d31f5bc0114a320a25e2 has some interesting animated GIFs |
| 17:46.22 | spung | cmarqu: zoot? naughty zoot? |
| 17:46.28 | cmarqu | spung: Yep :) |
| 17:48.32 | mallum | jg: yep compared to http://www.trolltech.com/products/qtopia/licensing.html?cid=6, I know what Id rather go with ... |
| 17:49.51 | jg | mallum: yup. The biggest issue I have with Qt is that it is GPL, not LGPL. |
| 17:50.36 | jg | mallum: It is why I'm involved in Gnome rather than KDE (not having time to be involved in both...). |
| 17:52.28 | mallum | jg: yes definetly |
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| 17:56.30 | pb_ | hi paul |
| 17:56.35 | _paulj | hiya pb |
| 17:56.52 | mallum | hmm, why are there never enough plug sockets in the world |
| 17:56.55 | _paulj | my MMC card arrived today (nod and wink) |
| 17:57.32 | pb_ | heh |
| 17:58.10 | _paulj | :) |
| 17:59.46 | pb_ | cmarqu: by the way, did you guys resolve this business of packaging the Vera fonts and adding them to the appropriate font paths? |
| 18:00.02 | cmarqu | pb_: Not the second part, no. |
| 18:00.37 | pb_ | cmarqu: ah, righto. |
| 18:01.54 | jg | cmarqu: if you want to drop a script into the right place of that package, now's the time. I haven't got the ipkg up yet on gnome.org.... Of course, RMS is flaming us about having the beta test fonts at all; sigh.... |
| 18:02.20 | cmarqu | I don't know what the script would do... |
| 18:02.23 | pb_ | cmarqu: some investigation on my desktop suggests that you get that cryptic X error if the server doesn't like an element in your font path (e.g. fonts.dir missing) |
| 18:02.33 | cmarqu | Ah. |
| 18:02.37 | cmarqu | Let me check. |
| 18:03.08 | jg | cmarqu: add a xset fp+ to add the right directory to the core server font path.... |
| 18:04.04 | cmarqu | jg: That's the problem. |
| 18:04.10 | cmarqu | root@tiny:~# xset fp+ /usr/share/fonts/Bitstream/Vera/ |
| 18:04.10 | cmarqu | X Error of failed request: 86 |
| 18:04.10 | cmarqu | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.10 | cmarqu | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.10 | cmarqu | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.49 | pb_ | cmarqu: what's the contents of /usr/share/fonts/Bitstream/Vera? |
| 18:05.06 | cmarqu | root@tiny:~# ls -l /usr/share/fonts/Bitstream/Vera/fonts.* |
| 18:05.07 | cmarqu | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 44447 Feb 24 11:37 /usr/share/fonts/Bitstream/Vera/fonts.alias |
| 18:05.09 | cmarqu | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5605 Feb 24 11:37 /usr/share/fonts/Bitstream/Vera/fonts.cache-1 |
| 18:05.12 | cmarqu | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3391 Feb 24 11:37 /usr/share/fonts/Bitstream/Vera/fonts.dir |
| 18:05.15 | cmarqu | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3391 Feb 24 11:37 /usr/share/fonts/Bitstream/Vera/fonts.scale |
| 18:05.23 | cmarqu | (plus the font files of course) |
| 18:05.35 | cmarqu | root@tiny:~# more /usr/share/fonts/Bitstream/Vera/fonts.dir |
| 18:05.36 | cmarqu | 40 |
| 18:05.36 | cmarqu | tt2012gn.ttf -Bitstream-Bitstream Vera Sans Mono-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-15 |
| 18:05.38 | cmarqu | tt2012gn.ttf -Bitstream-Bitstream Vera Sans Mono-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-9 |
| 18:05.41 | cmarqu | tt2012gn.ttf -Bitstream-Bitstream Vera Sans Mono-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso10646-1 |
| 18:05.45 | cmarqu | [etc.] |
| 18:05.53 | pb_ | well, one might hope that would be good enough. |
| 18:06.24 | jg | cmarqu: dunno why that is failing.... |
| 18:07.00 | cmarqu | Hmm diff fonts.scale fonts.dir gives nothing, is that okay? |
| 18:08.16 | cmarqu | root@tiny:/usr/share/fonts/Bitstream/Vera# more /usr/share/fonts/Bitstream/Vera/fonts.alias |
| 18:08.20 | cmarqu | "-Bitstream-Bitstream Vera Serif-bold-i-normal--6-60-75-75-p-0-iso8859-15" "-Bitstream-Bitstream Vera Sans Mono-bold-i-normal--6-60-0-0-p-0-iso8859-15" |
| 18:08.23 | cmarqu | "-Bitstream-Bitstream Vera Serif-bold-i-normal--7-70-75-75-p-0-iso8859-15" "-Bitstream-Bitstream Vera Sans Mono-bold-i-normal--7-70-0-0-p-0-iso8859-15" |
| 18:08.26 | cmarqu | [etc.] |
| 18:08.37 | jg | I'm confused... (my usual state...). |
| 18:09.08 | mallum | The font path doesn't have to be rw by the user by any chance ? |
| 18:09.16 | jg | mallum: don't think so. |
| 18:10.00 | pb_ | cmarqu: if you mail me your fonts.* files I'll have a go with them when I get home. |
| 18:10.09 | cmarqu | pb_: Okay. |
| 18:11.08 | mallum | cmarqu: have you tried the xset on on your desktop X ? |
| 18:11.13 | jg | pb_, cmarqu: same thing happens for /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts |
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| 18:11.26 | dc_ | wahay |
| 18:11.26 | cmarqu | mallum: No, not yet. |
| 18:11.26 | pb_ | dc_: yo |
| 18:11.26 | mallum | hey dc_ |
| 18:11.26 | dc_ | no more coursework for a month. |
| 18:11.30 | cmarqu | Hi dc_ |
| 18:11.32 | pb_ | dc_: rock! |
| 18:11.34 | dc_ | and half term starts on friday :} |
| 18:11.36 | dc_ | thank god.. |
| 18:11.41 | mallum | dc_: cool :-) |
| 18:11.43 | jg | dc_: happy hacking time :-) |
| 18:11.43 | dc_ | :} |
| 18:11.48 | dc_ | jg: you bet :D |
| 18:11.53 | jg | dc_: after you get some sleep :-) |
| 18:12.01 | dc_ | jg: even more true. |
| 18:13.11 | cmarqu | mallum: Works on the desktop. |
| 18:13.34 | moray | cmarqu: the permissions are reasonable on the ipaq? |
| 18:13.36 | cmarqu | Ooops. |
| 18:13.52 | cmarqu | It seems I can append the to fontpath. |
| 18:14.03 | cmarqu | xset +fp /usr/share/fonts/Bitstream/Vera/ works. |
| 18:14.11 | cmarqu | Just not xset fp+ |
| 18:14.40 | cmarqu | moray: xset +fp working seems to suggest that. |
| 18:15.00 | moray | yes |
| 18:16.25 | cmarqu | Okay, I got the order wrong, it seems I can prepend, not append. |
| 18:18.15 | pb_ | cmarqu: Ah. Well, I guess that'd be good enough. |
| 18:18.34 | cmarqu | But... |
| 18:18.35 | cmarqu | root@tiny:/usr/share/fonts/Bitstream/Vera# xset fp= /usr/share/fonts/Bitstream/Vera/ |
| 18:18.38 | cmarqu | root@tiny:/usr/share/fonts/Bitstream/Vera# rxvt -fn mono-6 |
| 18:18.41 | cmarqu | rxvt: can't load font "mono-6" |
| 18:18.43 | cmarqu | rxvt: can't load font "fixed" |
| 18:18.44 | cmarqu | This is the non-aa rxvt. |
| 18:18.46 | cmarqu | rxvt: aborting |
| 18:19.14 | pb_ | Oh. Curses. |
| 18:19.18 | pb_ | Does xlsfonts show the fonts? |
| 18:20.46 | pb_ | cmarqu: you can run it on the desktop with --display ipaq:0 or whatever |
| 18:21.10 | cmarqu | root@tiny:~# xlsfonts |
| 18:21.10 | cmarqu | -bitstream-bitstream vera sans mono-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso10646-1 |
| 18:21.10 | cmarqu | -bitstream-bitstream vera sans mono-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-1 |
| 18:21.14 | cmarqu | [etc.] |
| 18:21.17 | cmarqu | aliases wrong? |
| 18:21.23 | pb_ | Guess that must be it. |
| 18:21.33 | mallum | jg: when the fonts are freely distibutable, do you want them still in the 'own' directory ? |
| 18:21.50 | mallum | cmarqu: does it work if you pass the full name of the font to rxvt ? |
| 18:22.30 | cmarqu | root@tiny:~# rxvt -fn "-bitstream-bitstream vera sans mono-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-1" |
| 18:22.33 | cmarqu | X Error of failed request: BadName (named color or font does not exist) |
| 18:22.34 | cmarqu | Argh. |
| 18:22.36 | cmarqu | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:22.39 | cmarqu | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:22.41 | cmarqu | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.12 | mallum | cmarqu: do you have xfontsel installed ? |
| 18:23.35 | cmarqu | mallum: not on the ipaq |
| 18:24.12 | mallum | cmarqu: connect its display to the ipaq and see if that works |
| 18:26.31 | cmarqu | Argh, can't connect there. What's up there... |
| 18:28.25 | mallum | cmarqu: xhost + on the ipaq |
| 18:28.30 | cmarqu | Did that. |
| 18:37.41 | mallum | cmarqu: still no joy ? |
| 18:37.52 | cmarqu | mallum: No, but I was on the phone. |
| 18:38.27 | cmarqu | I guess I'll send the files to p, I really should work on that GPE flyer if I want to get it done for the weekend. |
| 18:38.38 | cmarqu | to pb_ that is |
| 18:39.53 | mallum | cmarqu: ok, does rxvt on your desktop work with them ? |
| 18:40.27 | cmarqu | No. |
| 18:40.42 | cmarqu | Same error. |
| 18:40.45 | mallum | xfontsel ? |
| 18:41.41 | cmarqu | xfontsel fails on the desktop. Hmm. |
| 18:42.02 | cmarqu | $ xfontsel |
| 18:42.02 | cmarqu | X Error of failed request: BadName (named color or font does not exist) |
| 18:42.02 | cmarqu | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:42.02 | cmarqu | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:42.02 | cmarqu | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.17 | mallum | hmm strait away ? |
| 18:44.32 | cmarqu | Yes. |
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| 18:59.27 | jg | mallum: probably. |
| 19:00.26 | jg | mallum: dropping all fonts into one directory seems like a lose to me. |
| 19:00.51 | nelson | jg: of course RMS is flaming you for having the beta test fonts. He's going to flame you for requiring that the fonts not be sold stand-alone. |
| 19:01.11 | nelson | jg: he's going to flame you for *any* restrictions on freedom, except for the ones He approves, of course. |
| 19:01.17 | jg | nelson: no, he already flamed us for that: this is for the beta test license.... |
| 19:03.59 | mallum | jg: are you going to request the proposed debian maintainer puts them in a unique directory ? |
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| 19:11.42 | paul | bfn |
| 19:13.29 | pb_ | cmarqu: any further progress on the Vera thing while I was away? |
| 19:14.00 | cmarqu | pb_: No, I sent you mail though. |
| 19:14.31 | pb_ | cmarqu: Yes, I received that, just wanted to check that the problem wasn't already resolved. |
| 19:14.56 | cmarqu | pb_: Well, xlsfonts gives me an X error on my desktop even, so I cannot cross-check. |
| 19:15.22 | spung | cmarqu: the draft flyer sounds cool |
| 19:15.31 | pb_ | cmarqu: okay |
| 19:16.00 | spung | cmarqu: what kind of artwork will you put in it? |
| 19:16.06 | cmarqu | spung: None. |
| 19:16.27 | spung | right |
| 19:16.41 | cmarqu | *Maybe* a simplified GPE logo. |
| 19:17.33 | pb_ | cmarqu: btw, bash doesn't like your postinst much. |
| 19:17.40 | pb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.45 | cmarqu | Oh. |
| 19:17.46 | spung | cmarqu: you could make a flyer that looks like an ipaq with figment displaying the stuff you wrote in your draft :D |
| 19:17.56 | spung | just a silly idea |
| 19:18.19 | cmarqu | The return should be "exit" then maybe. |
| 19:18.26 | pb_ | Yeah, I think so. |
| 19:21.12 | cmarqu | Mail from Owen: |
| 19:21.14 | cmarqu | You should note however that as i understand it you would need copyright |
| 19:21.14 | cmarqu | permission to distribute a native vector representation of the glyph |
| 19:21.33 | cmarqu | (the font is MS Trebuchet) |
| 19:21.45 | pb_ | cmarqu: Well, I installed on my desktop, and rxvt -fn "-bitstream-bitstream vera sans mono-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-15" seems to work OK there, after xset +fp /usr/share/fonts/Bitstream/Vera. So I guess that's something. |
| 19:21.54 | pb_ | Now let me try on the ipaq. |
| 19:25.25 | spung | pb_: scap it :D |
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| 19:27.05 | jg | mallum: yes; I actually have a .deb from him; haven't tried to unpack it and look at it.... |
| 19:27.38 | jg | nelson: yes, his definition of "freedom" isn' t one I subscribe to... |
| 19:29.26 | pb_ | cmarqu: well, I get different behaviour to you. On my ipaq, "xset +fp", "xset fp+" and "xset fp=" all fail in the same way, with the X Error. |
| 19:29.55 | cmarqu | Oh. Very interesting. |
| 19:32.02 | mallum | jg: cool, I agree it makes sense and is nicer to put fonts in there own directorys ( which is fine for fontconfig ), but if they are to be the servers 'core' fonts for us, Im not so sure it makes sense to rely on xset in X init.d scripts to get the fonts loaded. I think we should just hardcode the location into the x startup script/config ( as its set on Big X anyway ) |
| 19:32.19 | pb_ | cmarqu: stracing the xserver reveals that it is indeed opening /usr/share/fonts/Bitstream/Vera/fonts.dir and reading from it, but I guess it doesn't like what it finds. |
| 19:33.44 | cmarqu | Uh. |
| 19:34.11 | cmarqu | ttmkfdir -o fonts.scale |
| 19:34.18 | cmarqu | mkfontdir |
| 19:34.23 | cmarqu | ../$(PACKAGE)/mkfontalias.py |
| 19:34.33 | cmarqu | This is what I'm doing to get the files. |
| 19:34.45 | mallum | cmarqu: iirc you have to pass an option to ttmkfontdir or something ( reverse its entries ? ) to get it to work ok |
| 19:34.47 | pb_ | Okay. I tried rerunning mkfontdir on the ipaq; didn't help. |
| 19:35.01 | pb_ | Is ttmkfdir in any package? |
| 19:35.17 | mallum | pb_: must be I have it |
| 19:35.20 | cmarqu | ttmkfdir on Debian. |
| 19:35.40 | pb_ | mallum: can you do ipkg search and tell me which package? |
| 19:35.55 | mallum | pb_: not on ipaq, I meant desktop |
| 19:36.03 | pb_ | ah, ok |
| 19:36.08 | mallum | sorry |
| 19:36.09 | pb_ | I'll get the binary from debian then |
| 19:37.15 | pb_ | darn, it wants libttf2 |
| 19:38.12 | jg | mallum: font sets should be swappable... And we'd like the font caches, .dir and aliases files to not have to be regenerated anytime you touch things... So by doing xset fp+ we can allow font sets to get added and configured without having to stand on our heads, IMHO. |
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| 19:38.43 | dan_t | hello |
| 19:38.46 | pb_ | hi dan_t |
| 19:39.58 | dan_t | there is any news ? |
| 19:40.47 | pb_ | cmarqu: okay, I reran ttmkfdir also, that didn't help either. It doesn't seem to have any options that would make a difference. |
| 19:40.55 | cmarqu | :/ |
| 19:43.18 | dan_t | i have installed vera fonts what other fonts packages now i can remove ? |
| 19:43.25 | pb_ | dan_t: all of them |
| 19:43.27 | mallum | jg: sure, ok then Im convinced. I'll stop pestering you now |
| 19:43.57 | dan_t | also xfonts-75dpi xfonts-base xfonts-ttf ?? |
| 19:44.02 | pb_ | dan_t: yes |
| 19:46.36 | dan_t | pb_: thanks |
| 19:46.50 | cmarqu | Wow. GNU hello is Length: 389,363 |
| 19:46.59 | pb_ | cmarqu: Crikey. |
| 19:49.12 | jg | mallum: now if we can just figure out why xset fp+ is failing.... I'm confused, and will check with keithp. |
| 19:53.06 | mallum | jg: good idea |
| 20:04.14 | nelson | jb: RMS's definition of "software freedom" works VERY well if the software itself is what is being freed. We will need it, in fact, once software becomes sentient. |
| 20:04.55 | nelson | jg: (I meant jg, not jb) |
| 20:05.25 | nelson | cmarqu: I think GNU hello is an attempt to do every possible thing correctly. |
| 20:05.36 | nelson | cmarqu: either that, or else it's sarcasm. |
| 20:05.48 | cmarqu | nelson: Yes, that's why I'm looking at it. |
| 20:06.04 | cmarqu | It has a builtin mailreader :) |
| 20:06.31 | nelson | cmarqu: every program eventually gains the ability to send email :) |
| 20:07.02 | cmarqu | That's probably why they put it in, just to prove that jwz is right. |
| 20:07.31 | pb_ | Now, if only one of the GPE programs would gain the ability to send mail... |
| 20:07.51 | cmarqu | Okay, *sending* mail is for a future version of GNU hello. |
| 20:08.24 | cmarqu | pb_: gpe-edit could just pipe its text to 'mail'. |
| 20:08.27 | cmarqu | :) |
| 20:08.52 | pb_ | Heh. |
| 20:15.26 | cmarqu | pb_: So, I just have to send the l |
| 20:15.48 | cmarqu | URL of the tarball to the translation project, they will find the pot file in it, right? |
| 20:16.06 | pb_ | cmarqu: Right. |
| 20:16.15 | cmarqu | Good. |
| 20:16.20 | pb_ | cmarqu: That part of thing seems to be done manually, not by the robot. |
| 20:16.28 | cmarqu | Ah. |
| 20:16.54 | pb_ | Certainly, the first time you submit a POT file for any given package. It might be automated after that; I'm not sure. |
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| 20:44.16 | mallum | pb_: do you know anything about the sarge debian boot cd's |
| 20:44.34 | pb_ | mallum: as in d-i? not much. |
| 20:44.34 | mallum | pb_: I think they have the new installer on them, though Im not sure if it works or not |
| 20:44.38 | mallum | pb_: yeah |
| 20:44.47 | pb_ | mallum: I believe it is working at least a bit now. |
| 20:47.48 | mallum | pb_: yeah I think its still on a 2.2 kernel though |
| 20:47.56 | mallum | pb_: and my keyboard is usb :( |
| 20:48.07 | pb_ | I thought it was 2.4 by now. |
| 20:48.16 | pb_ | You could ask the dudes in #debian-boot, though. |
| 20:48.23 | pb_ | or, well, just try it and see what happens. |
| 20:48.50 | mallum | pb_: yeah I tried it, boots fine, but then I lose the keyboard |
| 20:48.59 | pb_ | ah |
| 20:51.01 | mallum | cant scroll back to see kernel verson :(, have joined debian-boot |
| 20:54.06 | pb_ | I guess you could use the woody b-fs and then upgrade. |
| 20:54.57 | mallum | yeah, just people.debian.org is so slow to d/l from |
| 20:55.14 | pb_ | can't you use the ones from the regular archive? |
| 20:56.07 | mallum | pb_: I dont think there are netinst ones there ? |
| 20:56.16 | pb_ | oh, maybe not. |
| 20:56.36 | pb_ | can you not make a netinst image from the normal kernel and ramdisk? |
| 20:56.46 | pb_ | I don't really have much of a clue how netinst works on i386. |
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| 21:15.33 | mallum | new matchbox uploaded ipkg install http://www.handhelds.org/~mallum/downloadables/experimental/matchbox_0.5pre.20030226-1_arm.ipk |
| 21:16.13 | mallum | I think I've fixed all the dock problems in that one, cleaned up bluecurve theme alittle, fixed icons in gorilla theme |
| 21:16.59 | mallum | Urg, I spoke to soon :( |
| 21:18.37 | mallum | well miniapm and minisys seem better - just minitime |
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| 21:31.44 | pb_ | What's the status with matchbox 0.4, are we going to be seeing any more releases on that branch in the near future? |
| 21:39.16 | mallum | pb_: no probably not |
| 21:40.26 | pb_ | ok |
| 21:40.44 | moray | hello people - dev weekend status update: best option so far is a room in Darwin where we can link up by tunnelling over the wireless network (or possibly there's a network point in there if we're lucky, I haven't been able to ascertain that) |
| 21:41.17 | pb_ | moray: great! |
| 21:42.06 | mallum | pb_: 0.5 has an entirely new theme engine - It went better than expected, so I'll probably just miss out 0.4 altogeather. so much has changed since 0.3 it kind of merits it anyway |
| 21:42.43 | pb_ | right, I see. |
| 21:42.47 | pb_ | is there an ETA for a stable 0.5? |
| 21:45.03 | moray | pb_: the relevant secretary person would like to know when we'd want the room, and how many people would be involved |
| 21:45.15 | moray | can we think about a schedule or something maybe? |
| 21:45.24 | pb_ | moray: sure, I will try to draw one up this evening. |
| 21:45.58 | pb_ | moray: current best guess is 10-15 people. Probably want the room all of Saturday and Sunday. |
| 21:46.10 | moray | indeed |
| 21:46.26 | cmarqu | Whoa, so many people? |
| 21:46.38 | cmarqu | This is cool. |
| 21:47.02 | moray | though I'd suggest we 'plan in' spending e.g. Saturday evening in part eating/socialising; it's probably easier to do late night coding elsewhere than in the conference room (in terms of getting it booked in) |
| 21:47.22 | moray | (the room's normally kept locked up) |
| 21:47.40 | jg | mallum: I checked with keithp, and also verified you are including freetype (shared) as part of Xipaq. In Keith's inimitable fashion, he says: "Something's busted". I'm not quite set up to the point of building X. Care to take a crack at why xset fp+ is failing? Might be educational.... |
| 21:48.25 | moray | pb_: perhaps we should have a Wiki schedule / information page at this point? |
| 21:48.53 | moray | (if you can cope with the wiki ui when you want to put information in) |
| 21:49.02 | pb_ | cmarqu: Well, these estimates are a bit fuzzy. But, roughly speaking, we have you, Nils, Florian, Moray, myself, Matthew, Damien, maybe the three guys from CRL on Sunday, maybe Paul J., maybe other people from Cambridge. |
| 21:49.08 | mallum | jg: I wouldn't know where to start .... |
| 21:49.18 | jg | mallum: as I said, educational... |
| 21:49.33 | cmarqu | pb_: Indeed. Nice. |
| 21:49.39 | mallum | jg: hehe |
| 21:50.01 | jg | mallum: You start by setting a breakpoint in the dispatcher at the font path request setting handling, and watch what it does.... |
| 21:50.11 | mallum | jg: can you not twist keithp's arm a little ? |
| 21:50.28 | moray | pb_: Alan Cox was asking if we wanted to put a note about it on www.linux.org.uk btw |
| 21:50.33 | jg | he's further away from being set up to debug on an iPAQ than I am this instant... |
| 21:50.55 | mallum | jg: surely its not an ipaq only thing though ? |
| 21:50.58 | pb_ | moray: that might be good, yes. |
| 21:51.06 | jg | mallum: probably generic to TinyX... |
| 21:52.29 | mallum | cmarqu: have you checked to see if it works when you hardcode the path if the X Startup ? ( at least we'll know if its just an xset +fp issue ) |
| 21:52.36 | jg | mallum: note this happens if you try to add the Luxi fonts to the path; it isn't vera specific.... |
| 21:52.57 | mallum | jg: ok |
| 21:53.05 | cmarqu | mallum: No, I haven't checked anything else |
| 21:53.55 | jg | mallum: in the new world, where are the server's arguments stored? |
| 21:56.28 | mallum | jg: same place as they used to be |
| 21:56.37 | jg | mallum: which was? |
| 21:56.39 | mallum | jg: but gpe has its own somewhere I think |
| 21:57.12 | mallum | /etc/X11/XServer ? |
| 21:57.15 | cmarqu | Plaese take a look at http://handhelds.org/~cmarqu/gpe-flyer.pdf |
| 21:57.45 | jg | mallum: that's it... |
| 21:58.13 | pb_ | moray: I'll create a wiki page shortly. |
| 21:58.28 | moray | pb_: http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/GPEDevWeekend |
| 21:58.34 | pb_ | moray: aha |
| 21:58.39 | nelson | moray: devweekend? What devweekend? |
| 21:58.46 | moray | (just a placeholder for now) |
| 21:58.54 | pb_ | nelson: the GPE dev weekend, of course |
| 21:59.07 | moray | nelson: not been reading the GPE mailing list lately? |
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| 21:59.35 | nelson | sigh. my time is limited. I can't be EVERYwhere doing EVERYthing. |
| 21:59.46 | moray | indeed |
| 22:00.18 | nelson | Ahhh, I see. Day after my birthday. When the CRL folks will be there. Excellent idea! |
| 22:00.31 | moray | (in fact I've only been keeping up with the GPE list out of all the handhelds.org ones recently, due to lack of time) |
| 22:00.55 | nelson | are you guys going to have an audio feed? |
| 22:02.25 | jg | mallum: from the command line, it says: Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/ttf, removing from list. So something stinks in denmark... I'll have to look into it tomorrow: I have to go to the train. |
| 22:02.28 | pb_ | Not sure. We will do our best. |
| 22:05.24 | pb_ | cmarqu: your flyer looks good to me. |
| 22:05.49 | pb_ | did you establish that "X Window System" actually was a trademark, btw? |
| 22:05.51 | paul | pb_: that xkbd spawn problem is still there: |
| 22:06.03 | paul | - rotate to landscape |
| 22:06.08 | pb_ | paul: hmm |
| 22:06.09 | paul | - allow screensaver to kick in |
| 22:06.11 | cmarqu | pb_: Ah, no, need to check, but I think I have seen it. |
| 22:06.24 | paul | - it will spawn xkbd with width appropriate for landscape |
| 22:06.30 | paul | - rotate back to portrait |
| 22:06.38 | paul | - allow screensaver to kick in. |
| 22:06.39 | pb_ | cmarqu: I had a quick look on www.x.org and couldn't see any evidence to that effect, but of course that is not definitive. |
| 22:06.40 | moray | the X man page doesn't appear to make a point about it being a trademark, FWIW |
| 22:06.50 | moray | although it does say it is at the bottom, I mean |
| 22:06.52 | pb_ | should have thought of that before jg left. |
| 22:06.58 | mallum | I think X COnsortium is the thing they dont like mentioned |
| 22:07.05 | paul | - xkbd spawned with width used for landscape |
| 22:07.28 | pb_ | paul: okay, I'll have a look. sounds very strange. |
| 22:07.38 | paul | it does doesnt it :) |
| 22:08.06 | pb_ | though, the whole screensaver/locker mess could use rewriting anyway, and this would just go away then, so I am not inclined to worry about it too much. |
| 22:08.14 | pb_ | just waiting for a stable D-BUS really. |
| 22:08.26 | cmarqu | "Open Group, UNIX and X Window System are trademarks of The Open Group" -- xfree86.org |
| 22:08.28 | pb_ | cmarqu: Aha. |
| 22:08.36 | mallum | DBUS! DBUS! DBUS! |
| 22:09.20 | dc___ | DBUS :D |
| 22:09.30 | pb_ | dc___: welcome back. |
| 22:09.41 | moray | cmarqu: although they don't seem to bother putting a TM after every mention? |
| 22:09.52 | dc___ | I return with a yet again totaly rearranged room :] |
| 22:09.59 | pb_ | congratulations. |
| 22:10.12 | dc___ | :} |
| 22:10.15 | cmarqu | moray: Yeah. Not sure. Maybe better safe than sorry though? |
| 22:10.29 | mallum | dc___: I uploaded a new matchbox, check scrollback for details |
| 22:10.54 | pigeon | :O |
| 22:17.39 | dc___ | mallum: right! |
| 22:21.02 | dc___ | cmarqu: no logo for those flyers ;] |
| 22:23.41 | cmarqu | dc___: I'm putting a very small one there. |
| 22:23.56 | dc___ | cmarqu: exactly my thought ;) next to the GPE title |
| 22:24.17 | cmarqu | Yep :) |
| 22:25.03 | dc___ | I guess it should actualy be just be cassified under developer docs. |
| 22:28.14 | *** topic/#gpe by moray -> GPE Palmtop Environment | http://gpe.handhelds.org | http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/CurrentThingsToDo | http://europa.debian.org/bugzilla | bootgpe2 images now in http://handhelds.org/~pb/unstable/ (latest recommended is pb9) | Familiar 0.7 issues: http://www.handhelds.org/bugzilla/showdependencytree.cgi?id=99 | Please every body hammer matchbox, reporting bugs to bugzilla | http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/GPEDevWeekend |
| 22:36.41 | cmarqu | dc___: I guess I have to make the log *really* small. I have 2 times the headline font, but it looks a but strange. I now make it the same height. |
| 22:45.39 | moray | cmarqu: shouldn't you be typesetting this in Bitstream Vera Sans, anyway? ;) |
| 22:47.21 | cmarqu | moray: Vera runs rather wide, and I would have to make it available to TeX, but I have no time left for that |
| 22:47.43 | moray | ah yes, I'd rather not think about how you persuade LaTeX to use that ;) |
| 22:48.29 | cmarqu | I used vfinst in the olden days, but I have lost routine now... |
| 22:49.30 | cmarqu | IMO, the Bembo I used (or rather, a Bitstream version of it) looks much nicer than the plain CM fonts that the OpenBSD guys used in their flyer at FOSDEM |
| 22:51.26 | moray | I'm not really a fan of Computer Modern anywhere |
| 22:51.54 | moray | reminds me too much of old (nineteenth/early twentieth) school textbooks probably |
| 22:52.03 | cmarqu | Yeah. Not because it isn't a nice font, but it *screams* TeX. |
| 22:52.39 | cmarqu | And it is not designed for printers under 2400dpi anyway. |
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| 22:55.51 | jsmanrique | hi |
| 22:55.53 | pb_ | hi jsmanrique |
| 22:56.24 | jsmanrique | I've just sent my idea for GPE logo.. an agressive bone head from a «titi» :-) |
| 22:57.32 | jsmanrique | pb_: if Gnome has its Gorilla, we could have our «Callicebus Moloch», also known as Dusty Titi Monkey |
| 22:57.34 | cmarqu | jsmanrique: http://handhelds.org/~cmarqu/gpe-flyer.pdf |
| 22:58.16 | jsmanrique | cmarqu: nice |
| 22:58.30 | dc___ | hrm |
| 22:58.39 | dc___ | I cat's paw would be really cool ;) |
| 22:59.27 | jsmanrique | maybe (almost sure), I will give a little speak about GPE in our regional Linux congress, so this info is very good |
| 22:59.59 | jsmanrique | and regional Sharp SL5500 provider will attend the conferences :-) |
| 23:00.07 | cmarqu | jsmanrique: Feel free to translate it to spanish. I'll give out the source tomorow |
| 23:00.41 | jsmanrique | cmarqu: great |
| 23:00.46 | jsmanrique | cmarqu: I will do it |
| 23:01.10 | jsmanrique | cmarqu: send it to jsmanrique@asturlinux.org |
| 23:01.26 | jsmanrique | cmarqu: or to my email for gpe list |
| 23:01.37 | jsmanrique | cmarqu: jsmanrique_lopez@yahoo.es |
| 23:01.44 | cmarqu | jsmanrique: Let me wait till tomorrow, maybe people will find "bugs". |
| 23:02.00 | jsmanrique | cmarqu: :-))) |
| 23:02.08 | cmarqu | jsmanrique: I'll put it into GPE CVS then. |
| 23:02.30 | jsmanrique | cmarqu: I like the "g" logo.. always looking for "g" point :-)) |
| 23:02.38 | cmarqu | :) |
| 23:03.16 | jsmanrique | cmarqu: best pleasures always come in small quantities (or whatever it is well said) |
| 23:05.21 | dc___ | hmmm |
| 23:05.31 | dc___ | a bolt just fell from the underside of my desk.. |
| 23:05.59 | pb_ | oh dear. |
| 23:06.25 | jsmanrique | I hope returning to "normal" life soon, and having my PC repaired.. and maybe a new screen.. so I hope joining to GPE cvs soon, at least for some translations or similar.. |
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| 23:07.14 | pb_ | jsmanrique: that'd be good. Our translations are now handled by the Translation Project, so you should probably contact the Spanish team and volunteer your services there. |
| 23:07.25 | cmarqu | jsmanrique: We do translation via the Translatio Project now: http://www2.iro.umontreal.ca/~pinard/po/registry.cgi?team=es |
| 23:08.23 | jsmanrique | pb_: of course, I've met some of them in November during national linux congress.. and all felt in love with GPE :-) |
| 23:08.50 | jsmanrique | who will be in the CeBit |
| 23:08.53 | jsmanrique | who will be in the CeBit? |
| 23:08.55 | dc__ | pb_: I think I may just be ambitious and start writing a general libgpewidget doc. |
| 23:09.18 | cmarqu | dc__: check out doxygen or something like that |
| 23:10.21 | cmarqu | dc__: or, the gphoto guys have some cool stuff for docs, for instance (and I know the people well :) |
| 23:11.12 | pb_ | dc__: that'd be cool. |
| 23:11.29 | pb_ | dc__: there are already some rough notes on the libgpewidget web page. |
| 23:11.47 | pb_ | jsmanrique: ah, great. |
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| 23:13.24 | pb_ | jsmanrique: I might try and go to CeBIT for one day, depends how busy I am at the time. |
| 23:14.46 | jsmanrique | pb_: I've understood that someone from GPE team will be at CeBit, is that true? |
| 23:14.56 | pb_ | jsmanrique: I think some of the German guys were planning to attend. |
| 23:15.08 | cmarqu | nils is staffing a booth (with himself :) |
| 23:15.10 | cmarqu | <li><a href="http://handhelds.org/~pb/unstable/">bootgpe2 images</a> |
| 23:15.10 | cmarqu | (marked unstable, but work quite well)</li> |
| 23:15.17 | cmarqu | pb_: Is that okay? |
| 23:15.25 | paul | gpe-irc seems to be broken |
| 23:15.28 | pb_ | cmarqu: sure |
| 23:15.43 | paul | (i was going to show off and log in via wireless from my ipaq...) |
| 23:15.53 | pb_ | paul: oh dear, what's wrong with it? |
| 23:15.57 | cmarqu | nils will be there for 3 days I think, when they have a Linux special at CeBit |
| 23:16.01 | paul | segfaults |
| 23:16.16 | pb_ | paul: complain to dc_ :-} |
| 23:16.20 | paul | hehe |
| 23:20.24 | moray | pb_: I won't be going to bed for some time yet, but it would be good if we had rough times we'd like to ask for the conference room tonight so I can email back about it |
| 23:20.52 | pb_ | moray: 10am-7pm on both days? |
| 23:21.08 | moray | pb_: ok, sure, I'll reply and see what response I get I suppose :) |
| 23:21.19 | paul | gpe-mail doesnt appear to be calling emailsync correctly - the emailsync terminal just finishes with "error occured!". if i run emailsync from terminal with appropriate args it works fine. |
| 23:21.45 | pb_ | moray: righto :-) |
| 23:24.33 | florian | good night |
| 23:25.21 | cmarqu | florian: Night |
| 23:35.32 | mallum | hmm, no keyboard for tabletpc detected :( |
| 23:35.45 | mallum | Looks like I'll have to pull the harddrive out |
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| 23:42.09 | jsmanrique | mallum: have you got a tabletpc? |
| 23:42.28 | cmarqu | Night guys. |
| 23:42.32 | pb_ | cmarqu: night |
| 23:42.36 | jsmanrique | mallum: despite the fujitsu I mean :-) |
| 23:43.48 | jsmanrique | mallum: have you got a tabletpc? |
| 23:44.16 | jsmanrique | is there anyone porting GPE to TabletPC like HP T1100? |
| 23:44.39 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:44.55 | TheMasterMind1 | send the openembedded developers one |
| 23:45.04 | TheMasterMind1 | and we can get OE on there with X and gpe |
| 23:45.58 | jsmanrique | maybe gnome2.2 or xfce4 could suit too.. |
| 23:46.12 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, probably a better option |
| 23:46.18 | TheMasterMind1 | as long as you have X on it |
| 23:46.25 | TheMasterMind1 | it shouldn't be a problem |
| 23:46.40 | jsmanrique | but I've read: <mallum> hmm, no keyboard for tabletpc detected :( |
| 23:47.00 | TheMasterMind1 | ah i see |
| 23:47.07 | jsmanrique | TheMasterMind1: where is openembedded? |
| 23:47.09 | mallum | jsmanrique: I gonna try and get gnome working nice on it. adapt metacity etc |
| 23:47.18 | TheMasterMind1 | jsmanrique: #openembedded |
| 23:47.43 | jsmanrique | mallum: where? |
| 23:47.55 | mallum | jsmanrique: where ? |
| 23:48.28 | jsmanrique | mallum: in which hardware? a tabletpc? which one? |
| 23:48.45 | mallum | jsmanrique: oh the new hp one |
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| 23:49.01 | jsmanrique | mallum: maybe gnome is too big.. you could try xcfe4.. |
| 23:49.09 | jsmanrique | mallum: very light and gtk2.2 based |
| 23:49.25 | mallum | jsmanrique: gnome is not too big at all |
| 23:49.43 | mallum | jsmanrique: it has a 30gig drive and twice the cpu speed of my laptop ... |
| 23:49.59 | jsmanrique | mallum: ah yes |
| 23:50.38 | mallum | jsmanrique: I have it booting a kernel fine, and everything seems to get detected except the keyboard ! |
| 23:51.07 | mallum | jsmanrique: so I cant progress much more with the install :( |
| 23:51.29 | mallum | jsmanrique: I guess I'll have to wript the drive out and install with another machine |
| 23:51.33 | jsmanrique | mallum: have you tried knoppix? :-))) It detects everything :-) |
| 23:51.45 | jsmanrique | mallum: what about xkbd? |
| 23:51.49 | mallum | jsmanrique: yeah maybe I'll download knoppix tommrow |
| 23:52.31 | mallum | jsmanrique: I only have the text mode installer ... xkbd aint much good for that |
| 23:52.38 | jsmanrique | mallum: it seems that you have earned a good amount of money :-) |
| 23:52.51 | jsmanrique | mallum: this TabletPC is not cheap |
| 23:52.55 | jsmanrique | mallum: I love it |
| 23:52.59 | mallum | jsmanrique: maybe .... |
| 23:53.28 | mallum | jsmanrique: I had to spend some of my companys money so I bought new toys |
| 23:53.28 | jsmanrique | mallum: I've tried it sometime ago, and first thing I said was: maybe gnome2.2 would be better for this :-) |
| 23:53.47 | mallum | jsmanrique: XP has some nice stuff on it, the note app is really cool |
| 23:53.51 | jsmanrique | mallum: hey, great |
| 23:53.54 | mallum | jsmanrique: but mainly its annoying |
| 23:53.58 | jsmanrique | mallum: yes, it is |
| 23:54.47 | jsmanrique | mallum: where are you working now? |
| 23:55.16 | jsmanrique | mallum: about xfce4, I think you would like taking a look on it |
| 23:55.20 | jsmanrique | mallum: http://members.home.nl/jbhuijsmans/xfce4-cvs.html |
| 23:55.32 | mallum | jsmanrique: just from home, on bits and pieces |
| 23:55.47 | mallum | jsmanrique: yes I know xfce4 |
| 23:55.57 | mallum | jsmanrique: its nice |
| 23:56.12 | jsmanrique | mallum: ok |
| 23:56.27 | jsmanrique | mallum: at home? have you created your own company? |
| 23:56.43 | mallum | jsmanrique: well my company is me |
| 23:57.02 | jsmanrique | mallum: :-)) |
| 23:57.25 | jsmanrique | mallum: wow! |
| 23:57.40 | jsmanrique | mallum: which toys have you bought for your company? |
| 23:58.26 | mallum | jsmanrique: a few bits and pieces ;-) |
| 23:58.50 | jsmanrique | mallum: sorry, my english is too poor, bits? |
| 23:59.01 | mallum | jsmanrique: a thing |
| 23:59.41 | jsmanrique | mallum: ok, I couldn't understand that you have bought a "bit" (0 or 1) |
| 23:59.52 | jsmanrique | :-) |
