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| 00:26.55 | pb_ | hmm |
| 00:27.06 | pb_ | ===================== |
| 00:27.08 | pb_ | 11 of 12 tests failed |
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| 00:27.12 | pb_ | make[2]: *** [check-TESTS] Error 1 |
| 00:29.35 | cmarqu | Damn. HIGifying is not easy. The HIG says that text should be top-aligned with the icon. Now, if the icon has lots of transparent padding around it, it just looks ugly. |
| 00:30.05 | pb_ | Ah, hm. This is in message dialogs? |
| 00:30.07 | dc_ | I guess this silence means we're all working hard :D |
| 00:30.35 | pb_ | dc_: so it would appear. |
| 00:30.45 | mallum | dc_: do you have them modified bluecorve icons ? |
| 00:31.04 | cmarqu | pb_: In what they call "alerts". The type that has no title and doesn't show up in the window list. |
| 00:31.33 | pb_ | cmarqu: Right, yeah, that's what I was thinking of. I guess I'm not au fait with the terminology. |
| 00:31.38 | dc_ | mallum: which 'modified' ones did you have in mind? |
| 00:32.09 | cmarqu | Of course, *their* example icons (the questioning sign) don't have much padding. |
| 00:32.18 | cmarqu | :) |
| 00:32.21 | pb_ | Ha. |
| 00:32.24 | dc_ | hrm, I think I may have to...shock horror....use email to contact Mr. Penington! |
| 00:32.43 | moray | btw, apparently the 'bluecurve' name is a trademark of red hat - I'm not sure if this is a problem, but we should perhaps be aware of it before calling things that ourselves |
| 00:32.54 | cmarqu | dc_: Just be sure to not make fun of his name. |
| 00:33.05 | pb_ | cmarqu: Top tip there. |
| 00:33.28 | dc_ | cmarqu: ;} |
| 00:33.34 | dc_ | I'll make sure I do. |
| 00:34.39 | dc_ | moray: be strong! |
| 00:36.46 | mallum | dc_: the ones you had at fosdem |
| 00:37.15 | mallum | moray: the non redhat name for them is 'wonderland' |
| 00:37.42 | dc_ | mallum: they hadn't been modified. |
| 00:38.01 | mallum | dc_: did you rename them, or edit the .desktop files ? |
| 00:38.19 | dc_ | mallum: I just overwrode the old names on the desktop. |
| 00:38.28 | dc_ | mallum: or do you mean the mime types? |
| 00:39.17 | mallum | dc_: you edited the .desktop files for the apps ? |
| 00:39.27 | dc_ | mallum: no |
| 00:39.35 | mallum | dc_: cool :-) |
| 00:39.42 | dc_ | mallum: I just renamed the pixmaps and overwrode the old ones |
| 00:39.48 | mallum | dc_: aha :-) |
| 00:40.01 | mallum | dc_: could you mail me them ? |
| 00:40.05 | dc_ | mallum: so, is this theming stuff working then? |
| 00:40.15 | mallum | dc_: nearly .... |
| 00:40.30 | dc_ | mallum: heh, I reformatted my iPAQ...but I can do them if you give me 15 min or so. |
| 00:40.57 | mallum | dc_: cool, thats fine |
| 00:41.15 | pb_ | moray: ah, it seems there was a dumb bug in the keylaunch patch for "long presses". In the if statement at about line 575, it needs to not check for a match on "state", since key press and key release events differ there. |
| 00:41.33 | mallum | dc_: also I found this http://ajgenius.us/Gnome/gnome2-gtk2-themes.html |
| 00:44.23 | dc_ | mallum: oh nice |
| 00:45.13 | mallum | dc_: did you ever get much further with the 'bluecurve' matchbox theme btw ? |
| 00:55.59 | dc_ | mallum: nah |
| 01:06.48 | dc_ | omfg.. |
| 01:06.50 | mallum | dc_: too tough ? |
| 01:07.03 | dc_ | mallum: I got them. |
| 01:07.20 | dc_ | mallum: only nautilus won't let me overwrite a file |
| 01:08.02 | dc_ | ah got it |
| 01:08.05 | cmarqu | Grr. I hate it when the docs say that something is deprecated but offer no alternative. |
| 01:08.23 | pb_ | Yes. :-/ |
| 01:08.29 | dc_ | :/ |
| 01:08.54 | cmarqu | Each API doc page should have an associated wiki page. |
| 01:09.37 | cmarqu | Oh. Even cooler when gtk-demo uses these deprecated things itself. |
| 01:09.49 | dc_ | hah |
| 01:10.44 | mallum | time for fltk |
| 01:10.48 | mallum | hehe |
| 01:10.53 | dc_ | mallum: mallum@10am.com? |
| 01:11.02 | mallum | dc_: breakfast@10.am |
| 01:11.08 | dc_ | mallum: doh ;[ |
| 01:11.09 | dc_ | ;] |
| 01:11.11 | dc_ | ;p |
| 01:11.11 | dc_ | ! |
| 01:14.49 | dc_ | shoot, mail server is down |
| 01:14.49 | dc_ | hrmmm |
| 01:14.50 | dc_ | it seems my nameservers are down |
| 01:14.52 | dc_ | somehow :\ |
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| 01:19.42 | dc__ | mallum: sent |
| 01:21.24 | mallum | dc__: thank you ! |
| 01:24.44 | mallum | dc_: got it :-) |
| 01:25.37 | dc__ | mallum: coolio |
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| 10:00.14 | *** topic/#gpe is GPE Palmtop Environment | http://gpe.handhelds.org | http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/CurrentThingsToDo | http://europa.debian.org/bugzilla | bootgpe2 images now in http://handhelds.org/~pb/unstable/ (latest recommended is pb9) | Familiar 0.7 issues: http://www.handhelds.org/bugzilla/showdependencytree.cgi?id=99 | Please every body hammer matchbox, reporting bugs to bugzilla |
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| 10:33.10 | janne | anyone present? |
| 10:34.03 | janne | GPE knowledgeable people here? |
| 10:38.09 | Hallski | probably :) |
| 10:39.08 | janne | heloo! |
| 10:39.11 | janne | hello |
| 10:39.21 | janne | You have time to answer some questions? |
| 10:39.30 | janne | Hallski? |
| 10:39.39 | Hallski | I probably don't know the answers though :) |
| 10:41.36 | mallum | janne: whats up ? |
| 10:41.48 | mallum | mornin Hallski |
| 10:42.16 | Hallski | morning mallum |
| 10:44.08 | mallum | Hallski: what country are you in btw ? |
| 10:44.16 | janne | mallum: Hallski answered my call ... |
| 10:44.34 | mallum | janne: okey, cool |
| 10:45.44 | Hallski | mallum: Sweden |
| 10:47.18 | mallum | Hallski: aha, I used to work with some nice people from sweden |
| 10:48.24 | Hallski | mallum: cool, from where in Sweden? |
| 10:51.14 | mallum | Hallski: hmmm I cant remember, I think pretty near the stockholm |
| 10:51.37 | Hallski | ok, that's where I'm at |
| 10:51.57 | mallum | Hallski: you know there is this 'hypermedia' school in sweden ? |
| 10:52.39 | Hallski | mallum: hmm .. doesn't opie use tinyX? |
| 10:52.55 | Hallski | mallum: dunno |
| 10:53.18 | mallum | Hallski: no, just strait on the framebuffer, doesn't even bother switching vt |
| 10:53.26 | Hallski | hmm .. ok |
| 10:53.33 | mallum | Hallski: there is an opie/x11 but Im not sure what the status of that is |
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| 11:13.40 | florian_ | hi all! |
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| 11:14.52 | mallum | hey florian_ |
| 11:15.04 | florian_ | mallum: hi! |
| 11:15.04 | PaxAnima | morning |
| 11:15.10 | mallum | hey PaxAnima |
| 11:15.20 | mallum | florian_: I nearly have the background setting working in mbdesktop |
| 11:15.27 | mallum | florian_: very nearly |
| 11:15.33 | florian_ | PaxAnima: hello.. |
| 11:15.41 | PaxAnima | hi, florian_ and mallum |
| 11:15.42 | florian_ | mallum: ah, great... |
| 11:16.29 | florian_ | i have still problems with my 3870 and current 2.4.19 :-/ |
| 11:17.31 | mallum | florian_: also I've changed the way you set themes with matchbox slightly |
| 11:17.37 | mallum | florian_: its simpler now and more gnome like |
| 11:18.06 | mallum | florian_: you now just specify the name of the theme via xsetting Net/ThemeName |
| 11:18.29 | mallum | florian_: and matchbox will check prefix/share/themes/<theme name>matchbox |
| 11:18.44 | mallum | florian_: the desktop & menu also listen to this and will update there icons |
| 11:18.47 | mallum | florian_: as will gtk |
| 11:19.31 | mallum | florian_: you know how the theme config works in gnome 2.2 ? |
| 11:20.03 | florian_ | this is a good idea... and quite easy to handle |
| 11:21.11 | mallum | florian_: cool, glad you agree :-) |
| 11:21.21 | mallum | florian_: makes everything a bit more unified simpler for the user |
| 11:22.16 | mallum | florian_: mbdesktop will also check prefix/share/icons/<theme name>/ for its icons on a theme change |
| 11:22.21 | florian_ | yep, this is an aim we should keep in mind... |
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| 11:23.12 | florian_ | this is cool! - who creates the opie theme ;-) |
| 11:23.19 | florian_ | pb_: hi pb_! |
| 11:23.30 | pb_ | hi florian_ |
| 11:23.32 | mallum | florian_: when I have it working well, I'll make a test theme-package with matchbox theme / gtk & icons and then you should see how it all works |
| 11:23.35 | mallum | hey pb_ |
| 11:23.38 | pb_ | hi mallum |
| 11:33.16 | florian_ | pb_: with current 2.4.19 i still had some resume problems on my 3870, do you know if i'm the only one? |
| 11:33.29 | pb_ | florian_: what bootldr are you using? |
| 11:35.29 | florian_ | pb_: 2.18.55 |
| 11:36.17 | pb_ | florian_: there is a resume-related bug in bootldr 2.18. Try upgrading to 2.19.55 and see if that helps. |
| 11:36.52 | florian_ | pb_: ok, i'll try this... |
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| 11:41.16 | florian_ | pb_: there is a 2.19.58 in the feed, i think this is ok too... or not? |
| 11:41.48 | pb_ | yeah, that should be ok. just avoid the ones in the pxa directory. |
| 11:44.52 | florian_ | :-) no pxa dir there... is there a reason not to update it from a cf card like a boot image? |
| 11:45.26 | pb_ | I'm not sure the bootldr is capable of updating itself from CF. Best to use a serial download, it's only a 256k file. |
| 11:46.01 | florian_ | ok, then i'll do this... |
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| 12:04.16 | florian_ | pb_: this didn't help :-( |
| 12:04.28 | pb_ | oh dear. |
| 12:06.03 | florian_ | i think it s really the ts device, i can change focus with the buttons... |
| 12:06.12 | pb_ | hrm. |
| 12:06.21 | PaxAnima | florian_: my 3850 works fine |
| 12:06.31 | pb_ | strange, I don't think anybody else has reported that. |
| 12:07.12 | PaxAnima | pb_: the pm_helper problem was fixed at kernel level? |
| 12:07.17 | pb_ | yes. |
| 12:08.19 | florian_ | hmm... i could check my kernel packages if something maybe was not installed correctly |
| 12:11.09 | florian_ | bbl |
| 12:36.34 | dan_t | Package gstreamer-0.5 has been repl |
| 12:36.34 | dan_t | aced by: gstreamer |
| 12:36.37 | pb_ | cmarqu: I just checked in a small change to ownerinfo2 that you might like to look at. |
| 12:36.42 | dan_t | is correct ? |
| 12:36.47 | pb_ | dan_t: correct |
| 12:36.56 | dan_t | why i still get this warning at ever upgrade ? |
| 12:37.25 | pb_ | dan_t: some ipkg issue. |
| 12:37.44 | dan_t | i get also: Package atd has been replaced by: opie-opiealarm |
| 12:37.52 | dan_t | pb_: how i can resolve ? |
| 12:38.03 | pb_ | dan_t: just ignore it, I guess. |
| 12:38.18 | pb_ | or install the new packages. |
| 12:39.03 | dan_t | pb_: i have just seen that there is dillo 0.7 for debian unstable. familiar has only 0.6.6. why ? |
| 12:43.53 | pb_ | dan_t: because nobody has built packages of 0.7.0 for familiar yet. |
| 12:44.26 | dan_t | pb_: who is the mantainer ? aren't you mantainer for debian ? if you want i can try tyo help |
| 12:45.38 | pb_ | dan_t: yes, I am the debian maintainer for dillo. |
| 12:46.00 | pb_ | dan_t: if you can make some gtk2 patches for dillo 0.7.0 I will happily build packages for familiar. |
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| 12:47.10 | dan_t | pb_: hmmm... what are the problems ? (i know... i'm going to look at dillo homepage) |
| 12:48.18 | cmarqu | pb_: Ah. Uhm. What does it do? :) |
| 12:48.35 | pb_ | dan_t: simply that there are no patches at present. |
| 12:48.54 | pb_ | cmarqu: well, the theory is that with gpe-ownerinfo2 running, you can do "gpe-setlocale de_DE" and the text will change to German. |
| 12:48.58 | dan_t | pb_: dillo is gtk1.4 so... |
| 12:49.06 | cmarqu | pb_: Oh! Cool. |
| 12:49.51 | pb_ | cmarqu: this is not especially exciting in ownerinfo itself, since it's only the string "Owner" that changes, but it seems like a neat feature nonetheless. We would obviously want to tie it in with the language selector in gpe-login. |
| 12:50.48 | cmarqu | Indeed. |
| 12:51.12 | cmarqu | Would that make the LTR-RTL change too? |
| 12:51.35 | pb_ | Probably not at the moment, but we should make it so. |
| 12:52.04 | cmarqu | pb_: Ah, and there is that bug in the address field for RTL text. It doesn't change orientation. |
| 12:52.11 | pb_ | Ah. |
| 12:52.29 | cmarqu | I didn't even look at it yet. |
| 12:56.43 | dc_ | morning :) |
| 12:57.26 | mallum | pb_: what does gpe-setlocale do ? |
| 12:57.29 | mallum | dc_: hey |
| 12:57.46 | dc_ | mallum: :) |
| 12:58.29 | mallum | pb_: or rather how does it work :-) |
| 12:59.04 | pb_ | dc_: yo |
| 12:59.18 | pb_ | mallum: it just sets a _GPE_LOCALE property on the root window. |
| 12:59.33 | dc_ | mallum: so did you get the icon theming working last night? |
| 13:00.27 | mallum | pb_: ah cool, does that include the lc_messages thing ? ( so I can use it for mbmenu / mbdesktop ) |
| 13:01.25 | mallum | dc_: no I got too tired :( |
| 13:01.33 | dc_ | mallum: ;| |
| 13:01.43 | cmarqu | pb_: Ah, this was what I meant when I thought of Knoppix and gettext: http://mailman.linuxtag.org/pipermail/debian-knoppix/2003-February/001790.html |
| 13:01.51 | mallum | dc_: Im getting close though ... |
| 13:01.52 | dc_ | oh no! |
| 13:02.00 | dc_ | a picture of cmarqu on scap! |
| 13:02.08 | cmarqu | dc_: Hey! |
| 13:02.45 | dc_ | cmarqu: oh wow, I do like that language selection box though |
| 13:02.56 | cmarqu | dc_: Tell pb_ :) |
| 13:03.00 | dc_ | pb_: :))) |
| 13:03.49 | mallum | cmarqu: you need to get a newer picture of yourself .... |
| 13:04.00 | dc_ | hehe |
| 13:04.05 | cmarqu | mallum: Is it that far off? |
| 13:04.15 | cmarqu | Only 3 years old. |
| 13:04.24 | mallum | cmarqu: yes |
| 13:04.37 | mallum | cmarqu: your bowl cut has totally gone now ;-) |
| 13:04.42 | dc_ | mallum: I'm missing my lovely bluecurve icons :{ |
| 13:04.50 | mallum | cmarqu: and your glasses are different |
| 13:04.52 | cmarqu | Argh! :) |
| 13:04.59 | dc_ | imposter. |
| 13:05.03 | cmarqu | No, they aren't actually. |
| 13:05.13 | mallum | dc_: you can grab matchbox cvs .... |
| 13:05.20 | dc_ | mallum: right! |
| 13:06.03 | mallum | dc_: but I'll build an ipkg in a bit ;-) |
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| 13:07.04 | dc_ | mallum: even cooler |
| 13:10.38 | pb_ | mallum: yeah, the value of _GPE_LOCALE is just a locale name. So you would retrieve it and do setlocale(LC_MESSAGES, newvalue). |
| 13:11.07 | pb_ | dc_: ah, glad you like it. |
| 13:11.58 | mallum | pb_: ah coolness. I should be able to plug that into the desktop then |
| 13:12.11 | pb_ | great. |
| 13:14.47 | dan_t | where i can found documentation on how create a ipkg package ? |
| 13:15.13 | pb_ | dan_t: it's basically the same as creating a debian package; refer to www.debian.org. |
| 13:15.20 | dan_t | pb_: tahnks |
| 13:17.12 | pb_ | cmarqu: Ah. I'll take a look at what Eduard does in pppoeconf then. |
| 13:17.56 | pb_ | ... seems he is using $"some string" notation. Maybe we should just try to compel the busybox people to add this to ash. |
| 13:54.27 | flypiper | pb_: morning |
| 13:54.53 | pb_ | hi flypiper |
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| 14:10.31 | flypiper | pb_: is there a bootgpe2 image in your feed for 3800?? |
| 14:14.54 | pb_ | flypiper: the 3600 images will work on h3800. |
| 14:15.37 | dan_t | there is an error into familiar /etc/modules.conf |
| 14:15.54 | pb_ | dan_t: please report it in bugzilla |
| 14:15.57 | dan_t | alias alias tty-ldisc-15 h3600_stowaway is wrong |
| 14:16.02 | flypiper | pb_: the 3600 image I just flashed gives me "unrecognized kernel image" |
| 14:16.15 | pb_ | flypiper: you may need to update your bootldr. 2.18.54 or newer is required. |
| 14:16.20 | dan_t | tty-ldisc-15 is reserved for hci_uart |
| 14:16.26 | pb_ | flypiper: in particular, 2.18.01 will not work. |
| 14:17.07 | flypiper | pb_: been around way longer than 2.18.01... I have 2.19.46 on it:) |
| 14:17.18 | pb_ | ah, heh. |
| 14:17.29 | pb_ | well, that ought to be okay I guess. which image did you flash exactly? |
| 14:19.09 | flypiper | it's bootgpe2-pb9-jffs2 ....from Feb 12 |
| 14:19.18 | pb_ | hm, should be fine. |
| 14:19.24 | pb_ | let me inspect that one. |
| 14:19.24 | dan_t | pb_: what package contains /etc/modules.conf ? |
| 14:19.40 | pb_ | dan_t: use ipkg search /etc/modules.conf to find out. I think probably familiar-base. |
| 14:20.12 | dan_t | pb_: thanks |
| 14:20.58 | pb_ | flypiper: I can't see anything obviously wrong with the tarball for the pb9 image. The kernel seems to be present and correct. |
| 14:21.41 | flypiper | pb_: im gonna grab another one and try it.. maybe an older one |
| 14:21.44 | pb_ | flypiper: good idea. |
| 14:22.09 | pb_ | you could try pb10 (in the "broken" directory). I'm fairly sure I flashed that on my h3600 last week without any serious problems. |
| 14:22.28 | flypiper | pb_: well whatever you would like me to check |
| 14:22.53 | flypiper | pb10 it is |
| 14:22.56 | pb_ | ok, cool |
| 14:25.42 | flypiper | eewwww 12 M.. that should be close to everything a person would ever need:) |
| 14:29.49 | pb_ | yeah :-) |
| 14:30.10 | pb_ | the bootgpe2 images basically include the whole of gpe2. |
| 14:30.57 | pb_ | We did go through a phase of trying to provide a "gpe2 bootstrap" that contained only the core system (for various fairly arbitrary definitions of core) but that didn't seem to be buying much. |
| 14:33.18 | flypiper | pb_: flashing |
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| 14:40.21 | dc_ | heh |
| 14:40.28 | dc_ | this is soo anyoing |
| 14:41.46 | pb_ | dc_: what's up? |
| 14:42.02 | dc_ | pb_: all this pango attribute and tag stuff. |
| 14:42.18 | dc_ | pb_: I have to somehow make sure there arn't multiple tags. |
| 14:42.19 | pb_ | ah. |
| 14:42.28 | dc_ | of the same type. |
| 14:44.48 | dc_ | and now my tea's to hot :| |
| 14:45.39 | pb_ | sounds like a nightmare all round. |
| 14:45.49 | dc_ | I think it is |
| 14:46.37 | pb_ | however, long experience has taught me that the way to deal with too-hot tea is to leave it to cool down for a short time. |
| 14:46.46 | dc_ | :) |
| 14:46.46 | dc_ | )) |
| 14:49.01 | dc_ | pb_: it seems there's no connection between the way pango uses PangoAttribute and the way GtkTextBuffer uses GtkTextTag to edit its styles |
| 14:49.48 | dc_ | pb_: what I need to be able to do is have a GtkTextTag named color, size, style, font etc.. for a section of the text. |
| 14:49.57 | dc_ | pb_: and it's possible to do that with Pango. |
| 14:50.13 | dc_ | pb_: but with GtkTextTags it's not possibly to make tags with the same name. |
| 14:50.22 | dc_ | s/possibly/possible/ |
| 14:50.27 | pb_ | ah, I see. |
| 14:50.31 | dc_ | pb_: :) |
| 14:50.51 | dc_ | pb_: so there's my problem. I can make GtkTextTags for like blue, green, bold etc.. |
| 14:51.23 | dc_ | pb_: but then when I select text I have to search through the whole list of the types of tags I have and remove the approprite ones before applying a new one. |
| 14:51.51 | dc_ | pb_: and the main problem is with fonts, as it's not reasonable to go through every font and remove the tag if it's there, before changing the font. |
| 14:51.57 | pb_ | hmm, nasty. |
| 14:53.15 | dc_ | pb_: the only way could be using seperate GtkTagTables for each section of text. |
| 14:53.29 | dc_ | pb_: but it seems a GtkTextBuffer can only have one tagtable. |
| 14:55.45 | dc_ | phew |
| 14:55.48 | dc_ | lucky day today |
| 15:00.28 | dc_ | pb_: even though alot of attribute stuff is talked about in the Pango docs, there is no actual mention of how to apply it to widgets. |
| 15:01.20 | dan_t | someone known gobject api ? |
| 15:01.26 | pb_ | dc_: right. |
| 15:01.27 | dc_ | dan_t: what's up? |
| 15:01.37 | pb_ | dc_: sounds like you might have to write to the gtk dudes and ask. |
| 15:01.42 | pb_ | or track them down on #gtk. |
| 15:01.54 | dc_ | yah |
| 15:02.00 | dan_t | dc_: i want to report an error from my library that uses gobject. how i can do that ? |
| 15:02.16 | dc_ | dan_t: ask pb_ :} |
| 15:02.27 | dc_ | hehe |
| 15:02.38 | dc_ | I havn't quite reached that level of eleet yet. |
| 15:02.46 | pb_ | dan_t: just return a GError. |
| 15:03.15 | dan_t | pb_: it isn't a fatal error |
| 15:04.23 | pb_ | dan_t: most applications don't make that distinction. |
| 15:04.42 | pb_ | generally, an error is something you only get when a call was unsuccessful. anything else would be purely informational. |
| 15:08.13 | dan_t | pb_: the case is: sdp scan, i can get devices list and her names but i can't get sdp information for one of those devices. how i can report that a sigle function call has returned and error ? |
| 15:11.42 | flypiper | pb_: your pb10 image appears to be a keeper:\ I will test my wireless cards and nic's on it... thanks |
| 15:21.01 | pb_ | dan_t: you should report it as part of the device list, I suppose. |
| 15:21.23 | pb_ | either just "not available", or a GError describing what the problem was. |
| 15:21.26 | pb_ | flypiper: cool |
| 15:23.40 | dc_ | pb_: it looks like Mr. Penington is going to be in trouble. |
| 15:24.12 | pb_ | dc_: oh dear. |
| 15:24.20 | flypiper | pb_: hmm looks like if I kill gpe-dm and restart it.. I have gpe-ownerinfo at login. But if I reboot it.. gpe-ownerinfo isn't there.. |
| 15:24.43 | pb_ | flypiper: yeah, there was some obscure bug in gpe-login. I think it should be fixed in the very latest version in unstable. |
| 15:24.55 | flypiper | ahhhh OK |
| 15:25.07 | dan_t | pb_: there is gthread library on familiar or i huld go with standard pthread ? |
| 15:25.22 | pb_ | dan_t: gthread is available, I believe. |
| 15:35.22 | cmarqu | dc_: IBM has an okay Pango introduction. |
| 15:35.51 | cmarqu | dc_: <http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/unicode/library/l-u-pango1/index.html?dwzone=unicode> |
| 15:38.08 | cmarqu | Ah, I see you probably need much more than that. |
| 15:38.53 | dc_ | quite so/ |
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| 15:42.30 | pb_ | heh. |
| 15:46.53 | pb_ | ingenious! |
| 15:50.29 | flypiper | pb_: where is the "G" background image located?? |
| 15:52.09 | cmarqu | flypiper: root@tiny:~# ls -l /etc/gpe/gpe-login-bg.png |
| 15:52.09 | cmarqu | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 37 Jan 31 23:53 /etc/gpe/gpe-login-bg.png -> /usr/share/pixmaps/gpe-default-bg.png |
| 15:52.31 | flypiper | thanks |
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| 16:14.19 | flypiper | cmarqu: is there a seperate .png for the ownerinfo stuff?? |
| 16:14.48 | flypiper | seems that my background png has turned the bottom dark.. lemme scap a pic |
| 16:16.13 | pb_ | well, looks like you've got it easy. spare a thought for the guy with http://handhelds.org/scap/port.1402.png |
| 16:16.52 | pb_ | but, as for your actual problem, it might be that the image is too small to cover the whole screen. I'm not sure whether it gets tiled or not. |
| 16:18.19 | flypiper | yea.. i will play with it a little more |
| 16:18.20 | flypiper | thanks |
| 16:22.57 | spung | flypiper: you're the living proof that we don't all se the colors the same way... i mean, that's a purple xkbd man! |
| 16:23.14 | dc_ | flypiper: :) |
| 16:25.18 | flypiper | spung: yea i like color.. sorry |
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| 16:27.15 | cmarqu | flypiper: As you probably saw, Pango allows you colorful text. |
| 16:27.39 | flypiper | cmarqu: yep.. very nice:\ |
| 16:30.09 | flypiper | That is a battle flag from the Confederate army.. I will work on it.. and make it look better later.. have to get my merlin-c201 card working on this baby now:) |
| 16:30.41 | cmarqu | pb_: Is the current gpe-nmf not esd-enabled? I get /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy |
| 16:31.03 | cmarqu | Only when I run it as a iuuser though, so it's maybe a permissions problem? |
| 16:32.17 | cmarqu | root@tiny:~# ls -l /dev/dsp |
| 16:32.17 | cmarqu | lr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 14 Feb 17 17:11 /dev/dsp -> /dev/sound/dsp |
| 16:32.17 | cmarqu | root@tiny:~# ls -l /dev/sound/dsp |
| 16:32.17 | cmarqu | crw------- 1 colin root 14, 3 Jan 1 1970 /dev/sound/dsp |
| 16:34.26 | pb_ | cmarqu: It should be esd-enabled, yes. |
| 16:34.56 | cmarqu | Yeah, the fact that it works for root should be proof enough. |
| 16:44.49 | dan_t | /usr/bin/gpe-bootsplash: error while loading shared libraries: libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0: cannot open |
| 16:44.49 | dan_t | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:49.09 | dan_t | solved with an ldconfig |
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| 17:27.20 | pb_ | dan_t: did you get anywhere with dillo? |
| 17:27.52 | dan_t | pb_: i'm working on gpe-bluetooth now |
| 17:28.06 | dan_t | pb_: i have still some problems cross compiling |
| 17:29.50 | pb_ | ah, ok |
| 17:33.01 | dan_t | pb_: i have setted up binutils gcc libc glibc cross compiled bluez, builded libbtctl package with original author, cross compiled it, tested it, found a bug into broadcom bluetooth stack, now i'm dealing with install xlibs-arm-cross |
| 17:33.32 | dan_t | pb_: to install them you have installed xfree86-common-arm-cross ?? |
| 17:34.32 | spung | dan_t: did i send you a link to my cross packages? |
| 17:35.12 | dan_t | spung: i have lost it :( |
| 17:35.27 | dan_t | spung: i have two questions for you: |
| 17:35.33 | spung | dan_t: http://handhelds.org/~luis/cross/ |
| 17:36.14 | dan_t | spung: 1) have you converted those packages with dpkg-cross or have you recompiled them ? |
| 17:36.51 | dan_t | spung: 2) if you have only converted them how you have solved dependencies problems ? |
| 17:37.16 | dc_ | bbl. |
| 17:37.20 | dc_ | time for a movie :\ |
| 17:38.04 | spung | dan_t: IIRC, i converted them with dpkg-cross, extracted them with dpkg-deb, removed the dependencies from the DEBIAN/control file and repackaged them |
| 17:38.43 | dan_t | spung: how have you repackaged them ? (i'm not so skilled with deb tools) |
| 17:39.10 | spung | dan_t: dpkg-deb --build dir package.deb |
| 17:39.16 | PaxAnima | can't get my midi synth (serial) to work :/ |
| 17:39.32 | cmarqu | Does somebody know how I can remove that beveled frame here: http://handhelds.org/~cmarqu/question_HIG.png ? |
| 17:39.48 | dan_t | spung: thanks!! |
| 17:40.09 | spung | dan_t: np |
| 17:40.18 | PaxAnima | cmarqu: from the buttons? |
| 17:40.47 | cmarqu | PaxAnima: No, around the whole window |
| 17:40.56 | spung | cmarqu: why is it there? |
| 17:41.08 | PaxAnima | looks like a GtkFrame? |
| 17:41.15 | cmarqu | spung: I wish I knew. Might it be a theme thing? |
| 17:41.20 | pb_ | cmarqu: just remove the GtkFrame from question.c |
| 17:41.42 | cmarqu | PaxAnima: No, it's just a gtk_window_new (GTK_WINDOW_TOPLEVEL) with a border of 6pixels. |
| 17:41.51 | PaxAnima | oh |
| 17:42.00 | spung | cmarqu: weird, are you sure? |
| 17:42.05 | cmarqu | Ah! |
| 17:42.07 | pb_ | cmarqu: see line 127 |
| 17:42.12 | spung | ah :D |
| 17:42.12 | cmarqu | Ooops. |
| 17:42.40 | cmarqu | Thanks all :) |
| 17:42.52 | pb_ | cmarqu: the reason it's there is that gdk_window_set_decorated (FALSE) causes the WM not to draw any border at all around the window, which looks rather peculiar. |
| 17:42.53 | cmarqu | I'll go hide in a mouse hole. |
| 17:43.26 | PaxAnima | cmarqu: you better hide well! ;) |
| 17:43.51 | cmarqu | pb_: Oh. Hmm. I'll have to put it in into some other place then, as the border is used to get the correct spacing everywhere. |
| 17:44.03 | pb_ | cmarqu: Mmm, right. |
| 17:44.34 | cmarqu | pb_: Actually... why are there no decorations? |
| 17:44.53 | pb_ | cmarqu: I didn't want a titlebar showing up, and I was too stupid to figure out how to get rid of that but keep everything else. |
| 17:45.22 | cmarqu | pb_: Hmm. The HIG uses an empty title bar, with no close button. |
| 17:45.30 | cmarqu | http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/1.0/images/alert-spacing.png |
| 17:46.13 | spung | cmarqu: sounds like a good idea |
| 17:46.16 | pb_ | cmarqu: Yeah. I tend to think blank titlebars look a bit ugly (worse on the ipaq than the desktop). |
| 17:46.37 | spung | cmarqu: they have the cancel button on the left |
| 17:47.13 | cmarqu | spung: Yeah, this is another thing I need to bring up politely :) |
| 17:47.59 | PaxAnima | why did gnome change the placement of "OK" and "Cancel" for 2.x? |
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| 17:48.45 | PaxAnima | doens't feel right, IMHO |
| 17:49.07 | cmarqu | pb_: As soon as we have mallum's new shaped decorations, it's not bad. |
| 17:49.19 | pb_ | cmarqu: Yeah, I guess. |
| 17:49.33 | cmarqu | PaxAnima: I guess you can read quite some heated discussions about that in the various list archives.. |
| 17:49.53 | spung | pb_: should there be a translation thing for .menu's too? we still use those right? |
| 17:50.00 | PaxAnima | but why change? 'cause everyone else has it that way and gnome wants to be "special"? |
| 17:50.05 | pb_ | spung: I don't care about .menus any longer. |
| 17:50.21 | spung | pb_: ohh, mbmenu uses the .desktop's ? |
| 17:50.25 | pb_ | spung: yes |
| 17:50.27 | PaxAnima | maybe find a mailing list archive... |
| 17:50.40 | spung | pb_: oh, didn't know that, i'll remove mine |
| 17:50.58 | pb_ | spung: good plan :-) |
| 17:53.07 | pb_ | ah, maybe Makefile.translation should remove the translated .desktop file in the clean-po rule. |
| 18:07.03 | cmarqu | Whee! I got a window without any title at all. |
| 18:07.15 | pb_ | Yay! |
| 18:07.27 | cmarqu | But maybe matchbox doesn't handle it like metacity does? |
| 18:07.42 | pb_ | Dunno. What did you do? |
| 18:08.23 | cmarqu | gdk_window_set_decorations (window->window, GDK_DECOR_BORDER); |
| 18:08.36 | pb_ | Aha. |
| 18:08.36 | cmarqu | Nothing more. |
| 18:10.02 | pb_ | Certainly sounds worth a try. |
| 18:13.49 | cmarqu | If it doesn't, then it probably should. Let me send you a patch for libgpewidget's question.c. |
| 18:15.07 | spung | what's with http://europa.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=161 shouldn't that be in handhelds.org bugzilla? |
| 18:22.02 | pb_ | Yeah |
| 18:22.25 | pb_ | cmarqu: thanks |
| 18:23.06 | cmarqu | I guess it is rather unreadable.. |
| 18:23.26 | pb_ | It is a bit, but never mind :-) |
| 18:23.34 | dan_t | how i can create a button with a standard pixmaps into it ? (like Ok Cancel etc butons) |
| 18:23.44 | pb_ | Actually, given this revelation about having no titlebar, I wonder if we could go back to using a GtkDialog there. |
| 18:24.12 | cmarqu | Okay, I can try that. |
| 18:24.45 | pb_ | Cool, thanks. By the way, could you also make add_button static while you're editing that file? |
| 18:24.54 | cmarqu | Sure. |
| 18:25.02 | pb_ | (and any other functions that are not meant to be called from other places) |
| 18:25.14 | spung | dan_t: have a look at somewhere like libgpewidget/question.c |
| 18:26.36 | dan_t | spung: so i must use gpe_button_from_stock ? |
| 18:27.10 | spung | dan_t: i don't know, never used it |
| 18:27.16 | pb_ | actually, that should probably be gtk_button_new_from_stock in that instance. |
| 18:28.59 | dan_t | pb_: where i can get stock list ? |
| 18:29.08 | pb_ | gtkstock.h, or gtk documentation |
| 18:43.03 | spung | glade sucks |
| 18:43.21 | pb_ | spung: I think we knew that. |
| 18:43.58 | spung | pb_: http://europa.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=116 this bug is pretty simple to fix, except i have to fight gpe-contacts' gladiness |
| 18:44.29 | spung | pb_: gpe-contacts is using a GtkCList instead of a GtkList |
| 18:44.52 | pb_ | GtkList is even more deprecated than GtkCList, so that's probably no bad thing. |
| 18:45.04 | pb_ | If you want to change it, make it use the new GTK2 list widget. |
| 18:45.12 | spung | pb_: yeah, ok |
| 18:45.20 | spung | pb_: does glade support that? |
| 18:45.40 | pb_ | No idea. |
| 18:45.56 | pb_ | You could do that bit outside glade though, if need be. |
| 18:51.23 | spung | glade-2 doesn't open glade files |
| 18:51.43 | pb_ | doh |
| 18:52.19 | spung | who'd the gpe-contacts maintainer? |
| 18:52.29 | pb_ | me and florian |
| 18:53.14 | moray_ | spung: apparently there's a script to convert between the two formats |
| 18:53.29 | spung | moray_: /me googles |
| 18:56.58 | cmarqu | pb_: New patch coming up. |
| 18:57.41 | spung | moray_: i can't find it, any links? |
| 18:59.30 | pb_ | cmarqu: great |
| 18:59.57 | cmarqu | Not sure about the "static" thing. |
| 19:02.09 | moray_ | spung: can't remember, but it may be libglade-convert that you want? |
| 19:02.34 | pb_ | cmarqu: looks good, would you check that in? |
| 19:02.40 | cmarqu | pb_: Okay. |
| 19:04.57 | pb_ | oh, one thing. GTK_DIALOG (window)->action_area is already a GtkHBox - is it necessary to put another one inside it? |
| 19:05.08 | cmarqu | Oh, oops. |
| 19:06.15 | PaxAnima | pb_: your cross compiler instructions are wrong: I installed dpkg-cross and it seems to be a circular dependency between the current glibc (-13) and libdb1-compat, so neither gets installed.... :/ |
| 19:06.27 | pb_ | PaxAnima: install them both at once |
| 19:06.43 | PaxAnima | ah |
| 19:07.02 | pb_ | circular dependencies are perfectly normal and do not represent a problem. |
| 19:08.00 | PaxAnima | ok |
| 19:11.33 | PaxAnima | pb_: where do I go from now to get crosscompiling for gtk2 apps? |
| 19:14.39 | cmarqu | pb_: Okay, I removed that spurious buttonbox. Do you want me to check in right away? |
| 19:16.30 | spung | PaxAnima: you can try http://handhelds.org/~luis/cross/ i'm not sure they work |
| 19:17.03 | PaxAnima | spung: thanks.. how do I install them? |
| 19:24.51 | pb_ | cmarqu: Please do. |
| 19:28.56 | PaxAnima | spung: do I install them with "dpkg -i" ? |
| 19:39.53 | cmarqu | Please everybody take a look at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/GPEMarketing and make suggestions. |
| 19:45.32 | PaxAnima | spung: the debs installed without errors.. how do I use the cross compiler? |
| 19:46.05 | PaxAnima | just replace gcc with arm-linux-gcc? |
| 19:46.12 | PaxAnima | .. in the Makefile? |
| 19:53.11 | spung | PaxAnima: sorry, yeah do a "make CC=arm-linux-gcc" |
| 19:53.44 | spung | PaxAnima: you'll have to s/strip/arm-linux-strip in the Makefile's tho |
| 19:54.01 | PaxAnima | ah.. thanks |
| 19:54.45 | pb_ | spung: if you come across any makefiles that call strip, you might like to change them to use install -s instead. |
| 19:55.13 | spung | pb_: i thought using install -s was a bad idea |
| 19:55.20 | pb_ | spung: why? |
| 19:55.45 | spung | pb_: because it'd call strip instead of arm-linux-strip ? |
| 19:55.56 | pb_ | It ought to use $(STRIP). |
| 19:56.05 | spung | pb_: oh, cool |
| 19:56.31 | cmarqu | Argh. Where is mibus? |
| 19:57.01 | spung | pb_: my cross compilation environment doesn't seem to work anyway.. i hope PaxAnima has better luck |
| 19:57.12 | pb_ | cmarqu: I uploaded libgpewidget 0.48 with your patch. |
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| 19:57.24 | pb_ | cmarqu: however, I'm seeing a blank titlebar on the ipaq. |
| 19:57.24 | cmarqu | pb_: Thx |
| 19:57.30 | cmarqu | Argh. |
| 19:57.30 | PaxAnima | spung: what doesn't work? |
| 19:57.43 | spung | PaxAnima: they won't run on the ipaq |
| 19:57.48 | cmarqu | pb_: That would be for mallum to look at. |
| 19:57.54 | pb_ | cmarqu: Indeed. |
| 19:58.07 | pb_ | cmarqu: I also see what you mean about the padding around the icon making it look strange for the text to be top-aligned. |
| 19:58.23 | cmarqu | pb_: Oh, oops, I didn't check in my new icon/ |
| 19:58.24 | pb_ | cmarqu: It might be better to defy the HIG on that point and make it vertically centred. |
| 19:58.53 | cmarqu | pb_: I guess in that specific case, it's the icon which is not meant to be used there. |
| 19:58.54 | pb_ | Ah, if you have a new icon, let's try that. |
| 19:59.28 | pb_ | cmarqu: the specific case being logout, presumably? |
| 19:59.39 | cmarqu | pb_: Yes. |
| 20:00.08 | cmarqu | :) |
| 20:01.39 | cmarqu | And... according to the HIG, the buttons are in the wrong order for gpe-logout. |
| 20:01.51 | pb_ | Yes. By all means reverse them if you like. |
| 20:02.15 | pb_ | My gpe-logout is also still using the old "tick" icon for the OK button for some reason. I thought I changed it to use the stock ones, but obviously not. |
| 20:03.13 | cmarqu | I'm not sure if we really want bold text in gpe-logout. The HIG seems to be saying it though. |
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| 20:04.07 | pb_ | Yeah. I think it used to be in bold, a long time ago, and I changed it to normal because it seemed to look better. |
| 20:04.17 | pb_ | But I don't feel strongly about it. |
| 20:04.18 | cmarqu | Would it make sense to add secondary text like "Unsaved data from applications will be lost."? |
| 20:04.33 | pb_ | Sure, seems like a good idea. |
| 20:04.38 | cmarqu | Okay. |
| 20:06.26 | cmarqu | Oh, primary text should even be in a bigger font. Let's see how that looks on the iPAQ. |
| 20:08.27 | cmarqu | pb_: You might want to copy over gpe-logout.sh by hand and see if manual wrapping is required. |
| 20:08.37 | pb_ | cmarqu: Right. Is it in CVS now? |
| 20:08.53 | cmarqu | In this second, yes. |
| 20:09.52 | cmarqu | Argh. I guess the quotes are wrong. |
| 20:10.07 | pb_ | Oh dear. |
| 20:11.04 | cmarqu | Now. |
| 20:11.40 | pb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.42 | pb_ | Hm |
| 20:11.55 | cmarqu | Oh. ash vs bash? |
| 20:12.01 | pb_ | Maybe. |
| 20:12.10 | pb_ | That's unfortunate. |
| 20:12.24 | cmarqu | Yeah. |
| 20:13.33 | pb_ | Apparently it worked in the old version though. |
| 20:14.03 | cmarqu | Indeed. Hmm. |
| 20:14.14 | pb_ | Maybe I copied the wrong file. Let me try again. |
| 20:14.45 | cmarqu | Well, the new question has two line breaks now. |
| 20:14.46 | pb_ | Okay, yes, now it works. Duh. |
| 20:14.51 | cmarqu | Ah. |
| 20:15.00 | pb_ | It needs manually wrapping after "applications", I think. |
| 20:15.23 | cmarqu | You use Luxi at the moment? |
| 20:15.32 | pb_ | Yes, I think so. |
| 20:16.42 | pb_ | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.4924.png |
| 20:16.51 | cmarqu | Verdana runs a bit wider I think. Hopefully that doesn't wrap another time then :) |
| 20:18.00 | pb_ | Right. |
| 20:18.23 | cmarqu | Oh. There seems to be a little bug still. The spacing between the buttons is supposed to be half that below the buttons. |
| 20:18.34 | pb_ | Ah. |
| 20:18.47 | cmarqu | Important details! :) |
| 20:19.25 | pb_ | Absolutely. |
| 20:21.43 | cmarqu | Must be some default setting of the GtkDialog action_area that is messing it up. |
| 20:21.54 | pb_ | Darn. |
| 20:23.39 | cmarqu | And it seems like I broke the button reordering too. |
| 20:23.57 | cmarqu | It is acting on cancel :/ |
| 20:24.43 | pb_ | Doh. |
| 20:39.11 | cmarqu | Hell. I can't figure it out. |
| 20:39.18 | pb_ | The packing thing? |
| 20:39.30 | cmarqu | Yeah. |
| 20:40.06 | cmarqu | I tried all kinds of spacing settings... |
| 20:40.33 | cmarqu | Gotta eat something, BRB. |
| 20:41.32 | pb_ | Ah, hm. The action_area is not actually a gtkhbox, it's... a gtkhbuttonbox. |
| 20:41.38 | pb_ | http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/2.0/gtk/gtkbuttonbox.html |
| 20:48.06 | cmarqu | Yes, so I tried gtk_button_box_set_spacing() to no avail. |
| 20:52.13 | cmarqu | gtk_button_box_set_child_ipadding () -- hmm. |
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| 20:56.26 | flypiper_ | pb_: your pb10.jffs2 is definatly a very good build :-) |
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| 21:06.15 | pb_ | flypiper_: cool |
| 21:07.54 | pb_ | cmarqu: indeed, so it seems. |
| 21:10.15 | pb_ | flypiper_: maybe I should retrieve it from the broken directory then. |
| 21:10.35 | pb_ | I think I put it there because the alsa sound modules were causing suspend problems. |
| 21:12.23 | pb_ | ibot, seen andersee? |
| 21:12.24 | | andersee <~andersen@codepoet.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #elinux, 9h 35m 49s ago, saying: 'TimHatesCisco: If it boots this time I'll certainly be sharing source/binaries if you'd like'. |
| 21:27.35 | spung | pb_: http://europa.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=141 seems to be fixed already? |
| 21:28.46 | pb_ | spung: Yeah, I guess so. I'm never quite sure what to do with those bugs that apply to the gpe1 package and not the gpe2 version. |
| 21:29.02 | spung | pb_: gpe1 is obsolete? :D |
| 21:29.14 | pb_ | spung: I guess so. Okay, I'll close the bug. |
| 21:30.07 | pigeon | doh! |
| 21:30.21 | pb_ | pigeon: ? |
| 21:30.29 | pigeon | [08:29:02] [#gpe] <spung> pb_: gpe1 is obsolete? :D |
| 21:30.33 | pigeon | ;) |
| 21:30.53 | pb_ | ah, heh. |
| 21:33.19 | spung | pb_: any plans to get rid of glade in gpe-contacts? :D |
| 21:46.20 | dan_t | someone could explain me a couple of things about gobject ? |
| 21:46.48 | dan_t | i'm hacking on libbtctl for gpe-bluetooth but his interfaces make me crazy |
| 21:48.43 | moray | spung: hm, is glade inherently bad? (even if we agree glade-generated code is) |
| 21:49.17 | spung | lol |
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| 22:08.43 | flypiper | pb_: suspended fine for me ... but I left it on my wireless card in the living room now with gpe-irc on it.. and no errors from the card and it' |
| 22:08.58 | flypiper | s been up now for 2 hours:) |
| 22:09.38 | flypiper | pb_: seems to be good build for 3800 |
| 22:09.44 | pb_ | flypiper: excellent |
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| 22:27.11 | cmarqu | pb_: I fixed the button order bug in gpe-logout.sh (in CVS in a second), but I give up on the padding stuff. |
| 22:28.09 | PaxAnima | cmarqu: found the button order thread on the gnome HIG mailinglist... an interesting read |
| 22:28.30 | cmarqu | PaxAnima: Many flames? :) |
| 22:28.54 | spung | PaxAnima: link :D |
| 22:30.38 | PaxAnima | spung: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-hackers-readonly/2001-November/msg00017.html |
| 22:33.52 | PaxAnima | for the ipaq, I think [ [OK] [Cancel] ] would be best.. at least for right handed people, i.e. "Windows" style, as it feels more natural |
| 22:34.24 | PaxAnima | so that the OK button is more in the center of the screen |
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| 22:35.19 | cmarqu | PaxAnima: that would be confusing when you have an "alternate" button like here: http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/1.0/images/alert-button-order.png |
| 22:35.26 | cmarqu | Hi mallum |
| 22:36.08 | spung | PaxAnima: hmm.. if it's more to the left of the screen it's better for right handed people! |
| 22:36.22 | spung | s/left/right |
| 22:36.34 | PaxAnima | cmarqu: well, yes, but having the affirmative button to the left seems a bit ackward on the ipaq |
| 22:36.41 | mallum | hey cmarqu |
| 22:36.57 | PaxAnima | left = right |
| 22:36.59 | cmarqu | PaxAnima: Huh? That's why it is on the right :) |
| 22:37.03 | cmarqu | Ah. |
| 22:37.45 | dan_t | someone can help me with gobject ? |
| 22:37.54 | cmarqu | mallum: metacity supports gdk_window_set_decorations (window->window, GDK_DECOR_BORDER), can matchbox do this too? (It does not right now). |
| 22:38.11 | cmarqu | mallum: We want a title-less window with just a border for gpe-logout |
| 22:38.30 | PaxAnima | another thing is the cursor, that points to the left, which makes it more natural to have the affirmative button to the right of the cancel button, IMHO |
| 22:38.37 | PaxAnima | right = leftr |
| 22:39.03 | mallum | cmarqu: matchbox will do no border and no title |
| 22:39.15 | mallum | cmarqu: but not just border |
| 22:39.48 | cmarqu | mallum: Would it be hard to implement to have just the border? |
| 22:40.23 | mallum | cmarqu: what are you trying to solve ? |
| 22:41.51 | cmarqu | mallum: the GNOME HIG says that "alerts" (message boxes) should have no title string, but pb_ thinks (and he may be right) that it looks better if there is no title bar at all. |
| 22:42.19 | cmarqu | mallum: Right now, we have http://handhelds.org/scap/port.4924.png |
| 22:43.07 | mallum | cmarqu: I get it as a titleless window at the moment |
| 22:44.54 | mallum | cmarqu: and think I always have |
| 22:45.56 | mallum | 24 is on, biab |
| 22:46.50 | cmarqu | mallum: Right now, it doesn't have any decorations. Agreed, current themes don't put a border around the window anyway, so having just a border would be visually the same as no decorations at all. |
| 22:51.02 | moray | cmarqu: I think that on a desktop it makes sense to have a titlebar, since if you want to deal with another application first it's good to be able to move the message out of the way easily |
| 22:51.05 | moray | cmarqu: (this is less clearly useful on a handheld, yes) |
| 22:52.56 | cmarqu | moray: Yes. (although Gnome2's log out dialog also doesn't have decorations) |
| 22:53.14 | cmarqu | And this is the generic question widget, not only used for gpe-logout.sh |
| 22:53.22 | spung | cmarqu: i think current themes do put borders around dialogs? |
| 22:53.49 | cmarqu | spung: current MB themes? If so, they are very small. |
| 22:53.52 | moray | cmarqu: their log out box stops you from doing anything else, and is implemented separately presumably |
| 22:54.03 | cmarqu | moray: Yup. |
| 22:54.32 | cmarqu | It's probably not worth the effort to implement this too. |
| 22:55.04 | spung | cmarqu: the scap you mentioned a moment ago does have a border |
| 22:55.17 | moray | it doesn't seem a priority certainly; the benefit would mostly be in showing you're about to lose unsaved work or whatever, which shouldn't be happening in general with GPE programs |
| 22:55.31 | cmarqu | spung: That one dark line? Okay then :) |
| 22:55.43 | cmarqu | s/one/one pixel/ |
| 22:55.53 | spung | cmarqu: :) btw, what font is that? |
| 22:56.06 | cmarqu | spung: Luxi I guess. |
| 22:56.14 | pb_ | cmarqu: yeah, a one-pixel border is enough I think. You just need something to stop the window merging with another behind it, if they happen to have the same background colour. |
| 22:56.42 | spung | cmarqu: ahh.. i'm glad that's not bitstream vera |
| 22:58.40 | cmarqu | pb_: gpe-question has a bug with icon handling; you cannot leave out the icon name as the usage info suggests. |
| 22:58.57 | pb_ | cmarqu: Ah. |
| 22:58.59 | pb_ | cmarqu: what happens? |
| 22:59.10 | cmarqu | I.e., --buttons !gtk-cancel "Log out" segfaults |
| 22:59.19 | pb_ | Ah. |
| 23:00.52 | dan_t | pb_: if i send you a tarball with the libbtctl (bluetooth control gobject library) can you look it and tell me what you think ? |
| 23:00.58 | cmarqu | The reason I discovered this is that we shouldn't have an icon for "Log out" since the OK stock button seems to be reserved for a button saying "OK", and only for that. |
| 23:01.17 | pb_ | dan_t: sure |
| 23:01.29 | dan_t | pb_: your email address ? |
| 23:01.33 | pb_ | pb@handhelds.org |
| 23:01.43 | pb_ | cmarqu: Ah, I wasn't aware of that. |
| 23:03.25 | moray | cmarqu: maybe the overall icon should be the question one, and the button icon the 'log out' icon? |
| 23:03.29 | cmarqu | A workaround would be --buttons !gtk-cancel "none:Log out" |
| 23:03.55 | cmarqu | moray: Maybe. The question icon was there before, I'm not sure. |
| 23:04.34 | moray | cmarqu: the GNOME one has a question icon, and just an OK button - my UI instincts would still prefer a 'Log out' button though |
| 23:04.38 | pb_ | moray: Yeah, I thought of that, but I'm not sure the current "log out" icon would look sensible when resized down. |
| 23:04.44 | moray | pb_: true :/ |
| 23:05.09 | cmarqu | moray: ACK. Descriptive text seems to be the preferred way in the HIG in genral. |
| 23:05.53 | cmarqu | Too bad even the HIG itself is inconsistent. |
| 23:06.05 | pb_ | Yeah. The HIG is pretty clear (and I think I agree with this) that it is better to have an imperative verb in the button to make it absolutely clear what will happen when you click there. |
| 23:06.41 | PaxAnima | phew... done reading the button ordering thread... |
| 23:07.02 | cmarqu | http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/1.0/images/alert-spacing.png -- this also has only two icons in the whole dialog, and it looks good. |
| 23:07.04 | moray | apart from anything else, a lot of people assume that any 'OK' button can just be clicked on without causing great damage, thanks to e.g. repetitive pointless questions from Microsoft products ;) |
| 23:07.50 | cmarqu | I'd keep it as it is right now, minus the OK stock icon. |
| 23:07.59 | pb_ | Yes. Which is fine until you encounter "files not saved, exit anyway" kind of things. |
| 23:09.11 | dan_t | \j #svn |
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| 23:13.55 | cmarqu | Again, please edit http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/GPEMarketing -- it's a rough draft, but I only have a few more days left. |
| 23:17.53 | cmarqu | I'm off to bed. Night all. |
| 23:18.00 | PaxAnima | night |
| 23:32.55 | mallum | cmarqu: have you gone ? |
