| 00:04.11 | jg | mallum: come and get them.... |
| 00:09.36 | jg | pb_: see www.gnome.org/fonts |
| 00:22.35 | pb_ | jg: ah, cool. |
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| 00:34.09 | dc_ibook | ack.. |
| 00:34.15 | dc_ibook | mallum: those cards were broadcom :{ |
| 00:34.23 | dc_ibook | mallum: time to order some other ones. |
| 00:36.36 | mallum | dc_ibook: :( |
| 00:36.52 | mallum | jg: got em cool , MANY thanks for all your work on this |
| 00:37.05 | mallum | cmarqu: no |
| 00:37.16 | dc_ibook | mallum: what card would you recommend? |
| 00:38.07 | mallum | dc_ibook: Im not not, pc world have loads of pci ones in quite cheaply - I just go in, there open up the boxes and see if you can see whats noted on the chips sets |
| 00:38.22 | dc_ibook | hrm |
| 00:38.54 | dc_ibook | problem is there's no pcworld nearby |
| 00:38.55 | jg | mallum: and thanks to Bitstream.... |
| 00:41.34 | mallum | jg: of course, but there not in the channel ;-) |
| 00:41.45 | jg | mallum: true. |
| 00:42.32 | mallum | jg: have you added stuff ot you fonts.conf to get them to match ? |
| 00:43.14 | mallum | jg: oh right I see it on the page |
| 00:45.51 | jg | *never* touch fonts.conf.... |
| 00:46.05 | jg | If you think you have to touch it, talk to keithp... |
| 00:46.14 | jg | Any system customization should be in local.conf |
| 00:47.31 | mallum | jg: yep I know ... ;-) |
| 00:52.23 | mallum | jg: if I pass the exact the name the fc-list gives me for the font, then it should get matched right ? |
| 00:56.43 | jg | mallum: I expect so. |
| 00:58.54 | mallum | jg: its ok I've got it |
| 01:00.41 | jg | mallum: happyness is new fonts, eh? |
| 01:01.49 | jg | mallum: of course, if you've installed your local.conf, you can just say "sans" or some such.... |
| 01:03.10 | mallum | jg: there all pretty fine, and seem great at 8pt |
| 01:04.13 | dc_ibook | http://ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=33667 |
| 01:04.17 | dc_ibook | mallum: have a look at that |
| 01:04.42 | mallum | jg: I like the serif, it kind of like m$ georgia but a bit nicer |
| 01:04.42 | dc_ibook | mallum: the Mrf Part# is DWL-520 |
| 01:04.54 | dc_ibook | but all the text mentions DWL-520+ |
| 01:05.02 | dc_ibook | which isn't supported. |
| 01:05.34 | mallum | dc_ibook: hmmmm |
| 01:05.41 | dc_ibook | but then |
| 01:05.43 | dc_ibook | http://ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=41594 |
| 01:05.59 | dc_ibook | that looks like the actualy DWL-520+ they sell |
| 01:06.06 | dc_ibook | and they must have just copied the text. |
| 01:06.22 | mallum | dc_ibook: maybe call them up |
| 01:06.39 | dc_ibook | :\ |
| 01:06.48 | dc_ibook | that requires a phone. |
| 01:07.02 | dc_ibook | mallum: maybe dabs is worth a try |
| 01:08.08 | mallum | dc_ibook: yeah |
| 01:08.22 | mallum | dc_ibook: ebuyer have crap customer service |
| 01:08.28 | dc_ibook | true |
| 01:09.58 | mallum | dc_ibook: http://www.gnomedesktop.org/article.php?sid=950 <-- I have an apt source for this |
| 01:10.20 | mallum | dc_ibook: deb http://debian.usefulinc.com/gnome/ ./ |
| 01:11.26 | dc_ibook | that's quite nice |
| 01:12.34 | mallum | dc_ibook: yeah it pretty cool |
| 01:12.41 | dc_ibook | but...just another galeon no? |
| 01:13.01 | mallum | dc_ibook: feels a little more streamlined than galeon |
| 01:13.13 | mallum | dc_ibook: + its done my the orig galeon author I think |
| 01:13.15 | dc_ibook | :] |
| 01:13.25 | mallum | dc_ibook: the interface is really nice and clean |
| 01:13.49 | mallum | ok bedtime, now for me |
| 01:14.03 | mallum | gnight all |
| 01:14.05 | dc_ibook | :] |
| 01:14.08 | dc_ibook | night |
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| 03:08.14 | pigeon | Anyone planned to write an app to adjust backlight automatically with /proc/hal/light_sensor? |
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| 07:51.49 | florian | hi all! |
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| 09:08.45 | PaxAnima | morning |
| 09:08.55 | pigeon | Good morning PaxAnima. |
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| 10:05.59 | pigeon | Hmm mbmenu can't do command with ";" anymore? |
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| 10:14.05 | pigeon | Hmm. |
| 10:14.37 | pigeon | Something seems to lock up X when I switch the virtual terminal back to X. |
| 10:16.12 | pigeon | This is bad. : |
| 10:18.29 | pigeon | Is there a program I can check which process is using cpu? |
| 10:20.29 | mallum | top ? |
| 10:20.57 | pigeon | mallum: Hmm on the ipaq? |
| 10:32.54 | pigeon | Oh greate. |
| 10:32.54 | pigeon | Switch to the console, switch back to X, X will die. |
| 10:32.54 | pigeon | Don't think it used to do this before :\ |
| 10:32.56 | pigeon | mallum: Any ideas? |
| 10:32.56 | mallum | pigeon: no, maybe poke around the tinyx source code |
| 10:32.56 | pigeon | Hmm it happens after all this upgrade :( |
| 10:32.57 | pigeon | Ok, it's not matchbox :P |
| 10:32.57 | mallum | pigeon: does it actually crash or just lock up ? |
| 10:32.57 | pigeon | I think it locks up a while and crashed (or the process disappears), leaving the terminal unreset, can't even switch vt anymore after that. |
| 10:32.57 | pigeon | chvt will hang, etc. |
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| 10:46.51 | pigeon | Segmentation fault Xipaq |
| 10:46.51 | pigeon | It is a segv. |
| 10:46.51 | pigeon | In fact. |
| 10:46.51 | pigeon | Run Xipaq, chvt to a console, chvt back to X, X locks up, if I try to chvt to a console again, Xipaq will segv. |
| 10:46.51 | pigeon | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. |
| 10:46.51 | pigeon | 0x0003ad6c in strcpy () |
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| 10:48.43 | pigeon | pb_: I just discovered a segv in Xipaq :( |
| 10:49.19 | pb_ | pigeon: :-( |
| 10:49.34 | pigeon | bt saying segv in strcpy -.- |
| 10:49.45 | pb_ | is it reproducible? |
| 10:53.41 | pigeon | Yes. |
| 10:53.51 | pigeon | [21:44:00] [#gpe] <pigeon> Run Xipaq, chvt to a console, chvt back to X, X locks |
| 10:53.53 | pigeon | up, if I try to chvt to a console again, Xipaq will segv. |
| 10:55.56 | pigeon | If you're bored enough, try that on yours and see if that happens. |
| 10:58.21 | pb_ | Ah right, I'll try that in just a minute. |
| 11:06.48 | pb_ | You should file in bugzilla for that issue if you haven't already. |
| 11:08.52 | pb_ | Ah yes, that does seem to happen to me as well. |
| 11:09.15 | pb_ | At least, I did some chvts and ended up back at the login screen, which I guess is a symptom of the server crashing. |
| 14:05.03 | cmarqu_werk | . |
| 14:10.56 | mallum | .. |
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| 15:09.11 | mallum | hey jg |
| 15:09.52 | jg | mallum: hi. |
| 15:52.44 | jg | mallum: I hope you like the fonts :-). |
| 15:53.13 | mallum | jg: ah yes indeedy |
| 15:53.52 | mallum | jg: Im currently battling win2k to try out this rootless Xfree |
| 15:54.10 | mallum | jg: unfortunatly I can only get in too play with 2 of my 3 monitors :( |
| 15:54.39 | jg | mallum: you should run some other operating system :-). |
| 16:22.03 | mallum | jg: yeah Im about to install VMS |
| 16:22.34 | mallum | jg: X with Linux works fine across the monitors of course :-) |
| 16:22.53 | jg | mallum: you got a vax or alpha kicking around? (though I believe they've booted on Itanium as well). :-) |
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| 16:23.04 | mallum | jg: this rootless win32 xfree server is a bit wierd |
| 16:23.12 | mallum | jg: of course not !!! ;-) |
| 16:23.48 | mallum | jg: isn't it about time xfree had a better defualt wm than twm ? |
| 16:30.22 | jg | mallum: why bother: KDE and Gnome, among others, build window managers.... |
| 16:31.49 | mallum | jg: of course, its just the win32 xfree and dumped with twm *shudder* ;-) |
| 16:31.50 | cmarqu_werk | I recently put "Vera" as the first name in the font list in the stylesheet for gpe.handhelds.org/. Is that the right name? |
| 16:32.22 | cmarqu_werk | Or should I use "Vera Serif" or something? |
| 16:33.05 | mallum | cmarqu I think its Bitstream Vera Serif |
| 16:33.15 | mallum | cmarqu: thats what fc-list idetifys it as anyway |
| 16:33.51 | cmarqu_werk | And fc-list identifies Verdana as "Verdana"? |
| 16:34.07 | cmarqu_werk | THen I need to change it indeed. |
| 16:36.29 | cmarqu_werk | The fonts are now in the "don't distribute" phase I suppose? I would be interested in how gpe-login and gpe-ownerinfo look with Vera (in a reasonable size). |
| 16:37.08 | mallum | cmarqu_werk: just make a ~/.fonts directory and copy the fonts in there |
| 16:37.16 | mallum | cmarqu: then run fc-cache |
| 16:37.25 | moray | mallum: I didn't need to run that even I think |
| 16:37.28 | mallum | cmarqu: and use xsettinsg to set the gtk font to one of them |
| 16:37.43 | mallum | moray: true you may not need to |
| 16:37.45 | moray | mallum: (oh, I haven't tried on an ipaq yet) |
| 16:38.15 | pb_ | cmarqu_werk: it might be interesting to provide an updated familiar-postinst to download the vera fonts in the same way as the MS webfonts. |
| 16:38.25 | moray | hm, true |
| 16:38.57 | cmarqu_werk | Oh, so they can be downloaded already now? |
| 16:39.41 | pb_ | cmarqu_werk: I think so, see gnome.org/fonts or some such. |
| 16:41.05 | mallum | jg: developer day looks cool |
| 16:41.15 | jg | cmarqu_werk: yes, you can download them: enjoy... See www.gnome.org/fonts |
| 16:41.17 | cmarqu_werk | Oh cool. |
| 16:41.34 | cmarqu_werk | jg: Thanks very much for your work on this. |
| 16:41.54 | jg | cmarqu_werk: you are welcome. |
| 16:57.41 | cmarqu_werk | BBL |
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| 17:04.18 | jsmanrique | hello |
| 17:04.29 | jsmanrique | just some minutes to say "hello" to everybody |
| 17:05.10 | pb_ | hi jsmanrique |
| 17:05.22 | jsmanrique | long time without being here |
| 17:16.10 | jsmanrique | :-) |
| 17:24.19 | jsmanrique | see you one of thses days |
| 17:24.27 | jsmanrique | when exams end |
| 17:24.35 | jsmanrique | best wishes |
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| 17:32.03 | Ducttape | Hello |
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| 17:33.07 | Ducttape | Anyone here able to answer a simple Question about GPE? |
| 17:33.29 | pb_ | Ducttape: what's your question? |
| 17:34.32 | Ducttape | If I install GPE, can I still run X programs on it assiff I was runnning say matchbox and 'normal' X? |
| 17:34.51 | pb_ | Ducttape: yes. |
| 17:35.13 | Ducttape | Does it include its own WM tooo? |
| 17:36.07 | pb_ | GPE ships with matchbox. |
| 17:36.12 | Ducttape | ah right |
| 17:36.22 | Ducttape | Can I rotate the screen? |
| 17:36.43 | pb_ | Sure. |
| 17:37.17 | Ducttape | ANything Opie did which GPE wont? |
| 17:38.00 | pb_ | Opie probably has more (advanced) applications, but I don't think there are any core features in Opie that are missing in GPE. |
| 17:38.04 | dan_t | mallum: i have seen gnome bluettoh libbtcl library and i think i'll use it for gpe-bluetooth |
| 17:38.48 | Ducttape | Does Opera or a similiar browser work on GPE? |
| 17:39.04 | pb_ | I don't know about Opera. You can use Dillo. |
| 17:39.43 | Ducttape | How well does DIllo work? |
| 17:40.11 | pb_ | It doesn't do frames, ssl, java or javascript, but the basic functionality seems to work ok. |
| 17:40.56 | Ducttape | Hmmm, ssl is a pain, but I suppose I can always ssh into my box here and use links for that |
| 17:41.27 | Ducttape | how much space does GPE use? |
| 17:41.52 | pb_ | A full install of familiar+gpe is about 14MB. |
| 17:42.13 | pb_ | obviously you can remove applications that you don't want, which will reduce the footprint somewhat. |
| 17:43.53 | Ducttape | Hmmm. |
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| 17:46.20 | mallum | dan_t: cool :-) |
| 17:46.49 | dan_t | mallum: i'm reading gtk documentation on how gobject interface works |
| 17:46.58 | Ducttape | Ok, slightly OT question now, my Ipaq is sshed into my linux box, but it wont let me ssh into it, and it isn't responding to pings! |
| 17:47.02 | Ducttape | any ideas? |
| 17:50.32 | dan_t | mallum: do you know gnome-bluetooth auhor ? |
| 17:54.00 | mallum | dan_t: no |
| 17:59.52 | cmarqu | http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2003-February/msg00009.html -- yes! |
| 18:01.46 | mallum | cmarqu: cool :-) |
| 18:01.53 | mallum | cmarqu: who is that guy I wonder ? |
| 18:03.31 | cmarqu | jrb? I know his name from GTK/Gnome lists. |
| 18:04.12 | cmarqu | Funny that he writes the same as I did yesterday on the usabilityy list... |
| 18:12.35 | *** topic/#gpe by pb_ -> GPE Palmtop Environment | http://gpe.handhelds.org | http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/CurrentThingsToDo | http://europa.debian.org/bugzilla | bootgpe2 images now in http://handhelds.org/~pb/unstable/ (latest is pb10) | Familiar 0.7 issues: http://www.handhelds.org/bugzilla/showdependencytree.cgi?id=99 | Please every body hammer matchbox, reporting bugs to bugzilla |
| 18:14.49 | mallum | cmarqu: ah yes I know who you mean |
| 18:15.04 | mallum | cmarqu: are the usability / gtk-dev lists very interesting ? |
| 18:16.43 | cmarqu | mallum: I am only on usability and gtk-app-dev. Usability is interesting from time to time, and fairly low-volume. |
| 18:17.32 | Ducttape | whats bootgpe2? |
| 18:20.29 | cmarqu | Ducttape: boot images with GPE included. |
| 18:20.39 | Ducttape | ah right |
| 18:20.47 | Ducttape | whats the idea behing that? |
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| 18:21.16 | mallum | HET2: hello |
| 18:21.22 | cmarqu | Giving you a full featured GPE "desktop" without needing to download additional package. |
| 18:24.03 | cmarqu | Ducttape: then the bootstrap images are the right thing, I don't know if they got all bugfixes that bootgpe2 has seen (if they need them at all) |
| 18:24.17 | cmarqu | +though |
| 18:24.49 | Ducttape | hmmm |
| 18:26.00 | HET2 | hi mallum |
| 18:27.00 | mallum | HET2: hows opie ? |
| 18:28.04 | HET2 | hehe |
| 18:29.20 | mallum | HET2: laughable ? |
| 18:29.23 | HET2 | working |
| 18:29.27 | mallum | HET2: surely thats not good |
| 18:29.31 | HET2 | space conserving |
| 18:30.03 | HET2 | or are you guys using the gtk framebuffer driver yet |
| 18:30.10 | mallum | HAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 18:30.20 | mallum | HET2: you sure are a funny guy |
| 18:30.33 | HET2 | oh |
| 18:30.34 | HET2 | okay |
| 18:31.31 | cmarqu | Actually, sven over at #gtk wanted to try to compile GPE on gtkfb a while ago. |
| 18:32.16 | mallum | yeah and Im actually working on a gtkfb matchbox port |
| 18:32.35 | HET2 | once you get gtkfb working i might try gpe |
| 18:32.43 | HET2 | right now i have far from enough space for x |
| 18:33.21 | mallum | HET2: wow you must have a really tiny filesystem |
| 18:33.33 | HET2 | i've only 16mb flash |
| 18:33.37 | moray | so've I |
| 18:33.47 | moray | and plenty of other people |
| 18:33.47 | HET2 | and how much space does your sys leave you? |
| 18:33.50 | mallum | HET2: I've got X / matchbox / kernel / busybox in 4MB of flash before with 800k free |
| 18:34.06 | Ducttape | mallum: how? |
| 18:34.09 | mallum | HET2: will opie fit in 4 Megs |
| 18:34.16 | HET2 | urm no idea |
| 18:34.20 | mallum | Ducttape: voodoo |
| 18:34.24 | mallum | HET2: It wont |
| 18:34.32 | HET2 | mallum: then tell me how to stuff it into 4mb |
| 18:34.33 | HET2 | :) |
| 18:34.33 | Ducttape | mallum: its those chicken sacrifices again isn't it? |
| 18:34.37 | HET2 | then i will try gpe |
| 18:35.00 | mallum | Ducttape: well I mainly sacrifice the chickens and then eat there feat to make my bum bigger like J-lo's |
| 18:35.10 | Ducttape | lol |
| 18:35.25 | moray | HET2: the whole GPE image (with all our optional apps installed) easily fits into 16MB |
| 18:35.36 | Ducttape | with the kernel etc...? |
| 18:35.47 | moray | yes |
| 18:35.49 | Ducttape | Does anyone know if linux supports the dual PCMCIA jackets? |
| 18:35.57 | mallum | Ducttape: http://handhelds.org/~mallum/screenshots/matchbox-tuxscreen-01.png |
| 18:36.09 | pb_ | Ducttape: I believe it does. |
| 18:36.35 | Ducttape | mallum: what is that on? |
| 18:36.43 | HET2 | Ducttape: i am using a dual pcmcia jacket |
| 18:36.48 | HET2 | Ducttape: no problem |
| 18:37.10 | HET2 | mallum: hmm shall i really fix a working system? |
| 18:37.49 | mallum | Ducttape: it may be a better bet to get one of the dual cf jackets |
| 18:38.03 | HET2 | mallum: dual pcmcia is neat for cf & lan |
| 18:38.04 | mallum | Ducttape: the dual pcmcia jacket is rediculouly large |
| 18:38.09 | HET2 | i might get wlan at some point... |
| 18:38.12 | Ducttape | Wow, DIllo is fast |
| 18:38.14 | HET2 | yah it IS pretty huge |
| 18:38.33 | Ducttape | mallum: I need it to be PCMCIA so I can use a real 802.11 card |
| 18:38.36 | mallum | HET2: turns you handheld into a laptop |
| 18:38.48 | HET2 | mallum: humm |
| 18:38.50 | mallum | Ducttape: you can get cf wlan cards |
| 18:39.02 | Ducttape | mallum: with external antennas? Thats what I mean by real! |
| 18:39.22 | HET2 | mallum: is there an official gpe site? |
| 18:39.44 | Ducttape | I have a 802.11b card I connect up to a 56db gain antenna, you can't do that with a CF card |
| 18:40.36 | HET2 | whats 802.11b? |
| 18:40.42 | Ducttape | Wireless LAN |
| 18:40.47 | HET2 | ah |
| 18:40.50 | mallum | HET2: gpe.handhelds.org |
| 18:41.44 | HET2 | mallum: is there a task install for gpe? |
| 18:42.02 | HET2 | so i can just uninstall opie and slam gpe onto my ipaq? |
| 18:50.26 | Ducttape | well putting task-gpe into the ipkg search on handhelds.org doesn't find one |
| 18:50.44 | pb_ | the metapackage is called "gpe2". |
| 18:54.15 | Ducttape | erm, why does ipkg remove not remove all dependencies? |
| 19:00.58 | HET2 | hrm |
| 19:01.02 | HET2 | mallum went bye bye |
| 19:01.18 | Ducttape | how do I upgrade my book loader |
| 19:02.59 | HET2 | is there a gpe task image? |
| 19:03.50 | Ducttape | its called GPE2 |
| 19:04.55 | HET2 | Ducttape: what? |
| 19:05.16 | Ducttape | the task image is called gpe2 |
| 19:06.23 | moray | if you mean a filesystem image, they're usually in the topic here |
| 19:07.42 | HET2 | hrm |
| 19:07.50 | HET2 | why did mallum say something about 4mb |
| 19:07.58 | HET2 | the thing is 12.5mb large |
| 19:08.20 | moray | HET2: as he said, he's got a small X-based system into 4 MB, which is less than a minimal Opie system fits into |
| 19:08.40 | moray | HET2: the image there includes e.g. various games, as well as the core system and PIM applications |
| 19:09.10 | HET2 | oh well i might as well reflash :) |
| 19:09.45 | Ducttape | how do I use minicom to upload a file? |
| 19:09.47 | moray | HET2: probably easiest, if you've backed up your data first |
| 19:10.04 | moray | Ducttape: control-a s or something> |
| 19:10.15 | HET2 | moray: i dont keep unbacked data on my ipaq |
| 19:10.26 | moray | HET2: good, just checking ;) |
| 19:10.35 | HET2 | :) |
| 19:10.37 | HET2 | very kind of you |
| 19:11.44 | Ducttape | risk of turning ipaq into a brick - HIGH! |
| 19:14.36 | dan_t | ciao |
| 19:19.51 | Ducttape | anyone about? |
| 19:30.15 | moray | Ducttape: asking a more specific question will get you further |
| 19:30.54 | moray | Ducttape: people normally only answer "anyone about?" type questions if they're bored ;) |
| 19:31.29 | moray | Ducttape: also, if you ask a specific question, someone can answer it while you're not watching IRC, whereas this way we have no idea what you wanted to know |
| 19:35.43 | Ducttape | ah ok |
| 19:36.21 | stargirl | heh |
| 19:36.32 | Ducttape | 1 meg to go |
| 19:36.43 | stargirl | ooh |
| 19:36.53 | Ducttape | just oever infact |
| 19:37.41 | Ducttape | whats the md5sum for bootgpe? |
| 19:37.59 | stargirl | dunno offhand |
| 19:38.20 | HET2 | it's 1423453243241232143242:123 |
| 19:38.22 | Ducttape | 900K left |
| 19:38.38 | Ducttape | freemadi@black:~/downloads/ipaq$ md5sum bootgpe-v061-01.jffs2 |
| 19:38.38 | Ducttape | 5d247d35f7b1072df82820f7e565bef1 bootgpe-v061-01.jffs2 |
| 19:38.40 | HET2 | :/ |
| 19:38.49 | HET2 | serial cradle is a pain |
| 19:38.54 | Ducttape | mines 9.9 gig |
| 19:39.04 | Ducttape | aye, serial is slow |
| 19:39.04 | HET2 | err |
| 19:39.08 | HET2 | gig like in gigabyte? |
| 19:39.10 | Ducttape | meg not gig |
| 19:39.13 | HET2 | oh |
| 19:39.25 | HET2 | i got the pb bootgpe image |
| 19:39.25 | cmarqu | Ducttape: didn't you want to do it the old-fashioned way? |
| 19:39.48 | Ducttape | cmarqu: I am, over serial, using load root |
| 19:40.12 | Ducttape | done! |
| 19:40.18 | cmarqu | Ducttape: you are maybe better off using the unstable bootgpe2 images. |
| 19:40.24 | Ducttape | why? |
| 19:40.59 | Ducttape | and could you not have said a before I transfered 9.9 meg over the serial link :o) |
| 19:42.43 | Ducttape | Oh <seeme> |
| 19:42.49 | Ducttape | Unrecognized kernel image |
| 19:44.06 | cmarqu | Ducttape: I thought you meant getting a bootstrap plus the packages afterward |
| 19:45.04 | Ducttape | I would normally but just found that you can do it as one, thought I would try it |
| 19:45.05 | Ducttape | didn't work |
| 19:45.16 | Ducttape | doesn't like the kernel image |
| 19:45.24 | Ducttape | the md5 is right |
| 19:45.35 | cmarqu | What iPAQ model is that? |
| 19:45.58 | Ducttape | 3630 |
| 19:46.05 | cmarqu | Hmm. |
| 19:46.30 | cmarqu | I'd get a bootgpe2 from the link in the topic |
| 19:46.42 | Ducttape | what does that have? |
| 19:47.03 | cmarqu | Bugfixes. And newer stuff. |
| 19:47.15 | cmarqu | And it needs testing :) |
| 19:47.33 | Ducttape | lol |
| 19:47.42 | Ducttape | well the otherone failed, so what the hell |
| 19:48.02 | cmarqu | Ducttape: Can't you use the CF-loading procedure? It worked well for me. |
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| 19:48.16 | Ducttape | erm, I could |
| 19:48.33 | Ducttape | if I had a way of getting the image onto the cf card, the only cf device Ihave is the ipaq |
| 19:48.45 | cmarqu | Ah :/ |
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| 19:52.03 | HET2 | hia pb |
| 19:52.08 | Ducttape | Gah, this is painful |
| 19:52.09 | Ducttape | hi pb_ |
| 19:52.10 | pb_ | hi gang |
| 19:52.21 | Ducttape | my serial link is almost as fast as the adsl! |
| 19:52.57 | pigeon | pb_: morning |
| 19:53.04 | pb_ | hey pigeon |
| 19:53.15 | pigeon | pb_: so you got the crash as well? |
| 19:53.22 | pb_ | pigeon: yeah. did you file in bugzilla? |
| 19:53.49 | pigeon | pb_: Not yet. Wanna make sure it's reproducable by you first :) |
| 19:53.52 | Ducttape | right, now to wait for 12 meg to load |
| 19:54.11 | pb_ | pigeon: let me see if I can make it happen on my h3900 also. |
| 19:54.23 | pigeon | pb_: cool |
| 19:54.33 | pb_ | just gotta wait for ipkg upgrade to finish. |
| 19:54.39 | Ducttape | whats the checksum for 77ab90a77ae6bb815123273539323f92 bootgpe2-pb10-h3600.jffs2 |
| 19:55.15 | pb_ | I've created some .md5sum files in the same directory now. |
| 19:55.30 | pb_ | 77ab90a77ae6bb815123273539323f92 bootgpe2-pb10-h3600.jffs2 is correct. |
| 19:56.10 | Ducttape | yay |
| 19:56.30 | cmarqu | pb_: I'm playing a bit with the gpe-login layout, or do you want to do it? |
| 19:56.39 | pb_ | cmarqu: Go ahead. |
| 19:59.42 | pb_ | pigeon: Yes, I see the crash on the h3900 also. |
| 19:59.51 | pigeon | pb_: Yay! |
| 19:59.56 | pb_ | It seems to have taken out gpe-dm too this time, which is a bit alarming. |
| 20:00.44 | moray | GPE trip to GUADEC in June? http://www.guadec.org/ |
| 20:00.57 | pb_ | moray: Dublin? sounds like fun. |
| 20:01.16 | moray | not too far away to get to |
| 20:01.37 | pb_ | Indeed not. It's about 40 minutes' flying time from Stansted. |
| 20:02.04 | Ducttape | pb_: where are you? |
| 20:02.08 | pb_ | Ducttape: Cambridge |
| 20:02.24 | stargirl | moray: I'm up for that |
| 20:02.55 | Ducttape | pb_: Canterbury, originally from Ipswich |
| 20:03.02 | pb_ | Ducttape: aha, cool. |
| 20:03.04 | moray | stargirl: I'll add it to my list of dates |
| 20:03.15 | stargirl | moray: and debconf and debcamp? |
| 20:03.29 | pb_ | stargirl: what dates are those? |
| 20:03.59 | stargirl | Debconf 3 will be held in Oslo, from July 18th to July 20th |
| 20:04.00 | stargirl | 2003, with debcamp preceeding it, from July 12th to July 17th. |
| 20:04.02 | pigeon | Anyone knows where GDK_PIXMAP_XID is defined? |
| 20:04.47 | cmarqu | pigeon: <gdk/gdk.h> |
| 20:05.16 | pigeon | Hmm is it in gdk1? |
| 20:05.20 | pb_ | stargirl: Ah, okay, still quite a long way off then. |
| 20:05.41 | stargirl | yes :-) |
| 20:05.43 | cmarqu | pigeon: Oh, don't know. |
| 20:05.47 | stargirl | I like to plan ahead though :-) |
| 20:05.49 | pigeon | Hmm ok... |
| 20:06.25 | moray | stargirl: since when? :p |
| 20:06.53 | stargirl | bah |
| 20:06.56 | stargirl | :-P |
| 20:07.20 | pigeon | In fact I can't even find GDK_PIXMAP_XID in all the headers... is that like VERY new? |
| 20:07.44 | Ducttape | Does the blackdown JVM work with GPE? |
| 20:08.29 | pb_ | pigeon: looks like it is gtk2 only |
| 20:08.40 | pb_ | Ducttape: if it works with X, should work with GPE. |
| 20:08.45 | cmarqu | pigeon: Uhm, I just fired up devhelp and typed it in... |
| 20:08.59 | pigeon | The funny thing is I can't even find it in my gtk2 headers. |
| 20:09.04 | pb_ | pigeon: it's in gdkx.h |
| 20:09.17 | pigeon | Doh! |
| 20:09.21 | pigeon | Hmm I know why now. |
| 20:09.50 | pigeon | My gtk2.2 installed in /usr/local and I was greping in /usr ;) |
| 20:09.55 | pb_ | pigeon: doh :-) |
| 20:10.03 | Ducttape | lol |
| 20:12.24 | Ducttape | wooo, 7 meg transfered |
| 20:12.43 | Ducttape | why is the unstable version of GPE 3 meg bigger than the one on the hh website? |
| 20:13.08 | pb_ | Ducttape: do you have a URL for the "one on the hh website"? |
| 20:13.25 | Ducttape | http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.6.1/install/bootgpe-v061-01.jffs2 |
| 20:13.46 | pb_ | Ducttape: ah, that's the old gpe1 codebase. |
| 20:13.53 | pb_ | it included fewer applications for one thing. |
| 20:13.59 | Ducttape | what do I get for my extra memory then in GPE2? |
| 20:14.13 | Ducttape | and does it have an mp3 player installed by default? |
| 20:14.26 | pb_ | It does, though I'm not sure it is working all that well right at the moment. |
| 20:14.37 | Ducttape | oh? |
| 20:14.42 | pb_ | I don't remember exactly what is new between gpe1 and gpe2 to be honest. |
| 20:14.48 | pigeon | Hmm anyone knows if there's a reserve for gdk_pixmap_lookup in gtk1? |
| 20:14.57 | pigeon | s/reserve/reverse/ |
| 20:17.06 | pigeon | Or rather getting the Pixmap from a GdkPixmap? |
| 20:19.12 | HET2 | unf |
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| 20:27.51 | Ducttape | I sure as hell hope this works! |
| 20:28.36 | cmarqu_ | Yes, gpe-nmf. |
| 20:28.47 | Ducttape | ? |
| 20:30.27 | Ducttape | ah, thats more like it |
| 20:31.04 | Ducttape | ok, why isn't it doing anything? |
| 20:31.57 | Ducttape | more like it |
| 20:32.57 | HET2 | has anybody been able to make a gameboy emu run with a 31xx? |
| 20:32.58 | Ducttape | Wow, shiney! |
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| 20:38.59 | florian | hi all! |
| 20:40.08 | HET2 | *snore* 7mb of 12 |
| 20:40.13 | HET2 | hi flo |
| 20:43.00 | cmarqu_ | Hi florian |
| 20:45.09 | florian | i think my gpe-conf forks more than it should... |
| 20:47.54 | cmarqu | forks? Like fork()? |
| 20:48.54 | florian | yep |
| 20:49.51 | florian | eiii.... |
| 20:50.12 | florian | ipkg upgrade killed my X |
| 20:53.41 | florian | i think the libXft package needs to run ldconfig from postinst script... |
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| 20:56.41 | pb__ | hrm |
| 20:57.07 | pb__ | seems X is malfunctioning on my desktop for some reason. |
| 20:58.20 | florian | pb__: did you run ipkg upgrade? |
| 20:58.34 | pb__ | florian: yes, why do you ask? |
| 20:58.39 | florian | pb__: hello... btw |
| 20:58.43 | pb__ | cmarqu: your patch looks good, please check it in. |
| 20:58.45 | pb__ | florian: hello :-) |
| 20:59.05 | pigeon | pb_: So I'll file a bugzilla later for Xipaq |
| 20:59.19 | cmarqu | pb__: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.9742.png -- this small bug with the laat line of address text is also present on the iPAQ fopQ for me |
| 20:59.32 | florian | pb__: i did the same, the libXft package lacks a run of ldconfig |
| 21:00.03 | pb__ | florian: ah yes, I noticed that. suggest you file against either libxft or libfontconfig, whichever is at fault. |
| 21:01.47 | pb__ | cmarqu: okay, I'll look at that as soon as I figure out what's wrong with my computer. |
| 21:03.46 | pb__ | cmarqu: maybe the scrollbar is not managing to get quite all the way to 1.0, or maybe there is some bug with the way I use the resulting value. |
| 21:04.17 | cmarqu | pb__: Take your time. |
| 21:04.37 | pb__ | pigeon: righto. |
| 21:06.26 | florian | pb__: does ipkg pass any arguments to postinst? |
| 21:06.46 | pb__ | florian: not sure. I suspect probably not. |
| 21:08.28 | florian | pb__: libXft2 postinst runs ldconfig only if first argument is "configure"... |
| 21:12.03 | pb__ | florian: ah, ok. let me check the source. |
| 21:13.07 | pb__ | florian: looks like it does indeed pass "configure", in fact. |
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| 21:13.47 | gooofy | hi :) |
| 21:14.16 | gooofy | is gpe available for zaurus handhelds ? |
| 21:14.20 | florian | gooofy: hellooo |
| 21:14.29 | gooofy | hi florian :) |
| 21:15.38 | florian | pb__: then it was something else that caused this... i'll look at libfontconfig |
| 21:16.09 | pb__ | florian: certainly the error I saw related to libfontconfig.so.6 not being found, so fontconfig would be my first suspect. |
| 21:16.45 | florian | pb__: i got this: xkbd: error while loading shared libraries: libXft.so.2: cannot open shared |
| 21:16.58 | pb__ | florian: ah, that's a different error to the one I saw. |
| 21:17.32 | pb__ | florian: bizarrely though it appears that neither fontconfig not xft has been upgraded recently. |
| 21:17.39 | pb__ | florian: maybe something else has trashed /etc/ld.so.conf. |
| 21:17.45 | pb__ | does that file belong to any package? |
| 21:18.00 | pb__ | like, hm, familiar-base or something |
| 21:18.27 | paul | bfn |
| 21:18.43 | florian | gooofy: i don't think that there are images or so, but you should be able to use it on a ipkg based dist |
| 21:19.04 | gooofy | florian: i have openzaurus installed on it |
| 21:19.31 | gooofy | just wondering if there are any gpe packages available that are known to work on the zaurus? |
| 21:20.07 | florian | pb__: that's it - familiar base was upgraded... |
| 21:20.28 | pb__ | ah. let me mention that to jamey. |
| 21:22.09 | florian | gooofy: i dont't know much about openzaurus... the basic dependecies for gpe are X and gtk2. I think it should be easy to chreate packages for openzaurus... |
| 21:24.22 | gooofy | not sure if am able to do that :> |
| 21:26.05 | florian | i think someone will start to do this after first gpe release... |
| 21:26.28 | gooofy | oki, so i will stick to opie until then :) |
| 21:27.06 | cmarqu | Does openzaurus provide a libgtk2.0-0package? |
| 21:27.51 | gooofy | dont't think so |
| 21:28.14 | cmarqu | That would be the first step. |
| 21:28.39 | gooofy | humm - compiling some sort of x server worries me more |
| 21:29.24 | gooofy | wouldn't that be the first step? |
| 21:29.42 | cmarqu | gooofy: from here http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org/details.phtml?package=libgpewidget1&official=&format= down the dependencies is the way |
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| 21:31.05 | gooofy | cmarqu: thanks |
| 21:31.34 | florian | i put a string to a pipe and read it out twice... is this good or is this bad? |
| 21:32.19 | cmarqu | Hmm, libgtk2.0-0 and gdk-pixbuf2-loader-png do have a circular dependency. |
| 21:32.43 | pb__ | cmarqu: yeah, but it should be fairly harmless. |
| 21:33.23 | cmarqu | Okay. |
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| 22:08.11 | mallum | heylo |
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| 22:16.57 | florian | good night |
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| 22:35.49 | Hallski | mallum: perhaps better to talk ipaqs and gpe here :) |
| 22:38.04 | mallum | Hallski: yeah I was thinking that too :-) |
| 22:38.19 | mallum | Hallski: you can just get a cable btw |
| 22:38.38 | Hallski | but I will have to get a new cradle too, right? |
| 22:38.59 | Hallski | of for a bit of phone, will you be around for a while? |
| 22:39.41 | mallum | sure will be about for another couple of hours |
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| 23:14.14 | mallum | ARRRRG! opie monsters chansing a kitten to eat -> http://www.dmason.net/tmp/godkills.jpg |
| 23:15.10 | pigeon | Hmm opie monsters... |
| 23:15.17 | stargirl | ooh scary!! |
| 23:15.43 | pigeon | Seems like everytime I see that photo, there's a different story for it :) |
| 23:16.16 | mallum | pigeon: yeah hehe |
| 23:16.31 | mallum | anyone seen gcalculator ? http://members.vol.at/home.floery/electronix/galculator/ |
| 23:17.01 | pigeon | mallum: Gee that looks like the kde calculator. |
| 23:17.57 | mallum | pigeon: well a calculaor is a calculator .... |
| 23:18.02 | pigeon | lol |
| 23:18.08 | mallum | pigeon: your very negative today :( |
| 23:18.15 | pigeon | :( |
| 23:19.04 | pb__ | mallum: you should install gpe-calculator some day. |
| 23:20.01 | mallum | pb__: is that different to minicalc ? |
| 23:20.18 | pb__ | mallum: yes. it is, in fact... galculator :-} |
| 23:20.35 | mallum | pb__: really ? |
| 23:20.40 | mallum | pb__: hehe :-) |
| 23:20.43 | pb__ | mallum: really. |
| 23:20.49 | pigeon | mallum: See how negative I am ;) |
| 23:21.12 | pb__ | mallum: mccarthy ported it. |
| 23:21.21 | mallum | pb__: do you have memprof installed on your desktop btw ? |
| 23:21.38 | pb__ | mallum: hm, not sure. my desktop is u/s at the moment. :-/ |
| 23:21.39 | mallum | pb__: aha, I'll install it |
| 23:21.49 | mallum | pb__: or laptop ... |
| 23:21.57 | pb__ | mallum: not on my laptop, no. |
| 23:22.24 | mallum | pb__: hmm, it wont run for me, Im trying to figure out if its a package problem or something up with my system |
| 23:22.47 | mallum | pb__: its complaining about loading libbfd-2.13.90.0.4.so, which seems to be part of binutils |
| 23:23.00 | pb__ | yeah, bfd is indeed part of binutils. |
| 23:23.03 | cmarqu | Hmm, that kitten is from animail, which we wanted to use in Storm :) |
| 23:23.36 | pb__ | let me try installing it now. |
| 23:23.44 | mallum | pb__: cool, thanks |
| 23:26.03 | pb__ | ok, installing now. it seems to want to upgrade loads of stuff, so it will take a minute or two, |
| 23:28.29 | pb__ | yeah, I see the same. To be honest, given the speed with which binutils changes in sid, it seems a bit of a bad plan to link apps against it dynamically. |
| 23:29.11 | pb__ | The memprof maintainer either needs to persuade Chris to package libbfd separately, or link that library static. I think the latter is probably the better course. |
| 23:29.54 | mallum | pb__: okey, is it likely to work if I build from source ? |
| 23:30.01 | pb__ | mallum: sure, that should work. |
| 23:30.11 | pb__ | mallum: the problem is just that it is linked against an older version of libbfd. |
| 23:30.45 | mallum | pb__: okey |
| 23:31.37 | mallum | pb__: I have matchbox switching themes on the fly now ( which is something I've wanted todo for a loonnnnnggg time ), but it seems to leak a bit of memory according to top so I wanna try and track that down |
| 23:31.54 | pb__ | ah right, cool. |
| 23:38.42 | mallum | pb__: arg, although it packaged for debian ppc, its actually an i386 only app :( |
| 23:38.55 | mallum | pb__: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/memprof-list/2002-October/msg00001.html |
| 23:39.04 | mallum | pb__: it compiles fine for powerpc too |
| 23:39.05 | pb__ | doh! |
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| 23:59.20 | Hallski | mallum: ok, back :) |
| 23:59.31 | Hallski | time to try to remember how I set up that ppp-stuff |
