| 00:01.03 | dc_ | pb_: on the subject of the gpe-calendar popup date selector. |
| 00:01.35 | dc_ | pb_: do we have any means of making the menu/popupwindow popup just below the parent button, like a menu does |
| 00:01.56 | pb_ | dc_: probably, yeah. |
| 00:02.01 | dc_ | pb_: or is there no way of finding out the onscreen position of a widget?? |
| 00:02.31 | pb_ | dc_: yeah, I think you can get the position. |
| 00:02.50 | dc_ | pb_: :} |
| 00:03.24 | pb_ | dc_: I'll see what I can do in that respect. |
| 00:03.28 | dc_ | pb_: how do you suggest we do? |
| 00:03.33 | dc_ | okay. |
| 00:03.50 | pb_ | dc_: ah, if you want to have a go, I guess you have to look at widget->allocation.x etc. |
| 00:04.32 | dc_ | are those documented anywhere? |
| 00:04.41 | pb_ | hrm, not sure. |
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| 00:05.01 | dan_t | today packaging problem: |
| 00:05.17 | dan_t | Downloading http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4 |
| 00:05.18 | dan_t | l/gpe-session-scripts_0.36_arm.ipk |
| 00:05.18 | dan_t | Upgrading gpe-session-scripts on root from 0.35 to 0.36... |
| 00:05.18 | dan_t | ERROR: Package gpe-session-scripts wants to install file /etc/X11/Xsession-gpe.d |
| 00:05.18 | dan_t | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.19 | dc_ | what fun dan_t |
| 00:05.22 | dan_t | Please move this file out of the way and try again. |
| 00:05.38 | dan_t | idem for /etc/X11/Xsession-gpe.d |
| 00:06.03 | dan_t | . |
| 00:06.12 | dan_t | 60xXDefaults |
| 00:06.18 | dan_t | 99xWindowManager |
| 00:06.30 | dan_t | 30xTs_Calibrate |
| 00:06.40 | dan_t | 55xScreenSaver |
| 00:06.55 | dan_t | 60xXDefaults |
| 00:07.04 | dan_t | /etc/X11/Xdefaults |
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| 00:07.19 | dan_t | and a lot of other |
| 00:07.22 | pb_ | dan_t: seems your ipkg status database has become damaged. |
| 00:07.52 | dan_t | pb_: i think that is very bad :( |
| 00:08.50 | dan_t | pb_: there is a way i can fix that ? |
| 00:08.57 | pb_ | dan_t: not as far as I am aware. |
| 00:09.06 | dan_t | pb_: so ? |
| 00:09.15 | pb_ | dan_t: take it up with TheMasterMind1 perhaps |
| 00:09.31 | dan_t | TheMasterMind1: are you here ? |
| 00:17.51 | pb_ | dc_: btw, I just uploaded a new libgtk which should fix the problem with the popup calendar going away when you click on the month arrows. |
| 00:19.09 | dan_t | pb_: after a reboot i get onòy this error: |
| 00:19.11 | dan_t | Downloading http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4 |
| 00:19.11 | dan_t | l/gpe-session-scripts_0.36_arm.ipk |
| 00:19.11 | dan_t | Upgrading gpe-session-scripts on root from 0.35 to 0.36... |
| 00:19.11 | dan_t | ERROR: Package gpe-session-scripts wants to install file /etc/X11/Xdefaults |
| 00:19.11 | dan_t | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:19.12 | dan_t | Please move this file out of the way and try again. |
| 00:19.14 | dan_t | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:19.16 | dan_t | Failed. |
| 00:19.41 | pb_ | dan_t: just delete the file it is complaining about. |
| 00:21.37 | dan_t | pb_: that worked. thanks |
| 00:24.52 | dc_ | pb_: what's the CLAMP and MAX stuff from libgpewidget do/> |
| 00:25.03 | pb_ | dc_: in what context? |
| 00:25.13 | dc_ | pb_: it seems allocation.x/y give some sensible values. |
| 00:25.14 | pb_ | dc_: generally, MAX(a,b) just returns whichever of a and b is the greater. |
| 00:25.23 | dc_ | pb_: and CLAMP? |
| 00:25.25 | pb_ | dc_: and CLAMP(a,b) returns whichever is the smaller |
| 00:25.32 | dc_ | x = CLAMP (x - 2, 0, MAX (0, screen_width - requisition.width)); |
| 00:25.33 | dc_ | heh |
| 00:25.48 | pb_ | or, conceptually, returns a unless it would be larger than b, in which case it returns b. |
| 00:26.01 | dc_ | okay |
| 00:27.08 | pb_ | ah, I see, CLAMP is a three argument thing there. |
| 00:28.09 | pb_ | so, what that says is that it wants to use (x - 2) for the x coordinate, but that it needs to be kept between zero and (screen_width - requisition width) to avoid the widget going off the screen to one side or the other. |
| 00:29.03 | dc_ | ahh |
| 00:29.05 | dc_ | I see :) |
| 00:30.28 | pb_ | btw, I also uploaded a new libdm which enables migration by default (ie no need for the GPE_DISPLAY_MIGRATION variable now). |
| 00:32.26 | dc_ | pb_: hrm. |
| 00:32.26 | mallum | pb_: cool |
| 00:32.50 | dc_ | pb_: any ideas why allocation.x and .y are -1 for a window? |
| 00:33.11 | pb_ | dc_: might mean that allocation hasn't been done yet. |
| 00:33.20 | dc_ | hrmf.. |
| 00:33.28 | pb_ | dc_: oh, gtk probably just doesn't track those for toplevels. |
| 00:33.37 | pb_ | dc_: you will have to get them from gdk directly I guess. |
| 00:34.18 | dc_ | pb_: the allocation give me a value, but it's somewhere to the top left of the actual widget |
| 00:34.36 | pb_ | dc_: gdk_window_get_position (widget->window ...) is probably what's required. |
| 00:34.47 | dc_ | pb_: I just need to find out what the ofset should be. |
| 00:34.59 | dc_ | pb_: I don't think I need the window position anymore. |
| 00:35.04 | pb_ | ah, ok |
| 00:36.42 | dc_ | pb_: the code is in cvs, have a quick look at it if you are so inclined to do so :) |
| 00:37.09 | pb_ | dc_: will do |
| 00:37.18 | pb_ | dc_: which module is this in? |
| 00:37.23 | dc_ | gpe-word :) |
| 00:37.37 | pb_ | ok, cool |
| 00:40.09 | dc_ | ahh now I see. |
| 00:40.34 | dc_ | it seems the position doesn't include the window titles. |
| 00:40.42 | pb_ | ah, yeah, that would make sense. |
| 00:40.57 | dc_ | so I _do_ need the real window position then |
| 00:41.03 | dc_ | so I can subtract that. |
| 00:41.08 | pb_ | dc_: you need to check in gpe-word.png so I can run the program :-} |
| 00:41.14 | dc_ | pb_: :} |
| 00:42.03 | dc_ | pb_: done |
| 00:42.44 | pb_ | dc_: good-o |
| 00:47.26 | pb_ | dc_: well, take a look at the change I just checked in. |
| 00:48.56 | dc_ | great. |
| 00:49.00 | dc_ | I think I've got it now. |
| 00:49.07 | pb_ | ok, cool |
| 00:51.24 | dc_ | perfect :D |
| 00:51.41 | dc_ | our own super cute menus :) |
| 00:53.17 | pb_ | great! |
| 00:54.20 | dc_ | what's the use of MAX (x, 0)? |
| 00:56.08 | pb_ | dc_: stops it from going negative I suppose. |
| 00:56.16 | dc_ | I guess. |
| 00:56.19 | pb_ | dc_: I'm not quite sure how that can happen though, might just be superstition. |
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| 01:06.00 | dc__ | pb_: all fixed and commited, including the CLAMP stuff, thanks :) |
| 01:06.05 | pb_ | dc__: great! |
| 01:06.58 | dc__ | pb_: now onto the next thing ;) |
| 01:07.04 | pb_ | dc__: heh. |
| 01:07.06 | dc__ | pb_: how do I suggest I compile a color matrix. |
| 01:07.12 | dc__ | pb_: for the color selection menu. |
| 01:07.13 | dc__ | heh |
| 01:07.30 | pb_ | dc__: hrm, dunno. A GtkTable maybe? |
| 01:07.44 | dc__ | pb_: I mean the colors themselves. |
| 01:07.46 | pb_ | dc__: seems like the kind of thing that Gtk should provide as a standard widget really. |
| 01:07.52 | pb_ | dc__: ah. |
| 01:08.08 | dc__ | I think owen tailer mentioned it at his talk. |
| 01:08.14 | dc__ | but we don't have time to wait :} |
| 01:08.22 | pb_ | hehe, indeed. |
| 01:08.32 | pb_ | well, last resort would be GtkDrawingAreas I suppose. |
| 01:08.42 | dc__ | that's what I plan. |
| 01:08.50 | dc__ | pb_: I mean...what rgb values should I use. |
| 01:09.03 | dc__ | pb_: what colors should I put in the table |
| 01:09.28 | pb_ | dc__: oh, I see. hm, no idea really. |
| 01:09.32 | dc__ | pb_: :) |
| 01:09.38 | dc__ | pb_: my exact thoughts |
| 01:10.22 | pb_ | dc__: probably no point having more than about 16 colours there, since people aren't going to want extreme precision most of the time. And if they do, there's always a full blown GtkColorSel. |
| 01:11.57 | dc__ | that's what I plan to do. |
| 01:14.01 | dc__ | gtk sources time |
| 01:14.42 | dc__ | the color sel has a palette option. |
| 01:14.53 | dc__ | so I guess I can just steal the code from there ;] |
| 01:16.18 | pb_ | aha, good idea |
| 01:25.39 | dc__ | pb_: do you know is GtkColorSelectionDialog is fixed for iPAQ screens? |
| 01:25.44 | dc__ | s/is/if/ |
| 01:25.56 | pb_ | dc__: nope, I'm not sure. |
| 01:26.10 | pb_ | dc__: I think gtk-demo is in familiar, you might be able to try it out. |
| 01:26.12 | dc__ | lets find out |
| 01:29.47 | dc__ | omfg.. |
| 01:29.57 | dc__ | pb_: it's defently not fixed. |
| 01:30.04 | pb_ | dc__: ah |
| 01:30.06 | pb_ | dc__: what goes wrong? |
| 01:30.08 | dc__ | pb_: and it's _way_ to slow to be useable. |
| 01:30.11 | dc__ | slow.. |
| 01:30.15 | pb_ | hell. |
| 01:30.22 | pb_ | that'll be the floating point I guess. |
| 01:30.29 | dc__ | yeah. thak damn wheel |
| 01:30.39 | dc__ | guess we're stuck with our palette |
| 01:30.50 | pb_ | yeah |
| 01:30.54 | dc__ | frm |
| 01:30.56 | dc__ | hrm |
| 01:31.10 | dc__ | there should be a text file of a palette stored somewhere |
| 01:36.40 | dc__ | ah ha |
| 01:36.44 | dc__ | gotcha |
| 01:52.14 | pb_ | grr |
| 01:52.37 | pb_ | 11868 pts/1 R 11:44 /usr/bin/perl -w /usr/bin/automake |
| 01:53.50 | dc__ | :] |
| 01:57.31 | pb_ | phew, finished. |
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| 02:04.47 | dc__ | pb_: how might I round a number up? |
| 02:05.05 | pb_ | dc__: float or integer? |
| 02:05.24 | dc__ | ah, n/m :} |
| 02:05.24 | dc__ | hehe |
| 02:05.43 | pb_ | heh |
| 02:11.26 | pb_ | g'night |
| 02:27.11 | dc__ | yay! |
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| 03:20.05 | dc___ | mallum: you had any fun with pango before? |
| 03:20.16 | mallum | no fun at all |
| 03:20.40 | mallum | all the pango I have done is commented on in mbdesktop_view.c IIRC |
| 03:20.53 | mallum | commented out rather |
| 03:21.08 | dc___ | hehhh. |
| 03:21.22 | dc___ | mallum: is there some other way to get the avalible fonts? |
| 03:21.38 | mallum | yeah probably, but your better asking pb |
| 03:21.45 | dc___ | :\ |
| 03:21.58 | mallum | also there are some demo apps in the pango source which may do it |
| 03:27.40 | dc___ | ah |
| 03:27.43 | dc___ | cool |
| 03:34.07 | mallum | okey bedtime for me now |
| 03:34.12 | mallum | g'night |
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| 04:01.06 | dc___ | flypiper: :] |
| 04:03.11 | flypiper | dc___: :-\ |
| 04:03.24 | dc___ | fun with fonts |
| 04:04.08 | flypiper | dc___: ahhhh |
| 04:05.45 | flypiper | dc___: I think I finally got the bugs outta gnome2 on my netwinder.. gonna leave it on all weekend and see if it crashes or locks up:-) |
| 04:05.52 | dc___ | hehe |
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| 04:43.04 | jimhill_ | Is konqueror usable with GPE or is it hardcoded to use the frambuffer? |
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| 05:40.14 | jimhill_ | Second try: Is konqueror usable with GPE or is it hardcoded to use the frambuffer? |
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| 11:41.15 | PaxAnima | morning |
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| 13:39.26 | pb_ | dc_: hey |
| 13:39.32 | dc_ | pb_: morning! |
| 13:39.49 | dc_ | pb_: I got the color palette fully working thismorning :D |
| 13:39.53 | dc_ | pb_: as in 3am |
| 13:40.01 | pb_ | dc_: great! |
| 13:40.09 | dc_ | yep! |
| 13:40.18 | dc_ | now I'm in for a day for pango fun |
| 13:40.24 | dc_ | to make the font popup |
| 13:40.25 | pb_ | aha, right. |
| 13:40.47 | dc_ | my first step is reading the gtkfileselector sources |
| 13:41.19 | dc_ | pb_: take a look at scap :) |
| 13:41.34 | pb_ | dc_: wow! |
| 13:41.38 | dc_ | cool or what :) |
| 13:41.40 | dc_ | hehe |
| 13:41.42 | pb_ | dc_: looks really nice. |
| 13:42.14 | dc_ | maybe we can put it in libgpewidget later on and use it in the scribble app aswell |
| 13:42.23 | pb_ | yeah, that'd be cool. |
| 13:42.35 | dc_ | pb_: one one current problem still remains with the justify menu |
| 13:42.45 | dc_ | pb_: it seem it won't align my buttons to the right |
| 13:42.56 | pb_ | hrm |
| 13:43.09 | pb_ | have you tried gtk_misc_set_alignment? |
| 13:43.10 | dc_ | I cannot work out why it doesn :\ |
| 13:43.43 | dc_ | pb_: that's only for GtkMisc widgets, no? |
| 13:44.10 | pb_ | ah, yes, is that not what you have? |
| 13:44.19 | pb_ | I guess I'd better look at the code :-} |
| 13:44.35 | dc_ | pb_: I have a GtkVBox and GtkButtons made from gpe_button_new_from_stock |
| 13:45.48 | pb_ | ok. |
| 13:45.58 | pb_ | you might have to put the buttons inside a GtkAlignment or something. |
| 13:46.37 | dc_ | each button? |
| 13:46.43 | pb_ | probably |
| 13:46.50 | dc_ | ah okay |
| 13:46.53 | dc_ | lets try it |
| 13:48.58 | dc_ | oh cool |
| 13:48.59 | dc_ | works :) |
| 13:49.24 | pb_ | great. |
| 13:49.35 | dc_ | now...last thing... |
| 13:49.54 | dc_ | how do we make the popup window disappear when you click somewhere off them |
| 13:49.59 | dc_ | or is that not really possible |
| 13:50.43 | pb_ | Yeah, it's doable. You'd have to use a pointer grab. |
| 13:51.10 | dc_ | ah okay |
| 13:51.32 | dc_ | then we check if they tap somewhere off the position of the popup |
| 13:51.54 | pb_ | yeah. |
| 13:52.10 | pb_ | This is how gtk does its popup menus, for example. |
| 13:52.19 | dc_ | ah cool |
| 13:53.14 | dc_ | oh, yay, we can also change the cursor it seems. |
| 13:53.20 | dc_ | maybe to the default pointing hand |
| 13:55.09 | dc_ | pb_: how does the application recieve the pointer signals after it's 'grabbed' it? |
| 13:55.35 | pb_ | dc_: they're delivered through X events as normal. You might have to use a filter function to catch them. |
| 13:55.50 | dc_ | pb_: do I set a callback somewhere? |
| 13:56.37 | pb_ | dc_: let me see if I can find some existing code that does this. |
| 13:56.44 | dc_ | ah cool |
| 13:57.57 | pb_ | hrm, doesn't seem to be any in gpe really. gpe-gallery uses gdk_pointer_grab, but only for motion events not clicks. |
| 13:58.33 | pb_ | you could look at teleport/teleport.c, that does this kind of thing. |
| 13:58.35 | dc_ | ah I see/ |
| 13:58.45 | pb_ | see where it calls XGrabPointer, and the window_filter function. |
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| 14:33.29 | PaxAnima | hi |
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| 14:56.15 | dc_ | yay |
| 14:56.23 | dc_ | satellite is soon |
| 14:56.39 | pb_ | cool. |
| 14:56.57 | dc_ | we're gonna get 500k in the day |
| 14:57.09 | dc_ | then at night we get 2Mb a second :D |
| 14:57.19 | pb_ | sounds great. |
| 14:57.37 | dc_ | I hope it is |
| 15:22.52 | PaxAnima | pb_: have you used xscope before? trying to debug with it, but there is a billion messages sent, so debugging xstroke is a bit hard |
| 15:23.40 | pb_ | PaxAnima: yeah, I did use it once, though I can't remember what for. |
| 15:24.42 | pb_ | If you run just minipredict under xscope, I wouldn't have thought there should be too many messages. |
| 15:25.20 | PaxAnima | hmm |
| 15:35.07 | PaxAnima | what's the EnterNotify event? |
| 15:35.23 | pb_ | mouse entering window |
| 15:36.05 | PaxAnima | ok |
| 15:36.52 | PaxAnima | pb_: could you have a look at this: http://v058b.studby.ntnu.no/xscope.txt |
| 15:37.18 | PaxAnima | the first one is the events sent with xkbd, the second on with xstroke |
| 15:37.47 | pb_ | well, you're clearly getting key-press events in both cases. |
| 15:38.40 | PaxAnima | yes, but the ones from xstroke isn't picked up |
| 15:39.04 | PaxAnima | what's the Child: WIN thing? |
| 15:39.41 | pb_ | dunno. |
| 15:42.26 | PaxAnima | but xstroke sends EnterNotify event as well.. could that be related? |
| 15:42.38 | pb_ | no, I think that's unrelated. |
| 15:44.43 | PaxAnima | based on my ~0 knowledge about X, it seems like xstroke is sending to the widget windows, wheras xkbd sends to the parent window |
| 15:45.52 | pb_ | could be. |
| 15:47.58 | cmarqu | dc_: That color matrix looks cute. sketchbook should use it to. |
| 15:48.14 | cmarqu | too even |
| 15:48.16 | cmarqu | Hi all |
| 15:48.24 | pb_ | hi cmarqu |
| 15:49.00 | PaxAnima | hi, cmarqu |
| 15:51.32 | dc_ | cmarqu: thanks. |
| 15:53.38 | cmarqu | ./gpe-word: relocation error: ./gpe-word: undefined symbol: libdm_init |
| 15:53.43 | cmarqu | What would this be? |
| 15:53.56 | cmarqu | I compiled libdm just a while ago. |
| 15:54.06 | pb_ | looks like gpe-word isn't linking with it for some reason. |
| 15:54.29 | cmarqu | cc -o gpe-word main.o -L../libgpewidget -lgpewidget `pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0` -L../libdm -ldm |
| 15:55.16 | cmarqu | I have the same problem with gpe-todo I think. |
| 15:55.40 | pb_ | Maybe you have a bad copy of libdm on your system somewhere. |
| 15:55.44 | pb_ | Check with ldd to see which one it is using. |
| 15:56.23 | cmarqu | /lib/libdm.so.0 -- indeed. |
| 15:57.02 | cmarqu | admin/dmapi is the Debian package that is providing it. |
| 15:57.08 | pb_ | Oh dear. |
| 15:57.19 | cmarqu | Name space pollution? |
| 15:57.35 | pb_ | Well, dmapi is just as entitled to provide that library as GPE is. |
| 15:57.44 | cmarqu | Yeah... |
| 15:57.59 | pb_ | Looks like we need to find a new name for ours. :-} |
| 15:59.30 | cmarqu | One other thing: would it make sense to add "Build-Depends:" to the control files so that we can evntually have a "make gpe-world"? |
| 15:59.40 | cmarqu | This would be GPE-Build-Depends really though. |
| 15:59.58 | pb_ | Yes, that might make sense. |
| 16:00.00 | cmarqu | Might confuse Debian packagers. |
| 16:00.13 | pb_ | That information already needs to go in the Debian control file, though obviously the two are not quite the same. |
| 16:00.31 | cmarqu | Yeah. |
| 16:00.45 | cmarqu | Question is, does it help more or does it confuse more? |
| 16:01.06 | pb_ | I think it might be better just to write a makefile that builds everything in the right order. |
| 16:01.27 | cmarqu | Might be, yes. |
| 16:02.07 | pb_ | BTW, I wrote to the Translation Project this morning to ask if they have any mechanism for translating .desktop files. |
| 16:02.24 | cmarqu | Ah, yes. |
| 16:06.03 | cmarqu | I have some de.po's lying around for gpe-calendar, gpe-contacts as well. |
| 16:06.25 | pb_ | Cool. I'll submit those packages soon, maybe later today. |
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| 16:08.55 | mallum | hey |
| 16:09.00 | PaxAnima | hi, mallum |
| 16:09.31 | dc_ | hey mallum :) |
| 16:10.05 | cmarqu | dc_: Oh, BTW, the new zooming in gpe-gallery works nice too. |
| 16:10.22 | dc_ | cmarqu: tried it on the iPAQ yet? |
| 16:10.40 | cmarqu | dc_: No, I have no connection to it from here. |
| 16:10.51 | dc_ | ah okay |
| 16:11.25 | PaxAnima | mallum: is xkbd sending KeyPress events to the parent window of the app? I'm trying to figure out the diffrence between xkbd and xstroke using xscope |
| 16:15.23 | mallum | PaxAnima: it just sends using Xtest |
| 16:15.47 | PaxAnima | ok |
| 16:16.29 | mallum | dc_: can you see if an apt-get install kontour works for you ? ( you dont need to install it, just see if you get a broken packages error ) |
| 16:16.52 | PaxAnima | can't figure out why xstroke won't work with minipredict (if apps are launched _after_ minipredict) |
| 16:17.39 | dc_ | Need to get 12.4MB of archives. After unpacking 42.6MB will be used. |
| 16:17.39 | dc_ | Do you want to continue? [Y/n] |
| 16:17.47 | dc_ | mallum: seems to be okay |
| 16:17.51 | mallum | dc_: doh :( |
| 16:17.59 | mallum | dc_: I wonder why its broke for me :( |
| 16:18.03 | dc_ | :( |
| 16:18.04 | mallum | dc_: is this on your ibook ? |
| 16:18.20 | dc_ | no, desktop |
| 16:19.02 | mallum | dc_: ah maybe its just powerpc its broke for |
| 16:19.39 | dc_ | probly. |
| 16:19.42 | dc_ | hrm |
| 16:19.59 | dc_ | do we know if M$ bluetooth keyboard an mouse will work? |
| 16:20.06 | dc_ | under linux obviously |
| 16:20.28 | pb_ | dc_: seems to be a qualified "yes". |
| 16:20.35 | pb_ | dc_: I was thinking of buying one of those the other day. |
| 16:20.39 | dc_ | pb_: cool |
| 16:20.57 | dc_ | pb_: I heard that the bluetooth adapter will only work with the kb and mouse though. |
| 16:21.02 | pb_ | dc_: but it looks like you may need some fairly gruesome software at the moment. |
| 16:21.18 | dc_ | pb_: but then, someone else said it would work with PDAs asell :\ |
| 16:21.19 | pb_ | dc_: it's meant to work with any device, though I don't know how true that is in practice. |
| 16:21.26 | dc_ | quite. |
| 16:22.08 | PaxAnima | yay! xstroke now works with minipredict properly (it seems): instead of calling the recursive XSelectInput() on the window in the CreateNotify event, I have to query the whole X tree from the root window... |
| 16:22.20 | dc_ | PaxAnima: :DDD |
| 16:22.37 | pb_ | dc_: well, I might buy one of those next week. I could do with a bluetooth mouse for my ibook. |
| 16:23.18 | dc_ | pb_: that would be cool, maybe even try and get it working with something like mallum's bluetooth dongle. |
| 16:23.20 | PaxAnima | don't see why it would be necesarry do it that way |
| 16:23.23 | dc_ | pb_: which would save space. |
| 16:23.32 | mallum | dc_: I think you get a dongle with the kbd |
| 16:23.38 | pb_ | dc_: yeah. I think the bluetooth dongle is pretty generic, shouldn't be a problem. |
| 16:23.45 | pb_ | mallum: yes, but it's huge and ugly I think. |
| 16:23.51 | dc_ | mallum: M$ style |
| 16:23.54 | dc_ | just like the X box |
| 16:24.24 | dc_ | mallum: how do dual 18" tfts sound. |
| 16:25.31 | dc_ | gos save my lucky friend |
| 16:25.36 | dc_ | s/gos/god/ |
| 16:25.48 | pb_ | heh |
| 16:26.24 | dc_ | I get to build a 6k computer, in exchange for an iPAQ :) |
| 16:26.44 | pb_ | ah :-) |
| 16:27.05 | dc_ | I think I may just have to keep the computer instead though.. |
| 16:27.38 | mallum | 6k ! |
| 16:27.41 | dc_ | those monitors are making my knees shake |
| 16:27.44 | dc_ | mallum: 6k! |
| 16:27.59 | mallum | dc_: he could build 6 high end machines for that :-) |
| 16:28.03 | dc_ | mallum: I know. |
| 16:28.16 | dc_ | mallum: I don't think I'll be able to make it that much |
| 16:28.26 | dc_ | mallum: we may have to settle for about 4. |
| 16:28.33 | dc_ | http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=44801 |
| 16:28.44 | dc_ | 2 of those :)) |
| 16:28.53 | mallum | dc_: there crap |
| 16:28.58 | dc_ | they look nice. |
| 16:29.01 | mallum | dc_: http://www.9xmedia.com/pages-Build_a_system/X-Top_Design_a_system-Configurations.html is what you want |
| 16:29.02 | dc_ | he doesn't care ;p |
| 16:29.32 | mallum | http://www.9xmedia.com/pages-Build_a_system/X-Top_Expert---5_over_5.html <-- COME TO PAPA !!! |
| 16:29.39 | dc_ | omg,. |
| 16:29.44 | dc_ | yeah |
| 16:30.05 | dc_ | 10 lcds is a bit over the top |
| 16:30.32 | dc_ | maybe I should look at some of the sony ones |
| 16:30.36 | mallum | get one of them high end matrox cards with like 4 vga outs |
| 16:30.46 | dc_ | mallum: I was thinking of that. |
| 16:31.04 | dc_ | mallum: what's the gaming support for those like..or are they for video rendering |
| 16:31.27 | mallum | dc_: I think they kick arse for both |
| 16:31.31 | dc_ | :] |
| 16:33.25 | dc_ | IBM look like they make a nice 18.1" |
| 16:34.22 | mallum | dc_: just order a 42inch panasonic plasma |
| 16:34.29 | dc_ | hah |
| 16:34.55 | dc_ | that is a possibility |
| 16:35.30 | dc_ | he really said 8k, but I refused to blow that much money on one system. |
| 16:35.35 | dc_ | it's a joke. |
| 16:35.37 | PaxAnima | dc_: a fresh and xstroke working verison of minipredict just uploaded to the unstable feed ;) |
| 16:35.43 | dc_ | PaxAnima: wahay :D |
| 16:36.01 | PaxAnima | time to get some food |
| 16:36.10 | dc_ | PaxAnima: you deserve it |
| 16:37.19 | mallum | PaxAnima: well done ! |
| 16:37.21 | dc_ | mallum: you think the linksys is a good choise for an PA? |
| 16:37.23 | dc_ | AP. |
| 16:38.46 | mallum | dc_: yeah Im pretty pleased with mine |
| 16:38.53 | dc_ | mallum: what's the range like? |
| 16:41.42 | mallum | dc_: havn't tested it thoughrly but it coverers the entire house no problem |
| 16:43.07 | dc_ | coolio |
| 16:44.20 | dc_ | now, next problem. |
| 16:44.31 | dc_ | what actualy wireless adapter will work... |
| 16:44.50 | pb_ | dc_: pretty much any common adapter should be ok. |
| 16:45.05 | dc_ | pb_: with the pci->pcmcia stuff? |
| 16:45.18 | pb_ | yeah. |
| 16:45.38 | pb_ | dc_: I think there are drivers for most/all of the pci adapter cards. |
| 16:45.46 | dc_ | they all use the common chipsets right? |
| 16:45.53 | pb_ | pretty much. |
| 16:45.54 | dc_ | pcmcia ones. |
| 16:45.56 | dc_ | yeah |
| 16:46.08 | pb_ | yeah, mostly prism2/2.5/3 nowadays. |
| 16:46.13 | mallum | pb_: be a little careful though, some of the pci wireless cards use broadcom chipset which is afaik unsupported |
| 16:46.21 | mallum | s/pb_/dc/ |
| 16:46.29 | mallum | dc_: the linksys pci one does |
| 16:46.34 | dc_ | I''l just get an arionet or orinoco |
| 16:46.48 | pb_ | mallum: that's for the native pci ones, though, not the pci/pcmcia adapter cards? |
| 16:47.05 | mallum | pb_: yeah |
| 16:48.50 | dc_ | the cisco aironet looks safe |
| 16:51.36 | dc_ | http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=39971 |
| 16:51.44 | dc_ | does that look like it include the card. |
| 16:51.48 | dc_ | or just the adapter |
| 16:52.08 | pb_ | jesus, that's expensive. |
| 16:52.12 | dc_ | yes. |
| 16:52.16 | pb_ | must surely include the card. |
| 16:52.22 | dc_ | yeah it must |
| 16:52.42 | pb_ | actually, if the picture is representative, it looks like a native PCI card, not a pcmcia one with a bridge. |
| 16:52.46 | dc_ | the card by itself is 95 |
| 16:52.57 | dc_ | Cisco/Aironet 34X/35X/4500/4800 ISA and PCI cards (NEW) |
| 16:53.02 | dc_ | that's in the kernel config. |
| 16:53.09 | dc_ | so it looks like they're supportec. |
| 16:53.16 | pb_ | dc_: yeah, I think lots of ipaq folk use aironets. |
| 16:53.24 | dc_ | :] |
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| 16:58.44 | dc__ | hah |
| 16:58.53 | dc__ | you can buy network cards for 1.09 |
| 16:59.00 | dc__ | that's getting pretty cheap |
| 16:59.56 | pb_ | crumbs. |
| 17:01.44 | dc__ | is the 5400 connector the same as the 3700? |
| 17:01.57 | pb_ | expansion pack, yes; sync no. |
| 17:02.04 | dc__ | bah. |
| 17:02.15 | pb_ | it should come with a cradle though. |
| 17:02.17 | dc__ | I guess we have to wait for them to release new ysb sync charger cables |
| 17:02.32 | pb_ | I think a 3800 cable will work with it. |
| 17:02.38 | dc__ | a hcool |
| 17:02.51 | pb_ | it's just the 3600/3700 that are different. |
| 17:02.59 | dc__ | okay |
| 17:03.12 | dc__ | 3900? |
| 17:03.25 | pb_ | same as 3800. |
| 17:03.31 | dc__ | of course. |
| 17:03.40 | dc__ | mm yes... |
| 17:03.45 | pb_ | the 3800 and 3900 are identical mechanically. |
| 17:04.05 | pb_ | :-) |
| 17:04.08 | PaxAnima | dc__: ;) |
| 17:04.23 | dc__ | I've also ordered a 128 mmc card.. |
| 17:04.36 | dc__ | lets hope crl get the drivers working soon |
| 17:05.31 | pb_ | yeah. |
| 17:05.45 | pb_ | I wonder if the 5400 has the same mmc block as the 3900. |
| 17:05.56 | dc__ | lets hope. |
| 17:06.11 | pb_ | I suspect the answer is not, unfortunately. |
| 17:06.17 | dc__ | :[ |
| 17:06.25 | dc__ | pb_: look you scared dc_ away |
| 17:06.56 | pb_ | easily done :-) |
| 17:08.08 | pb_ | dc__: btw, I just checked in a rewrite of dirbrowser.c using the new gtk tree view. |
| 17:08.14 | dc__ | ooooh. |
| 17:08.16 | dc__ | yay |
| 17:08.26 | dc__ | pb_: thanks |
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| 17:29.16 | florian | hi all! |
| 17:29.21 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 17:29.32 | dc__ | florian: hi! |
| 17:36.33 | mallum | woah, this looks pretty cool -> http://kcachegrind.sourceforge.net/ |
| 17:40.43 | dc__ | mallum: what's it errr do? |
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| 17:46.28 | dc__ | hi walters :} |
| 17:46.31 | florian | mallum: may the background of mbdesktop be configured via xsettings? |
| 17:50.01 | florian | hmm, looks really nice.... |
| 17:51.29 | mallum | florian: yeah thats the plan |
| 17:57.34 | florian | mallum: plan... :-) when do you think this works? |
| 18:03.28 | mallum | florian: probably in the next few weeks |
| 18:03.48 | mallum | florian: my plan at the moment is a feeze on features for matchbox and fix bugs etc |
| 18:04.01 | mallum | florian: then Im gonna work on the desktop again |
| 18:05.32 | florian | mallum: good idea - i just killed mbdesktop by switching to "tasks" section. but this seems not reproducable... |
| 18:06.17 | florian | mallum: to make it easier to change background image it would be great to start mbdesktop transparent by default |
| 18:08.13 | florian | oops, time to go... |
| 18:09.06 | florian | i'll be back later.... |
| 18:18.22 | mallum | florian: really not there ? |
| 18:20.03 | mallum | florian: X doesn't do transparent windows |
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| 19:09.36 | pb_ | hi jg |
| 19:09.56 | jg | hi |
| 19:17.42 | pb_ | hmm, mbdock just crashed on my ipaq. |
| 19:21.31 | mallum | pb_: did it just crash ? or did you do something before hand ? |
| 19:21.43 | pb_ | mallum: I tried to pop up the "Add" menu. |
| 19:21.56 | pb_ | mallum: I think it might be a bit intolerant of bad icons in .desktop files still. |
| 19:22.21 | pb_ | I have some Xlib error spew in my .xsession-errors file, but I'm not sure whether it is related or not. |
| 19:22.27 | pb_ | X Error of failed request: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) |
| 19:22.29 | pb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:22.31 | pb_ | X Error of failed request: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) |
| 19:22.34 | pb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.55 | mallum | pb_: does it now work ok ? |
| 19:24.07 | pb_ | mallum: well, I restarted it and it hasn't crashed again yet. |
| 19:26.23 | mallum | pb_: strange ... |
| 19:28.24 | pb_ | yeah. oh well. |
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| 19:31.30 | pb_ | dc___: the new dirbrowser is in unstable now if you want to check it out. |
| 19:31.36 | dc___ | right |
| 19:35.38 | pb_ | okay, time to go meet the debian cabal. |
| 19:35.41 | pb_ | bbl |
| 19:35.50 | dc___ | hehe |
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| 21:28.24 | dc__ | pb_: alive? |
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| 22:03.05 | florian | mallum: hmm - what does --bg:trans? |
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| 22:11.17 | dc__ | hey florian |
| 22:11.35 | florian | dc__: hi ho! |
| 22:14.06 | dc__ | ho hi |
| 22:14.08 | dc__ | hi ho loq |
| 22:14.10 | dc__ | low |
| 22:32.02 | florian | urks... current gpe-terminal.desktop doesn't work for me - i have rxvt-aa installed |
| 22:35.05 | dc__ | florian: very sorry ;] |
| 22:35.14 | dc__ | I guess I should make it use x-terminal-emulator |
| 22:36.11 | florian | dc__: you could do something good for me and make the scrollbar appear at the right side of it :-) |
| 22:37.04 | dc__ | hehe |
| 22:37.07 | dc__ | I wish aswell |
| 22:37.16 | florian | this is a good idea, but t must be enshured that every terminal package sets this somehow. |
| 22:37.58 | florian | (recent unstable ones doesn't, thats why gpe-su dosn't work for me) |
| 22:38.18 | florian | s/dosn't/doesn't |
| 23:11.48 | mallum | florian: hi |
| 23:13.07 | florian | mallum: hi |
| 23:14.26 | mallum | florian: do you know what apps you had running when mbdesktop crashed ? |
| 23:14.29 | PaxAnima | man, playing dvd without DMA turned on kinda kills the CPU :/ |
| 23:15.35 | florian | mallum: i think two terminals and maybe a filemanager or gpe-edit |
| 23:15.46 | dc__ | yahay |
| 23:15.51 | dc__ | mallum: wait till you see this |
| 23:15.58 | mallum | florian: I know xclock will kill mbdesktop with its crappy 1bit icon |
| 23:16.06 | mallum | florian: I havn't fixed that bug yet |
| 23:16.33 | florian | mallum: i definitely didn't run xclock ;-) |
| 23:17.31 | florian | seems like gpe-conf keyboard is broken... what is the configfile for xkbd? |
| 23:18.38 | mallum | florian: they are in /usr/share/kbdconfig |
| 23:18.53 | mallum | florian: the defualt one is set in .kbdconfig IIRC |
| 23:19.13 | mallum | florian: if it crashes again ( mbdesktop ) can you make a note of what apps you have running ? |
| 23:19.49 | dc__ | http://handhelds.org/scap/toipaq.cgi?fn=port.2869.png |
| 23:19.55 | dc__ | mallum: fear! |
| 23:20.01 | dc__ | florian: you too :D |
| 23:20.22 | mallum | dc__: rock !!! |
| 23:21.11 | dc__ | indeed :) |
| 23:21.26 | florian | mallum: ahh, gpe-conf writes to .gpe/gpe-keyboard |
| 23:21.41 | florian | dc__: huuweee - cool! |
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| 23:21.48 | dc__ | :) |
| 23:22.20 | mallum | florian: re the mbdesktop transparency thing, I sent a post to the gpe list last week suggesting how it should work |
| 23:22.33 | PaxAnima | spung: have found the error with the portuguese dictionary (at least the reason for so few words are shown) |
| 23:22.48 | dc__ | PaxAnima: http://handhelds.org/scap/toipaq.cgi?fn=port.2869.png :) |
| 23:23.30 | PaxAnima | nice |
| 23:25.14 | florian | mallum: i'll.. (note at next crash) |
| 23:25.38 | florian | mallum: yes, ok - i'' |
| 23:26.08 | florian | mallum: oops - wanted to say: ok - i'll should read it :-) |
| 23:26.33 | dc__ | mallum: are you aware of how to handle functions through ehh functions. |
| 23:26.47 | mallum | dc__: ehh ? |
| 23:26.48 | dc__ | mallum: like, how do I pass a function as an argument. |
| 23:26.49 | dc__ | mallum: to another function. |
| 23:27.03 | mallum | dc__: pass a pointer to it |
| 23:27.12 | dc__ | mallum: then to call it |
| 23:27.19 | dc__ | or run it.. |
| 23:27.27 | mallum | dc__: deref it |
| 23:27.38 | dc__ | I'm still confused. |
| 23:27.47 | dc__ | what type do I handle it as |
| 23:28.04 | mallum | dc__: like int passed_func(char *data) { ... } |
| 23:28.10 | dc__ | mallum: like what do I put in my prototyle file. |
| 23:28.25 | dc__ | mallum: ah okay that make sense. |
| 23:28.40 | dc__ | mallum: and yah, what do I put for the prototype/header |
| 23:28.49 | dc__ | mallum: of the function I pass it to |
| 23:29.03 | mallum | dc__: void called_func( int x, ( int *func)(char *)) |
| 23:29.18 | mallum | dc__: called_func( 10, &passed_func) |
| 23:29.23 | dc__ | ah okay |
| 23:29.32 | dc__ | coolio |
| 23:30.41 | dc__ | hrm |
| 23:30.49 | dc__ | I might add this special popup menu code to libgpewidget... |
| 23:35.01 | mallum | did you figure out pango in th end then ? |
| 23:36.10 | dc__ | yep :} |
| 23:36.30 | dc__ | mallum: hum static void |
| 23:36.30 | dc__ | popup_menu_show (GtkWidget *parent_button, (static GtkWidget *construct_func)(GtkWidget *parent_button)) |
| 23:36.30 | dc__ | it gives me a parse error |
| 23:36.42 | dan_t | i have discovered some problems with 2.4.19 kernel packages. there is somehere that can fix them here ? |
| 23:36.44 | dc__ | mallum: pango's easy ;) |
| 23:38.35 | mallum | dc__: you should need to parse static in |
| 23:39.33 | dc__ | doh |
| 23:39.47 | dc__ | ack |
| 23:39.51 | dc__ | still parse error |
| 23:41.56 | mallum | dc__: I normally typedef it like typedef void (*MBTrayBackgroundCB)( void *user_data ) ; |
| 23:42.16 | mallum | dc__: the call looks like void |
| 23:42.16 | mallum | mb_tray_bg_change_cb_set(MBTrayBackgroundCB bg_changed_cb, void *user_data); |
| 23:42.50 | mallum | dc__: try GtkWidget (*construct_func)(GtkWidget *parent_button) |
| 23:44.04 | dc__ | ah cool |
| 23:47.27 | mallum | kde takes alot longer to build than gnome |
| 23:47.54 | florian | so, works again |
| 23:48.08 | dc__ | mallum: that's always pleasing to hear |
| 23:49.48 | PaxAnima | according to the sort command, o and ò are sorted as if they were the same character, but my code won't see it that way, even when setting the locale and using strcoll() |
