| 00:53.31 | spung | anyone here can create bugzilla components? |
| 00:57.45 | mallum_movie | spung: not me :( |
| 01:01.50 | moray | GPE or handhelds bugzilla? |
| 01:01.54 | spung | gpe |
| 01:02.10 | moray | yes, should be able to do that |
| 01:02.17 | moray | what do you need? |
| 01:02.23 | spung | how do i attach a patch to a bug report? |
| 01:02.35 | spung | moray: libeventdb, while you're at it libtododb |
| 01:03.12 | moray | spung: what owner address(es) shall I set? |
| 01:03.20 | spung | hmmm |
| 01:03.34 | spung | pb and mccarthy? |
| 01:03.51 | moray | respectively? |
| 01:04.02 | spung | no |
| 01:04.06 | spung | for both |
| 01:04.08 | spung | i think |
| 01:04.17 | moray | hm, everything else just has one owner |
| 01:04.39 | moray | I think it's easier just to put one and they can sort it out later maybe ;) |
| 01:04.46 | spung | :) |
| 01:04.51 | spung | poor pb |
| 01:06.41 | spung | moray: how do I attach a patch to a bug report? |
| 01:06.45 | moray | hm, I guess cmarqu likes grey.... (just looked at the GPE site update ;) |
| 01:07.27 | moray | spung: there should be a 'Create a new attachment' link? |
| 01:07.34 | moray | up above the comments box |
| 01:07.42 | spung | hmm |
| 01:07.49 | spung | i have a bug report |
| 01:07.51 | spung | and i have a fix |
| 01:07.57 | spung | should i just send the patch to pb |
| 01:08.05 | spung | should i use bugzilla? |
| 01:08.07 | moray | make the bug report, submit |
| 01:08.17 | spung | ok |
| 01:08.28 | moray | then submit the patch as an attachment with a comment saying it fixes the problem |
| 01:08.33 | moray | (all in bugzilla) |
| 01:08.42 | spung | ok, thanks |
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| 03:05.33 | cmarqu | Okay, I sent libgpewidget's de.po to the translation project robot. |
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| 07:44.49 | PaxAnima | morning |
| 07:57.42 | paul | morn |
| 08:10.05 | cmarqu | Morning all. |
| 08:21.31 | cmarqu | ibot: logs? |
| 08:21.31 | | http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
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| 08:22.16 | dc_ | yay |
| 08:22.50 | cmarqu | Hi dc_ |
| 08:23.54 | dc_ | cmarqu: no school today :} |
| 08:24.20 | dc_ | hum |
| 08:24.41 | dc_ | I guess I should get some stable version of gpe-filemanager and gallery out for 0.7 |
| 08:26.14 | dc_ | cmarqu: did you see the pregressive zooming yet? |
| 08:27.18 | cmarqu | dc_: Oh, no, not yet. It's in CVS? |
| 08:27.43 | dc_ | hrm I think it could still be on my iBook, just let me commit it. |
| 08:37.40 | dc_ | cmarqu: first...take a look at scap |
| 08:37.56 | dc_ | cmarqu: tell me what you think of the icons. |
| 08:40.32 | cmarqu | Oh, nice, yes. |
| 08:40.51 | dc_ | I'll have to talk to everyone about them. |
| 08:41.03 | dc_ | and some licence issues may need to be sorted out. |
| 08:41.10 | cmarqu | Where are they from? |
| 08:41.25 | dc_ | some are from red hat's bluecurve |
| 08:41.39 | dc_ | others are from, shock horror kde. |
| 08:41.48 | dc_ | well...the Julia one |
| 08:42.03 | dc_ | and one or two are from jimmac's set. |
| 08:42.24 | dc_ | but the red hat ones are really nice on the iPAQ screen, nice and bright/clear. |
| 08:42.46 | cmarqu | Yeah, that's important. |
| 08:42.52 | dc_ | indeed. |
| 08:43.00 | dc_ | now, let me find my iBook |
| 08:43.52 | cmarqu | Hrrm, why is build/postinst.translation still not executable? |
| 08:44.36 | cmarqu | I explicitly checked it in as executable. Hmm. |
| 08:45.42 | cmarqu | dOh, and it seems thatgpe-irc in CVS is not the latest stuff. |
| 08:46.48 | cmarqu | dc_: Can you make a new gpe-irc package, with Replaces: olirc? And throw out olirc from gpe-apps2. |
| 08:47.08 | dc_ | _I_ can't. |
| 08:47.13 | dc_ | but I can ask pb_ to later on |
| 08:47.24 | dc_ | I'll append it on my list of tasks for today. |
| 08:47.56 | cmarqu | gpe-irc in CVS sems to be older than the package. Isn't it you who worked on it? |
| 08:48.29 | dc_ | I coded it. |
| 08:48.49 | dc_ | authough I know PaxAnima has been doing some work on it. |
| 08:48.58 | dc_ | removing the old predictive text code. |
| 08:49.23 | cmarqu | Ah. |
| 08:49.40 | cmarqu | Well, CVs has Version: 0.01, while the package is 0.04. |
| 08:50.54 | dc_ | strange.... |
| 08:51.04 | dc_ | PaxAnima: ? |
| 08:54.18 | cmarqu | I wonder if we should use wording like "tap" in apps, since they can also be used with a mouse. |
| 08:54.46 | dc_ | very good point. |
| 08:55.00 | dc_ | cmarqu: that would make sence |
| 08:55.25 | cmarqu | Especially as there is not a good German word for "tap" :) |
| 08:56.11 | cmarqu | I'll translate it as "click". |
| 08:56.36 | dc_ | :] |
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| 10:25.45 | PaxAnima | hi |
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| 10:37.46 | _paulj | 6610 |
| 10:37.49 | _paulj | arg |
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| 10:49.03 | _paulj | hi pb |
| 10:49.16 | pb_ | hi paul |
| 10:49.43 | paul | usb seems to work again with kernel hh11. |
| 10:49.49 | pb_ | cool. |
| 10:50.22 | paul | although, the hh11 kernel packages in unstable seem b0rked - lots of unresolved symbols. they dont seem to match the kernel package. |
| 10:50.54 | paul | also, is 'teleport' supposed to work yet? |
| 10:50.59 | pb_ | strange. I haven't noticed any problems. |
| 10:51.07 | pb_ | yes, teleport should work, though not all programs support it. |
| 10:51.18 | pb_ | or rather, only a handful of programs do support it. |
| 10:51.26 | paul | does it need any support on the Xserver you teleport to? |
| 10:51.37 | pb_ | no, you just need authorisation to connect as usual. |
| 10:51.37 | paul | (i'd guess not?) |
| 10:51.56 | paul | hmm.. had that, but gpe-calc and gpe-calendar at least dont want to teleport. |
| 10:52.32 | paul | pb_: i removed and reinstalled kernel-pxa, kernel-modules-pxa and all the .*-pxa-modules twice. |
| 10:52.32 | pb_ | I think you may need to export GPE_DISPLAY_MIGRATION=1 prior to running the program you want to teleport. |
| 10:52.38 | paul | ah. |
| 10:52.42 | pb_ | I'll remove that requirement in the next version of libdm. |
| 10:53.04 | pb_ | It was put there as a security measure, before libdm had authentication for migrate requests. |
| 10:53.14 | paul | i updated to familiar.handhelds.org/feeds/2.4.19 this morning - resulting kernel had problems with nfsd, irda, etc. |
| 10:53.30 | pb_ | ah, ok. I don't use nfsd or irda, so maybe I was just lucky. |
| 10:54.10 | paul | also, the Xipaq pixel problem - i noticed that on the login screen the left hand line of pixels are lit correctly. |
| 10:54.26 | pb_ | hm, right. So, that would indicate it isn't a problem with the kernel. |
| 10:54.31 | pb_ | very strange. |
| 10:59.26 | pb_ | well, we just received our first file from the Translation Project. So, wahey. |
| 11:02.15 | paul | also, when logged in - if desktop is shown then that line has colour of background. |
| 11:02.24 | paul | if an app is brought to foreground, then the line is black. |
| 11:02.50 | paul | so i'm starting to think its userspace. |
| 11:07.45 | pb_ | certainly does sound that way. |
| 11:08.10 | pb_ | though I guess it could still conceivably be the kernel, if it's wrapped round from the other side of the display or something. |
| 11:08.45 | pb_ | I guess the way to check would be to write a small program that lights up individual pixels using /dev/fb0, run it without X and see what happens. |
| 11:10.16 | paul | might do that if i have the inclination. |
| 11:11.10 | paul | also, minilights - tap and hold to move it and move to the bottom of the screen. the bar wraps round back to the top of minilight. (doesnt wrap at the top back to the bottom though) |
| 11:11.29 | pb_ | ok, cool. It should be pretty straightforward: the framebuffer is just 16-bit rgb values. |
| 11:11.36 | paul | i really should go and get comfy with bugzilla :) |
| 11:11.42 | paul | mmaped? |
| 11:11.48 | pb_ | yeah |
| 11:12.00 | paul | ok, might have a go over the weekend. |
| 11:12.41 | paul | speaking of bugzilla - if i'm updating to unstable all the time (from pb base), what do i file bugs against? familiar? |
| 11:12.47 | pb_ | yeah |
| 11:12.51 | paul | 0.7? |
| 11:13.06 | pb_ | just file against the appropriate versions of the individual packages. |
| 11:13.15 | paul | k |
| 11:36.52 | paul | hmm. doesnt seem to autosleep either. |
| 11:38.32 | pb_ | PaxAnima: /usr/bin/minipredict appears not to be stripped. |
| 11:38.38 | pb_ | paul: is ipkg-sleep running? |
| 11:38.52 | pb_ | it won't autosleep when on AC, but it should suspend after about a minute of idling when on battery. |
| 11:42.07 | PaxAnima | pb_: oh, forgot it (again) |
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| 11:43.06 | PaxAnima | hi, Leeds |
| 11:43.22 | Leeds | morning |
| 11:43.33 | Leeds | how's things? |
| 11:43.33 | pb_ | hi Leeds |
| 11:43.45 | Leeds | hey pb_ - have a good time at the weekend? |
| 11:45.30 | Leeds | so... how do I get suspend to work properly now? |
| 11:46.51 | PaxAnima | Leeds: tried minipredict? |
| 11:47.08 | Leeds | um, no |
| 11:47.22 | pb_ | Leeds: just install ipkg-sleep. |
| 11:47.26 | pb_ | er, ipaq-sleep |
| 11:47.36 | PaxAnima | Leeds: please, do ;) |
| 11:47.38 | Leeds | I upgraded (reinstalled) my ipaq to 0.6.1 and gpe2 over the past couple of days, and I'm trying to fix the regressions before experimenting too much |
| 11:48.20 | Leeds | pb_: does ipaq-sleep handle the power button? it's locking the screen at the moment, rather than suspending |
| 11:49.00 | pb_ | Leeds: suggest you install one of the pre-0.7 bootgpe2 images, see the topic. |
| 11:49.26 | pb_ | the power button is handled by keylaunch and apm; it sounds like you might have a bad kernel. |
| 11:49.40 | Leeds | got 2.4.18-hh24 at the moment... |
| 11:49.50 | pb_ | yeah, I think that is a bad one. |
| 11:49.58 | Leeds | I have this conflicting thing at the moment, between wanting to play with the new stuff, and wanting a device which *works* |
| 11:50.13 | pb_ | the 0.7-pre images are much more likely to work than the old 0.6.1 stuff. |
| 11:50.36 | Leeds | am I likely to be able to upgrade to 0.7? I don't really want to reflash again... |
| 11:51.00 | Leeds | BTW... I was fighting with ipkg, which kept trying to upgrade glibc from 2.3.1 to 2.2.5 :-( |
| 11:55.52 | paul | pb_: yes, its must be sleeping as the screen dim works, it just doens sleep. :( |
| 11:59.31 | paul | also, 2 dumb questions: calendar: 1. how do set a locale? (US date style is confusing) and 2. how do you edit an existing appointment? (tried tap and hold, get a popup, but i cant edit) |
| 12:00.53 | pb_ | Leeds: not sure. I guess it's worth a go. |
| 12:01.00 | pb_ | Leeds: there is no 0.7 distribution yet, just upgrade to unstable. |
| 12:01.34 | pb_ | paul: install locale-base-en+gb (or other locale of your choosing), set LANG=en_GB somewhere in the environment. |
| 12:02.26 | Leeds | ugh... tried upgrading to unstable last night - it killed my X by downgrading libc6 :-( |
| 12:02.26 | pb_ | paul: on the calendar, which view are you looking at? In the day view, I think you have to double-click on a line to edit, which is a bit clumsy. |
| 12:02.40 | paul | ah |
| 12:02.53 | pb_ | Leeds: you must have some other feed listed as well. there is only libc 2.3.1 in unstable. |
| 12:03.25 | pb_ | Leeds: be sure that you do not have 0.5, 0.6, or any other old feeds mentioned in ipkg.conf. |
| 12:04.02 | Leeds | ah, okay... I've got the 0.6.1 feeds listed too |
| 12:04.15 | paul | xstroke: if you change to landscape mode, the xstrokes for arrow keys have not changed orientation. (which is weird) |
| 12:04.24 | pb_ | Leeds: yeah, that would be the problem. Ipkg doesn't handle that situation very well. |
| 12:04.38 | pb_ | paul: has the joypad been remapped correctly? |
| 12:04.45 | paul | yes |
| 12:04.57 | pb_ | right, suggest you file against xstroke in that case. |
| 12:05.28 | Leeds | completely OT, but may I suggest http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ |
| 12:05.35 | paul | pb_: wilco |
| 12:05.56 | PaxAnima | I think cworth is working on xstoke these days, so hopefully he'll fix that too |
| 12:06.08 | paul | i think i know what my sleep problem is. i had a few 'gpe-conf sleep' running/spinning and cpu was at 100% |
| 12:06.49 | pb_ | paul: ah. yes, I think ipaq-sleep can be configured not to suspend if the machine seems to be busy. I don't remember whether that's the default: check /etc/ipaq-sleep.conf. |
| 12:07.34 | pb_ | Leeds: ha :-) |
| 12:11.07 | Leeds | courtesy of #gllug :-) |
| 12:11.40 | PaxAnima | ;) |
| 12:12.05 | pb_ | paul: btw, it's relatively easy to make new locale packages if we don't already have one for your preferred locale. I don't recall exactly which countries are already supported, but you can check with ipkg list | grep locale-base. |
| 12:12.37 | PaxAnima | Leeds: <ad> minipredict is a word completion app, as seen on scap </ad> ;) |
| 12:19.11 | paul | pb_: yes, its enabled by default and value is set to 0.06. i've increased that to 0.20. |
| 12:19.25 | paul | pb_: be nicer to have a tap-and-hold for editing calendar items. |
| 12:22.26 | pb_ | paul: yeah, agreed. |
| 12:24.30 | paul | pb_: ok, will look for an en+IE locale and create one if i cant find one :) |
| 12:25.25 | paul | pb_: also, it'd be nice if the screensaver password prompt and initial login screen could be xstroke enabled. (eg a wee xstroke icon or somesuch). |
| 12:25.52 | paul | and with that, i think i'm out of things to comment on, so i'll let you get on with things :) |
| 12:26.40 | paul | woo - it seems to have gone to sleep. (but shouldnt LED blink?) |
| 12:29.00 | Leeds | paul: the lock screen, at least, seems to be xstroke-enabled for me... which is pretty useful, since my screen is fucked enough that the keyboard is very hit and miss |
| 12:30.21 | paul | Leeds: no, the lock screen is only xstroke enabled if you had already enabled xstroke and it was enabled when screensaver kicked in. |
| 12:30.34 | Leeds | ah |
| 12:30.41 | Leeds | I pretty much always have it enabled |
| 12:30.42 | pb_ | paul: LED only blinks during charging. |
| 12:32.19 | paul | i've seen a problem with switching to landscape then back to portrait - if screensaver kicks in, the xkbd seems to have wrong dimensions and right hand side will extend out past right of the screen (so you cant get at return key) - hard reset if you dont have xstroke and dont have usbnet up and/or serial console nearby. |
| 12:32.27 | paul | (or other network login) |
| 12:32.37 | paul | hence, xstroke would be a nice fall back. |
| 12:33.00 | paul | also, i'm getting to the stage where i can xstroke faster than xkbd. :) |
| 12:33.44 | paul | pb_: ah.. doh yes. (i'm still new to this ipaq stuff :) ) |
| 12:34.04 | paul | right.. i really will let you's get on with things now. :) |
| 12:34.11 | pb_ | paul: might be worth filing against xkbd for that problem you just mentioned. |
| 12:34.40 | paul | pb_: at this rate i might end up /.'ing bugzilla :) |
| 12:34.44 | pb_ | heh |
| 12:34.45 | paul | wilco |
| 12:35.08 | pb_ | paul: I already filed four bugs this morning :-) |
| 12:37.40 | paul | ah, but i gather you're far deeper into this than i am (and am ever likely to be) :) |
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| 12:41.06 | dc_ | :} |
| 12:41.12 | dc_ | morning pb_ |
| 12:41.14 | PaxAnima | hi, dc_ |
| 12:41.18 | dc_ | PaxAnima: :D |
| 12:41.40 | pb_ | hey dc_ |
| 12:41.42 | pb_ | no school today? |
| 12:42.09 | PaxAnima | dc_: about gpe-irc you talked about earlier: I haven't commited anything to it (regarding the version number thing you mentioned) |
| 12:42.20 | dc_ | PaxAnima: I must praise you for minipredict :D |
| 12:42.39 | dc_ | pb_: yup. I decided I couldn't be bothered.. |
| 12:42.41 | paul | minipredict is very cute yes, kudos. |
| 12:42.44 | PaxAnima | dc_: ;) |
| 12:42.44 | dc_ | :) |
| 12:42.52 | dc_ | PaxAnima: only one question. |
| 12:42.59 | dc_ | PaxAnima: what does the refresh button do? |
| 12:43.01 | pb_ | dc_: ha :-) |
| 12:43.25 | paul | one thing - \n's seem to confuse it: eg 'happy\nsad' minipredict takes in: happysad. |
| 12:43.53 | PaxAnima | paul: will be fixed |
| 12:44.00 | PaxAnima | dc_: well, to cycle more suggestions? |
| 12:44.09 | paul | PaxAnima: but apart from that excellent - very neat! |
| 12:44.15 | dc_ | PaxAnima: ah, okay. |
| 12:44.35 | dc_ | PaxAnima: I also think you should include any special characters that are 'inside' a word. |
| 12:44.41 | dc_ | PaxAnima: like when I have Damien's |
| 12:44.49 | dc_ | PaxAnima: or gpe-word |
| 12:45.00 | paul | (dumb question: what is difference between xstroke and xstroke-ma5?) |
| 12:45.13 | dc_ | paul: ma5 is for matchbox |
| 12:45.18 | paul | ah |
| 12:45.23 | dc_ | iirc |
| 12:45.24 | moray | PaxAnima: I suspect a different icon would be clearer |
| 12:45.25 | pb_ | paul: -ma5 was mallum's hacked version. I think it is obsolete now. |
| 12:45.30 | paul | ok |
| 12:45.39 | moray | PaxAnima: maybe just an arrow going right, or a button with '...' on it? |
| 12:45.42 | dc_ | moray, PaxAnima: my exact thought |
| 12:45.51 | dc_ | moray: oh btw, I have a new gpe-julia icon. |
| 12:45.55 | dc_ | moray: take a look at scap |
| 12:46.04 | PaxAnima | dc_: I'm still unsure of what characters to use as valid for a word and not... |
| 12:46.36 | dc_ | PaxAnima: I say just only include ones that are after a normal character |
| 12:46.37 | paul | [:alnum:]? |
| 12:46.43 | moray | dc_: hm, as I've said, I don't really like those KDE-style icons... |
| 12:46.57 | dc_ | moray: :{ |
| 12:47.09 | moray | dc_: can't you just put them all in an icon theme thing? |
| 12:47.17 | PaxAnima | moray: a new icon could be nice, yes, but haven't tried to do anything about it yet.. (but the mushroom is kinda cute;) |
| 12:47.20 | moray | dc_: then people who do (and I know there are plenty) can install them all? |
| 12:47.28 | dc_ | moray: I guess so |
| 12:48.14 | moray | dc_: until GNOME officially uses those (maybe it will start some time?) I'd personally rather that our default iconset was GNOME-style to fit with the GTK HIG etc. |
| 12:48.30 | moray | dc_: although we could easily have -gnome and -kde icon packages |
| 12:48.35 | moray | (and -bluecurve presumably) |
| 12:48.59 | dc_ | correct. |
| 12:49.48 | PaxAnima | a quick survey: what characters should be considered valid for a word? currently all characters that returns true from the isalpha() functions are considered valid |
| 12:50.36 | moray | PaxAnima: that's the right behaviour, surely? what does that cause problems with? |
| 12:51.17 | PaxAnima | was wondering if anything else should be considered valid, e.g. "-" and "_" |
| 12:51.47 | moray | PaxAnima: well, "-" potentially if there are words with it in the dictionary, I suppose, although it may be as well to ignore them |
| 12:51.58 | cmarqu | isalpha looks at the locale, right? |
| 12:52.03 | pb_ | cmarqu: yeah |
| 12:52.03 | moray | by the time you add _ it's going to start learning all your function names, which *might* be useful but could also cause problems |
| 12:52.16 | cmarqu | I might want a German dictionary but not a German locale. |
| 12:52.21 | dc_ | I would consider that usefull. |
| 12:52.30 | pb_ | cmarqu: oh, hey, I checked in the Romanian translation for libgpewidget. |
| 12:52.40 | dc_ | PaxAnima: it still has the word ranking system right? |
| 12:52.45 | PaxAnima | dc_: yup |
| 12:52.54 | moray | cmarqu: isn't the right answer to run the predictive-text program under a German locale but not everything else? |
| 12:52.58 | dc_ | so it makes sense then. |
| 12:53.13 | cmarqu | pb_: Cool. Mine got rejected by the robot sonce I used a different email address |
| 12:53.31 | dc_ | moray: if you only type in a function once or twice, chances are it'll be put right at the very bottom of the ranking list. |
| 12:53.52 | moray | dc_: so what's the point in trying to learn them? it'll just increase the dictionary size for little benefit? |
| 12:53.53 | pb_ | moray: no, I don't think that is really appropriate. The locale is intended to be a global kind of setting. It's not inconceivable that one might want to flip rapidly between, say, English and German dictionaries depending on the task at hand. |
| 12:54.02 | cmarqu | moray: Hmm. Might be a bit difficult. Would not allow me to switch dictionaries on the fly, right? |
| 12:54.34 | cmarqu | Why not allow everything that is not whitespace? |
| 12:54.36 | moray | pb_: right - but are you saying it should know how to switch locale itself, or that we should attempt to duplicate all the locale information somehow? |
| 12:54.49 | dc_ | moray: I doubt you're gonna fill your dictionary up with function names any time soon, plus if you do it's obviously usefull. |
| 12:54.57 | dc_ | moray: because you must be using them alot |
| 12:55.06 | dc_ | cmarqu: I agree |
| 12:55.29 | pb_ | moray: I think it needs to have some kind of drop-down menu to select between different languages. |
| 12:55.30 | dc_ | PaxAnima: maybe just add a startup option to disable special character reconisation :} |
| 12:55.39 | cmarqu | BRB |
| 12:55.53 | pb_ | moray: the locale information should certainly provide a default setting though. |
| 12:56.52 | dc_ | PaxAnima: so am I right in saying that the 'refresh' button will scroll along the list of words if there are more than the width of the screen alows? |
| 12:56.59 | PaxAnima | dc_: heh... its _word_ completion |
| 12:57.08 | PaxAnima | dc_: yup |
| 12:57.18 | moray | dc_: words appear with frequencies according to a 'Zipf curve' - the most frequent words appear very frequently, and to get each additional section of vocabulary you need to add exponentially more words to the dictionary |
| 12:57.55 | dc_ | PaxAnima: right, well on this subject, might I consider you hide that button untill it's needed. |
| 12:58.20 | dc_ | PaxAnima: and possibly change it to a GtkArrow pointing to the right, indicating that you can scroll right. |
| 12:58.50 | PaxAnima | dc_: well, it's needed most of the time, so I think it should be there |
| 12:59.15 | PaxAnima | as for icon choice, I'm open for suggestions |
| 12:59.20 | moray | PaxAnima: it's true that if there's only one possible word left it's confusing to show it, though it's needed normally |
| 12:59.22 | dc_ | PaxAnima: right. |
| 12:59.41 | dc_ | PaxAnima: well may I suggest a GtkArrow :} |
| 12:59.45 | moray | PaxAnima: it ought eventually to grey out when there's only the displayed words as possibilities |
| 13:00.00 | dc_ | moray: I don't think that'd work. |
| 13:00.12 | moray | dc_: how's that? |
| 13:00.14 | dc_ | moray: as it wraps back to the first word right? |
| 13:00.31 | moray | dc_: but if they're all already displayed in the window there's no wrapping to do? |
| 13:01.11 | moray | (if you've got a circular linked list, then check whether the next item (offscreen) is the same as the first item (onscreen)) |
| 13:03.19 | dc_ | moray: my bad. |
| 13:03.22 | dc_ | moray: yes. |
| 13:03.44 | dc_ | well, maybe two arror buttons will do, like what mbdock does |
| 13:03.48 | PaxAnima | GTK_STOCK_GO_FORWARD seems more intuitive |
| 13:03.53 | dc_ | PaxAnima: :) |
| 13:04.19 | dc_ | PaxAnima: I was just thinking of window size. |
| 13:04.31 | dc_ | PaxAnima: as that pixmap will probly get cut off aswell |
| 13:04.41 | PaxAnima | well, it is |
| 13:05.00 | dc_ | you can always just render it yourself to 12x12 |
| 13:05.02 | dc_ | or something |
| 13:05.09 | PaxAnima | but the mentioned icon fits |
| 13:05.14 | dc_ | PaxAnima: ah cool |
| 13:05.39 | dc_ | PaxAnima: one other thing that you might want to add is an 'enter' or 'cancel' button. |
| 13:05.52 | PaxAnima | how? |
| 13:06.02 | dc_ | PaxAnima: which does the same as space or enter on the kb does |
| 13:06.21 | PaxAnima | for what purpose? |
| 13:06.42 | dc_ | PaxAnima: if you put text into a gtkentry like in the file selector. |
| 13:06.56 | dc_ | PaxAnima: when you click ok/save/open or whatver. |
| 13:07.07 | dc_ | PaxAnima: the word will still be in miniprdict |
| 13:07.32 | PaxAnima | ah |
| 13:07.57 | dc_ | maybe GTK_STOCK_NO would make sense |
| 13:08.15 | dc_ | or CLOSE |
| 13:08.34 | PaxAnima | but it only catches KeyPress events.. when you select a file, minipredict doesn't catch the filename |
| 13:08.52 | dc_ | PaxAnima: but when you put in a filename for saving |
| 13:09.00 | dc_ | PaxAnima: not selecting |
| 13:09.04 | PaxAnima | well, yes.. |
| 13:10.01 | PaxAnima | but once a word reaches a certain frequency (think it's 64 in the current lib), all words with frequency less than 4 will be remove from the list |
| 13:10.31 | PaxAnima | so words you use really rare will eventually be removed from the dictionary |
| 13:10.36 | dc_ | PaxAnima: so.. |
| 13:10.47 | dc_ | PaxAnima: that doesn't solve that problem though. |
| 13:10.55 | PaxAnima | well, no |
| 13:10.57 | dc_ | PaxAnima: have a look for yorself. |
| 13:11.06 | dc_ | PaxAnima: open gpe-edit, write something, then tap save. |
| 13:11.23 | pb_ | dc_: it probably ought to clear the buffer when focus changes. |
| 13:11.25 | dc_ | PaxAnima: then if you type in a new filename and tap ok, the filename is sitll in minipredict. |
| 13:11.37 | dc_ | pb_: that would seem more senesible. |
| 13:11.43 | dc_ | PaxAnima: ? |
| 13:12.26 | PaxAnima | I see |
| 13:12.30 | dc_ | that'd make alot of sense, as if you change windows/apps you will want the minipredict buffer to be cleared. |
| 13:12.48 | PaxAnima | yup |
| 13:12.51 | PaxAnima | *fixing code* |
| 13:12.55 | dc_ | :) |
| 13:14.26 | PaxAnima | so clearing the minipredict when catching a FocusIn event should fix it then |
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| 13:14.49 | PaxAnima | (if I understand your correctly) |
| 13:14.57 | dc_ | PaxAnima: I guess :) |
| 13:17.00 | PaxAnima | that seemed to work |
| 13:17.05 | dc_ | yay |
| 13:17.33 | Leeds | Have you seen *this* man? http://photos.geeksgetrevenge.com/fosdem2003/Friday/img_0019.html |
| 13:20.39 | dc_ | ! |
| 13:20.44 | PaxAnima | oops.. latest minipredict doesn't use any dictionary... I'll make a new ipkg right away (with the clearing of minipredict when focus changes) |
| 13:21.05 | dc_ | PaxAnima: :) |
| 13:23.14 | dc_ | Leeds: look, there's a spooky guy in the background |
| 13:23.32 | dc_ | heh, my cheeks were all red that day for some reason |
| 13:23.41 | Leeds | there are many spooky people in many of the pictures... |
| 13:24.21 | Leeds | I'm quite proud of http://photos.geeksgetrevenge.com/fosdem2003/Sunday/img_0074.html - taken in genuine Had-Far-Too-Much-To-Drink-On-Saturday-O-Vision [TM] :;-) |
| 13:25.00 | Leeds | and there's always http://photos.geeksgetrevenge.com/fosdem2003/Friday/img_0017.html for a very scary person |
| 13:25.06 | dc_ | Leeds: quite so. |
| 13:26.15 | PaxAnima | righto.. a new version just uploaded to the feed |
| 13:26.24 | dc_ | PaxAnima: :D |
| 13:27.16 | dc_ | Leeds: hehe, good shot |
| 13:27.29 | Leeds | he was a little... drunk :-) |
| 13:29.38 | dc_ | PaxAnima: ahhh, much better looking for a start |
| 13:29.59 | PaxAnima | ;) |
| 13:30.25 | dc_ | PaxAnima: maybe in the next release consider removing the button bevel. |
| 13:30.25 | PaxAnima | it should have fixed the entry issue as well |
| 13:30.36 | dc_ | PaxAnima: great. |
| 13:31.01 | paul | pb_: to file a 'bug' to ask if gpe-login could perhaps have an icon to turn on xstroke, should i file against gpe-login or gpe-login2? (gpe-login2 will revert or has reverted back to gpe-login2, no?) |
| 13:31.18 | PaxAnima | dc_: that's a though |
| 13:31.43 | PaxAnima | t |
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| 13:32.40 | dc_ | PaxAnima: :) |
| 13:32.45 | paul | PaxAnima: i'd go for isalnum() or even ispunct() (eg for double barreled words, things like #handhelds.org, ip addresses, etc..) |
| 13:32.52 | dc_ | PaxAnima: well, the window foxus stuff works great |
| 13:32.57 | PaxAnima | dc_: cool |
| 13:33.17 | PaxAnima | paul: well, "." is a good sign of an ended sentence |
| 13:33.31 | paul | PaxAnima: bugger, yes. |
| 13:33.50 | paul | isalnum so. |
| 13:34.50 | paul | or you could do, ispunct() unless word[last] == '.' - but then you go down a long road of special case rules. |
| 13:35.00 | moray | paul/PaxAnima: but then you'll end up learning e.g. 'learning', 'learning,', '"learning",', 'learning;' etc. etc. etc. |
| 13:35.12 | paul | moray: yeah. |
| 13:35.16 | dc_ | so... |
| 13:35.19 | moray | PaxAnima: no, it's not a good sign I'm afraid - or at least not a foolproof one |
| 13:35.32 | moray | PaxAnima: e.g. ... for one thing, but more significantly it shows abbreviations too |
| 13:35.38 | moray | PaxAnima: e.g. "e.g." |
| 13:35.47 | moray | e.g. "Mr. J. Smith" |
| 13:35.52 | dc_ | why don't we just remember special characters that are the first charater or inside a word :} |
| 13:35.59 | PaxAnima | yup.. I'll stick with my isalpha() version |
| 13:36.09 | dc_ | :] |
| 13:36.16 | moray | PaxAnima: how are you intending on not learning typos? |
| 13:36.32 | moray | PaxAnima: or are you just hoping they're infrequent? |
| 13:36.39 | PaxAnima | moray: well, yes ;) |
| 13:36.57 | paul | PaxAnima: isalnum - that'll work for MD5 - RIPv3, etc.. |
| 13:37.12 | PaxAnima | but there's now way to tell a typo from the real thing |
| 13:38.06 | pb_ | paul: file against gpe-login, either in handhelds.org bugzilla or gpe bugzilla. |
| 13:38.19 | pb_ | paul: the -2 names are just temporary, yes. |
| 13:38.35 | paul | k, filling against handhelds.org bugzilla. |
| 13:39.30 | paul | also, if gpe-login and the screensaver were xstroke enabled, then it might be useful for xstroke to have a "no visible stroke" option. (will file that too :) ) |
| 13:39.42 | paul | what package does the screensaver belong to? |
| 13:39.48 | pb_ | gpe-login also |
| 13:39.53 | paul | ta |
| 13:40.06 | PaxAnima | paul: well, there is a security risk by using minipredict: it will also catch passwords... |
| 13:40.48 | PaxAnima | so allowing for numbers would at least catch one of my passwords and add it to the dictionary |
| 13:45.28 | moray | I'm not sure that most people would expect numbers to be completed |
| 13:45.36 | PaxAnima | don't think so |
| 13:45.42 | moray | if they had it running while using e.g. a spreadsheet it would just end up learning to count ;) |
| 13:45.51 | PaxAnima | ;) |
| 13:45.56 | moray | by learning 'all the numbers' eventually |
| 13:46.08 | PaxAnima | yup |
| 13:46.22 | PaxAnima | call be old fashioned, but words consists of letters |
| 14:03.05 | paul | PaxAnima: fair enough. |
| 14:05.53 | PaxAnima | just wait around for cworth to find the bug with xstroke, and minipredict should be pretty much done, codewise... just find and package dictinaries |
| 14:11.31 | paul | woohoo... it is /very/ cute :) |
| 14:13.33 | PaxAnima | the bug could be related to Eterm not working with minipredict as well.. hmm |
| 14:19.07 | dc_ | ah yes, I hope the xstroke one gets fixed |
| 14:19.47 | PaxAnima | it could be my code, since e.g. Eterm and Aterme doesn't work with minipredict either |
| 14:20.36 | PaxAnima | but it's not quite the same behaviour: if you launch minipredict _after_ your app, xstroke works |
| 14:20.52 | dc_ | strange |
| 14:21.01 | PaxAnima | and I'd guess that Aterm and Eterm not working is a security feature |
| 14:21.03 | pb_ | you could try using xscope to diagnose the failure. |
| 14:21.12 | PaxAnima | xscope? |
| 14:22.05 | pb_ | ibot, search google for xscope keithp.com |
| 14:22.15 | pb_ | hm, no help there. |
| 14:22.24 | pb_ | well, have a look around keithp.com manually, you should be able to track it down. |
| 14:22.36 | PaxAnima | ok |
| 14:23.16 | PaxAnima | it _could_ be gdk's fault |
| 14:24.53 | PaxAnima | I use the gdk_window_add_filter() which returns GDK_FILTER_CONTINUE |
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| 14:40.34 | dc__ | :\ |
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| 14:47.18 | dc__ | afternoon moray |
| 14:47.21 | dc__ | jg: ! |
| 14:47.42 | jg | dc_:dc: ! |
| 14:47.48 | dc__ | jg: :) |
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| 15:39.12 | dc_ | little bit of a power cut there :| |
| 15:44.51 | pb_ | nasty. |
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| 15:46.59 | mallum | hey |
| 15:47.16 | dc_ | mallum: yo! |
| 15:47.27 | pb_ | hi mallum |
| 15:48.12 | mallum | hey dc_, pb_ |
| 15:48.18 | mallum | dc_: no school ? |
| 15:48.44 | dc_ | mallum: yup :D |
| 15:49.07 | mallum | dc_: woohoo ! |
| 15:49.16 | dc_ | mallum: :DD |
| 15:49.27 | mallum | dc_: I've been figuring out the whole icon themeing thing and themeing in general |
| 15:49.34 | dc_ | mallum: ooooh :) |
| 15:50.38 | mallum | dc_: cool |
| 15:51.10 | dc_ | mallum: so, how does this themeing work then? |
| 15:51.17 | mallum | dc_: I've added a prototype function into libMB which will look up an icon according to aa theme |
| 15:51.36 | dc_ | mallum: I was thinking of writing a page for gpe.hh.org on how apps should handle their icons. |
| 15:51.39 | dc_ | and pixmaps |
| 15:51.47 | dc_ | mallum: aa theme? |
| 15:51.57 | mallum | dc_: a theme I meant |
| 15:52.02 | dc_ | right |
| 15:52.11 | mallum | dc_: you basically have a theme name ( all ascii chars ) |
| 15:52.15 | dc_ | mallum: right. |
| 15:52.37 | dc_ | mallum: maybe we can have the same theme system for both gtk and mb. |
| 15:52.45 | dc_ | mallum: but with different implementations. |
| 15:52.50 | mallum | dc_: ih yeah defiently |
| 15:53.01 | dc_ | mallum: right, and then I guess gconf just sends off changes to both. |
| 15:53.03 | dc_ | mallum: :) |
| 15:53.17 | mallum | dc_: all you need to know is the theme name |
| 15:53.38 | mallum | dc_: gtk expects xsettings to have that as NET/Themename |
| 15:54.05 | mallum | dc_: you then check /usr/share/themes/<theme name>/<app name>/ |
| 15:54.09 | dc_ | mallum: can we make our gconf change it for both then? |
| 15:54.13 | mallum | for theme definitions |
| 15:54.21 | dc_ | mallum: as in? |
| 15:54.35 | mallum | dc_: and /usr/share/icons/<theme name> for icons |
| 15:54.44 | dc_ | right. |
| 15:55.07 | mallum | dc_: when you load an icon you should first check ~/.icons, then /usr/share/icons/<theme name>, then /usr/share/pixmaps |
| 15:55.25 | mallum | dc_: thats it in a nutshell |
| 15:55.28 | dc_ | mallum: right'o make sure we write this down :) |
| 15:55.31 | dc_ | mallum: okay. |
| 15:55.56 | dc_ | mallum: that'll solve alot of things :) |
| 15:56.05 | dc_ | mallum: and keep moray happy at the same time! |
| 15:56.29 | dc_ | mallum: have a look at scap if you like, some nice scaps of the bluecurve icon theme I've been working on. |
| 15:56.47 | mallum | dc_: its a little more complicated than that ( index.theme files ) but Im not sure how much we need to worry about thart |
| 15:56.51 | dc_ | mallum: oh. and. that makes me wonder, can we include backgrounds with themes? |
| 15:57.17 | dc_ | mallum: sure, yes, I have seen those files wondering round /usr/share/icons before. |
| 15:58.02 | dc_ | pb_: how do I force or tell a GtkEntry (that's inside a GtkCombo) to shrink to an optimum width? |
| 15:58.12 | mallum | dc_: oh yeah thats looking nice :-) |
| 15:58.40 | dc_ | mallum: I really like the kde icon from julia, but moray hates it ;] |
| 15:58.45 | mallum | dc_: yeah we just have a /usr/share/themes/themename/background/image or whatever I guess |
| 15:58.54 | dc_ | mallum: goody! |
| 15:59.03 | mallum | dc_: well we can overide them now |
| 15:59.05 | pb_ | dc_: it should do that automatically. |
| 15:59.29 | dc_ | pb_: on the iPAQ, or just gtk2 generaly? |
| 15:59.33 | moray | dc_: I didn't say I *hated* it ;) -- I could live with it, but I'd prefer a GNOMEified version myself |
| 15:59.45 | pb_ | dc_: just generally. Where are you having trouble? |
| 15:59.51 | dc_ | moray: I understand. |
| 15:59.56 | dc_ | moray: ;] |
| 15:59.57 | mallum | dc_: just make a /icons/dc/julia.png or whatever and set the theme to 'dc' and it'll get overidden :-) |
| 16:00.11 | dc_ | pb_: ah wait.... |
| 16:00.14 | mallum | dc_: ( not just yet however, I need to add the actual code ) |
| 16:00.19 | pb_ | dc_: gtk2 on non-ipaq does have a larger minimum width for gtkentry (150 pixels I think) so that might be causing you truble. |
| 16:00.22 | moray | dc_: yeah, those KDE icons look like something some 15 year old drew you know :p ;) |
| 16:00.22 | pb_ | trouble even |
| 16:00.29 | dc_ | pb_: if they're put into a GtkToolbar it's homogeneous isn't it. |
| 16:00.40 | pb_ | dc_: yes, I think toolbars always are. |
| 16:01.00 | dc_ | that's why :} |
| 16:01.12 | pb_ | aha. |
| 16:01.16 | dc_ | moray: and he was probly german |
| 16:01.25 | moray | lol |
| 16:01.59 | mallum | dc_: we should think about getting a Defualt gpe theme togeather, with matchbox, gtk1 + gtk2, background etc ... |
| 16:03.05 | dc_ | mallum: without any icons though, right? |
| 16:03.31 | mallum | dc_: yeah we can just assume normal icons found in /usr/share/pixmaps I guess |
| 16:03.38 | dc_ | right |
| 16:04.17 | mallum | I think the defualt icon theme is meant to be called hicolor, but that icons dir canb just be empty |
| 16:04.37 | dc_ | on my system I have a default one called gnome |
| 16:04.51 | dc_ | mallum: we can always just call the default one 'default' :) |
| 16:05.00 | mallum | also svg icons are a nono as loads of fp in librsvg :( |
| 16:05.14 | dc_ | :(( |
| 16:05.16 | dc_ | how sad |
| 16:05.16 | mallum | dc_: yeah the spec says hicolor for some reason ... |
| 16:05.27 | dc_ | strange.. |
| 16:05.40 | mallum | dc_: well the fp is in libart which librsvg uses |
| 16:05.45 | pb_ | dc_: the fp may not be a problem for much longer. |
| 16:05.51 | dc_ | true. |
| 16:05.52 | dc_ | :) |
| 16:06.02 | mallum | dc_: Im not sure if cworth's svg lib uses much fp ... lets hope not |
| 16:07.30 | mallum | pb_: how come ? |
| 16:08.00 | mallum | pb_: netwinder patches ? |
| 16:08.07 | pb_ | mallum: with the new eabi fp will be faster by approx a factor of 10 |
| 16:08.17 | mallum | pb_: wow cooooool :-) |
| 16:08.22 | dc_ | wahay |
| 16:08.35 | mallum | opengl here we come |
| 16:08.41 | pb_ | heh |
| 16:09.12 | pb_ | well, it'll still be slow enough that you wouldn't want to use it deliberately, but hopefully no longer so bad as to be completely prohibitive for stuff like svg. |
| 16:09.26 | mallum | pb_: is there a eta for its arrival ? |
| 16:09.37 | pb_ | dunno, probably 8-12 weeks out I would guess. |
| 16:09.46 | mallum | nice |
| 16:10.06 | pb_ | depends on numerous factors, unfortunately. |
| 16:10.39 | mallum | pb_: it may be worth checking if you can overide a gtk2.2 stock icon, by placing an icon of the same required name in ~/.icons |
| 16:10.51 | mallum | s/pb_/dc/ |
| 16:11.09 | dc_ | mallum: I'll see. |
| 16:11.46 | dc_ | it might have to be in the actions folder though |
| 16:12.01 | mallum | wheres that at ? |
| 16:12.27 | dc_ | mallum: /usr/share/icons/sometheme/16x16/actions/ |
| 16:13.17 | mallum | dc_: are right, it may just work |
| 16:13.38 | mallum | dc_: otherwisew try creating a ~/.icons/16x16/actions/ |
| 16:15.43 | dc_ | that could also work :) |
| 16:15.47 | dc_ | lets see. |
| 16:19.34 | mallum | dc_: I should be able to hack basic support for this into mbdesktop/menu this evening btw |
| 16:19.55 | dc_ | wahay :D |
| 16:21.43 | dc_ | mallum: doesn't seem to have any effect on gtk2. |
| 16:21.53 | mallum | dc_: bah :( |
| 16:21.58 | mallum | dc_: 2.0 ? |
| 16:22.03 | dc_ | on the iPA |
| 16:22.04 | dc_ | Q |
| 16:22.22 | mallum | do you have strace ? |
| 16:22.34 | dc_ | not on the iPAQ |
| 16:23.42 | mallum | dc_: I would try it on your laptop and see if it makes any attempt to open .icons |
| 16:24.17 | dc_ | or on my desktop :} |
| 16:30.13 | mallum | dc_: also you should be able to theme individual folders in mbdesktop soon |
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| 16:52.23 | dc_ | ack |
| 16:52.33 | dc_ | mallum: remind be not to strace gedit again |
| 16:55.34 | mallum | dc_: dont strace gedit again |
| 16:55.39 | dc_ | :) |
| 16:55.40 | dc_ | brb |
| 16:55.43 | mallum | dc_: and remember grep is your friend |
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| 17:02.58 | dc_ | hrm. |
| 17:16.04 | cmarqu | pb_: Oh, I see there is an 'install-mo' target in Makeile.translation already. Should I be able to do something like this: |
| 17:16.13 | cmarqu | ashwork:/opt/applications/gpe_cvs/gpe/base/gpe-ownerinfo2$ make install-mo |
| 17:16.13 | cmarqu | make: *** No rule to make target `po/gpe-ownerinfo2.pot', needed by `po/de.po'. Stop. |
| 17:16.41 | cmarqu | There seems to be just a dependency on update-po missing? |
| 17:19.29 | pb_ | cmarqu: Hrm, strange. It shouldn't be attempting to do anything with the .pot file there. |
| 17:19.45 | pb_ | cmarqu: all that "install-mo" should do is run the .po files through msgfmt and recode, then ship the results. |
| 17:19.50 | cmarqu | It seems that if I run extract-po by hand before, it works. |
| 17:20.29 | pb_ | Strange. Well, in practice of course you always will have a .pot file, but I would be a bit concerned that it might be trying to run msgmerge or some other bad thing. |
| 17:21.12 | cmarqu | It Hmmm, would that actually b bad? |
| 17:21.24 | cmarqu | Damn lag... |
| 17:21.27 | pb_ | cmarqu: Yes, it will upset the translators. They want to do that themselves. |
| 17:21.42 | paul | pb_: i've one more thing to annoy you with :) |
| 17:21.56 | paul | pb_: would it be possible maybe to have gpe-login set the locale? |
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| 17:22.24 | pb_ | paul: Yes, we were talking about that just last week. All that's really required is for someone to come up with an appropriate user interface. |
| 17:22.49 | mallum | flags ? |
| 17:22.51 | paul | pb_: eg, the way a few other display managers (gdm, kdm) present a drop down menu to allow user to select locale for their session. |
| 17:23.11 | paul | pb_: appropriate user interface? |
| 17:23.48 | pb_ | paul: well, for example the flags thing that mallum just mentioned. Or maybe a simple textual list of languages would be okay. |
| 17:24.44 | paul | pb_: a drop down list of the text names for available locales would be sufficient (thats how most current desktop linux dists have their display managers set up these days) |
| 17:24.46 | paul | no? |
| 17:25.03 | pb_ | paul: okay. |
| 17:26.09 | paul | should i file a bugzilla? :) |
| 17:26.29 | pb_ | sure. |
| 17:26.41 | pb_ | if you could locate some code to obtain a list of the locales and their names, that would be even better. |
| 17:27.55 | paul | let me look at over the weekend. :) |
| 17:28.01 | pb_ | cool |
| 17:28.29 | pb_ | it is. |
| 17:30.27 | paul | i'll have a look at the glibc info page over weekend. maybe look at gdm source too. |
| 17:30.32 | pb_ | great. |
| 17:31.16 | paul | bloody hell, pxa /eats/ battery. :( |
| 17:31.41 | pb_ | there's some kind of kernel bug I think, it doesn't seem to be getting fully into power-down state during suspend. |
| 17:32.17 | pb_ | Christian also made a patch to allow turning off the turbo bit, which will help with run-mode power consumption. |
| 17:32.59 | paul | ah |
| 17:34.11 | paul | otoh, pxa is noticeably faster than the SA1100 in the 3800 i had last week. but... the 3800 seemed to last a day or two of 'office' use (ie every now and then adding appointment). |
| 17:35.11 | pb_ | yeah, there is certainly still work to be done on the power management side of things. |
| 17:36.34 | paul | sounds is still a WIP too, correct? |
| 17:36.42 | pb_ | yeah. |
| 17:36.56 | pb_ | I think playback is sorta okay, but I have never tried recording and it is probably in bad shape. |
| 17:37.09 | pb_ | there's also an issue with various clicks and pops at the start and end of playback. |
| 17:37.49 | pb_ | not to mention that the strongarm ipaqs are mostly using ALSA nowadays, whereas the pxa is currently stuck with oss. |
| 17:39.04 | paul | bleedin' edge is never boring :) |
| 17:39.22 | pb_ | quite so. |
| 17:39.37 | paul | hehe |
| 17:46.32 | paul | will you be around over the weekend pb? |
| 17:46.58 | pb_ | yeah, probably. |
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| 17:51.16 | cmarqu | And so on from there. |
| 17:51.27 | pb_ | cmarqu: yeah. I just looked at Makefile.translation. I think we should delete this rule: |
| 17:51.31 | pb_ | $(DIR_PO)/%.po: $(DIR_PO)/$(PACKAGE).pot |
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| 17:52.33 | cmarqu | Can you do it? I can't easily from here. |
| 17:52.39 | pb_ | Sure. |
| 17:53.13 | cmarqu | I also noticed that every other time I call update-po, it does the msgmerge part. |
| 17:53.26 | pb_ | Okay, done. |
| 17:54.04 | cmarqu | Hmm, now I need to install recode :) |
| 17:54.15 | pb_ | Yes indeed. |
| 17:54.57 | cmarqu | Aren't people using iconv more these days? |
| 17:55.18 | pb_ | Dunno. Maybe. |
| 17:55.42 | pb_ | I guess iconv comes with libc6, so that would make sense. |
| 17:55.48 | cmarqu | Yeah. |
| 17:56.15 | pb_ | I'll see if I can change the makefiles appropriately. Shouldn't be too hard. |
| 17:56.23 | cmarqu | Seems that Knoppix doesn't ship recode by default, which is what my system basically is. |
| 17:56.39 | pb_ | Right. |
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| 17:57.42 | dc_ | made it.. |
| 17:57.46 | dc_ | I live on :] |
| 17:57.48 | pb_ | dc_: phew. |
| 17:57.54 | dc_ | :] |
| 17:57.56 | cmarqu | pb_: Are you getting notified if somebody uploads a new translation to the TP robot? |
| 17:57.57 | pb_ | dc_: what kind of jeopardy were you facing there? |
| 17:58.00 | pb_ | cmarqu: Yes. |
| 17:58.06 | dc_ | and the gpe-word gui is now looking better than ever. |
| 17:58.09 | dc_ | pb_: modem problems |
| 17:58.11 | pb_ | cmarqu: at least, I have been notified once. |
| 17:58.14 | pb_ | dc_: aha. |
| 17:58.27 | cmarqu | pb_: Nice. |
| 17:58.29 | dc_ | cmarqu: ah btw, the progressive zooming should be in cvs now. |
| 17:58.50 | cmarqu | dc_: Great. Will try it soon. |
| 17:59.44 | dc_ | pb_: :) |
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| 19:34.15 | paul | bfn |
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| 20:39.54 | flypiper | pb_: do you know anyone that runs video on their ipaq? |
| 20:41.40 | flypiper | err better claify that... composite video feed, like from one of my pin-head video camera's that I build in a pager?? |
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| 20:57.11 | dc_ | finaly.. |
| 20:57.23 | dc_ | damn dialup :\ |
| 21:11.04 | dc_ | pb_: gpe-word is looking _pretty_ cool now :D |
| 21:20.15 | pb_ | dc_: excellent! |
| 21:20.40 | pb_ | dc_: oh, btw, I tested gpe-soundbite earlier. |
| 21:20.53 | dc_ | pb_: okay..? |
| 21:21.12 | pb_ | dc_: it seemed to work mostly okay, though the end of the recording is cut off. I think there is some buffering problem. |
| 21:21.20 | dc_ | pb_: ahh. |
| 21:21.32 | dc_ | pb_: well I guess someone will have to fix it sometime. |
| 21:25.07 | dc_ | pb_: have a look at scap :) |
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| 21:26.26 | pb_ | dc_: well, it seems jamey is making great strides with the h5400. |
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| 21:27.44 | dc_ | pb_: has he got the kernel booting then? |
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| 21:38.50 | cmarqu | dc_: see the ipaq list |
| 21:39.31 | cmarqu | Night. |
| 21:40.39 | dc_ | right |
| 21:40.43 | dc_ | cool :D |
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| 22:36.43 | mallum | dc_: hey |
| 22:48.18 | mallum | jg: first 4.3 cursor theme I've seen -> http://www.kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=4805 ( its pretty ugly though ) |
| 22:49.57 | mallum | more here http://www.kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=4975 ( slightly better ) |
| 23:08.18 | dc_ | mallum: evening |
| 23:09.03 | dc_ | mallum: seen the gpe-word scap yet? |
| 23:09.16 | dc_ | mallum: ah, those pointers arn't bad. |
| 23:09.39 | dc_ | mallum: the hand sucks, but the pointer is certianly pretty cute |
| 23:10.02 | dc_ | mallum: the jimmac ones are defently the best so far. |
| 23:10.12 | dc_ | mallum: we just need to get them converted right? |
| 23:13.52 | mallum | dc_: yeah |
| 23:14.22 | dc_ | god knows how : |
| 23:14.24 | dc_ | :\ |
| 23:14.31 | mallum | dc_: also see http://www.kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=4581 |
| 23:14.46 | mallum | dc_: there is a tool in x cvs which coverts pngs |
| 23:14.50 | dc_ | I'm just looking through some of the icon themes. |
| 23:15.05 | dc_ | I know it seems silly, but a few are really nice. |
| 23:15.10 | dc_ | mallum: ah cool. |
| 23:15.40 | dc_ | mallum: yes...I think the kde icons themes are well suited for the iPAQ as they're nice and clear, but on the desktop they just look like childsplay |
| 23:17.44 | mallum | dc_: yeah, I like the fact there nice and bright |
| 23:18.35 | mallum | dc_: alot of the popular kde icons sets seem to be all osx-ish ( not nice ) |
| 23:19.09 | dc_ | it seems so. |
| 23:19.28 | dc_ | shallow color gradients look real bad on the iPAQ. |
| 23:19.53 | dc_ | so yeah, I guess we have to forget about most of the os-x type ones looking any good |
| 23:20.47 | Jacmet | mallum, dc_: Hi, got safely home from fosdem? |
| 23:21.01 | dc_ | yeah ;) |
| 23:21.11 | Jacmet | good ;) |
| 23:21.17 | dc_ | Jacmet: we only _just_ made it to the tunnel in time on the way back |
| 23:21.23 | dc_ | mallum: http://www.kdelook.org/content/preview.php?file=4581-1.png those are nice. |
| 23:21.35 | Jacmet | dc_ ;) |
| 23:22.41 | mallum | dc_: yeah |
| 23:22.46 | mallum | Jacmet: hey ;-) |
| 23:26.27 | Jacmet | gaah, getting late, going to bed - see ya! |
| 23:31.27 | mallum | dc_: yeah word scap looks really nice :-) |
| 23:32.28 | mallum | dc_: I like the dropdowns on the toolbar buttons |
| 23:32.35 | dc_ | lets hope it works just aswell as it looks :) |
| 23:32.51 | dc_ | mallum: they took 5 hours to perfect. so I'm very glad you like them :) |
| 23:33.05 | mallum | is there any functionality as yet ? |
| 23:33.29 | dc_ | except for typing in plain text, no. |
| 23:33.53 | dc_ | i just finished the ui, so I'm starting on the real stuff. |
| 23:34.05 | dc_ | one problem has come in my way though. |
| 23:34.26 | dc_ | mallum: it seems there isn't a way to add tags to the text that in inserted into a GtkTextBuffer. |
| 23:34.41 | mallum | dc_: must be |
| 23:34.52 | mallum | dc_: have you asked on #gtk+ ? |
| 23:34.54 | dc_ | mallum: it would seem you can only edit its tags by going back and changing the character. |
| 23:34.55 | dc_ | mallum: not yet. |
| 23:35.45 | pb_ | dc_: gtk_text_buffer_insert_with_tags isn't what you want? |
| 23:36.16 | dc_ | pb_: well, because the text is from the user, it's not what I want. |
| 23:36.16 | dc_ | pb_: unless I somehow interupt the text being inserted. |
| 23:36.37 | dc_ | pb_: as in, the text coming from the keyboard. |
| 23:36.38 | dc_ | or any other input device :\ |
| 23:37.03 | pb_ | dc_: oh, I see, you want to apply tags to stuff that is being inserted interactively from the keyboard. |
| 23:37.09 | dc_ | correct. |
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| 23:38.19 | mallum | dc_: can you intercept the key events ? |
| 23:38.50 | dc_ | mallum: if I knew how.. |
| 23:39.37 | mallum | dc_: I sure pb does ;-) |
| 23:41.47 | pb_ | dc_: well, you _can_ intercept the key events with a GdkFilter, but it seems like the wrong thing. |
| 23:42.23 | pb_ | dc_: your best bet is probably to ask the gtk dudes for guidance. |
| 23:43.11 | pb_ | hi flypiper |
| 23:43.28 | flypiper | pb_: evening:) |
| 23:45.21 | dc_ | hi flypiper |
| 23:45.42 | flypiper | pb_: I have a request from a PI Company for a covert minicamera in an ipaq, using the ipaq and a sleeve to basically record video. I found some docs on a couple of boards, and thought you might have heard of someone doing this on an ipaq? |
| 23:45.54 | flypiper | dc_: hey.. how you been |
| 23:46.14 | dc_ | flypiper: alive :) |
| 23:46.37 | flypiper | dc_: that is better than the alternative:) |
| 23:46.37 | pb_ | flypiper: wow, funky. no, I don't think I've heard of anybody doing that exactly. CRL have their backpaq cameras of course, but they are hardly covert. |
| 23:47.01 | dc_ | flypiper: isn't there some nexi something one? |
| 23:47.08 | dc_ | flypiper: or is that just for stills. |
| 23:47.23 | pb_ | flypiper: most of the commonly available video input solutions use either PCI or USB. |
| 23:47.36 | flypiper | pb_: my camera is the size of a dime and runs on 5V.. but gives composit output |
| 23:48.19 | flypiper | yea.. that is the problem.. these people want to use an ipaq because they can video while nobody around them will suspect a camera.. |
| 23:48.36 | flypiper | this could be kinda tough:( |
| 23:49.03 | pb_ | flypiper: what kind of performance do they need - does it need to be full motion video? |
| 23:50.04 | flypiper | pb_: yea they use video camera's to tape insurance claim people from half mile away.. so has to have fairly good quality |
| 23:50.51 | pb_ | flypiper: trouble is, the ipaq sleeve interface is not exactly high speed. Shipping large amounts of uncompressed video across it would be no fun. |
| 23:51.14 | flypiper | exactly what i was thinking |
| 23:51.45 | pb_ | I think someone like Analog Devices might make a single-chip video codec with a fairly simple interface. Might be worth investigating that kind of thing. |
| 23:52.15 | flypiper | DAMN.. your the man.. thanks.. I will check it out.... THANKS :\ |
| 23:52.52 | pb_ | good luck. :-} |
| 23:54.06 | flypiper | pb_: thanks |
