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| 09:23.43 | florian_ | hi all |
| 09:27.04 | cmarqu_werk | Hi florian_ |
| 09:27.23 | cmarqu_werk | florian_: You are not near nils right now? |
| 09:27.36 | cmarqu_werk | http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgHackForLocales -- this might interest him |
| 09:28.36 | cmarqu_werk | I also did some work on the wiki this morning, check http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/RecentChanges |
| 09:30.07 | cmarqu_werk | Oh, and has nils ever looked at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/GpeCrossCompilation or added his new stuff to it? |
| 09:31.13 | florian_ | cmarqu_werk: not now, but later - at the moment i try gpe-irc |
| 09:31.56 | cmarqu_werk | Ok. I'll just send him a mail for now :) |
| 09:33.22 | florian_ | ah, ok - i think he forgot to add his new stuff |
| 09:36.09 | cmarqu_werk | Well, now he knows about it. |
| 09:36.18 | cmarqu_werk | Once he reads his mail that is. |
| 09:36.36 | florian_ | gpe rulez |
| 09:37.10 | cmarqu_werk | In what respect especially? |
| 09:38.00 | florian_ | oh, just tested stroke input :-) |
| 09:39.03 | florian_ | i`d like to see gpe on this new zaurus |
| 09:40.50 | cmarqu_werk | Indeed. |
| 09:41.16 | cmarqu_werk | FWIW, I added some comments on http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/CurrentThingsToDo about your gpe-dataconf-empty.tar.gz |
| 09:42.27 | florian_ | ah, cool - i'll check this later |
| 09:43.57 | florian_ | CurrentThingsToDo is one page that should be cleand a little bit... |
| 09:44.16 | cmarqu_werk | Yup. Working on this. |
| 09:44.43 | cmarqu_werk | Since much of that stuff is about gpe-conf, should this get its own page? |
| 09:44.50 | florian_ | great |
| 09:46.46 | florian_ | yes, this is a good idea. maybe we should add a paragraph about what currently works :-/ |
| 09:50.14 | cmarqu_werk | http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/GPEConfiguration is your now :) |
| 09:52.01 | florian_ | :-) i'll look - as soon ipsec on this ... works... |
| 09:53.02 | florian_ | many thanks! |
| 09:53.21 | cmarqu_werk | NP |
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| 10:40.21 | florian_ | cmarqu_werk: aded a small correction... |
| 10:40.39 | florian_ | s/aded/added |
| 10:40.48 | PaxAnima | morning |
| 10:40.56 | florian_ | PaxAnima: hello! |
| 10:43.03 | PaxAnima | hi, florian_ |
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| 10:56.14 | florian_ | pb_: hi pb_ |
| 10:57.24 | pb_ | hi florian_ |
| 11:05.31 | cmarqu_werk | Hi pb_ |
| 11:05.41 | pb_ | hi cmarqu_werk |
| 11:06.03 | cmarqu_werk | florian_: What correction? I see you added a link to Ding, right? |
| 11:10.49 | florian_ | just about the difference between deprecated and broken gtk stuff |
| 11:15.41 | cmarqu_werk | I just created http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/ImminentZeroPointSevenRelease |
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| 11:15.49 | cmarqu_werk | florian_: Ah, okay. |
| 11:16.01 | cmarqu_werk | Hi mallum |
| 11:16.27 | florian_ | ahhhh |
| 11:16.38 | florian_ | mallum: hi |
| 11:17.43 | pb_ | cmarqu_werk: cool, I see you have been busy in the wiki recently. |
| 11:20.04 | cmarqu_werk | Yup. That's what I can do without asking too many stupid questions :) |
| 11:27.19 | cmarqu_werk | pb_: Did you do something yet about the translation stuff? As it needs time and depends on external translators, it should be done as early as possible... |
| 11:29.15 | mallum | hey all |
| 11:31.14 | pb_ | hi mallum |
| 11:31.22 | pb_ | cmarqu_werk: not yet, but I will try to get on that case this afternoon. |
| 11:31.59 | pb_ | cmarqu_werk: I planned to do so yesterday but got distracted by building the new bootstrap images and stuff like that. |
| 11:32.53 | cmarqu_werk | pb_: Fine. |
| 11:34.50 | pb_ | cmarqu_werk: what's the status of the German keyboard layout at the moment? Is there a working one of those packaged? |
| 11:36.03 | cmarqu_werk | I think the latest package should work, but it may not use the current naming scheme. |
| 11:36.22 | cmarqu_werk | Hmm, what was the package name again... |
| 11:36.58 | cmarqu_werk | http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org/details.phtml?package=xkbd-layout-de&official=&format= |
| 11:37.22 | PaxAnima | cmarqu_werk: does your package have the correct naming for the layout file? |
| 11:38.03 | cmarqu_werk | PaxAnima: Guess not. |
| 11:38.20 | cmarqu_werk | Do you remember what it should be? |
| 11:38.24 | PaxAnima | I'm not sure either ;) |
| 11:39.23 | PaxAnima | mallum: what was the correct names for the xkbd layout files? (that you, cmarqu_werk and I agreed on, once upon a time) |
| 11:40.08 | cmarqu_werk | I think Pierre had a french layout too, I should akso him for that and package it. |
| 11:40.19 | cmarqu_werk | s/akso/ask/ |
| 11:41.13 | PaxAnima | ok |
| 11:41.59 | cmarqu_werk | PaxAnima: ./usr/share/xkbd/en_GB.qwerty.tiny.xkbd is in the xkbd package, that would be it I guess |
| 11:42.44 | PaxAnima | ah |
| 11:42.57 | cmarqu_werk | http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org/details.phtml?package=xkbd&official=&format= |
| 11:43.52 | PaxAnima | yup |
| 11:43.58 | PaxAnima | I'll fix mine right away |
| 11:44.38 | mallum | I've been working on a new matchbox logo -> http://handhelds.org/~mallum/matchbox.png |
| 11:47.08 | PaxAnima | mallum: do you want the xkbd layouts to use .desktop? |
| 11:47.52 | mallum | PaxAnima: how do you mean ? put them in a .desktop type format ? |
| 11:48.04 | PaxAnima | yes |
| 11:48.34 | mallum | I dont think it would work, theres not enough structure in a .desktop file |
| 11:48.42 | mallum | I guess really they need to be proper xml |
| 11:49.13 | PaxAnima | oh, misunderstood: should the _menu_ files be in .desktop or old menu format? |
| 11:49.49 | mallum | probably .desktop |
| 11:50.41 | mallum | PaxAnima: one thing xkbd needs to do is read the system locale and load the according layout file |
| 11:51.02 | mallum | PaxAnima: then we'd only need one .desktop file |
| 11:51.08 | PaxAnima | not so sure |
| 11:51.27 | PaxAnima | I, for instance, don't have the local set to no_NO |
| 11:52.04 | mallum | yes but in the future one would assume you would |
| 11:52.16 | mallum | does this look dodgy to people http://shop.conics.net/pda/zaurus-sl-c700/ |
| 11:52.57 | PaxAnima | looks big |
| 11:53.20 | cmarqu_werk | I think keyboard layout should not be tied to a locale. Maybe offer a default layout, but not more. |
| 11:53.42 | cmarqu_werk | The current layout would be an xsetting. |
| 11:53.53 | pb_ | cmarqu_werk: agreed |
| 11:55.16 | mallum | yeah, though Im a little concerned at the moment about tieing lots of stuff to XSettings |
| 11:56.53 | mallum | it lacks alot of features at the moment ( and I wouldn't be at all suprised if a gconf over D-BUS appeared soon which would probably be a much better option ) |
| 11:58.09 | cmarqu_werk | While we are talking about keyboards... would it be possible to link minipredict stronger to xkbd? So that it comes up together with xkbd if the user wants that, and always stays above (or below) of xkbd? |
| 11:58.56 | cmarqu_werk | And so that it folds in together with xkbd (and comes up again with xstroke)... |
| 11:59.26 | pb_ | Yes, that might be a nice idea. You could easily make a "container" program that reparented xkbd and minipredict into itself and appeared as a single toolbar window. |
| 11:59.54 | mallum | cmarqu_werk: I think it would be nice if we made the whole input thing work a little more automatically - eg a small daemon runs and launches the user selected input mechansim on demand ( togeather with minipredict ) if wanted |
| 12:00.25 | PaxAnima | could embed xkbd into minipredict with a commandline option? |
| 12:01.26 | mallum | PaxAnima: it would be pretty easy todo, have a look at who gpe-login does it |
| 12:01.50 | PaxAnima | yup |
| 12:02.10 | PaxAnima | but the best would be to have a general solution |
| 12:02.38 | mallum | I thing it is a general solution |
| 12:02.51 | PaxAnima | well, not with xstroke |
| 12:03.43 | PaxAnima | but sure, I can try it out |
| 12:04.20 | mallum | yeah not with xstroke, thats why I suggested the above |
| 12:05.31 | PaxAnima | guess the best would be to have minipredict lurk in the background, and make it activate itself if xstroke or xkbd is launched |
| 12:06.16 | mallum | PaxAnima: yeah thats what this little daemon I spoke of would basically do |
| 12:06.44 | mallum | PaxAnima: also apps for request an input mechanism by messaging the daemon |
| 12:07.14 | PaxAnima | why would an app request an input mechanism? |
| 12:08.09 | mallum | because its needs input ;-) |
| 12:08.29 | mallum | eg you click in a text entry box |
| 12:08.36 | PaxAnima | ah |
| 12:08.37 | PaxAnima | I see |
| 12:08.40 | mallum | up pops the keyboard whatever |
| 12:09.08 | PaxAnima | seems like a good idea |
| 12:10.42 | mallum | Im not sure however how it would work with the current xstroke |
| 12:11.09 | mallum | I guess it would just 'turn it on' like you'd clicked it in the dock |
| 12:11.16 | PaxAnima | maybe |
| 12:11.32 | mallum | but I think it may get a bit confusing |
| 12:11.53 | mallum | it'd probably work better with murrays word input thingy |
| 12:12.37 | PaxAnima | what's he working on? |
| 12:12.59 | mallum | its like xstroke, but in a toolbar window and you can write whole words at once |
| 12:13.06 | PaxAnima | ah |
| 12:13.18 | mallum | but its still in _very_ early stages ( ie dont actually do anything useful yet ) |
| 12:13.30 | PaxAnima | heh |
| 12:14.59 | PaxAnima | it's not done in a day |
| 12:17.28 | mallum | PaxAnima: unfortunatly not |
| 12:20.56 | PaxAnima | mallum: is mbdock scaling the icons, or do the icon have to be 16x16? |
| 12:21.51 | mallum | PaxAnima: I think monlaunch scales the icons |
| 12:21.59 | PaxAnima | ok |
| 12:24.36 | PaxAnima | cause I use a 16x16 icon for minipredict, and it's not much to look at when scaled in mbdesktop |
| 12:24.37 | mallum | yeah, have you tried with a 32x32 ? |
| 12:24.37 | PaxAnima | nope... will use it when I package minipredict next time |
| 12:24.37 | mallum | let me check the src quickly and I'll tell you |
| 12:24.37 | mallum | yes it does scale it |
| 12:24.37 | PaxAnima | good |
| 13:08.07 | mallum | I've ordered a c-700 :-) |
| 13:09.26 | PaxAnima | ;) |
| 13:10.16 | mallum | strait from japan |
| 13:10.24 | mallum | I hope it actually gets here ok |
| 13:10.42 | mallum | and I havn't a clue how Im gonna power it |
| 13:10.48 | PaxAnima | heh |
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| 13:35.26 | paul | hi, |
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| 13:35.52 | pb_ | hi mccarthy |
| 13:35.53 | pb_ | hi paul |
| 13:35.54 | mccarthy | hi all. |
| 13:36.00 | paul | for the relocated bootldr's - ie bootldr-c340. is the address a physical address or virtual address? |
| 13:36.08 | mccarthy | just wanted to check out the new xchat-2.0 |
| 13:36.21 | paul | (must be virtual) |
| 13:36.21 | mallum | mccarthy: cool, any good ? |
| 13:36.25 | paul | hi pb |
| 13:36.35 | pb_ | paul: yes, though bootldr usually maps RAM 1:1 so it shouldn't make much difference. |
| 13:36.37 | mccarthy | pb_: any interest in finding my memory leak in gpe-mapviewer? |
| 13:36.44 | mccarthy | mallum: it looks pretty ;) |
| 13:37.03 | mccarthy | it also started much faster, but that is probably a net traffic issue |
| 13:37.11 | pb_ | mccarthy: heh. ah, maybe later. |
| 13:37.13 | mccarthy | I will keep you posted on that one |
| 13:37.48 | mccarthy | pb_: OK. It is mostly just a tweak to the gpe-gallery sources (so maybe it could get merged back at some point....) |
| 13:37.53 | paul | pb_: maybe i'm being a bit dense, but 0xc3400000 - isnt that a bit too high? |
| 13:37.56 | pb_ | mccarthy: ah right. |
| 13:37.59 | mccarthy | so it should be fairly simple to look at |
| 13:38.22 | pb_ | paul: yeah, evil_alex mentioned that yesterday as well. It should be OK on a 64MB unit, but it does sound a bit dubious for smaller ones. |
| 13:38.32 | pb_ | paul: check with jamey in #handhelds.org, he's the man. |
| 13:38.42 | paul | k: thanks pb. |
| 13:39.03 | cmarqu_werk | http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/linux/tag/lt5/ - I just asked nils and florian if we want to present GPE there (informally, not with a booth). Sorry, German page only. |
| 13:39.10 | paul | (i'd like to try run my freshly built bootldr from ram before committing it to flash) |
| 13:39.13 | mccarthy | well, I gotta get ready for class. later all.... |
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| 13:41.17 | mccarthy | oops. pb. I wanted to mention something |
| 13:41.31 | paul | pb_: did you get a chance to reinstate the pxa 2.19.56? :) |
| 13:41.46 | mccarthy | pb_: have you noticed that the event-edit window in gpe-calendar is too big for the screen now? |
| 13:41.59 | pb_ | mccarthy: no. in which way is it too big? |
| 13:42.12 | pb_ | paul: ah, yeah, I tried, but my access to the feed had been revoked. |
| 13:42.18 | pb_ | paul: I'll put it in my home directory, just a minute. |
| 13:42.25 | paul | ta very much! |
| 13:42.32 | mccarthy | pb_: wait let me make sure I have the latest... |
| 13:44.00 | pb_ | mccarthy: also check you have the latest version of the theme. |
| 13:44.25 | pb_ | mccarthy: the GtkEntry fields will be too wide with older themes, which will make the window go off the screen horizontally. |
| 13:44.43 | mccarthy | pb_: is the theme part of a meta-package? |
| 13:45.02 | pb_ | mccarthy: yeah, it should be included by gpe-apps2 |
| 13:46.04 | mccarthy | pb_: my GtkEntry fields are *huge* (so the "time" ones are off the right edge of the screen, even in landscape) |
| 13:46.11 | pb_ | paul: look in handhelds.org/~pb/3900/ |
| 13:46.21 | pb_ | mccarthy: ah. what version of gtk2-theme-angelistic do you have? |
| 13:46.21 | mccarthy | pb_: what is the name of the theme package (gpe-apps2 just got upgraded, but I want to check anyway) |
| 13:46.39 | paul | pb_: thanks! :) |
| 13:46.41 | mccarthy | pb_: 0.02 |
| 13:46.52 | pb_ | mccarthy: also check (using xst read) that you actually have Angelistic selected as the theme. |
| 13:47.20 | mccarthy | pb_: how? |
| 13:47.30 | mccarthy | xst read simple tells me about the MATCHBOX/THEME |
| 13:47.38 | pb_ | ah. |
| 13:48.00 | mccarthy | oops. wait that was as root... |
| 13:48.12 | mccarthy | ok. same as mccarthy |
| 13:48.22 | pb_ | mccarthy: try xst write Net/ThemeName str Angelistic |
| 13:48.29 | pb_ | see if that helps any |
| 13:49.29 | paul | pb_: yep, linux sees 64MB now. |
| 13:50.03 | mccarthy | pb_: thanks. but now my fonts are *huge* ;) |
| 13:50.15 | pb_ | mccarthy: xst write Gtk/FontName str "Sans 7" |
| 13:50.32 | pb_ | (adjust the last bit to taste, obviously) |
| 13:50.58 | pb_ | fwiw, "Sans 8" is the default for new installs. |
| 13:51.17 | mccarthy | pb_: thanks. now it looks pretty again |
| 13:51.24 | mccarthy | I am glad it wasnt a bug |
| 13:51.49 | pb_ | me too :-) |
| 13:52.04 | mccarthy | ok. now I *really* have to go to class ;) |
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| 13:56.07 | pb_ | paul: cool |
| 14:09.26 | paul | any known issues with usb networking? pb7 to either RH 2.4.18-19.8.0 or 2.4.18-24.8.0 (using either uhci or usb-uhci) crashes the the RH box. |
| 14:09.44 | pb_ | You need a modified host-side driver for usbnet on h3900. |
| 14:09.59 | paul | aha. |
| 14:21.33 | paul | hmm.. googling for site:handhelds.org 3900 usbnet turns up queries but no reference to host side patch. |
| 14:22.07 | pb_ | I think you just need to swap around the two endpoints. There was a patch on one of the mailing lists a month or so back. |
| 14:22.36 | pb_ | Talk to chri in #familiar if you can't find it, he knows about that stuff. |
| 14:34.17 | paul | thanks again pb_ :) |
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| 15:43.39 | cmarqu_werk | BBL |
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| 16:47.50 | pb_ | cmarqu: as long as you're working on the website :-) I think it would be a good idea to move the link to CurrentThingsToDo into a more prominent position, maybe a "Getting involved" section or something. |
| 16:54.11 | cmarqu | pb_: Okay. |
| 16:54.20 | pb_ | cmarqu: thanks! |
| 16:55.34 | cmarqu | pb_: Do you like the changes so far? I'll make the background a bit brighter. |
| 16:56.20 | cmarqu | And I put "Vera" first in the font list in the stylesheet, hopefully that works in the future. |
| 16:56.45 | pb_ | cmarqu: Yes, looks good. |
| 16:58.38 | cmarqu | Oh, "Bugs" even pointed to armlinux.org still... |
| 16:58.43 | pb_ | Doh. |
| 16:58.56 | pb_ | Actually, I should talk to Jamey about moving the GPE bugzilla to handhelds.org. |
| 17:01.29 | cmarqu | I am also rearranging the top menu, I hope nobody gets confused... |
| 17:04.04 | cmarqu | I'm hesitant to add another menu item for "Getting Involved", it'll get too wide. Or we could move "Standards" to "Links/Resources". |
| 17:04.30 | pb_ | I was thinking that "Getting Involved" would just be a subsection under "Contact". |
| 17:04.57 | pb_ | But yes, I think we talked before about combining "Standards" with some of the other sections. |
| 17:05.04 | cmarqu | Okay. I'll move "Standards" anyway. |
| 17:05.07 | cmarqu | Good. |
| 17:05.49 | pb_ | Incidentally, the PIM schema on the standards page is so outdated as to be worthless. I think it should just be removed. |
| 17:06.16 | cmarqu | Okay. |
| 17:17.06 | cmarqu | New pages checked in. |
| 17:18.46 | pb_ | Cool. |
| 17:22.32 | mallum | cmarqu: any chnace of adding a link to the matchbox site ? |
| 17:22.53 | cmarqu | mallum: There is! :) Just added. Do you want it more prominently? |
| 17:23.36 | mallum | cmarqu: oh ok, I checked about half an hour ago :-) |
| 17:23.51 | mallum | cmarqu: thanks |
| 17:24.28 | cmarqu | http://gpe.handhelds.org/linkres.shtml, 4th link. |
| 17:24.53 | mallum | yep got it |
| 17:35.28 | cmarqu | I want to add some notifying text to the 'ipkg' make target. -- echo "If this becomes a package release, please tag CVS" |
| 17:36.03 | cmarqu | What naming scheme do we want for CVS tags? |
| 17:36.13 | cmarqu | I'm going to suggest it there. |
| 17:37.11 | pb_ | Just something like GPE-OWNERINFO-1_0, I suppose. |
| 17:37.22 | cmarqu | Or... we could even have a 'tag' target in the Makefile? |
| 17:37.30 | pb_ | Yah. |
| 17:38.07 | cmarqu | Maybe a bit dangerous though. |
| 17:39.18 | pb_ | I'd think it would be OK. Tagging isn't really a destructive operation, so long as you don't use -F by default. |
| 17:42.03 | cmarqu | Is there an upcasing command in sh? |
| 17:42.29 | pb_ | There's tr. |
| 17:42.38 | pb_ | as in tr [a-z] [A-Z] or something |
| 17:42.39 | cmarqu | Ah. |
| 18:03.45 | cmarqu | oes make know something like an "afterdependency"? E.g., 'make ipkg' should execute the target 'printtaginfo' after it is successfully run. |
| 18:05.03 | pb_ | Don't think so. |
| 18:06.12 | cmarqu | It works if I add '$(MAKE) printtaginfo' after all the command in the ipkg target, but it's not really nice. |
| 18:08.06 | pb_ | Mmm, yeah. |
| 18:08.27 | cmarqu | Packaged contents of familiar/dist into ./gpe-ownerinfo2_0.06_arm.ipk |
| 18:08.27 | cmarqu | make printtaginfo |
| 18:08.27 | cmarqu | make[1]: Entering directory `/opt/applications/gpe_cvs_dev/gpe/base/gpe-ownerinfo2' |
| 18:08.27 | cmarqu | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 18:08.27 | cmarqu | If this becomes a package release, please add a CVS tag. |
| 18:08.30 | cmarqu | You can use 'make tag' for that, it will execute |
| 18:08.32 | cmarqu | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.35 | cmarqu | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 18:08.37 | cmarqu | make[1]: Leaving directory `/opt/applications/gpe_cvs_dev/gpe/base/gpe-ownerinfo2' |
| 18:08.47 | cmarqu | Well, it's probably okay still. |
| 18:10.26 | pb_ | Yes. |
| 18:11.35 | cmarqu | Phew :) |
| 18:14.52 | pb_ | :-) |
| 18:15.11 | pb_ | I guess we should try to start putting dist tarballs on the ftp site as well, for tagged releases. |
| 18:15.18 | mallum | hmmm, nobodys replied to my background setting post on gpe list ... |
| 18:15.33 | mallum | pb_: do you have any thoughts before I implemen it ? |
| 18:16.06 | cmarqu | pb_: Ah, do you want me to add instructions for that as well? |
| 18:16.12 | pb_ | cmarqu: Good plan. |
| 18:16.42 | pb_ | mallum: Mmm, no, not really. |
| 18:16.44 | cmarqu | pb_: So, where do we want the tarballs end up? |
| 18:17.12 | pb_ | cmarqu: ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/projects/gpe/ maybe |
| 18:17.15 | mallum | pb_: what none at all :( ? |
| 18:19.38 | pb_ | mallum: well, background setting isn't really something I would count as one of my core competencies. But the img-stretched/img-tiled/img-centred/colour-solid/colour-gradient stuff seemed perfectly reasonable to me. |
| 18:20.17 | cmarqu | pb_: Uhm... if I ssh into handhelds.org, where is the directory to offload the tarball then? |
| 18:20.25 | mallum | pb_: cool |
| 18:20.29 | pb_ | cmarqu: ~ftp/pub/projects/gpe I guess |
| 18:21.19 | pb_ | mallum: I didn't really understand your last remark about the background for gpe-login being entirely separate. As far as I know, it already is. |
| 18:21.32 | cmarqu | [cmarqu@handhelds SOURCES]$ ls ~ftp/pub/projects/gpe/unstable/SOURCES |
| 18:21.32 | cmarqu | usqld-0.2.1.tar.gz |
| 18:21.37 | cmarqu | Cool. |
| 18:22.15 | cmarqu | [cmarqu@handhelds source]$ ls ~ftp/pub/projects/gpe/source |
| 18:22.15 | cmarqu | libdm-0.10.tar.bz2 libxsettings-0.10.tar.bz2 libxsettings-client-0.11.tar.bz2 |
| 18:22.19 | cmarqu | Even cooler :) |
| 18:24.42 | cmarqu | Just like emacs: extensible, self-documenting. |
| 18:26.03 | pb_ | Ha. :-) |
| 18:30.45 | mallum | pb_: oh, I wasn't sure if gpe-login tried to grab its background image for the root pixmap or whatever |
| 18:31.46 | pb_ | mallum: gpe-login's startup scripts do set the root pixmap with gpe-setbg, but I don't think that needs to interact with what happens in the session at all. |
| 18:32.38 | pb_ | Except, possibly, that it would be desirable for the pixmap to get freed once it is no longer visible. But I think the normal protocol for handling the root pixmap property would take care of that. |
| 18:34.14 | mallum | yeah or I guess gpe-setbg would just set the xsettings property in the future and whatever desktop would read that and set it |
| 18:36.43 | pb_ | well, gpe-setbg has never been an official interface for people to use for setting the desktop background. I think that ought to be handled by some other tool. |
| 18:36.55 | pb_ | If you want to set it programmatically from a script or whatever, you can use xst directly. |
| 18:38.21 | mallum | yeah the only advantage of keeping it as gpe-setbg is it call fall back to setting it itself, if it detected no desktop running |
| 18:38.56 | pb_ | that's true, yes. |
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| 18:55.03 | cmarqu | moray: http://dkg.con-fuse.org/cgi-bin/ids/index.cgi?mode=image&album=/IT/fosdem/day3&image=IMG_2913.JPG |
| 18:55.16 | cmarqu | (in case you want to forward the link) |
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| 19:29.21 | dan_t | hello |
| 19:33.12 | dan_t | Downloading http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4 |
| 19:33.13 | dan_t | l/gpe-irc_0.04_arm.ipk |
| 19:33.13 | dan_t | Installing gpe-irc (0.04) to root... |
| 19:33.13 | dan_t | ERROR: Package gpe-irc wants to install file /usr/share/pixmaps/gpe-irc.png |
| 19:33.13 | dan_t | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.13 | dan_t | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.15 | dan_t | Failed. |
| 19:37.30 | cmarqu | dan_t: Small packaging bug, you can remove olirc if you really want gpe-irc (which is basically the same package AFAIK) |
| 19:37.31 | moray | dan_t: either force-overwrite or remove olirc, then? |
| 19:38.40 | dan_t | this is from a ipkg upgrade |
| 19:39.09 | dan_t | i dont't have installed olirc myself, i think is a depends of gpe meta package |
| 19:39.34 | cmarqu | Yeah, it is in gpe-apps2. |
| 19:40.42 | dan_t | cmarqu: also olirc is a depednd of gpe-apps2 |
| 19:43.55 | cmarqu | dc needs to make a new package. |
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| 20:33.57 | pb_ | gtk 2.2.1 is in unstable now. |
| 20:34.39 | pb_ | I've also uploaded new versions of libgpewidget and gpe-session-scripts, and I'll run some more boot images a bit later this evening. |
| 20:41.41 | pb_ | Quite so. |
| 20:42.10 | cmarqu | Cool. |
| 20:49.02 | pb_ | Okay, I've sent libgpewidget to the TP. Let's see how that goes. |
| 20:49.22 | pb_ | Assuming there are no major hiccups, I'll do the other packages in short order. |
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| 20:51.03 | cmarqu | Nice. |
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| 21:14.22 | cmarqu | How was that again... can CVS store executable flags for files? |
| 21:25.52 | pb_ | Yeah. |
| 21:33.30 | cmarqu | Hmm, Makefile.translation is missing an install target for local installation of mo files. |
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| 22:16.57 | florian | hi all! |
| 22:17.30 | pb_ | hey florian |
| 22:21.19 | cmarqu | Hi florian |
| 22:29.17 | mallum | pb_, cmarqu: nice work on the Makefiles :-) |
| 22:39.49 | pb_ | mallum: ah yes, we are attempting to surpass automake in the complexity of these things. |
| 22:40.29 | pb_ | cmarqu: I was wondering earlier if it might be nice for the makefile to warn during "make ipkg" if you had local changes that were not checked in. |
| 22:42.30 | cmarqu | pb_: Hmm, yeah. Is there a way to check offline (i.e., against the status of the last checkout)? |
| 22:43.45 | pb_ | cmarqu: mmm, no, I don't think so. |
| 22:45.20 | cmarqu | pb_: So your idea was to find out if cvs had to merge stuff when doing a cvs up during the make ipkg run? |
| 22:45.48 | pb_ | cmarqu: well, probably do a "cvs -nq up | grep ^M" or something. |
| 22:46.03 | cmarqu | Yeah. |
| 22:46.06 | pb_ | cmarqu: but I guess that might be unpopular with anybody who doesn't have an always on internet connection. |
| 22:47.35 | cmarqu | Indeed. Plus I make a package, see that it's not right, fix, make another package... that would slow it down. |
| 22:47.50 | mallum | pb_: any plans to add switches to the Makefiles for aiding crosscompiles ? ( If they dont already exist ) |
| 22:47.50 | pb_ | Yes, that's true as well. |
| 22:48.15 | pb_ | mallum: for the most part it should just be a case of setting CC and so on in the environment. |
| 22:48.31 | pb_ | mallum: there's the perennial problem of /usr/X11R6 of course, which I guess will cause some trouble. |
| 22:49.03 | pb_ | maybe we should just provide an x11.pc file and be done with it. |
| 22:49.26 | mallum | pb_: yeah |
| 22:49.55 | mallum | or just add an X11_LIBS var to the makefiles, which can be overidden I guess |
| 22:50.02 | pb_ | yeah, that would work also. |
| 22:50.22 | mallum | or use autotools ;-) |
| 22:50.27 | pb_ | I'll try to remember to do that next time I am editing the makefiles in question. |
| 22:50.33 | mallum | ( that was a joke ) |
| 22:50.47 | pb_ | phew :-) |
| 22:51.19 | mallum | hehe |
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| 23:08.54 | pb_ | hi walters |
| 23:08.57 | pb_ | hi cpujeff122 |
| 23:10.12 | cpujeff122 | hi |
| 23:12.49 | walters | hi pb_ |
| 23:14.19 | cmarqu | N8. |
| 23:14.27 | cmarqu | Uhm. Night. :) |
| 23:14.42 | pb_ | night cmarqu :-) |
| 23:24.13 | florian | night... |
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| 23:28.43 | pb_ | morning mibus |
| 23:30.22 | moray | pb_: (to continue what you were saying earlier) although, having earlier been at a Debian NetBSD talk, I'm currently feeling slightly more sympathetic to autoconf |
| 23:30.44 | mibus | oh hi pb_ |
| 23:31.13 | moray | apparently the autoconf programs (which didn't have very badly written autoconf) cope fine with the strange environment, while many others fail to |
| 23:34.26 | moray | ha |
| 23:34.34 | moray | I probably would do if I needed another laptop just now |
| 23:35.02 | pb_ | stupid CATS machine locked up again. |
| 23:36.12 | pb_ | mibus: good-o |
| 23:37.01 | pb_ | moray: yeah, my position towards autoconf has always been one of ambivalence. The full force of my hatred is reserved for automake. |
| 23:37.22 | moray | yes, that's currently seeming reasonable |
| 23:37.31 | moray | as long as we have an autoconf maintainer, anyway ;) |
| 23:45.20 | mallum | hmmm |
| 23:45.26 | mallum | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:45.52 | mallum | I think gthumb has a pretty bad memory leak |
