| 01:15.13 | srd | hm.. i got gpe installed, but when I try and run things, I get a error box tht comes up |
| 01:15.17 | srd | and I cant read anyting it says |
| 01:15.20 | srd | like it cant render it or something |
| 01:19.03 | ReKleSS | bleh... Anyone got the gpe-bootsplash splash.png? |
| 02:14.57 | paul | srd: you need to run /root/postinst |
| 02:15.05 | paul | or maybe its /root/postint-x |
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| 03:19.00 | Bullet-Man-2 | can anyone help me format my CF card? |
| 03:19.07 | ReKleSS | what do you mean by format? |
| 03:19.19 | Bullet-Man-2 | like clear it off all data |
| 03:19.27 | ReKleSS | what FS is it now? |
| 03:19.28 | Bullet-Man-2 | oF* |
| 03:19.33 | Bullet-Man-2 | its vfat I believe |
| 03:19.46 | ReKleSS | mkfs -t vfat /dev/hda1 |
| 03:19.47 | ReKleSS | I think |
| 03:19.54 | ReKleSS | or, mount it |
| 03:19.59 | ReKleSS | and at the mount point, |
| 03:20.00 | Bullet-Man-2 | it's mounted |
| 03:20.02 | ReKleSS | do rm -rf * |
| 03:20.39 | Bullet-Man-2 | OMG! |
| 03:20.41 | Bullet-Man-2 | I'm such a moron |
| 03:20.48 | Bullet-Man-2 | The problem is I forget to plug in my CF card... |
| 03:20.53 | Bullet-Man-2 | forgot* |
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| 10:20.48 | PaxAnima | morning |
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| 16:38.01 | PaxAnima | hello |
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| 17:48.53 | dan_t | hello |
| 17:48.58 | PaxAnima | hello |
| 17:50.14 | dan_t | i have just discovered dpkg-cross. it is a very nica tools. i want something like for ipkg. someone know if there is already someone working on that ? |
| 17:52.18 | PaxAnima | don't know.. |
| 18:14.18 | dan_t | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:29.09 | spung | dan_t: what's up? |
| 18:30.17 | dan_t | spung: all fixed thanks. i think that there is some problems with 2.4.19 kernel package, i had a broken /boot/zImage link |
| 18:30.35 | spung | dan_t: ahh, been there done that :) |
| 18:30.42 | spung | it really sucks |
| 18:31.11 | spung | dan_t: i went back to 2.4.18 anyway.. .19 seems to screw ssh for some reason |
| 18:31.24 | dan_t | spung: have you skills into ipkg ? |
| 18:31.57 | PaxAnima | spung: it's a broken usbnet i -hh10.. it's fixed in -hh11 |
| 18:32.08 | dan_t | spung: i have also noticed that but i don't thinked that ic could depend on kernel. nice to know |
| 18:32.46 | dan_t | i need to reinstall all kernel modules packages ? them are not upgraded |
| 18:34.02 | PaxAnima | dan_t: think so |
| 18:34.28 | dan_t | PaxAnima: a quik wai to do that ? |
| 18:35.53 | PaxAnima | don't think so |
| 18:39.39 | spung | dan_t: what's up with ipkg? |
| 18:49.46 | dan_t | spung: do you run debian ? do you know dpkg-cross ? |
| 18:50.28 | spung | dan_t: yes, yes. |
| 18:51.21 | dan_t | spung: have you heared about a ipkg-cross ? (a way to install ipkg arm binaries on another architecture to do crosscompiling) ? |
| 18:53.13 | spung | dan_t: why would you want to do that? |
| 18:55.03 | dan_t | spung: i have to compile some apps that uses bluettoh and gtk and i want a easy way to set up my crosscompiling environment |
| 18:55.35 | spung | dan_t: why don't you use dpkg-cross for that? |
| 18:55.54 | dan_t | spung: if you have a more relable and fast solution please tell me. (i don't want to remeke the |
| 18:56.06 | dan_t | spung: tell me more |
| 18:56.36 | spung | dan_t: use debian's arm packages with dpkg-cross |
| 18:56.50 | dan_t | spung: i can do ipkg-cross install gtk2 gtk2-dev and then recompile for familiar without complain about different version of libs ? |
| 18:57.07 | spung | dan_t: i made same packages with dpkg-cross, want to try them out? |
| 18:57.36 | dan_t | spung: i don't understand your last |
| 18:58.19 | spung | dan_t: well, dpkg-cross creates packages that get installed in /usr/arm-linux/ for instance |
| 18:58.26 | spung | with arm versions of libs, headers, etc.. |
| 18:59.00 | dan_t | spung: yes i know |
| 18:59.34 | dan_t | spung: my question is if debian sid and familiar uses different version of libs that is not a problem ? |
| 19:00.06 | spung | dan_t: i think every version of gtk2.0 for instance is binary compatible |
| 19:00.16 | spung | same for gtk2.2 |
| 19:00.45 | dan_t | spung: that is not true for every library |
| 19:01.15 | spung | hmmm |
| 19:01.51 | spung | dan_t: i'm uploading my cross packages, just a sec |
| 19:02.21 | dan_t | spung: i have no real problem, i'm only suppositing |
| 19:11.13 | spung | dan_t: http://www.handhelds.org/~pb/deb-toolchain.html follow these instructions, if you haven't already |
| 19:11.33 | spung | then install http://www.handhelds.org/~luis/cross/ |
| 19:12.45 | spung | PaxAnima: pb has source, why don't you compile it? |
| 19:12.55 | dan_t | spung: tahnks |
| 19:13.16 | PaxAnima | spung: a precompiled one, that is |
| 19:13.17 | dan_t | spung: i think i'll recompile myself other libraries |
| 19:13.31 | spung | dan_t: i'm not sure it works tho :\ |
| 19:21.07 | spung | well, i've got some Linear Algebra to study now |
| 19:21.20 | spung | dan_t: shout if you have trouble :) |
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| 20:02.23 | PaxAnima | hi, pigeon |
| 20:12.20 | pigeon | Yo PaxAnima |
| 20:13.22 | PaxAnima | pigeon: how is the gpe-irc backend going? |
| 20:13.44 | pigeon | Not going anywhere yet :( |
| 20:13.52 | PaxAnima | oh |
| 20:14.10 | PaxAnima | I'm removing the word completion from the irc input (almost) as we speak |
| 20:14.16 | pigeon | Heh. |
| 20:14.27 | PaxAnima | just keeping nick completion |
| 20:14.42 | pigeon | Ah right. |
| 20:15.03 | PaxAnima | much better to use minipredict |
| 20:15.10 | pigeon | We just finished a delivery for our client last week. |
| 20:15.29 | pigeon | Let's see what's on this week. |
| 20:15.30 | PaxAnima | ah |
| 20:15.37 | pigeon | Ah... I know what's on. |
| 20:15.44 | pigeon | Valentine's day... |
| 20:15.48 | pigeon | ;) |
| 20:15.59 | PaxAnima | ;) |
| 20:16.08 | pigeon | brb |
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| 20:42.52 | spung | how does minipredict work? |
| 20:44.11 | PaxAnima | spung: have you tried it? |
| 20:44.23 | pigeon | PaxAnima: What about some evil prediction base on context? :P |
| 20:44.54 | PaxAnima | pigeon: it catches passwords, I think it's evil enough... |
| 20:45.23 | spung | no |
| 20:45.31 | spung | but, does it read from a dictionary? |
| 20:45.42 | spung | does it learn new words? |
| 20:45.42 | pigeon | I was thinking if it can remember used words for different context. |
| 20:45.53 | PaxAnima | spung: it's a small toolbar that sits above the dock and predicts words, based on input from xstroke and xkbd |
| 20:46.03 | PaxAnima | spung: yes, it learns new words |
| 20:46.09 | PaxAnima | pigeon: not context, no.. |
| 20:46.14 | spung | PaxAnima: passwords too? |
| 20:46.43 | PaxAnima | spung: well, it catches all keypresses, so. yes |
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| 20:46.54 | pigeon | Yeah... I'm thinking how can that be done, and also how evil/bloated this can be :) |
| 20:47.12 | PaxAnima | pigeon: how context? different dictionaries for diffent apps? |
| 20:47.50 | pigeon | PaxAnima: Hmm how does minipredict "remembers" last used words? |
| 20:48.06 | PaxAnima | pigeon: it's stored in memory, and saved upon exit/kill |
| 20:48.37 | pigeon | Right... Hmm so maybe it's possible to store a little more information in the memory? |
| 20:48.56 | PaxAnima | pigeon: what kind of context where you thinking about? |
| 20:49.54 | pigeon | PaxAnima: Like it gives you different orders of last used words based on what app you're inputting to. |
| 20:50.12 | pigeon | Or am I being nasty here :P |
| 20:50.42 | PaxAnima | well, I could check the window that is receiving the keypresses, so I could keep a dictionary for each window, but that's kinda silly? |
| 20:50.46 | pigeon | PaxAnima: That was just a quick thought. |
| 20:51.13 | pigeon | Ah ok... so it has to be a dictionary... |
| 20:51.19 | pigeon | Hmm then maybe not... |
| 20:51.41 | PaxAnima | well "dictionary"; words would be more correct (organised as a dictionary) |
| 20:51.54 | pigeon | PaxAnima: Ignore me for the moment then :) |
| 20:52.25 | PaxAnima | ;) |
| 20:52.58 | PaxAnima | righto.. a new version of minipredict in the unstable feed.. |
| 20:53.30 | PaxAnima | fixed some bugs (and made it 3 pixels smaller) |
| 20:53.40 | pigeon | Hmm I guess what I was thinking will be, sharing the same "dictionary", while different context/window will have a different "order". |
| 20:54.01 | pigeon | That explains I don't understand how minipredict works yet :) |
| 20:54.02 | PaxAnima | e.g. for a terminal have wods like ls, mv, mkdir etc? |
| 20:55.04 | pigeon | More like, whatever you've been typing to that terminal. |
| 20:56.16 | PaxAnima | I see now... |
| 20:56.16 | pigeon | So maybe, when you're at gpe-irc, you type p, it completes it with pigeon. But when you switch to the term, p extends to ps (cos the last command you used there was ps) |
| 20:56.23 | pigeon | *quick crazy thought* |
| 20:56.25 | pigeon | :) |
| 20:56.54 | pigeon | In fact I should say, p extends to ps *first*, pigeon will be second maybe. |
| 20:59.11 | pigeon | This could be a feature for the next next next next version when someone get bored :P |
| 20:59.19 | pigeon | I'm heading to work first, brb. |
| 20:59.38 | PaxAnima | I see your point... the easiest would be to have fixed list for each context, but it's a good idea |
| 21:00.11 | PaxAnima | there is only one bug left related to xstroke, but cworth is on the case (I hope) |
| 21:00.42 | PaxAnima | spung: tried minipredict yet? |
| 21:01.00 | spung | PaxAnima: no? why? |
| 21:01.17 | spung | PaxAnima: where did you get the dictionary? (english i presume) |
| 21:04.22 | PaxAnima | I took it from the /usr/share/dict/words file on my laptop |
| 21:04.35 | PaxAnima | and it's english, yes |
| 21:05.31 | PaxAnima | could add other dictionaries as well, as long as it's within the extend ascii range |
| 21:05.46 | PaxAnima | the language, that is |
| 21:06.00 | spung | PaxAnima: are those ispell lists? |
| 21:06.22 | PaxAnima | no, but what format is the ispell list? |
| 21:06.40 | PaxAnima | I don't have ispell installed |
| 21:07.19 | spung | what's /usr/share/dict/words then? |
| 21:07.31 | PaxAnima | just a file of sorted words |
| 21:08.01 | spung | PaxAnima: but, what package does it belong to? |
| 21:08.10 | PaxAnima | not sure... |
| 21:09.59 | PaxAnima | but i've been challenged to a game of Risk (agin), so I'll bbl |
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| 21:36.10 | spung | PaxAnima: it'd be useful to support ispell data ... |
| 21:37.41 | spung | or other common data |
| 21:38.09 | spung | PaxAnima: do you have wordlists for norweigian (sorry about the spelling?) for instance? |
| 21:57.15 | pigeon | PaxAnima: Ah ok. |
| 22:38.04 | PaxAnima | hi |
| 22:38.28 | pigeon | PaxAnima: So minipredict depends on xstroke/xkbd? |
| 22:38.46 | PaxAnima | pigeon: no |
| 22:39.18 | PaxAnima | was a bit unclear eralier: anything that emits a KeyPres event to a window, e.g. a normal keyboard, xkbd, xstroke etc |
| 22:40.54 | PaxAnima | spung: I'll look at the aspell format now... |
| 22:41.39 | pigeon | PaxAnima: Ah so what event does it look for now? |
| 22:42.01 | PaxAnima | pigeon: KeyPress |
| 22:42.25 | PaxAnima | not sure if I was clear enough |
| 22:43.24 | pigeon | PaxAnima: Ok :) |
| 22:46.17 | PaxAnima | spung: as for generating a dictionary: if you have a fairly large text file in your language, you should be able to create a dictionary with the command line tools, e.g.: cat <file> | tr ' ' '\' | sort | uniq > dictionary |
| 22:46.28 | PaxAnima | tr ' ' '\n' |
| 22:47.02 | spung | hmmm |
| 22:47.04 | spung | i see |
| 22:47.32 | PaxAnima | the files I use are just a sorted file, with one word on each line |
| 22:47.33 | spung | PaxAnima: how does ppc2002 completer work? |
| 22:47.44 | PaxAnima | spung: don't know |
| 22:47.45 | spung | do you have any idea? |
| 22:47.50 | spung | ok |
| 22:49.13 | pigeon | Hmm btw where is minipredict source? Is it in gpe cvs? |
| 22:49.15 | PaxAnima | tried ppc for 5mins before installing linux.. ;) |
| 22:49.18 | PaxAnima | pigeon: soon |
| 22:49.27 | PaxAnima | I have a tarball on web |
| 22:49.31 | pigeon | Ah. |
| 22:50.12 | PaxAnima | unless you want to have a look a weird gtk/gdk/X mixture of code, libdictionary is doing the dictionary stuff |
| 22:50.30 | PaxAnima | (also in a tarball, soon in a gpe cvs near you ;) |
| 22:51.15 | pigeon | Heh... |
| 22:52.17 | PaxAnima | there is currently only one known bug with minipredict, and that is if you launch an app, and you have minipredict running, xstroke doesn't work (but it works if you launch minipredict after the app)... cworth is looking at it at the moment |
| 22:53.30 | pigeon | Hmm so where can I find the source at the moment? |
| 22:53.35 | PaxAnima | as for libdictionary, I plan to add compression by using a trie tree |
| 22:54.42 | PaxAnima | http://handhelds.org/~paxanima/files/ |
| 22:54.59 | pigeon | PaxAnima: ta |
| 22:55.18 | PaxAnima | not much to look at, at the moment.. |
| 22:55.41 | PaxAnima | (as always) I need to clean the code |
| 22:56.25 | PaxAnima | spung: if you find a smart way of creating dictionaries from aspell/ispell/some other source, please tell me ;) |
| 22:57.42 | pigeon | Oh. It doesn't quite work on the desktop :P |
| 22:57.59 | spung | PaxAnima: ok |
| 22:58.20 | PaxAnima | pigeon: it does, but it doesn't work with Eterm, for some reason |
| 22:58.55 | pigeon | Ah, doesn't work with aterm either. |
| 22:59.01 | PaxAnima | oh |
| 22:59.15 | PaxAnima | works fine with everything else I've tested it with.. |
| 22:59.55 | pigeon | Possibly just some weird things with eterm/aterm. |
| 23:00.21 | PaxAnima | guess it's security (as you can snoop passwords etc. with it) |
| 23:01.54 | PaxAnima | looks like I can use the dictionaries from openoffice ;) (with a little perl one-liner;) |
| 23:14.10 | spung | PaxAnima: cool :) |
| 23:14.43 | spung | convert them :) and split them in different packages :) |
| 23:14.50 | PaxAnima | but the dictionaries get fairly large :/ |
| 23:14.59 | PaxAnima | think I need to implement runtime compression before using those |
| 23:15.07 | spung | how large? |
| 23:15.11 | PaxAnima | the norwegian dictionary is 700k |
| 23:15.28 | spung | PaxAnima: jffs2 compresses them on disk |
| 23:15.42 | spung | the issue would be ram? |
| 23:15.43 | PaxAnima | yes, but the dictionary is loaded to memory |
| 23:15.45 | PaxAnima | yes |
| 23:16.06 | PaxAnima | maybe the other dictionaries are smaller, haven't checked |
| 23:16.09 | spung | PaxAnima: it'd be cool if you could select language in minipredict |
| 23:16.50 | spung | PaxAnima: you for instance would like to use sometimes norwegian or english, or maybe both |
| 23:16.55 | PaxAnima | or at least install optional packages |
| 23:17.36 | PaxAnima | hmm.. only need to find the magic reg.exp.. |
| 23:18.22 | PaxAnima | I want to remove lines (with sed), containing either a . or CAPTIAL leters |
| 23:19.17 | PaxAnima | in one go |
| 23:20.30 | srd | is it possible to get a gpe install running for basic pim with 16mb rom? |
| 23:20.33 | srd | ipag 3630 |
| 23:20.52 | PaxAnima | I'd guess so? |
| 23:21.08 | PaxAnima | I don't know, cause I have a 3850 |
| 23:21.18 | srd | i have a microdrive for real apps, but I want at least basic pim when im not using the sleeve |
| 23:21.43 | PaxAnima | thinking of gpe2? |
| 23:21.58 | srd | i suppose, is that basically gpe with gtk+ |
| 23:22.03 | srd | 2 |
| 23:22.05 | srd | gtk+2 |
| 23:22.33 | spung | srd: some of the developers of that model IIRC |
| 23:22.35 | spung | so i think so |
| 23:22.41 | spung | srd: just try it out |
| 23:22.55 | srd | spung: hm, ok |
| 23:23.33 | spung | have that model |
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| 23:26.09 | spung | speak of the devil |
| 23:26.13 | PaxAnima | hi dc_ibook |
| 23:26.20 | PaxAnima | back from belgium? |
| 23:26.22 | spung | dc_ibook: you have a 36xx don't you? |
| 23:26.40 | spung | dc_ibook: srd ask if he can fit gpe2 there? |
| 23:27.36 | srd | spung: thanks |
| 23:34.52 | moray | dc_ibook: hi |
| 23:34.58 | moray | dc_ibook: back in Cambridge |
| 23:35.23 | moray | dc_ibook: though without my key fingerprint sheet - hoping it's in pb's car rather than mallum having taken it with the 'rubbish' :/ |
| 23:38.12 | moray | (though the latter's quite possible, since I think he did take some papers :/ ) |
| 23:54.51 | dc_ibook | moray: oh hey |
| 23:55.07 | dc_ibook | srd: yes |
| 23:55.18 | dc_ibook | srd: gpe2 fits fine on my 36xx |
| 23:55.30 | dc_ibook | installs with about 2mb free |
| 23:56.39 | dc_ibook | moray: they we're in your passport, no? |
| 23:57.05 | moray | dc_ibook: no no, that was about 2 little slips of paper - there were several photocopied pages stapled together too |
| 23:58.13 | moray | which would have been in the pile with my coat that you two kept sliding onto the floor :p :/ |
| 23:58.15 | dc_ibook | PaxAnima: hey. |
| 23:59.04 | PaxAnima | dc_ibook: almost got the word predicton removed from the irc input, just need to clean up and remove a lot of code |
| 23:59.18 | dc_ibook | cool :) |
| 23:59.48 | PaxAnima | right now I'm finding a way to extract dictionries from openoffice.org ;) |