| 00:10.17 | mallum | Ouch its dependant on loads of packages |
| 00:10.23 | mallum | why gpe-minicalc_0.04_arm.ipk ? |
| 00:10.51 | spung_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.06 | pb_ | heh |
| 00:11.11 | pigeon | :| |
| 00:12.25 | mallum | I think its just dependant on gpe (1) as a whole |
| 00:13.15 | spung_ | is it gtk1.2 based? |
| 00:13.41 | pb_ | ah, sucks. |
| 00:14.53 | mallum | yeah I guess so :( |
| 00:15.05 | mallum | man there livin in the 90's ;-) |
| 00:15.12 | spung_ | :) |
| 00:15.16 | spung_ | old timers |
| 00:16.25 | cpujeff122 | heh |
| 00:20.26 | pb_ | right |
| 00:20.52 | pb_ | new teleport is in unstable; new gpe2 images are running; bedtime for me. |
| 00:20.55 | pb_ | night |
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| 02:16.23 | spung_ | i just screwed my ipaq |
| 02:16.33 | spung_ | what image should i flash? |
| 02:17.20 | spung_ | topic topic |
| 02:40.09 | __moray | hi spung_ |
| 02:40.25 | spung_ | hi __moray |
| 02:40.38 | spung_ | :) |
| 02:40.47 | spung_ | __moray: good luck with your presentation :) |
| 02:41.14 | __moray | ah, thanks |
| 02:41.22 | __moray | ha |
| 02:41.29 | __moray | shouldn't be too hard...? |
| 02:41.39 | spung_ | well, i upgraded the kernel |
| 02:41.40 | __moray | although clearly you need wireless |
| 02:41.51 | spung_ | but the damn ipkg |
| 02:41.58 | spung_ | didn't upgrade the zImage link |
| 02:42.02 | spung_ | had to upgrade bootldr |
| 02:42.09 | __moray | ah |
| 02:42.19 | spung_ | getting harder than expected |
| 02:42.19 | spung_ | :9 |
| 02:43.08 | __moray | sounds like wireless would have been easier as well as nicer ;) |
| 02:43.17 | spung_ | as well as more expensive |
| 02:43.27 | spung_ | :\ |
| 02:44.51 | spung_ | wow, the now bootldr is much faster |
| 02:50.09 | cpujeff122 | hm |
| 02:50.13 | cpujeff122 | running gpe-mail2 |
| 02:50.18 | cpujeff122 | when I try to check my mail |
| 02:50.24 | cpujeff122 | it says that "/usr/sbin/stunnel" is not found |
| 02:50.30 | cpujeff122 | ... |
| 02:50.31 | spung_ | : /usr/sbin/pppd /dev/tty00 115200 192.168.0.1:192.168.0.2 nodetach local noauth nocrtscts lock user ppp connect "/usr/sbin/chat -v -t3 ogin--ogin: ppp" |
| 02:50.34 | spung_ | bah |
| 02:50.37 | spung_ | Connect script failed |
| 02:52.29 | cpujeff122 | also |
| 02:52.31 | cpujeff122 | gconf doesn't load |
| 02:52.41 | cpujeff122 | gpe-conf: error while loading shared libraries: libdotdesktop.so.0: cannot open shared object file: Error 9 |
| 02:52.45 | cpujeff122 | this is on pb's base install |
| 03:24.31 | cpujeff122 | goodnight al |
| 03:24.32 | cpujeff122 | l |
| 03:24.50 | spung_ | __moray: ever set ppp up? |
| 03:39.54 | __moray | yes |
| 03:40.02 | __moray | but usually with pppconfig on Debian ;) |
| 03:40.43 | __moray | when I've not done that I usually just shove all the options on the command line rather than get everything into the right configuration files linked together properly |
| 03:42.52 | __moray | anyway, afraid I have to go for now |
| 03:42.56 | __moray | (on a modem here) |
| 03:43.05 | __moray | good night |
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| 07:47.20 | florian | hi! |
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| 11:17.21 | PaxAnima | morning |
| 11:18.43 | sjw | hey PA :) |
| 11:19.07 | PaxAnima | hi, sjw |
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| 11:34.00 | pb_ | hi jg |
| 11:55.36 | sjw | pb_: do you work on gpe as part of your job? |
| 11:55.52 | pb_ | sjw: occasionally |
| 11:56.06 | sjw | pb_: what sort of work do you do? or is it your own company? |
| 12:01.00 | pb_ | I work for a small consultancy company. We design various kinds of electronics and software. |
| 12:03.16 | sjw | does the CRL hire electronics engineers? |
| 12:06.02 | pb_ | well, their web site suggests that they do from time to time. see http://crl.research.compaq.com/job_opps/default.htm |
| 12:06.58 | pb_ | several people in #handhelds.org and this channel are affiliated with CRL; I guess they could tell you about that stuff. |
| 12:08.07 | sjw | thanks for the info...sorry for disturbing |
| 12:09.30 | pb_ | sure, no problem |
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| 12:49.48 | PaxAnima | hey, mallum |
| 12:51.04 | mallum | hey PaxAnima |
| 12:51.14 | mallum | pb_: I have a new matchbox ipkg |
| 12:51.20 | pb_ | cool |
| 12:51.26 | pb_ | what's the news in this version? |
| 12:54.11 | PaxAnima | mallum: is monolaunch -k sending SIGTERM og SIGKILL? |
| 13:05.07 | PaxAnima | sjw: my nokia csv -> vcard app seems to work ;) |
| 13:05.42 | sjw | PaxAnima: excellent! what process did you follow? did you use Gnokii to export, then convert to vcard, and then obex them onto other phone? |
| 13:06.16 | PaxAnima | just took the csv file from the nokia util in windows.. not sure how the gnokii format is |
| 13:06.27 | mallum | pb_: well hopefully, minilite etc will get there backgrounds back ... |
| 13:07.04 | PaxAnima | sjw: not sent it yet with obex.. don't have IR on my desktop machine, at the moment |
| 13:07.53 | PaxAnima | sjw: but it should work, as long as the cell phone accepts vcard files with more than one entry |
| 13:08.22 | sjw | PaxAnima: wonderful - is the source dependent on that library of yours? |
| 13:09.31 | PaxAnima | nope |
| 13:09.37 | PaxAnima | copied the source I needed |
| 13:10.33 | sjw | PaxAnima: ah! cool... so you are willing to show? |
| 13:11.10 | mallum | pb_: somebody has sent me! a patch for libXSettings makefile, so it installs libs / headers correctly ( I think ) , you want it ? |
| 13:11.10 | pb_ | mallum: ah great |
| 13:11.18 | pb_ | mallum: sure |
| 13:12.19 | mallum | pb_: okey, I'll get it over to you in a mo ... |
| 13:12.20 | PaxAnima | sjw: the source? |
| 13:12.33 | mallum | pb_: I've uploaded a new matchbox into unstable if you want to test |
| 13:12.40 | sjw | PaxAnima: yes, or are you publishing it or something? |
| 13:12.42 | pb_ | great |
| 13:12.50 | PaxAnima | sjw: sure, I'll put it on the web soon |
| 13:12.57 | pb_ | mallum: I have no ipaq with me at the moment but I will test it later this afternoon |
| 13:13.02 | sjw | PaxAnima: cool! let me know... |
| 13:13.10 | PaxAnima | sjw: yup |
| 13:13.44 | mallum | pb_: cool, np |
| 13:15.09 | PaxAnima | mallum: about my monolaunch -k question: SIGTERM og SIGKILL? |
| 13:18.45 | PaxAnima | oh, it's WM_DELETE_WINDOW.. |
| 13:19.07 | mallum | PaxAnima: yeah |
| 13:19.37 | PaxAnima | how do I know when I get it? I need store statistics for minipredict when it quits |
| 13:20.25 | PaxAnima | quits = get killed |
| 13:21.01 | pb_ | you will receive a Gtk signal when the delete request arrives. |
| 13:23.10 | PaxAnima | ok.. what signal? "delete-event"? |
| 13:23.23 | pb_ | yes, that sounds like the one. |
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| 15:03.22 | mallum | fun fun fun on the autobahn |
| 15:08.52 | sjw | heh |
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| 15:22.22 | mallum | pb_: ping |
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| 15:23.43 | pb_ | mallum: yo |
| 15:26.56 | mallum | pb_: you know you wrote that mbpixbuf_render_to_mask type code, can you remember where it is ? |
| 15:27.08 | mallum | pb_: Im gonna add a call to mbpixbuf |
| 15:33.16 | pb_ | mallum: probably in minibat |
| 15:33.53 | mallum | pb_: yep got it |
| 15:33.58 | pb_ | cool |
| 15:36.36 | mallum | pb_: I always for get with shape ... a set pixel in a mask is transparent right ? or is it the other way round ? |
| 15:43.17 | pb_ | mallum: other way around, a set pixel is opaque. |
| 15:43.46 | mallum | pb_: cool thx |
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| 15:51.05 | hobu | good morning... well for the US anyway.... I did a ipkg upgrade yesterday on the unstable feed and now gpe and stuff won't work. It says: /usr/bin/gpe-dm: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3' not found (required by /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6) Must have been a dependency that wasn't fullfilled. Any ideas how I can get X going again? |
| 15:52.24 | mallum | hobu: sounds like you need a new glibc |
| 15:52.56 | thomas_ | hobu: pb_ mentioned in #handhelds.org that you probably will want to reflash with the latest gpe from the unstable feed. |
| 15:53.57 | hobu | thomas_: that's not the same as installing 0.6.2 and doing an upgrade on the unstable feed? |
| 15:54.09 | sjw | cheers all |
| 15:54.29 | thomas_ | hobu: as you saw, no. |
| 15:54.59 | thomas_ | hobu: i tried to do what you did & had the same effect. |
| 15:56.01 | hobu | ok... will the new unstable have libXp.so.6 and libICE and stuff? I was doing the upgrade on the unstable to get things going so I could run an AWT app and boogered it all up |
| 15:56.48 | thomas_ | hobu: i don't know. i am pretty new with this stuff. i think pb_ is here, though. |
| 15:57.45 | hobu | thomas_: do you have a link for the latest unstable gpe? |
| 15:59.22 | thomas_ | hobu: depends on what ipaq you have. look in handhelds.org/feeds/unstable . |
| 15:59.39 | thomas_ | go for the latest for your ipaq. |
| 16:02.51 | hobu | the files at http://handhelds.org/feeds/unstable/ are all ipkg. I thought it needs to be a jffs2 file for me to flash... |
| 16:03.37 | thomas_ | hobu: let me check. wait. |
| 16:05.32 | thomas_ | hobu: i think i made a mistake. let me see if i can find the right page... |
| 16:07.14 | mallum | jg: hi, re your mail on gpe list - does that mean current CVS tinyX can do core fonts ? |
| 16:10.11 | jg | mallum: of course. |
| 16:10.39 | jg | mallum: It should be being built with TrueType support, and therefore core fonts should be able to be ttf fonts rather than pcf. |
| 16:10.40 | mallum | jg: :-) |
| 16:10.56 | jg | Otherwise old apps would break. |
| 16:10.56 | mallum | jg: do you know what the particular define is ? |
| 16:12.23 | jg | mallum: I think it is on the config file I have on the web page for building TinyX. |
| 16:12.59 | jg | mallum: current bits should be able to use Freetype2; the old server had to build in Freetype1; which wasted space. |
| 16:13.40 | mallum | jg: yeah thats the host.def I used, so it should be good to go |
| 16:14.15 | pb_ | hobu: see the topic of this channel for the location of .jffs2 images |
| 16:14.22 | jg | mallum: you should be able to set aliases for the core fonts to the ttf fonts, and then delete the .pcs fonts you have, and things still work (other than exact sizes of characters). |
| 16:14.27 | thomas_ | hobu: pb_ recommended handhelds.org/~pb/unstable/ |
| 16:14.49 | hobu | pb_: thx |
| 16:15.19 | hobu | pb_: a 3870 would be the 3600 series I presume? |
| 16:15.22 | mallum | jg: how do you mean 'aliases' ? |
| 16:17.46 | pb_ | hobu: right. the 3600 image is appropriate for all but 3100 and 3900. |
| 16:18.39 | hobu | pb_: ok, I'll give it a whirl. thanks. |
| 16:19.35 | hobu | pb_: what's the diff b/t pb5 and pb7? |
| 16:23.03 | jg | mallum: see /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/fonts.alias for an example. If the name then matches the ttf fonts properly, you'll get the ttf font.... |
| 16:23.09 | jg | (on your desktop). |
| 16:23.58 | jg | mallum: if you are ambitious, you can have alot of antique font names match the ttf files. But what we most care about are the bitmap fonts we've been using. |
| 16:24.27 | mallum | jg: okey Im with you .. |
| 16:24.42 | mallum | jg: fixed and 5x7 ( iirc ) are built into tinyX right ? |
| 16:25.01 | jg | mallum: I don't remember exactly what is builtin. |
| 16:32.38 | mallum | WHOA -> http://ipodlinux.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:35.55 | pb_ | hobu: pb7 is just generally newer. It has updated versions of matchbox and some other programs, and includes some more fonts than previous images. I think the latter is the main reason for its increased size. |
| 16:37.09 | jg | pb_: note that fontconfig/Xft2 will oblique fonts automatically on its own, with decent quality. So including oblique/italic fonts by default is probably not a good strategy. |
| 16:37.42 | pb_ | jg: good thinking, that hadn't occurred to me. |
| 16:37.56 | pb_ | jg: thanks for your fonts.local.conf, by the way. |
| 16:38.09 | jg | also, vera is missing some of those faces, so we'll be obliquing them anyway. |
| 16:38.31 | jg | pb_: Slashdot, which abuses italic heavily, still looks ok, IMHO. |
| 16:38.57 | jg | Bitstream never built a couple of the faces for Vera for oblique. |
| 16:39.05 | pb_ | right. |
| 16:39.07 | jg | That is why it is 10 faces rather than 12. |
| 16:39.22 | jg | We have sans, serif and monospace in Vera. |
| 16:40.12 | jg | With fontconfig, if you use the names correctly, apps don't have to build in the font family name at all; it will alias properly to the appropriate family automatically, in the preferred order. |
| 16:40.28 | jg | So apps should use the names sans, serif and monospace by default. |
| 16:41.48 | jg | (rather than building Luxi, or Bitstream Vera, or whatever, into the application. |
| 16:42.33 | jg | pb_, mallum: is this all making sense to you both now? |
| 16:47.16 | jg | pb_, mallum: btw, Vera Monospace sans at 6 points is really sweet.... |
| 16:47.50 | mallum | jg: yep just about ;-) |
| 16:48.05 | mallum | jg: oooh, you already have the fonts ;-) |
| 16:48.31 | jg | mallum: Keith and I have been using them for 3-4 months. |
| 16:53.43 | mallum | jg: yeah, well I have X across 3 ttfs ;P |
| 16:53.53 | mallum | tfts rather :( |
| 16:54.52 | jg | mallum: yup. I have to settle for only 2 (not that I've had the chance to use them significantly for several months). |
| 16:55.48 | jg | mallum: on the other hand, my tft's are 1280x1024.... |
| 16:56.46 | mallum | ;-) |
| 16:56.52 | pb_ | jg: all sounds reasonable to me, yeah |
| 16:56.57 | mallum | jg: I think I still win on pixels |
| 16:58.47 | jg | 1280x1024x2 = 2621440; 1024x768x3 = 2359296. I win! |
| 16:59.35 | pb_ | heh |
| 16:59.41 | jg | mallum: so there! |
| 17:03.41 | mallum | bah |
| 17:03.49 | mallum | better get another monitor |
| 17:03.57 | mallum | I still have one free vga port |
| 17:04.01 | jg | mallum: yup. Or not gloat the next time before multiplying.... |
| 17:04.07 | mallum | hehe |
| 17:14.04 | hobu | pb_: I installed pb7 and everything seems ok except I cannot seem to mount my reiserfs microdrive... mount /dev/hda1 /local -t reiserfs says no such device, but when I don't specify the type it tries to look for a FAT filesystem there. The reiserfs-modules came from the unstable feed.... |
| 17:14.36 | pb_ | hobu: does reiserfs show in /proc/filesystems? |
| 17:14.57 | hobu | nope |
| 17:15.06 | pb_ | does lsmod show the module loaded? |
| 17:15.18 | hobu | nope |
| 17:15.25 | pb_ | sounds like you need to load it manually then. |
| 17:15.42 | pb_ | reiserfs certainly isn't part of the default setup. I'm not sure how it would normally be expected to get pulled in. |
| 17:16.41 | hobu | insmod reiserfs says kernel-module version mismatch... compiled for version 2.4.18-rmk3 current ver is 2.4.19-rmk4-pxa2-hh10 |
| 17:18.46 | pb_ | ah, you need reiserfs-modules from the 2.4.19 feed |
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| 17:23.22 | mccarthy | hi folks |
| 17:23.28 | pb_ | hey mccarthy |
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| 20:01.50 | *** topic/#gpe is GPE Palmtop Environment | http://gpe.handhelds.org | list of tasks on the wiki: http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/CurrentThingsToDo | http://europa.debian.org/bugzilla | bootgpe2 images now in http://handhelds.org/~pb/unstable/ | Familiar 0.7 issues: http://www.handhelds.org/bugzilla/showdependencytree.cgi?id=99 |
| 20:03.36 | mallum | cmarqu: can you reproduce it ? |
| 20:03.41 | mallum | cmarqu: you cant currently |
| 20:05.28 | cmarqu | mallum: Can't reproduce it right mow. |
| 20:06.21 | cmarqu | But I see another strange thing: when I have many dockapps showing, mbdesktop takes away the lowest icon (or maybe the whole row, I just have one icon there). |
| 20:07.36 | mallum | cmarqu: do scroll buttons appear ? |
| 20:08.04 | cmarqu | mallum: No. |
| 20:08.20 | cmarqu | Unless I don't see them... |
| 20:08.30 | cmarqu | FWIW, I'm running in transparent mode |
| 20:08.30 | mallum | cmarqu: what if you use the dpad to navigate ? |
| 20:08.45 | cmarqu | mallum: Ah, pad works. |
| 20:09.27 | cmarqu | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.16550.png -- or do you see buttons there (I don't know where to look for them) |
| 20:11.34 | mallum | cmarqu: no buttons :( |
| 20:11.53 | mallum | cmarqu: ah but you shouldn't have any the desktop is not full |
| 20:12.29 | cmarqu | mallum: I guess it is full, by just a few pixels. |
| 20:12.56 | cmarqu | mallum: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.27306.png -- this extra icon shows up when I hide minipredict |
| 20:13.36 | mallum | cmarqu: ah I think its the keyboard messign with it |
| 20:14.11 | mallum | cmarqu: A think the algorythm for showing the scroll bars is a bit crap :( |
| 20:14.25 | mallum | cmarqu: I thought Id fixed it but obviously not :( |
| 20:14.46 | cmarqu | mallum: Still, let me say that mbdesktop rulez!!1! :) |
| 20:16.32 | cmarqu | How do I make mbdesktop start up as mbdesktop --bg:trans --fontcol '#5e0707' by default? |
| 20:18.17 | mallum | cmarqu: if you copy /usr/bin/mbstart to ~/.mbstart , then edit it |
| 20:18.32 | mallum | cmarqu: you'll see in mbstart, it checks ~/.mbstart first |
| 20:18.47 | mallum | cmarqu: you can make the dock transparent too btw ;-) |
| 20:19.26 | cmarqu | Cool. |
| 20:19.57 | mallum | cmarqu: is that a matchbox from today ? |
| 20:20.22 | cmarqu | mallum: Yesterday night, unstable |
| 20:22.07 | mallum | cmarqu: I uploaded a new one today, I decreased the transparency among other things |
| 20:22.18 | mallum | cmarqu: also things like miniline should blend to the dock ok now |
| 20:23.03 | cmarqu | Ah, going to get it. |
| 20:23.52 | mallum | cmarqu: the scroll buttons may even appear but I doubt it :( |
| 20:26.47 | cmarqu | mallum: mbdock transparency percentage is not supported yet? |
| 20:26.58 | cmarqu | It is always fully transparent for me |
| 20:28.19 | mallum | cmarqu: hmm I thought it was have you tried --bgtrans 100 ? |
| 20:29.07 | mallum | cmarqu: you have to scap an image of it btw, I've never even see it trans on the ipaq ... |
| 20:29.40 | cmarqu | mallum: Ah... it gets whitish, not blackish. I was confused. |
| 20:30.35 | mallum | cmarqu: yeah like osx ish |
| 20:31.04 | mallum | cmarqu: you should be able to add an image and make that transparent too, but you cant yet ... |
| 20:31.05 | cmarqu | mallum: blackish would also be nice if you feel like it :) |
| 20:31.28 | mallum | cmarqu: yeah It'll work with the --bgcolor switch |
| 20:31.40 | cmarqu | Oh. |
| 20:32.53 | cmarqu | mallum: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.30412.png -- with a little buglet *xkbd) |
| 20:33.19 | cmarqu | I started mbdock after xkbd, and this is what happened. |
| 20:33.49 | cmarqu | telsa even. |
| 20:34.20 | mallum | cmarqu: yeah that happens sometimes |
| 20:34.44 | mallum | cmarqu: I messed around with a lot of the stacking stuff for multi orientation docks |
| 20:35.00 | mallum | cmarqu: some stuff got a little broken, Im working on fixing that |
| 20:35.09 | mallum | cmarqu: who's telse ? your mum ;-) |
| 20:36.30 | cmarqu | mallum: No, Alan Cox' wife. She told roman, that art.gnome.org guy to take down some of his screenshots because they showed some models |
| 20:38.42 | cmarqu | mallum: Did you mean to say that mbdock --bgcolor black --bgtrans 50 should work already? It does not for me. |
| 20:41.32 | mallum | cmarqu: no it dont work yet |
| 20:42.55 | cmarqu | Okay, so it was the language barrier :) |
| 20:43.34 | cmarqu | I just did /etc/init.d/gpe-dm stop ; /etc/init.d/gpe-dm start and had gpe-login with decorations. Maybe it should check if no WM is running (if it can)? |
| 20:44.16 | mallum | cmarqu: it can check |
| 20:45.13 | cmarqu | But it doesn't I guess. It could be potentially dangerous, a security breach I'd guess. |
| 20:45.23 | mallum | cmarqu: are you coming to fosdem btw ( or have I asked you before ? ) |
| 20:46.10 | cmarqu | mallum: You have, and the answer was "no" |
| 20:46.32 | PaxAnima | hmm.. my ipaq won't boot after an ipkg upgrade :( |
| 20:46.46 | mallum | cmarqu: :( |
| 20:47.30 | mallum | cmarqu: whys that then, surely you cant be that far ? |
| 20:48.41 | cmarqu | mallum: Deadline at work, and I'd need to take a day off at least |
| 20:49.04 | mallum | cmarqu: you have to work the weekend ? |
| 20:49.40 | cmarqu | No, but it would be too stressful otherwise. |
| 20:49.43 | cmarqu | Or... |
| 20:49.50 | cmarqu | Hell. Let me check. |
| 20:51.36 | mallum | :-) |
| 20:52.12 | cmarqu | ^ hours drive... |
| 20:52.14 | cmarqu | 6 even |
| 20:53.53 | mallum | ewe :( |
| 20:54.55 | cmarqu | Well... if I knew it would be going okay... |
| 20:57.19 | cmarqu | mallum: One last thing... does minitime accept a fontcol parameter? |
| 20:58.07 | cmarqu | An, want to trade cell phone numbers, in case I *do* go to FosDem? |
| 21:02.32 | mallum | cmarqu: not from the command line ... though you can set it via dockfgcol in theme.desktop |
| 21:08.18 | cmarqu | PanelFgColor it is, okay. Thanks. |
| 21:12.58 | mccarthy | cmarqu PaxAnima: Hmmm... it seems that my new "pan-able" mapviewer isnt working very well.... |
| 21:13.10 | mccarthy | (works great on the desktop though) |
| 21:16.31 | mccarthy | I wonder why it is barfing on the ipaq.... |
| 21:16.39 | mccarthy | mightbe time to reload gdb into ramfs.... |
| 21:16.52 | cmarqu | mccarthy: I didn't try it yet for lack of space for the map |
| 21:17.16 | mccarthy | cmarqu: no space on the ramfs? |
| 21:17.21 | mccarthy | which ipaq do you have? |
| 21:17.57 | cmarqu | mccarthy: 3635. Well, I might have room, but not that much I guess. |
| 21:18.30 | cmarqu | mccarthy: What is that map fetching script called? |
| 21:18.36 | mccarthy | Program terminated with signal SIGKILL, Killed.? |
| 21:18.54 | cmarqu | :/ |
| 21:18.57 | mccarthy | am I filling up the ram? |
| 21:19.03 | mccarthy | maybe I have a memory leak... |
| 21:19.20 | mccarthy | how do I check that on the ipaq? |
| 21:19.32 | mccarthy | cmarqu: gpe-fetchmap.pl |
| 21:20.50 | cmarqu | mccarthy: In the ipk you say? Where? Not in /usr/bin or in the path |
| 21:21.16 | mccarthy | cmarqu: oops. not in the ipk :) |
| 21:21.23 | cmarqu | Ah :) |
| 21:21.36 | mccarthy | I guess it wouldnt run *on* the ipaq anyway since it is perl... |
| 21:21.40 | mccarthy | how about at..... |
| 21:22.05 | cmarqu | Oh, yeah. |
| 21:22.25 | cmarqu | "How about..." rewriting it in sh? :) |
| 21:26.29 | mccarthy | http://granular.che.pitt.edu/~mccarthy/feed/gpe-fetchmap.pl |
| 21:26.48 | mccarthy | cmarqu: I *would* rewrite it in sh, but.... |
| 21:26.53 | mccarthy | 1. I *suck* at sh |
| 21:27.09 | mccarthy | 2. You have to do some math that might be beyond sh |
| 21:27.46 | mccarthy | cmarqu: oh yeah. *serious* memory leak :) |
| 21:27.56 | mccarthy | time to add some gfree's! |
| 21:28.10 | cmarqu | Ha! |
| 21:28.50 | mccarthy | if I wite *over* a pointer like this.... |
| 21:28.55 | mccarthy | image_pixbuf[i][j] = gdk_pixbuf_new_from_file (filename, NULL); |
| 21:29.02 | mccarthy | do I need to *free* it first?! |
| 21:39.07 | mccarthy | does cmarqu know a lot about sh?! ;) |
| 21:41.08 | BBrox | mccarthy: what's your question ? |
| 21:42.02 | cmarqu | mccarthy: Not really, but I know someone who does. |
| 21:42.12 | mccarthy | BBrox: "do you want to port X from perl to sh?" ;) |
| 21:42.27 | mccarthy | where X isnt the windowing system (obviously) |
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| 21:45.02 | BluefoxIcy | how does GPE work? i.e. appmgr, I compiled a copy on my desktop but can't figure out how to create the groups and icons |
| 21:45.25 | BluefoxIcy | looks nice on the iPaq though |
| 21:45.52 | BBrox | Oh not, BluefoxIcy here :-) |
| 21:46.00 | BluefoxIcy | hi |
| 21:46.02 | BBrox | mccarthy: nah, I would choose Python |
| 21:47.38 | mccarthy | BBrox: doesn help me with a GPE program really.... |
| 21:48.05 | BBrox | mccarthy: so what's your problem ? The free thingy ? |
| 21:50.19 | mccarthy | BBrox: apparaently not, since I dont know what the free thingie is? |
| 21:50.36 | mccarthy | oh. BBrox... I get it |
| 21:50.58 | mccarthy | you are responding to the g_free conversation, *not* the "cant you port fetchmap to sh" conversation |
| 21:51.26 | mccarthy | BBrox: ok. I am looking for memory leaks with splint and failing miserably (since it is having trouble with the gtk+-2.0 header files) |
| 21:51.42 | BBrox | mccarthy: yup, the 'do I need to *free* it first?!' |
| 21:52.13 | mccarthy | so I was asking specifically about over-writing gdk_pixbuf_new_from_file() things before *reassigning* them |
| 21:52.22 | mccarthy | like in... |
| 21:52.27 | mccarthy | image_pixbuf[i][j] = gdk_pixbuf_new_from_file (filename, NULL); |
| 21:52.46 | mccarthy | or using g_free, THEN running that command |
| 21:52.55 | BBrox | In that case, you need to free stuff, yes. |
| 21:53.07 | BBrox | There is no 'free' function for a pixbuf ? |
| 21:53.22 | mccarthy | BBrox: I dont know.... |
| 21:53.26 | mccarthy | ;) |
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| 21:55.00 | BBrox | Anyway, /me => ZZzzZZ |
| 21:55.21 | *** part/#gpe mccarthy (~mccarthy@granular.che.pitt.edu) |
| 21:57.43 | *** part/#gpe BluefoxIcy (Blue@pcp484601pcs.whtmrs01.md.comcast.net) |
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| 22:00.38 | cmarqu | There he is. |
| 22:00.42 | pb_ | ! |
| 22:00.50 | cmarqu | :) |
| 22:01.01 | cmarqu | Hi pb_ |
| 22:01.05 | pb_ | hi Colin :-) |
| 22:02.02 | cmarqu | pb_: In the (unlikely) case that I go to FosDem, want to trade cell phone numbers? |
| 22:02.48 | pb_ | cmarqu: sure, my number is (+44) 7973 869202 |
| 22:03.09 | cmarqu | Oops, in a public channel.. :) |
| 22:03.26 | cmarqu | Okay, let me ring it for two times to check. |
| 22:04.37 | pb_ | That's the one. |
| 22:04.40 | cmarqu | Did it work? |
| 22:04.44 | pb_ | Yup. |
| 22:04.52 | cmarqu | Good. Did you see my number? |
| 22:05.01 | pb_ | Yeah, thanks |
| 22:05.21 | cmarqu | Ah, good. Want to try back? mallum's call didn't get through. |
| 22:05.55 | cmarqu | Works. |
| 22:05.59 | pb_ | Cool |
| 22:06.19 | cmarqu | Is it +49177... or +490177...? |
| 22:06.34 | pb_ | Probably the former. Let me check. |
| 22:06.56 | pb_ | Yeah, +49177.. |
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| 22:07.24 | cmarqu | Hmm, that's what I gave mallum. |
| 22:08.08 | pb_ | Strange. What happened when he tried to call? |
| 22:08.41 | pb_ | (other than your phone failing to ring...) |
| 22:09.39 | cmarqu | I don't know, he said his phone might not be authorized for i18n |
| 22:09.39 | cmarqu | He is in hack mode right now :) |
| 22:09.49 | pb_ | Ah. Heh. |
| 22:10.11 | pb_ | Yeah, some British phone companies do have a habit of locking out international calls unless you explicitly ask for them. |
| 22:11.10 | cmarqu | I hope I can call from Belgium to a British phone that is in Belgium - with a German phone. |
| 22:11.17 | cmarqu | Should work, but who knows... |
| 22:12.14 | pb_ | Yes, indeed. Well, I think this is pretty mature technology by now so I don't expect there should be any trouble. |
| 22:12.29 | pb_ | You could always try to locate a public phone in Belgium and use that instead :-) |
| 22:13.45 | cmarqu | Yeah. |
| 22:14.50 | cmarqu | mapquest says it is a 6 hour drive, so chances are not that good that I go there anyway. |
| 22:15.40 | pb_ | Right, yeah. :-/ |
| 22:17.25 | pb_ | mallum: well, minilite and its friends seem to have the right backgrounds again with the new matchbox. So, cool. |
| 22:21.12 | cmarqu | pb_: Today, I did gpe-dm stop/start, and one time gpe-login came up with WM decorations. Could that be dangerous, security-wise? |
| 22:21.25 | pb_ | cmarqu: yeah, that's a bit disturbing. |
| 22:21.31 | cmarqu | I wasn't able to close it with that button, but still... |
| 22:21.51 | pb_ | I have no idea what happened there, though, it sounds very strange. |
| 22:22.25 | cmarqu | Only one time out of maybe 25. |
| 22:22.33 | pb_ | Hmm. |
| 22:25.11 | mallum | pb_: excellent :-) |
| 22:25.53 | mallum | ibot: seen dc |
| 22:25.54 | | dc <~dc@modem-15-55-60-62.vip.uk.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gpe, 28d 22h 14m 48s ago, saying: 'mallum: :))'. |
| 22:26.01 | mallum | ibot: seen dc_ |
| 22:26.01 | | dc_ <~dc@modem-22-53-60-62.vip.uk.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gpe, 2d 9h 34m 17s ago, saying: 'people won't have to know that at fosdem :]'. |
| 22:26.06 | mallum | ibot: seen dc__ |
| 22:26.06 | | dc__ <~dc@62.60.119.100> was last seen on IRC in channel #gpe, 4d 18h 3m 27s ago, saying: 'I've finished my maths coursework :\'. |
| 22:26.11 | mallum | ibot: seen dc____________________________________ |
| 22:26.11 | | i haven't seen 'dc____________________________________', mallum |
| 22:26.25 | mallum | hmm dc has gone awol |
| 22:26.42 | pb_ | seems that way. |
| 22:27.21 | mallum | I need to speak to him about his train etc |
| 22:27.45 | pb_ | Try sending him mail, I guess. |
| 22:28.26 | mallum | pb_: do you know his adress ? |
| 22:28.32 | pb_ | dctanner@magenet.com |
| 22:28.50 | mallum | pb_: cool, thx |
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| 22:50.32 | dc_ibook | :) |
| 22:50.49 | dc_ibook | pb_, mallum: evening |
| 22:51.00 | pb_ | dc_ibook: yo |
| 22:51.13 | dc_ibook | fosdem is soon, yay. |
| 22:51.23 | pb_ | indeed. |
| 22:51.29 | pb_ | heh |
| 22:51.31 | dc_ibook | yes. |
| 22:51.41 | dc_ibook | pb_: anyhow, what have I been missing. |
| 22:51.54 | PaxAnima | hello |
| 22:52.05 | dc_ibook | PaxAnima: good evening. |
| 22:52.14 | pb_ | dc_ibook: well, not too much I guess. I made a new version of teleport yesterday which has the new security code in. |
| 22:52.22 | dc_ibook | good'o |
| 22:52.28 | dc_ibook | pb_: and it's working well. |
| 22:52.38 | dc_ibook | pb_: ready for impressing people at fosdem> |
| 22:52.40 | dc_ibook | ? |
| 22:53.16 | pb_ | dc_ibook: well, I haven't tested it that much. It's in unstable if you want to have a go. |
| 22:53.16 | PaxAnima | pb_: my ipaq won't boot after last ipkg upgrade :/ |
| 22:53.40 | dc_ibook | pb_: on friday, |
| 22:54.07 | dc_ibook | pb_: in other news....do we know the current state of the 54xx or whatever port? |
| 22:54.09 | pb_ | dc_ibook: righto |
| 22:54.20 | dc_ibook | pb_: has jamey and co been working on it at all.. |
| 22:54.39 | pb_ | dc_ibook: not a great deal of progress as far as I am aware. Jamey has been plugging away at some of the ipaq3 low level stuff, and Keith Packard has reputedly started work on a video driver. |
| 22:54.39 | PaxAnima | pb_: mind joining #flood for the error messages when failing to boot, or should I paste it here? it's 7 lines |
| 22:54.45 | pb_ | PaxAnima: paste it here |
| 22:54.54 | PaxAnima | booting boot/zImage from partition >root< |
| 22:54.55 | PaxAnima | find_inode failed for name=zImage-2.4.19-rmk4-pxa2-hh5 |
| 22:54.55 | PaxAnima | Failed to resolve inode file structure |
| 22:54.55 | PaxAnima | loaded file of size = 0x00000000 at location 0xC0008000 |
| 22:54.55 | PaxAnima | kernel partition base C0008000 |
| 22:54.57 | PaxAnima | kernel_magic=C3F9F001 |
| 22:54.58 | dc_ibook | pb_: does the booldr load fine? |
| 22:54.59 | PaxAnima | kernel_region_words[9]=00000000 |
| 22:55.02 | PaxAnima | Unrecognized kernel image |
| 22:55.22 | pb_ | dc_ibook: I don't know if they have even started porting bootldr yet. |
| 22:55.25 | pb_ | PaxAnima: seems your bootldr is too old |
| 22:55.31 | PaxAnima | pb_: huh? |
| 22:55.43 | dc_ibook | pb_: hum |
| 22:55.50 | pb_ | well, either that or your jffs2 is corrupt. what version do you have? |
| 22:55.53 | PaxAnima | pb_: it's 2.18.54 |
| 22:56.09 | dc_ibook | pb_: well, I have been offered 200 pounds off one :} |
| 22:56.21 | pb_ | PaxAnima: in that case, probably corrupt jffs2 or incorrect kernel filename I suppose |
| 22:56.23 | pb_ | dc_ibook: aha |
| 22:56.24 | PaxAnima | pb_: all I did was, as mentioned, a ipkg upgrade and a reboot |
| 22:56.37 | mallum | dc_ibook: hey |
| 22:56.44 | pb_ | PaxAnima: how come your kernel_filename is getting set to the string you quoted? |
| 22:56.45 | dc_ibook | mallum: evening! |
| 22:56.53 | mallum | dc_ibook: :-) |
| 22:57.10 | dc_ibook | mallum: sounds good eh :) |
| 22:57.13 | PaxAnima | pb_: haven't touched anything |
| 22:57.25 | mallum | dc_ibook: I think you should try and get to the station a little earlier, just in case train gets delayed etc |
| 22:57.31 | dc_ibook | all I'd have to do now is muster the other 265 pounds... |
| 22:57.33 | dc_ibook | mallum: right'o |
| 22:57.36 | mallum | dc_ibook: otherwise we'll be cutting things a little fine |
| 22:57.44 | pb_ | PaxAnima: well, that is certainly not the bootldr default. |
| 22:58.04 | PaxAnima | pb_: any ideas to what I can do? |
| 22:58.07 | dc_ibook | mallum: I think I may have to catch an earier one. |
| 22:58.09 | pb_ | PaxAnima: try setting it back to the more conventional /boot/zImage and see what happens. |
| 22:58.12 | dc_ibook | mallum: does that work fine with you? |
| 22:58.20 | dc_ibook | mallum: like 9/10 issh... |
| 22:58.42 | dc_ibook | mallum: london bridge wasn't it? |
| 22:59.23 | PaxAnima | pb_: well, it says booting boot/zImage from partition >root<... jamey thought it might be a bad symlink.... how could I fix that? |
| 23:00.15 | pb_ | oh yes, so it does. I guess you have to find out what your kernel is actually called, and select it by full pathname. |
| 23:00.52 | PaxAnima | where would it be located? ls /boot gives me only zImage |
| 23:01.15 | dc_ibook | mallum: it would be alot easier for my parents if they can drive me onto the train station after dopping off my sisters. |
| 23:01.17 | pb_ | in that case it sounds like you have managed to end up with no kernel at all installed. |
| 23:01.32 | PaxAnima | :/ |
| 23:01.57 | mallum | dc_ibook: cool, if you can do that |
| 23:02.01 | dc_ibook | mallum: and I'd be look at getting a train that arrives at either 9:39 or 10:10 |
| 23:02.08 | PaxAnima | pb_: so the only options is a reflash? |
| 23:02.09 | mallum | dc_ibook: yep, thats fine |
| 23:02.36 | pb_ | PaxAnima: that's certainly the easiest option. I think you can load the kernel from CF, or via xmodem, as an alternative. |
| 23:02.44 | dc_ibook | mallum: right, well. I'll talk to them about it some more. Then we can finalise it on thursday night. |
| 23:03.08 | PaxAnima | pb_: any instructions on web for doing that? |
| 23:03.15 | pb_ | PaxAnima: bootldr howto maybe |
| 23:03.40 | dc_ibook | mallum: I also need to finalise the cheque amounts with you and pb_ then. |
| 23:05.35 | dc_ibook | anyhow....time is precious...and I need sleep :) |
| 23:05.47 | dc_ibook | mallum: we'll talk about it on thursday |
| 23:13.10 | pb_ | mallum: did you try out the updated teleport at all? |
| 23:16.25 | cmarqu | pb_: I just try it, and I cannot acknowledge my host. Return doesn't close the little dialog. |
| 23:16.38 | pb_ | cmarqu: hrm |
| 23:16.59 | pb_ | cmarqu: clicking on "OK" doesn't help either, I suppose? |
| 23:17.21 | cmarqu | Uhm. There is no "OK". |
| 23:17.26 | mallum | pb_: oh yeah I did ! |
| 23:17.48 | mallum | pb_: I tried it late last night, but I just kept getting 'unable to migrate' :( |
| 23:17.51 | pb_ | cmarqu: ah. which window are you looking at? The one where you add new displays, or the "main" window? |
| 23:18.03 | pb_ | mallum: did you set GPE_DISPLAY_MIGRATION=1 in the environment before starting the clients? |
| 23:18.08 | mallum | pb_: no |
| 23:18.14 | pb_ | mallum: ah, that would be it. |
| 23:18.24 | mallum | pb_: ah okey |
| 23:18.27 | cmarqu | pb_: The one where I add new displays. |
| 23:18.29 | pb_ | migration is off by default. |
| 23:18.34 | pb_ | cmarqu: strange. |
| 23:18.37 | mallum | pb_: okey cool |
| 23:18.44 | mallum | pb_: I will set that up now |
| 23:18.50 | cmarqu | pb_: Want a scap? |
| 23:18.55 | pb_ | cmarqu: please |
| 23:20.04 | cmarqu | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.18316.png |
| 23:20.22 | pb_ | cmarqu: wow |
| 23:21.18 | cmarqu | teleport is not printing anything on the command line. |
| 23:22.14 | mallum | cmarqu: you got scroll buttons |
| 23:22.30 | cmarqu | mallum: Yeah, I saw then now. |
| 23:26.08 | pb_ | hrm, and it seems that tp-keygen segfaults on my ipaq for some unknown reason. |
| 23:43.22 | pb_ | ah, looks like a broken libgcrypt. :-/ |
| 23:50.55 | mallum | pb_: do I have to run tp-keygen first ? |
| 23:51.45 | mallum | pb_: teleport just seg's for me now :( |
| 23:51.59 | mallum | pb_: also it would be cool if it saved the list of displays |
| 23:52.34 | pb_ | mallum: yeah, you need to run tp-keygen to create a key. |
| 23:53.02 | pb_ | the teleport code in CVS will give you an error if you don't have one set up, but it wouldn't surprise me if the packaged version segfaults. |
| 23:53.45 | pb_ | I'll try to build a new libgcrypt1 package tomorrow. |
| 23:53.59 | cmarqu | Night all. |
| 23:54.11 | pb_ | cmarqu: night |
| 23:56.42 | mallum | pb_: that just segs too :( |
| 23:56.53 | pb_ | yes. |
| 23:57.21 | mallum | pb_: okey np |
| 23:59.01 | mallum | pb_: is it not a big problem ? |
| 23:59.28 | pb_ | I don't know; I haven't tried to debug it yet. |
| 23:59.41 | pb_ | I guess installing the libgcrypt1 from Debian would probably fix it. |
