| 00:00.08 | cortex | I'm not sure how locales work exactly, but I suspect that the "correct" behaviour when encountering an UTF-8 string in an ISO-8859-1 locale would be to display sön (i.e. "sön" in UTF-8 interpreted as ISO-8859-1), and thus terminal and ssh is doing things right, while gpe-calendar is wrong? |
| 00:02.57 | PaxAnima | UTF-8 strings looks weird on ISO-8859-1 locales, yes |
| 00:12.55 | pb_ | cortex: if you think gpe-calendar is doing something wrong, file a bug report with the details and I'll have a look at it. |
| 00:15.11 | PaxAnima | cortex: where are the locale packages located? |
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| 10:17.06 | PaxAnima | morning |
| 10:25.16 | drkness | greetings PaxAnima |
| 10:25.29 | PaxAnima | hi, drkness |
| 10:25.37 | drkness | hows going PaxAnima |
| 10:26.15 | PaxAnima | good |
| 10:26.57 | drkness | PaxAnima: find launching application 'sluggish' is that true with you as well?. |
| 10:27.34 | PaxAnima | how "launching"? |
| 10:27.57 | drkness | 'executing' from the gpe 'control panel' |
| 10:28.32 | drkness | same with executing from the menu... |
| 10:29.53 | PaxAnima | ah.. well, not too sluggish, I'd say |
| 10:32.39 | PaxAnima | drkness: would you like to test an app for me? |
| 10:38.13 | drkness | PaxAnima: sorry my ipaq's not accessible.. whats the app?? |
| 10:39.04 | PaxAnima | oh... the apps is minipredict, a word completion app that sits above the mbdock |
| 10:40.00 | drkness | PaxAnima: got a URL link.. will check it out later? |
| 10:40.34 | PaxAnima | it's in the unstable feed, so a "ipkg install minipredict" should do it |
| 10:40.46 | drkness | k will... |
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| 12:16.09 | PaxAnima | hi, mallum |
| 12:21.22 | mallum | hey PaxAnima |
| 12:25.15 | PaxAnima | mallum: do you happen to know anything about the .csv file saved by the nokia sync app? (if you have a nokia, at all) |
| 12:27.03 | mallum | PaxAnima: the csv file from gnokii ? |
| 12:28.00 | sjw | PaxAnima: is there a nokia sync app in gpe? |
| 12:28.49 | PaxAnima | mallum: hmm.. I'll have a look at it before finding out the hard way |
| 12:30.23 | PaxAnima | sjw: I think the mentioned gnokii is in the feed? |
| 12:30.41 | sjw | ah, gnokii - yes, gnokii works well |
| 12:30.58 | sjw | csv = comma seperated values |
| 12:31.01 | PaxAnima | yup |
| 12:31.16 | PaxAnima | or: does gnonkii have csv support? |
| 12:32.14 | sjw | gnokii has its own format |
| 12:33.01 | PaxAnima | ok.. I just bought a siemens S55 and want to export data from my nokia to the S55 |
| 12:33.42 | sjw | you can write a simple python script to convert the numbers |
| 12:34.07 | sjw | you can even send me the gnokii dump and I'll write it for you |
| 12:35.07 | PaxAnima | thanks, but I've planned to make a csv nokia import for some time, so this is a good time to do it... |
| 12:35.31 | sjw | ok :) |
| 12:36.04 | PaxAnima | guess I'll export it to vcards, or something |
| 12:36.52 | sjw | shouldn't be too hard |
| 12:37.45 | PaxAnima | nope.. I've written a (almost dead at the moment) PIM, and have all the code I need ;) |
| 12:38.30 | sjw | we need a cool GUI for gnokii... |
| 12:38.50 | sjw | is someone working on a pocket expense tracker? i was thinking about starting that |
| 12:40.05 | PaxAnima | dunno |
| 12:45.13 | PaxAnima | all righty.. got the type ids.. now lets see if I remember how my PIM was... ;) |
| 13:09.10 | sjw | if you write a converter, I would like a copy... |
| 13:11.13 | PaxAnima | sure, but I will be dependant on my PIM lib, but I'll see if I can free it from that dependency |
| 13:11.37 | mallum | anyone got an idea what debian package pand is it ( dpkg -L various bluez packages gives noting :( ), yet its installed |
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| 13:50.06 | PaxAnima | yay! I can now read nokia CSVs... maybe include the unicode to ASCII in the code, so I avoid using iconv externally |
| 13:54.39 | sjw | PA: how are you uploading it back to the phone? |
| 13:55.04 | PaxAnima | sjw: guess I'll just dump in the vcf |
| 13:55.23 | PaxAnima | e.g., using obex |
| 13:55.24 | sjw | and then? |
| 13:55.53 | PaxAnima | then the data is stored on the phone? |
| 13:56.18 | sjw | ah, cool... never used obex before |
| 13:57.15 | PaxAnima | openobex as some utils for sending vcfs to Palm handhelds, and they work for the nokia, as well.. so I assume it should work for my new siemens |
| 14:00.13 | sjw | worth a try |
| 14:00.19 | PaxAnima | yup |
| 14:02.20 | PaxAnima | ;) |
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| 15:07.38 | florian | hi all |
| 15:08.37 | sjw | hey florian |
| 15:18.42 | mallum | hey florian |
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| 16:08.30 | spung_ | anyone here have an arm cross compiling environment? |
| 16:09.16 | sjw | spung_: do you run debian? |
| 16:09.25 | spung_ | sjw: yes |
| 16:09.28 | spung_ | (of course :-) |
| 16:09.47 | sjw | http://handhelds.org/~pb/deb-toolchain.html |
| 16:09.54 | sjw | :) |
| 16:10.00 | spung_ | sjw: have you actually got that to work? |
| 16:10.09 | sjw | erm, no :-) |
| 16:10.15 | spung_ | sjw: thought so :) |
| 16:10.24 | sjw | I havn't tried yet... |
| 16:10.39 | sjw | there is also http://www.handhelds.org/~nils/gtk2-2.2.0-skiff-arm-complete.tar.gz |
| 16:11.05 | spung_ | sjw: i can compile simple programs but i haven't been able to get gtk/pango/atk libs working |
| 16:11.27 | sjw | spung_: well, you are one step ahead of me...I am anxiously awaiting the weekend :-) |
| 16:11.53 | spung_ | sjw: well, i'm anxiously awating for pb :) |
| 16:12.34 | sjw | heh |
| 16:12.40 | sjw | <grin> |
| 16:13.31 | spung_ | it compiles, but won't link |
| 16:17.25 | spung_ | but i think it's because libgpewidget has some bugs |
| 16:18.48 | spung_ | sjw: so, my arm cross debs of gtk/pango/glib might be handy ;) |
| 16:19.11 | sjw | spung_: indeed! when you get it working, drop me a mail? stefanv@synapp.com |
| 16:19.22 | spung_ | sjw: ok :) |
| 16:19.29 | sjw | ta! |
| 16:19.31 | sjw | cheers |
| 16:21.18 | mallum | PHEW ! |
| 16:21.37 | spung_ | mallum: ? |
| 16:21.44 | spung_ | whats up? |
| 16:22.00 | mallum | I've just got the matchbox theme engine working again :-) |
| 16:22.12 | spung_ | hah, why did it break? |
| 16:22.13 | mallum | spung_: I rewrote it and it been complete pain for days |
| 16:22.24 | spung_ | heheh |
| 16:22.24 | mallum | spung_: it working again now |
| 16:22.26 | spung_ | congrats then |
| 16:23.10 | mallum | spung_: it now does pngs, alpha channel and shaped windows and window borders ( nearly ) |
| 16:23.37 | spung_ | cool |
| 16:24.09 | spung_ | mallum: hope that doesn't make it less of a wm suited for little resources? |
| 16:26.36 | mallum | spung_: you welcome to stay with mb 0.3 or whatever |
| 16:27.05 | spung_ | mallum: err, i was just asking? |
| 16:27.58 | spung_ | mallum: well, that'd be a 'no' to my question then! :D |
| 16:28.08 | mallum | spung_: and the themeing is completely seperate now so you could in effect write you own seperate theme engine |
| 16:28.18 | spung_ | mallum: cool |
| 16:29.23 | spung_ | anyone have any idea how to fix this? |
| 16:29.24 | spung_ | ../../../../arm-linux/lib/libpangox-1.0.a(thai-x.o) |
| 16:29.24 | spung_ | /usr/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/3.2/../../../../arm-linux/lib/libpangox-1.0.a(thai-x.o)(.text+0x13c): In function `thai_make_unknown_glyph': |
| 16:29.27 | spung_ | : multiple definition of `thai_make_unknown_glyph' |
| 16:29.30 | spung_ | /usr/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/3.2/../../../../arm-linux/lib/libpangoxft-1.0.a(thai-xft.o)(.text+0x1cc): first defined here |
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| 16:51.55 | mallum | hey pb_, jg |
| 16:53.02 | jg | mallum: hi. |
| 16:53.47 | mallum | jg: any news on the font front ? |
| 16:54.22 | jg | just got off the phone with Bob Thomas. The CEO of bitstream has her board meeting tomorrow, and she has said she wants to wrap this up this week. |
| 16:54.41 | mallum | jg: cool! |
| 16:54.57 | pb_ | hi mallum |
| 16:54.59 | pb_ | hi jg |
| 16:55.17 | jg | mallum: note the early fonts are not redistributable; we hope for finished fonts at the end of the month. |
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| 16:55.42 | mallum | jg: oh you mean the 'beta' fonts right ? |
| 16:56.07 | jg | yes. |
| 17:06.46 | mallum | pb_: do you know what debian package has pand in it ? |
| 17:11.16 | pb_ | It doesn't appear to be packaged. |
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| 17:19.30 | mallum | pb_: hmmm, I wonder where I got it from then .... |
| 17:23.47 | mallum | pb_: btw I just put a fix into mbtray so minilite etc should get there proper backgrounds back ... |
| 17:24.08 | mallum | pb_: Im just fixing some things with mbdesktop, then I'll build a new ipkg |
| 17:29.49 | pb_ | ok, great. |
| 17:34.45 | mallum | pb_: also mbtray.c has a new method now which will return you an mbpixbuf of whats below it; |
| 17:34.48 | mallum | MBPixbufImage * |
| 17:34.48 | mallum | mb_tray_get_bg_img(MBPixbuf *pb, Window win) |
| 17:52.49 | jg | mallum, pb: how goes the new gtk2 gpe? I've not had time to play with it? |
| 17:56.52 | mallum | jg: new aas in pb's new images, or just new in general ? |
| 18:00.45 | jg | in general; how far from release are we? |
| 18:02.09 | jg | mallum: just trying to get a sense of things. |
| 18:02.24 | jg | mallum: how are your new X packages making out? Any issues in replacing the old ones? |
| 18:02.35 | mallum | jg: yeah there out and seem fine |
| 18:03.34 | mallum | jg: pb will know of more released based issues, but it seems pretty good, if a little less snappy than gtk1.2 ( to be expected really ) |
| 18:04.11 | mallum | jg: when I have some time, I'll build some tslib based packages |
| 18:04.19 | mallum | jg: XServer ones |
| 18:05.10 | mallum | jg: I put the very beginnings in for a tslib based callibration tool |
| 18:05.41 | mallum | jg: hopefully then with tslib, the packages will work on the zaraus as well ( apparently they have tslib for there kerenl too ) |
| 18:13.20 | PaxAnima | jg: any familiar with xstroke? if I launch an app after I've launched my word prediction dock app, xstroke doens't work send any KeyPress events, but xkbd do.. source for the app at http://handhelds.org/~paxanima/files/minipredict.c, if you'd care to look for bad X programming (never done any X stuff before, especially not gtk and X code in the same app) |
| 18:16.54 | jg | PaxAnima: No, I'm not familiar with xstroke. |
| 18:17.12 | PaxAnima | ok |
| 18:17.47 | PaxAnima | jg: tried minipredict? |
| 18:18.17 | jg | PaxAnima: Nope. I still haven't caught up with things after busting my ankle. |
| 18:18.31 | PaxAnima | ah |
| 18:19.29 | jg | PaxAnima: Various things have been clamoring for attention that I can't ignore; fonts and other stuff. And I can't delegate those topics, so the time I've had has been committed, since I started functioning again. |
| 18:19.44 | jg | PaxAnima: I hope to get things under better control this week. |
| 18:20.08 | jg | mallum: so the X packages are now in unstable? |
| 18:20.19 | PaxAnima | jg: ah, I see |
| 18:20.51 | jg | mallum: dunno why gtk2 should be less snappy... |
| 18:21.07 | jg | mallum: unless there is some fp lurking somewhere. |
| 18:23.03 | PaxAnima | gtk2 has become a more advanced and and heavy with 2.x |
| 18:23.32 | pb_ | jg: gtk2 is just generally bigger; it's inevitably going to be somewhat slower. I don't think there's any more fp than there was in gtk1. |
| 18:24.26 | jg | pb_: not necessarily slower.... I've certainly not noticed anything visibly slower on my laptop with GTK2. May be worth some investigation... |
| 18:24.54 | pb_ | jg: your laptop is probably fast enough anyway that you don't notice the difference; it's not really noticeable on my desktop either. |
| 18:25.27 | jg | pb_: what state is the subsetting patch for gtk? |
| 18:25.41 | pb_ | jg: no change on that. |
| 18:27.28 | jg | pb_: would be nice to get the deprecated widgets out of the gtk we usually use: they will inhibit migration of apps. |
| 18:27.38 | pb_ | jg: agreed. |
| 18:28.17 | pb_ | jg: I think a good number of the gpe applications are migratable now, though certainly not all. |
| 18:28.33 | jg | pb_: having people normally building against a GTK without them would make it much more obvious where the problems will be. |
| 18:29.27 | jg | pb_: anything to inhibit a gtk 2 release of GTK now? What's left? |
| 18:29.58 | mallum | jg: yes, now in unstable |
| 18:30.00 | pb_ | jg: see http://handhelds.org/bugzilla/showdependencytree.cgi?id=99 for a general list of issues that should ideally be resolved for familiar 0.7 |
| 18:30.55 | pb_ | the most serious blocking ones from a pure GPE perspective are 557, 574 and I guess 559. |
| 18:31.14 | pb_ | 574 could be trivially fixed with a change to the Depends: line, though a recompile would be preferable. |
| 18:33.05 | mallum | pb_: why do you need xinput support ? |
| 18:33.22 | pb_ | mallum: rxvt doesn't seem to support input of accented characters unless XInput is enabled |
| 18:33.43 | mallum | pb_: ewe :( |
| 18:33.47 | PaxAnima | finally got around to mail cworth about my xstroke/minipredict problem.. |
| 18:33.55 | pb_ | there is a separate bug open about dead keys not functioning properly, which I think is the same issue. |
| 18:33.56 | jg | pb_: smells more likely to be Xlib needing a UTF 8 locale... |
| 18:34.11 | pb_ | jg: the problem with accented characters occurs even in a legacy locale |
| 18:34.36 | jg | pb_: have you looked at the rxvt sources? |
| 18:34.41 | pb_ | jg: yes |
| 18:34.42 | mallum | pb_: I didn't think XInput was for keyboards ? |
| 18:35.25 | jg | I'd be amazed if it were depending on XInput: that is for things like trackballs, tablets, etc... |
| 18:35.57 | pb_ | mallum: I haven't attempted to debug the cause; I've just observed that it works when rxvt is configured --enable-xinput, and not when it isn't. |
| 18:36.01 | jg | Xkb, maybe. |
| 18:36.07 | jg | ugh.... |
| 18:36.12 | mallum | jg: yeah |
| 18:36.37 | jg | it may very well depend on the keyboard extension. |
| 18:37.29 | pb_ | ok. |
| 18:39.50 | jg | pb_: the question is, how many of these bugs do we really want to hold .7 up for? |
| 18:40.35 | jg | pb_: of course, keeping them blocking costs us nothing until we have a .7 base system to use; I'll talk to Russ about that.... |
| 18:41.24 | pb_ | jg: until 557 is fixed, there is no hope of making a release. Once we reach that point, we can re-evaluate the list of blocking bugs and decide which we want to punt to a future version. |
| 18:41.46 | pb_ | In quality-of-release terms, I think all the bugs listed on the 99 blockers page at the moment are important. |
| 18:42.05 | jg | yeah, that one looks like a serious one. But why is Carl trying to install a gtk 2.0, rather than a 2.2.? |
| 18:42.48 | pb_ | libgtk2.0-0 is just the package name. |
| 18:43.03 | jg | oh. |
| 18:43.17 | pb_ | incidentally, the address in [] is the assignee, not the submitter. |
| 18:43.23 | jg | 547 can be fixed by rebuilding xstroke against xft2, which we should do anyway. |
| 18:43.31 | jg | probably just a recompile. |
| 18:43.34 | pb_ | yes. |
| 18:43.47 | jg | we don't want to carry the space of libXft1... |
| 18:44.15 | pb_ | well, you can use libxft1-compat, which doesn't cost much, but it would certainly be nicer to get it built against libXft.so.2 |
| 18:44.24 | jg | yes. |
| 18:44.37 | jg | most things just recompile unchanged to go from Xft1 to Xft2. |
| 18:45.12 | pb_ | indeed |
| 18:47.18 | mallum | pb_: I dont even think xstroke needs any libxft |
| 18:47.41 | pb_ | didn't you make it use xft for the text in the dock icon? |
| 18:48.00 | mallum | nope |
| 18:48.08 | pb_ | ah, maybe it just needs render then. |
| 18:48.18 | mallum | yeah I think so |
| 18:48.25 | jg | see what it's actually linked against... |
| 18:48.30 | pb_ | it's linked against xft |
| 18:48.38 | mallum | the makefiles may be still linking it against xft though .... |
| 18:48.40 | pb_ | that was the cause of the original report. |
| 18:48.41 | jg | ugh. Sounds a bit unlikely. |
| 18:48.49 | jg | it certainly depends on render. |
| 18:48.59 | jg | (translucent drawing of the pen) |
| 18:49.40 | pb_ | yeah |
| 18:50.15 | jg | nothing looks too hard, that I see, in the list of blockers... |
| 18:50.32 | pb_ | no; for the most part it is just a case of people finding time to work on them. |
| 18:50.56 | pb_ | of course there are also many other bugs that, while not strictly blockers, would be nice to have fixed. |
| 18:51.07 | jg | pb_: yeah, the question is how much trouble I'll have getting my build environment to work again on my laptop. |
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| 18:51.24 | pb_ | jg: right. |
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| 18:51.49 | jg | pb_: I'll try in a day or two: got sick wife and kid at home, so it won't be today. |
| 18:51.56 | pb_ | jg: ok, cool. |
| 18:52.00 | mallum | pb_: I have a new xstroke building now ... |
| 18:52.04 | pb_ | mallum: great |
| 18:52.24 | mallum | pb_: no I dont its spewed a load of crap at me |
| 18:52.26 | jg | see if you can get rid of the Xft dependency entirely. |
| 18:52.28 | pb_ | ah, suck. |
| 18:52.41 | jg | ugh... |
| 18:53.25 | mallum | it dont appear to build against new xft stuff :( |
| 18:53.40 | jg | mallum: so what is it using xft for? |
| 18:53.40 | mallum | and it appears to have xft calls still in it ( I dont know why ) |
| 18:53.57 | jg | well, the conversion to xft2 should be pretty easy.... |
| 18:54.05 | jg | (it says here). |
| 18:54.21 | mallum | jg: I think its just including the wrong stuff ( not using pkgconfig / xft-config |
| 18:54.27 | pb_ | anybody have thoughts on bug 573, by the way? it would be really good to find a way to at least ameliorate that for 0.7. |
| 18:55.21 | mallum | I can fix the xstroke stuff, but probably not for a few days .... |
| 18:55.28 | pb_ | mallum: ok. |
| 18:55.30 | jg | pb_: no, I've never used bluetooth, and don't even have a unit with it... |
| 18:55.58 | pb_ | jg: er, which bug are you looking at there? 573 is not bluetooth |
| 18:56.06 | jg | mallum: it need not block things as we can put out the xft1 package if we have to.... |
| 18:56.19 | pb_ | jg: http://handhelds.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=573 is the "accidental use of xkill considered harmful" one. |
| 18:56.21 | jg | sorry: I saw 543 |
| 18:56.26 | pb_ | ah |
| 18:57.01 | pb_ | yeah, 543 is needed to make gpe-bluetooth work, but it wouldn't be the end of the world if that didn't happen. |
| 18:57.17 | pb_ | I can always take care of that one myself if need be. |
| 18:57.19 | mallum | pb_: maybe a gtk xkill with a 'are you sure' dialog ? |
| 18:57.51 | pb_ | mallum: maybe, yeah. I wasn't quite sure what the reason was for wanting xkill in the menu; I've never needed to use it on the ipaq that I can think of. |
| 18:58.21 | jg | pb_: or hide it better, another level down. |
| 18:58.55 | jg | pb_: I'm not enough of a GTK programmer to do the suggested solution.... |
| 18:59.19 | pb_ | jg: trouble with hiding it is that some launchers only have a single level of hierarchy. |
| 18:59.20 | jg | pb_: there are times you need to kill with extreme predudice. |
| 18:59.42 | pb_ | jg: yeah, but are they frequent enough that you need xkill to be available in the application launcher? |
| 18:59.45 | jg | The right thing is to send the ICCCM message, followed by the kill after a delay. |
| 19:00.03 | jg | pb_: need some way to kill things that aren't responding.... |
| 19:00.05 | mallum | jg: or a _NET_WM_PING |
| 19:00.17 | jg | but maybe things are beyond that in gpe now. |
| 19:00.24 | jg | I have to go to a teleconference. |
| 19:00.28 | pb_ | ok. |
| 19:00.35 | pb_ | time for me to go home also |
| 19:00.44 | jg | I may be back later after I go home to sick wife, but I can't rely on it.... |
| 19:00.51 | pb_ | righto |
| 19:01.26 | pb_ | mallum: oh, by the way, I think I have the rsa stuff in teleport mostly working now. I'll try to finish that this evening. |
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| 19:19.19 | florian_ | hi all! |
| 19:20.58 | PaxAnima | hi, florian_ |
| 19:23.03 | PaxAnima | mallum: you got mail (from cworth) |
| 19:24.22 | jg | mallum: Carl will look into the xstroke problem.... |
| 19:39.34 | florian_ | is there a difference starting an application from desktop or menu? |
| 19:43.57 | mallum | florian_: shouldn't be |
| 19:45.52 | florian_ | mallum: screen setup startet from menu (defined by the .desktop) works perfect. |
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| 19:47.48 | florian_ | mallum: screen setup from destop hangs if i try to change backlight... |
| 19:47.57 | florian_ | pb_: hi |
| 19:48.04 | pb_ | florian_: evening |
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| 19:55.00 | mallum | florian_: hmm, I just installed gpe-conf2 and its not given me any .desktop entries ? |
| 19:57.55 | mallum | pb_: new matchbox uplaoding |
| 19:58.00 | pb_ | mallum: great |
| 20:00.12 | mallum | pb_: the minilite background is still broke though :( |
| 20:00.22 | pb_ | suck |
| 20:01.24 | mallum | florian_: okey, it seemed the package hadn't installed correctly :( |
| 20:01.51 | mallum | florian_: I reinstalled it, but now I get an 'error loading /usr/share/gpe/pixmaps/ipaq.png' |
| 20:22.54 | mallum | pb_: I fixed the background this time I think ... |
| 20:23.08 | mallum | pb_: the prop is now set on the dock |
| 20:23.25 | mallum | pb_: the color prop, not the root and I hadn't updated the call() |
| 20:25.51 | florian_ | mallum: i didn't find time to update is yesterday, i could upload the recent package that fixes some other things - but it still has this strange behaviour |
| 20:31.44 | mallum | florian_: okey whatsevers easiest for you |
| 20:32.09 | mallum | florian_: want me to edit the .desktop files and mail you editeded ones over ? |
| 20:34.12 | florian_ | mallum: this is done, i just have to create the package |
| 20:34.29 | mallum | florian_: oh cool |
| 20:40.15 | florian_ | mallum: if you like you could try this: http://www.home.unix-ag.org/boor/files/gpe-conf2_0.0.7-4_arm.ipk |
| 20:40.57 | mallum | florian_: okey, installing now |
| 20:51.19 | florian_ | mallum: i hope this was the correct one... |
| 20:51.23 | mallum | florian_: ah yes much better :-) |
| 20:52.03 | mallum | florian_: the matchbox theme changer should work much better now ( I fixed mbcontrol return code ) |
| 20:52.29 | florian_ | mallum: and i hacked a workaround :-)) |
| 20:52.55 | mallum | florian_: ah :-) |
| 20:53.20 | florian_ | mallum: what about screen setup, especially backlight brightness? |
| 20:54.11 | mallum | florian_: yeah I dont know whats going on there.... |
| 20:54.56 | mallum | florian_: it works when you launch it from the menu right, but not the desktop ? |
| 20:57.46 | florian_ | mallum: yes, that's it |
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| 21:04.39 | mallum | florian_: thats really wierd, they both use the same code to launch more or less |
| 21:07.04 | florian_ | mallum: yes, very very strange... i'll look at the recent changes i made, but i have no real idea what i'm searching for... |
| 21:09.59 | mallum | florian_: it could be connected to startup-notify ... have you tried removing startupnotify=true from the .desktop ? |
| 21:10.11 | mallum | new matchbox-panel-hacks uplaoded |
| 21:11.39 | pb_ | mallum: I checked in the latest (and hopefully working) teleport code |
| 21:12.30 | cmarqu | /usr/bin/gpe-conf: relocation error: /usr/bin/gpe-conf: undefined symbol: gtk_text_new |
| 21:12.40 | cmarqu | :/ |
| 21:12.43 | pb_ | cmarqu: :-/ |
| 21:13.16 | pb_ | in case of last resort, add http://handhelds.org/~pb/libgtkcruft.so.0 to LD_PRELOAD and it will probably run. |
| 21:13.35 | cmarqu | Well, gpe-ownerinfo2 is not there anyway... |
| 21:14.05 | pb_ | Ah. |
| 21:14.32 | cmarqu | Ah. I can see why someone would not like lightd. |
| 21:14.36 | florian_ | cmarqu: yes, this one needs -D GTK_ENABLE_BROKEN, this will be the next to fix :-/ |
| 21:14.59 | cmarqu | florian_: Maybe there is an easy fix? |
| 21:15.30 | pb_ | cmarqu: converting GtkText -> GtkTextView is normally not too hard. |
| 21:16.05 | cmarqu | All this should maybe be rewritten anyway, with xsettings. |
| 21:16.49 | pb_ | Yes, I think a lot of it could be done that way. |
| 21:17.36 | cmarqu | pb_: BTW, did you get a chance to look into gpe-ownerinfo2's transparency problem? |
| 21:18.50 | florian_ | hmm, yes - i'll look for a for a fast fix first. but it uses gtk-tree too |
| 21:19.17 | pb_ | cmarqu: I did look at a bit and didn't see any easy solution. I'll try to spend some more time on it later in the week. |
| 21:19.49 | cmarqu | pb_: Thanks. |
| 21:20.15 | cmarqu | I'll have to make it use pango after that, so that people can actually write their name correctly. |
| 21:20.25 | pb_ | Ah yes, indeed. |
| 21:21.31 | cmarqu | florian_: gpe-conf (the tree-view wrapper) is not really used anymore I think? |
| 21:21.49 | pb_ | Agreed, yes. |
| 21:22.00 | cmarqu | Other than just as a starter for the plugins |
| 21:22.12 | pb_ | Having the individual applets show up in the launcher seems better to me anyway. |
| 21:22.20 | cmarqu | Yeah. |
| 21:22.44 | florian_ | yes, quite right... should be easy to remove :-) |
| 21:23.26 | pb_ | yay |
| 21:23.48 | cmarqu | lightd should use different rightness levels, then it would be okay to use IMO. |
| 21:24.40 | cmarqu | rightness and world peace, yeah. |
| 21:24.57 | mallum | pb_: gpe-su2 doesn't have a .desktop entry ? |
| 21:25.21 | pb_ | it does in version 0.04. maybe I forgot to upload that. |
| 21:29.15 | cmarqu | florian_: network.c in gpe-conf should maybe check if the user is allowed to apply network settings (if it is possible in a clean way) |
| 21:30.39 | florian_ | cmarqu: yes, i'll keep this in mind... |
| 21:31.50 | cmarqu | florian_: Also, it somehow gets the interface usbf for me, but ifconfig only gives me ppp0 (which is the only interface I'm using) |
| 21:32.12 | pb_ | mallum: gpe-su2 0.04 is uploaded now |
| 21:33.13 | florian_ | cmarqu: what do you have in your /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 21:33.38 | cmarqu | florian_: Oh. Yes, usbf. |
| 21:33.50 | pb_ | florian_: it should check /proc/net/dev to see what devices really exist, and probably query the flags so it only shows ones that are up. |
| 21:34.36 | florian_ | pb_: this would be cool... hu, i need longer days! |
| 21:34.41 | pb_ | heh |
| 21:36.11 | cmarqu | Okay, so I won't get out my HIG hat now... |
| 21:37.49 | florian_ | mallum: i changed the .desktop, no change in behaviour :-( |
| 21:40.26 | cmarqu | florian_: Hate to say it, but the error dialog in that network applet doesn't conform to http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/1.0/windows.html#alert-spacing. But actually, leave that for me to fix, as it;s something I can do with my limited coding skills. |
| 21:42.05 | spung_ | pb_: what are gdk_screen_width/height doing in libgpewidget's screensize.c ? |
| 21:42.32 | pb_ | spung_: just generally hanging out, I think |
| 21:42.42 | spung_ | /usr/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/3.2/../../../../arm-linux/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.a(gdkscreen.o)(.text+0x540): In function `gdk_screen_width': |
| 21:42.46 | spung_ | : multiple definition of `gdk_screen_width' |
| 21:42.48 | spung_ | screensize.o(.text+0x0): first defined here |
| 21:44.01 | cmarqu | ~ # gpe-nmf |
| 21:44.02 | cmarqu | gpe-nmf: error while loading shared libraries: libpopt.so.0: cannot open shared object file: Error 9 |
| 21:44.33 | pb_ | spung_: why are you doing a static link? |
| 21:44.46 | pb_ | cmarqu: yeah, I suck, it needs to depend on libpopt0 |
| 21:47.08 | cmarqu | pb_: pgpe-su2 should maybe say "Enter password for user 'root'", since it would in p[inciple be possible to become another user than root? |
| 21:47.20 | pb_ | cmarqu: good thinking |
| 21:47.35 | mallum | pb_: I need to get this opie shit off my 3600, so I'll tell me when you have you next gpe2 image and I'll give it a test if you want |
| 21:47.48 | florian_ | cmarqu: no problem, but it should be a gpe_error_box, or not? |
| 21:47.52 | pb_ | mallum: I'll probably build another one tomorrow with Nils' new stuff. |
| 21:48.09 | mallum | pb_: cool, I'll uploaded a fixed matchbox too for you |
| 21:48.31 | pb_ | mallum: great |
| 21:48.41 | pb_ | cmarqu: heh |
| 21:48.43 | cmarqu | florian_: Oh, yeah, I guess. |
| 21:49.34 | spung_ | pb_: hmm, i just did a export CC=arm-linux-gcc |
| 21:49.53 | pb_ | spung_: something appears to be rotten in your build environment |
| 21:50.07 | spung_ | pb_: i just installed your packages |
| 21:50.11 | spung_ | :\ |
| 21:50.12 | cmarqu | mallum: The "CPU/Memory monitor" should have a bit brighter colors IMO (FWIW :) |
| 21:50.19 | pb_ | spung_: my packages don't have gtk in. |
| 21:51.23 | mallum | cmarqu: they look plenty bright enough on that scap you sent .... |
| 21:51.48 | cmarqu | mallum: Yeah, but on my iPAQ, they are much darker, I swaer |
| 21:52.01 | spung_ | pb_: but, you say the problem is that gtk is being statically linked |
| 21:52.20 | spung_ | arm-linux-gcc -nostartfiles -shared -o libgpewidget.so.1 gtkdatecombo.o errorbox.o init.o pixmaps.o smallbox.o render.o dirbrowser.o picturebutton.o what.o stylus.o gtkdatesel.o question.o gtksimplemenu.o spacing.o tray.o tap.o screensize.o gpetooltips2.o gpe-iconlist.o -Wl,-soname -Wl,libgpewidget.so.1 `pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0` |
| 21:52.23 | pb_ | spung_: yeah, which probably means you don't have a libgtk.so in place. |
| 21:52.29 | spung_ | pb_: ahh |
| 21:52.48 | spung_ | pb_: good piece of information :) |
| 21:52.55 | spung_ | i can fix that :) |
| 21:53.01 | spung_ | back to work :) |
| 21:53.09 | cmarqu | mallum: One more: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.5186.png -- I had just added the App Launcher button in the lower left corner |
| 21:53.16 | mallum | cmarqu: ok I'll tinker with it later |
| 21:53.48 | mallum | cmarqu: ooh thats a bit worrying |
| 21:54.23 | spung_ | cmarqu: you monopolize scap :) |
| 21:54.44 | cmarqu | spung_: Better me than nobody at all -- or the OPIE guys :) |
| 21:54.49 | mallum | cmarqu: what matchbox version ? |
| 21:54.55 | spung_ | cmarqu: indeed :) |
| 21:56.06 | cmarqu | mallum: the one from the pb5 image. I just installed your new unstable package, but I didn't restart matchbox yet |
| 21:56.49 | cmarqu | Maybe that's it already? |
| 21:57.34 | cmarqu | pb_: Couldn't find user registry /home/colin/.gstreamer/registry.xml or global registry /usr/var/cache/gstreamer-0.5/registry.xml -- is that missing in the postinst, or is it ipkg doing bad things? |
| 21:57.34 | mallum | cmarqu: yeah the new matchbox may fix that |
| 21:57.52 | cmarqu | (meaning, the gst-register) |
| 21:58.53 | cmarqu | mallum: Okay, I'll keep an eye on it |
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| 22:02.02 | spung_ | pb_: i got a copy of the backgrounds' xcf's .. which allows us to add some GPE text and it has versions suitable for the startup splash that say "loading..." and stuff like that, it's 6.6M uncompressed.. should I upload those? |
| 22:09.54 | mallum | cmarqu: what gtkrc are you using with mist ? |
| 22:10.22 | cmarqu | mallum: Whatever the default is. |
| 22:11.07 | cmarqu | spung_: I think this is in CVS already |
| 22:11.46 | spung_ | cmarqu: hmm? i thought i was the only one to have a copy of those xcf's besides the author? |
| 22:11.49 | cmarqu | spung_: gpe/gpe-logo, or do you mean something else? |
| 22:12.02 | spung_ | cmarqu: no, no gpe/eyecandy/backgrounds |
| 22:12.12 | cmarqu | Ah. |
| 22:12.17 | spung_ | or |
| 22:12.20 | spung_ | wallpapers |
| 22:12.38 | cmarqu | Yup. |
| 22:13.01 | spung_ | those have one big drawback IMHO |
| 22:13.21 | spung_ | the transparent rectangle looks weird with icons on top |
| 22:13.22 | spung_ | IMHO |
| 22:13.34 | spung_ | with the xcf's i can take that away ;) |
| 22:15.12 | pb_ | cmarqu: I think it's in the postinst, but it fails to run because libpopt0 isn't installed at the time. |
| 22:15.42 | pb_ | spung_: uh, maybe compress them first. |
| 22:15.57 | spung_ | pb_: 3.8MB sounds ok? |
| 22:16.01 | cmarqu | pb_: Ah, I see. |
| 22:16.10 | pb_ | spung_: mmm, still a bit large. perhaps they don't belong in CVS. |
| 22:16.16 | cmarqu | spung_: bz2? |
| 22:16.32 | spung_ | cmarqu: gzip |
| 22:16.47 | pb_ | spung_: we don't want to make it unduly painful for people to do "cvs co gpe". |
| 22:16.57 | spung_ | pb_: indeed |
| 22:17.42 | spung_ | cmarqu: 3.1Mb bzip2 |
| 22:17.59 | cmarqu | spung_: bz2 might be better, and AFAIK, gimp can still read it without manually unpacking |
| 22:18.05 | florian_ | how about some links on gpe site and wiki? |
| 22:18.16 | pb_ | sounds good to me |
| 22:18.28 | spung_ | yeah |
| 22:18.36 | spung_ | i'll put it one my handhelds.org space |
| 22:18.42 | spung_ | s/one/on |
| 22:19.08 | pb_ | cool |
| 22:20.43 | cmarqu | Hmm, gpe-conf still wants to use qiv to set the wallpaper |
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| 22:23.06 | pb_ | hi flypiper, cpujeff122 |
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| 22:23.45 | flypiper | pb_: hi |
| 22:25.21 | TheMasterMind1 | pb_: i've heard rumors that gpe2 is actually stable and usable... is that allowed? |
| 22:25.30 | pb_ | TheMasterMind1: pay no attention to the rumours |
| 22:25.44 | TheMasterMind1 | ok good |
| 22:26.37 | pigeon | rumor has that pay no attention to rumors |
| 22:26.39 | pigeon | :) |
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| 22:32.51 | florian_ | cmarqu: yes, some things are broken - how is it set now? |
| 22:34.59 | cmarqu | florian_: I I knew that... in theory, with gpe-setbg |
| 22:35.45 | pb_ | cmarqu: what's the situation with http://handhelds.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=561 at the moment? |
| 22:36.27 | cmarqu | pb_: "can't reproduce" -- unless mallum debugs a bit |
| 22:38.29 | cmarqu | I noticed that 'gpe-setbg foo.png' doesn't look for the file ./foo.png but for share/gpe/pixmaps/default/ayo_tux2.png.png |
| 22:38.51 | pb_ | crumbs |
| 22:39.12 | cmarqu | But you can always give the full path. |
| 22:39.24 | cmarqu | Enough for scripts etc. |
| 22:39.28 | pb_ | right. |
| 22:39.46 | florian_ | another point to fix in gpe-conf |
| 22:39.49 | cmarqu | ~ $ gpe-setbg ~/ayo_tux2.png |
| 22:39.50 | cmarqu | gpe-setbg: Setting background to pixmap 02400002. |
| 22:40.09 | cmarqu | And now.. mbdesktop needs to know about it somehow |
| 22:40.39 | cmarqu | Or, no... iisn't transparent, I remember |
| 22:41.14 | pb_ | well, I think it could just watch for property changes in theory, and pick up the pixmap that was set. |
| 22:58.26 | cmarqu | pb_: I just installed gdk-pixbuf2-loader-jpeg to get gpe-gallery show jpeg files, but it still doesn't show me these. |
| 22:58.47 | pb_ | hrm |
| 22:58.50 | cmarqu | /usr/bin/gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders lists jpegs though |
| 22:59.05 | pb_ | how about /etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders, did that get regenerated? |
| 22:59.40 | cmarqu | Oh. No. |
| 23:00.24 | cmarqu | The ipkg output doesn't show any problems. |
| 23:00.32 | pb_ | ah, sucks. guess the postinst is wrong. |
| 23:02.01 | cmarqu | ~ # gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders > /etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders fixed it. |
| 23:02.36 | pb_ | cool |
| 23:03.18 | cmarqu | gpe-gallery is really nice. |
| 23:03.41 | pb_ | Yeah, it is. |
| 23:23.25 | florian_ | gpe-conff compiles without the broken stuff... |
| 23:24.06 | pb_ | florian_: great! |
| 23:24.25 | florian_ | time to sleep a while... |
| 23:25.20 | florian_ | good night... |
| 23:27.46 | pb_ | florian_: night |
| 23:29.07 | cmarqu | Going too. Gotta beat that stupid Xilinx PCI core into submission tomorrow... night all. |
| 23:31.36 | pb_ | cmarqu: heh, sounds nasty. night. |
| 23:57.41 | mallum | Anyone tried this gpe-vlc ? |
