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| 00:16.25 | mallum | scary : http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&query=shuttle+debris&cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2F&ht=1&from=R10&currdisp=2&itemtimedisp=0&st=2&SortProperty=MetaNewSort&SortOrder=d&BasicSearch= |
| 01:01.40 | mallum | pb_: Have you updated teleport at all ? |
| 01:02.04 | pb_ | mallum: not in the last week or so I don't think |
| 01:02.27 | pb_ | looks like the last change was on Jan 11. |
| 01:04.01 | mallum | pb_: did you turn it into a toolbar window ? |
| 01:04.16 | mallum | ( gpe cvs is all messed up for me at the mo /usr/cvs problem... ) |
| 01:04.27 | pb_ | I don't remember. |
| 01:05.31 | pb_ | Looks like it, judging from the code. |
| 01:06.23 | mallum | Cool :-) |
| 01:06.43 | mallum | pb_: will be nice to demo at fosdem eh ? |
| 01:07.27 | pb_ | Yeah, I guess so. |
| 01:08.44 | pb_ | I ought to try and make up some kind of authentication for it, I suppose. |
| 01:14.31 | mallum | pb_: a proxy hack like what ssh -X does would be pretty easy I think |
| 01:16.26 | mallum | pb_: if I get a chance I'll produce a simple hack next week to do it |
| 01:17.14 | pb_ | right, cool. |
| 01:18.45 | mallum | I think its possible, all SSH does is increase the DISPLAY var to point to its own proxy port, which forwards packets to real X11 as if from local host |
| 01:19.04 | pb_ | indeed. |
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| 01:20.14 | mallum | pb_: I dont know how long a client will wait though before it disconnects ( on waiting for the user to allow a connection ) |
| 01:21.13 | pb_ | Dunno. It hadn't actually occurred to me that there would be any timeout at all there. |
| 01:22.09 | mallum | pb_: yeah Im not sure, proxy would accept the connection but not allow any data to pass until the user had OK'd it |
| 01:23.03 | pb_ | Yeah. Well, just have to suck it and see I suppose. |
| 01:23.23 | pb_ | If there is a timeout, I doubt it's set particularly aggressively. |
| 01:23.56 | mallum | pb_: yeah, suck it and see is what I thought |
| 01:30.02 | mallum | okey bedtime for me |
| 01:30.05 | mallum | g'night all |
| 05:11.38 | flypiper | ibot: message for pb_ I finally got my winder to compile 2.4.19 for 3600 but when it boots.. she hangs on POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX... gonna grab the h3600 config from CVS and try the latest... THANKS FOR YOUR HELP !!:) |
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| 11:26.54 | PaxAnima | morning |
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| 11:47.41 | dc_ | morning :D |
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| 12:23.05 | mallum | hey |
| 12:23.13 | dc_ | morning mallum |
| 12:23.36 | mallum | hey dc_ |
| 12:23.44 | mallum | dc_: your dock apps still crashing ? |
| 12:24.04 | dc_ | well, I havn't downgraded yet. |
| 12:24.20 | dc_ | I'm more worried about me airport card not having being sent yet. |
| 12:24.26 | mallum | dc_: :( |
| 12:24.34 | mallum | dc_: have you contacted apple ? |
| 12:24.45 | dc_ | I guess I should call them tomorrow |
| 12:25.02 | mallum | dc_: well dont worry too much, I'll bring a screwdriver and a spare wavelan card |
| 12:25.16 | dc_ | good'o |
| 12:25.38 | mallum | dc_: also I have a bluetooth usb dongle we could plug into your laptop and just run networking over that to another wlan & bt connected laptop |
| 12:26.02 | dc_ | hehe |
| 12:26.07 | dc_ | mallum: that's a cute idea |
| 12:26.45 | mallum | dc_: yeah or a cross over network cable maybe more simple ( and faster ;-) ) |
| 12:27.32 | dc_ | :] |
| 12:28.41 | mallum | dc_: also I branched CVS, so you can play with the stuff that wasn't in CVS previously ( but only if your really really brave ) |
| 12:28.49 | mallum | dc_: there is now an UNSTABLE branch |
| 12:28.57 | dc_ | cool'o |
| 12:29.00 | mallum | dc_: but UNSTABLE really does mean UNSTABLE |
| 12:29.12 | dc_ | maybe if I have time later this afternoon |
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| 12:29.26 | dc_ | I need to finish my english coursework today :\ |
| 12:29.28 | dc_ | morning pb_ |
| 12:29.32 | mallum | dc_: yeah I dont know if it will even compile ;-) |
| 12:29.59 | pb_ | yo dc_ |
| 12:30.03 | pb_ | hell, more coursework? |
| 12:30.15 | dc_ | yes. |
| 12:30.19 | dc_ | 7 page essay |
| 12:30.23 | dc_ | lots of fun. |
| 12:30.26 | dc_ | :| |
| 12:30.31 | pb_ | joy |
| 12:35.08 | mallum | dc_: doh |
| 12:36.27 | PaxAnima | hi |
| 12:37.35 | mallum | pb_: I have a single connection, no gui, proxy thing I spoke of working :-) |
| 12:37.39 | pb_ | mallum: ah cool. |
| 12:37.50 | pb_ | mallum: this morning I was thinking some more about the authentication issues for teleport. |
| 12:38.16 | mallum | pb_: cool, such as ? |
| 12:39.01 | pb_ | well, it still seems kind of tricky. The best I have come up with is a DSA-based challenge/response scheme, but it's going to be a bit of a pain to implement. |
| 12:40.24 | mallum | pb_: I would be tempted to say maybe wait for the freedesktop.org message bus to mature a little more and hopefully do it over that |
| 12:40.59 | pb_ | yeah, I was thinking about that. It's a possibility, but I would rather not rely on it. |
| 12:41.36 | mallum | pb_: are you thinking about encrypting all traffic right - like ssh does ? |
| 12:41.48 | pb_ | mallum: no encryption, just authentication |
| 12:42.27 | pb_ | encryption is a different problem, and one that probably ought to be addressed at the core X level. |
| 12:43.08 | pb_ | (just running all X connections over TLS would be the obvious thing to do there) |
| 12:43.09 | mallum | pb_: yeah |
| 12:43.53 | mallum | pb_: I just thinking authenticating by asking the user of the display he wanted to accept a connection. Nothing more complex than that :( |
| 12:44.55 | pb_ | mallum: that's not really authentication, just display authorisation. What I mean by authentication is the migrated application checking that the request was generated by its owner, not by some random malefactor. |
| 12:45.16 | pb_ | otherwise, anybody who can connect to my display can steal my windows, which is not really an acceptable state of affairs. |
| 12:45.53 | mallum | pb_: oh right, yeah sure makes sense |
| 12:46.58 | mallum | pb_: maybe worth checking the fdmb mailist list then, there were a lot of discussions regarding that sort of thing |
| 12:47.32 | pb_ | mallum: the authorisation stuff you have been looking at is certainly useful too from an ease of use point of view, but I think more security would be needed before I was really comfortable with the idea of shipping apps thad had migration enabled. |
| 12:47.40 | pb_ | mallum: ok, good idea. |
| 12:49.05 | mallum | pb_: Is it possible to enable migration on them though with out recompiling ? |
| 12:49.21 | pb_ | mallum: not really |
| 12:50.02 | dc_ | mallum: I hope you have some wireless window migration setup to show off at fosdem :) |
| 12:50.22 | mallum | dc_: yeah so was I .... |
| 12:51.20 | dc_ | :) |
| 12:51.21 | pb_ | dc_: the current migration code does work, it's just not secure. |
| 12:51.44 | dc_ | people won't have to know that at fosdem :] |
| 12:52.40 | mallum | pb_: can you not make some packages with it enabled and not put them in a feed , just for demo purposes ? |
| 12:53.20 | pb_ | mallum: right at the moment the gpe binaries in unstable have it enabled anyway. |
| 12:54.02 | mallum | pb_: Cool, ok |
| 12:54.41 | mallum | pb_: I dont think the ipaq is very secure anyway :( |
| 12:54.56 | pb_ | For demo purposes I will probably make it so that you have to export GPE_ENABLE_DISPLAY_CHANGE=1 or something to turn it on. |
| 12:55.17 | mallum | pb_: yeah that makes sense |
| 12:55.18 | pb_ | or, well, who knows, we might even have a working authentication scheme by the end of the week. |
| 12:55.40 | pb_ | mallum: which bits of the ipaq are insecure? |
| 12:56.12 | mallum | pb_: well the defualt root password initially springs to mind |
| 12:57.04 | pb_ | well, yeah, I was kind of assuming people would be smart enough to change that. I guess familiar probably ought to try a bit harder to get you to do so though. |
| 12:57.50 | mallum | pb_: yeah |
| 12:58.29 | mallum | pb_: I've always wondered why the install process dont prompt you for a root password |
| 12:58.54 | pb_ | There's no convenient way to do that, really. |
| 12:59.04 | pb_ | Not everybody has a serial line available during install, for one thing. |
| 12:59.20 | mallum | pb_: could gpe-login not advise you to do it the first time it was launched ? |
| 12:59.46 | pb_ | It could, yes, and I guess the Opie equivalent could do the same. |
| 12:59.55 | PaxAnima | people who has the ipaq exposed to the net directly should be smart enough to change the password? I, for instance, still have "rootme" as password, 'cause it's never directly on the net, just through the usb-cradle |
| 13:01.00 | pb_ | Lots of people put wifi cards in their ipaqs without necessarily thinking through all the implications of that. |
| 13:01.13 | PaxAnima | maybe |
| 13:01.51 | pb_ | Remember that one of the idea of Familiar, and even more so OE, is that you don't have to be 1337 unix h4x0r to use it. It's meant to be accessible to the kinds of people who use pocketpc and Embedix. |
| 13:01.52 | mallum | oh yeah cos root ssh is enabled as well ... |
| 13:02.18 | mallum | right Im going to camden to throw stones at crustys |
| 13:02.22 | mallum | bbl |
| 13:03.10 | PaxAnima | pb_: are there any x-compiler packages thare aren't .debs? |
| 13:03.28 | pb_ | don't really understand what you mean. |
| 13:03.31 | pb_ | are you asking for rpms? |
| 13:03.59 | pb_ | there are plenty of toolchains in tarball format on handhelds.org. |
| 13:04.17 | PaxAnima | well, plain tarballs would do.. |
| 13:04.29 | pb_ | ask ibot about toolchain. |
| 13:04.35 | PaxAnima | ibot: toolchain? |
| 13:04.39 | | from memory, toolchain is at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/Toolchains, or http://openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/, or at http://www.csh.rit.edu/~jeffm/pub/cross/arm-linux/ppc/ which can be modified to work with Zaurus cross development |
| 13:04.55 | pb_ | or see Nils' recent post on the mailing list. |
| 13:05.10 | PaxAnima | which one? |
| 13:05.24 | pb_ | the one announcing his cross-compiler. |
| 13:06.44 | PaxAnima | doh ;) |
| 13:07.02 | PaxAnima | found it |
| 13:11.33 | PaxAnima | pb_: the one Nils posted requires a toolchain to start with... is your toolchain on the ftp usable for that purpose? |
| 13:12.20 | pb_ | hm, I thought Nils' one was a complete toolchain. Are you sure about that? |
| 13:12.28 | pb_ | but yes, the pb toolchain on the ftp site should be ok |
| 13:13.07 | PaxAnima | it's not complete... |
| 13:14.52 | PaxAnima | Nils' toolchain unpacks to /skiff/local.. is it safe for me to just copy /skiff/local/* to /usr/local, where your toolchain is? |
| 13:15.34 | pb_ | Probably. The compiler itself isn't relocatable, but the libraries and headers are. |
| 13:16.42 | PaxAnima | and all I do is change gcc to arm-linux-gcc when compiling? |
| 13:17.10 | pb_ | Yes. |
| 13:17.30 | PaxAnima | cool.. |
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| 13:21.43 | PaxAnima | pb_: any environment variales that needs to be set? get the error /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/3.2.1/../../../../arm-linux/bin/ld: cannot open crt1.o: No such file or directory |
| 13:22.50 | pb_ | check for crt1.o in /usr/local/arm-linux/lib |
| 13:24.46 | PaxAnima | no such file.. I have a crtbegin.o and crtend.o in /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux |
| 13:29.01 | cortex | I thought I should try and build some swedish locale packages for my ipaq. Can I just copy the LC_* files from my desktop, or do I have to find myself an ipaqish localegen? |
| 13:29.12 | PaxAnima | pb_: any other toolchains I could try? |
| 13:30.58 | PaxAnima | but it would be nice to have gcc 3.2 |
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| 13:32.43 | PaxAnima | hi again, dc__ |
| 13:36.04 | pb_ | cortex: should be able to copy them from the desktop. |
| 13:36.18 | pb_ | PaxAnima: try the monmotha one perhaps |
| 13:36.29 | pb_ | or copy that file from debian |
| 13:36.56 | PaxAnima | hmm.. monmothas toolchains is 102mb.. |
| 13:37.14 | cortex | Hmmm... my LC_collate is 862kb |
| 13:38.17 | PaxAnima | pb_: you think the crt.o file is the only one missing? |
| 13:38.41 | pb_ | probably |
| 13:39.13 | pb_ | though I guess you might also be short libc and stuff like that. |
| 13:39.55 | PaxAnima | ok.. so your toolchains is just an upgrade over the 2.95 ones? |
| 13:40.13 | pb_ | no, but my toolchain was really only intended for compiling the kernel. |
| 13:40.22 | PaxAnima | ah |
| 13:51.29 | PaxAnima | pb_: monmothas toolchains is 3.1.1 |
| 13:51.44 | pb_ | right |
| 13:52.15 | PaxAnima | I should use 3.2, if I'd go for a gcc 3.x? |
| 13:52.52 | pb_ | yes |
| 13:53.01 | pb_ | ideally 3.2.1. |
| 13:53.13 | PaxAnima | yes.. |
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| 13:56.04 | PaxAnima | hmm.. didn't antiproxy do a toolchain with gccc 3.2.1 and glibc 2.3? |
| 13:56.14 | pb_ | dunno |
| 14:00.09 | PaxAnima | pb_: but your toolchain is missing glibc? could that be fetched from the arm binaries from debian? |
| 14:03.22 | pb_ | yes |
| 14:04.09 | PaxAnima | debs are just tar files? or is it ar? |
| 14:04.15 | pb_ | ar |
| 14:05.12 | PaxAnima | and just copy the files to the directory structure under /usr/local/arm-linux? |
| 14:05.22 | pb_ | yes |
| 14:07.42 | PaxAnima | any other libs I might need? |
| 14:07.53 | pb_ | no idea |
| 14:12.23 | PaxAnima | hmm... it seems like Nils' toolchain also requires X |
| 14:20.40 | PaxAnima | pb_: how do I tell gcc to link with the arm libc, and not /lib/libc? |
| 14:21.24 | pb_ | You don't need to. It will use the arm libc.so automatcally if it exists. |
| 14:22.31 | PaxAnima | what I've done: I downloaded the debs. unpacked it and put all the libs and include file under /usr/loca/arm-linux |
| 14:23.21 | pb_ | You might need to edit libc.so. |
| 14:23.47 | PaxAnima | ah.. |
| 14:24.16 | pb_ | It's possible it includes full pathnames. I don't remember exactly. |
| 14:25.15 | PaxAnima | it did... "Hello world" did compile ;) |
| 14:25.26 | pb_ | cool. |
| 14:25.27 | PaxAnima | not tested it, though |
| 14:26.15 | PaxAnima | pb_: any clues to this one: /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/3.2.1/../../../../arm-linux/lib/libm.so: could not read symbols: Invalid operation |
| 14:26.34 | pb_ | not really. make sure that libm.so is really an ARM binary. |
| 14:27.07 | PaxAnima | this is not good: ldd libm.so |
| 14:27.07 | PaxAnima | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:27.07 | PaxAnima | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:33.21 | PaxAnima | pb_: think I better give up, then |
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| 16:29.13 | cpujeff122 | mornin' all |
| 16:29.17 | PaxAnima | morning |
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| 16:33.03 | BluefoxIcy | is EVERYONE asleep? O_O |
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| 17:35.13 | cpujeff122 | I do think everyone is asleep here :- |
| 17:35.15 | cpujeff122 | :-\ |
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| 18:46.10 | cpujeff122 | heh |
| 18:46.17 | cpujeff122 | though a little slow on the reply |
| 18:50.36 | PaxAnima | i _was_ sleeping, actually ;) |
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| 18:57.03 | mallum | hey |
| 19:00.58 | PaxAnima | hey, mallum |
| 19:04.41 | BM2|Programming | hello all. |
| 19:11.15 | cpujeff122 | hi |
| 19:14.39 | mallum | hello cpujeff122 BM2|Programming |
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| 19:27.50 | pb_ | mallum: I updated libdm in cvs with the start of an authentication scheme. |
| 19:43.31 | cpujeff122 | pb_: when you said to add it to bugzilla, did you mean gpe bugzilla or hh.org bugzilla? |
| 19:43.44 | pb_ | cpujeff122: hh.org bugzilla for xstroke |
| 19:44.20 | cpujeff122 | pl |
| 19:44.20 | cpujeff122 | ok |
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| 19:45.50 | pb_ | hi pigeon |
| 19:48.27 | mallum | pb_: cool |
| 19:49.46 | mallum | pb_: how does it work ? |
| 19:50.05 | pigeon | Hi pb_ mallum |
| 19:50.08 | mallum | hey pigeon |
| 19:51.14 | pb_ | mallum: RSA signatures |
| 19:55.08 | mallum | pb_: how do you use them ? |
| 19:57.06 | pb_ | libdm has a list of keys it trusts. It sets a challenge string on all the windows that are migration-capable and it will only accept a request to migrate if it is accompanied by a signed copy of the challenge. |
| 19:58.42 | mallum | pb_: okey cool. and teleport has some sort of key manager build in ( or you just specify the key on startup ? ) |
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| 19:59.39 | pb_ | I haven't actually done the teleport end of things yet. Normally I would expect you to only have a single signing key, so teleport would just use that one. If you happened to have multiple keys, I guess you would probably select them on the command line. |
| 20:00.50 | mallum | pb_: sounds good |
| 21:22.42 | spung_ | ahh |
| 21:22.45 | spung_ | great news |
| 21:22.46 | spung_ | :) |
| 21:23.05 | spung_ | got xcf's of ayo's backgrounds those could come in handy :) |
| 21:29.47 | PaxAnima | new version of minipredict, based on my "final" code |
| 21:29.53 | PaxAnima | is in the unstable feed |
| 21:30.07 | PaxAnima | "final" as in: not fixed the xstroke problem yet |
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| 21:48.07 | jsmanrique | night |
| 21:49.54 | mallum | g'night |
| 21:50.23 | jsmanrique | just a minute hear to salute everybody :-) |
| 21:50.32 | jsmanrique | just a minute here to salute everybody :-) |
| 21:52.14 | spung_ | hola :) |
| 21:52.42 | cpujeff122|hw | hi |
| 21:54.58 | jsmanrique | spung_: hola |
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| 21:55.10 | jsmanrique | :-) |
| 21:55.51 | jsmanrique | I have an exam tomorrow, and on wednesday and next week .. and next one... I hate February :-) |
| 21:56.22 | spung_ | jsmanrique: me too :( boa sorte :) |
| 21:56.37 | jsmanrique | :) |
| 22:09.39 | jsmanrique | I hope having time this week to upgrade my h3800 |
| 22:10.26 | jsmanrique | mallum: are those scaps from you? (the ones showing video) |
| 22:12.49 | jsmanrique | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.32426.png |
| 22:13.18 | mallum | jsmanrique: nope, not mine |
| 22:13.52 | jsmanrique | mallum: I thought you were working in xine-lib or similar |
| 22:13.58 | jsmanrique | what about gstreamer? |
| 22:14.39 | mallum | jsmanrique: I dont know, why dont you try them ? |
| 22:14.50 | jsmanrique | http://www.gstreamer.net/ |
| 22:15.03 | jsmanrique | mallum: maybe ;-) |
| 22:15.35 | mallum | jsmanrique: how are the icons coming along ? |
| 22:16.09 | jsmanrique | mallum: time |
| 22:16.48 | jsmanrique | mallum: I have to see the icons in pixmap directory a search for monochrome ones |
| 22:18.21 | jsmanrique | mallum: but I am not sure that this is the solution |
| 22:19.47 | mallum | jsmanrique: how we you know till you try ? |
| 22:21.51 | jsmanrique | mallum: ok, ok |
| 22:25.18 | jsmanrique | mallum: what should be icon size? 48x48 ? |
| 22:27.02 | mallum | 32x32 I think most things use now |
| 22:28.21 | jsmanrique | ok |
| 22:30.30 | jsmanrique | http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/gnome-themes/2.1/ |
| 22:31.18 | jsmanrique | where could I donwload gpe icons from? |
| 22:32.14 | spung_ | jsmanrique: CVS? |
| 22:38.06 | jsmanrique | those gnome themes have nice icons, but 48x48 |
| 22:38.22 | jsmanrique | anyway |
| 22:38.26 | jsmanrique | let's try |
| 22:48.16 | jsmanrique | what about the monochrome icons in the cvs? |
| 22:49.16 | jsmanrique | http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/gpe/base/gpe-icons/default-monochrome/ |
| 22:49.24 | jsmanrique | ¿? |
| 22:50.54 | jsmanrique | it seems that dctanner has made some b/w icons |
| 22:54.33 | jsmanrique | ok |
| 22:54.44 | jsmanrique | time to sleep for tomorrow exam |
| 22:54.47 | jsmanrique | see you |
| 22:54.49 | jsmanrique | bye |
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| 23:20.20 | mallum | pb_: hey |
| 23:20.25 | pb_ | hi mallum |
| 23:20.33 | mallum | pb_: I've been playing with XInput and xmonobut |
| 23:20.37 | *** join/#gpe cortex (~cortex@h107n2fls32o962.telia.com) |
| 23:20.45 | pb_ | cool |
| 23:21.11 | mallum | pb_: Im now confused to weather it is XInput blocking remapping |
| 23:24.57 | mallum | pb_: I need to rebuild gtk2.2 with out XInput support on my laptop and double check it |
| 23:25.06 | pb_ | right |
| 23:27.03 | mallum | pb_: xmonobut definetly works ok on the ipaq with gtk2 right - Im not imagining it ( the only gtk app I know of that needs a right click is dillo ) |
| 23:31.30 | cortex | I've created and installed an sv_SE locale package, how do I set it as default in GPE? (the configuration programs wont start after latest upgrade, but I don't remember seeing any locale settings there anyway) |
| 23:31.58 | pb_ | cortex: you need to set LANG=sv_SE in the environment, probably in /etc/profile is best |
| 23:32.14 | pb_ | mallum: try right clicking in e.g. gpe-edit |
| 23:33.44 | mallum | pb_: okey, gpe-edit has a right click menu ? |
| 23:33.47 | pb_ | yeah |
| 23:33.52 | pb_ | any GtkTextView does |
| 23:34.07 | mallum | pb_: okey |
| 23:34.22 | pb_ | be careful though as libgpewidget will convert long left-button clicks into right clicks, which may confuse the issue. |
| 23:34.30 | mallum | pb_: okey |
| 23:35.12 | mallum | pb_: its not much of a biug issue on the ipaq cos we dont really have any need for XInput anyway, but its a real pain on my mac especially with things like galeon 2 |
| 23:35.42 | pb_ | indeed |
| 23:36.12 | mallum | pb_: unless people start running the gimp on the ipaq with a tablet attached ;-) |
| 23:38.11 | mallum | pb_: are you using the kernel key mouse emulation or an external mouse with your ibook ? |
| 23:38.34 | pb_ | mallum: the kernel emulation at the moment |
| 23:38.56 | pb_ | but I will probably get an external mouse for it before too long. |
| 23:39.00 | mallum | pb_: how do you find it, I've never tried it |
| 23:39.19 | mallum | pb_: I guess I'll probably switch to that if I cant figure out this XInput stuff |
| 23:39.51 | pb_ | yeah, it seems to do the job. |
| 23:40.54 | cortex | gpe-calendar doesn't show wekday names with umlauts correctly (i.e. chars after the umlaut are stripped), I created an ISO-8859-1 locale for it, should I have used UTF-8? |
| 23:41.15 | pb_ | cortex: yes, gpe2 is almost entirely utf8 based nowadays. |
| 23:42.08 | cortex | On my desktop, the UTF-8 LC_COLLATE file is 862 kb, and the ISO-8859-1 is 22kb |
| 23:42.17 | pb_ | ah. |
| 23:42.30 | cortex | And the no_NO locale package I based it on was in ISO-8859-1 |
| 23:42.43 | mallum | pb_: yeah works fine on the ipaq |
| 23:43.07 | pb_ | cortex: does the no_NO one work? |
| 23:43.31 | mallum | pb_: oh yeah dell have there pda's out now in the UK - approx 270 ( with VAT ) quid for the xscale one |
| 23:43.32 | cortex | i'll try |
| 23:46.03 | cortex | nope, same problem |
| 23:47.27 | cortex | date in console works though |
| 23:51.49 | cortex | I replaced LC_TIME in sv_SE with an UTF-8 version, and now in works in gpe-calendar, but in terminal it displays sön instead of sön (if this works with your locale =) ) |
| 23:52.06 | pb_ | Yeah, you are probably using an ISO8859-1 terminal for your console. |
| 23:52.11 | pb_ | Familiar doesn't have a utf-8 terminal yet. |
| 23:52.46 | cortex | but it is the same when I use ssh from my UTF-8-osly desktop |
| 23:52.56 | cortex | s/osly/only |
| 23:53.56 | pb_ | well, that's strange. |
