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| 00:06.57 | pb_ | hi jg |
| 00:09.10 | jg | pb_: hi. |
| 00:28.24 | pb_ | mallum: it looks like bluez-sdp 1.0 might be released soon, and with a bit of luck the gpe-bluetooth dependency issues can be resolved then. |
| 00:28.44 | mallum | pb_: cool |
| 00:31.54 | pb_ | btw, I uploaded a gpe-su2, though I have no idea if it works. |
| 00:43.08 | mallum | cool, will try in the morning |
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| 00:46.20 | dc_ | :] |
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| 00:47.28 | pb_ | dc_: evening |
| 00:47.35 | dc_ | pb_: morning.. |
| 00:47.40 | pb_ | dc_: quite so. |
| 00:47.58 | pb_ | ah, due tomorrow? |
| 00:48.14 | dc_ | indeed. |
| 00:48.19 | mallum | dc_: ;-) |
| 00:48.26 | moray | hi people |
| 00:48.30 | pb_ | hi moray |
| 00:48.33 | moray | quite a lot of snow (for cambridge) |
| 00:48.37 | dc_ | do we know how to draw bezier curves in the gimp mallum? |
| 00:48.43 | dc_ | moray: here too :} |
| 00:49.02 | moray | dc_: hm, the GIMP isn't really a drawing program in my experience :/ |
| 00:49.04 | mallum | dc_: use sodipodi |
| 00:49.13 | mallum | dc_: the gimp is for girls ;-) |
| 00:49.31 | dc_ | but I don't want sodipodi |
| 00:50.16 | dc_ | you can select beziers with the gimp...just not draw them. |
| 00:50.18 | dc_ | how sad... |
| 00:50.22 | dc_ | it makes me sad. |
| 00:50.35 | dc_ | just not acceptible |
| 00:50.35 | moray | ahhhh... |
| 00:51.07 | pb_ | moray: ah, I see it's still snowing now in fact. |
| 00:51.28 | moray | indeed, it started by the time I was walking back |
| 00:51.44 | dc_ | pigeon: ! |
| 00:51.46 | moray | pb_: was most recently sitting in someone Caian's room above Gardie's |
| 00:51.51 | pigeon | dc_: :P |
| 00:51.59 | pb_ | moray: aha. |
| 00:52.30 | dc_ | pigeon: look what you've done now. |
| 00:52.38 | dc_ | the channel is on fire :| |
| 00:52.42 | pigeon | Doh! |
| 00:52.52 | pigeon | #gpe-on-fire |
| 00:53.54 | dc_ | good. |
| 00:54.08 | dc_ | now! |
| 00:54.17 | dc_ | I need to draw my bezier curve |
| 00:54.20 | moray | hm, at least the snow has melted out of my hair now |
| 00:54.50 | dc_ | :} |
| 01:02.27 | dc_ | they're being mean to me on #gimp now that I said I've never used the path tool :| |
| 01:02.40 | moray | ha |
| 01:03.17 | dc_ | what.. |
| 01:03.19 | dc_ | now they lie... |
| 01:03.24 | dc_ | there is no path tool in 1.2 :{ |
| 01:04.08 | pb_ | heh. |
| 01:14.58 | pb_ | sigh |
| 01:15.16 | dc_ | :\ |
| 01:15.23 | pb_ | (in both a literal and figurative sense) |
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| 01:18.44 | dc_ | hehe |
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| 04:22.30 | dc__ | how fun |
| 04:22.39 | dc__ | I've finished my maths coursework :\ |
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| 07:55.19 | florian | hi all! |
| 07:58.52 | PaxAnima | hi, florian |
| 07:58.55 | PaxAnima | morning, all |
| 08:04.59 | florian | Did anyone build this wlan-ng prism driver for 2.4.19? |
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| 09:22.13 | sjw | does gpe still fit onto a 16Mb iPAQ with gtk2? |
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| 10:23.30 | moray | sjw: yes |
| 10:26.34 | sjw | thanks |
| 10:29.43 | PaxAnima | hey, pb_, moray |
| 10:30.16 | PaxAnima | pb_: when charging the ipaq during the learning cycle, do I have to charge it we |
| 10:30.18 | pb_ | hi |
| 10:30.28 | PaxAnima | while in linux or can I use the adaptor? |
| 10:30.54 | pb_ | It has to be in Linux, and probably awake. |
| 10:31.04 | pb_ | Not sure what you mean by "use the adaptor". |
| 10:31.57 | PaxAnima | was thinking of charging in the cradle while in linux v.s. charging directly with the little thingy for the 38xx |
| 10:32.33 | pb_ | Can you not use the adaptor in Linux? |
| 10:33.15 | PaxAnima | of course.... forget all I said.. too early in the morning for me... |
| 10:33.26 | pb_ | ok :-) |
| 10:34.02 | pb_ | just remember, once it starts charging, do not suspend the unit or disconnect the power until it is fully charged. |
| 10:34.37 | PaxAnima | ok |
| 10:35.26 | PaxAnima | pb_: any ideas to the focus problems with minipredict and xstroke that mccarthy discovered? |
| 10:36.52 | pb_ | don't think I heard about that problem |
| 10:38.13 | PaxAnima | the problem is that sometimes, minipredict doesn't capture events from xstroke, and those events are never received by the window in focus, but xkbd works fine |
| 10:40.49 | pb_ | so, you're saying that with minipredict running, some events from xstroke are just lost altogether? |
| 10:40.51 | PaxAnima | this occurs when the windows is opened _after_ minipredict is launched... I thought the problem might be the recursive XSelectInput function, but as xkbd works, that's not the fault |
| 10:40.58 | PaxAnima | yes |
| 10:42.40 | pb_ | strange. |
| 10:44.25 | PaxAnima | indeed |
| 10:44.33 | pb_ | well, that sounds more like a mallum/jg kind of issue. |
| 10:44.57 | PaxAnima | yup... I'll grab hold of mallum later |
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| 11:06.36 | pb_ | hi mallum |
| 11:09.44 | mallum | hey pb_ |
| 11:09.52 | mallum | at work today, or too much snow ? |
| 11:10.08 | pb_ | yeah, at work |
| 11:10.44 | pb_ | there's still a bit of snow around, but it wasn't too hard to get into town this morning. |
| 11:25.26 | mallum | cool, I think London is pretty much f**ked |
| 11:28.01 | pb_ | yeah, certainly sounds that way |
| 11:28.37 | pb_ | some areas round here are bad as well - the A14 westbound (towards the M11) was at a standstill when I went past this morning, and it looked like it had been that way for some time. |
| 11:29.05 | pb_ | many vehicles abandoned on the hard shoulder, people walking around in the carriageway, etc. |
| 11:37.55 | mallum | doh |
| 11:44.33 | PaxAnima | mallum: any ideas on the xstroke problem with minipredict that mccarthy talked about yesterday? it seems to occur if the app is launched after minipredict, but xbkd works |
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| 12:03.07 | mallum | PaxAnima: I dont know I havn't looked at xstroke for ages, maybe contact its author ( cworth ) - iots rumoured he's gonna start working on it again |
| 12:04.35 | PaxAnima | ok |
| 12:06.25 | PaxAnima | it could be code, as it's my first code with Xlib stuff... |
| 12:06.31 | mallum | PaxAnima: you could look at the xstroke src to check it specifically asks the wm not to get keyboard focus |
| 12:06.38 | PaxAnima | but xkbd works, so it's a bit weird |
| 12:07.15 | mallum | PaxAnima: check the source for xkbd src/xkbd.c , you'll see where it hints to the wm not to get keyboard focus. then check xstroke does similar |
| 12:08.11 | PaxAnima | but if minipredict is starter after the app, it works fine.. |
| 12:08.15 | mallum | PaxAnima: alternatively check where minipredict is sending keyboard events |
| 12:08.31 | mallum | PaxAnima: add a keyevent to the xstroke event loop and see if its getting them |
| 12:09.10 | PaxAnima | hmm |
| 12:09.28 | mallum | PaxAnima: how does minipredict deal with new clients launched after it ? |
| 12:09.43 | mallum | PaxAnima: does it check they actually want keyboard focus ? |
| 12:11.25 | PaxAnima | hmm.. it doens't deal with that (and why should it?) |
| 12:11.31 | sjw | I have never coded a gpe app before, but I would like to do so next week in my 3 free days... can anyone give me a short overview of what I need? For development I thought I'd take the gpe CVS, the debian libraries, the arm toolchain... anything else? |
| 12:12.29 | mallum | sjw: if your cross compiling maybe grab nil's is gtk2.2 x-compiled libs, or just grab them from debian arm |
| 12:13.04 | mallum | PaxAnima: well you dont want to send keyevents to clients that dont want it right |
| 12:13.37 | mallum | PaxAnima: If I were you Id grab the xstroke source so you can figure out exactly whats going on there |
| 12:13.44 | sjw | mallum: so, the things that I mentioned above, together with nil's gtk2.2 libs will be enough? |
| 12:13.56 | sjw | mallum: will I be able to compile both on my machine and to upload it to the iPAQ? |
| 12:14.02 | PaxAnima | when I gets the KeyPress evnets, it stores what window is receiving the KeyPress, and use that later for sending the KeyPress |
| 12:17.13 | mallum | sjw: yep |
| 12:17.38 | mallum | sjw: if your running debian, pb_ made some pretty damn cool packages for x-compiling |
| 12:17.58 | sjw | mallum: thank you very much... I mailed nils a few days ago, but I guess he is busy |
| 12:18.21 | sjw | mallum: really? where is philip's homepage? |
| 12:18.25 | mallum | PaxAnima: yeah I suspect you are sending keypress events to the xstroke window then |
| 12:19.09 | mallum | sjw: see http://handhelds.org/~pb/deb-toolchain.html |
| 12:19.18 | PaxAnima | mallum: well, that's not the problem really, the problem is that it isn't cathing any events from xstroke either... the window in focus doesn't receive any input from xstroke at all |
| 12:19.27 | sjw | mallum: thanks...I will check it out! |
| 12:19.51 | PaxAnima | mallum: just grabbed the xstroke source.. will look at in the afternoon |
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| 12:20.05 | g | anyone here got gsmlib working with familiar on ipaq ? |
| 12:21.13 | g | using duel pcmcia sleeve ? |
| 12:21.17 | mallum | g: not sure, have you tried it ? |
| 12:23.55 | g | I'm having problems getting familiar to see it ... |
| 12:24.39 | g | I'm follwing http://www.flood-net.de/index.html?/flood/projects/projects.html |
| 12:24.57 | g | I'm a linux newbie :) |
| 12:25.57 | g | need help getting my head around 'mknod /dev/ttyS0 c 4 64' |
| 12:26.38 | g | how does issuing this command make familiar know that ttyS0 is associated with one of the pcmcia slots ? |
| 12:28.57 | mallum | g: maybe mail the author of that page ? |
| 12:29.25 | g | did that al while back. No reply |
| 12:36.01 | mallum | g: what does dmesg say when you plug in the card ? Is it recognised ? |
| 12:58.06 | g | VFS: Disk change detected on device 03:01 |
| 12:58.06 | g | VFS: busy inodes on changed media.. |
| 12:58.25 | g | .. /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 |
| 13:00.28 | g | doesnt look like it recognises it :/ |
| 13:00.36 | g | interesting |
| 13:03.30 | mallum | yeah thats probably your problem |
| 13:03.52 | g | but its a supported product !! |
| 13:07.52 | g | I think Ive found the problem !!! |
| 13:08.20 | g | ttyS0 is the bottom slot on the duel pcmcia sleeve ! |
| 13:08.29 | g | I had my IBM micro drive in there |
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| 13:43.40 | dc_ | :} |
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| 13:43.58 | dc_ | morning mallum, pb_ :) |
| 13:44.01 | florian | hi all |
| 13:44.06 | dc_ | morning florian! |
| 13:47.37 | florian | I updated my libgtk2.0 from unstable feed: postinst says "cannot load loader... " |
| 13:47.44 | dc_ | oh dear. |
| 13:47.50 | florian | Anyone an idea how to fix this? |
| 13:47.50 | dc_ | florian: what loader? |
| 13:48.08 | florian | dc_: png :-( |
| 13:49.28 | dc_ | florian: check you have /etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders |
| 13:50.59 | florian | dc_: it's there, but looks like it has only info about xpm |
| 13:51.30 | dc_ | florian: so try installing gdk-pixbuf2-loader-png |
| 13:51.47 | dc_ | then run gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders > /etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders |
| 13:54.20 | florian | just removed and reinstalled it, calling gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders generates the same error message like postinst |
| 13:55.29 | dc_ | oh dear.. |
| 13:55.35 | dc_ | mine says that aswell :\ |
| 13:55.55 | florian | is it possible that tere is a problem because of different versions in unstable? |
| 13:58.00 | florian | s/tere/there |
| 14:03.52 | dc_ | possible |
| 14:11.46 | florian | urks, same with 2.2.0-0 :-( |
| 14:15.30 | florian | hmm.. downgrades libgtk, same problem... strange! |
| 14:40.24 | florian | bbl |
| 14:40.39 | pb_ | dc_: hey |
| 14:43.30 | florian | pb_: do you know anything about errors running gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders? |
| 14:48.48 | florian | bbl |
| 14:49.14 | sjw | bbl |
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| 14:54.30 | dc_ | :] |
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| 15:02.28 | pb_ | dc_: no school today for you? |
| 15:04.19 | moray | maybe he's 'ill' again? |
| 15:04.26 | moray | or it's cancelled from the snow? |
| 15:04.27 | dc_ | pb_: :) |
| 15:04.34 | dc_ | ill ;) |
| 15:04.37 | moray | ah right |
| 15:04.40 | dc_ | and I didn't get any sleep last night |
| 15:04.47 | dc_ | 3 hours :\ |
| 15:04.48 | moray | dc_: terrible how long it takes to get over these things ;) |
| 15:04.54 | dc_ | moray: :)) |
| 15:06.19 | dc_ | now my coursework has been shipped off... |
| 15:06.26 | dc_ | time to work on that mb theme |
| 15:09.25 | dc_ | hehe that's interesting. |
| 15:09.33 | dc_ | looking at the paml os ui guide. |
| 15:09.41 | dc_ | "Be aware that items such as colors and symbols also need to be localized. For example, red is a warning color in English, but that is not true in all cultures. Avoid colors and symbols that may be offensive in other cultures." |
| 15:09.48 | dc_ | you never really think of that do you... |
| 15:09.51 | dc_ | wel...I dont ::} |
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| 15:41.44 | dc_ | hello dan_t |
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| 16:07.30 | dc_ | mallum: :} |
| 16:14.48 | mallum | hey dc_ |
| 16:15.00 | mallum | any joy with the blue* theme stuff ? |
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| 16:24.39 | dc_ | just compiling mb for testing on my desktop |
| 16:26.23 | dc_ | mallum: I like the ./configure lauout :) |
| 16:27.57 | dan_t | dc_: hello |
| 16:28.15 | dan_t | dc_: what configure are you speaking about ? |
| 16:28.24 | dan_t | dc_: i don't see any configure |
| 16:28.29 | dc_ | dan_t: =P |
| 16:28.35 | dc_ | dan_t: matchbox's |
| 16:28.51 | dan_t | ahh |
| 16:29.00 | dan_t | why gpe has no configure ? |
| 16:29.29 | dc_ | dan_t: stop before you cause yourself too much damage. |
| 16:29.39 | dc_ | dan_t: gpe has ./configure :) |
| 16:30.52 | dan_t | dc_: i don't understand. only some parts of gpe has configure |
| 16:31.17 | dc_ | dan_t: right, gpe-contacts has ./configure as far as I know, the rest just use make. |
| 16:31.28 | dc_ | dan_t: and matchbox also has ./configure |
| 16:32.29 | dan_t | dc_: there is a way to autatically build all gpe ? |
| 16:33.08 | dc_ | no. |
| 16:33.12 | dc_ | not at present |
| 16:33.18 | mallum | dc_: yeah matchbox configure is getting pretty techno now |
| 16:33.28 | dc_ | eeee... |
| 16:33.34 | dc_ | mallum: Xnest has hung. |
| 16:33.47 | dc_ | mallum: and I can't kill it....I started it with the -ac flag. |
| 16:33.52 | dc_ | mallum: am I bad? |
| 16:33.58 | dan_t | dc_: there is plans to add an automated build script ? |
| 16:34.07 | dc_ | dan_t: I'm pretty sure |
| 16:34.14 | dc_ | dan_t: someone mentioned it the other day |
| 16:34.36 | dc_ | I need food, brb... |
| 16:34.51 | dan_t | i go back t study |
| 16:34.53 | dan_t | bye |
| 16:35.17 | mallum | dc_: I always start it with -ac |
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| 17:09.59 | dc_ | mallum: for some reason it just won't die. |
| 17:12.56 | mallum | dc_: use xkill on it |
| 17:13.03 | dc_ | heh. |
| 17:13.06 | dc_ | nevermind.. |
| 17:13.14 | dc_ | I just have to let them go stale |
| 17:13.25 | dc_ | they had dissapeared |
| 17:13.27 | mallum | dc_: what wm you running ? |
| 17:13.32 | dc_ | but were still showing up in ps -ef |
| 17:13.35 | dc_ | mallum: metacity. |
| 17:13.38 | mallum | dc_: or do a killall xnest |
| 17:13.49 | dc_ | tried. |
| 17:13.53 | dc_ | they just won't die :\ |
| 17:15.37 | mallum | killall -9 Xnest ? |
| 17:15.47 | dc_ | what does that do? |
| 17:16.55 | dc_ | aparently my xml file is invalid :\ |
| 17:17.13 | dc_ | what does x define in the layer tags? |
| 17:19.05 | mallum | dc_: did you compile it with expat ? |
| 17:19.23 | dc_ | no... |
| 17:19.24 | dc_ | :\ |
| 17:19.35 | dc_ | is that what theme.xml.in is for? |
| 17:20.09 | mallum | compile it with --enable-expat |
| 17:20.19 | mallum | it with give you more info for xml errors there |
| 17:20.36 | mallum | theme.xml.in is the preprossed theme.xml file |
| 17:20.37 | dc_ | cool |
| 17:20.48 | dc_ | mallum: meaning? |
| 17:20.51 | mallum | its processed by the make , and gets various vars filled in |
| 17:20.57 | mallum | substituted |
| 17:20.59 | dc_ | ah |
| 17:21.09 | mallum | you want to use theme.xml files, not the .in ones |
| 17:21.20 | dc_ | ok |
| 17:23.10 | dc_ | mallum: no more errors. |
| 17:23.14 | dc_ | mallum: just the same |
| 17:25.42 | mallum | run ldd on the matchbox binary to check its linked against expat |
| 17:26.07 | PaxAnima | evening |
| 17:44.32 | mallum | dc_: ? |
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| 18:01.50 | florian | hi all! |
| 18:06.56 | florian | is it possibe to put more than one entry to a .desktop? |
| 18:12.08 | cmarqu | mallum: gpe-setbg handling rotations... Basically, pb_ wrote gpe-setbg. I wouldn't know how to do it. |
| 18:12.11 | cmarqu | Hi all. |
| 18:14.28 | mallum | cmarqu: oh ok, I hassle him them ;-) |
| 18:14.37 | cmarqu | mallum: Thanks :) |
| 18:14.55 | mallum | florian: not really. Matchbox dont parse multiple entrys |
| 18:15.06 | mallum | florian: Im not sure what libdotdesktop does |
| 18:15.25 | florian | mallum: ok, thanks - then gpe-conf will have many :-) |
| 18:21.00 | mallum | florian: that shouldn't be a problem |
| 18:23.19 | florian | mallum: ok, i'll create them this weekend and update the ipk... |
| 18:26.19 | mallum | florian: cool :-) |
| 18:28.45 | florian | bbl |
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| 19:34.10 | dc_ | :] |
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| 19:37.57 | dc_ | evening pb_ |
| 19:38.27 | pb_ | dc_: evening :-) |
| 19:44.30 | mallum | hey |
| 19:45.05 | dc_ | mallum: can you explain what values I have to put inside the layer tag? |
| 19:45.10 | dc_ | mallum: for theme.xml |
| 19:45.29 | dc_ | mallum: as some have x and or y set. |
| 19:46.21 | mallum | dc_: depending what the layer type is IIRC |
| 19:47.09 | dc_ | mallum: so, x and y define position right? |
| 19:47.14 | mallum | dc_: yeah |
| 19:47.44 | dc_ | mallum: and I can just put w and h as 'object'? |
| 19:47.57 | dc_ | mallum: and I can put what I like in my main frame? |
| 19:48.01 | mallum | dc_: yep for an image |
| 19:48.06 | dc_ | okay.. |
| 19:49.47 | mallum | dc_: remember you dont know what width the title frame will be so you can put percentages in x,y params too |
| 19:50.01 | dc_ | mallum: when I suppy -20 for x, it will appear 20 pixels from the right? |
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| 20:03.38 | dc_ | mallum: I can't seems to find what's making my file invalid xml |
| 20:06.51 | pb_ | hmm |
| 20:06.58 | pb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:06.59 | pb_ | suck |
| 20:07.17 | dc_ | that's what's causing the png loader error then? |
| 20:07.40 | pb_ | seems that way. |
| 20:07.49 | pb_ | I'm not sure what suddenly happened to cause it. |
| 20:11.44 | pb_ | ipkg claims that Junichi Uekawa is the libpng12 maintainer, though on closer inspection it would appear mallum actually uploaded the package in question. |
| 20:12.32 | dc_ | oh dear. |
| 20:13.14 | dc_ | pb_: do you know of some sort of xml validator? |
| 20:13.43 | pb_ | dc_: I think one comes with libxml. |
| 20:14.03 | pb_ | you probably have xmllint in garnome also |
| 20:16.31 | dc_ | pb_: what is that supposed to do. |
| 20:16.38 | dc_ | pb_: it just prints the file for me |
| 20:16.54 | pb_ | dc_: yeah, it parses it and then regurgitates the result of the parsing. |
| 20:17.04 | pb_ | so, if the input and output are identical, the input was valid xml. |
| 20:17.08 | dc_ | ah |
| 20:20.27 | dc_ | hopeless. |
| 20:20.54 | pb_ | :-/ |
| 20:20.59 | dc_ | pb_: in theory xmlint will only output the valid xml right? |
| 20:21.03 | pb_ | dc_: I think so, yes. |
| 20:21.09 | pb_ | dc_: what makes you think you have an invalid file? |
| 20:21.19 | dc_ | pb_: matchbox makes me |
| 20:21.29 | pb_ | dc_: using matchbox's own parser, or expat? |
| 20:21.58 | dc_ | Failed to parse theme file: data/themes/bluecurve/theme.xml |
| 20:21.59 | dc_ | Please check this file contains valid XML |
| 20:22.17 | dc_ | pb_: I compiled with --enable-expad after mallum suggested. |
| 20:22.31 | pb_ | wanna send me a copy of the suspect file? |
| 20:22.37 | dc_ | okay |
| 20:23.44 | dc_ | omfg! |
| 20:23.49 | dc_ | pb_: no need. |
| 20:23.53 | pb_ | dc_: :-) |
| 20:23.53 | dc_ | pb_: now I find out why |
| 20:23.58 | pb_ | dc_: what was the problem? |
| 20:24.14 | dc_ | pb_: it needs an aubsolute directory. |
| 20:24.21 | pb_ | ah |
| 20:24.24 | pb_ | suck |
| 20:24.24 | dc_ | mallum: just wait till I see you on friday! |
| 20:24.41 | pb_ | heh |
| 20:30.16 | pb_ | gah, I have all three of libpng2, libpng3 and libpng12 installed on my ipaq now. |
| 20:30.44 | dc_ | :] |
| 20:41.05 | dc_ | yay |
| 21:01.34 | dc_ | pb_: have a look at scap |
| 21:02.13 | pb_ | dc_: ah, looks neat. |
| 21:02.16 | dc_ | pb_: there's something up with the pixmap rendering.. |
| 21:02.21 | dc_ | pb_: :\ |
| 21:02.39 | pb_ | dc_: what in particular? |
| 21:02.42 | dc_ | pb_: it looks like it's making the background b&w |
| 21:03.08 | pb_ | oh, in the titlebar? I assumed that was deliberate :-} |
| 21:03.15 | pb_ | which version of libgpewidget do you have? |
| 21:04.09 | dc_ | god knows. |
| 21:04.14 | dc_ | could that be it? |
| 21:04.18 | pb_ | could well be. |
| 21:04.38 | pb_ | you need 0.44 for window icons to work well. |
| 21:04.48 | dc_ | okay |
| 21:04.50 | dc_ | heh |
| 21:04.53 | dc_ | same on iPAQ :{ |
| 21:05.02 | dc_ | oops. |
| 21:05.05 | dc_ | desktop :\ |
| 21:05.07 | dc_ | hrm |
| 21:05.11 | dc_ | let me upgrade both |
| 21:05.14 | pb_ | ok |
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| 21:08.06 | pb_ | hi florian_ |
| 21:08.16 | florian_ | hi all! |
| 21:08.42 | dc_ | hey florian_ |
| 21:12.13 | florian_ | looks like gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders was the problem, using gdk-pixbuf.loader from nils ipaq works... |
| 21:12.37 | pb_ | florian_: yeah, it seems libpng12 is broken. |
| 21:12.53 | pb_ | <pb_> /usr/lib/libpng12.so.0: error: relocation error: undefined symbol: __div0 (fatal) |
| 21:13.26 | florian_ | urks... |
| 21:13.42 | pb_ | quite. |
| 21:16.59 | florian_ | well, everything seems to work... except the suspend button |
| 21:17.04 | dc_ | :\\ |
| 21:17.30 | pb_ | florian_: which kernel? |
| 21:18.29 | florian_ | pb_: 2.4.19-rmk4-pxa2-hh5 |
| 21:18.55 | pb_ | florian_: and which xserver? |
| 21:19.11 | dc_ | pb_: same problem with version .44 |
| 21:19.15 | pb_ | dc_: ah |
| 21:19.37 | pb_ | dc_: in that case blame may rest with matchbox. |
| 21:19.46 | florian_ | ehh, i think the recent from unstable feed |
| 21:20.02 | pb_ | florian_: does "apm -s" work? |
| 21:20.25 | dc_ | eek |
| 21:20.33 | dc_ | all the mini* things in the new mb segdault |
| 21:20.41 | pb_ | dc_: hell! |
| 21:21.10 | dc_ | the one in unstable that is.. |
| 21:21.21 | pb_ | hmm, it seems to work for me. |
| 21:21.44 | dc_ | #:[ |
| 21:23.27 | florian_ | pb_: yes, think so - i picked "suspend" from menu - this works |
| 21:24.14 | pb_ | florian_: be sure you have version 4.2.20030126-13 of xserver-tiny-h3600 |
| 21:24.22 | pb_ | and that keylaunch is running, obviously |
| 21:24.45 | florian_ | my irc runs on my ipaq... just a second |
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| 21:26.25 | ade|lite | morning peeps |
| 21:26.30 | florian_ | ok, i have 4.2.20030122-12 |
| 21:27.09 | mallum | dc_: :P |
| 21:27.34 | pb_ | florian_: ah, then you lose. if you upgrade to the newer one the button should start working. |
| 21:27.49 | pb_ | hey ade |
| 21:28.22 | ade|lite | lo pb_: exams over .. time to sort my machines ..fun for a friday evening :) |
| 21:28.28 | pb_ | ade|lite: heh, cool. |
| 21:28.29 | mallum | pb_: whats up with libpng12 ? |
| 21:28.44 | pb_ | mallum: it seems to have an undefined reference to __div0. |
| 21:29.21 | pb_ | mallum: it also lists Junichi as the maintainer, which I suspect he may not be too thrilled about if people start filing against it in bugzilla :-} |
| 21:29.26 | mallum | pb_: its just the arm deb repackaged .. |
| 21:30.08 | florian_ | pb_: ok, ill try... |
| 21:30.25 | pb_ | mallum: yeah, the breakage may well exist in debian also. |
| 21:31.38 | mallum | pb_: its be fine for me .. I've never seen that undefined ref before |
| 21:31.50 | pb_ | mallum: does gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders work on your machine? |
| 21:32.06 | mallum | pb_: yeah I think so |
| 21:32.07 | pb_ | in normal use you wouldn't see the bug. |
| 21:32.19 | mallum | pb_: I made that libpng12 ages ago |
| 21:32.38 | mallum | dc_: matchbox should handle relative paths .. |
| 21:33.43 | mallum | dc_: you just pass it 'data/themes/bluecurve/' without the theme.xml |
| 21:33.51 | ade|lite | ssh chloe |
| 21:34.03 | ade|lite | oops |
| 21:35.27 | florian_ | brb |
| 21:35.32 | pb_ | the current libpng12 in debian doesn't seem to have the __div0 problem. |
| 21:36.58 | mallum | pb_: yeah well as I said it was a while ago I packaged it |
| 21:37.09 | pb_ | sure. |
| 21:37.47 | mallum | want me to repackge it ? |
| 21:38.14 | pb_ | might be nice, yeah. this problem is apparently breaking all new installs. |
| 21:39.38 | mallum | http://ftp.debian.org/pool/main/libp/libpng3/libpng12-0_1.2.5-10_arm.deb right ? |
| 21:39.46 | pb_ | yep, I think so. |
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| 21:40.31 | mallum | doh my arm machine has no free space :( |
| 21:40.43 | pb_ | :-/ |
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| 21:41.42 | ade|lite | my advise never ever ever ever buy ibm disks |
| 21:43.40 | cmarqu | pb_: Do you plan to make a new bootgpe2 soon, or should I just go and install the -pb2 version? |
| 21:43.54 | pb_ | cmarqu: I will make one as soon as there is a new libpng12. |
| 21:44.14 | cmarqu | pb_: Which will be when, approx? Days or weeks, or even hours? |
| 21:44.17 | ade|lite | this weekend then ? |
| 21:44.18 | mallum | hmm /var is using 500M |
| 21:44.22 | florian_ | recent libgtk will break some important packages... does someone work on fixing gpe-conf? |
| 21:44.22 | pb_ | cmarqu: hours or minutes I would hope |
| 21:44.28 | cmarqu | pb_: Ah cool. |
| 21:44.30 | pb_ | cmarqu: just waiting for mallum to clear some disk space apparently |
| 21:44.48 | ade|lite | grr disk |
| 21:45.06 | pb_ | florian_: is it just the tree view, or is there more than that? |
| 21:45.34 | pb_ | florian_: I kind of hoped pierre would work on it, but he seems to have lost interest. |
| 21:46.03 | jsmanrique | pierre could be very busy with his classes |
| 21:46.13 | pb_ | jsmanrique: ah, could well be. |
| 21:46.18 | pb_ | ibot, seen pierre? |
| 21:46.19 | | pierre <~pierre@lyon-2-a7-62-147-23-50.dial.proxad.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #gpe, 29d 8m 56s ago, saying: 'happy new year all//'. |
| 21:46.20 | mallum | pb_: whats the command to produce an ipkg from a deb ? |
| 21:46.46 | jsmanrique | mallum: is there a command to do that? |
| 21:47.13 | pb_ | mallum: there's no completely straightforward command. I think I sent you a script to do most of it, but you also need to edit the control file by hand to set yourself as maintainer. |
| 21:47.19 | florian_ | pb_: i`ll take a look... |
| 21:47.29 | mallum | pb_: dpkg-distil ? |
| 21:47.33 | pb_ | mallum: yeah, that was the one. |
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| 21:48.14 | florian_ | huh?! |
| 21:48.25 | pb_ | florian_: ? |
| 21:48.30 | ade|lite | is it purely a ar/tar.gz to tar.gz+change control setup ? |
| 21:49.03 | pb_ | ade|lite: .deb and .ipkg are identical in formatting terms. it basically just strips out documentation, header files, and other stuff you don't want in an ipk. |
| 21:49.20 | ade|lite | sure |
| 21:49.25 | florian_ | pb_: i must have hit a wrong button |
| 21:49.31 | pb_ | ade|lite: I think it also has some code to disrupt some common postinst constructs that don't work on familiar. |
| 21:49.41 | ade|lite | did nelson ever do his x86 familiar ? |
| 21:49.46 | mallum | arg dpkg-distil is not working :( |
| 21:49.51 | pb_ | ade|lite: not that I heard. |
| 21:50.01 | ade|lite | shame |
| 21:50.06 | pb_ | ade|lite: in absence of a workable system for source packages, it would be a nightmare undertaking. |
| 21:50.29 | ade|lite | what is the status of autobuild now ? |
| 21:50.36 | pb_ | still indeterminate. |
| 21:50.50 | ade|lite | double shame |
| 21:51.23 | ade|lite | i think a debian-esk buildd for fam/gpe would be quite useful, arm and others |
| 21:51.43 | ade|lite | and i guess for opie too |
| 21:52.12 | pb_ | I guess there are three main options really. (1) use debian-style source packages and autobuilding; (2) use an oe-style uberbuildroot; (3) try to actually get debian packages to build ipks on the side. |
| 21:52.38 | ade|lite | i vote 1 |
| 21:52.58 | pb_ | none of those three are mutually exclusive, so it would be possible to have say (2) for the core, (3) where possible, and (1) for everything else. |
| 21:53.00 | ade|lite | 3 is too much red tape |
| 21:53.29 | pb_ | possibly, but it seems dumb to duplicate all the packaging effort that goes on in debian. |
| 21:53.37 | ade|lite | 2 for the core, kernel plus busybox |
| 21:53.58 | mallum | pb_: okey new libpng uplaoded |
| 21:54.03 | pb_ | mallum: great. |
| 21:54.12 | ade|lite | indeed, but something src wise needs to be done |
| 21:54.23 | mallum | dc__: are you there ? |
| 21:54.23 | pb_ | jsmanrique: can you try the new libpng12 and see if it fixes your pixbuf problems? |
| 21:54.33 | florian_ | did anyone try to build gpgme for arm? |
| 21:54.41 | pb_ | ade|lite: yes, there will always be a need for familiar-specific packages that aren't in debian. |
| 21:54.52 | jsmanrique | pb_: is it in unstable? |
| 21:55.03 | pb_ | jsmanrique: should be. mallum can give you the URL, I guess. |
| 21:55.37 | jsmanrique | pb_: but my h3600 doesn't connect to internet yet |
| 21:55.51 | pb_ | jsmanrique: ah. well, you can download it on another machine and copy it across. |
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| 21:56.01 | mallum | jsmanrique: the package is libpng12-0_1.2.5-10_arm.ipk |
| 21:56.14 | jsmanrique | pb_: ok, it doesn't depends to anything else |
| 21:56.16 | mallum | pb_: there are a load of things wrong with gpe-setbg btw |
| 21:56.21 | pb_ | jsmanrique: shouldn't do. |
| 21:56.32 | jsmanrique | mallum: and url to download it? |
| 21:56.41 | mallum | jsmanrique: whereever unstable feed is ? |
| 22:00.54 | ade|lite | right now on the autobuild list |
| 22:04.23 | mallum | pb_: I added the bugs to bugzilla |
| 22:04.30 | pb_ | mallum: ok |
| 22:05.02 | mallum | pb_: do you make src tarballs of stable gpe releases ? |
| 22:05.25 | pb_ | mallum: in principle, yes. |
| 22:06.10 | mallum | pb_: cool, where are they ? |
| 22:07.18 | pb_ | well, there are none at present, but the place would be ftp://handhelds.org/pub/projects/gpe/ I suppose. |
| 22:08.27 | mallum | pb_: ok |
| 22:08.51 | mallum | where is dc hiding ? |
| 22:11.23 | jsmanrique | where is postinst for gtk? |
| 22:11.31 | jsmanrique | becuase I am still having problems |
| 22:11.35 | pb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.13 | jsmanrique | pb_: thanks |
| 22:13.16 | mallum | pb_: with all the various buildroots beginning to emerge it may be good in the future to start adding tarballs to that directory if gpe is to be included |
| 22:13.40 | jsmanrique | pb_: is hard to debug this seeing The Two Towers at same time |
| 22:13.43 | jsmanrique | pb_: and yes |
| 22:13.45 | pb_ | jsmanrique: hehe |
| 22:13.47 | jsmanrique | pb_: THIS WORKS |
| 22:13.50 | pb_ | jsmanrique: good-o |
| 22:13.57 | pb_ | jsmanrique: I will build a new bootstrap image shortly in that case. |
| 22:14.25 | jsmanrique | pb_: yes, please |
| 22:14.46 | jsmanrique | pb_: I hope this time I could connect it to internet and do a postinst for fonts :-) |
| 22:17.35 | pb_ | let's hope :-) |
| 22:17.55 | pb_ | ok, new images building now, but it'll probably take an hour or so for them to appear. |
| 22:18.11 | jsmanrique | pb_: if it works my h3850 will be next :-) |
| 22:18.16 | pb_ | cool |
| 22:20.52 | mallum | bbl |
| 22:25.53 | florian_ | bbl |
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| 22:42.00 | florian_ | re |
| 22:45.53 | florian_ | debian xchat seems to be still broken :-( |
| 22:57.11 | ade|lite | which version |
| 22:59.26 | florian_ | recent unstable, 1.8.10 |
| 22:59.41 | ade|lite | arm |
| 23:00.11 | ade|lite | ? |
| 23:01.10 | florian_ | i386 |
| 23:01.29 | ade|lite | works fine fo me |
| 23:01.33 | ade|lite | s/fo/for |
| 23:01.35 | jsmanrique | xchat foripaq? |
| 23:01.39 | jsmanrique | xchat for ipaq? |
| 23:01.46 | florian_ | the ssl version seems to be wrong |
| 23:02.07 | florian_ | nope, just debian i386 |
| 23:02.17 | jsmanrique | ah |
| 23:02.26 | ade|lite | ah , i dont use ssl atm, the socks server does support it |
| 23:02.31 | jsmanrique | I am using it on Woody |
| 23:02.41 | ade|lite | sid non ssl is ok |
| 23:03.17 | ade|lite | is ssl needed for irc or are you paranoid ? |
| 23:03.25 | ade|lite | :) |
| 23:04.07 | florian_ | not really - but how to convince xchat? ;-) |
| 23:04.58 | ade|lite | with biscuits and tea ? |
| 23:06.09 | florian_ | this is a really good idea... ;-) |
| 23:06.59 | ade|lite | lol happy hunting |
| 23:09.54 | florian_ | if some chocolate would fit? |
| 23:12.10 | ade|lite | maybe ..but perhaps not |
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| 23:18.48 | *** topic/#gpe is GPE Palmtop Environment | http://gpe.handhelds.org | list of tasks on the wiki: http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/CurrentThingsToDo | http://europa.debian.org/bugzilla | bootgpe images now in http://handhelds.org/~pb/unstable/ |
| 23:21.16 | florian_ | hey, .desktop files for gpe-conf :-) |
| 23:21.24 | pb_ | yay |
| 23:23.07 | florian_ | i need a link to some recent gpe screenshots - i need to convince a friend to do something more useful... |
| 23:27.42 | pb_ | ah, good idea. |
| 23:35.02 | florian_ | ntpdate time.handhelds.org 2 Feb 14:03:49 ntpdate[967]: Can't adjust the time of day: Invalid argument |
| 23:35.14 | florian_ | yes, i'm root ;-) |
| 23:35.17 | cmarqu | florian_: Add -b |
| 23:35.25 | cmarqu | (IIRC) |
| 23:36.41 | florian_ | ahh works - we need to tell this gpe-conf :-/ |
| 23:48.59 | pb_ | cmarqu: gpe2 images have finished building now, just need to upload them to handhelds.org. |
| 23:49.35 | pb_ | regrettably, my upstream bandwidth is very limited, so it will take a while. |
| 23:51.06 | cmarqu | pb_: Cool. I guess I'll install them tomorrow, feeding them to flash with a serial connection will take too long. Or should I try to get it directly to flash... Hmm. |
| 23:51.39 | pb_ | cmarqu: are you no longer dual booting these days, then? |
| 23:52.16 | cmarqu | pb_: I spent too long trying to get dual-boot to work again with a newer kernel, so I guess I'll just go the easier route. |
| 23:52.34 | pb_ | ah, fair enough. |
| 23:53.08 | cmarqu | Still, I might wish it back, if just for the bigger permanent storage... |
| 23:53.36 | cmarqu | I never really dual-booted anyway, but it was not that slow from CF |
| 23:54.30 | pb_ | Well, if all you care about is the permanent storage, it would be (fairly) easy to keep a really minimal Familiar in the internal flash, and mount the CF as /usr or something. |
| 23:54.45 | pb_ | Or even duplicate the whole system on the CF card and use pivot_root during bootup. |
| 23:54.57 | cmarqu | True. Hmm. |
| 23:54.57 | cmarqu | Ah, pivot_root... |
| 23:55.37 | cmarqu | I didn't really understand the ways of the init scripts etc. when I tried to get a new dual-boot setup, so I guess I'll fail with pivot-root too. |
| 23:58.03 | pb_ | :-/ |
| 23:58.37 | cmarqu | Oh. gpe-setbg bugreports by mallum |
| 23:58.40 | moray | grunk. |
| 23:58.57 | pb_ | moray: ? |
| 23:59.30 | moray | pb_: just got back from a very boring evening in King's Cellars (some music thing people were going to) |
| 23:59.53 | moray | pb_: I should probably have given up and gone home earlier, but hey ;) |
| 23:59.57 | pb_ | moray: ah, heh. |