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| 07:55.38 | florian | hi all! |
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| 10:19.54 | *** topic/#gpe by pb_ -> GPE Palmtop Environment | http://gpe.handhelds.org | list of tasks on the wiki: http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/CurrentThingsToDo | http://europa.debian.org/bugzilla | bootgpe images now in http://handhelds.org/~pb/unstable/ |
| 10:21.28 | pb_ | morning |
| 10:24.42 | florian | pb_: hi |
| 10:25.09 | pb_ | hey florian |
| 10:26.47 | florian | i have to to - to a place without flatrate :-( - i'll be back in some hours... |
| 10:26.59 | florian | s/to to/to go |
| 10:27.46 | pb_ | florian: ok. see you later. |
| 10:28.04 | florian | pb_: yep, cu |
| 10:37.05 | spung_ | pb_: want me to remove the old files? |
| 10:37.22 | pb_ | spung_: ok. |
| 10:40.33 | spung_ | done |
| 10:43.34 | pb_ | cool |
| 10:44.13 | pb_ | did you add a changelog entry also? |
| 10:44.39 | spung_ | pb_: the last changelog entry mentioned the removed files but you didn't remove them |
| 10:44.46 | spung_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:44.47 | spung_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:44.47 | spung_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:45.11 | pb_ | ah, I see. |
| 10:45.27 | pb_ | I don't think the patch you sent me actually deleted the files. |
| 10:45.44 | spung_ | yeah |
| 10:45.57 | spung_ | didn't know how to do that |
| 10:46.48 | pb_ | patch will remove a file if it's empty after the patch is applied. |
| 10:47.03 | pb_ | so you just need to truncate the files you want to remove to zero length prior to running the diff. |
| 10:47.12 | spung_ | ah ok |
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| 11:37.38 | PaxAnima | morning |
| 11:54.57 | spung_ | moray: ah, i had a really funny english teacher from scotland named Allan :) he was mad about rugby |
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| 11:57.09 | moray | spung_: hm, don't think that can have been me then, I'm fairly uninterested in sport ;) |
| 11:57.11 | PaxAnima | morning, mallum |
| 11:57.27 | mallum | hey PaxAnima, all |
| 11:57.29 | moray | good morning mallum, others :) |
| 11:57.53 | mallum | spung_: mmenu is depreciated |
| 11:58.05 | spung_ | mallum: oh, mbmenu then? |
| 11:58.21 | mallum | spung_: yeah |
| 11:58.36 | spung_ | s/mmenu/mbmenu then :) |
| 11:59.19 | mallum | spung_: I dont understand your question |
| 11:59.24 | spung_ | mallum: we talked about that and maybe it's not such a good idea after all, it's just that it can get confusing sometimes |
| 11:59.59 | spung_ | mallum: the ppc2002 menu for instance does that http://www.handhelds.org/scap/port.6782.png |
| 12:00.05 | mallum | spung_: what transparency ? |
| 12:00.39 | mallum | spung_: how did someone get a ppc image on scap ? |
| 12:00.45 | spung_ | i have no idea |
| 12:00.54 | moray | mallum: that appears to be 'xterm style' transparency with just the background showing through - so old hat ;) |
| 12:00.57 | spung_ | that someone is AntiProxy tho |
| 12:01.10 | moray | interesting question |
| 12:01.23 | spung_ | moray: it doesn't get as confusing tho |
| 12:03.11 | mallum | spung_: so you want it to show transparency to the root window rather than be transparent to whatevers directly behind it ? |
| 12:03.28 | spung_ | mallum: yes, but i'm not sure it's a good idea, it's just an idea |
| 12:04.05 | spung_ | one thing is certain tho, it gets confusing specially when there are submenus behind it |
| 12:04.06 | mallum | spung_: it'd be easy to hack in if you want to try ... |
| 12:04.58 | spung_ | mallum: what if the transparency thing ignored submenus? is that possible/easy/a good idea? |
| 12:05.24 | mallum | spung_: its possible to add as an option |
| 12:05.49 | mallum | spung_: you'd just gran the root pixmap and alpha to that rather than grabbing everything behind |
| 12:06.37 | spung_ | mallum: what about my second suggestion? |
| 12:07.34 | mallum | spung_: well idealy on such a small display the menu's shouldnt go deaper than 1 sub level anyway... |
| 12:07.56 | spung_ | mallum: btw, there's a libtododb :) if you want to add todo item's to that scrolling text thing you were thinking about |
| 12:08.00 | spung_ | mallum: ahh, good point |
| 12:08.57 | moray | mallum/spung_: hm, couldn't it be made 'less confusing' just be increasing the opacity / adjusting the 'opacity addition' formula? |
| 12:09.53 | mallum | spung_: ah cool. I havn't done much work on mbdesktop for a while .. I'll add support for that soon |
| 12:11.09 | mallum | moray: what Im trying to say it the menu's ideally shouldn't end up on top of each other. Havinf multiple sub levels just dont work on a PDA as the menu's end up on top of each other and become difficult to use |
| 12:11.54 | spung_ | mallum: lots of sub levels are a pain regardless of being on a PDA or a desktop :) |
| 12:12.36 | mallum | spung_: yes indeed, even worse on the ipaq |
| 12:13.10 | mallum | spung_: thats why mbmenu/mbdesktop/vfolders wont let packages create menu directory entries |
| 12:13.51 | moray | mallum: yes, I agree, flat menus are going to be a much more useful interface in general on something like that |
| 12:14.30 | spung_ | well, now that there's a libtododb i'm going to try to add a todo list to gpe-today |
| 12:14.44 | moray | mallum: I wasn't sure if spung_ was also complaining about how the first level looked though? |
| 12:14.53 | spung_ | moray: no, not really |
| 12:14.59 | moray | ok |
| 12:15.11 | spung_ | moray: not in most occasions i guess |
| 12:15.30 | spung_ | moray: pb mentioned that it didn't look so good with xkbd under it tho |
| 12:15.49 | moray | spung_: wouldn't that be solved by increasing opacity then? |
| 12:15.58 | spung_ | moray: yes, i think so |
| 12:16.08 | spung_ | moray: he mentioned that to |
| 12:16.08 | moray | spung_: as in, it should be opaque enough to be read with the whitest thing around it underneath |
| 12:16.36 | spung_ | moray: i don't think the problem is with white but with the letters |
| 12:16.42 | mallum | well its easy to increase the opacity if somebody wants to try |
| 12:17.03 | mallum | just edit the bgtrans parameter in /usr/share/matchbox/themes/bluebox/theme.desktop |
| 12:18.29 | spung_ | ah, which reminds me, what needs the most artwork IMHO is the dock.. it's too rectangular :) i'm going to try to do something about that although my gimp skills are scarce |
| 12:18.36 | moray | spung_: if it was more opaque the difference visible between the xkbd background and foreground should be less |
| 12:18.48 | spung_ | moray: yes, tru |
| 12:19.18 | mallum | and then reselect the theme |
| 12:19.38 | mallum | spung_: docks are usually rectangular ... |
| 12:19.48 | mallum | spung_: and it'll take more than the gimp to change that |
| 12:20.32 | moray | mallum: I guess he's wondering about making it less a block of colour |
| 12:21.34 | mallum | moray: there is a --bgpixmap <xpm|png> parameter for it and a --bgtrans <level> too |
| 12:22.14 | spung_ | mallum: something like the window decorations of the bluebox theme |
| 12:22.43 | mallum | spung_: well all it will do currently is tile a background image |
| 12:25.27 | pb_ | crumbs, some kind of blizzard going on out there. |
| 12:26.37 | moray | oh, it's heavier than when I last looked out, yes - though still here it looks as if it'll melt before/when it reaches the ground |
| 12:28.31 | pb_ | yeah, it does mostly seem to be melting on impact still. |
| 12:29.45 | pb_ | now, if only the heating worked in my office. |
| 12:30.34 | moray | ah. |
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| 14:13.53 | mallum | does any one know if gpe apps mainly use stock images now for buttons ? |
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| 14:53.29 | spung_ | mallum: maybe it's not such a good idea http://www.handhelds.org/scap/port.9361.png |
| 15:19.49 | mallum | spung_: whats up with that ? |
| 15:23.46 | mallum | cmarqu: any plans to make gpe-setbg handle rotaions ? |
| 15:30.22 | spung_ | mallum: doesn't look right dunno |
| 15:33.25 | mallum | spung_: how did you expect it to look ? |
| 15:34.09 | mallum | spung_: theres still work to be done on it ... arrow / clock both need to be rotated. bubbles need to handle being vertically |
| 15:34.21 | mallum | spung_: and I dont think dragging works rights in that ipkg |
| 15:36.24 | spung_ | yeah |
| 15:36.42 | spung_ | well, off to linear algebra i go |
| 15:38.06 | mallum | spung_: yeah what ? |
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| 16:32.09 | florian | What does this want me to say? "login-setup: File at end of symlink: <filename>" |
| 16:34.56 | florian | ok, forget it - found it :-) |
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| 18:12.37 | mallum | hey |
| 18:12.45 | mallum | is there a gpe-su program ? |
| 18:18.31 | mallum | pb_: is gpe-bluetooth deps now fixed ? |
| 18:21.13 | pb_ | mallum: there's a gpe-su but it probably isn't built for gpe2. |
| 18:21.30 | pb_ | mallum: depends which gpe-bluetooth problem you were thinking of. |
| 18:22.20 | pb_ | I suspect the answer is probably no, though. |
| 18:25.24 | mallum | pb_: Its trying to load libsdp.so.1 |
| 18:25.34 | mallum | pb_: but only libsdp.so.2 exists |
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| 18:26.05 | mccarthy | hello all |
| 18:26.43 | mccarthy | has any/everyone seen this picture on tomshardware? http://www4.tomshardware.com/business/20030129/linuxworld-04.html |
| 18:27.10 | mccarthy | PaxAnima: do you release the completion thing? |
| 18:27.39 | pb_ | mallum: yeah, that's still outstanding. |
| 18:27.59 | pb_ | mallum: I had been putting it off until libsdp2 was packaged for debian, and ideally until Andy split the library out from the other bluez packages. |
| 18:28.50 | pb_ | mallum: as things stand, there is no way for a package to depend on libsdp.so.1 specifically, which is a bit sucky. |
| 18:29.24 | PaxAnima | mccarthy: hi, yes |
| 18:29.28 | mccarthy | pb_: yeah! there is now an arm build of libgtk2.0-0 version 2.2?! |
| 18:29.33 | pb_ | mccarthy: there is! |
| 18:29.37 | PaxAnima | mccarthy: ipkg install minipredict |
| 18:29.40 | pb_ | mccarthy: it's been there a couple days now. |
| 18:29.53 | mccarthy | pb: I wonder if it made it to the ipaq cluster ... |
| 18:30.07 | mallum | pb_: ah ok, np. Do you think its safe to dump the old libsdp in ( from debian arm ) ? |
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| 18:30.15 | dan_t | hello |
| 18:30.30 | dan_t | how i can start gpe ? |
| 18:31.09 | mccarthy | dan_t: ?! |
| 18:31.47 | dan_t | mccarthy: hello. i have just installed gpe and i haven't found a way to make it start :( |
| 18:31.52 | dan_t | can you help me ?^ |
| 18:32.47 | mccarthy | dan_t: is X runing? |
| 18:33.01 | mccarthy | PaxAnima: there seems to be focus issues... :( |
| 18:33.05 | mccarthy | (at least with xstroke) |
| 18:33.11 | dan_t | i have done /etc/init.d/gpe-dm start and i have calibrated x |
| 18:33.16 | mccarthy | xkbd worked nicely though... |
| 18:33.17 | dan_t | now x is running |
| 18:33.39 | mccarthy | dan_t: do you have a username listed int he drop-down menu? |
| 18:33.49 | mccarthy | (i.e. is gpe-login running?) |
| 18:33.54 | dan_t | i have any dropdown menu |
| 18:34.13 | PaxAnima | mccarthy: hmm.. haven't noticed any focusissues... how focus issues, BTW? |
| 18:34.49 | dan_t | mccarthy: if i try to launch gpe-login from console i get an error: |
| 18:35.01 | dan_t | GPE-ERROR: Unable to load icon "ok": Couldn't recognize the image file format for file '/usr/share/gpe/pixmaps/default/ok.png' |
| 18:35.24 | mccarthy | PaxAnima: when I try to xstroke into a terminal....when I click the word I want minipredict gets the focus (and the word never gets sent to the terminal) |
| 18:35.54 | mccarthy | dan_t: you need to have that image installed (of course), but most likely you have problems with *reading* the png... |
| 18:36.21 | mccarthy | dan_t: is gdk-pixbuf2-loader-png installed? |
| 18:36.22 | dan_t | mccarthy: i have just checked the png is where it must be |
| 18:36.42 | dan_t | mccarthy: sure |
| 18:37.12 | mallum | mccarthy: try running xstroke with the 'dont try and be clever' switch |
| 18:37.25 | mccarthy | mallum: good idea.... |
| 18:37.42 | mccarthy | mallum: you dont remember that weird png problem that dan_t is having do you? |
| 18:37.59 | mccarthy | dan_t: i think you need to run the libgtk2.0-0 postinst script by hand... |
| 18:38.17 | dan_t | mccarthy: tell me how. |
| 18:38.22 | mccarthy | dan_t: that is do this.... |
| 18:38.25 | PaxAnima | mccarthy: 'don't try and be clever' switch? |
| 18:38.29 | PaxAnima | mallum |
| 18:38.34 | mccarthy | gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders >/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders |
| 18:38.43 | mccarthy | gtk-query-immodules-2.0 >/etc/gtk-2.0/gtk.immodules |
| 18:39.32 | mccarthy | PaxAnima: -noauto |
| 18:39.45 | PaxAnima | what does that do? |
| 18:40.30 | mccarthy | PaxAnima: it wont try to "guess" if you are using a scrollbar, etc. |
| 18:40.53 | PaxAnima | ok |
| 18:43.32 | PaxAnima | mallum: mbdock crashes on me (haven't looked too much in to why yet) |
| 18:44.29 | mccarthy | mallum Pax: noauto doesnt help |
| 18:44.36 | PaxAnima | mccarthy: hmm.. |
| 18:44.53 | mccarthy | PaxAnima: it seems that xkbd actually writes to the terminal as I type whereas xstroke does *not*... |
| 18:45.10 | mallum | PaxAnima: what version / hows it crash ? |
| 18:45.28 | PaxAnima | mccarthy: it worked for me... the apps picks up _all_ events, so using xstroke/xkbd should have the same effect |
| 18:45.40 | PaxAnima | mccarthy: well, it disappears... it's the latest from unstable |
| 18:45.52 | PaxAnima | mallum: |
| 18:45.56 | mccarthy | PaxAnima: you mean mallum :) |
| 18:46.07 | PaxAnima | yup |
| 18:46.25 | mccarthy | PaxAnima: so xstoke should actually write individual letters (until I pick a word)? |
| 18:46.37 | mallum | PaxAnima: maybe it thinks xstroke is the focus window and sends the event there ( xstroke is actually one big transparent window ) |
| 18:46.47 | PaxAnima | mccarthy: oh.. think I know the problem |
| 18:47.08 | mallum | PaxAnima: what causes it to disspaear ? |
| 18:47.21 | mccarthy | mallum: is there an autohide? |
| 18:47.31 | PaxAnima | mallum: don't know.. happened twice in a short period of time... I'll try to reproduce it.. |
| 18:47.32 | mccarthy | (mine doesnt but maybe thats it( |
| 18:47.49 | mallum | mccarthy: no autohide currently |
| 18:48.04 | mccarthy | thats not it then |
| 18:48.16 | mccarthy | ;0 |
| 18:48.31 | dan_t | mccarthy: same error with the reinstalled package |
| 18:48.44 | PaxAnima | mccarthy: I had the same experience with Eterm on my desktop... don't know why it happens.. xterm works, and all other apps... guess it's some security thing, maybe? |
| 18:49.05 | mccarthy | dan_t: run ldconfig first? |
| 18:49.38 | mccarthy | PaxAnima: either way. this is way cool! great job.... |
| 18:50.00 | mccarthy | PaxAnima: my mapviewer thingie isnt as cool (but it works now) |
| 18:50.07 | PaxAnima | mccarthy: thanks ;) |
| 18:50.20 | PaxAnima | I'll look into the rxvt/Eterm issue |
| 18:50.37 | PaxAnima | mccarthy: is the mapviewer downloadable yet? |
| 18:50.41 | mccarthy | PaxAnima: but why would xkbd work fine? |
| 18:50.53 | mccarthy | PaxAnima: not really....but I guess it could be.... |
| 18:51.07 | mccarthy | PaxAnima: the biggest issue is getting the maps.... |
| 18:51.23 | mccarthy | I am not sure anyone else will actually want to use it |
| 18:51.37 | PaxAnima | mccarthy: oh, xkbd works? |
| 18:51.37 | mccarthy | the maps take up about 5-10M depending onthe area you wish to cover |
| 18:51.42 | mccarthy | PaxAnima: perfectly |
| 18:51.59 | mccarthy | I think it is a focus issue (like I said originally) |
| 18:52.14 | mccarthy | but it might not be *your* focus issue (since xkbd works) |
| 18:52.32 | mccarthy | I think mallum is right....it might be the transparent xstroke window thingie.... |
| 18:52.34 | mallum | mccarthy: minicomplete could maybe be sending events to the invisible xstroke window |
| 18:52.42 | mccarthy | (does xstroke work for you at all?!) |
| 18:53.01 | PaxAnima | mccarthy: xstroke works fine with other apps, like gpe-edit |
| 18:53.45 | mccarthy | PaxAnima: I will try that...maybe I have a wierd thing going on here |
| 18:54.00 | PaxAnima | mccarthy: it's the same here.. |
| 18:54.43 | mccarthy | PaxAnima: yup |
| 18:55.02 | PaxAnima | hmm.. and not it doesn't allways catch all events from new windows... I'll look into it later.. just been challenged for a game of Risk... ;) |
| 18:55.10 | PaxAnima | bbl |
| 18:55.48 | PaxAnima | (looks like it's related to xstroke, since xkbd works there too) |
| 18:56.26 | mccarthy | dan_t: did ldconfig help? |
| 18:59.32 | dan_t | mccarthy: no |
| 19:03.05 | dan_t | mccarthy: what version og libpng is required ? i have installed libpng1-2 libpng2 and libpng3 |
| 19:04.27 | mccarthy | dan_t: that shouldnt matter (I think) if libgtk2.0-0 is fine....did you run the " gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders" *after* the ldconfig? |
| 19:04.52 | dan_t | mccarthy: yes ofcourse |
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| 19:10.01 | mccarthy | dan_t: do you have any of the other loaders installed? ( I just installed the gif loader and it seems to be causing problems) |
| 19:11.06 | mccarthy | dan_t: hmmm.... |
| 19:12.16 | dan_t | mccarthy: i'm checking |
| 19:13.21 | mccarthy | dan_t: I am actually getting the same error, but as long as my /etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders file is OK it still runs fine....(strange) |
| 19:13.31 | mccarthy | dan_t: try putting this into your file... |
| 19:16.43 | dan_t | mccarthy: it worked |
| 19:16.51 | dan_t | now i get other errors: |
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| 20:09.08 | dan_t | mallum: ? |
| 20:09.34 | dan_t | mallum: i was speaking with you ? |
| 20:10.50 | mallum | dan_t: nope ;-) |
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| 20:12.44 | jsmanrique | hi |
| 20:12.45 | jsmanrique | night |
| 20:14.01 | dan_t | i was speaking with mcc.. somethink where is he ? |
| 20:16.08 | moray | dan_t: [20:02:04] <-- mccarthy (~mccarthy@granular.che.pitt.edu) has left #gpe ("Client Exiting") |
| 20:17.27 | dan_t | moray: thanks |
| 20:17.40 | dan_t | i just installed gpe |
| 20:17.46 | dan_t | i make login work |
| 20:17.54 | dan_t | now it ask me for a new user |
| 20:18.11 | dan_t | can't i login with an existing user ? |
| 20:19.21 | moray | dan_t: I'm afraid I'm just going out, so can't stay to help debug the problem - but it *should* only ask you to create a new user if there isn't already a suitable non-root user, I think |
| 20:20.17 | dan_t | moray: i can't login as root ' |
| 20:20.18 | dan_t | ? |
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| 20:23.10 | pb_ | wow |
| 20:23.18 | pb_ | I think that's define |
| 20:23.32 | pb_ | er, definately the longest it's ever taken me to get home from work. |
| 20:23.59 | jsmanrique | pb_: what happens? |
| 20:24.20 | pb_ | jsmanrique: seems the snow has caused gridlock on the roads. |
| 20:24.34 | pb_ | jsmanrique: I should have abandoned my car in the city and walked home, it would have been much quicker. |
| 20:24.44 | jsmanrique | pb_: wow |
| 20:24.56 | jsmanrique | pb_: here it is the windiest day I've ever seen |
| 20:25.20 | pb_ | heh. |
| 20:26.02 | jsmanrique | but haven't snow yet |
| 20:26.12 | jsmanrique | ok, it is a coast city |
| 20:26.21 | jsmanrique | and we expect snow for tomorrow |
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| 20:29.01 | jsmanrique | I am reading current things to do wiki |
| 20:29.14 | jsmanrique | and I've seen you are considering a weblog |
| 20:29.18 | jsmanrique | is that right? |
| 20:29.43 | pb_ | well, we were considering it at one point. but that was a long time ago and nothing has really happened. |
| 20:30.27 | pb_ | I still think it might be a reasonable idea. We do have a problem at the moment in that the only way to keep in the loop with GPE developments is to sit on IRC. |
| 20:31.18 | dan_t | i have just installed gpe and it uses a unreadable font |
| 20:31.28 | dan_t | how i can set it ? |
| 20:31.41 | jsmanrique | dan_t: have you ran postinst? |
| 20:31.58 | dan_t | jsmanrique: i haven't run anything |
| 20:32.08 | dan_t | jsmanrique: what i need to do ? |
| 20:32.13 | pb_ | dan_t: run /root/postinst |
| 20:32.15 | jsmanrique | dan_t: is your ipaq connected to internet? |
| 20:32.29 | dan_t | jsmanrique: to internet ? |
| 20:33.50 | jsmanrique | dan_t: yes, as far as I know postinst program in root directory download a microsoft fonts package and installs it on your ipaq |
| 20:34.13 | jsmanrique | dan_t: if you don't have your ipaq connected to internet you should do it manually |
| 20:35.18 | dan_t | jsmanrique: ah. i understand |
| 20:35.23 | dan_t | it is connected to internet |
| 20:35.27 | jsmanrique | dan_t: ok |
| 20:35.39 | dan_t | but now i have some problems with usbnet |
| 20:35.59 | dan_t | and suspend button doesn't work |
| 20:36.07 | jsmanrique | ? |
| 20:36.41 | dan_t | if i press the button on the top right corber of my ipaq id doesn't suspend |
| 20:37.28 | dan_t | i think that this is because i have installed opii too |
| 20:37.35 | dan_t | s/opii/opie/ |
| 20:38.00 | pb_ | what version of gpe are you using? |
| 20:38.22 | dan_t | is not possible have opie and gpe installed toghether ? |
| 20:38.29 | dan_t | pb_: the last unstable |
| 20:38.35 | pb_ | it should work in unstable. |
| 20:38.45 | pb_ | but you will need to install kernel 2.4.19. |
| 20:38.49 | pb_ | (in feeds/2.4.19) |
| 20:39.28 | dan_t | i see that if i do ps: |
| 20:39.35 | dan_t | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.35 | dan_t | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.35 | dan_t | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.35 | dan_t | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.35 | dan_t | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.36 | dan_t | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.38 | dan_t | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.53 | dan_t | there is something wrong i think because i'm using gpe |
| 20:39.57 | pb_ | I'm not sure if that is related to the kernel problem or something else. |
| 20:40.16 | pb_ | you might have to ask the opie dudes (in #opie) what's up there. |
| 20:41.00 | dan_t | pb_: i'm using gpe but i have also opie installed i think that this makes some confusion |
| 20:41.10 | pb_ | dan_t: I think it ought to work OK. |
| 20:41.21 | pb_ | but of course that doesn't mean it does right now. |
| 20:42.07 | jsmanrique | pb_: could it be a xserver problem? |
| 20:42.13 | pb_ | jsmanrique: seems unlikely |
| 20:42.35 | jsmanrique | pb_: ah |
| 20:42.43 | jsmanrique | pb_: yes, he have done apm |
| 20:42.52 | jsmanrique | pb_: you are right |
| 20:45.11 | dan_t | there is someone here that can help me with usbnet ? |
| 20:45.34 | jsmanrique | dan_t: not me, that's sure |
| 20:45.48 | pb_ | dan_t: the usbnet dudes hang out in #handhelds.org |
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| 20:48.43 | dan_t | there is something to do to make suspend work ? |
| 21:01.46 | pb_ | your two best options are (a) upgrade kernel; (b) talk to opie guys |
| 21:02.02 | pb_ | it seems fairly clear that your suspend problem is not directly related to gpe. |
| 21:03.04 | dan_t | pb_: i'm returning to use opie, gpe is too unstable |
| 21:03.12 | pb_ | ok |
| 21:04.47 | dan_t | pb_: i have downloaded gpe sources, i'm interested in development, i like it more than opie |
| 21:07.39 | dan_t | pb_: how i can upgrade kernel ? there is any controindication ? |
| 21:08.09 | pb_ | dan_t: put handhelds.org/feeds/2.4.19 in ipkg.conf, ipkg install kernel-sa (for strongarm) or kernel-pxa (for xscale) |
| 21:08.32 | dan_t | any controindications ? |
| 21:08.48 | pb_ | none I know of |
| 21:10.46 | mallum | pb_: is the 2.4.19 kernel working well ? |
| 21:10.57 | pb_ | mallum: seems to be. |
| 21:14.30 | mallum | pb_: are you running it on your 3600 ? |
| 21:14.34 | pb_ | mallum: yes |
| 21:14.55 | mallum | pb_: and does the power button now send it to sleep ? |
| 21:14.58 | pb_ | yes |
| 21:15.12 | mallum | pb_: cool, should I give it ago then ? |
| 21:15.18 | pb_ | sure |
| 21:15.53 | pb_ | the only thing to watch out for is that all the package names have changed, so your old packages will not be automatically upgraded. |
| 21:17.21 | dan_t | pb_: i have installed new kernel, suspend still not working (i have an 3870 ipaq) |
| 21:17.51 | pb_ | dan_t: if you are still having the problem with zombie opie-alarms, I guess you need to address yourself to #opie |
| 21:20.48 | mallum | dan_t: so what stuff have you coded ? |
| 21:21.48 | dan_t | mallum: what ? |
| 21:27.36 | mallum | dan_t: you said you wanted to develop for gpe ? ... I just wondered what stuff you'd done in the past |
| 21:28.39 | dan_t | mallum: ah, im a long time linux user, i'm programmer (c, c++, perl and some python) |
| 21:29.59 | dan_t | mallum: i have developped some closed source applications, my last work is a configurator for a linux think client written in c++ with the fltk library |
| 21:30.12 | mallum | dan_t: cool |
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| 22:19.41 | dan_t | there is an automatized way to build gpe ? |
| 22:21.08 | mallum | pb_: there dont seem to be a bugzilla entry for gpe-setbg |
| 22:21.25 | pb_ | mallum: use handhelds.org bugzilla perhaps |
| 22:23.04 | mallum | pb_: oh bugzilla in topic no longer used ? |
| 22:23.37 | pb_ | right now it is still used, but I have been thinking of merging the gpe stuff into the handhelds.org bugzilla. |
| 22:24.16 | pb_ | haven't really decided yet whether it's a good idea or not. |
| 22:24.26 | mallum | okey, I'll use hh.org |
| 22:36.35 | pb_ | ok, cool |
| 23:05.36 | PaxAnima | mallum: any idea of the focus issue with minipredict and xstroke? |
| 23:20.55 | PaxAnima | time to get some sleep.... |
| 23:20.57 | PaxAnima | nighty |
