| 00:00.07 | spung_ | pb__: the default font is a bit small don't you think? |
| 00:00.33 | mallum | PaxAnima: seems to work :-) |
| 00:00.37 | pb__ | spung_: you can change it easily enough with xst. |
| 00:00.49 | PaxAnima | pb__: the source, in all it's unclean glory: http://handhelds.org/~paxanima/files/irc_input.tar.gz |
| 00:00.52 | pb__ | spung_: if I make it bigger, people will complain it is too large :-) |
| 00:00.54 | pb__ | PaxAnima: thanks :-) |
| 00:00.56 | spung_ | pb__: why does rxvt use it too? |
| 00:00.56 | mallum | PaxAnima: it'd be nice if it listed a few possible completions rather than just 1 ? |
| 00:01.08 | spung_ | pb__: maybe i have some other problem |
| 00:01.15 | PaxAnima | pb__: need to seperate the stuff (got both the irc input code, library and dock app in the same directory structure right now) |
| 00:01.17 | spung_ | pb__: this one is unreadable |
| 00:01.19 | pb__ | spung_: no, rxvt uses its own font. |
| 00:01.27 | pb__ | spung_: did you install the MS ttf fonts? |
| 00:01.31 | pb__ | (using the postinst) |
| 00:01.37 | PaxAnima | mallum: yes... it's just a test version to see that it actually works ;) |
| 00:02.14 | mallum | PaxAnima: oh cool, I understand |
| 00:02.19 | mallum | PaxAnima: seems very nice :-) |
| 00:02.30 | PaxAnima | what would be the best way? display 2-3 words and keep the buttons as they are? |
| 00:02.35 | spung_ | pb__: i just did an ipkg update which breaks something as usual :D |
| 00:02.46 | pb__ | heh |
| 00:03.12 | mallum | pb__: gcc -Os -Wall -o xmonobut main.o -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 -lXpm -lXext -lmb |
| 00:03.12 | mallum | /usr/X11R6/lib/libXft.so.2: undefined reference to `FcUtf16ToUcs4' |
| 00:04.32 | pb__ | looks like you are missing an -lfontconfig. |
| 00:05.04 | pb__ | (somewhere else, not in that particular link) |
| 00:05.52 | mallum | pb__: yeah libmb should be linked against that though |
| 00:06.05 | mallum | pb__: it builds fine on my laptop |
| 00:06.21 | pb__ | well, more to the point, libXft ought to be linked against it. maybe check with readelf to make sure that is the case. |
| 00:06.54 | mallum | pb__: yeah I think fontconfig on the machine could be a little broke, Im reinstalling |
| 00:07.28 | mallum | pb__: I havn't added the XInput stuff yet. If you want to use it on your mac I'll add it |
| 00:07.50 | mallum | pb__: you dont need a dock for it to run |
| 00:07.50 | spung_ | pb__: every app (gtk or not) seems to be using the same _small_ font http://handhelds.org/scap/port.24887.png |
| 00:08.15 | mallum | spung_: run ./postinst |
| 00:08.19 | pb__ | I don't particularly want to use XInput at the moment, but I would certainly prefer not to have to build a special gtk for it. So if you can add XInput easily, that would certainly be nice. |
| 00:08.20 | spung_ | mallum: i did |
| 00:08.46 | spung_ | maybe restart will help |
| 00:09.00 | mallum | pb__: I think the XInput gets enabled by default by the gtk build anyway |
| 00:09.20 | pb__ | mallum: did you put fc-cache in the fontconfig postinst in the end? |
| 00:09.30 | mallum | pb__: yeah I think so |
| 00:10.06 | mallum | pb__: yeah I did |
| 00:11.10 | pb__ | cool |
| 00:11.43 | spung_ | mallum: nop, didn't help |
| 00:16.35 | mallum | spung_: what fc-list give you ? |
| 00:17.21 | dc__ | I require sleep :// |
| 00:17.59 | spung_ | mallum: huh, No such file or directory |
| 00:18.14 | mallum | spung_: did you run fc-cache ? |
| 00:18.27 | mallum | spung_: as root |
| 00:18.35 | spung_ | mallum: just did |
| 00:19.02 | mallum | spung_: okey now reboot |
| 00:21.03 | spung_ | mallum: didn't help |
| 00:22.12 | mallum | spung_: whats in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/ttf ? |
| 00:22.35 | spung_ | mallum: MS fonts and a fonts.cache-1 |
| 00:23.14 | mallum | spung_: hmm, did you recently upgrade ? |
| 00:23.19 | spung_ | mallum: yeah |
| 00:23.29 | spung_ | mallum: that's what caused this |
| 00:25.25 | mallum | spung_: try running upgrade again, maybe ipkg missed some stuff |
| 00:26.43 | dc__ | oh my lord.. |
| 00:26.50 | pb__ | dc__: ? |
| 00:26.54 | dc__ | it takes ages to move bigg files with ext3 |
| 00:27.02 | pb__ | yeah |
| 00:27.08 | dc__ | :[ |
| 00:27.20 | pb__ | I'm not sure why ext3 performance sucks so badly, but it certainly does seem to. |
| 00:27.21 | dc__ | hrm |
| 00:27.23 | spung_ | mallum: nop :\ |
| 00:27.26 | PaxAnima | time to get some sleep... I'll make gpe-wordcomplete display more words tomorrow... |
| 00:27.27 | dc__ | if I cancel a move... |
| 00:27.27 | PaxAnima | good night |
| 00:27.37 | dc__ | will my original files still be intact :\ |
| 00:27.40 | pb__ | dc__: should be safe enough, yeah |
| 00:27.54 | dc__ | good'o |
| 00:28.34 | pb__ | trouble is that all the other journalling filesystems seem to be even worse. :-/ |
| 00:28.40 | dc__ | suck. |
| 00:28.52 | pb__ | yes |
| 00:29.44 | pb__ | I've been considering switching our fileserver back to ext2 to try to get some of the speed back. |
| 00:30.40 | dc__ | seems like an idea. |
| 00:38.49 | mallum | spung_: grab http://handhelds.org/~mallum/downloadables/experimental/fc-list and see if that lists anything |
| 00:39.06 | mallum | pb__: or try xfs |
| 00:39.17 | pb__ | ? |
| 00:39.25 | pb__ | oh, xfs the filesystem |
| 00:39.34 | spung_ | ./fc-list |
| 00:39.34 | spung_ | SF Willamette:style=Regular |
| 00:39.34 | spung_ | Fixed:style=Regular |
| 00:39.34 | mallum | pb__: yeah, meant to be the fastest I think |
| 00:39.36 | pb__ | I've heard reports of it eating files. |
| 00:40.01 | mallum | pb__: sure your not confusing it with reiser ? |
| 00:40.07 | pb__ | mallum: yep. |
| 00:40.16 | pb__ | mallum: I've actually had personal experience of reiser eating files :-} |
| 00:40.30 | mallum | pb__: hehe sheiserfs |
| 00:40.56 | pb__ | one of our customers wanted to use reiser in their product a year or so back. |
| 00:41.08 | mallum | spung_: whats fc-cache -v give you ? |
| 00:41.22 | mallum | spung_: also maybe try fc-cache -f -v |
| 00:41.56 | mallum | spung_: the fc-list again |
| 00:42.00 | mallum | then |
| 00:42.05 | spung_ | hah |
| 00:42.14 | spung_ | mallum: fc-cache -f -v fixed it |
| 00:42.48 | mallum | spung_: phew! cool :-) |
| 00:43.11 | spung_ | the postinst script should run that? |
| 00:43.24 | mallum | not with a -f |
| 00:43.37 | spung_ | hmm.. what's going wrong » |
| 00:43.49 | mallum | well the help output for it says; |
| 00:43.59 | mallum | -f, --force scan directories with apparently valid caches |
| 00:44.19 | mallum | so maybe you had an apparently valid cache |
| 00:45.29 | mallum | I've added it to the postinst for the next run of packages |
| 00:45.36 | mallum | the -f switch |
| 00:46.07 | spung_ | cool |
| 00:47.24 | spung_ | pb__: is the suspend bug so hard to fix? :( |
| 00:48.12 | pb__ | spung_: which suspend bug? |
| 00:48.20 | spung_ | pb__: the power button thing |
| 00:48.25 | pb__ | spung_: yes, which one? |
| 00:48.29 | spung_ | heh |
| 00:48.37 | spung_ | well, i press it but it won't suspend |
| 00:48.44 | pb__ | what kernel are you running? |
| 00:49.20 | spung_ | 2.4.18-rmk3 #5 |
| 00:49.30 | pb__ | spung_: you should upgrade to 2.4.19, where that bug is fixed. |
| 00:49.36 | spung_ | hmm |
| 00:49.37 | moray | it seems there are a *lot* of drunk people standing around in Cambridge just now... |
| 00:49.45 | spung_ | i wonder i ipkg upgrade didn't take care of that |
| 00:50.20 | moray | speaking of the power button, I was wondering earlier that it's somewhat problematic that you can't suspend the unit outside X |
| 00:50.35 | pb__ | moray: you can use apm -s at any time. |
| 00:50.43 | moray | pb__: not if you don't have a serial console |
| 00:50.53 | pb__ | moray: in that case, what would you be doing outside X? |
| 00:51.04 | moray | pb__: I was upgrading my ipaq at a friend's, using his wireless, and broke things |
| 00:51.23 | spung_ | pb__: where's kernel 2.4.19? |
| 00:51.28 | moray | pb__: (jffs2 was filling up) |
| 00:51.29 | pb__ | spung_: in the 2.4.19 feed |
| 00:52.28 | pb__ | moray: in the worst case, if you just want to turn the unit off. you can always reset into the bootldr and suspend there. |
| 00:52.49 | spung_ | pb__: ipkgfind won't help me |
| 00:54.31 | pb__ | moray: and in general, if your environment is broken enough that you can neither run X nor access a shell to type apm -s, not being able to suspend would seem like a fairly minor worry. |
| 00:54.44 | moray | pb__: indeed, I don't think it's a big issue - although potentially you could have e.g. a non-X screen with keys to suspend / reboot / whatever |
| 00:54.47 | pb__ | spung_: http://handhelds.org/feeds/2.4.19/ |
| 00:55.06 | spung_ | pb__: thanks, i couldn't find that in the familiar list either |
| 00:55.29 | moray | pb__: well, if you've got files in RAM it's nicer not to have to worry about losing them before you get home (though hopefully ipaqsleep should help with that) |
| 00:55.52 | pb__ | yes, that's true. |
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| 00:57.12 | pb_ | doh |
| 00:57.29 | moray | just closed the window? |
| 00:58.06 | moray | where's 2002:5160:45ef:0:20a:95ff:fe76:cd6c routed through, btw? |
| 00:59.33 | pb_ | moray: variation on a theme: I forgot that my xchat was running remotely on another machine, and shut it down. |
| 01:00.18 | spung_ | pb_: hmm, i added the feed to ipkg.conf but i can't seem to upgrade the kernel |
| 01:00.49 | moray | pb_: ha |
| 01:01.00 | pb_ | moray: that's just a 6to4 address. I don't know exactly where it routes. |
| 01:01.18 | pb_ | spung_: package naming has changed. ipkg install kernel-sa |
| 01:06.13 | spung_ | pb_: hmm, i'm running kernel 2.4.19-rmk4-pxa2-hh5 #81 but it doesn't seem to fix the problem |
| 01:08.25 | pb_ | spung_: you do have keylaunch running, right? |
| 01:09.16 | jg | mallum: no idea... |
| 01:10.09 | spung_ | pb_: yes |
| 01:10.24 | spung_ | pb_: it doesn't seem to work tho |
| 01:10.39 | pb_ | spung_: ah, mallum's latest X packages seem to break keylaunch. |
| 01:11.57 | pb_ | spung_: but you should be able to suspend with apm -s now, and you could bind that to a monolaunch or something as a temporary measure. |
| 01:12.18 | spung_ | pb_: apm -s always worked for me |
| 01:12.31 | pb_ | ah, ok |
| 01:13.03 | pb_ | in that case, once X is fixed you should be all set. |
| 01:13.14 | spung_ | cool |
| 01:13.57 | spung_ | going to try and build a gpe-today package now |
| 01:14.07 | pb_ | great. |
| 01:14.42 | spung_ | it's not ready IMHO, but maybe i'll get bug reports and feature requests that way |
| 01:15.56 | spung_ | pb_: a way of enabling cross compiling would be alias gcc='arm-linux-gcc'; alias strip='arm-linux-strip' ? |
| 01:16.23 | pb_ | spung_: yes, but you would normally do that by setting CC and STRIP variables rather than with shell aliases. |
| 01:16.49 | spung_ | pb_: yeah, i'll change my Makefile to use the STRIP var |
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| 01:33.10 | spung_ | pb_: my cross compiling thing doesn't seem to be working .. the first errors i get are something like |
| 01:33.13 | spung_ | main.c:19:22: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory |
| 01:33.15 | spung_ | main.c:20:23: X11/Xatom.h: No such file or directory |
| 01:33.18 | spung_ | In file included from main.c:21: |
| 01:33.21 | spung_ | /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gdk/gdkx.h:33:22: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory |
| 01:33.21 | spung_ | with plain gcc it works fine |
| 01:33.23 | spung_ | /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gdk/gdkx.h:34:23: X11/Xutil.h: No such file or directory |
| 01:33.25 | pb_ | spung_: it would seem you don't have the X11 headers on hand. |
| 01:36.15 | mallum | jg: okey :( |
| 01:36.36 | spung_ | pb_: but, it works for normal compilation |
| 01:36.39 | spung_ | pb_: any idea' |
| 01:36.56 | mallum | pb_: best fix I can think of other than reverting back to old X packages is stick some xmodmap commands in the X Startup |
| 01:37.27 | pb_ | spung_: you need the X headers in your arm cross directory. |
| 01:38.14 | spung_ | pb_: should i copy them? |
| 01:38.25 | pb_ | spung_: you should probably install the xlibs-dev package with dpkg-cross. |
| 01:38.31 | spung_ | right |
| 01:38.43 | spung_ | pb_: suggestion: add that to your tutorial :) |
| 01:44.42 | mallum | g'night all |
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| 09:40.50 | florian | hi all! |
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| 11:51.15 | florian_ | PaxAnima: morning |
| 11:51.22 | PaxAnima | morning |
| 11:58.17 | PaxAnima | florian_: tried gpe-wordcomplete? |
| 11:59.01 | florian_ | PaxAnima: nope, not yet - is there still a ipk? |
| 11:59.14 | PaxAnima | yup |
| 11:59.25 | PaxAnima | http://v058b.studby.ntnu.no/files/gpe-wordcomplete_0.1_test3_arm.ipk |
| 12:01.31 | florian_ | PaxAnima: Thanks - i'll try later, at the moment my girlfriend is "testing" tetris ;-) |
| 12:01.43 | PaxAnima | ah ;) |
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| 12:22.23 | florian_ | mallum: hello! |
| 12:22.58 | mallum | hey florian_ |
| 12:23.01 | PaxAnima | morning, mallum |
| 12:28.56 | mallum | Im doing a 113Mb sid upgrade on a 100mhz box |
| 12:29.00 | mallum | its taking ages .... |
| 12:29.48 | florian_ | mallum: i thought i was the only one running slow computer like this... |
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| 12:37.47 | dc_ | morning |
| 12:38.10 | PaxAnima | morning, dc_ |
| 12:38.15 | spung_ | florian_: /me is running a debian-based distro on a 486 :D |
| 12:39.34 | florian_ | spung_: me too, debian (woody) on a 486, and solaris on a 85MHz sparcstation 10... |
| 12:39.44 | dc_ | hey PaxAnima, spung_ and florian_ |
| 12:39.56 | spung_ | florian_: full debian on a 486 must be a pain |
| 12:40.01 | florian_ | dc_: hellooo... |
| 12:40.06 | spung_ | florian_: dpkg/apt-get is slow |
| 12:40.57 | florian_ | spung_: yes, really - but with this scsi based one it's usable |
| 12:41.24 | spung_ | if you say so :) |
| 12:41.29 | florian_ | spung_: this is a good idea - makes life easier :-) |
| 12:44.08 | mallum | florian_, spung_: this is an AMD DX4? based tabletPC :-) |
| 12:45.40 | spung_ | florian_: i have to buy a PCMCIA slot thing and a wireless card? |
| 12:46.19 | spung_ | that's like 300 euros :( |
| 12:46.32 | spung_ | too expensive :( |
| 12:50.31 | florian_ | mallum: hey cool! |
| 12:50.46 | spung_ | is there any less less expensive solution? |
| 12:51.35 | florian_ | spung_: yes, i thin a cf jacket is cheaper - they don't have an additional battery. |
| 12:51.51 | florian_ | s/thin/think |
| 12:53.29 | florian_ | a cf wireless lan card is some more expensive... but not too much |
| 12:53.59 | mallum | florian_: do you know of anyware doing the cf wifi cards real cheap ? |
| 12:54.08 | spung_ | ahh |
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| 12:54.23 | pb_ | morning |
| 12:54.34 | spung_ | florian_: ahh i mixed the prices.. it's ~300 EUR with that CF thing |
| 12:54.41 | spung_ | too expensive :\ |
| 12:55.00 | florian_ | mallum: not really, my netgear was about eur 120 - they should be cheaper now |
| 12:55.06 | spung_ | no |
| 12:55.08 | spung_ | ahrg |
| 12:55.14 | spung_ | stupid compar on-line store |
| 12:55.17 | spung_ | stupid compaq on-line store |
| 12:55.17 | florian_ | pb_: hello |
| 12:55.20 | mallum | florian_: yeah I may see how much they are here ... |
| 12:55.25 | pb_ | hi florian_ |
| 12:55.26 | mallum | hey pb_ |
| 12:55.33 | pb_ | hi mallum |
| 12:56.38 | mallum | pb_: did you get my comment last night, about fixing the keysyms for now with a xmodmap script in the start up ? |
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| 12:57.03 | pb_ | mallum: yeah. |
| 12:57.13 | pb_ | mallum: I would rather at least understand what has changed to cause the breakage, though. |
| 12:57.33 | mallum | pb_: yep me too |
| 12:57.53 | jg | pb_, mallum: morning. |
| 12:57.57 | pb_ | I will try downgrading the Xserver and leaving xlibs alone, to see what happens. |
| 12:57.59 | pb_ | hi jg |
| 12:58.02 | mallum | pb_: but I dont have the time currently :( |
| 12:58.05 | mallum | jg: hey |
| 12:58.17 | jg | what's the problem? |
| 12:58.38 | dc_ | hi jg :} |
| 12:58.49 | jg | dc_: hi. |
| 12:58.50 | mallum | jg: the new X server /xlibs dont seem to set up the keysyms for the ipaq buttons anymore :( |
| 12:59.25 | jg | mallum: make sure the conditional compile in the X server is getting done... |
| 12:59.25 | jg | There are keysyms that have to get setup there. |
| 13:01.05 | mallum | jg: do you have your last host.def ? It may be a good idea to add that to CVS ... |
| 13:01.51 | jg | mallum: not on this disk (I recently swapped disks in my laptop). |
| 13:02.44 | mallum | jg: okey np, this is what Im using ... see anything obvious missing that may affect these keysyms ? |
| 13:02.47 | mallum | mallum@debian:~/X-src$ cat xc/config/cf/host.def.ipaq |
| 13:02.47 | mallum | #define KDriveXServer YES |
| 13:02.47 | mallum | #define KdriveServerExtraDefines -DITSY -DMAXSCREENS=2 |
| 13:02.47 | mallum | #define TinyXServer YES |
| 13:02.47 | mallum | #define CrossCompiling YES |
| 13:02.48 | mallum | #define TouchScreen YES |
| 13:02.50 | mallum | #define ItsyCompilerBug YES |
| 13:02.53 | mallum | #undef BuildRandR |
| 13:02.54 | mallum | #define BuildRandR YES |
| 13:02.56 | mallum | #define BuildXInputLib YES |
| 13:02.58 | mallum | #define ProjectRoot /usr/X11R6 |
| 13:03.00 | mallum | #define Freetype2Dir $(TOP)/extras/freetype2 |
| 13:03.02 | mallum | #define Freetype2LibDir $(TOP)/exports/lib |
| 13:03.04 | mallum | #define BuildXTrueType YES |
| 13:03.08 | mallum | #define BuildScreenSaverExt YES |
| 13:03.10 | mallum | #define BuildScreenSaverLibrary YES |
| 13:03.12 | mallum | #define SharedLibXss YES |
| 13:03.14 | mallum | #define ServerXdmcpDefines |
| 13:03.16 | mallum | #define XfbdevServer YES |
| 13:03.18 | mallum | #define XipaqServer YES |
| 13:04.15 | jg | mallum: I also have copies in my mail, but unfortunately, I can't get to my mail this morning. |
| 13:04.52 | jg | is KT_X and KT_XF getting set? |
| 13:05.05 | mallum | jg: okey no rush. we can always duct tape it with some xmodmap commands |
| 13:05.22 | jg | mallum: Part of the problem is that a patch that should have gone into the kernel didn't... |
| 13:05.28 | jg | (defining those symbols). |
| 13:05.43 | mallum | jg: ah okey |
| 13:05.55 | jg | /home/xc/programs/Xserver/hw/kdrive/linux/keyboard.c has the stuff in it... |
| 13:06.59 | mallum | jg: yeah, though Im not shure if its a server or a libs problem .. /X11R6/lib/X11/XKeysymDB is there with the definitions it just dont seem to be getting read |
| 13:07.15 | mallum | jg: the keycodes them selves are still the same |
| 13:08.03 | jg | mallum: yes, but the kernel keysymbols aren't getting set, so X never sets the X keysyms, so you lose. |
| 13:08.18 | mallum | jg: uh okay |
| 13:08.27 | mallum | ley me look at that keyboard.c ... |
| 13:08.33 | jg | TinyX uses the kernel keysymbols to set up the X Keysyms. |
| 13:08.38 | mallum | but how come it worked ok before ? |
| 13:08.44 | mallum | jg: yes |
| 13:08.54 | pb_ | mallum: what kernel headers are you building against? |
| 13:08.56 | jg | So that if you change the kernel mapping, X does "the right thing". This isn't true of the main XFree86 server. |
| 13:09.12 | pb_ | KT_X and KT_XF are defined in the hh.org tree, but if you are using a King-Torvalds sourcebase you might not have them. |
| 13:09.20 | mallum | jg: yep, I understand |
| 13:09.34 | spung_ | florian_: what's the price of a CF Wireless card? |
| 13:09.40 | jg | pb_: that patch should go to simmons/torvalds directly. |
| 13:09.50 | jg | pb_: has nothing to do with RMK. |
| 13:09.58 | pb_ | jg: agreed |
| 13:13.06 | florian_ | spung_: Here the cheapes are around EUR 100. |
| 13:14.18 | mallum | pb_, jg: well these X packages would have been built against a stock kernel .. |
| 13:14.39 | pb_ | mallum: I guess that would be the problem. |
| 13:15.50 | mallum | pb_: and I guess I need that actual header rather than just turning them defines on right ? |
| 13:16.01 | pb_ | mallum: no, you can just define them locally I expect. |
| 13:16.03 | jg | mallum: I've tried a couple times to get that patch into the system, but failed. would you mind bugzilla'ing it so I can't forget again? |
| 13:16.18 | jg | mallum: best is that patched header.... |
| 13:16.23 | mallum | jg: I always mind using bugzilla ;-) |
| 13:16.49 | mallum | so who has the patched header ..? |
| 13:16.55 | pb_ | mallum: it's in cvs |
| 13:17.07 | jg | mallum: should be in cvs unless it has gotten dropped on the floor by accident. |
| 13:17.18 | jg | (which happened once). |
| 13:17.26 | mallum | its just a cvs co kernel right ? |
| 13:17.41 | pb_ | jg: I just checked the HEAD, it does appear to be there. |
| 13:18.02 | pb_ | mallum: or linux/kernel, depends on your CVSROOT |
| 13:18.44 | mallum | pb_: well I'll grab it and do a rebuilt |
| 13:18.53 | pb_ | ok cool |
| 13:19.48 | mallum | pb_: it should be enough just to drop the keyboad.h from there into the arm linux headers dir right ? |
| 13:19.54 | pb_ | mallum: yes |
| 13:19.57 | jg | mallum: yes |
| 13:19.59 | mallum | pb_: thats all I did with the h3600_ts stuff |
| 13:20.22 | pb_ | or you can copy the linux and asm-arm directories wholesale |
| 13:20.38 | jg | pb_: or check out cvs and put in links. |
| 13:21.02 | jg | mallum: having cvs is best in the long term, as we need to do the driver conversion. |
| 13:21.06 | mallum | pb_: to save some bandwidth, could you just mail me the file ( may need kd.h too ) ? |
| 13:21.11 | pb_ | ok |
| 13:21.36 | mallum | jg: I dont have loads of time at the moment ... we have people coming over in approx half an hour |
| 13:21.46 | jg | mallum: ok, fine. |
| 13:21.50 | pb_ | mallum: get it at handhelds.org/~pb/k.tar |
| 13:22.43 | mallum | pb_: oops Im getting a 403 on that |
| 13:22.58 | pb_ | oops |
| 13:23.00 | pb_ | try again |
| 13:23.12 | mallum | cool got it |
| 13:23.47 | pb_ | obviously I have some ludicrous umask set on my local machine |
| 13:23.48 | mallum | thx |
| 13:28.01 | dc_ | mallum: hey, on friday the 7th. |
| 13:28.10 | mallum | dc_: yep |
| 13:28.30 | dc_ | mallum: are you good to pick me up from london bridge at around 11:39? |
| 13:28.37 | mallum | dc_: sure |
| 13:28.43 | dc_ | mallum: well, plus, say, 10 minutes too get out of the train. |
| 13:28.52 | mallum | dc_: cool, np |
| 13:28.52 | dc_ | mallum: where do we meet? |
| 13:29.01 | mallum | dc_: are you gonna get yourself a mobile ? |
| 13:29.06 | dc_ | hehe. |
| 13:29.11 | dc_ | nah, not yet :\ |
| 13:29.25 | mallum | dc_: can you find out what platform the train arrives on ? |
| 13:29.59 | dc_ | sure thing. |
| 13:30.11 | mallum | dc_: I cant remember london bridge station that well |
| 13:30.21 | dc_ | mallum: I've never been there :\ |
| 13:31.32 | mallum | dc_: okey, if your worried my friend lives right by there and I can ask him for wheres obvious to meet there |
| 13:32.00 | dc_ | hrm |
| 13:32.09 | dc_ | it seems there is no platform infomation. |
| 13:32.23 | dc_ | mallum: well, I guess there must be some obvious coffee shop or something. |
| 13:32.52 | mallum | dc_: yeah, dont worry |
| 13:34.54 | dc_ | mallum: http://www.railtrack.co.uk/majorstations/index.cfm?fuseaction=stations.liststation&stationID=4009# |
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| 13:37.36 | pb_ | TheMasterMind1: morning |
| 13:39.39 | TheMasterMind1 | sup |
| 13:40.12 | dc_ | mallum: building #22 looks formidable |
| 13:41.25 | mallum | dc_: what is it ? |
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| 13:41.32 | dc_ | mallum: god knows. |
| 13:41.47 | dc_ | mallum: probly a whsmiths or something of the sort. |
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| 13:42.45 | mallum | dc_: okey, let me ask me friend for a cofee place or some sort in that station |
| 13:49.12 | PaxAnima | weee! gpe-wordcomplete now displays more than 1 word.. now it's time to figure out how to click the words |
| 13:49.19 | pb_ | cool |
| 13:49.41 | mallum | nice :-) |
| 13:51.40 | mallum | pb_: finally got the X build going again ;-) |
| 13:51.53 | mallum | biab |
| 13:52.04 | pb_ | great |
| 14:01.11 | dc_ | right'o mallum |
| 14:04.39 | PaxAnima | the words are now clickable too ;) |
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| 14:24.54 | mallum | pb_: okey I have a new tinyX, wanna test ? or shall I just dump it into unstable ? |
| 14:26.49 | pb_ | mallum: just dump it into unstable |
| 14:27.01 | dc_ | pb_: once I have my new toolchain setup, how do I install debs for it? |
| 14:27.01 | pb_ | I'll test it once it hits the distribution. |
| 14:27.10 | pb_ | dc_: dpkg-cross --arch arm --install ... |
| 14:27.17 | dc_ | oh cool :}} |
| 14:27.24 | mallum | pb_: okey, as soon as it uplaoded though Im gonna be offline for the rest of the day |
| 14:27.33 | pb_ | mallum: ok |
| 14:27.50 | dc_ | and I guess there are arm gtk2 debs in unstable now then? |
| 14:27.55 | dc_ | not fam unstable obviously |
| 14:28.02 | PaxAnima | http://v058b.studby.ntnu.no/files/gpe-wordcomplete_0.1_test4_arm.ipk <--- hot hot! ;) |
| 14:28.05 | pb_ | dc_: gtk2 yes, gtk 2.2 no |
| 14:28.09 | mallum | pb_: shit I cant uplaod anyway. I've not got access to the machine with key :( |
| 14:28.14 | pb_ | mallum: hell |
| 14:28.18 | PaxAnima | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.12667.png |
| 14:28.27 | pb_ | mallum: can you just put it somewhere I can download from then? |
| 14:28.27 | dc_ | pb_: guess they'll have too do.....unless I just use garnome to compile gtk2.2 :} |
| 14:28.51 | pb_ | dc_: let me see what the current status is with the debs |
| 14:29.03 | dc_ | PaxAnima: wahay :) |
| 14:29.06 | mallum | pb_: http://handhelds.org/~mallum/downloadables/experimental/xserver-tiny-h3600_4.2.20030126-13_arm.ipk |
| 14:29.11 | pb_ | mallum: thanks |
| 14:30.07 | pb_ | dc_: hrm, some mysterious linker error |
| 14:30.14 | pb_ | http://buildd.debian.org/fetch.php?&pkg=gtk%2B2.0&ver=2.2.0-2&arch=arm&stamp=1043470556&file=log&as=raw |
| 14:30.17 | dc_ | pb_: with the debs? |
| 14:30.43 | pb_ | built ok on all other architectures though. |
| 14:31.30 | dc_ | suck |
| 14:31.42 | pb_ | I'll have it try again, see what happens. |
| 14:34.12 | pb_ | btw, I just uploaded new debs for libgpewidget. |
| 14:34.20 | dc_ | oh, cool. |
| 14:34.40 | PaxAnima | hmm.. maybe I'll rename the app to minicomplete, or something, as it's a none-gpe app (and you don't need gpe do run it) |
| 14:36.47 | pb_ | mallum: great, keylaunch works again now |
| 14:37.14 | mallum | pb_: phew! cool :-) |
| 14:37.33 | pb_ | jg is my hero. |
| 14:37.39 | mallum | pb_: can you dump that package into unstable , I may not get a chance till tommorow |
| 14:37.42 | pb_ | ok |
| 14:37.49 | mallum | pb_: eh? I did all the work ;-) |
| 14:37.57 | pb_ | mallum: oh yeah, you are my hero also |
| 14:38.03 | dc_ | hehe |
| 14:39.20 | mallum | hmm anyone know how I set gtk to use emacs keybinding again ? |
| 14:44.06 | pb_ | allegedly, it's gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs", but I don't think that has ever actually worked for me. |
| 14:44.20 | mallum | pb_: yeah me too :( |
| 15:00.11 | pb_ | flypiper: morning |
| 15:03.57 | mallum | dc_: http://club.pep.ne.jp/~hiroette/en/facemarks/index.html |
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| 15:04.08 | jsmanrique | hi |
| 15:04.11 | moray | pb_: hm, I'm sure that gtk-key-theme-name setting *did* work for me in the past, but it doesn't seem to be doing anything just now |
| 15:04.14 | mallum | jsmanrique: hey |
| 15:04.26 | mallum | jsmanrique: you have a 3100 running unstable ? |
| 15:04.34 | flypiper | pb_: morning sir:) |
| 15:04.35 | jsmanrique | mallum: more or less |
| 15:04.46 | jsmanrique | mallum: I haven't updated it for weeks |
| 15:04.57 | jsmanrique | I've been 'playing' with Glade |
| 15:04.59 | mallum | jsmanrique: could you do an upgrade on it to check new XServer packahes work ok |
| 15:05.12 | jsmanrique | http://www.asturlinux.org/~jsmanrique/sda/pantallazo.png |
| 15:05.22 | jsmanrique | mallum: ok, give me some minutes |
| 15:05.50 | mallum | cool, no rush |
| 15:06.04 | mallum | Im not really about anyway |
| 15:06.56 | pb_ | moray: ah, hm |
| 15:07.51 | jsmanrique | I've been playing with Glade to make up my ideas about Giac GUI |
| 15:09.06 | mallum | pb_: I fixed with gconf |
| 15:09.32 | pb_ | ah |
| 15:09.35 | mallum | pb_: set /desktop/gnome/interface/gtk_key_theme to Emacs |
| 15:09.59 | florian | jsmanrique: this looks nice... |
| 15:10.04 | pb_ | right, yeah, that fixed it. |
| 15:10.26 | moray | mallum: ah right, that must been some piece of standardisation I suppose |
| 15:10.40 | jsmanrique | main problem is that I have no idea aobut programming :-))) |
| 15:10.42 | pb_ | moray: it looks like it does still read .gtkrc-2.0, but I guess gconf takes precedence. |
| 15:11.14 | mallum | moray, pb_: yeah |
| 15:11.32 | mallum | I have a feeling we'll see a cobraless gconf pretty soon ... |
| 15:11.50 | jsmanrique | using an output window and input window is a matter of hardware design |
| 15:12.18 | florian | jsmanrique: it is not impossible to learn this ;-) ...and it is FUN! |
| 15:12.31 | jsmanrique | for a really low cost handheld/calculator, the input window should be a hardware keyboard, and output window should be a 240x160 screen |
| 15:13.29 | florian | this would be nice... |
| 15:14.05 | moray | I suspect a hardware keyboard would be easier for students to use without immediately destroying the thing by scratches... |
| 15:14.15 | jsmanrique | right |
| 15:14.28 | jsmanrique | I am thinking ARM720 as processor |
| 15:14.47 | jsmanrique | and GTK as graphical core |
| 15:15.16 | florian | should be changable by config :-) |
| 15:18.29 | jsmanrique | I cannot connect my ipaq to internet using PPP |
| 15:18.57 | jsmanrique | and I wouldn't lost my laptop connection |
| 15:19.08 | jsmanrique | I've done what PPP Howto says |
| 15:20.24 | florian | Ole is working on a easy to use ppp dialng tool :-) |
| 15:20.38 | jsmanrique | florian: I hope so |
| 15:21.22 | florian | jsmanrique: i think it will be, but he is quite busy.... |
| 15:22.25 | jsmanrique | ok |
| 15:22.38 | jsmanrique | then I will upgrade using the hard way |
| 15:22.55 | jsmanrique | unplugging my pcmcia and put it on my ipaq |
| 15:23.43 | jsmanrique | just a minute |
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| 15:46.59 | jsmanrique | when kernel will be debugged |
| 15:47.17 | jsmanrique | I can't restart my ipaq after an update |
| 15:47.22 | jsmanrique | I can't restart my ipaq after an upgrade |
| 15:47.36 | jsmanrique | now, I have to reflash it completly :/ |
| 15:48.06 | pb_ | jsmanrique: someone with an h3100 will have to debug it. maybe talk to Jamey. |
| 15:48.24 | jsmanrique | pb_: I had the same problem with all my ipaqs |
| 15:48.44 | jsmanrique | pb_: it hangs booting linux |
| 15:48.58 | jsmanrique | Uncompressing Linux............................................. done, booting . |
| 15:50.55 | pb_ | jsmanrique: what bootldr are you using? |
| 15:51.01 | pb_ | jsmanrique: and what version of the kernel? |
| 15:51.38 | pb_ | dc_: ! |
| 15:51.47 | jsmanrique | pb_: bootldr 2.18.54 |
| 15:51.55 | dc_ | pb_: I have to finish my maths coursework by friday... |
| 15:52.01 | pb_ | dc_: hell. |
| 15:52.05 | dc_ | pb_: can you just imagine my enthusiams. |
| 15:52.12 | dc_ | asm :/ |
| 15:52.19 | pb_ | dc_: I have to finish my tax return by Friday also. |
| 15:52.26 | dc_ | pb_: joy. |
| 15:52.32 | pb_ | so, about the same level of fun I suspect |
| 15:52.38 | jsmanrique | pb_: and the kernel, I have updatedfrom it unstable before this problem |
| 15:53.06 | dc_ | pb_: right. |
| 15:53.10 | pb_ | jsmanrique: strange. those versions work OK for many other people with 3600 units. |
| 15:53.31 | dc_ | pb_: for gcc-arm-linux and binutils-arm-linux do I run dpkg --install ? |
| 15:53.37 | flypiper | jsmanrique: do you have 2 kernels on it?? |
| 15:53.45 | jsmanrique | flypiper: what? |
| 15:53.46 | pb_ | dc_: yes |
| 15:53.53 | jsmanrique | I have done ipkg update |
| 15:53.57 | jsmanrique | and ipkg upgrade |
| 15:54.12 | jsmanrique | and now my ipaq hangs on booting |
| 15:54.26 | flypiper | jsmanrique: it's a good idea to keep a good kernel on your ipaq.. you can boot it using the bootldr |
| 15:54.45 | jsmanrique | so, now, I have to reflash it... |
| 15:55.20 | jsmanrique | flypiper: how to keep a good kernel? |
| 15:55.54 | jsmanrique | flypiper: could you do ipkg upgrade -kernel (upgrade everyting but not the kernel) |
| 15:56.02 | dc_ | pb_: and now...how do I install my own gpe enviorment from unstable? |
| 15:56.15 | flypiper | jsmanrique: just zmodem a kernel into /boot then you will have 2 kernels there.. when the one your using dies.. you can boot the other one |
| 15:57.09 | flypiper | jsmanrique: from the bootldr do "help" and I can't remember but it's something like " boot> jffs2 /boot/fullkernelname |
| 15:57.15 | pb_ | dc_: what do you mean? |
| 15:57.39 | dc_ | pb_: well, do I have to add any lines to sources.list |
| 15:58.08 | jsmanrique | anyway |
| 15:58.08 | pb_ | dc_: shouldn't do, just unstable. |
| 15:58.17 | jsmanrique | I have to reflash it |
| 15:58.21 | dc_ | pb_: and how do I use apt-get to install debs from arm unstable...or don't I. |
| 15:58.52 | pb_ | dc_: not sure. You might have to download them manually. |
| 15:59.21 | dc_ | joy |
| 15:59.36 | pb_ | :-/ |
| 16:00.23 | dc_ | pb_: do we think there's a way to set the arch for apt-get ? |
| 16:00.40 | pb_ | dc_: dunno. possibly. |
| 16:17.39 | pb_ | ibot, seen keithp? |
| 16:17.44 | | keithp <~keithp@63.227.221.253> was last seen on IRC in channel #handhelds.org, 15d 17h 41m 13s ago, saying: 'Nermal: SuSE is big fun to work for -- engineering is in charge. Who you working with?'. |
| 16:20.48 | dc_ | pb_: ehh, I guess I have to change the arch in my CFLAGS too arm? |
| 16:20.56 | mallum | pb_: keithp is usually in #gtk+ on irg.gimp.org |
| 16:21.32 | pb_ | mallum: yeah, I looked there, no sign of him at the moment |
| 16:21.42 | mallum | pb_: whats up ? the vt thing ? |
| 16:22.01 | pb_ | no, I wanted to talk to him about rxvt. |
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| 16:22.05 | dc_ | pb_: or rather what do I put for -mcpu ? |
| 16:22.20 | pb_ | dc_: probably best to leave that stuff alone. |
| 16:22.26 | pb_ | dc_: what is it you're trying to compile? |
| 16:22.32 | dc_ | garnome, gtk2 |
| 16:22.35 | mallum | pb_: ah okey |
| 16:22.50 | mallum | dc_: have you compiled kde from garnome ? |
| 16:22.59 | dc_ | mallum: no.. |
| 16:23.03 | dc_ | mallum: have you? |
| 16:23.12 | pb_ | dc_: hm, I wouldn't have expected that to be using -mcpu at all. suggest you remove that option if it's there. |
| 16:23.24 | mallum | dc_: no, but I think I may now try |
| 16:23.25 | dc_ | ok.. |
| 16:23.48 | dc_ | pb_: and what do I do about providing it with g++? |
| 16:24.15 | pb_ | dc_: ah, that's more tricky, I haven't built a g++ crosscompiler yet. |
| 16:24.20 | dc_ | ah. |
| 16:24.42 | dc_ | I'll assume that gtk+ doesn't need g++... |
| 16:24.52 | pb_ | yeah, I don't think it does. |
| 16:24.59 | dc_ | good;o |
| 16:25.20 | mallum | dc_: ah it would appear the garnome links are out of date for KDE |
| 16:25.21 | dc_ | bbl |
| 16:25.37 | dc_ | mallum: oh well... |
| 16:25.44 | dc_ | mallum: you shouldn't be trying to compile kde anyhow =P |
| 16:26.15 | mallum | dc_: why not ;-) |
| 16:26.27 | dc_ | kde3 isn't all that good. |
| 16:26.42 | dc_ | it's just like an ugly version of gnome1... |
| 16:26.45 | dc_ | but with AA menus. |
| 16:26.52 | mallum | hehe |
| 16:26.59 | dc_ | and it has a dragon! |
| 16:27.10 | mallum | I was only doing to test kde stuff with matchbox |
| 16:27.16 | dc_ | hehehe |
| 16:27.22 | mallum | abd to see what the latest is like |
| 16:27.29 | dc_ | mallum: what garnome version is it? |
| 16:27.58 | mallum | 0.20 |
| 16:28.12 | dc_ | mallum: heh, yes, I guess not many people use it then |
| 16:28.22 | dc_ | mallum: there must be some kde compile scripts. |
| 16:28.27 | dc_ | hrm |
| 16:28.39 | dc_ | I think I want to install redhat 8 |
| 16:28.41 | mallum | dc_: yeah Im not that bothered |
| 16:28.48 | dc_ | mallum: :} |
| 16:28.54 | mallum | dc_: I think 0.20 is the latest garnome though ...? |
| 16:28.55 | dc_ | it looks so seductive. |
| 16:29.02 | dc_ | mallum: yes. |
| 16:29.11 | mallum | dc_: ypu can make garnome look like redhat8 pretty easy |
| 16:29.20 | dc_ | bluecurve? |
| 16:29.30 | mallum | dc_: yeah and in misc/redhat artwork |
| 16:29.46 | dc_ | oh wow. |
| 16:29.57 | dc_ | yay |
| 16:30.00 | dc_ | mallum: and what does that do? |
| 16:30.24 | mallum | dc_: All the gnome icons for bluecurve I think |
| 16:30.31 | dc_ | mallum: install metacity themes? |
| 16:30.40 | mallum | dc_: theres also the metacity bluecurve theme, and the gtk bluecurve theme |
| 16:30.43 | dc_ | huray :D |
| 16:30.43 | mallum | biab |
| 16:30.59 | dc_ | mallum: thanks :) |
| 16:31.04 | dc_ | bbl for me too. |
| 16:31.11 | dc_ | need to do some more of this coursework. |
| 16:31.11 | dc_ | :\\ |
| 16:40.21 | jsmanrique | trying PPP I get this: |
| 16:40.30 | jsmanrique | Serial connection established. |
| 16:40.31 | jsmanrique | Using interface ppp0 |
| 16:40.31 | jsmanrique | Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS0 |
| 16:40.31 | jsmanrique | LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests |
| 16:40.31 | jsmanrique | Connection terminated. |
| 16:40.49 | jsmanrique | any idea what I've done wrong? |
| 16:54.10 | jsmanrique | is already matchbox 0.4 in unstable? |
| 16:54.47 | pb_ | not yet |
| 16:55.26 | jsmanrique | pb_: what about yor experimental images for bootgpe2 |
| 16:55.39 | jsmanrique | pb_: do they come with mb 0.4? |
| 16:55.40 | pb_ | don't think it's in there either |
| 16:55.51 | pb_ | they are just built out of unstable from what I remember. |
| 17:05.08 | cmarqu | pb_: Do you know what kernel Ineed for the new glibc? |
| 17:05.14 | pb_ | cmarqu: 2.4.18 |
| 17:05.27 | pb_ | or later, obviously |
| 17:05.40 | jsmanrique | time to update |
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| 17:28.27 | PaxAnima | mallum: is there a way to check if a KeyPress comes from the XTestFakeKeyEvent? |
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| 17:37.03 | dc__ | I'm gonna die...... |
| 17:37.56 | PaxAnima | :/ |
| 17:39.32 | dc__ | my poor head aches. |
| 17:42.56 | pb_ | hell. |
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| 17:43.22 | jsmanrique | back to town :) |
| 17:43.37 | jsmanrique | it seems that there are some problems with last gpe2 and xserver |
| 17:43.43 | jsmanrique | at least for h3100 |
| 17:44.10 | jsmanrique | check http://www.handhelds.org/scap |
| 17:44.55 | pb_ | wow |
| 17:44.56 | pb_ | nasty |
| 17:45.33 | jsmanrique | but it was nice that gpe2 fits on my ipaq |
| 17:45.52 | jsmanrique | but most of times I get Killed: Out of memory messages on my terminal window |
| 17:45.58 | pb_ | ah. |
| 17:46.23 | jsmanrique | at least, I hope this could help as debug info |
| 17:47.10 | jsmanrique | Starting GPE display manager: gpe-dm familiar login: Out of Memory: Killed process 465 (gpe-calendar). familiar login: |
| 17:48.20 | jsmanrique | mallum: I think this tests are what you were asking for |
| 17:48.51 | jsmanrique | mallum: but you would expect better results |
| 17:49.16 | jsmanrique | ~ # free total used free shared buffers Mem: 14624 14324 300 0 0 Swap: 0 0 0 Total: 14624 14324 300 |
| 17:49.54 | jsmanrique | and |
| 17:49.56 | jsmanrique | ~ # df Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/mtdblock/1 16128 13496 2632 84% / tmpfs 7312 60 7252 1% /mnt/ramfs ~ # |
| 17:51.13 | dc__ | those 3100 shots are bad. |
| 17:51.27 | pb_ | yes |
| 17:51.31 | jsmanrique | dc__: yes, I know it... |
| 17:51.33 | dc__ | I guess gtk2 is expecting white on a normal xserver... |
| 17:51.45 | moray | jsmanrique: do they look exactly like that on screen or not/ |
| 17:51.45 | moray | ? |
| 17:51.59 | dc__ | instead of the solid black you're getting |
| 17:52.04 | jsmanrique | moray: worse on my screen |
| 17:52.13 | jsmanrique | dc__: no, I get a solid back |
| 17:52.29 | jsmanrique | and gpe logo doesn't appear as clear as in the photo |
| 17:53.09 | jsmanrique | I can't run any app |
| 17:53.23 | jsmanrique | it seems to be a problem with .png files |
| 17:53.36 | jsmanrique | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.3243.png |
| 17:53.54 | moray | jsmanrique: but there's also something odd about that text I think? |
| 17:55.01 | jsmanrique | moray:what? |
| 17:55.58 | jsmanrique | moray: I don't understand |
| 17:56.04 | moray | jsmanrique: the writing in e.g. http://handhelds.org/scap/port.3243.png is odd, as if it's used the wrong colour-depth when trying to anti-alias, or something |
| 17:56.06 | dc__ | supa dupa |
| 17:56.29 | dc__ | mallum: bluecurve is cute :) |
| 17:56.55 | jsmanrique | moray: h3100 has a 4bit screen that makes everything looks awful |
| 17:57.35 | moray | jsmanrique: yes, but it *ought* to be possible to persuade the font renderer to use an appropriate colour table |
| 17:57.51 | jsmanrique | moray: at least everything that should be anti-alias or alpha blended, I think |
| 17:58.27 | moray | jsmanrique: it looks like it has tried to anti-alias, but the 'grey' colours are too dark for it to look right :/ |
| 17:58.28 | PaxAnima | pb_: what's the depency for gtk2 called? libgtk2? |
| 17:58.34 | pb_ | libgtk2.0-0 |
| 17:58.42 | PaxAnima | thanks |
| 17:58.55 | jsmanrique | moray: I don't know, but his kind of problems have been here for a long time |
| 17:59.26 | jsmanrique | moray: I mean, .png icons doesn't look too good since first gpe release |
| 18:00.21 | jsmanrique | moray: but icons from gtk apps looks nice |
| 18:00.49 | mallum | jsmanrique: you can tell the fontconfig its a greyscale display ... |
| 18:00.50 | jsmanrique | moray: I mean icons that doesn't use libgpewidget or similar, i.e., psCalc |
| 18:01.18 | moray | jsmanrique: do you know what image renderer is being used by things that look good? |
| 18:01.23 | jsmanrique | mallum: how? |
| 18:01.31 | mallum | jsmanrique: man fontconfig ? |
| 18:01.43 | jsmanrique | mallum: on the ipaq? :) |
| 18:02.11 | jsmanrique | Tatooine:~# man fontconfig |
| 18:02.11 | jsmanrique | No existe entrada de manual para fontconfig |
| 18:02.20 | mallum | okey one sec |
| 18:03.06 | jsmanrique | thx |
| 18:05.44 | dc__ | ack |
| 18:06.15 | mallum | jsmanrique: try setting the xresource xft.hinting to greyscale |
| 18:06.23 | mallum | dc__: yes bluecurve is very nice |
| 18:06.37 | jsmanrique | mallum: what? how? |
| 18:07.31 | mallum | jsmanrique: btw the matchbox shots look bad as theres a bug in matchbxo's pixbuf library |
| 18:07.59 | mallum | jsmanrique: it should be trivial to fix |
| 18:08.07 | jsmanrique | mallum: how do I set xresource? |
| 18:08.43 | mallum | jsmanrique: you should have a file called ~/.XResource where the key values are set |
| 18:08.47 | jsmanrique | ~ # cat .Xdefaults Rxvt*font: mono-5.5:minspace=true Rxvt*geometry: 55x15 Xft.rgba: vbgr fscrib*overrideRedirect: true fstroke*overrideRedirect: true |
| 18:08.57 | jsmanrique | I have this |
| 18:09.05 | mallum | jsmanrique: one edit run xrdb .Xdefualts |
| 18:09.44 | jsmanrique | mallum: please, slowly |
| 18:10.18 | jsmanrique | mallum: I don't have .XResource |
| 18:10.32 | jsmanrique | mallum: I have .Xdefaults |
| 18:10.54 | jsmanrique | mallum: and there is Xft.rgba: vbgr |
| 18:11.44 | mallum | jsmanrique: yeah just pipe .XDefualts though xrdb |
| 18:11.44 | jsmanrique | mallum: what should I do? |
| 18:12.13 | jsmanrique | ~ # xrdb .Xdefaults /skiff/local/bin/cpp: No such file or directory ~ # |
| 18:12.30 | mallum | pass -nocpp to it |
| 18:13.05 | jsmanrique | done |
| 18:13.51 | mallum | jsmanrique: I cant find the exact hint, you would have to check the soutce of fontconfig |
| 18:14.04 | mallum | jsmanrique: www.fontconfig.org , it shouldn't be too hard to find |
| 18:14.27 | mallum | jsmanrique: you can definetly do it as rh 8 and latest garnome has a control applet that does it |
| 18:15.01 | jsmanrique | mallum: I don't understand anything, I am lost |
| 18:15.21 | jsmanrique | mallum: I have xrdb -nocpp .Xdefaults |
| 18:15.29 | jsmanrique | mallum: for what? |
| 18:15.31 | mallum | jsmanrique: ok well I'll figure it out for you but not now - no time |
| 18:22.41 | jsmanrique | ok |
| 18:46.33 | jsmanrique | anybody knows if gtk runs on uclinux |
| 18:46.54 | mallum | jsmanrique: you may also want to try editing the command gpe-login uses to start the X Server, adding '-render gray' |
| 18:50.31 | jsmanrique | mallum: I am searching it |
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| 20:34.59 | dc_ | hum....dedum |
| 20:35.13 | PaxAnima | stable connection, as always? ;) |
| 20:35.19 | dc_ | ooh yes |
| 20:36.18 | PaxAnima | http://v058b.studby.ntnu.no/files/minipredict_0.1_arm.ipk <--- latest version (named it something more mb-ish than gpe-ish) |
| 20:38.03 | jsmanrique | is it me or I can't turn off my ipaq? |
| 20:39.00 | dc_ | hrm |
| 20:39.32 | jsmanrique | I can't turn off the ipaq |
| 20:40.06 | jsmanrique | neither turn off the backlight using the power button |
| 20:40.24 | moray | jsmanrique: make sure you're (a) running a recent kernel (b) running a recent X (c) running keylaunch with an appropriate configuration (such as the default one) |
| 20:40.41 | moray | (or running a sufficiently old X is fine too...) |
| 20:40.49 | jsmanrique | moray: last X |
| 20:40.58 | jsmanrique | moray: on recent kernel |
| 20:43.16 | jsmanrique | Package: xserver-tiny-h3600 Version: 4.2.20030122-12 |
| 20:44.06 | jsmanrique | time to reflash again? |
| 20:44.21 | moray | jsmanrique: does 'apm -s' work? |
| 20:44.52 | jsmanrique | yes, it does |
| 20:45.15 | pb_ | jsmanrique: upgrade your xserver |
| 20:45.24 | pb_ | jsmanrique: you need 4.2.20030126-13 |
| 20:45.29 | jsmanrique | pb_: it is the one from unstable |
| 20:45.45 | jsmanrique | pb_: another one in less than hours |
| 20:46.00 | mallum | jsmanrique: as new one was uploaded very recently |
| 20:46.00 | pb_ | jsmanrique: the X men do not hang around. |
| 20:46.08 | jsmanrique | X-D |
| 20:46.20 | mallum | jsmanrique: even for ppl with 3100's |
| 20:46.20 | jsmanrique | give me some minutes |
| 20:49.49 | mallum | my touchscreen driver for pt510 _RULES_ |
| 20:49.58 | dc_ | mallum: :} |
| 20:50.02 | mallum | touch screen and entire box locks up :)) |
| 20:50.28 | dc_ | mallum: sounds like it rules then |
| 20:50.46 | mallum | yeah, another piece of quality mallum kernel hacking |
| 20:54.55 | cmarqu | h3600_asic_init: unknown iPAQ model 3600 |
| 20:54.55 | cmarqu | /lib/modules/2.4.18-rmk3/kernel/arch/arm/mach-sa1100/h3600_asic.o: init_module: No such device |
| 20:55.17 | cmarqu | Hmm. |
| 20:55.18 | mallum | cmarqu: no I didn't write that one |
| 20:55.22 | cmarqu | :) |
| 20:56.15 | cmarqu | init started: BusyBox v0.60.3-pre (2002.01.18-05:00+0000) multi-call binary |
| 20:56.16 | cmarqu | Bummer, could not run '/etc/init.d/rcS': No such file or directory |
| 20:56.26 | cmarqu | What is that? |
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| 20:58.01 | jsmanrique | hi |
| 20:58.40 | jsmanrique | the xserver is still too ugly |
| 20:59.49 | mallum | jsmanrique: have you tried anything to rectify it though ? |
| 21:00.23 | jsmanrique | mallum: I have upgraded it |
| 21:00.39 | mallum | jsmanrique: have you even bothered to sort out a set of icons for greyscale ? |
| 21:00.41 | jsmanrique | mallum: but I haven't found what you suggested me about |
| 21:01.05 | jsmanrique | mallum: I am not talking about the icons |
| 21:01.16 | jsmanrique | mallum: I talk about the black border on the screen |
| 21:01.42 | mallum | jsmanrique: b;ackborder around everything or just the desktop ? |
| 21:02.15 | jsmanrique | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.7696.png |
| 21:02.22 | jsmanrique | mallum: it seems to be desktop only |
| 21:02.43 | mallum | jsmanrique: yes that is a problem with mbpixbuf |
| 21:02.51 | dc_ | :] |
| 21:03.06 | mallum | jsmanrique: the source is in hh.org cvs if you want to fix it |
| 21:03.58 | mallum | jsmanrique: I wont, as I quite like the parched ye olde paper look |
| 21:04.19 | dc_ | mallum: what a good excuse |
| 21:04.22 | jsmanrique | mallum: not being a programmer I think I would make more damage |
| 21:04.25 | mallum | dc_: thanks |
| 21:05.31 | moray | mallum: hm, when I saw that the first time I assume jsmanrique had been playing with xstroke round the edge ;) |
| 21:05.41 | jsmanrique | X-D |
| 21:06.00 | mallum | it is a pretty damn cool effect |
| 21:06.08 | moray | jsmanrique: I suspect using a different background pixmap would be a good idea? |
| 21:06.15 | moray | (including saving memory, presumably) |
| 21:06.34 | jsmanrique | moray: how do I define the background image? |
| 21:06.39 | mallum | moray: there is no memory to save on a 3100 |
| 21:06.54 | moray | mallum: hum |
| 21:07.49 | jsmanrique | mallum: I have 1'8MB free, after some apps Killed by Out of Memory |
| 21:07.51 | mallum | Can people conform to me that from that shot, it looks like mbpixbuf is displaying white pixels as black ? |
| 21:08.30 | mallum | remember there will be some pretty heavy dithering going on |
| 21:08.55 | moray | mallum: well, I presume, comparing e.g. the background of http://handhelds.org/scap/port.24887.png |
| 21:09.21 | moray | although the brightnesses of the greys in the middle are the right way round? |
| 21:09.55 | moray | (so it's just full white and full black, rather than things being reversed all the way through) |
| 21:10.07 | mallum | moray: yeah the gpe backing image has a white border |
| 21:10.20 | mallum | jsmanrique: I'll put a fix in ... |
| 21:10.31 | mallum | jsmanrique: dont expect a new package just yet though .. |
| 21:10.44 | moray | mallum: although ISTR that on my ipaq the whiteness isn't that visible compared to the rest, unlike in scap on my desktop |
| 21:11.26 | mallum | morayits just a problem with how tinyx ramps the colormap for grey scale |
| 21:12.31 | moray | ah right |
| 21:16.16 | moray | (test) |
| 21:16.22 | moray | hrm |
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| 21:19.59 | pb_ | cmarqu: h3600_asic is only appropriate for 3800/3900 units, you don't want it on a 3600/3700. |
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| 21:30.06 | cmarqu | pb_: Ah, thanks. |
| 21:32.53 | mallum_ | jsmanrique: ah you have a calculator handy ? |
| 21:33.08 | moray | (ah right, moray_ is a laptop in London) |
| 21:33.22 | jsmanrique | mallum_ : what? |
| 21:33.35 | mallum_ | jsmanrique: do you have a calculator at hand ? |
| 21:33.45 | jsmanrique | mallum_: I have 5 calculators at hand |
| 21:34.08 | mallum_ | jsmanrique: cool, do you want to help me fix this mbpixbuf problem ? |
| 21:34.20 | jsmanrique | mallum_: tell me how |
| 21:34.58 | mallum_ | jsmanrique: could you tell me what you get if; |
| 21:35.00 | mallum_ | (1 << pb->depth) - ((( ((*r * 54) + (*g * 183) + (*b * 19)) / 256)\ |
| 21:35.00 | mallum_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:35.29 | mallum_ | you solve the above replacing r,g,b as 255 |
| 21:35.59 | mallum_ | (1 << pb->depth) as 16 |
| 21:37.16 | jsmanrique | I get -239 |
| 21:38.00 | jsmanrique | 16-((255*54+255*183+255*19)/256) |
| 21:38.25 | jsmanrique | ahm there is a second part |
| 21:38.35 | jsmanrique | * 0xffff )/ (1 << pb->depth)); ¿? |
| 21:39.55 | jsmanrique | what is 0xffff ? |
| 21:40.37 | jsmanrique | mallum_: 0xffff is 255 too? |
| 21:41.00 | mallum_ | jsmanrique: 65535 |
| 21:41.13 | jsmanrique | mallum_: ok |
| 21:41.33 | mallum_ | jsmanrique: so it reads |
| 21:41.54 | mallum_ | (16) - ((( ((*r * 54) + (*g * 183) + (*b * 19)) / 256) * 65535 ) / 16 |
| 21:42.13 | jsmanrique | mallum_: wait |
| 21:42.19 | jsmanrique | mallum: I am doing |
| 21:43.06 | jsmanrique | 16-((255*54+255*183+255*19)/256*65535)/16) |
| 21:43.25 | jsmanrique | and give 15.9997569206 |
| 21:44.35 | mallum_ | jsmanrique: cool thats good, thank you ! |
| 21:44.47 | mallum_ | jsmanrique: and what if you replace r,g,b with 0 ? |
| 21:45.30 | jsmanrique | 16 |
| 21:45.51 | mallum_ | you see why I get black pixels now :( |
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| 21:46.10 | jsmanrique | more or less |
| 21:46.29 | jsmanrique | both numbers are very similar :-) |
| 21:46.45 | mallum_ | yes, whilst one is for white and the other for black :( |
| 21:48.33 | mallum_ | jsmanrique: what happens if you put 200 in ? |
| 21:49.29 | jsmanrique | mallum_: 15.9998093495 |
| 21:50.16 | mallum_ | jsmanrique: 100 ? |
| 21:50.52 | jsmanrique | mallum_: what are you searching? |
| 21:51.20 | jsmanrique | mallum_: 15.9999046748 |
| 21:51.40 | mallum_ | jsmanrique: hmm you must be putting the values is wrongly |
| 21:51.52 | pb_ | jsmanrique: are you sure you are getting your brackets in the right place? |
| 21:52.06 | jsmanrique | here is the expression I am using: |
| 21:53.10 | jsmanrique | 16-(((r*54+g*183+b*19)/256*65535)/16) |
| 21:53.24 | pb_ | jsmanrique: how does the precedence work around that 256*65535? |
| 21:53.26 | jsmanrique | I think 256*65535 could be wrong |
| 21:53.38 | mallum_ | jsmanrique: you need to bracket the various (r*54) stuff too |
| 21:53.57 | pb_ | mallum_: * almost always binds more tightly than + |
| 21:54.14 | jsmanrique | the problem is 256*65535 |
| 21:54.30 | mallum_ | pb_: okey Im never one for remembering precendences :( |
| 21:55.00 | jsmanrique | does 65535 divide (r*+g*+b*) or multiply it |
| 21:55.06 | jsmanrique | 16-(((r*54+g*183+b*19)/256*65535)/16) |
| 21:55.08 | jsmanrique | or |
| 21:55.21 | jsmanrique | 16-(((r*54+g*183+b*19)*65535/256)/16) |
| 21:55.58 | pb_ | jsmanrique: almost certainly the latter |
| 21:56.33 | jsmanrique | let's use my hp48 for this |
| 21:58.46 | jsmanrique | ok |
| 21:58.52 | jsmanrique | for 0 I get 16 |
| 21:59.21 | jsmanrique | for 255 I get -1044448.0625 |
| 21:59.30 | mallum_ | ewe |
| 21:59.34 | jsmanrique | so, could someone show me the correct expression |
| 21:59.36 | mallum_ | what about 200 ? |
| 22:00.25 | jsmanrique | -819171.5 |
| 22:00.37 | mallum_ | doh it must still be wrong then |
| 22:01.25 | jsmanrique | so, could someone show me the correct expression |
| 22:01.48 | mallum_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.35 | jsmanrique | is the second 16 dividing everything, or just the second part? |
| 22:06.06 | mallum_ | second part |
| 22:06.27 | mallum_ | jsmanrique: the second part should give a fraction of 16 |
| 22:10.19 | jsmanrique | mallum_: I am having the same results |
| 22:11.54 | mallum_ | jsmanrique: oh well :( |
| 22:20.13 | mallum_ | jsmanrique: I cant get the dumb equation to work niether :( |
| 22:20.25 | mallum_ | jsmanrique: anyway I hacked in a quick fix, maybe that will help |
| 22:24.38 | PaxAnima | what's the equation for? |
| 22:25.57 | PaxAnima | could someone have a go at the renamed completion app and test it before I put it in the unstable feeed? http://v058b.studby.ntnu.no/files/minipredict_0.1_arm.ipk |
| 22:26.35 | mallum_ | PaxAnima: mapping a r,g,b triplet to an X pixel value |
| 22:26.52 | mallum_ | PaxAnima: but just for greyscale visuals |
| 22:27.02 | PaxAnima | oh.. |
| 22:27.27 | mallum_ | PaxAnima: I cant remember how I came up with it which is the scary thing :( |
| 22:28.05 | PaxAnima | so you want to go from rgb->greyscale? |
| 22:29.39 | florian | gn |
| 22:30.04 | mallum_ | PaxAnima: yes |
| 22:31.01 | mallum_ | PaxAnima: it actually has to map from 1 to ( 1 << screen_depth ) |
| 22:31.39 | mallum_ | PaxAnima: as it a 4bit greyscale display, it only has 16 pixel values |
| 22:31.48 | PaxAnima | ok |
| 22:32.17 | mallum_ | 0 being black, 8 being mid grey, 15 being white ( IIRC ) |
| 22:33.04 | PaxAnima | hmm |
| 22:34.39 | mallum_ | or it could be the other way round 16 being black, 0 being white - I cant remember, but that do really matter |
| 22:35.20 | jsmanrique | mallum_: is that the equation? |
| 22:35.21 | PaxAnima | google gave me Y = 0.3*R + 0.59*G + 0.11*B for rgb->greyscale conversion, but as the page stated, there isn't a "correct" way of converting it |
| 22:35.39 | mallum_ | PaxAnima: yes thats what Im doing ... |
| 22:35.42 | jsmanrique | mallum_: I am sending a screenshot from hp49 emulator |
| 22:36.02 | mallum_ | jsmanrique: I can never get dcc to work :( |
| 22:36.38 | mallum_ | PaxAnima: Im just ramping up the values so there fraction of 256 rather than 1 so its faster ... |
| 22:36.48 | PaxAnima | yes.. |
| 22:36.59 | jsmanrique | mallum_: ok |
| 22:37.41 | PaxAnima | when I convert with my imagelib I use the image brightness, that is: I = sqrt( r^2 + g^2 + b^2) |
| 22:39.00 | PaxAnima | divided by a scaling factor to make the value get below 256 |
| 22:40.10 | PaxAnima | haven't looked into colour theory too much |
| 22:40.39 | mallum_ | PaxAnima: yeah apparently do the fractions bit gives better results |
| 22:43.22 | mallum_ | hmm, to be honest Im suprised greyscale even works at all :( |
| 22:44.27 | mallum_ | its total crap :( |
| 22:44.30 | PaxAnima | heh |
| 22:47.12 | PaxAnima | but what's the value ranges for RGB? is it stored as R + B >> 8 + G >> 16? |
| 22:47.38 | PaxAnima | <<, that is |
| 22:50.37 | mallum_ | r.g.b each range between 0 and 255 |
| 22:51.29 | PaxAnima | hmm... lemme thing |
| 22:51.59 | PaxAnima | think |
| 22:52.18 | PaxAnima | why not use the formula directly? you want to avoid floating point? |
| 22:52.46 | mallum_ | yes |
| 22:52.57 | mallum_ | defiently |
| 22:53.05 | mallum_ | that gets called for every pixel in an image |
| 22:53.07 | jsmanrique | mallum_:is this equation you were giving me: http://www.asturlinux.org/~jsmanrique/eq.html ? |
| 22:53.18 | mallum_ | jsmanrique: dont worry its wrong I think |
| 22:53.33 | jsmanrique | mallum_: ok |
| 22:53.40 | jsmanrique | mallum_: relax |
| 22:54.42 | mallum_ | jsmanrique: ;-) |
| 23:00.38 | pb_ | mallum: do you not just want (((r * 77) + (g * 151) + (b * 28)) >> 12) in that case? |
| 23:03.50 | mallum_ | pb_: probably, where do you get 12 from ? |
| 23:04.15 | pb_ | mallum_: 8 to lose the "extra" factor of 256, and then another 4 to chop the range from 8 bits down to 4. |
| 23:05.41 | mallum_ | pb_: hmm how can equtw that 12 though as the value could be anything ? |
| 23:05.56 | mallum_ | urg |
| 23:06.09 | pb_ | um, can you run that by me again? |
| 23:06.17 | mallum_ | I mean to could be a 8bit or 2bit depth display |
| 23:06.57 | pb_ | oh, I see. Well, you can put the bit depth in there too. |
| 23:08.29 | mallum_ | one sec .. |
| 23:08.54 | pb_ | ie (((r * 77) + (g * 151) + (b * 28)) >> (16 - bpp)) |
| 23:13.10 | jsmanrique | what about the error with the OK button and the png files? |
| 23:13.21 | pb_ | jsmanrique: what error was that? |
| 23:13.48 | pb_ | you mean the effect illustrated in http://handhelds.org/scap/port.3243.png? |
| 23:14.03 | jsmanrique | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.3243.png |
| 23:14.04 | jsmanrique | yes |
| 23:14.26 | pb_ | usually means you either don't have gdk-pixbuf2-loader-png installed, or you need to regenerate /etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders. |
| 23:14.36 | pb_ | try running /usr/lib/ipkg/info/libgtk2.0-0.postinst as a first step |
| 23:15.31 | jsmanrique | pb_: first step after waht? |
| 23:15.37 | jsmanrique | pb_: first step after what? |
| 23:16.52 | pb_ | just as a general first step |
| 23:17.07 | pb_ | i.e. try that first, and if it doesn't work we will think of another plan |
| 23:17.22 | mallum_ | pb_: yeah and thats will give me a value between 0 and num_of_pixels ( eg 4bit is 16 ) ? |
| 23:17.32 | pb_ | mallum_: should do |
| 23:17.50 | pb_ | well, between 0 and (1 << bpp) - 1 in fact, so 0-15 for 4bpp |
| 23:18.39 | mallum_ | pb_: cool, you rule |
| 23:18.49 | mallum_ | pb_: <-- bit shift master ;-) |
| 23:19.02 | mallum_ | <--- bit shift porper |
| 23:19.17 | pb_ | heh |
| 23:20.27 | mallum_ | jsmanrique: can you be around tommorow to test ? |
| 23:20.36 | mallum_ | jsmanrique: my 3100 needs a reflash :( |
| 23:20.44 | jsmanrique | mallum_: what time? |
| 23:20.48 | *** join/#gpe ade|desk2 (~spam-tast@unimatrix.ex.ac.uk) |
| 23:20.59 | ade|desk2 | morning :) |
| 23:21.02 | mallum_ | jsmanrique: whenever I'll be about all day |
| 23:21.06 | pb_ | hi ade |
| 23:21.09 | jsmanrique | mallum_: I am reflashing my h3630 |
| 23:21.21 | ade|desk2 | anyone who about smp |
| 23:21.29 | ade|desk2 | s/who/know |
| 23:21.39 | pb_ | ade|desk2: what about it? |
| 23:22.48 | ade|desk2 | pb_: is it now for a task to bounce from one cpu to the other and no stick to one. my processes are ~60% max cpu as the flip fro one to the other and back again |
| 23:22.58 | ade|desk2 | s/now/normal |
| 23:23.12 | pb_ | ade|desk2: the kernel has some heuristics to try to stop that from happening. |
| 23:23.31 | mallum_ | jsmanrique: I could build an ipkg now, but it will take approx 20 mins to build ... |
| 23:23.37 | ade|desk2 | pb_: hehe yet another hd is dead .. my ibm ide one this time .. i hate disks now |
| 23:23.40 | pb_ | heh |
| 23:23.43 | pb_ | :-/ |
| 23:23.48 | jsmanrique | mallum_: I can wait, no problem |
| 23:23.52 | pb_ | ade|desk2: what kind of processes are you dealing with on the smp machine? |
| 23:23.58 | mallum_ | jsmanrique: okey do it now then ? |
| 23:24.55 | jsmanrique | ook |
| 23:25.06 | jsmanrique | mallum_: some minutes out |
| 23:25.21 | ade|desk2 | pb_: i was trying to max out the cpus with dvd/divx encoding to see what temps this machine is going to, before starting compiling code i _really_ dont want any errors with. |
| 23:25.49 | ade|desk2 | pb_: alas the fps result is less than 1 cpu |
| 23:26.00 | pb_ | suck |
| 23:27.47 | ade|desk2 | pb_: am trying it native to win2k , same result. smp is not looking as good as it should |
| 23:27.59 | ade|desk2 | cpus at 55deg C atm |
| 23:30.17 | ade|desk2 | hitachi are going to enjoy some rather harsh words in email tomorrow. 60 gig of data buggered, only 15 gig backed up :( |
| 23:30.19 | pb_ | ade|desk2: if you think that cpu ping-ponging is the problem, you can try winding up the PROC_CHANGE_PENALTY in asm/smp.h. |
| 23:32.13 | ade|desk2 | pb_: def'ed to 15 .. what do you suggest? |
| 23:32.42 | pb_ | ade|desk2: dunno, I'm not really sure what the units are. Try doubling it and see what happens. |
| 23:34.00 | ade|desk2 | will do .. bbl :) |
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| 23:44.10 | pb_ | hi pigeon |
| 23:49.50 | pigeon | pb_ yo! |
| 23:50.52 | PaxAnima | hi, pigeon |
| 23:51.16 | pigeon | Good morning PaxAnima |
| 23:51.36 | PaxAnima | pigeon: please try my word completion thingy for mbdock... do an ipkg update and ipkg install minipredict |
| 23:51.58 | pigeon | PaxAnima: Ah... |
| 23:52.12 | PaxAnima | works pretty well, from my little testing |
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| 23:57.23 | jsmanrique | back |
| 23:57.50 | mallum_ | jsmanrique: okey still building ... |
| 23:58.24 | jsmanrique | I have problems with the postinst suggestion by pb_ |
| 23:59.55 | jsmanrique | libgcc1.postinst /usr/lib/ipkg/info # ./libgtk2.0-0.postinst Cannot load loader /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.2.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-png.so /usr/lib/ipkg/info # |
