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| 05:54.19 | drkness | hi all.. I'm getting the xserver screen but not the gpe WM |
| 07:04.47 | drkness | guys which packages provides the taskbar for gpe?? |
| 07:05.36 | pigeon | drkness: That will be matchbox, which is the window manager, I think. |
| 07:05.51 | pigeon | As in I think that's what you're after. |
| 07:06.01 | drkness | yup... |
| 07:06.28 | drkness | like can login but then I don't get the taskbar.. just the blank X screen |
| 07:06.37 | drkness | but I can lauch some applications |
| 07:08.30 | drkness | pigeon: have matchbok but doesn't do much... |
| 07:08.43 | pigeon | Hmm is matchbox running? |
| 07:09.03 | drkness | launched it manually... turned the 'X' pointer to an arrow |
| 07:09.14 | pigeon | Hmm matchbox should run mbdock, which provides the stuff you need. |
| 07:09.30 | pigeon | The bottom bar that is. |
| 07:09.54 | drkness | ran that manuallu .. comder why its not launghed by itself |
| 07:10.08 | drkness | s/comder/wonder/ |
| 08:40.08 | moray | I don't think the older versions of matchbox necessarily did start it - but otherwise, it's 'mbstart' (IIRC) that will start it, the window manager itself, and anything else matchbox-related |
| 08:48.01 | drkness | hi moray mbstart starts up but I nee fto do that manually .. |
| 08:48.02 | drkness | any idea which configuration I need to tweak? |
| 08:50.51 | moray | have a look in /etc/X11/Xsession*.d/ - the various scripts in those directories are run at points during X startup (have to go now so can't give details...) |
| 08:55.37 | drkness | thanks moray will do that |
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| 09:27.09 | florian__ | hi all! |
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| 09:46.46 | mallum | hey |
| 09:48.31 | florian__ | mallum: hello... |
| 09:52.04 | mallum | hey florian__ |
| 09:52.11 | mallum | fun on the fam list eh ? |
| 09:53.17 | florian__ | oh yes ;-) |
| 09:53.53 | florian__ | is it possible some of these opie guys are quite childish?! ;-) |
| 09:54.06 | mallum | yeah, its all very silly |
| 09:54.29 | ade|bed | opie developers are 12years old |
| 09:54.36 | florian__ | ;-) |
| 09:54.54 | ade|bed | so they are allowed to be childish |
| 09:55.02 | florian__ | good that there were only a few small comments from us :-) |
| 09:56.17 | mallum | this 'Cliff L. Biffle' weasle has sent private mails to me bleeting how Im being hostile |
| 09:56.31 | mallum | 'I cant help but be hostile to stupid people' |
| 09:56.36 | mallum | I replied |
| 09:56.55 | mallum | ( I didn't really ;-) ) |
| 09:57.12 | florian__ | mayb you should :-) |
| 09:57.24 | florian__ | s/mayb/maybe |
| 09:57.27 | mallum | yeah, Im not gonna even reply |
| 09:57.38 | mallum | the guy is stuck in the world of palms |
| 09:57.44 | ade|out | cya folks |
| 09:57.50 | mallum | bye |
| 09:57.56 | mallum | ade|out: oh I got a new machine |
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| 10:16.43 | mallum | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:16.48 | mallum | no arm today ? |
| 10:16.51 | florian__ | pb_: hello! |
| 10:17.20 | pb_ | hi mallum |
| 10:17.20 | pb_ | nope, back at Nexus H.Q. today. |
| 10:17.24 | pb_ | florian__: yo! |
| 10:17.34 | drkness | pb_: greetings... |
| 10:18.02 | drkness | pb_: heard you're the contact for 3900... can't seem to get gpe working |
| 10:18.15 | mallum | pb_: cool, my new box is working nice now with 2.4 :-) |
| 10:18.24 | drkness | the bootgpe doesn't behave as said on the webpage |
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| 10:24.35 | mallum | pb_: http://www.freedesktop.org/software/dbus/ !!! |
| 10:25.20 | pb_ | drkness: can you be more specific about what fails? |
| 10:25.39 | pb_ | mallum: neat. |
| 10:25.56 | drkness | pb_: after login, I get the Xserver screen.. no wIndow manager no nothing |
| 10:26.14 | pb_ | drkness: you might have to run ldconfig. |
| 10:26.24 | drkness | pb_: also the bootgpe did not contain Xipaq and had to get the package myself |
| 10:26.35 | pb_ | yeah, the bootgpe image is a little bit messed up. |
| 10:26.37 | drkness | pb_: will try.. thanks |
| 10:26.45 | pb_ | normally I recommend that people install bootstrap and then load GPE2 using ipkg. |
| 10:27.19 | drkness | pb_: so it would be ipkg install gpe2?? |
| 10:34.50 | pb_ | right. |
| 10:35.08 | drkness | pb_: thanks will try it out |
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| 11:20.27 | florian__ | bbl |
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| 11:31.42 | py99and | morning all |
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| 13:30.19 | florian | so, back again :-) |
| 13:30.33 | pb_ | hello again :-) |
| 13:31.26 | florian | These opie guys are _very_ childish... |
| 13:33.38 | pb_ | :-/ |
| 13:34.03 | florian | But the reason of the discussion was important, i'm not shure what's better - a installer to choose or different images |
| 13:34.56 | pb_ | Different images seems like the easiest route to me. If you are installing from CF, you get to choose which image to flash in the bootldr. |
| 13:37.25 | florian | yes, but with this someone would need to maintain two or more images and not everyone has a cf jacket |
| 13:37.51 | pb_ | florian: maintaining multiple images isn't difficult, they are built by a script (see handhelds.org/~pb/make-busyboot.3900) |
| 13:38.15 | pb_ | florian: if nelson wants to just maintain the core bootstrap image, and let the Opie and GPE groups build their own respective images, that would be fine. |
| 13:38.48 | pb_ | if you don't have a CF jacket, then you don't really have any choice but to install over serial, and you can select an image at that stage. |
| 13:39.59 | florian | pb_: ok, this would be ok too - but should be clear before next discussion... |
| 13:43.00 | florian | opie guys have found someone who volunteers for maintaining their image ;-) |
| 13:43.44 | florian | instaling via usb would be cool :-) |
| 13:53.30 | pb_ | florian: yeah, NonToxic is working on USB support in the bootldr, but it's not clear how easy it is going to be to make that work. |
| 13:53.38 | pb_ | florian: there isn't much code space left at present. |
| 13:56.54 | florian | pb_: i discussed this with ole a few minutes ago :-) The problem was that we don't know how much work it is to make usb receiving data... |
| 13:59.51 | florian | who is the maintainer of sqlite-ipks? |
| 14:05.28 | florian | ahh, ok - found it |
| 14:17.55 | pb_ | florian: the actual business of receiving data seems to be fairly well under control. I think Joshua has it working. |
| 14:18.44 | florian | pb_: ahh, good |
| 15:39.36 | mallum | pb_: my new box is rulling now :-) |
| 16:14.00 | pb_ | mallum: ah cool. |
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| 16:42.31 | mallum | hey jg |
| 16:42.51 | jg | mallum: hi. |
| 16:48.46 | jg | mallum: how goes it? |
| 16:52.10 | pb_ | jg: g'day |
| 16:52.20 | mallum | jg: yeah, ok trying to get a new matchbox build togeather but wierd bugs keeps creeping in :( |
| 16:52.46 | mallum | jg: got X CVS installed on my new box, now building garnome |
| 16:53.02 | mallum | jg: can build a new kernel in ~5 mins but garnome still takes hours :( |
| 17:05.50 | *** topic/#gpe by mallum -> GPE Palmtop Environment | http://gpe.handhelds.org | list of tasks on the wiki: http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/CurrentThingsToDo | http://europa.debian.org/bugzilla | that's GPE with a G | *New* matchbox 0.4pre - ipkg install http://handhelds.org/~mallum/downloadables/experimental/matchbox_0.4pre.20030116-0_arm.ipk <---- *LOOK* |
| 17:07.39 | jg | mallum: I've never tried garnome: until recently, my laptop didn't have enough disk space free to think about it. I'll be interested in your experience.... |
| 17:09.21 | jg | mallum: I'm in the middle of moving 4.5 gigabytes over my wireless net from my server back to the larger laptop disk I have.... |
| 17:09.24 | jg | takes a while. |
| 17:09.41 | mallum | yeah I can imagine ... |
| 17:09.48 | mallum | yeah garnome is very cool |
| 17:09.49 | jg | But ankle gives strong disincentive to wander up to my office to plug into my switch. |
| 17:11.06 | mallum | jg: I removed OSX from my laptop to make room for it ;-) |
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| 17:15.52 | PaxAnima | mallum: what's new in the mb in topic? |
| 17:19.01 | mallum | PaxAnima: rewritten dock ( though not really noticeable feature wise - but needs testing ), mbmenu improvements ( no keyboard controllable ), um a few misc features, gtk2 apps should come up a little quicker / smoother, misc build/bug fixes |
| 17:19.23 | PaxAnima | ah, maybe try it out, then |
| 17:20.14 | PaxAnima | mallum: could you start on the predictive-word dock app? put some more pressure on me to fix the dictionary system... |
| 17:20.18 | PaxAnima | ;) |
| 17:21.24 | mallum | PaxAnima: I started it a little - is your lib public yet ? |
| 17:21.33 | mallum | PaxAnima: and does it still have glib deps ? |
| 17:21.37 | PaxAnima | mallum: well, as it's not done, no... |
| 17:21.59 | PaxAnima | mallum: need to get some feedback on API calls.. |
| 17:22.01 | pb_ | You know the drill, "release early, release often". |
| 17:22.43 | PaxAnima | mallum: what functions would you need? |
| 17:23.06 | PaxAnima | pb_: "relase late, and relase once" ;) |
| 17:24.54 | mallum | PaxAnima: seems like we have a catch22 ;-) |
| 17:25.17 | mallum | PaxAnima: Id need to play with your lib to start on the toolbar ... |
| 17:25.58 | PaxAnima | mallum: ok.. better start working then (basically some cut'n'paste from the irc input thing) |
| 17:26.52 | florian | bbl |
| 17:29.14 | PaxAnima | mallum: the functions I use for irc input: predict() to suggest a word, cycle() to suggest another word, clear() to clear the dictionary for another word |
| 17:29.42 | mallum | PaxAnima: cool sounds good |
| 17:30.15 | mallum | PaxAnima: maybe prefix them calls with something though - like wordpredictorthingy_predict() |
| 17:30.23 | PaxAnima | mallum: well, they are.. just did the short version ;) |
| 17:30.32 | mallum | heh ;-) |
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| 18:19.30 | PaxAnima | hmm.. and I was about to say something to mallum... :/ |
| 18:19.46 | pb_ | heh. |
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| 19:19.12 | PaxAnima | mallum: got the predictive dictionary done (not tested it yet), but I still need to fix some parts of the underlying dictionary system... |
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| 19:23.24 | florian | hi! |
| 19:23.27 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 19:27.07 | mallum | PaxAnima: cool :-) |
| 19:31.19 | PaxAnima | mallum: if you want to do some code for the dock app while waiting, here's the function declarations: http://v058b.studby.ntnu.no/files/predictive_dictionary.h |
| 19:32.27 | PaxAnima | oh.. need some more functions... |
| 19:43.53 | PaxAnima | mallum: why do you want the dictionary not depending on glib? |
| 19:46.09 | mallum | PaxAnima: well if your only using a hash and a list, there pretty easy to implement yourself and it drops a dependency |
| 19:47.32 | PaxAnima | wel, a point, but most systems comes with glib? |
| 19:48.12 | PaxAnima | but sure, a doubly linked list and a hash table isn't too much work do make |
| 19:48.48 | mallum | yeah but not nesercaraly an embedded system |
| 19:49.01 | PaxAnima | maybe not.. |
| 19:49.48 | mallum | what if some one was using fltk as there toolkit for example, or no toolkit at all |
| 19:50.04 | PaxAnima | I get the point ;) |
| 19:50.29 | mallum | there is hash code in the matchbox source in libmb/hash.c |
| 19:50.46 | PaxAnima | just get a hash table implementation... I should manage to do a list quite easily myself... |
| 19:51.05 | mallum | yeah, you can always cut n paste it out of glib |
| 19:51.33 | PaxAnima | maybe getting it out of glib should be the easiest, unless they do some weird stuff |
| 19:52.45 | mallum | I know the list stuff is pulled out for the startup notification libs and its quite clean |
| 19:53.23 | PaxAnima | the stuff I need to fix is the handling of the compressed dictionary type... the statistical and normal one should be fine... the predictive dictionary uses a statistical and a compressed one.. could changed the last one to a uncomprssed dictionary, if you'd like to test it |
| 20:01.28 | PaxAnima | mallum: where is the libmb src? |
| 20:10.42 | PaxAnima | found it... |
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| 22:20.21 | PaxAnima | mallum: come to think of it. there is no need for an hash table... I use it to get the node for the first word of the different letters, but as long as I use ascii/iso for the strings, I could do with a pointer table of size 256 instead, leaving me with an implementation of doubly linked list to make the dictionary system glib-free |
| 22:22.14 | mallum | cool :-) |
| 22:23.27 | PaxAnima | ... almost... I use it for the compressed dictionary... oh well.. I'll make a simple hash thingy for that part.. |
| 22:24.41 | PaxAnima | maybe I'll just drop the compressed dictionary... saves me a lot of work (as it's the part of the system that's casing me "pain") |
| 23:12.17 | pb_ | mallum: any hotel news? |
| 23:35.11 | florian | good night! |
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