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| 00:56.13 | mallum | hey walters |
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| 14:19.57 | PaxAnima | hmm... all so quiet today.. |
| 14:33.04 | mallum | yeah and yesterday |
| 14:33.11 | mallum | I installed opie on my 3600 |
| 14:33.14 | mallum | MUAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 14:33.53 | mallum | halo time |
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| 14:38.57 | PaxAnima | heh |
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| 16:07.39 | FlyPiper | mallum: OPEE... how you like to jittery stuff?? |
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| 17:37.37 | mallum | hey pb_ |
| 17:37.43 | pb_ | hi mallum |
| 17:37.53 | mallum | pb_: been at arm ? |
| 17:38.02 | pb_ | mallum: yep. |
| 17:38.38 | mallum | pb_: I installed opie on my 3600 last night |
| 17:38.50 | pb_ | mallum: ah, cool |
| 17:39.06 | mallum | pb_: yeah just to see what its resource usage was like compared to X |
| 17:39.49 | mallum | pb_: and to see if it did anything fantastic matchbox / gpe was missing |
| 17:41.56 | pb_ | what was the answer? |
| 17:47.48 | mallum | pretty much the same |
| 17:48.14 | pb_ | righto |
| 17:48.25 | mallum | I need to do some better tests |
| 17:49.01 | mallum | also have you noticed with matchbox and gtk2 apps, the gtk2 app comes up blank first of all and then renders |
| 17:49.28 | mallum | I dont know if thats just gtk2 being slow or something matchbox box is doing wrong |
| 17:49.55 | pb_ | yeah, I dunno either. |
| 17:52.02 | mallum | pb_: Im gonna try and improve it |
| 17:52.38 | pb_ | ok, cool |
| 17:56.24 | mallum | hmm, it dont seem to happen on my desktop |
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| 18:20.43 | mallum | hmm anyone know how long its takes to fly from LA to hawaii ? |
| 18:23.34 | cmarqu | About 4 hours I'd say. Took me a bit longer from SFO. |
| 18:23.40 | cmarqu | (IIRC) |
| 18:24.01 | cmarqu | Does anybody have a screenshot of gpe-nmf or can make one? |
| 18:24.13 | cmarqu | The gstreamer guys want to see it :) |
| 18:30.13 | PaxAnima | gpe-nmf doens't work.. |
| 18:33.52 | cmarqu | Argh. |
| 18:34.43 | PaxAnima | something weird happened the file loading dialogue |
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| 18:40.30 | PaxAnima | who is doing gpe-nmf? |
| 18:40.39 | cmarqu | pb_ |
| 18:41.05 | cmarqu | ibot: logs? |
| 18:41.06 | | http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ |
| 18:41.38 | mallum | cmarqu, PaxAnima: I think pb is waiting for some freetime to give some tlc to gpe-nmf |
| 18:41.53 | mallum | I think it needs to be synced against newer libgpewidget |
| 18:42.23 | PaxAnima | tlc? |
| 18:42.38 | mallum | tender loving care |
| 18:42.44 | PaxAnima | oh ;) |
| 18:44.12 | PaxAnima | things got complicated with the dictionary system when I added compression at runtime.. |
| 18:45.15 | pb_ | cmarqu: you rang? |
| 18:45.26 | cmarqu | pb_: gpe-nmf screenshots! |
| 18:45.27 | pb_ | oh, heh, I see. |
| 18:45.27 | cmarqu | :) |
| 18:45.40 | pb_ | cmarqu: hmm, don't think I have any at the moment. |
| 18:45.53 | pb_ | cmarqu: the new gstreamer'd nmf is not quite as photogenic as the old one yet. |
| 18:46.21 | cmarqu | pb_: Okay, I guess they can wait a whle longer. |
| 18:47.17 | cmarqu | Thomas Vander Stichele want to maybe use a PDA as a frontend for a car stereo. |
| 18:47.29 | pb_ | Right. |
| 18:57.48 | moray | hm, so now do we get a crossposted X vs. FB flamewar? (see the various lists) |
| 18:58.27 | pb_ | yay! |
| 19:18.44 | mallum | moray, pb_: shall I really stir things up ;-) ? |
| 19:20.10 | moray | mallum: well, I'm not sure I should be encouraging that precisely, but some hard data for once would be welcome :) |
| 19:23.10 | mallum | moray: lies, damned lies and statistics |
| 19:24.12 | moray | mallum: I was wondering if we should have one of those 'myths and facts' pages on the GPE website ;) -- (although probably not as it would seem too defensive) |
| 19:32.06 | mallum | moray: yeag good idea |
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| 20:02.39 | seb_ | anyone knows how to switch from Opie to GPE ? |
| 20:04.04 | pb_ | just install the GPE packages, and remove or disable the Opie ones. |
| 20:05.09 | seb_ | is it that simple ? |
| 20:06.33 | pb_ | should be, as far as I know. |
| 20:07.18 | seb_ | OK, I'm trying, I'll let you know |
| 20:08.04 | pb_ | righto. |
| 20:09.23 | mallum | seb_: switch and you'll save the precious life of a kitten |
| 20:09.48 | seb_ | which one is the binary to start GPE |
| 20:09.54 | seb_ | mallum: hehe |
| 20:10.09 | pb_ | seb_: /etc/init.d/gpe-dm start |
| 20:10.54 | seb_ | yeepaah |
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| 20:26.30 | florian | hi all! |
| 20:27.10 | pb_ | hi florian |
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| 20:29.31 | seb_ | hello |
| 20:31.10 | florian | seb_: hi |
| 20:31.55 | seb_ | running an iPaq ? |
| 20:33.07 | florian | not now, but usually... |
| 20:35.53 | mallum | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:09.00 | mallum | moray, pb_: see http://www.handhelds.org/~mallum/opie-vs-gpe.txt |
| 21:09.07 | mallum | thats the output of top compared |
| 21:09.37 | mallum | X loses, but only by a hair |
| 21:21.29 | pb_ | How were you comparing the two sets of output? |
| 21:22.54 | mallum | pb_: just by memory usage |
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| 21:23.14 | mallum | pb_: I'll admit Im no expert on reading the output of top though |
| 21:23.25 | mallum | pb_: total memory usage - cached |
| 21:23.54 | pb_ | mallum: that's not really a fair comparison, because you were using two machines with different amounts of RAM. |
| 21:24.05 | pb_ | mallum: you could try booting the 3870 with mem=32M, which would even it out. |
| 21:24.16 | mallum | pb_: hmm, would that really make a difference to the overall totals though ? |
| 21:24.28 | pb_ | mallum: yes, the kernel will respond to memory pressure by ejecting unused pages. |
| 21:24.34 | mallum | pb_: would the kernel be less conservative with more memory available ? |
| 21:25.13 | mallum | pb_: is there an easy way for me to set mem=32M with out resorting to a serial cable ? |
| 21:25.28 | pb_ | mallum: you can set linuxargs in /boot/params. |
| 21:26.05 | pb_ | mallum: be a bit careful though, because if you set the wrong root= or something the machine will probably not boot and you will need to get the serial cable out. |
| 21:26.25 | mallum | pb_: yeah, is there any way I can see what it is set to ? |
| 21:26.37 | pb_ | mallum: check dmesg, it will echo linuxargs during startup |
| 21:26.43 | mallum | pb_: cool |
| 21:26.55 | mallum | pb_: any other tests I should do whilst Im at it ? |
| 21:27.34 | pb_ | mallum: not that I can think of. |
| 21:27.42 | mallum | pb_: mtdpart=bootldr@0x00000000:0x00040000,root@0x00040000:0x01F80000,asset@0x01FC0000:0x00040000 noinitrd root=/dev/mtdblock1 init=/linuxrc console=ttySA0 look ok ? |
| 21:28.00 | mallum | pb_: plus mem=32M ? |
| 21:28.07 | pb_ | yeah. you don't need the mtdpart= stuff, the bootldr will put that in anyway. just use everything from noinitrd onwards. |
| 21:28.22 | mallum | pb_: cool, had a feeling that might be the case |
| 21:32.37 | mallum | pb_: hm hasnt worked |
| 21:32.46 | pb_ | oh dear. |
| 21:32.54 | pb_ | what went wrong? |
| 21:33.00 | mallum | pb_: oh its booted ok, but it still thinks it has 32M |
| 21:33.04 | mallum | 64M rather |
| 21:33.14 | pb_ | what did you put in /boot/params exactly? |
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| 21:33.18 | mallum | dmesg is missing the mem= |
| 21:33.30 | mallum | ~ # cat /boot/params |
| 21:33.31 | mallum | noinitrd root=/dev/mtdblock1 init=/linuxrc console=ttySA0 mem=32M |
| 21:33.31 | mallum | ~ # |
| 21:33.55 | mallum | pb_: hmm, its somehow got an extra newline ( stupid vi ) |
| 21:33.56 | pb_ | ah, I see. /boot/params is just a list of bootldr commands, so you need something like |
| 21:34.03 | pb_ | set linuxargs "noinitrd root=/dev/mtdblock1 init=/linuxrc console=ttySA0 mem=32M" |
| 21:34.08 | mallum | oh cool |
| 21:38.01 | mallum | pb_: ah yes thats improved things a little |
| 21:44.51 | mallum | pb_: uploaded a new one |
| 21:45.59 | pb_ | ok. btw, you are running Bluetooth and DHCP on the GPE one, and not the Opie version. |
| 21:46.12 | pb_ | also syslogd/klogd |
| 21:46.51 | seb_ | Is it possible to run IP networking over Bluetooth ? |
| 21:46.58 | mallum | seb_: yes |
| 21:47.03 | mallum | pb_: want me to killem off |
| 21:47.20 | pb_ | mallum: well, they're surely consuming some amount of memory. |
| 21:47.39 | seb_ | is there any docs about it |
| 21:47.41 | mallum | pb_: yeah |
| 21:47.52 | seb_ | my bluetooth usb device is working |
| 21:48.05 | pb_ | seb_: I imagine there is some stuff on the bluez web site. |
| 21:48.42 | mallum | seb_: http://bluez.sourceforge.net/contrib/HOWTO-PAN |
| 21:48.51 | seb_ | thx |
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| 21:59.00 | mallum | pb_: uploaded a new one |
| 21:59.28 | pb_ | mallum: righto, cool |
| 22:00.11 | pb_ | oh, I should upload the new session-scripts that gets rid of those stupid Xinit and Xsession processes. |
| 22:02.16 | mallum | pb_: cool |
| 22:02.37 | mallum | pb_: we should hassle sandman to fix them stupid sh's with dont seem to exec |
| 22:02.54 | pb_ | mallum: which ones are those? |
| 22:03.57 | mallum | pb_: they arn't any, I forgot I had an rxvt open on my ipaq ;-) |
| 22:04.13 | pb_ | ah, heh. |
| 22:04.29 | pb_ | I wonder what your process 611 is though. |
| 22:04.58 | mallum | pb_: thats my sh via ssh |
| 22:05.02 | pb_ | ah. |
| 22:06.17 | mallum | pb_: do you think I should make them results public with usual discaimers |
| 22:06.27 | pb_ | mallum: sure. |
| 22:06.42 | mallum | pb_: it puts X in a good light right ? |
| 22:07.03 | mallum | pb_: Its not far off opie |
| 22:07.15 | pb_ | mallum: well, I don't know about actually good, but at least not a bad light. |
| 22:07.48 | pb_ | mallum: given that opie (a) sucks and (b) is written in C++, one might hope that the X+GPE combo would actually be able to do better. :-) |
| 22:08.05 | mallum | pb_: it certainly beats trolltechs's argument of X is too bloated for handhelds |
| 22:08.18 | pb_ | that's true, certainly. |
| 22:09.04 | mallum | pb_: we could free up some more memory possibly, build a barebones matchbox, use gtk1 gpe-login etc |
| 22:09.58 | pb_ | mallum: sure, but I don't think there's much point going overboard. If you start making heroic efforts to shrink the footprint of the X version, the Opie folks will just do the same with theirs and you will end up in some kind of reverse arms race. |
| 22:10.06 | mallum | pb_: also I noticed opie has a startup notification type thing. It like you also has no cursor, but it puts a little hourglass in the dock whilst the app is starting |
| 22:10.16 | mallum | pb_: yeah exactly |
| 22:12.10 | pb_ | It'd be interesting to do some memory profiling of our applications to see where the RAM all goes. I'm a little bit surprised that minivol, for example, has 270k or so unshared. |
| 22:13.12 | mallum | pb_: probably in the oss stuff ? |
| 22:13.32 | mallum | pb_: but yeah that'd be a really good idea |
| 22:13.38 | pb_ | mallum: yeah, could be. |
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| 22:24.57 | florian | good night |
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| 22:45.18 | mallum | pb_: I think I'll save my X-vs-opie memory usage findings for another time |
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| 22:45.26 | pb_ | mallum: righto |
| 22:45.29 | pb_ | dc_ibook: good evening |
| 22:45.34 | mallum | pb_: I dont think there all that relevant for that thread anyway |
| 22:45.40 | PaxAnima | evening, dc_ibook |
| 22:45.46 | mallum | pb_: and I dont want to start a complete full on war |
| 22:46.08 | pb_ | mallum: aww, you're no fun. |
| 22:46.15 | mallum | pb_: gettin old |
| 22:46.20 | dc_ibook | pb_, PaxAnima, mallum: evening :) |
| 22:46.30 | mallum | dc_ibook: hey |
| 22:46.53 | dc_ibook | pb_: what's mallum upto ;] |
| 22:47.09 | mallum | dc_ibook: http://www.handhelds.org/~mallum/opie-vs-gpe.txt |
| 22:47.26 | PaxAnima | dc_ibook: taking some time with the latest irc input... compression at runtime gave me some trouble, but it's as fast as ever (and I fixed a "bug"; forgot that the string I get from the entry is UTF8 encoded) |
| 22:48.15 | mallum | dc_ibook: basically opie uses only slightly less memory than GPE and it'll wouldn't be all that hard to make it go the other way round |
| 22:48.39 | dc_ibook | ah cool |
| 22:49.01 | dc_ibook | mallum: so, no mention of the kittens in your document though? |
| 22:50.17 | mallum | dc_ibook: no, no kittens |
| 22:50.34 | dc_ibook | damn, oh well. |
| 22:50.43 | mallum | dc_ibook: btw I fixed up a load of stuff with mbmenu re your suggestions, bug discoverys etc |
| 22:50.53 | mallum | dc_ibook: its also controllable via the keyboard now |
| 22:51.25 | dc_ibook | mallum: oh wow. |
| 22:51.40 | dc_ibook | mallum: that should make it alot quicker to use ;D |
| 22:51.44 | mallum | dc_ibook: but no hotel yet |
| 22:52.04 | mallum | dc_ibook: this one came up -> http://www.atlas-hotel.be/ |
| 22:52.13 | dc_ibook | :\ |
| 22:52.15 | mallum | dc_ibook: 70 euro's per night for a single room |
| 22:52.26 | mallum | dc_ibook: and its apparently closer than the ibis |
| 22:52.40 | mallum | dc_ibook: yeah notice my laziness |
| 22:52.46 | dc_ibook | mallum: how 'close' is 'close'? |
| 22:52.53 | pb_ | mallum, dc_ibook: btw, I made a booking with eurotunnel |
| 22:52.59 | mallum | pb_: excellent |
| 22:53.04 | dc_ibook | pb_: great. |
| 22:53.05 | mallum | pb_: goody 2 shoes |
| 22:53.11 | dc_ibook | pb_: what was the end price? |
| 22:53.14 | pb_ | mallum: you should probably let me know your date of birth, criminal record etc, so I can negotiate with my insurance people. |
| 22:53.25 | pb_ | dc_ibook: £107, seems to have gone up ten quid since I looked last. |
| 22:54.02 | dc_ibook | right well, that's no problem I guess. |
| 22:54.12 | mallum | pb_: oh 16/11/74 - criminal record - none, no points on license |
| 22:54.18 | pb_ | mallum: ok, cool |
| 22:54.37 | dc_ibook | pb_: I guess I'll fit in the boot then |
| 22:54.48 | mallum | pb_: I got 120Mph out of a mini metro vandan plas once |
| 22:54.57 | mallum | pb_: it was down hill obviously |
| 22:55.03 | pb_ | dc_ibook: well, I considered that, but at the moment I plan to take the car with four seats. |
| 22:55.41 | dc_ibook | pb_: ah cool. |
| 22:55.47 | dc_ibook | :D |
| 22:55.50 | pb_ | dc_ibook: only other option would be to take a small trailer for you to sit in, but the tunnel charges extra for that ;-) |
| 22:56.12 | dc_ibook | mallum: you don't happen to have, like, a spare airport card that I could use it the event, sitting by your side? |
| 22:56.30 | dc_ibook | pb_: oh well... |
| 22:56.45 | mallum | dc_ibook: you want wireless on your ibook for the trip ? |
| 22:57.29 | mallum | dc_ibook, pb_: what do you think of that hotel ? |
| 22:57.56 | dc_ibook | mallum: well, it'd be nice to have it at the event :] |
| 22:58.10 | mallum | pb_: could we not put dc on a skateboard and tow him ? |
| 22:58.27 | pb_ | mallum: genius, hadn't thought of that. |
| 22:58.36 | pb_ | mallum: let me check the hotel site |
| 22:58.54 | mallum | dc_ibook: ok, I'll bring a screwdriver and a wavelan card - if you need it we'll rip the card out of my tibook and I can use the pcmcia |
| 22:59.54 | mallum | pb_: alternatively I saw they had usb wireless things in PC world for 40 quid |
| 23:00.00 | dc_ibook | mallum: oh wow. that'd be really good :)) |
| 23:00.29 | mallum | s/pb/dc_ibook/ |
| 23:00.31 | dc_ibook | mallum: ooh+ |
| 23:00.31 | dc_ibook | ? |
| 23:00.31 | dc_ibook | a |
| 23:00.32 | dc_ibook | mallum: like, compatible ones? |
| 23:00.41 | mallum | dc_ibook: not sure didn't check it out enough |
| 23:00.47 | pb_ | mallum: yeah, they're getting pretty cheap nowadays. |
| 23:00.57 | mallum | dc_ibook: you not have the money to get an airport card before the event ? |
| 23:02.05 | dc_ibook | mallum: hrm, how much are they, 80 pounds? |
| 23:02.54 | pb_ | dc_ibook: less than that I think, about 60 now |
| 23:02.59 | dc_ibook | wow. |
| 23:03.03 | dc_ibook | well yes. |
| 23:03.08 | dc_ibook | I guess I could defnelty order one. |
| 23:03.16 | dc_ibook | pb_: where from ;)? |
| 23:03.23 | mallum | dc_ibook: well dont worry, if need be we can pull the one out of mine if we have to |
| 23:03.45 | pb_ | dc_ibook: store.apple.com |
| 23:03.51 | mallum | dc_ibook: Im only wary as it was so scary taking this thing apart before - but with pb at hand it shouldn't be a problem |
| 23:04.00 | pb_ | dc_ibook: regular airport is £59; the "extreme" one is £79. |
| 23:04.31 | pb_ | dc_ibook: I expect you can probably buy them locally for about the same price. |
| 23:04.51 | dc_ibook | not that there are any 'local' places where I live. |
| 23:05.01 | pb_ | dc_ibook: well no, aside from that. |
| 23:05.57 | mallum | local shops for local people |
| 23:06.14 | mallum | are we all gonna have macs then ? |
| 23:06.25 | mallum | when we go belgum |
| 23:06.41 | dc_ibook | I guess :} |
| 23:06.41 | pb_ | looks that way. |
| 23:07.24 | mallum | cool |
| 23:09.12 | PaxAnima | Mac-freaks... ;) |
| 23:10.39 | pb_ | hrm |
| 23:10.46 | pb_ | gpe-nmf seems to be broken again, suck. |
| 23:11.00 | PaxAnima | pb_: what's witht the Add file dialog? |
| 23:11.08 | pb_ | PaxAnima: can you be any more specific? |
| 23:11.08 | PaxAnima | -r |
| 23:11.41 | PaxAnima | pb_: well, it just looked awfull and was imposible to use, due the fact that the dicrectory listen was 1 line high, etc. |
| 23:11.51 | PaxAnima | listen = listing |
| 23:12.02 | pb_ | PaxAnima: it's just a regular GtkFileSelection. |
| 23:12.24 | PaxAnima | no... |
| 23:12.35 | pb_ | yes. |
| 23:12.57 | PaxAnima | oh, yes, but it's too tiny.. let me do a scap |
| 23:13.17 | pb_ | yeah, I know what it looks like, my point was that it isn't really a problem with NMF itself. |
| 23:13.26 | pb_ | it needs to be fixed in gtk. |
| 23:13.27 | mallum | dc_ibook: oh do you have simcity for the snes9x ? |
| 23:13.54 | PaxAnima | pb_: ok.. but it looked OK before last upgrade |
| 23:14.04 | mallum | pb_: has my patch gone astray ? |
| 23:14.14 | mallum | thats improved things a little |
| 23:14.22 | pb_ | mallum: not sure, it's possible. |
| 23:14.33 | pb_ | PaxAnima: yes, it used to use the now-defunct libgpewidget file selector. |
| 23:15.04 | mallum | PaxAnima: do it have 1 or 2 panes ? |
| 23:15.30 | dc_ibook | mallum: yes, somewhere. |
| 23:15.53 | mallum | dc_ibook: is it playable without a joystick ? |
| 23:16.02 | dc_ibook | mallum: you missed my rom grab last month |
| 23:16.32 | dc_ibook | mallum: I found some iddiot was storing roms on my server. |
| 23:16.44 | dc_ibook | mallum: so I donwloaded them all, and barred his acocunt ;) |
| 23:16.54 | mallum | dc_ibook: your server ? |
| 23:17.00 | PaxAnima | mallum: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.9029.png |
| 23:17.33 | dc_ibook | mallum: geekserve.org :} |
| 23:17.44 | mallum | PaxAnima: set a smaller font !!! |
| 23:17.46 | dc_ibook | mallum: my one in the US :/ |
| 23:17.58 | PaxAnima | mallum: I haven't touched a thing, but yes, the fonts are huge |
| 23:18.07 | PaxAnima | how do I change it? |
| 23:18.37 | mallum | PaxAnima: in your .gtkrc-2.0 |
| 23:18.44 | dc_ibook | the padding sized need to be changed :/ |
| 23:18.51 | dc_ibook | one that fileselector. |
| 23:18.59 | dc_ibook | not that it's worth doing so :] |
| 23:19.05 | PaxAnima | mallum: any examples? doens't seem to have one |
| 23:19.15 | dc_ibook | right |
| 23:19.17 | dc_ibook | sleep for me |
| 23:19.21 | mallum | PaxAnima: gnot at hand |
| 23:19.35 | dc_ibook | I'll make sure I order a card tomorrow :D |
| 23:19.36 | mallum | PaxAnima: google ? |
| 23:19.44 | mallum | dc_ibook: g'night |
| 23:20.41 | pb_ | PaxAnima: xst write Gtk/FontName str "Verdana 7" |
| 23:20.52 | pb_ | or whatever |
| 23:21.07 | PaxAnima | pb_: thanks, I'll try it |
| 23:22.08 | PaxAnima | well, it got a bit better, but the buttons are still huge |
| 23:22.09 | PaxAnima | the "OK" and "cancel" |
| 23:22.23 | PaxAnima | by "better" I mean I can se two lines in the list, not one :/ |
| 23:22.59 | mallum | PaxAnima: if you minimise gpe-nmf it'll get bigger |
| 23:23.11 | PaxAnima | mallum: yup.. just realised it ;) |
| 23:23.53 | mallum | cool |
| 23:23.55 | PaxAnima | should have a more custom dialog for it? |
| 23:24.20 | PaxAnima | still a lot of space to save... |
| 23:24.34 | mallum | PaxAnima: your free to work more on it |
| 23:24.51 | mallum | PaxAnima: the plan is to keep it api compat with the 'normal' one |
| 23:25.07 | PaxAnima | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.20968.png |
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| 23:25.38 | mallum | PaxAnima: we could move the ok / cancel buttons into the window title bar ( like opie ) but Im not really a fan of that |
| 23:25.45 | mallum | PaxAnima: it'd save soem space though |
| 23:25.56 | PaxAnima | by moving the combo to the top toolbar and drop the padding on the buttons, you should get good enough space.. |
| 23:26.23 | PaxAnima | or remove all padding, rather |
| 23:26.38 | mallum | PaxAnima: yeah, I think the patch is in CVS if you want to play |
| 23:26.59 | mallum | PaxAnima: remember them buttons at the top are optional |
| 23:27.37 | PaxAnima | but doesn't the "+" add files from the list? |
| 23:28.06 | mallum | I dont remember |
| 23:28.54 | PaxAnima | oh, it's "Create folder" |
| 23:29.01 | PaxAnima | gues the whole toolbar could be dropped, then |
| 23:30.31 | PaxAnima | mallum: as for changing stuff: I actuall don't know CVS, or have learned all the black magic and witchcraft of gtk2 yet... |
| 23:31.05 | mallum | PaxAnima: pb can turn that off in gpe-nmf |
| 23:31.41 | pb_ | It'd be nice to have the default for that as a style property, I think. |
| 23:33.39 | PaxAnima | pb_: yes, but it should be off, IMHO |
| 23:34.00 | PaxAnima | and why are the "OK"/"Cancel" buttons so gruesomly huge? |
| 23:34.09 | pb_ | PaxAnima: no idea, you would have to read the code. |
| 23:35.20 | PaxAnima | ( "Gruesome" is a word of nordic heritage, BTW;) |
| 23:35.55 | pb_ | mallum: so, you gonna book that hotel? |
| 23:36.09 | pb_ | mallum: or are we still on the lookout for better deals? |
| 23:37.37 | PaxAnima | my suggestions to making the dialog more userfriendly (and not needing to minmise gpe-nmf): remove the toolbar, have the quick list and ok/cancel buttons on the same toolbar... IMHO (again) |
| 23:37.57 | pb_ | PaxAnima: wanna file a bug against gtk? |
| 23:38.07 | PaxAnima | where/how? |
| 23:38.19 | pb_ | bugs.gnome.org I think, should be details on www.gtk.org. |
| 23:39.04 | PaxAnima | so the plan is to use the default GTK dialog for it? |
| 23:39.10 | pb_ | yes. |
| 23:39.58 | PaxAnima | hmm... all the people at #gtk hates me... better not leave my nickname when filing the "bug"... ;) |
| 23:40.28 | pb_ | heh, right. |
| 23:40.46 | PaxAnima | is it correct to file it with bugzilla? it isn't a "bug" in the normal sense... |
| 23:42.52 | pb_ | what d'you mean? |
| 23:43.27 | PaxAnima | well, isn't bugzilla for bugs, not improvements? |
| 23:43.49 | pb_ | no, you can put feature requests there also. |
| 23:44.26 | pb_ | in any case, I would count the absence of a style property for these things as a bug. |
| 23:45.57 | PaxAnima | how "style property"? change the appearance of the dialog? |
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| 23:47.45 | pb_ | suck |
| 23:47.51 | pb_ | irssi grabbed my mouse and wouldn't let go. |
| 23:48.00 | PaxAnima | oh? |
| 23:48.26 | pb_ | luckily, it happened while focus was still in the input box, so I was able to type "/quit" and get control back. |
| 23:48.45 | PaxAnima | heh |
| 23:48.54 | PaxAnima | never experienced that |
| 23:49.43 | pb_ | normally when that happens, I end up attempting to switch to a text VC, remembering too late that the nvidia drivers don't like that, and crashing the machine altogether. So, quite a good result as these things go. |
| 23:50.40 | PaxAnima | what irssi version do you have? |
| 23:50.55 | pb_ | dunno, latest from debian unstable I guess. |
| 23:50.59 | PaxAnima | ok |
| 23:57.57 | PaxAnima | oh well... time to get some sleeeeep |
| 23:58.01 | PaxAnima | good night |
