| 00:00.08 | dc__ | :\ |
| 00:00.44 | spung | pb_: hmm, should i _try_ to tweak the Makefile? |
| 00:00.49 | pb_ | spung: sure. |
| 00:01.21 | spung | pb_: if you can do it in 5 min :D i'll probably take 5 hours ;) |
| 00:01.46 | pb_ | dc__: could you put the changelog back the way it was, and add an entry manually? |
| 00:02.14 | dc__ | right... |
| 00:02.26 | pb_ | dc__: thanks :-) |
| 00:02.39 | mallum | __moray: I think somebody posted it to the gpe list a while back |
| 00:03.36 | mallum | dc__: I use cvs2cl.pl too, what lazy no-goods we are ;-) |
| 00:04.11 | dc__ | mallum: hehe, yep |
| 00:05.43 | mallum | dc__: I should start doing proper changelogs, emacs has a function for it |
| 00:06.05 | dc__ | mallum: oh? |
| 00:06.22 | spung | pb_: should the lib get into a different package? |
| 00:06.25 | __moray | dc__: there's changelog-editing stuff that makes entries of the right format for you |
| 00:07.04 | __moray | dc__: M-x add-change-log-entry (e.g.) |
| 00:07.23 | spung | dc__: you DO use emacs, right? |
| 00:07.24 | spung | :) |
| 00:07.39 | __moray | spung: (oh, some people don't?) |
| 00:07.39 | dc__ | yes... |
| 00:07.46 | dc__ | heh |
| 00:08.59 | spung | __moray: some people don't use emacs as their shell.. :\ |
| 00:09.03 | pb_ | spung: eventually, yeah. |
| 00:09.18 | pb_ | dc__: in emacs, C-x 4 a |
| 00:09.45 | spung | pb_: i sense a big mess, guess it's easier to make a new module no? packaging, translations, etc... |
| 00:10.01 | pb_ | spung: ok. |
| 00:11.17 | spung | does libeventdb.so sound good? |
| 00:11.25 | pb_ | spung: sounds good to me. |
| 00:11.36 | spung | pb_: would it sound good no nils? :D |
| 00:11.43 | spung | s/no/to |
| 00:12.29 | __moray | spung: I think nils would object to libwhenwasit.so, but not to that probably |
| 00:12.45 | spung | whenwasit? lol |
| 00:17.33 | spung | pb_: could you commit the patch? |
| 00:17.47 | __moray | hm |
| 00:17.52 | __moray | #0 0x4063c285 in gdk_x11_atom_to_xatom () from /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 |
| 00:17.52 | __moray | #1 0x40040e5f in gpe_what_init () from /usr/local/lib/libgpewidget.so.1 |
| 00:17.52 | __moray | #2 0x6f6d2f65 in ?? () |
| 00:18.08 | __moray | (SIGSEGV) |
| 00:18.39 | pb_ | spung: ok. |
| 00:18.46 | __moray | (on my desktop, which was just updated to new GTK packages) |
| 00:20.40 | pb_ | spung: it's in. |
| 00:20.43 | pb_ | moray_: bizarre. |
| 00:21.07 | __moray | pb_: I'm trying a recompile of libgpewidget etc. in case it goes away |
| 00:21.12 | pb_ | __moray: right. |
| 00:22.00 | __moray | pb_: nope, same problem :/ |
| 00:22.21 | __moray | oh, actually (...) |
| 00:22.21 | pb_ | __moray: oh dear. |
| 00:22.29 | pb_ | __moray: can you do a build with debug on? |
| 00:23.02 | __moray | pb_: am doing now |
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| 00:37.33 | spung | cc -DPREFIX=\"/usr/local\" -DPACKAGE=\"libeventdb\" -D_GNU_SOURCE -Wall -fPIC -Os -fomit-frame-pointer -MD -I. -I../libgpewidget -c -o event-db.o event-db.c |
| 00:37.36 | spung | In file included from gpe/event-db.h:13, |
| 00:37.39 | spung | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:37.41 | spung | /usr/include/glib.h:66: glibconfig.h: No such file or directory |
| 00:37.44 | spung | wha? |
| 00:38.15 | spung | ah |
| 00:38.19 | spung | hmm |
| 00:38.27 | spung | wrong glib.h ? |
| 00:39.06 | pb_ | need pkg-config --cflags glib-2.0 in CFLAGS |
| 00:39.12 | spung | pb_: cool |
| 00:40.19 | spung | pb_: should i add support for gtk1.2 = |
| 00:40.32 | pb_ | spung: I wouldn't bother. |
| 00:40.53 | pb_ | spung: recent gpe-calendar won't compile with gtk1 any more. |
| 00:41.15 | spung | pb_: i won't :) btw, what's the name of the glib package so that i add to the depends just in case libglib ? |
| 00:41.37 | pb_ | spung: libglib2.0-0 |
| 00:46.25 | spung | pb_: well, the Makefile is not quite working can i commit and you have a look :D |
| 00:46.40 | pb_ | spung: sure, go for it. |
| 00:50.57 | spung | pb_: ok, i think it's in |
| 00:51.54 | pb_ | spung: you were missing the grave accents around the pkg-config stuff. I checked in a fix. |
| 00:52.14 | spung | ah, pretty lame :D |
| 00:52.48 | pb_ | btw, you should probably make the soname libeventdb.so.0, not just .so. |
| 00:53.43 | spung | commited |
| 00:53.55 | pb_ | cool |
| 00:54.53 | spung | pb_: i took this makefile from libgpewidget, any reason why it has it's own ipkg/dpkg targets and doesn't use build/Makefile.* ? |
| 00:55.43 | pb_ | spung: no, I guess it just predates the build/* stuff. |
| 00:56.04 | spung | i'll change that too |
| 00:56.11 | pb_ | great. |
| 00:57.08 | spung | ./usr/lib/ |
| 00:57.09 | spung | ./usr/lib/libeventdb.so.0 |
| 00:57.22 | spung | shouldn't there be a link to libeventdb.so or something? |
| 00:57.31 | pb_ | no, that's only needed when compiling. |
| 00:57.42 | spung | cool |
| 01:01.06 | mallum | does this mean I can link mbdesktop into the calender now ? |
| 01:01.40 | spung | mallum: hmm, will you be adding something like gpe-today to mbdesktop? |
| 01:02.37 | spung | mallum: it's pretty much ready to be embedded somewhere i now handles transparency in a cool way |
| 01:02.50 | spung | just need to clean up calendar.c |
| 01:02.51 | dc__ | hehe |
| 01:04.29 | pb_ | night guys |
| 01:04.41 | dc__ | me too |
| 01:04.44 | dc__ | night pb_ |
| 01:04.48 | dc__ | night guys :] |
| 01:04.56 | __moray | night pb, dc |
| 01:05.12 | mallum | gnight |
| 01:05.24 | dc__ | mallum: night :) |
| 01:05.44 | mallum | spung: I was thinking of adding a simple line of text below the 'home' title in mbdesktop |
| 01:06.05 | spung | mallum: like the next event? |
| 01:06.13 | mallum | spung: saying XXX events today or summin, that when clicked would launch the calender |
| 01:06.29 | mallum | spung: yeah I hadn't really thought much about it |
| 01:06.43 | spung | mallum: that'd be cool, any chance of embedding gpe-today in mbdesktop? |
| 01:07.12 | mallum | spung: yeah possible, I need to build in support for it to reparent windows |
| 01:07.15 | spung | mallum: but yes, i think libeventdb is ready :D |
| 01:07.28 | mallum | cool ;-) |
| 01:08.41 | spung | mallum: haven't tested it yet tho, i'll do that tomorrow ;) |
| 01:16.18 | spung | well, good night |
| 01:18.18 | mallum | g'night |
| 01:19.39 | spung | actually, i think i'll make just one more patch to gpe-calendar and send it to pb_ |
| 01:19.43 | spung | it'll be a record :D |
| 01:20.07 | spung | maybe this year i won't be regarded as lazy :D |
| 01:31.46 | mallum | woohoo, I've managed to get the gtk2 xine binding from totem to just about work ;-) |
| 01:32.09 | spung | hurray (/me pretends to understand) |
| 01:32.14 | spung | :) |
| 01:32.39 | mallum | xine is a movie player |
| 01:32.43 | mallum | xine.sf.net |
| 01:32.53 | mallum | the opie guys use it for there video player |
| 01:33.08 | spung | yeah, that i know :) say monty python with it the other day? |
| 01:33.15 | spung | mallum: ahh, and we'll be using it then? |
| 01:33.23 | spung | mallum: what's -ldm ? |
| 01:33.39 | spung | oh nevermind |
| 01:34.25 | spung | mallum: can you compile gpe/base/libdm ? |
| 01:35.27 | mallum | one sec |
| 01:35.27 | spung | i can't compile gpe-calendar because of that :| |
| 01:37.36 | mallum | spung: yeah compiles for me |
| 01:38.10 | mallum | spung: you probably need gtk2.2 for it to work |
| 01:38.31 | spung | mallum: probably, any gtk2.2 debs around? |
| 01:38.53 | mallum | spung: not that I know of, I just whack it over the top seems ok |
| 01:39.22 | mallum | spung: alternatively libdm looks pretty simple you could turn mode of the calls into stubs |
| 01:40.16 | mallum | spung: the library looks like its there to aid display migration |
| 01:40.25 | spung | yeah |
| 01:43.37 | __moray | just commenting out everything would probably work fine for now... |
| 01:43.53 | hunterkll | heh |
| 01:46.50 | spung | mallum: wanna try a patch for gpe-calendar? |
| 01:47.18 | mallum | spung: not at the mo Im afraid, I have to go to bed in a mo :( |
| 01:47.29 | spung | __moray: ? :D |
| 01:57.51 | hunterkll | hey |
| 01:57.56 | hunterkll | can someone help me? |
| 01:58.03 | hunterkll | erm |
| 01:58.09 | hunterkll | Upgrading zlib1g from 1:1.1.3-14 to 1:1.1.4-1 |
| 01:58.09 | hunterkll | dpkg: No such file or directory |
| 01:58.09 | hunterkll | You must upgrade dpkg before installing this package. |
| 01:58.09 | hunterkll | pkg_run_script: `/tmp/ipkg-QF8dSb/zlib1g-fHb9Hm/preinst upgrade 1:1.1.3-14' fail |
| 01:58.09 | hunterkll | ed: No such file or directory. |
| 01:58.09 | hunterkll | Aborting installation of zlib1g |
| 01:58.17 | hunterkll | what does it want dpkg for? |
| 01:58.39 | spung | hunterkll: i was going to ask the same think to you :D do you have gtk+2.0 ? |
| 01:58.41 | spung | hunterkll: i was going to ask the same think to you :D do you have gtk+2.2 ? |
| 01:58.43 | spung | 2.2 :D |
| 01:58.51 | hunterkll | lol |
| 02:00.04 | hunterkll | do i need zlibg for teh mediaplayer? |
| 02:02.40 | hunterkll | wait... |
| 02:02.45 | hunterkll | zlibg is preinstalled! |
| 02:03.06 | hunterkll | :) |
| 02:11.44 | spung | well, seems to work |
| 02:11.46 | spung | bed now |
| 02:11.51 | mallum | cool |
| 02:11.55 | spung | must sleep *yawn* |
| 02:12.28 | spung | mallum: you can link it :) want to write a tutorial for the lib while you're at it :D eheh |
| 02:12.34 | spung | deja vu |
| 02:13.13 | spung | i'm glad you made me write that thing for xkbd because i don't remember how to do that anymore |
| 02:13.55 | mallum | ;-) |
| 02:15.17 | spung | ok, patch sent.. good night guys |
| 02:15.40 | hunterdie | gah |
| 02:15.44 | hunterdie | STUPID OPIE |
| 02:15.46 | mallum | g'night |
| 02:15.54 | hunterdie | mplayer2 requires xine librarys |
| 02:16.04 | hunterdie | but its not a depandancy ! |
| 02:16.08 | hunterdie | mediaplayer2 |
| 02:16.18 | mallum | hunterdie: is there libxine ipkg ? |
| 02:16.37 | spung | mallum: i think there is a xine(!) ipkg! |
| 02:16.46 | spung | too |
| 02:16.54 | mallum | spung: yeah but I dont get a libxine one |
| 02:17.06 | hunterdie | its xine! |
| 02:17.12 | hunterdie | silly |
| 02:17.16 | hunterdie | the pkg is xine heh |
| 02:17.25 | hunterdie | but its not a dependancy :( |
| 02:17.37 | spung | mallum: well, Debian ARM pool is your friend :D |
| 02:17.55 | hunterdie | lol |
| 02:18.05 | hunterdie | my dad has a 256 cf card he gave me |
| 02:18.11 | hunterdie | but i dont have a cf sleive! |
| 02:18.15 | hunterdie | :9 |
| 02:18.15 | mallum | spung: the debian xine lib is not recent enough |
| 02:18.17 | hunterdie | :( |
| 02:18.24 | spung | must remember to tell pb_ to put his deb_to_ipkg script in CVS! |
| 02:18.29 | mallum | spung: also I need to pull out a load of crap from it |
| 02:18.33 | hunterdie | mallum: ipkgfind.handhelds.org |
| 02:18.35 | hunterdie | heh |
| 02:18.36 | hunterdie | xine |
| 02:18.45 | mallum | spung: I think the opie guys have an already optimised one |
| 02:18.52 | spung | yeah |
| 02:18.56 | spung | i was going to say that |
| 02:18.58 | spung | try the opie feed |
| 02:19.19 | mallum | do you know the url ? |
| 02:19.35 | hunterdie | uhhh |
| 02:20.25 | spung | http://131.152.105.154/feeds/ipaq/unstable/ |
| 02:20.38 | spung | i think |
| 02:20.55 | hunterdie | http://handhelds.org/download/feeds/opie-unstable/ |
| 02:21.00 | hunterdie | opie unstable |
| 02:21.21 | mallum | cool thx |
| 02:21.31 | spung | http://opie.handhelds.org/packages.html |
| 02:21.32 | spung | :) |
| 02:21.35 | hunterdie | LOL |
| 02:22.05 | hunterdie | xine wants libpng2 |
| 02:22.08 | hunterdie | i have libpng3 |
| 02:22.10 | hunterdie | :) |
| 02:25.04 | mallum | opie-mediaplayer-codecs_0.5.5 has libxine |
| 02:26.20 | hunterdie | i installed it |
| 02:26.24 | hunterdie | but xine wasnt there |
| 02:26.53 | hunterdie | wait |
| 02:28.54 | hunterdie | ./opt/QtPalmtop/bin/opieplayer2: error while loading shared libraries: libxine.so.1: cannot open shared object file: Error 9 |
| 02:29.27 | mallum | hunterdie: does /opt/lib/linxine exist ? |
| 02:29.45 | hunterdie | lemme chk again |
| 02:29.51 | spung | http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/oz_website//content/shots/opie/oz_pic_5.png |
| 02:29.52 | spung | ah |
| 02:29.56 | spung | i want this in gpe |
| 02:29.59 | spung | i love this game |
| 02:30.12 | spung | echo "bounce" >> todo-list |
| 02:30.19 | hunterdie | lol |
| 02:30.32 | hunterdie | > |
| 02:30.37 | hunterdie | how do i stop that? |
| 02:31.12 | hunterdie | /opt # cd lib' |
| 02:31.13 | hunterdie | > |
| 02:31.32 | hunterdie | i'll reboot using opie's shutdown control thigny |
| 02:32.38 | hunterdie | neone alive? |
| 02:32.47 | hunterdie | ? |
| 02:33.23 | hunterdie | <mallum> hunterdie: does /opt/lib/linxine exist ? <-- shouldnt it be /opt/qtpalmtop/lib? |
| 02:34.41 | hunterdie | no go on that file |
| 02:36.43 | spung | hunterdie: dude.. get rid of the ' after the lib |
| 02:36.44 | spung | doh |
| 02:37.13 | spung | CONTROL+D |
| 02:37.14 | spung | :) |
| 02:38.07 | mallum | hunterdie: yeah whatever, you know this is #gpe, not #opie ... |
| 02:38.23 | hunterdie | lol |
| 02:38.26 | hunterdie | heh |
| 02:38.27 | hunterdie | but |
| 02:38.31 | hunterdie | no it dsont exist |
| 02:38.42 | hunterdie | i'll just d/l the file and throw it in manually |
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| 09:57.35 | mallum | hey |
| 09:58.35 | ade|desk | lo |
| 10:09.30 | mallum | hey ade|desk |
| 10:09.55 | ade|desk | mallum: how goes it ? |
| 10:15.16 | mallum | ade|desk: yeah goob been messing with xine |
| 10:16.32 | ade|desk | mallum: is xine arm friendly ? |
| 10:20.55 | mallum | ade|desk: yeah apparently, the opie ppl use it for there mediaplayer backend |
| 10:21.26 | mallum | ade|desk: I've pulled and stripped down the gtk2 binding from totem and now have this single window that plays dvd's etc |
| 10:21.32 | ade|desk | mallum: the fabled mediaplayer2 lol |
| 10:22.07 | ade|desk | mallum:we getting gpe-xine ?? |
| 10:24.35 | ade|desk | aaaah .. the first time i've ever not seen pb_ on #gpe ..... must be a problem with comms in cambridge |
| 10:26.09 | ade|desk | mallum: do you have a copy of gpe-edit exportable to your desktop for review? ... please try using the enter key on the number pad and see if it gives you a CR. mine gives a space instead |
| 10:27.15 | mallum | ade|desk: what does xev gine you for the enter keys ? you keymap could be wrong |
| 10:29.36 | ade|desk | mallum: well the thing is that i'm using the debian version of gpe-edit on my desktop, and that is the error under x86/unstable. the ket works perfectly for ALL other X client from debian/x86 s |
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| 10:35.13 | ade|desk | thats better pb_ back ... things are normal once again |
| 10:35.48 | pigeon | Heh Hello pb_ |
| 10:37.37 | pb_ | hi pigeon, ade|desk :-) |
| 10:39.23 | ade|desk | pb_: have you tried your gpe-edit under debian/unstable lately ? |
| 10:39.29 | pb_ | ade|desk: nope. |
| 10:40.25 | ade|desk | pb_: seems that the enter key on the numberpad give a space in gpe-edit, yet they same key gives a CR in all other X clients |
| 10:53.09 | pigeon | Which is what gpe uses. |
| 11:06.29 | mallum | pb_: hey |
| 11:06.36 | mallum | pb_: libdm looks nice ;-) |
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| 11:16.52 | pb_ | mallum: ah, you noticed that. |
| 11:17.05 | pb_ | ade|desk: bizarre, I have no idea what would cause that. |
| 11:17.17 | pb_ | ade|desk: but the gpe-edit in debian is old and sucky anyway. |
| 11:17.42 | ade|desk | pb_: is there a gpe-edit2 ? |
| 11:19.08 | mallum | pb_: yeah does it implement more or less what we discussed a while back ? |
| 11:21.51 | pb_ | ade|desk: not at present. |
| 11:22.22 | pb_ | mallum: not sure, I couldn't find the actual details of what we discussed, but I think it should be fairly similar. |
| 11:23.07 | mallum | pb_: I have the log of the discussion somewhere if you want it |
| 11:23.52 | pb_ | yeah, that would be cool. |
| 11:24.03 | mallum | pb_: okie I'll mail you it in a mo |
| 11:24.10 | pb_ | great, thanks. |
| 11:24.13 | mallum | pb_: just building libxine on the cats |
| 11:24.30 | pb_ | also libdm doesn't do any security at the moment, so I probably ought to fix it to not be enabled by default. |
| 11:24.51 | pb_ | probably only turn it on if you set GPE_ENABLE_MIGRATION in the environment, or something like that. |
| 11:25.21 | mallum | pb_: cool, I should try and build my 'x ask on connection' hack |
| 11:25.29 | mallum | pb_: jg took along time warming the dinner |
| 11:25.54 | mallum | pb_: I hacked a very simple gtk2 player out of totem last night |
| 11:26.10 | mallum | pb_: removed the gnome / gconf / etc deps |
| 11:26.31 | pb_ | cool. |
| 11:27.57 | mallum | pb_: I noticed the opie guys are packaging up libxine in opie-mediaplayer2-codecs, I need to find out what there building / patching xine with |
| 11:28.28 | pb_ | right, or get them to make a generic package rather than lumping it in with op2. |
| 11:28.40 | mallum | pb_: yeah that would be ideal |
| 11:29.19 | mallum | pb_: though in there current package they dump in things like libvorbis and of course not the xshm output plugin ;-) |
| 11:30.54 | pb_ | right. |
| 11:32.31 | ade|desk | pb_: gpe-edit2 works fine |
| 11:32.48 | pb_ | ade|desk: ah ok. |
| 11:39.32 | ade|desk | how big is gpe cvs, i have no local copy, only on a remote machine... which is currently down with raid problems ... again |
| 11:43.24 | mallum | hmm, my xine-lib ipkg is 1.3 MB :( |
| 11:43.46 | ade|desk | ug |
| 11:43.58 | pb_ | ade|desk: hmm, dunno, I guess it's getting quite large these days. |
| 11:44.12 | pb_ | ade|desk: I don't have a clean tree to check with, all mine are full of object files. |
| 11:45.36 | ade|desk | ok , ta anyway. i'll have to wait till the lovely people at ITS get their asses in gear and move the disks over to another controller, and then press the on button |
| 11:45.56 | ade|desk | s/asses/arses |
| 11:46.10 | pb_ | right. :-/ |
| 11:47.04 | ade|desk | the only machine with no firewall problems, and its down ..fscking typical |
| 11:50.22 | mallum | ade|desk: fortunatly the ipkg includes _alot_ of stuff we dont need ;-) |
| 11:53.30 | spung | pb_: got my patch? |
| 11:55.35 | pb_ | spung: yeah, haven't looked at it yet though. |
| 12:03.54 | ade|desk | ok just found out that it'll take 4 days to get the array controller changed. could someone pull a cvs zip it and mail it to me please ? |
| 12:05.03 | ade|desk | or post it to web, which i can download from |
| 12:08.07 | spung | ade|desk: gpe's cvs? |
| 12:08.45 | ade|desk | please |
| 12:09.24 | spung | ade|desk: is cvsweb a pain for what you want to do? :D |
| 12:10.28 | ade|desk | spung: pulling an entire tree via cvsweb is crazy |
| 12:10.40 | spung | ade|desk: ok, just a sec :D |
| 12:14.57 | ade|desk | spung: many thanks |
| 12:15.22 | spung | ade|desk: can i use tar.gz ? |
| 12:15.27 | ade|desk | fine |
| 12:16.13 | ade|desk | spung:you can use any method you like bz2 gz Z |
| 12:16.22 | spung | :D |
| 12:16.58 | spung | what about the lossy compression format i once saw on April's fools |
| 12:17.18 | ade|desk | erm ... maybe not |
| 12:17.35 | spung | ls |
| 12:17.41 | spung | wrong console |
| 12:17.41 | spung | :D |
| 12:18.46 | spung | hmm |
| 12:19.26 | spung | 7.7M gpe.tar.bz2 |
| 12:19.32 | ade|desk | cool |
| 12:19.43 | spung | i'll put it in a webpage |
| 12:19.51 | ade|desk | great, many thanks |
| 12:22.42 | spung | http://192.168.1.20/stuff/gpe.tar.bz2 |
| 12:22.53 | spung | huh |
| 12:23.07 | ade|desk | private address? |
| 12:23.39 | spung | make that http://spung.kicks-ass.net/stuff/gpe.tar.bz2 |
| 12:24.32 | ade|desk | many thanks, i hope i dont kill your connection |
| 12:26.12 | pb_ | ade|desk: I guess it would be easy to run a script on hh.org to generate nightly tarballs. |
| 12:27.27 | ade|desk | pb_: would be nice to have the script do a pull rather than tar a cvsroot. that way you dont need to run a cvs server local to then pull it |
| 12:39.04 | ade|desk | spung: graet got it .. many many thanks .. owe you one :) |
| 12:39.16 | ade|desk | s/graet/great |
| 12:39.26 | ade|desk | ls |
| 12:39.28 | spung | ade|desk: you are a slave of mine now :D |
| 12:39.28 | ade|desk | doh |
| 12:40.36 | pb_ | ade|desk: sure, yeah. |
| 12:49.11 | ade|desk | madness |
| 12:50.57 | spung | didn't add the markers with a pen tho, that's for sissies :D |
| 12:51.23 | ade|desk | are they still visable |
| 12:51.38 | spung | yeah |
| 12:51.58 | ade|desk | cheat |
| 12:52.18 | spung | ade|desk: i also play upright bass which has no markers at all so.. :D |
| 12:52.58 | ade|desk | ok ... you're let off .. but just this once |
| 12:53.43 | spung | don't forget you owe me one |
| 12:54.08 | ade|desk | :D |
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| 13:40.55 | dc_ | morning :) |
| 13:40.59 | mallum | hey dc_ |
| 13:41.27 | dc_ | mallum: hey |
| 13:41.42 | dc_ | mallum: get sid to play co-op yet ;] |
| 13:42.00 | pb_ | hi dc_ |
| 13:42.02 | mallum | dc_: yeah I did the other day |
| 13:42.21 | mallum | dc_: she cant play for long though :( makes her feel sick , eyes go funny |
| 13:42.32 | dc_ | pb_: hi |
| 13:42.38 | dc_ | mallum: coool :) |
| 13:42.38 | dc_ | ahhhh |
| 13:42.38 | dc_ | mallum: suck, hehhe. |
| 13:43.17 | mallum | dc_: next time you visit, I'll put it up on the projector ;-) |
| 13:43.37 | dc_ | mallum: awsome! |
| 13:44.18 | dc_ | I see we've had some action on the ml thismorning. |
| 13:46.37 | mallum | dc_: bah directfb |
| 13:47.01 | dc_ | mallum: on my desktop.... |
| 13:47.06 | dc_ | mallum: have you tried.. |
| 13:47.48 | mallum | dc_: no point |
| 13:48.22 | dc_ | mallum: except for transluccent windows! |
| 13:50.19 | mallum | dc_: if I want that I just go startmol -osx |
| 13:50.23 | mallum | ;-) |
| 13:50.35 | dc_ | mallum: =P |
| 13:50.43 | dc_ | hehe |
| 13:51.19 | mallum | dc_: actualy I cant anymore as I nuked my osx partition to make space for garnome |
| 13:51.35 | dc_ | ahh |
| 13:51.50 | dc_ | yeah, I only install os9 for my dad. |
| 13:52.02 | mallum | dc_: does directfb hardware accelerate its transparent windows ? |
| 13:52.24 | dc_ | I guess if your card supports it. |
| 13:53.39 | spung | dc_: make that "if they support your card" :D |
| 13:54.39 | dc_ | spung: hehe, qute. |
| 14:16.12 | spung | pb_: fakeroot make ipkg ... good idea :D |
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| 14:36.47 | dc_ | hey kg |
| 14:36.49 | dc_ | jg :} |
| 14:37.42 | jg | dc_: hi. |
| 14:43.17 | mallum | hey jg |
| 14:43.50 | mallum | jg: did you catch the other day what me and pb were discussing re X Authorisation ? |
| 15:03.32 | pb_ | moray: ah, you made good your escape in the end. |
| 15:04.03 | moray | pb_: apparently so. though I missed the train I was trying to get, so got the slightly slower one. fortunately I wasn't actually in a hurry |
| 15:04.25 | spung | pb_: i'm using librootimage and the code you had in gpe-login but i'm having trouble finding the best signal where to put that code, "mapped" doesn't seem to be what i want nor size_allocate, any idea? :\ |
| 15:04.51 | pb_ | spung: realize, maybe/ |
| 15:04.53 | pb_ | ? |
| 15:05.33 | moray | pb_: with the whole MiniFileSelector thing, what's changed so that we're not bothering with it any more, btw, since apparently I wasn't following? |
| 15:05.57 | pb_ | moray: the one in libgtk works bearably well now, and gtkminifilesel had become a bit of a maintenance liability. |
| 15:06.02 | spung | pb_: i'm having problems with the size of the image it doesn't seem to cut an image with the size of my gpe-window |
| 15:06.29 | moray | pb_: ah fine, I was assuming that kind of thing |
| 15:06.30 | jg | mallum: not in detail. |
| 15:06.31 | pb_ | moray: it kept breaking in hard-to-debug ways, and there didn't seem much point in maintaining a widget that effectively duplicated the "big gtk" fileselector. |
| 15:06.37 | moray | pb_: indeed |
| 15:07.46 | moray | pb_: although eventually we, just like GTK, could possibly do with a friendlier fileselector - but maybe they'll get round to fixing that eventually.. |
| 15:08.23 | mallum | jg: we were basically discussing some sort of mechanism, that would prompt the user when an external client tried to connect to the display . And authentication would simple be based on the users reponse on that dialog |
| 15:08.28 | pb_ | moray: indeed. If someone wanted to work on improving the gtk fileselector, or adding another widget with the same API, that would be kind of cool. |
| 15:08.47 | pb_ | moray: mallum did some patches for it already, which are included in the familiar gtk build. |
| 15:08.57 | mallum | jg: I was wondering if its totally stupid and insecure, and if anyones done anything like it before |
| 15:10.10 | moray | pb_: hm, maybe I'll add that to my list of things to look at |
| 15:10.30 | pb_ | moray: excellent. |
| 15:11.05 | pb_ | spung: ah. well, I guess you need to debug that a bit yourself. |
| 15:14.16 | jg | pb_: there is a version of the file selector around someone was working on that is based on glade... |
| 15:14.16 | jg | mallum: we need to invent that whole mechanism. |
| 15:14.19 | jg | mallum: the alternative is to trust the X security extension stuff, but I've never looked at it, and it was designed for another purpose (multi security level workstations). |
| 15:14.22 | jg | We should look at that anyway, if only to determine it isn't useful. |
| 15:14.26 | jg | mallum: this is all about trust. |
| 15:14.32 | jg | mallum: (though the X security stuff may help, if it was done right). |
| 15:15.52 | mallum | jg: yeah, I saw the XSecruity stuff when I was looking at the authentication source in xfree |
| 15:17.14 | mallum | jg: I think it would be really nice with display migration, if the target display popped up a dialog saying 'do you wish to allow XXX to connect ... etc' |
| 15:17.22 | jg | yup. |
| 15:17.37 | jg | mallum: we certainly need to be able to do this, for alot of circumstances. |
| 15:18.01 | mallum | jg: have you ever seen anything like this before ? |
| 15:18.31 | jg | mallum: no, but I can think of a number of ways of doing it.... |
| 15:19.15 | mallum | jg: yeah, I was originally thinking of trying out the concept with an ugly iptables hack |
| 15:19.35 | mallum | jg: then I started looking at the X source and thinking about an extension |
| 15:19.43 | jg | mallum: There are better ones. |
| 15:19.46 | mallum | jg: then I hid in the corner with fear ;-) |
| 15:20.24 | jg | mallum: for example, configure the X server to only listen to localhost, have a daemon listening for incoming connections on X's port, and pass the file descriptor to the X server if it is accepted. |
| 15:20.35 | mallum | jg: I thought with iptables, you could masqurade the icoming packets so they looked to X like they were coming locally |
| 15:20.51 | jg | mallum: seems like the wrong (and Linux only) solution. |
| 15:21.04 | jg | mallum: you can send a file descriptor in a socket. |
| 15:21.11 | mallum | jg: yes, this ugly ;-) |
| 15:21.18 | mallum | jg: s/this/thus/ |
| 15:21.28 | jg | mallum: this is the way that things like inetd work. |
| 15:21.36 | mallum | jg: how do you mean ? |
| 15:22.13 | moray | mallum: remember it's got to work for several independent connections from the same host coming to you, not just for different hosts trying to connect |
| 15:22.30 | moray | mallum: inetd has allow/deny stuff before it lets a connection in |
| 15:22.32 | jg | mallum: inetd listens for incoming connections. If it gets one, and decides it should service it, the file descriptor it is using is transferred (using send) to the daemon responsible for servicing the request. |
| 15:23.03 | jg | mallum: you probably weren't aware that you can move an open FD in a IPC message, were you? |
| 15:23.33 | mallum | jg: no, my knowlege of IPC is pretty lame |
| 15:23.58 | mallum | jg: I thought all inetd did was pipe info from the socket to stdin of a forked deamon |
| 15:24.03 | jg | mallum: standard Berkeley 4.2 Unix, since 1984... |
| 15:24.12 | jg | mallum: no, it sends the fd. |
| 15:24.17 | jg | mallum: much more efficient. |
| 15:24.36 | mallum | jg: cool, I can read up on this in my fat stevens network book |
| 15:24.52 | jg | mallum: I guess. Haven't looked at Stevens. |
| 15:25.10 | mallum | jg: but is X setup already to recieve an extenal fd though ? |
| 15:25.43 | jg | mallum: there is some support there for Kerberos, etc, we need to look at that. |
| 15:26.07 | jg | mallum: keithp is visiting Cambridge in a few weeks: I hope/plan to talk to him then at length about this stuff. |
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| 15:27.41 | mallum | jg: cool, I guess he'd be the man to know - all the auth src files have his name on then ;-) |
| 15:28.59 | jg | mallum: it all folds into stuff we want to do around the X server. For example, we need to be able to plumb input devices. |
| 15:29.09 | jg | mallum: you should be able to use your keyboard/mouse with the projector wall in front of you.... |
| 15:29.09 | jg | (rather than the keybaord/mouse of the X server driving the wall). |
| 15:30.37 | mallum | jg: well I guess x2x would allow you to do that |
| 15:31.01 | jg | mallum: yeah, but not well/properly. |
| 15:31.11 | jg | mallum: time to do it better.... |
| 15:31.29 | moray | jg: sounds nice, yes |
| 15:32.25 | mallum | jg: I see basically not to use Xtest, but something lower down |
| 15:35.24 | mallum | jg: hmm, its a pity a mechanism already doesn't exist to pass it fd's to the x server |
| 15:36.04 | jg | mallum: yup. I regret the current tying of keyboards/mice, etc to X servers. |
| 15:36.04 | jg | mallum: we need ways of being able to use input devices plugged in anywhere to anywhere. |
| 15:36.22 | jg | mallum: will be needed for hotplug anyway. |
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| 15:37.58 | prpplague | jg: "plumb input devices"? |
| 15:38.34 | jg | prpplague: e.g. you have a joystick on one machine, and want to use it with another... |
| 15:39.02 | jg | prpplague: we get to play plumber.... |
| 15:39.12 | prpplague | jg: ahh gotcha |
| 15:39.17 | jg | to connect data from one place to the other. |
| 15:39.38 | prpplague | jg: are we talking about using remote x sessions? |
| 15:39.58 | jg | prpplague: yes. |
| 15:40.31 | jg | prpplague: we want to be able to use apps, anywhere. Your pda app on your workstation or wall display; your workstation app on your PDA, etc... |
| 15:40.40 | prpplague | jg: need to talk to jammcq on #ltsp, he's started a project for a network devfs |
| 15:41.01 | prpplague | jg: his push is for thin clients, but would work the same for anything |
| 15:41.27 | jg | prpplague: I tend to prefer non OS specific solutions. |
| 15:42.01 | prpplague | jp: ahh, so what are you planning to do? |
| 15:42.08 | prpplague | oops sorry jg |
| 15:42.44 | jg | prpplague: reality is most of the world is windoze. Solutions more likely to get widespread deployment if they can penetrate anywhere and become ubiquitous standard. |
| 15:42.45 | prpplague | jg: the reason i'm asking i do alot of POS/TC installations where remote device connectivity is an issue |
| 15:43.05 | jg | POS/TC? |
| 15:43.16 | prpplague | Point of Sale / Thin Client |
| 15:43.21 | mallum | jg: I think the win32 server is now rootless in CVS ? do you know anything about that ? |
| 15:43.41 | jg | mallum: dunno. |
| 15:43.44 | mallum | jg: would be kind of nice for the display migration stuff for people still stuck on windows |
| 15:43.57 | jg | mallum: yup. |
| 15:44.17 | jg | mallum: it may not work well for them, but it should at least work somewhat. |
| 15:44.57 | prpplague | jg: things like signature capture devices, image scanners, credit card swipes |
| 15:45.01 | mallum | jg: yeah, I remember using some of the commercial Xservers for win32 and they seemed todo a pretty nice job of rootless integration |
| 15:45.18 | jg | prpplague: yup. just another event type. |
| 15:45.58 | jg | prpplague: there has been some interesting W3C work in something called XEvent, to define a generic event XML format. |
| 15:46.34 | prpplague | jg: i seem to recall something about that mentioned at OLS |
| 15:47.07 | jg | prpplague: have been thinking of building a service based on that as a wire format... |
| 15:47.52 | prpplague | jg: so you would have set of client/servers for multiple OS's ? |
| 15:48.03 | jg | prpplague: potentially. |
| 15:48.42 | prpplague | jg: sounds like a large project but of nice potential |
| 15:48.46 | jg | prpplague: why build several incompatible systems if a single wire protocol will do? That's my point about not being happy with a Linux only solution. |
| 15:48.58 | jg | prpplague: not that big a project, IMHO. |
| 15:49.41 | prpplague | jg: well if you _have_ to deal with multi OS that is that path i'd go, however, all of our installations are pure linux or unix |
| 15:50.03 | jg | prpplague: I'd certainly do a Linux implementation first... |
| 15:50.18 | jg | prpplague: it is just a matter of full scale world domination :-). |
| 15:50.43 | prpplague | jg: lol, yep |
| 15:51.13 | prpplague | jg: well we may have to start including some winblows, some of our customers' vendor site have gone to IE only support |
| 15:51.48 | prpplague | jg: i've been doing some research on getting linux browsers to emulate IE only |
| 15:52.43 | moray | prpplague: unfortunately I get the impression lots of sites still rely on bugs / non-strictness in IE's parsing |
| 15:52.49 | jg | prpplague: how goes that battle? |
| 15:53.46 | prpplague | jg: slow |
| 15:53.56 | prpplague | jg: i've got it working about %75 |
| 15:54.20 | moray | prpplague: 75% of sites, of 75% support within sites? |
| 15:54.26 | prpplague | moray: this is even worse, they actually code the site to not even let you in if your not running IE |
| 15:54.34 | prpplague | moray: 75% of the one site |
| 15:54.51 | moray | prpplague: yes, I've seen those - but it's relatively easy to get the browser to lie about what it is, if you really have to |
| 15:55.19 | prpplague | moray: right that wasn't the hard part, they are doing all kinds of little m$ tricks |
| 15:56.03 | moray | prpplague: it strikes me as the worst problem when the decision is to write HTML that just happens to write in MSIE, without any idea of validity |
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| 16:04.40 | prpplague | moray: well this company is a "major" company and they are total m$ slaves |
| 16:05.04 | prpplague | moray: i think the CTO is giving BG head |
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| 16:33.50 | mallum | pb_: can I turn a .a or .la into a .so ? |
| 16:34.12 | dc__ | mallum: hehe |
| 16:36.23 | hunterkll | does familiar support the a.out format? |
| 16:40.26 | pb_ | mallum: yes. |
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| 16:40.44 | mallum | pb_: and what voodoo is it I seek |
| 16:40.56 | mccarthy | pb_: is there an "official" way to handle command line arguements in gpe? |
| 16:42.25 | pb_ | mallum: well, I'm not quite sure what a .la is, probably some kind of joke file created by libtool. But in general, you want gcc -shared -Wl,--whole-archive -Wl,-soname,libfoo.so.0 libfoo.a |
| 16:42.45 | pb_ | mccarthy: not really. |
| 16:43.50 | mccarthy | pb_: I was thinking of adding a -schedule_next flag to gpe-calendar so that it does *not* spawn its gui, but instead simply schedules the next alarm (if it doesnt already exist) |
| 16:44.16 | pb_ | mccarthy: good idea. |
| 16:44.19 | mccarthy | pb_: then each alarm would have "gpe-calendar -schedule_next" as its last statement |
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| 16:44.35 | pb_ | hunterkll: not really. |
| 16:44.42 | hunterkll | ok |
| 16:44.47 | pb_ | hunterkll: you can run a.out binaries if you want, but familiar doesn't ship any libraries in that format. |
| 16:44.59 | mccarthy | pb_: plus, it would be good to run the schedule_next routine whenever you exit gpe-calendar (or update the db?) |
| 16:46.17 | pb_ | mccarthy: right. |
| 16:47.32 | mallum | pb_: cool thanks |
| 17:00.53 | dc__ | hrm |
| 17:01.09 | dc__ | what do I call a nick highlight, when it's directed at you.... |
| 17:01.24 | dc__ | it's for the label in gpe-irc config... |
| 17:01.46 | dc__ | to select the colour to highlight someones nick when they mention your nick in the message... |
| 17:09.41 | moray | dc__: surely that one is the only 'highlight', whereas the others are just coloured? |
| 17:12.12 | hunterkll | ? |
| 17:12.14 | hunterkll | klik one |
| 17:12.22 | mccarthy | pb_: do you care if I delete year-view stuff now? (while I make a small speed increase in event-db?) |
| 17:12.27 | hunterkll | if more are highlighted |
| 17:12.35 | hunterkll | ye just kliked and draged |
| 17:14.09 | dc__ | moray: oh dear...yes I spose. |
| 17:14.42 | dc__ | hunterkll: ... |
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| 17:18.49 | spung | mccarthy: are you doing those changes in gpe-calendar/event-db.c or libeventdb/event-db.c ? |
| 17:19.16 | mccarthy | spung: oops, didnt know there was a libeventdb :) |
| 17:19.19 | mallum | I have my xine player working and I can report frame rate is suprising ly really good :)) |
| 17:19.42 | spung | pb_: :\ |
| 17:21.20 | mallum | http://handhelds.org/scap/toland.cgi?fn=port.1323.png |
| 17:21.30 | spung | oh boy |
| 17:21.32 | spung | $ mv gpe-today/ ~/Projects/gpe-today-mess |
| 17:21.37 | spung | $ cvs update -d |
| 17:22.00 | moray | mallum: ooh, nice |
| 17:22.23 | hunterkll | mallum |
| 17:22.33 | hunterkll | just use the qpe-mediaplayer |
| 17:22.37 | hunterkll | all it needs is the base :) |
| 17:22.40 | hunterkll | of qpe |
| 17:22.49 | hunterkll | which is just -force-depends in opie :) |
| 17:23.31 | mallum | hunterkll: it more or less the same thing as opie-mediapolayer |
| 17:23.46 | mallum | hunterkll: just displaying to X rather than the fb |
| 17:23.47 | hunterkll | yes |
| 17:23.51 | hunterkll | without all the need |
| 17:24.29 | hunterkll | mallum |
| 17:24.31 | hunterkll | not its not |
| 17:24.41 | hunterkll | its qpe-mediaplayer |
| 17:24.47 | hunterkll | not qpe-mediaplayer-x11 |
| 17:24.59 | hunterkll | qpe mediaplayer has no dependancys heh |
| 17:24.59 | mallum | hunterkll: whatever |
| 17:25.04 | hunterkll | cept qpe base |
| 17:25.11 | hunterkll | opiemediaplayer has lots |
| 17:26.45 | hunterkll | hey |
| 17:26.49 | hunterkll | i'm no bot |
| 17:27.06 | hunterkll | ~lart moray |
| 17:27.14 | hunterkll | ibot, brick moray |
| 17:27.18 | | ACTION installs a bad bootloader on moray and turns moray into a brick |
| 17:27.18 | mallum | moray_: I think he's just some 5 yr old |
| 17:27.37 | moray | mallum: well, I don't like to be ageist |
| 17:28.45 | hunterkll | ... |
| 17:28.49 | hunterkll | i'm not 5 |
| 17:29.47 | mallum | hunterkll: do we care ? |
| 17:30.28 | mallum | celebratory halo time biab |
| 17:33.35 | pb_ | mccarthy: no, go ahead, nuke the year view. |
| 17:36.09 | mccarthy | pb_: cool |
| 17:36.59 | mccarthy | pb_: aside from a weird crashing thing with creating/deleting events and then trying to edit them, I think it is starting to work nicely... |
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| 17:37.32 | pb_ | mccarthy: great. |
| 17:37.37 | mccarthy | (I would like to do a couple little things, like type an event straight into the day view, edit events straight from week_view, and see cool pictures in month_view, but.... :) |
| 17:38.09 | pb_ | Yah, all of these things would be good. |
| 17:38.46 | mccarthy | I think the week_view thing will never happen (from me) since I am not good at the drawables thing... |
| 17:40.37 | pb_ | mccarthy: ok. |
| 17:51.49 | spung | hurray, transparency almost there :D |
| 17:51.55 | pb_ | cool. |
| 17:52.50 | moray | spung: what are you working on making transparent? |
| 17:53.36 | mccarthy | pb_: it looks like Nils' gpe-atd works with gpe-announce (and all the permissions hassles). Should we package it (and change the dependency of gpe-calendar) or try to keep bugging nelson? |
| 17:58.47 | pb_ | mccarthy: maybe keep bugging nelson a bit longer |
| 17:59.39 | pb_ | mccarthy: assuming Nils' atd can do everything that the old one can, I would be inclined just to do an NMU of atd, rather than fork gpe-atd. |
| 17:59.54 | pb_ | mccarthy: unfortunately Nils has reformatted all the code, so it is very difficult to diff his code in CVS against nelson's. |
| 17:59.56 | mccarthy | pb_: damn, I cannot even *build* this stuff on the ipaq's anymore.... they must have some old X that is screwing things up... |
| 18:00.02 | pb_ | mccarthy: :-( |
| 18:00.13 | mccarthy | pb_: how do I check that? |
| 18:00.24 | pb_ | mccarthy: check the version of X? hmm, dunno. |
| 18:00.35 | pb_ | mccarthy: what's the build failure you see? |
| 18:00.38 | mccarthy | pb_: cant I dpkg info or something? |
| 18:00.44 | mccarthy | (I dont use debian) |
| 18:00.47 | mccarthy | (anymore) |
| 18:00.51 | pb_ | mccarthy: I guess. dpkg --status xlibs? |
| 18:00.58 | pb_ | not sure what the package is actually called. |
| 18:01.33 | mccarthy | 4.1.0! |
| 18:02.21 | pb_ | ha! |
| 18:02.47 | spung | moray: http://spung.kicks-ass.net/stuff/today.gif |
| 18:03.06 | pb_ | spung: looks neat. |
| 18:03.59 | hunterkll | werd |
| 18:05.38 | jg | spung: looks very nice. |
| 18:10.13 | mccarthy | damn |
| 18:10.23 | mccarthy | pb_: what is the best way for me to test this bad boy then? |
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| 18:10.45 | pb_ | mccarthy: send mail to admin@handhelds.org and ask them to upgrade X, if you think that's causing the problem. |
| 18:10.46 | pb_ | hi dneuer |
| 18:10.55 | dneuer | hi all |
| 18:11.00 | dneuer | hi pb_ |
| 18:11.01 | jg | hi |
| 18:11.15 | dneuer | jg: good to see you, ltns |
| 18:11.21 | mccarthy | pb_: what is libdm? |
| 18:11.32 | pb_ | mccarthy: display migration library |
| 18:11.55 | mccarthy | pb_: ahhh, so it wont work with gtk2.1 (so *that* is the problem) |
| 18:12.13 | mccarthy | or 2.0.1 or whatever one they have installed |
| 18:12.26 | mccarthy | pb_: what part of gpe-calendar depends on libdm? |
| 18:13.13 | pb_ | mccarthy: there are calls to libdm sprinkled through the code. |
| 18:14.09 | pb_ | mccarthy: if it isn't feasible to get gtk 2.2 installed on the cluster you could comment them out, or build a stub libdm that does nothing. |
| 18:14.13 | spung | mccarthy: just comment out everything in libdm, that'll work |
| 18:15.05 | spung | mccarthy: open migrate.c and comment out everything.. with an #ifdef 0 or something |
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| 18:28.29 | mallum | hmm, anyone nfs mount stuff on the ipaq ? |
| 18:28.48 | pb_ | occasionally. why do you ask? |
| 18:33.06 | mallum | pb_: its just hanging for me :( |
| 18:33.26 | mallum | pb_: yet I mount the same share on my laptop, desktop etc everyday |
| 18:33.45 | mallum | pb_: oh no it appears to have worked |
| 18:38.02 | dc___ | mallum: I found it to take some time. |
| 18:38.20 | pb_ | slow mounting normally means you have some kind of lockd lossage going on. |
| 18:38.47 | pb_ | if you don't actually need locking, -o nolock is normally the easiest way to avoid the problem. |
| 18:39.07 | dc___ | ah, cool. |
| 18:39.08 | dc___ | :] |
| 18:41.41 | pb_ | bbl |
| 18:42.06 | spung | mallum: how do you handle syncing between work you do in the laptop and your desktop? |
| 18:42.40 | mallum | spung: well I keep all my mail, address book on my server |
| 18:42.46 | mallum | spung: thats about all I need to sync |
| 18:42.52 | mallum | spung: dev code is all in CVS |
| 18:44.32 | spung | mallum: hmmm, mail? what kind of server? IMAP? |
| 18:45.00 | mallum | spung: it has imap, but normall I just ssh in and use mutt |
| 18:45.16 | spung | oic |
| 18:45.46 | spung | good ideas, i was told i'd be given a laptop on christmas.. but santa is pretty late |
| 18:45.59 | spung | maybe it was christmas 2003 :\ |
| 18:47.46 | mallum | spung: I have a freind that keeps all his ~/.config files in CVS so he can sync them like that |
| 18:47.58 | mallum | spung: but Im lazy and just copy them across |
| 18:48.19 | mallum | spung: all I have a a little script which backs up each of my machines to the server |
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| 19:20.26 | mallum | I got the xine lib down to approx 560k |
| 19:21.31 | dc___ | oooooh |
| 19:22.39 | hunterkll | lol |
| 19:24.49 | mallum | dc___: I will test it and then upload it |
| 19:25.03 | dc___ | mallum: sounds like fun! |
| 19:25.07 | mallum | dc___: I also put a binary of my player |
| 19:25.18 | dc___ | mallum: do we know if it plays divx at a barible speed? |
| 19:25.19 | mallum | dc___: somewhere ( its very very simple ) |
| 19:25.23 | dc___ | mallum: oh, that gnome one? |
| 19:25.28 | dc___ | mallum: _your_ one ;} |
| 19:25.35 | mallum | dc___: well it played a divx from pocketmovies no probalem at all |
| 19:25.42 | mallum | dc___: its based on the gnome one |
| 19:25.49 | dc___ | mallum: oh wow, with sound? |
| 19:25.55 | mallum | dc___: but it has no buttons or nothing as yet |
| 19:26.02 | mallum | dc___: yeah sound was synced |
| 19:26.06 | dc___ | wee :D |
| 19:26.24 | dc___ | I need to get myself a bigger cf card then... |
| 19:26.37 | dc___ | I can start watching movies in claass. |
| 19:28.12 | mallum | dc___: hmm my new player dont work at all :( |
| 19:28.34 | dc___ | :/ |
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| 19:31.12 | dc___ | welcome back pb_ |
| 19:31.27 | dc___ | hrm |
| 19:31.28 | pb_ | dc___: thanks, it's good to be back |
| 19:31.37 | dc___ | these trailers are mpg1 |
| 19:32.16 | mccarthy | pb_: I think it passed my desktop tests....onto the ipaq! |
| 19:32.19 | pb_ | mccarthy: cool |
| 19:32.31 | mccarthy | dc___: recurring events with alarms!!! w00t! |
| 19:32.51 | dc___ | mccarthy: wahay!! |
| 19:33.22 | mccarthy | pb_: we might want to run gpe-calendar -s in the start-up scripts |
| 19:33.41 | mccarthy | (in case things got hosed on a reboot and we havent run gpe-calendar yet) |
| 19:34.25 | pb_ | mccarthy: ok, just add a file to /etc/Xsession{-gpe}.d |
| 19:35.03 | mccarthy | pb_: will do (after I test with my "stupid build" on the ipaqs and upload changes) |
| 19:35.15 | mccarthy | pb_: can you make me a nice one when I am all done? |
| 19:37.34 | pb_ | mccarthy: ok. |
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| 19:37.45 | pb_ | mccarthy: ping me when everything is checked in and you want me to do a build. |
| 19:38.04 | dc__ | oh great. |
| 19:38.21 | dc__ | now half way through my downloads....pocketmatrix.com decide to move hosts... |
| 19:38.28 | pb_ | dc__: :-( |
| 19:38.42 | pb_ | hrm, anybody know a cheap place to buy usb-serial adapters? |
| 19:38.50 | dc__ | :\ |
| 19:42.36 | mallum | pb_: I got one from tcr computer fair |
| 19:43.02 | mallum | pb_: for approx 15 quid |
| 19:43.05 | pb_ | mallum: good thinking |
| 19:43.13 | mallum | pb_: works fine with linux |
| 19:43.25 | pb_ | cool. |
| 19:43.37 | mallum | pb_: its unbranded, looks like it should go with an imac |
| 19:44.05 | pb_ | I took my computer apart the other day to fit an extra serial card, but discovered to my dismay that it was an ISA card and my current motherboard doesn't have any ISA slots. |
| 19:44.25 | dc__ | oh dear pb_ |
| 19:44.43 | pb_ | dc__: quite. |
| 19:44.47 | dc__ | pb_: why do you need more serial ports? |
| 19:45.12 | dc__ | mallum: a wha? |
| 19:45.47 | pb_ | dc__: this machine only has two, and I currently have an ipaq plugged into each. occasionally I want to connect other things at the same time. |
| 19:45.49 | mallum | dc__: aldi the pikey supermarket are doing 2.6ghz pc's for 700 quid |
| 19:45.57 | mallum | dc__: all branded parts |
| 19:46.14 | dc__ | mallum: ooooh, sounds good. |
| 19:46.16 | dc__ | pb_: ah. |
| 19:46.31 | dc__ | poor dc__ only has _1_ iPAQ |
| 19:46.38 | pb_ | dc__: aww. |
| 19:47.09 | dc__ | pb_: ;p |
| 19:47.13 | pb_ | oh darn, I forgot to buy a new hard disk for my CATS. |
| 19:47.35 | dc__ | mallum: oh btw, did you understand that mbmenu bug I was trying to explain to you? |
| 19:47.47 | dc__ | pb_: ! |
| 19:48.18 | mallum | dc__: yes, dont worry - I know why it happens |
| 19:48.25 | mallum | dc__: damn transparency ;-) |
| 19:48.45 | mallum | dc__: I've uplaoded xinelib into unstable ( well uploading it now close to a meg ! ) |
| 19:48.57 | pb_ | whoa! |
| 19:49.03 | pb_ | how big is it installed? |
| 19:49.04 | mallum | dc__: it will be smaller, we just have to figure out what plugins arn't needed |
| 19:49.15 | mallum | pb_: this has approx 50 plugins |
| 19:49.19 | pb_ | mallum: ah |
| 19:49.36 | mallum | pb_: I removed a load, but then it didn't work :( |
| 19:49.44 | dc__ | mallum: ah. |
| 19:49.48 | pb_ | I see. |
| 19:49.49 | mallum | pb_: I figure I'll just remove them on the ipaq 1 by 1 |
| 19:49.58 | pb_ | mallum: right. |
| 19:50.02 | dc__ | mallum: let me finish downloading my trailer. |
| 19:50.13 | dc__ | mallum: then I'll help you with the module killing. |
| 19:50.23 | mallum | dc__: the 'player' binary is in my experimental dir |
| 19:50.37 | mallum | dc__: its basically ./player <movie> |
| 19:50.51 | dc__ | okay |
| 19:51.06 | dc__ | heh, so I need xine, xinelib and your player? |
| 19:51.16 | mallum | dc__: no just xine-lib and my player |
| 19:51.39 | dc__ | oh cool |
| 19:52.01 | mallum | dc__: you may have to force a resize on the player window, by hiding the dock or summin ( not sure why thats happening - I think its needing a configure event ) |
| 19:52.30 | mallum | dc__: and you'll just have to trust me that its gtk2, cos theres no widgets ;-) |
| 19:52.39 | mallum | dinner time biab |
| 19:52.43 | dc__ | mallum: hah" |
| 19:52.49 | dc__ | mallum: right |
| 19:54.47 | PaxAnima | woooooo... back in Trondheim (where I study;) |
| 19:54.54 | dc__ | :] |
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| 20:12.41 | dc__ | good day BBrox |
| 20:13.00 | BBrox | 'lo |
| 20:16.05 | dc__ | hrm |
| 20:16.20 | dc__ | I guess mallum's xine-lib isn't uploaded yet.... |
| 20:24.17 | mallum | dc__: nope still uploading .... |
| 20:24.39 | mallum | dc__: I'll scp it up to my experimental |
| 20:24.42 | dc__ | mallum: eek. |
| 20:24.45 | dc__ | mallum: right |
| 20:25.16 | dc__ | mallum: what's your upload speed? |
| 20:25.23 | mallum | dc__: 512k |
| 20:25.33 | dc__ | and how big is it... |
| 20:25.44 | mallum | ~1 meg ;-) |
| 20:25.59 | mallum | dc__: okey uploaded to experimental |
| 20:26.07 | dc__ | great |
| 20:26.21 | dc__ | lets hope my iPAQ survives this |
| 20:26.55 | dc__ | bbl |
| 20:26.55 | spung | pb_: does pango get screwed everytime we upgrade it? :\ |
| 20:27.31 | pb_ | spung: shouldn't anymore. |
| 20:27.50 | pb_ | spung: if it still isn't working with the 1.2.0 packages, you will need to figure out why. |
| 20:29.58 | pb_ | spung: your gpe-calendar patch is mostly ok, but you need to write a better changelog. And the library package should be libeventdb0 or whatever to match the soname. |
| 20:30.52 | spung | pb_: right :D |
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| 20:34.19 | spung | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.19 | spung | pango-querymodules: No such file or directory |
| 20:34.19 | spung | pkg_run_script: `/usr/lib/ipkg/info/pango-module-basic-xft.postinst configure' failed: Illegal seek. |
| 20:34.22 | spung | ERROR: pango-module-basic-xft.postinst returned 127 |
| 20:34.31 | spung | pb_: i guess it doesn't depend on pango-querymodules? |
| 20:34.51 | pb_ | spung: pango-querymodules is meant to be in libpango1.0-0 nowadays |
| 20:35.10 | spung | pb_: what's going on then? it's looking for pango-querymodules |
| 20:35.19 | pb_ | spung: dunno, do ipkg status libpango1.0-0 |
| 20:36.17 | spung | /HOME/LUIS # IPKG STATUS LIBPANGO1.0-0 |
| 20:36.17 | spung | PACKAGE: LIBPANGO1.0-0 |
| 20:36.17 | spung | VERSION: 1.2.0-1 |
| 20:36.23 | spung | STATUS: INSTALL OK INSTALLED |
| 20:36.29 | pb_ | wow, funky caps |
| 20:36.33 | pb_ | ok, do ipkg files libpango1.0-0 |
| 20:36.48 | spung | yeah, minicom is weird |
| 20:37.31 | spung | /usr/ |
| 20:37.31 | spung | /usr/lib/ |
| 20:37.31 | spung | /usr/lib/libpango-1.0.so.0.200.0 |
| 20:37.31 | spung | /usr/lib/libpangox-1.0.so.0.200.0 |
| 20:37.31 | spung | /usr/lib/libpangoxft-1.0.so.0.200.0 |
| 20:37.33 | spung | /usr/bin/ |
| 20:37.36 | spung | /usr/bin/pango-querymodules |
| 20:37.41 | pb_ | well, there it is. |
| 20:37.44 | spung | yeah |
| 20:38.01 | spung | ahh |
| 20:38.05 | spung | i did ipkg install libpango |
| 20:38.16 | spung | and it tried to install pango-module-basic-xft _before_ |
| 20:38.36 | pb_ | ah. |
| 20:39.03 | spung | yeah, i reinstalled pango-module-basic-xft and now it works i think |
| 20:39.59 | spung | btw, suspends still doesn't work.. what's with that? |
| 20:40.33 | pb_ | kernel bug still present. |
| 20:40.34 | moray | spung: you might want to 'stty sane' if you haven't yet ;) |
| 20:41.41 | moray | spung: it's Linux, not minicom that goes odd IIRC - some old compatibility thing for 7-bit terminals... |
| 20:43.00 | spung | moray: cool, thanks |
| 20:43.14 | spung | i don't care much anyway |
| 20:43.20 | spung | makes me nostalgic |
| 20:43.23 | moray | ha |
| 20:43.26 | spung | my first OS was DOS |
| 20:43.30 | spung | :) |
| 20:44.08 | moray | ah, poor you |
| 20:44.57 | spung | my first computer, which used to run DOS, is now running NetBSD tho :D |
| 20:45.23 | moray | what hardware's that? |
| 20:45.56 | spung | 386DX 25Mhx 4mb RAM (upgraded to 8mb before installing netbsd) |
| 20:46.03 | moray | the first DOS stuff we had at home was probably a 286 |
| 20:46.27 | moray | ah. I've had Linux on a 4 MB machine, but it wasn't that fun to use |
| 20:51.28 | mccarthy | pb_: I am ready to go.... |
| 20:51.38 | pb_ | mccarthy: ok, all checked in? |
| 20:52.30 | mccarthy | pb_: yep |
| 20:52.46 | pb_ | mccarthy: ok, cool |
| 20:52.56 | pb_ | mccarthy: I'll build a new package forthwith. |
| 20:53.05 | mccarthy | pb_: oops. wait |
| 20:53.11 | spung | _( |
| 20:53.12 | mccarthy | pb_: I want to add the Xsession thingie |
| 20:53.13 | spung | :( |
| 20:53.35 | spung | mccarthy: could you patch libeventdb too :( |
| 20:54.17 | mccarthy | spung: I am not sure that I made changes to eventdb lately...(when was libeventdb created?) |
| 20:54.26 | pb_ | spung: can I just dump the event-db.[ch] from gpe-calendar into libeventdb, or were the two not in sync previously? |
| 20:54.28 | spung | Modified Files: |
| 20:54.29 | spung | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.40 | pb_ | mccarthy: you definitely checked in some changes to event-db.c |
| 20:54.46 | spung | pb_: i think they're in sync |
| 20:54.51 | spung | were |
| 20:54.52 | mccarthy | pb_: not *today* |
| 20:55.01 | pb_ | mccarthy: yes, about 5 minutes ago |
| 20:55.10 | mccarthy | pb_: oops, you are right ;) |
| 20:55.13 | pb_ | revision 1.33 |
| 20:55.15 | pb_ | date: 2003/01/06 20:59:12; author: mccarthy; state: Exp; lines: +14 -5 |
| 20:55.17 | pb_ | recurring alarms! |
| 20:55.52 | mccarthy | pb_: yes, does it help that they were *small* changes :) |
| 20:56.17 | mccarthy | spung: do I need to change libeventdb or can pb just copy it? |
| 20:56.27 | spung | mccarthy: ask pb :) |
| 20:56.51 | pb_ | I'll just copy it and see what happens. |
| 20:58.08 | spung | pb_: i'm changing libeventdb/familiar/control's Package: to libeventdb0 |
| 20:59.48 | pb_ | spung: right |
| 21:01.13 | mccarthy | pb_: *now* I think you can build me an ipk |
| 21:01.53 | pb_ | mccarthy: ok |
| 21:02.19 | mccarthy | pb_: caveat. It wont work without Nils's atd |
| 21:02.27 | pb_ | mccarthy: ah, one other thing |
| 21:02.28 | mccarthy | pb_: it wont *break* without it |
| 21:02.42 | pb_ | mccarthy: can you make it install the .session into Xsession.d, and symlink into Xsession-gpe.d like other packages do? |
| 21:02.44 | mccarthy | pb_: it just wont actually *run* any of the scheduled alarms |
| 21:02.55 | pb_ | mccarthy: I hope to get rid of Xsession-gpe.d in the not-too-distant future. |
| 21:02.57 | mccarthy | pb_: which packages do |
| 21:03.02 | mccarthy | ? |
| 21:03.08 | pb_ | mccarthy: ipaq-sleep for one |
| 21:03.11 | pb_ | mccarthy: gpe-login for another |
| 21:03.23 | pb_ | mccarthy: gpe-soundserver too I guess. |
| 21:04.11 | mccarthy | pb_: how are the symlinks created? I dont see it in the makefile... |
| 21:04.24 | pb_ | mccarthy: in postinst |
| 21:04.29 | pb_ | mccarthy: and removed again in postrm |
| 21:04.29 | mccarthy | pb_: ahhh |
| 21:06.02 | mccarthy | pb_: all set |
| 21:06.09 | pb_ | mccarthy: cool |
| 21:06.13 | pb_ | ok, this time for sure :-) |
| 21:06.23 | mccarthy | pb_: sure, I'm sure |
| 21:06.28 | mccarthy | ;) |
| 21:06.36 | pb_ | mccarthy: you need a changelog entry for your .session stuff, but I will build the ipk anyway |
| 21:06.52 | mccarthy | pb_: :p |
| 21:09.05 | mccarthy | pb_: new Changelog now too ;) |
| 21:09.13 | pb_ | cool |
| 21:09.31 | mccarthy | now off to bug (the) nelson (the wonderful nelson of atd...) |
| 21:09.39 | pb_ | :-) |
| 21:11.00 | mccarthy | pb_: crap |
| 21:11.07 | pb_ | ? |
| 21:11.09 | mccarthy | pb_: one last thing....the Makefile still has year_view |
| 21:11.14 | pb_ | oh |
| 21:11.26 | pb_ | will that cause damage? |
| 21:14.21 | mccarthy | pb_: I wouldnt say *damage* but since the yearfont and such are no longer defined in main, it wont compile |
| 21:14.36 | mccarthy | pb_: I have fixed it again and it definitely should work now |
| 21:14.50 | mccarthy | (this is why I liked making my *own* ipks and uploading them myself) |
| 21:16.06 | mccarthy | pb_: I wish I had made the schedule alarm stuff more portable so that people could actually run it on their desktops.... |
| 21:16.31 | mccarthy | pb; i guess it is only a few lines of code to change if I need to.... |
| 21:17.54 | spung | pb_: you have new patch :D |
| 21:18.01 | spung | not sure if it's ok |
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| 21:19.58 | mallum | pb_: I have mount working now on the ipaq, but even to ls a small directory takes approx 10 seconds :( |
| 21:20.05 | mallum | pb_: any idea on what could be up ? |
| 21:20.22 | pb_ | mallum: no, sound very strange. |
| 21:20.29 | pb_ | mallum: maybe check with tcpdump to see what's up. |
| 21:20.36 | pb_ | mccarthy: ok, building again |
| 21:20.42 | TheMasterMind1 | mallum: nfs? |
| 21:20.45 | mccarthy | pb; sorry |
| 21:21.25 | pb_ | spung: you failed to attach the patch to the mail |
| 21:21.33 | spung | pb_: damn :) |
| 21:22.55 | spung | pb_: it was my sister's fault.. patch sent |
| 21:23.45 | pb_ | spung: ! |
| 21:23.47 | pb_ | spung: righto |
| 21:23.51 | mallum | TheMasterMind1: yeah, is fine on my laptop and other machines ... but no the paq |
| 21:24.34 | TheMasterMind1 | mallum: try -o nolock |
| 21:24.35 | pb_ | spung: looks ok, I will check it in. |
| 21:24.37 | spung | PaxAnima: just heard a guy saying in a contest that Norway's Sea was on the Indic ocean :) |
| 21:25.03 | spung | pb_: ChangeLog's are boring :) |
| 21:25.10 | mallum | TheMasterMind1: okeu |
| 21:25.47 | pb_ | mccarthy: nelson!!! |
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| 21:26.08 | mccarthy | pb_: I see, I see |
| 21:26.16 | pb_ | mccarthy: phew :-) |
| 21:26.49 | mallum | TheMasterMind1: a little better but still slow :( |
| 21:32.15 | pb_ | spung: your patch is in |
| 21:33.03 | mccarthy | pb_: I got nelson talking *some* but still no committment to either do it or *not* do it |
| 21:33.37 | pb_ | mccarthy: suggest that you could release a new atd on his behalf, if he just doesn't have time. |
| 21:33.45 | pb_ | mccarthy: or Nils could do it. |
| 21:36.44 | mccarthy | pb_: damn, I think I missed my 7 minute window ;) |
| 21:40.56 | pb_ | darn |
| 21:41.02 | mccarthy | pb_: give a holler when you have a new ipk |
| 21:41.12 | pb_ | mccarthy: it's uploaded. |
| 21:41.20 | mccarthy | pb_: cool |
| 21:41.59 | mallum | dc__: tried xine-lib yet ? |
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| 22:05.51 | mccarthy | pb_: it seems to schedule the alarms just fine, but I think I am having some small issues with random crashes (on accessing events from future_view) |
| 22:07.53 | mccarthy | pb_: I will need to look over the clone list passing, editting, deleting to see where this problem comes from (I cannot recreate it on my desktop however!) |
| 22:08.03 | pb_ | mccarthy: ah. |
| 22:08.30 | spung | * day_popup.c: Change "event-db.h" for <gpe/event-db.h> |
| 22:08.32 | spung | ah |
| 22:08.33 | mccarthy | pb_: either way, it simply makes it crash, it doesnt eat your db or do anything really ugly |
| 22:08.44 | spung | i guess this phrase shows i'm not a native english speaker :) |
| 22:09.08 | pb_ | spung: I don't think that phrase would excite comment. |
| 22:09.10 | mccarthy | pb; are we moving gpe-calendar over to this libeventdb thingie? |
| 22:09.15 | pb_ | mccarthy: yes |
| 22:09.20 | pb_ | mccarthy: already done in fact if you cvs update |
| 22:09.30 | mccarthy | pb_: I should say " are you moving..." :) |
| 22:09.35 | mccarthy | oh, ok |
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| 22:35.08 | pb_ | dc___: hrm, when I use a stock button with GTK_STOCK_OK, GPE_BUTTON_TYPE_BOTH, I get "_OK" and "_Cancel" as the text. Any idea where those underscores come from? |
| 22:40.13 | moray | pb_: the underscores presumably exist because they're supposed to turn into shortcuts at some point? |
| 22:40.31 | pb_ | moray: ah, yes, I guess that would be it. |
| 22:40.42 | moray | pb_: though apparently they aren't doing so :) |
| 22:41.10 | pb_ | Apparently. :-/ |
| 22:56.15 | pb_ | mccarthy: ah, good result there. |
| 23:02.45 | mccarthy | pb_: yes. Now if only I could figure these random crashes.... |
| 23:04.03 | pb_ | Indeed. |
| 23:06.40 | PaxAnima | ahh... guiness is the thing... ;) |
| 23:06.56 | mccarthy | pb_: oh well, it wont be today.... |
| 23:07.27 | mccarthy | (I am looking forward to my ipaq warning me about class tomorrow and then *again* wednesday!) |
| 23:07.34 | mccarthy | later all |
| 23:07.37 | pb_ | mccarthy: hehe. |
| 23:07.38 | PaxAnima | spung: the day Norway can be found in the Indic ocean is the day that whales walk on the moon |
| 23:07.39 | pb_ | mccarthy: later. |
| 23:07.53 | spung | PaxAnima: :D |
| 23:08.50 | *** part/#gpe mccarthy (~mccarthy@granular.che.pitt.edu) |
| 23:09.40 | dc___ | mallum: time to test the 'player' :) |
| 23:10.37 | moray | hm, I seem to be getting these killing my CVS updates: |
| 23:10.39 | moray | Disconnecting: Corrupted MAC on input. |
| 23:10.47 | pb_ | strange. |
| 23:10.49 | dc___ | eek |
| 23:10.50 | dc___ | heh |
| 23:11.32 | dc___ | pb_: those underscores could be the mnemonicness coming into play. |
| 23:11.43 | pb_ | dc___: any I idea how I get it out of play again? |
| 23:12.02 | dc___ | pb_: sorry, what out of play? |
| 23:12.17 | pb_ | dc___: the mnemonicness |
| 23:12.20 | dc___ | oh. |
| 23:12.20 | dc___ | heh |
| 23:12.22 | pb_ | dc___: or rather, get rid of the underscores. |
| 23:12.33 | dc___ | had a small blank on the use of the word play.. |
| 23:12.46 | pb_ | heh. |
| 23:12.58 | dc___ | pb_: well I'll have to look at it I suppose, we might just have to handle it in the code. |
| 23:13.09 | dc___ | pb_: maybe just add some code to remove it if it's there. |
| 23:13.30 | pb_ | dc___: ok, cool. |
| 23:14.15 | mallum | dc___: cool, any joy ? |
| 23:14.45 | dc___ | mallum: well, just whipping out my cf card for the first time...in a long time. |
| 23:15.55 | dc___ | my iPAQ starts at 69% batt now |
| 23:15.55 | pb_ | ! |
| 23:15.56 | dc___ | heh |
| 23:16.01 | pb_ | oh dear. |
| 23:16.08 | dc___ | yes. |
| 23:16.13 | pb_ | time to send for one of those $50 battery replacement kits that nelson mentioned. |
| 23:16.27 | pb_ | I think the battery in my 3600 is pretty well shot also. |
| 23:16.38 | dc___ | pb_: I think I will consider that. |
| 23:16.57 | dc___ | atleast I have the money spare. |
| 23:17.05 | dc___ | pb_: do we know where to get them? |
| 23:17.17 | pb_ | dc___: not sure, check the mailing list archives. |
| 23:18.06 | spung | yay |
| 23:18.10 | spung | we're getting there |
| 23:18.52 | dc___ | hrm... |
| 23:19.17 | PaxAnima | feels weird using a normal keyboard and have a resolution of 1152x864 instead of 800x600.... ;) |
| 23:19.28 | dc___ | maybe I should format my cf fat32. |
| 23:19.34 | dc___ | any ideas how to so that? |
| 23:19.39 | dc___ | PaxAnima: :)) |
| 23:19.47 | dc___ | s/so/do |
| 23:19.55 | spung | so |
| 23:20.00 | dc___ | so quite. |
| 23:20.06 | spung | transparency is quite there |
| 23:20.09 | spung | http://www.handhelds.org/scap/port.14009.png |
| 23:20.13 | pigeon | dc___: fat32!?!?!?!?!? |
| 23:20.15 | spung | hurray for librootimage |
| 23:20.25 | dc___ | pigeon: yes! |
| 23:20.38 | dc___ | spung: wow, go spung!! |
| 23:20.47 | dc___ | spung: I fear your dock |
| 23:21.12 | spung | dc___: have you seen the way it scrolls? http://spung.kick-ass.net/stuff/today.gif |
| 23:21.31 | moray | "Unable to determine IP address from host name for spung.kick-ass.net" |
| 23:21.37 | dc___ | spung: that url is invalid it would seem |
| 23:21.39 | dc___ | yes |
| 23:22.04 | spung | http://a213-22-98-118.netcabo.pt/stuff/today.gif |
| 23:22.10 | spung | ahh |
| 23:22.12 | spung | it was kicks-ass |
| 23:22.28 | dc___ | :] |
| 23:22.53 | moray | spung: ah, I didn't spot the scrolling before, since my browser's set up to only animate images once on loading |
| 23:23.04 | spung | :) |
| 23:23.20 | spung | smooth :D |
| 23:23.20 | dc___ | spung: awsome man |
| 23:24.00 | spung | dc___: don't tell anyone but gpe-today _still_ doesn't handle some events properly ahrg |
| 23:25.28 | *** join/#gpe dc__ (~dc@modem-249-44-60-62.vip.uk.com) |
| 23:25.34 | pb_ | dc___: mkfs.vfat -F 32 I think |
| 23:25.44 | dc__ | heh |
| 23:25.48 | dc__ | spung: hehehe! |
| 23:26.15 | dc__ | pb_: ah cool, well...I think I need some mkfs tools first.. |
| 23:26.19 | dc__ | hum |
| 23:26.19 | dc__ | maybe ext3 could work better ;] |
| 23:26.42 | pb_ | dc__: ext3 is what I use, seems to work ok. |
| 23:26.48 | dc__ | pb_: cool. |
| 23:27.57 | pb_ | moray_: ah cool :-) |
| 23:28.12 | dc__ | ah quite! |
| 23:28.12 | dc__ | heh |
| 23:28.21 | spung | hah |
| 23:28.37 | spung | a great step in world handhelds domination |
| 23:28.45 | moray | though it doesn't look very round with the way it's scaled down, and probably wants fiddling with as a bitmap (ICO format appears for some reason to lack an alpha channel) |
| 23:29.42 | spung | moray: i think mozilla, galeon support any format for those icons |
| 23:31.01 | *** join/#gpe dc_____ (~dc@modem-15-55-60-62.vip.uk.com) |
| 23:31.04 | moray | spung: yes, I wondered about that - however, I was worried MSIE may prefer .ico format still? |
| 23:31.12 | pb_ | whoa |
| 23:31.16 | dc_____ | hehhh |
| 23:31.18 | dc_____ | pb_: ? |
| 23:31.20 | dc_____ | pb_: yes |
| 23:31.24 | dc_____ | all...fear.. |
| 23:32.49 | pigeon | tail -f dc_____ |
| 23:34.13 | dc_____ | ~ # mount /dev/hda /mnt/hda |
| 23:34.15 | dc_____ | mount: Mounting /dev/hda on /mnt/hda failed: Invalid argument |
| 23:34.27 | pigeon | dc_____: /dev/hda1 maybe? |
| 23:34.31 | *** join/#gpe walters (walters@verbum.org) |
| 23:34.41 | dc_____ | pigeon: well, I just did mkfs.ext3 on /dev/hda |
| 23:34.45 | pigeon | Hmm how can I convert a vcd *.dat file into mpg easily? |
| 23:34.56 | moray | dc_____: erm, what did you expect mounting /dev/hda on /dev/hda to do? |
| 23:35.19 | dc_____ | moray: note the /mount |
| 23:35.24 | dc_____ | or /mnt/ rather |
| 23:35.41 | moray | dc_____: aha indeed, apparently I need to read more closely |
| 23:35.48 | pigeon | What about with -t ext3? |
| 23:35.58 | pigeon | Oh hang on, no. |
| 23:36.05 | pigeon | Not that I think. |
| 23:36.07 | dc_____ | same error quite... |
| 23:36.09 | PaxAnima | dc_____: do you have the kernel modules? |
| 23:36.13 | dc_____ | PaxAnima: yes. |
| 23:36.14 | moray | dc_____: though it's more confusing still now that between every line of output I have this sort of thing: |
| 23:36.14 | moray | [23:44:02] dc__ dc_____ |
| 23:36.14 | moray | [23:44:03] dc__ dc_____ |
| 23:36.20 | dc_____ | @ |
| 23:36.22 | dc_____ | :] |
| 23:36.34 | moray | ooh |
| 23:36.39 | dc | my tai! |
| 23:36.52 | dc | too many nick changes. |
| 23:37.00 | moray | dc: you could hang it up: |
| 23:37.00 | moray | | |
| 23:37.09 | pigeon | dc: You're now super saiyan. |
| 23:37.17 | dc | pigeon: hhah |
| 23:37.27 | dc | ext3 module isloaded. |
| 23:37.47 | dc | as well as ide-cs, ide-disk etc.. |
| 23:38.35 | pigeon | In fact I'm not sure if it will make a difference if you're create an fs on the /dev/hda rather than create a partition and then create an fs on that. |
| 23:38.48 | pigeon | That will be my only doubt. |
| 23:39.26 | pb_ | Making a fs on the whole device ought to be OK. |
| 23:39.38 | pigeon | Ah ok. |
| 23:39.49 | pigeon | I don't know, I've never tried. |
| 23:39.49 | pb_ | dc: did you create a journal on the filesystem? |
| 23:40.03 | dc | pb_: how? |
| 23:40.05 | pb_ | dc: if you just did mkfs.ext3 without -j, you will (confusingly) have ended up with an ext2 filesystem, which won't mount. |
| 23:40.15 | pb_ | or rather, won't mount unless you load the ext2 module. |
| 23:40.19 | pb_ | dc: tune2fs -j /dev/hda |
| 23:40.23 | dc | how sillly |
| 23:40.40 | pb_ | it does seem a bit perverse. |
| 23:40.50 | dc | huray |
| 23:40.52 | dc | works. |
| 23:41.00 | pb_ | cool |
| 23:41.01 | pigeon | Ha cool. |
| 23:43.02 | dc | mallum: ehh, well it won't play me MPEG-1 files. |
| 23:45.53 | mallum | dc: will it let you play anything ? |
| 23:46.08 | dc | mallum: eh? |
| 23:46.16 | dc | mallum: it seems to start okay. |
| 23:46.21 | dc | mallum: just no video or sound :/ |
| 23:47.15 | mallum | dc: try hiding / showing the dock, or popping up an xkbd / then hiding it |
| 23:47.32 | mallum | dc: it seems to sometimes need an extra confiurenotify event to start it |
| 23:47.37 | dc | cool |
| 23:48.27 | dc | sill..no sound though |
| 23:49.28 | dc | nice playback speed. |
| 23:51.11 | mallum | dc: you have esd running ? |
| 23:51.17 | mallum | dc: whats the log say ? |
| 23:51.39 | dc | audio_oss_out: Opening audio device... |
| 23:51.39 | dc | audio_oss_out: using device >/dev/dsp< |
| 23:51.39 | dc | audio_oss_out: opening audio device /dev/dsp failed: |
| 23:51.39 | dc | Device or resource busy |
| 23:51.42 | dc | ahh |
| 23:51.58 | mallum | dc: kill esd |
| 23:52.03 | mallum | KILL KILL KILL KILL |
| 23:52.08 | dc | quite! |
| 23:52.09 | dc | woooow |
| 23:52.12 | dc | sound :D |
| 23:52.13 | mallum | ESD ESD ESD ESD |
| 23:52.25 | dc | awsome! |
| 23:53.17 | pigeon | Hmm. |
| 23:55.03 | mallum | dc__: what are you watching ? |
| 23:55.23 | dc | 2001:space oddity. |
| 23:55.24 | dc | hehe |
| 23:55.35 | dc | and the animatrix! |
| 23:55.36 | mallum | dc__: cool :-) |
| 23:55.48 | mallum | dc__: yeah animatrix plays really noce |
| 23:57.27 | mallum | dc: whats 2001 encoded as ? |
| 23:57.42 | dc | mpeg-1 |
| 23:57.59 | mallum | I wish I could get stupid nfs to work ok |
| 23:58.04 | dc | hehe |
| 23:58.52 | mallum | dc: then I could try that ghost in a shell |
| 23:58.59 | dc | oooooh. |
| 23:59.00 | dc | yes |
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| 23:59.09 | dc | mallum: got a divx copy? |
| 23:59.23 | mallum | dc: yeah, you gave me it |
| 23:59.29 | dc | :) |
| 23:59.41 | mallum | dc: this new xine is so fast on my tibook |
| 23:59.47 | dc | cool. |
| 23:59.50 | dc | I should really use ot |
| 23:59.51 | mallum | dc: it totally whips mplayer |
| 23:59.53 | dc | mplay sucks |
| 23:59.57 | dc | yes |
