| 00:00.04 | __moray | (Jan 7 this year I think) |
| 00:00.21 | hunterkll | ~lart Zabardast |
| 00:00.33 | dc_ | __moray: well, with gpe-gallery, I guess I should render the scaled images in gpe-gallery then, and reread from the file foor zooming. |
| 00:01.07 | __moray | dc_: that would keep me happy I suspect |
| 00:01.52 | dc_ | good :) |
| 00:02.35 | dc_ | __moray: hum, consirning bug 158... |
| 00:02.46 | hunterkll | ~lart Zabardast |
| 00:02.50 | dc_ | __moray: do you not get a loading bar at the bottom? |
| 00:02.58 | dc_ | hunterkll: ... |
| 00:03.10 | hunterkll | i'm copying these to a diff network |
| 00:03.23 | dc_ | hunterkll: why.... |
| 00:03.36 | pb_ | hunterkll: use /query if you want to play with ibot |
| 00:03.39 | dc_ | __moray: when loading a directory of images...obviously. |
| 00:04.08 | __moray | dc_: that bug was more of an afterthought, but I don't think it can have been visibly updating? equally, it might be worth doing a gtk_main_iteration (or whatever) every now and then in case the user decides loading the huge directory wasn't such a good idea after all |
| 00:04.25 | dc_ | pb_: oh, btw, more fun, the gpe-calendar text fitting fix _works_, but still is a problem for months with longer names. |
| 00:04.30 | hunterkll | i dunnno how to make it ~lart in /query |
| 00:04.39 | dc_ | pb_: I think the simple answer would be to just use the shorter month names. |
| 00:04.48 | pb_ | hunterkll: just say "lart ..." I expect |
| 00:04.58 | pb_ | dc_: yeah, maybe that's what we'll have to do. |
| 00:05.03 | hunterkll | <hunterkll> lart Zabardast |
| 00:05.03 | hunterkll | <ibot> error: invalid format or missing arguments. |
| 00:05.15 | __moray | dc_: I'm not sure of the context, but you could always use month numbers in principle |
| 00:05.18 | dc_ | __moray: yes, I may have to add one into the rendering loops. |
| 00:05.22 | pb_ | hunterkll: oh well, take it up with bzflag. |
| 00:05.48 | dc_ | __moray: yes, but even so, we defently have space for the short month names. |
| 00:06.03 | dc_ | __moray, pb_: which are, in a sence prettier :} |
| 00:06.25 | __moray | dc_: ah ok. although I can't say I find short month names *especially* aesthetic ;) |
| 00:06.54 | pb_ | dc_: not sure I agree about the prettier, but it seems like a reasonable enough change. |
| 00:07.01 | pb_ | dc_: maybe make it controllable with XSETTINGS I suppose. |
| 00:07.12 | dc_ | pb_: smart idea. |
| 00:07.17 | pb_ | so moray could have his numeric version. |
| 00:07.40 | __moray | pb_: although, how about a setting for Roman numerals...? |
| 00:08.02 | __moray | (just to encourage me to do Latin translations for all the GPE apps...) |
| 00:08.03 | pb_ | __moray: in general, or just for the months? |
| 00:08.12 | pb_ | heh. |
| 00:08.13 | __moray | pb_: well, I was thinking of the months initially |
| 00:08.29 | pb_ | __moray: I should think that can be arranged. |
| 00:08.30 | __moray | pb_: since some people do write them like that to avoid ambiguity with month days |
| 00:08.47 | pb_ | yes. |
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| 00:11.34 | PaxAnima | dc_: I think the input system behaves well now.. need to fix the dictionary loading/saving and add a function and then I'll be done ;) |
| 00:11.44 | dc_ | PaxAnima: well great :D |
| 00:11.54 | PaxAnima | but that's for tomorrow... need some sleeeeeeep now... |
| 00:11.54 | dc_ | PaxAnima: then we can add it into gpe-irc :)) |
| 00:12.02 | PaxAnima | good night |
| 00:12.03 | dc_ | PaxAnima: quite right |
| 00:12.07 | dc_ | PaxAnima: night |
| 00:15.35 | pigeon | pb_: Mine is also a 16mb flash ipaq btw. ;) |
| 00:17.12 | pb_ | pigeon: Ah, right. |
| 00:18.09 | hunterkll | 32 meg flash :) |
| 00:18.23 | pigeon | Hmm oh I managed to stop all those boot up messages being printed onto the screen. |
| 00:18.30 | pigeon | Except, two lines of INIT... |
| 00:18.55 | pigeon | They are from init, not sure how to get rid of them. |
| 00:19.09 | pigeon | INIT Entering runlevel 2... |
| 00:19.31 | pb_ | Hrm, interesting. |
| 00:19.57 | pigeon | For the others, basically in inittab. |
| 00:20.14 | pigeon | I added &> /somewhere/else for all those rc. |
| 00:20.56 | pigeon | So at the end, I might just have to use something else to have a clean screen. |
| 00:21.06 | hunterkll | ~lart Jacob_P |
| 00:21.32 | pigeon | Like how the gpe bootsplash screen does that, for example. |
| 00:22.43 | dc_ | pigeon: hey, I'm just working on moving all the stuff to GtkTextBuffers |
| 00:22.56 | pigeon | dc_: Ah... cool :) |
| 00:23.37 | dc_ | pigeon: one thing though. |
| 00:23.43 | dc_ | pigeon: in irc_parse.c |
| 00:24.01 | dc_ | pigeon: how we're you getting the update_text_view () function avalible? |
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| 00:24.17 | pigeon | Well it's linked with all the objects. |
| 00:24.27 | pigeon | update_text_view is from main.c |
| 00:24.32 | dc_ | oh quite! |
| 00:25.11 | pigeon | At some point, all those update channels/text functions should be in main.h to get rid of the warnings :) |
| 00:28.58 | dc_ | will do so. |
| 00:29.10 | dc_ | 'sometime' |
| 00:29.22 | pigeon | ;) |
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| 00:30.56 | dc_ | :] |
| 00:31.03 | dc_ | great, works :D |
| 00:31.18 | dc_ | first time, no compile errors, that has to be a best personal record/ |
| 00:31.27 | dc_ | now to add some colours ;D |
| 00:31.29 | pigeon | dc_: Try checking the version of dc_gpe :) |
| 00:31.55 | dc_ | pigeon: w000000000000000000t :D |
| 00:31.58 | dc_ | hehe |
| 00:31.59 | dc_ | how cute. |
| 00:32.05 | pigeon | I did a bit ctcp useless stuffs last week ;) |
| 00:32.16 | dc_ | pigeon: great job. |
| 00:32.37 | pigeon | Yes... |
| 00:40.53 | dc_ | pigeon: I'm gonna make some enums for different types of messages. That irc_parse.c will have to handle. |
| 00:41.05 | dc_ | pigeon: so we can determine the correct colours to use. |
| 00:41.19 | pigeon | dc_: Sweet. |
| 00:41.28 | dc_ | hmm |
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| 00:47.22 | dc_ | behold. |
| 00:47.25 | dc_ | .... |
| 00:48.36 | hunterkll | lol |
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| 00:50.57 | dc_ | now.. |
| 00:51.02 | dc_ | colour :DDD |
| 00:51.30 | pb_ | :-) |
| 00:51.36 | dc_ | yep. |
| 00:51.37 | dc_ | weeeee |
| 00:53.03 | pb_ | right |
| 00:53.12 | dc_ | :)) |
| 00:53.39 | pb_ | I kept putting it off, because I had accidentally deleted my packaging script. |
| 00:53.47 | dc_ | ahhhh. |
| 00:55.47 | pb_ | uploaded now. |
| 00:55.54 | pb_ | let's see if these are any better than the old ones. |
| 01:00.27 | dc_ | pigeon: :/ |
| 01:01.25 | pigeon | 0xc0def00d even. |
| 01:01.57 | dc_ | pigeon: hum, where's the text formatting code for actions? |
| 01:02.39 | pigeon | dc_: It's in ctcp.c now. |
| 01:02.43 | dc_ | oh okay |
| 01:02.54 | pigeon | ctcp_action I believe |
| 01:03.41 | pigeon | Oh, I have cheese and biscuits. |
| 01:04.04 | pb_ | Phew. |
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| 01:10.12 | dc_ | weeee |
| 01:10.28 | dc_ | looking good there Mr gpe-irc |
| 01:10.35 | dc_gpe | yes sir! |
| 01:11.02 | dc_gpe | /action bounces |
| 01:11.05 | dc_ | ;p |
| 01:11.07 | pigeon | :P |
| 01:11.18 | dc_gpe | well, the actions look right atleast. |
| 01:11.31 | dc_gpe | but this shade of green......doesn't go. |
| 01:11.50 | dc_gpe | lets test this. |
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| 01:12.15 | dc_ | hrm |
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| 01:12.45 | dc_ | oh great. |
| 01:12.47 | dc_ | works too :) |
| 01:14.50 | dc_gpe | /quit |
| 01:14.51 | dc_gpe | heh |
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| 01:15.46 | dc_gpe | well, italic is alot nicer than the ghastly green |
| 01:16.18 | pigeon | How about the "matrix green" ;) |
| 01:16.30 | dc_gpe | well, once we have a user list, and some user functions I think it'll be an xchat killer. |
| 01:16.43 | dc_gpe | pigeon: defently not on white. |
| 01:16.48 | pigeon | :P |
| 01:17.11 | dc_gpe | right, lemme commit the code |
| 01:17.26 | dc_gpe | hmmm, strange. |
| 01:17.39 | dc_gpe | it didn't pickup florian__ leaving |
| 01:17.56 | pigeon | It's normal |
| 01:17.57 | dc_gpe | pigeon: oh, it would seem it didn't parse it. |
| 01:18.00 | pigeon | QUIT is not done yet. |
| 01:18.04 | dc_gpe | :) |
| 01:18.06 | pigeon | PART is done, QUIT not yet. |
| 01:18.15 | pigeon | QUIT is a bit more work. |
| 01:18.17 | dc_gpe | cool'o |
| 01:18.20 | dc_gpe | =|:<= |
| 01:18.21 | dc_gpe | heh |
| 01:18.47 | dc_ | hmmmmm |
| 01:18.48 | pigeon | Somewhere, QUIT needs to check if that person is on a channel you've joined or not. |
| 01:18.51 | dc_ | thinks. |
| 01:19.00 | dc_ | pigeon: oh |
| 01:19.03 | pigeon | And possibly show that in all the channel windows. |
| 01:19.09 | dc_ | ah well... |
| 01:19.18 | pb_ | oh dear |
| 01:19.19 | dc_ | tomorrow. |
| 01:19.22 | dc_ | pb_: ? |
| 01:19.27 | pb_ | the new pango packages work spectacularly badly. |
| 01:19.42 | pb_ | suggest not upgrading. |
| 01:19.51 | dc_ | pigeon: I think I shall make the globe button into a popup menu, with a 'new connection' and also a new 'preferences' option. |
| 01:20.00 | dc_ | pigeon: and add colour pref :)) |
| 01:20.11 | pigeon | dc_: ;) |
| 01:20.25 | pigeon | You preferences/configs person. :) |
| 01:20.32 | dc_ | but I need an early night tonight. |
| 01:20.46 | pigeon | I still need food I reckon. |
| 01:20.46 | dc_ | pigeon: quite, that's why your the 133 7backend person :))) |
| 01:21.00 | dc_ | pigeon: I'd go get some now! |
| 01:21.10 | dc_ | pigeon: gpe-irc's survivial depends on it. |
| 01:21.18 | pigeon | Can someone e-mail me some food? |
| 01:21.44 | dc_ | pigeon: I'm waiting for the day I can. |
| 01:22.39 | pigeon | Yeah, the day when we have a usb socket connected to our stomach. |
| 01:22.50 | dc_ | heheh |
| 01:23.03 | dc_ | pigeon: right, code in cvs. |
| 01:23.03 | pigeon | With MS ActiveFoodSync. |
| 01:23.30 | dc_ | hah |
| 01:23.38 | dc_ | and .F00D ! |
| 01:24.46 | FlyPiper | sounds like you guys need to go get some FOOD:) |
| 01:25.01 | pigeon | FlyPiper: Good guess ;) |
| 01:25.13 | FlyPiper | pigeon: LOL |
| 01:25.53 | FlyPiper | pigeon: been eating Reeses Cups all night forgot about real food |
| 01:27.31 | pigeon | I imagine if one day we have blue teeth, then we can get food directly into our mouth via bluetooth. |
| 01:27.57 | dc_ | hah |
| 01:28.08 | pigeon | FlyPiper: What's Reeses Cups? |
| 01:28.56 | FlyPiper | pigeon: Peanut Butter Covered with chocolate.. Candy.. Food for Thought :) |
| 01:30.51 | pigeon | Woooooo... chocolate... |
| 01:31.40 | dc_ | night |
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| 02:35.48 | spung | Does anybody know if i can define attributes in a gtkrc to be used in pango layouts? |
| 02:36.47 | spung | (i usually find the answer after i ask the question in a public channel so i'm hoping it happends again :D) |
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| 11:10.35 | PaxAnima | morning |
| 11:20.38 | pigeon | Good nite PaxAnima ;) |
| 11:20.53 | PaxAnima | nite, pigeon ;) |
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| 11:26.02 | jsmanrique | morning |
| 11:27.03 | jsmanrique | two nice apps from the wince world |
| 11:27.07 | jsmanrique | resco explorer |
| 11:27.14 | jsmanrique | http://www.todopocketpc.com/imagenes/imag_noticias/resco_f_2003.gif |
| 11:27.30 | jsmanrique | and nice start |
| 11:27.32 | jsmanrique | http://www.todopocketpc.com/imagenes/imag_noticias/nice_start_es.gif |
| 11:47.03 | PaxAnima | morning, jsmanrique |
| 12:09.35 | jsmanrique | do you know 'file' program? |
| 12:09.58 | PaxAnima | what about it? |
| 12:10.12 | jsmanrique | in your pc/terminal |
| 12:10.23 | jsmanrique | type : file [filename] |
| 12:10.28 | jsmanrique | or : file * |
| 12:10.33 | PaxAnima | yes, I know about it |
| 12:11.00 | jsmanrique | would it be good for 'list mode' in the gpe filemanager? |
| 12:13.24 | jsmanrique | would it be good for 'list mode' in the gpe filemanager? |
| 12:13.51 | jsmanrique | to take the standard output and put it in the list view ..? |
| 12:16.30 | PaxAnima | think dc has a system for it, not sure how, though |
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| 12:22.40 | mibus | 'lo |
| 12:22.50 | mibus | still 'happy 2004'?? |
| 12:22.51 | mibus | sheesh |
| 12:23.03 | mibus | someone is still very much ahead of themselves |
| 12:23.15 | mibus | i suppose it means it doesn't need to be changed for another 24 months... |
| 12:23.16 | mibus | ;) |
| 13:01.23 | PaxAnima | hi, mibus |
| 13:11.50 | mibus | hallo pax |
| 13:11.52 | mibus | hows things? |
| 13:12.24 | PaxAnima | god |
| 13:12.25 | PaxAnima | good |
| 13:12.44 | PaxAnima | soon done with a predictive-ish input system for gpe-irc |
| 13:12.52 | mibus | cooooool |
| 13:13.00 | mibus | i got a new mobile phone |
| 13:13.06 | mibus | with T9 and a decent dictionary |
| 13:13.09 | mibus | very lovely :) |
| 13:13.28 | mibus | wouldnt mind a generic predictive text input |
| 13:13.43 | mibus | i think the easiest way would probably be to rewrite GtkText and GtkEntry... |
| 13:13.57 | mibus | or at least have libgpewidget override them |
| 13:14.37 | mibus | its so quiet... must be lots of people off *working* ;) |
| 13:14.44 | PaxAnima | heh |
| 13:16.16 | PaxAnima | the input system uses a dictionary which is sorted by the word frequency, and if that fails to give a word it uses a word completion from a general dictionary |
| 13:17.14 | mibus | cool |
| 13:17.15 | PaxAnima | the words are added to the first dictionry as the user types. if the word exists a counter is increased for that word, if not, the word is added with a counter set to 0 |
| 13:18.02 | mibus | thats what bothers my with my phone (nokia 3315) |
| 13:18.08 | mibus | the dictionary isnt sorted at all |
| 13:18.24 | mibus | so i always have to change 't' to 'u' (t,v,u is the order) |
| 13:18.41 | mibus | and 'vr' to 'ur' (vr,somethingelse,tr,ur) |
| 13:18.51 | mibus | and anything i've added comes last, which is worse again (doh!) |
| 13:18.52 | PaxAnima | managed to compress the file size of the general dictioary (38k words, with a file size of 351k) down to 60k by using both a dictionary compression scheme and gzip.. that's 80% reduction of the file size ;) |
| 13:19.00 | PaxAnima | mibus: yes, I know |
| 13:19.19 | mibus | like i write 'bobert' (a nickname) and it ALWAYS comes up with 'Ancest' first :-@ |
| 13:19.20 | mibus | ;) |
| 13:20.08 | PaxAnima | yes.... T9 should have used the word frequency as well, not just add words to the end |
| 13:22.40 | mibus | at least i dont send too many SMSes |
| 13:22.42 | mibus | :) |
| 13:25.24 | PaxAnima | the input system may also become a dock app, to predict word as you use xstroke/xkbd |
| 13:25.59 | mibus | oooooooooh |
| 13:27.05 | PaxAnima | I'll make the prediction part of it, and hopefull mallum will fix the rest ;) |
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| 13:30.16 | dc_ | morning! |
| 13:30.29 | mibus | yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 13:30.30 | mibus | dc_! |
| 13:30.33 | PaxAnima | morning, dc_ |
| 13:30.37 | mibus | got ur jumper back? |
| 13:30.42 | mibus | :P |
| 13:30.49 | dc_ | mibus: hehe, nope, but I've called your mum |
| 13:30.53 | mibus | oh good |
| 13:31.00 | mibus | you dont still have purple hair do you tho? :P |
| 13:31.09 | dc_ | mibus: so we're gonna get it next time we go in that direction. |
| 13:31.24 | dc_ | mibus: hah, no, my hair is short :/ |
| 13:31.31 | dc_ | mibus: and _normal_ colour. |
| 13:31.44 | dc_ | mibus: unlike your grease! |
| 13:31.58 | dc_ | PaxAnima: morning :) |
| 13:32.03 | mibus | lol |
| 13:32.09 | mibus | i washed my hair this morning |
| 13:32.13 | dc_ | mibus: have you seen gpe-irc yes? |
| 13:32.16 | dc_ | mibus: good'o |
| 13:32.17 | mibus | its _not_ greasy thankyouverymuch |
| 13:32.22 | mibus | um just ur screenshots |
| 13:32.30 | dc_ | mibus: it has colours now! |
| 13:32.32 | dc_ | mibus: fear. |
| 13:32.36 | mibus | oooooh, ahhhh :P |
| 13:32.44 | mibus | so? appmgr has ALPHA-BLENDING |
| 13:32.44 | dc_ | yesss. |
| 13:32.50 | mibus | :P |
| 13:32.51 | dc_ | mibus: =P |
| 13:32.52 | mibus | :P:P |
| 13:32.55 | mibus | :) |
| 13:33.00 | dc_ | mibus: only because I made you. |
| 13:33.01 | mibus | emoticon heaven, yaaay! ;) |
| 13:33.09 | mibus | lol no it was pb's fault |
| 13:33.18 | mibus | he submitted a patch aaaaaages ago |
| 13:33.25 | mibus | when libgpewidget was an itty bitty baby |
| 13:33.26 | mibus | :) |
| 13:33.27 | dc_ | mibus: and pb's fault was my nagging ;] |
| 13:33.31 | mibus | LOL! |
| 13:33.51 | mibus | well you mustve nagged to him about nmf cos he finally made a release of that too! ;) |
| 13:33.59 | mibus | of course, my half-dozen emails probably helped :) |
| 13:34.03 | dc_ | ah yes |
| 13:34.32 | mibus | tremor takes around 60% of the CPU that the old decoder took |
| 13:34.36 | mibus | even including the gst overhead |
| 13:34.52 | dc_ | great. |
| 13:34.57 | mibus | an ipaq underclocked to 70MHz can *happily* decode a q=-1 file :) |
| 13:35.06 | mibus | of course |
| 13:35.07 | dc_ | ooooooh |
| 13:35.21 | mibus | it has loop and shuffle support (thanks to urs truly) but no way to turn it on... |
| 13:35.26 | mibus | doh ;) |
| 13:35.41 | mibus | i might bug him to add an xst option if not a GUI option |
| 13:35.46 | dc_ | heh |
| 13:36.48 | mibus | hows gpe-fm? |
| 13:36.56 | mibus | got it actually Mming yet? |
| 13:36.57 | mibus | :P |
| 13:37.03 | dc_ | yes |
| 13:37.04 | mibus | or still just gpe-flooking |
| 13:37.05 | mibus | :P |
| 13:37.08 | dc_ | it uses gnome-vfs now! |
| 13:37.13 | mibus | yah i heard |
| 13:37.19 | mibus | can it browse ftp etc.? |
| 13:37.27 | dc_ | supposivly. |
| 13:37.31 | mibus | :) |
| 13:37.33 | dc_ | havn't actualy tried. |
| 13:37.41 | mibus | im actually miffed right now |
| 13:37.43 | dc_ | but it still lacks any actualy filemanager function. |
| 13:37.44 | mibus | dillo2 won't work |
| 13:37.45 | dc_ | s |
| 13:37.49 | dc_ | heh |
| 13:37.49 | mibus | neither will gpe-fm2 |
| 13:37.52 | dc_ | heh |
| 13:37.53 | dc_ | ! |
| 13:38.00 | mibus | i think its glib's fault |
| 13:38.07 | mibus | complains about trying to allocate RAM and dies |
| 13:38.11 | mibus | lemme grab my ipaq... |
| 13:39.05 | dc_ | __moray: hey |
| 13:39.18 | mibus | Glib-ERROR **: <snip> failed to allocate 35651584 bytes |
| 13:39.20 | mibus | aborting... |
| 13:39.27 | mibus | Trace/breakpoint trap |
| 13:39.53 | mibus | dillo does it too |
| 13:40.00 | dc_ | __moray: you need to put gpe-julia's private pixmaps in $PREFIX/share/gpe/pixmaps/default/julia not gpe-julia, and also change the icons struct accordingly. |
| 13:40.06 | mibus | just after drawing a blank window |
| 13:40.09 | dc_ | mibus: have you totaly upgraded? |
| 13:40.16 | dc_ | to ltest unstable? |
| 13:40.36 | mibus | dc_: i ipkg-upgraded to 0.6's feed, then upgraded gtk2 etc. to unstable about five days ago |
| 13:40.46 | mibus | libc6, gtk2, dillo2, all latest |
| 13:41.05 | mibus | -contacts and -cal were broken too IIRC but an upgrade fixed them |
| 13:41.09 | mibus | appmgr2 is still perfect :P |
| 13:41.17 | mibus | gdb'ing doesn't show anything useful |
| 13:41.23 | mibus | (havent stepped through yet tho) |
| 13:41.27 | __moray | dc_: hm, I saw some other programs did that, but is there actually a good reason for it? not all GPE programs will necessarily be called 'gpe-*', so it could lead to problems, surely? |
| 13:41.43 | mibus | __moray: all GPE programs will be gpe-* |
| 13:41.52 | dc_ | __moray: yes. |
| 13:41.56 | mibus | __moray: just not all programs that come with GPE will be GPE programs :P |
| 13:41.57 | mibus | eg. dillo |
| 13:41.59 | dc_ | __moray: we hpope. |
| 13:42.13 | mibus | eg. matchbox |
| 13:42.13 | dc_ | __moray: but then the others arn't alowed to put there icons in the gpe folders. |
| 13:42.21 | __moray | dc_: hmm |
| 13:42.23 | mibus | sounds about right... |
| 13:42.32 | mibus | thats *my* view anyhow :) |
| 13:43.34 | __moray | surely once GPE rules the (Linux handhelds) world, people may think it's unnecessary to specify 'gpe-' in some random third party application, and e.g. someone will write a program for GPE that displays a picture of his girlfriend, called 'Julia'... |
| 13:44.20 | __moray | what's the *reason* for not including 'gpe-' in the pixmap path anyway, other than it being 4 characters shorter? (you don't need to type it often) |
| 13:45.13 | mibus | __moray: its redundant :P |
| 13:45.26 | mibus | .../share/***gpe***/... |
| 13:46.32 | __moray | mibus: but what other Unix path follows the convention of shortening app names? |
| 13:46.48 | __moray | e.g. all the GNOME stuff always specifies the full name (AFAICR), which seems clearly to me? |
| 13:47.11 | __moray | or X programs don't start cutting off the 'x' from the start |
| 13:47.30 | __moray | (and note how few X programs now think it's worth saying 'x' in the name) |
| 13:47.36 | mibus | well.... |
| 13:47.59 | __moray | I can see that leaving out 'gpe-' would work for now, but I think it will seem ugly in a while ;) |
| 13:48.07 | mibus | GNOME people have 1600x1200 monitors... they can afford the space? |
| 13:48.16 | mibus | look in CVS |
| 13:48.20 | mibus | gpe-this, gpe-that |
| 13:48.32 | mibus | trying to quickly find something is getting harder |
| 13:48.45 | mibus | as long as we stick to ONE standard i dont really think its so important what |
| 13:49.09 | dc_ | okay okay... |
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| 13:50.13 | dc_ | pb_: just in time |
| 13:50.22 | pb_ | dc_: afternoon |
| 13:50.45 | dc_ | pb_: :) |
| 13:50.54 | dc_ | __moray: have it your way ;p |
| 13:51.02 | mibus | *grumble* *grumble* morning... (technically)... |
| 13:51.05 | mibus | :) |
| 13:51.05 | dc_ | __moray: but it'll always look the odd one out. |
| 13:51.14 | dc_ | __moray: hehe =P |
| 13:51.27 | pb_ | hi mibus |
| 13:51.29 | dc_ | brb food. |
| 13:51.33 | __moray | hello pb_ |
| 13:51.34 | mibus | dc_: which part of 'ONE standard' didn't you too listen to? its like arguing with my sister! |
| 13:51.44 | mibus | (or worse yet, trying to explain something to my boss, lol) |
| 13:51.53 | dc_ | mibus: bah. |
| 13:52.08 | dc_ | let me get some food before I die. |
| 13:52.51 | __moray | pb_: you missed the 'should we specify "gpe-" in paths' argument |
| 13:52.52 | mibus | ;) |
| 13:53.03 | pb_ | __moray: phew |
| 13:54.12 | __moray | so do we think anyone would miss the links/resources page if its content were merged elsewhere? and if so, should its content be moved and other new content be added, anyway? |
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| 13:56.48 | pb_ | __moray: I guess not, though the really random links like "interesting applications" don't have any other obvious home. |
| 13:57.31 | mibus | pb_: wiki it maybe? |
| 13:57.42 | __moray | pb_: yes, they provide some sort of restraint on removing it - although I suppose even that could be moved into Projects |
| 13:58.14 | pb_ | __moray: maybe just move the "useful standards" section to the Standards page, and leave everything else where it is for now. |
| 13:58.37 | pb_ | __moray: stuff like the Newton interface guidelines doesn't really seem to qualify as a standard, but I guess it is still interesting to link to. |
| 13:58.55 | pb_ | __moray: in similar vein there is some Palm UI documentation linked from the wiki, which could be added there. |
| 13:59.31 | __moray | pb_: yes. I'm wondering if there's some sort of distinction between things interesting to developers/outsiders, but I'm not sure what to do about it if there is |
| 14:00.35 | pb_ | __moray: probaby not worth worrying about that too much at this stage. The stuff that really is "developers interest only" tends to live in the wiki, which I think is an OK arrangement. |
| 14:01.16 | mibus | hey pb_, i just had a thought that i'm gonna have to check on... |
| 14:01.20 | mibus | (yah i know its dangerous ;) |
| 14:01.46 | mibus | pb_: if appmgr sends the popup but no-one's listening, won't it be stuck 'bold'? that'd seriously suck... |
| 14:02.36 | mibus | pb_: is there some way to say, eg. "if (gtk_signal_connected(il, "popup") == TRUE) {...} else {...}"? |
| 14:02.40 | pb_ | mibus: iconlist you mean? Yes, that will happen, but apps can either set_embolden(FALSE) or hang a dummy handler off the popup signal to avoid it. |
| 14:03.14 | pb_ | mibus: dunno, you would have to check the GLib documentation. |
| 14:03.52 | mibus | pb_: yah, will do next time im at my hacking house (ie. not here, next stop: wednesday...) |
| 14:03.57 | pb_ | mibus: if you were prepared to legislate that the popup would always be a gtkmenu, you could just have apps pass it in to iconlist and handle the popping up/down internally, which would avoid the whole issue. |
| 14:04.17 | pb_ | mibus: ah, I didn't realise you had a dedicated hacking house :-) |
| 14:07.33 | mibus | pb_: no, just my dad's house has an athlon XP1600+ and a cross-compiler (and USB even ;) and my mum's PC... is similarly-classed to the iPAQ but fits on a desk |
| 14:08.00 | pb_ | mibus: ah, I see. |
| 14:08.00 | mibus | 200MHz/128MB/6GB[damaged disk, gonna die soonish :(] |
| 14:08.18 | mibus | and because my mum's away (visiting dc_ ;) i'm housesitting |
| 14:08.25 | mibus | :) |
| 14:08.31 | pb_ | hehe. |
| 14:08.37 | pb_ | did you remember to send dc_'s jumper? |
| 14:09.41 | mibus | pb_: yah she packed it away |
| 14:09.43 | __moray | hm, is iCalendar something we're definitely supporting, or just something interesting? (and we've not decided yet we'll necessarily use syncml, have we?) |
| 14:09.51 | mibus | pb_: and she's bringing back farscape S2 & S3 on DVD, yay |
| 14:10.02 | pb_ | __moray: I think it's a fair bet we will use iCal etc for PIM data exchange. |
| 14:10.16 | mibus | __moray: we can't use syncml unless they talk to use and AFAIK they STILL haven't responded... |
| 14:19.06 | dc_ | mibus: hehe, you can't get it in oz can you? |
| 14:20.07 | mibus | no |
| 14:20.18 | dc_ | ;p |
| 14:20.18 | mibus | S1 was only recently released |
| 14:20.41 | mibus | and we already had it from when my grandparents last went UKing |
| 14:20.51 | dc_ | omg. |
| 14:21.21 | mibus | ? |
| 14:21.28 | dc_ | mibus: oh my god. |
| 14:21.43 | mibus | yah duh |
| 14:21.49 | mibus | i meant at what specifically? |
| 14:21.52 | mibus | ibot: 'night |
| 14:21.53 | | mibus: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 14:21.58 | mibus | LOL! |
| 14:22.02 | dc_ | mibus: hehe |
| 14:22.02 | mibus | ibot: goodnight |
| 14:22.03 | | Have a goodnight! |
| 14:22.17 | mibus | 'night everyone |
| 14:22.20 | dc_ | mibus: I ment how 'oh my god' at how far behind oz is. |
| 14:22.22 | pb_ | night mibus |
| 14:22.24 | mibus | bedtime for poor mibus |
| 14:22.25 | dc_ | mibus: night |
| 14:22.29 | dc_ | quite. |
| 14:22.35 | mibus | dc_: yah and we frelling-well make it ;) |
| 14:22.44 | dc_ | mibus: heh, yeah |
| 14:22.48 | mibus | we only havent gotten 3.5 bought for us apparently |
| 14:23.42 | mibus | cya l8r d00dz |
| 14:23.44 | mibus | ;) |
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| 14:28.06 | dc_ | heh |
| 14:32.39 | pb_ | dc_: ipkg install http://handhelds.org/feeds/unstable/libgpewidget1_0.41_arm.ipk |
| 14:32.46 | pb_ | dc_: now uses short month names in the calendar. |
| 14:34.38 | dc_ | pb_: ah great, works :) |
| 14:36.15 | dc_ | pb_: also, are the popups in month view supposed to time out so quickly? |
| 14:45.40 | pb_ | dc_: no. |
| 14:45.45 | pb_ | dc_: I'm not sure what's going wrong there. |
| 14:46.24 | pb_ | maybe some bad interaction with the tap-and-hold stuff. |
| 14:46.42 | dc_ | pb_: it stays if I click a day with an appointment, then quickly select the appointment in the popup's little list. |
| 14:46.48 | pb_ | dc_: right. |
| 14:47.14 | dc_ | oh wow, gtk gave me some helpfull errors for once. |
| 14:47.21 | dc_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:47.23 | dc_ | very nice of it :) |
| 14:47.38 | pb_ | heh. |
| 14:56.56 | pb_ | ah, it would appear there's a problem with windows that select for ButtonPress but not ButtonRelease events. |
| 14:57.01 | dc_ | ah |
| 14:57.21 | pb_ | I guess I'll have to disable the tap'n'hold code again for the time being. |
| 14:58.11 | dc_ | oh well. |
| 15:01.17 | pb_ | well, as a temporary measure I'll make a new gpe-calendar that does select for both events. If the problem turns out not to be widespread we might be able to just live with it. |
| 15:06.09 | pb_ | dc_: oh, btw, I fixed up the pango stuff in the end last night, it should be working ok now. |
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| 15:18.07 | PaxAnima | hi, Jacmet |
| 15:18.40 | Jacmet | PaxAnima: hi, what's up? |
| 15:19.38 | PaxAnima | Jacmet: coding some predictive input thingie |
| 15:20.30 | PaxAnima | Jacmet: any sugestions for a diploma thesis that has something to do with computer vision/image processing? |
| 15:21.33 | Jacmet | PaxAnima: predictive? |
| 15:22.18 | PaxAnima | Jacmet: well, "smart word completion" is more correct, I'd guess |
| 15:23.04 | dc_ | pb_: is it just me or was there ever a gpe function that takes an icon name and returns a GtkWidget of it? |
| 15:23.25 | Jacmet | PaxAnima: hmm.. video compression (ogg/tarkin|theora, ffmpeg) or perhaps some 3d from 2d (structure from motion) |
| 15:23.33 | Jacmet | PaxAnima: using a word book ? |
| 15:24.52 | PaxAnima | Jacmet: yes... |
| 15:25.03 | pb_ | dc_: I don't think there was a single function, but gpe_render_icon (style, gpe_find_icon ("name")) will do that. |
| 15:25.11 | dc_ | ah okay |
| 15:25.29 | PaxAnima | Jacmet: or two actually: one for for common words, that completes the word based on the most frequently used words and one for "the rest" of the words |
| 15:25.50 | PaxAnima | Jacmet: the common word dictionary gets updated as the user types the word... |
| 15:26.01 | PaxAnima | words |
| 15:26.16 | Jacmet | PaxAnima: ohh ok, sounds cool |
| 15:26.35 | PaxAnima | Jacmet: yeah, it seems to work well |
| 15:27.46 | Jacmet | PaxAnima: how well does it handle 'special' textinput like what you would type to use a shell ? |
| 15:28.06 | PaxAnima | Jacmet: how "specical"? |
| 15:28.33 | Jacmet | PaxAnima: typical input is filenames, /, *, ?, [, ], and so on |
| 15:28.39 | Jacmet | -+ |
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| 15:29.57 | PaxAnima | dont't see why/how it should handle it? it is just to make the input easier by suggesting word completions |
| 15:30.21 | dc__ | happy 2004... |
| 15:30.25 | Jacmet | PaxAnima: yes, it's just that this kind of input doesn't match well with a word book |
| 15:30.45 | pb_ | dc__: is that some private joke of mallum's? |
| 15:30.56 | dc__ | pb_: I think it must be |
| 15:32.31 | pb_ | dc__: try http://handhelds.org/feeds/unstable/gpe-calendar2_0.31_arm.ipk |
| 15:32.39 | pb_ | dc__: seems to work ok for me. |
| 15:34.39 | dc__ | pb_: yep, much better. |
| 15:35.52 | PaxAnima | hmm... coffee seems like a good idea |
| 15:40.01 | pb_ | dc__: cool |
| 15:48.07 | dc__ | yay |
| 15:48.13 | dc__ | I found an mbmenu bug |
| 15:48.17 | pb_ | yay |
| 15:48.24 | pb_ | what's the bug? |
| 15:48.45 | dc__ | pb_: open mbmenu, and click on an item numerous time. |
| 15:48.47 | dc__ | s |
| 15:49.14 | pb_ | heh, neat. |
| 15:49.20 | dc__ | yep |
| 15:49.21 | dc__ | hehe |
| 15:53.57 | PaxAnima | hmm.. gpe sees to be screwed after a fresh ipkg upgrade... there is no text, whatsover |
| 15:54.14 | PaxAnima | on labels and buttons |
| 15:56.26 | PaxAnima | on any gtk2 widgets in general |
| 15:57.26 | __moray | you probably need to make sure you have some pango text renderers and an up-to-date configuration file listing them |
| 15:58.18 | PaxAnima | hmm.. shouldn't the postinst in the packages fix that? |
| 16:02.33 | dc__ | bbl, tv. |
| 16:02.49 | dc__ | soon we'll have configurable colours for gpe-irc :D |
| 16:02.57 | PaxAnima | yay! ;) |
| 16:09.10 | PaxAnima | gpe-nmf crahses :/ |
| 16:11.24 | spung | Does anybody know if i can define attributes in a gtkrc to be used in pango layouts? |
| 16:12.23 | PaxAnima | spung: tried asksing on #gtk+ on irc.gimp.org? |
| 16:12.47 | spung | PaxAnima: yeah, people idle too much over there, i'll try again |
| 16:15.12 | PaxAnima | dc_bbl: you haven't added the rotation UI for gpe-gallery yet? |
| 16:20.10 | dc_bbl | PaxAnima: roation ui? |
| 16:20.38 | PaxAnima | dc_bbl: how do I rotate an image in gpe-gallery? |
| 16:20.47 | dc_bbl | PaxAnima: oh |
| 16:20.53 | dc_bbl | PaxAnima: yeah, it is there. |
| 16:21.04 | dc_bbl | PaxAnima: but just not properly connected to the button. |
| 16:21.09 | PaxAnima | ah |
| 16:21.09 | dc_bbl | PaxAnima: since it had errors. |
| 16:21.29 | PaxAnima | gpe-gallery hangs when I click the rotate button |
| 16:21.36 | dc_bbl | probly. |
| 16:22.38 | spung | why do you need image rotation in a PDA? you can simply rotate the pda :) |
| 16:22.52 | dc_bbl | ahha... |
| 16:23.02 | dc_bbl | spung: never heard that before! |
| 16:26.22 | dc_bbl | right, bbl. |
| 16:30.25 | __moray | dc_bbl: spung's comment is actually somewhat true, in that if you're displaying photographs you might do better by displaying fullscreen and making the user rotate than by wasting space around a rotated image |
| 16:30.41 | __moray | though within the normal GUI I think you would want rotate |
| 16:30.42 | __moray | w/in2 |
| 16:30.46 | __moray | (whoops) |
| 16:32.55 | PaxAnima | __moray: the excellent rotation code _has_ to be used... it's soooo cooool... (and written by me, of course;) |
| 16:33.58 | __moray | grnk, so having been delayed until now I don't know whether it's worth going back to Cambridge today, since I think all the food shops will be shut... |
| 16:34.13 | PaxAnima | heh |
| 16:34.15 | pb_ | __moray: indeed. |
| 16:36.16 | PaxAnima | __moray: does the universities in the UK/Ireland have courses/degrees after Master that is not Phd? not sure if I want to apply for jobs after this semester or study some more... |
| 16:37.36 | spung | PaxAnima: don't do either.. become a full-time gpe developer :D |
| 16:37.43 | PaxAnima | heh |
| 16:37.47 | spung | like pb_ |
| 16:37.50 | spung | ;) |
| 16:40.33 | __moray | PaxAnima: erm, depends what kind of Master, but not especially - there are both undergraduate and postgraduate masters courses |
| 16:40.57 | __moray | spung: why, have you found someone offering to pay full-time GPE developers...? |
| 16:41.23 | spung | PaxAnima's parents? ;) |
| 16:41.30 | PaxAnima | ok... not sure how my degree is compared to the Master degree elsewhere |
| 16:45.11 | PaxAnima | __moray: what's the due date for applying to postgraduate master? |
| 16:48.05 | __moray | PaxAnima: the one I did last year is here: http://www.informatics.ed.ac.uk/prospectus/graduate/msc.html and says they would like people to apply by the end of March |
| 16:48.24 | PaxAnima | ok |
| 16:49.40 | __moray | PaxAnima: what's your degree title/subject? |
| 16:50.28 | __moray | PaxAnima: in some places you can also do an MPhil, which is probably in between masters and phd |
| 16:51.22 | PaxAnima | well, it's a Master-ish (it's 5year, and has a norwegian name, but it's compatible to a Master. From next year it's a Mater of Technology degree, I think) |
| 16:51.27 | PaxAnima | degree |
| 16:51.48 | __moray | ok, if it's 5 years then that's like an undergraduate Masters degree would be at Edinburgh |
| 16:52.00 | PaxAnima | ok |
| 16:52.07 | __moray | e.g. in engineering, if you do 5 years you get an MEng I think |
| 16:52.14 | pb_ | yeah, I think that's right. |
| 16:52.17 | __moray | you can also stop earlier and get ? BEng |
| 16:52.22 | __moray | IIRC |
| 16:52.51 | __moray | it's more complicated at Cambridge, since the 3 year degree is given to you as a BA, but matures into an MA a few years later, for historical reasons... |
| 16:53.01 | PaxAnima | BA? |
| 16:53.13 | __moray | Bachelor of Arts |
| 16:53.17 | PaxAnima | oh |
| 16:53.37 | __moray | most English universities give a BA as their basic degree, though usually it would be a BSc for science subjects |
| 16:53.53 | __moray | my course last year was an MSc |
| 16:54.42 | PaxAnima | not very familiar with the international system, but from next year, all studies here in Norway will use it |
| 16:56.42 | PaxAnima | maybe contact my school and see if they have any agreements with other universities abroad... guess it's easier if the university I should apply to actualy knows what my degree is ;) |
| 16:56.42 | __moray | with e.g. the MSc I did last year, you could choose quite specialised topics, so that some people did it who already had a masters of another sort |
| 16:56.47 | __moray | ha |
| 16:57.26 | __moray | quite a lot of people on my course last year were from universities elsewhere in Europe |
| 16:58.11 | __moray | the Computer Science people at Cambridge, however, e.g., don't really have an equivalent - you're just expected to go from the undergraduate course straight into a phd |
| 16:58.32 | __moray | they have a postgraduate Diploma, but that's designed for people who didn't know anything about computers after their first degree |
| 16:58.40 | PaxAnima | heh |
| 16:58.51 | PaxAnima | how many years is Phd in the UK? |
| 16:59.23 | pb_ | varies, but I guess about 4 would be usual. |
| 16:59.38 | PaxAnima | same as here, then |
| 16:59.46 | pb_ | some people get it done in three; some take a lot longer. |
| 16:59.54 | __moray | normal it's officially 3 years here I think, but you're expected to at least run into a fourth year |
| 17:00.04 | PaxAnima | well, I'm still young at age 23 ;) |
| 17:00.22 | __moray | PaxAnima: I'm only 22... |
| 17:00.43 | __moray | I have actually been considering doing a PhD recently, partly due to the terrible job situation just now |
| 17:00.44 | pb_ | heh, you youngsters. |
| 17:00.56 | __moray | pb_: :p |
| 17:01.04 | spung | i'm 18 ;) |
| 17:01.15 | spung | dc_ is 15? |
| 17:01.17 | spung | ;) |
| 17:01.21 | PaxAnima | __moray: yes, not easy getting a job nowadays, at least not something that is interesting |
| 17:01.37 | __moray | PaxAnima: quite. and I'd prefer something that at least leaves a little time for GPE ;) |
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| 17:01.58 | PaxAnima | heh |
| 17:02.24 | __moray | dc_bbl/spung: though, to think what I'd have achieved had I had useful net access, ipaqs etc. at 15..... ;) |
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| 17:03.08 | pb_ | yo walters |
| 17:03.28 | mallum | hey |
| 17:03.38 | pb_ | hi mallum |
| 17:03.45 | walters | hey all. |
| 17:03.46 | __moray | spung: my parents didn't let me use a modem at home until quite late, basically at the point where they realised that this internet thing I'd been going on about might catch on after all, and decided they might want to use email themselves |
| 17:03.50 | __moray | hello mallum, walters |
| 17:05.13 | mallum | __moray: my old girlfriends dad got the internet when it was like 100 pounds a month subscription |
| 17:06.01 | __moray | mallum: well, I'd had occasional access to it at school etc. before that - although I also remember fondly the days when you could download programs off teletext into a BBC... |
| 17:06.29 | pb_ | oh yes, telesoftware. |
| 17:07.06 | __moray | mallum: my brother was 4 years older, so when he was at university and I went to visit I'd spend my time sat in the computer room using net access while I could... |
| 17:07.28 | __moray | (is 4 years older still in fact, before anyone worries) |
| 17:08.21 | spung | __moray: my sister is 8 years old and she uses Linux.. and has e-mail, and visits www.barbie.com and stuff like that... :) |
| 17:08.56 | spung | Debian Jr. is cool |
| 17:09.35 | __moray | I first got access to computers properly when I was 8, but that was the BBCs, so learning BASIC etc. |
| 17:10.32 | __moray | spung: I have my grandmother using Linux too, btw, having never used a computer before (nor even knowing how to type) |
| 17:10.36 | pb_ | mallum: did you ever flash that new cyclone into your cats? |
| 17:10.45 | mallum | pb_: yeah I think so |
| 17:10.49 | __moray | spung: (the rest of my family have more of a pro-microsoft bias in reaction to me) |
| 17:11.05 | pb_ | mallum: ah cool. I was going to try that today. |
| 17:11.16 | pb_ | mallum: thought I'd check first in case your machine had been hosed by the upgrade :-) |
| 17:17.43 | PaxAnima | getting even closer to world domination with my dictionary system: now it saves and loads the statistics |
| 17:19.31 | pb_ | no cables. suck. |
| 17:45.00 | mallum | if I want to change the name of a directory in CVS, I have to basically remove it and recreate it right ? |
| 17:47.41 | pb_ | or rename it in the repository. |
| 17:49.20 | mallum | hmmm |
| 17:56.28 | __moray | (renaming it in the repository has the advantage of keeping the log information usefully, even though it's a bit nasty in itself) |
| 18:24.22 | dc_bbl | __moray: '<__moray> dc_bbl/spung: though, to think what I'd have achieved had I had useful net access, ipaqs etc. at 15..... ;)' hehe =P |
| 18:25.24 | dc_bbl | mallum: oh, oh! |
| 18:25.34 | dc_bbl | mallum: I found an mbmenu bug today. |
| 18:25.42 | dc_bbl | mallum: I'm very proud of it. |
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| 18:31.14 | dc_ | now I crash xchat |
| 18:31.20 | dc_ | this.cname.deprecated.as.we.have.changed.our.name.to.freenode.net |
| 18:31.31 | dc_ | guess that gets the message across |
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| 18:38.18 | mallum | dc_: oh whats the bug ? |
| 18:38.42 | dc_ | mallum: well, if you open mbmenu and click on an item numerous times... |
| 18:38.50 | dc_ | mallum: it slowly gets lighter. |
| 18:41.26 | mallum | dc_: with transpareny right ? |
| 18:41.39 | dc_ | yes |
| 18:41.51 | mallum | dc_: latest build ? |
| 18:42.01 | dc_ | from your feed. |
| 18:42.04 | dc_ | iirc |
| 18:42.47 | mallum | dc_: what does matchbox -version give ? |
| 18:43.47 | dc_ | ~ # matchbox -version |
| 18:43.50 | dc_ | Segmentation fault |
| 18:43.50 | dc_ | heh |
| 18:43.55 | dc_ | ack |
| 18:43.56 | mallum | heh ;-) |
| 18:43.57 | dc_ | bbl food. |
| 18:44.57 | mallum | dc_: ipkg install http://handhelds.org/~mallum/downloadables/experimental/matchbox_0.4pre.20030103-0_arm.ipk |
| 19:21.01 | dc_ | mallum: right |
| 19:21.06 | dc_ | mallum: bug still there |
| 19:25.21 | mallum | dc_: okey, I'll fix it |
| 19:25.29 | mallum | dc_: I have a tank in Halo now |
| 19:25.43 | dc_ | mallum: banshees ;} |
| 19:28.13 | mallum | dc_: do you get planes ? |
| 19:28.32 | dc_ | mallum: yep |
| 19:28.39 | dc_ | mallum: well, more like choppers |
| 19:28.49 | dc_ | mallum: have you met the flood yet? |
| 19:29.00 | mallum | dc_: no, I like in thi snowy place |
| 19:29.11 | dc_ | ahhh |
| 19:29.24 | dc_ | mallum: well, I wouldn't want to spoil the story for you :)) |
| 19:29.35 | mallum | dc_: ;-) |
| 19:29.39 | dc_ | hehe |
| 19:29.41 | dc_ | yep |
| 19:29.41 | dc_ | ! |
| 19:29.49 | dc_ | mallum: defently get sid to play co-op |
| 19:29.54 | PaxAnima | is Halo released for PC yet? |
| 19:30.01 | dc_ | mallum: having a gun operator is great fun. |
| 19:33.07 | mallum | PaxAnima: no xbox only afaik |
| 19:34.03 | PaxAnima | when I tried Halo a long time ago, I remember that in multiplayer mode, you got a "Press Space to respawn" when I died... |
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| 19:41.44 | dc__ | heh |
| 19:41.51 | dc__ | and I was thinking I was connected |
| 19:47.11 | pb_ | heh |
| 19:47.13 | pb_ | hate it when that happens. |
| 19:47.28 | dc__ | heh |
| 19:50.14 | dc__ | hmmm |
| 19:50.15 | dc__ | I fear. |
| 19:50.20 | dc__ | pigeon: awake? |
| 19:50.33 | dc__ | pb_: do you have a copy of gpe-irc there? |
| 19:50.45 | dc__ | pb_: I want your opinion on a ui consirn. |
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| 19:56.19 | pb_ | dc__: say your concern |
| 19:56.27 | pb_ | dc__: I always keep a copy of gpe-irc close at hand. |
| 19:57.22 | dc__ | pb_: hehe, right, when you open the networks config. |
| 19:57.31 | dc__ | pb_: and then click new or modify... |
| 19:57.39 | dc__ | pb_: do your stuff, then hit Close. |
| 19:57.58 | pb_ | right |
| 19:57.59 | dc__ | pb_: I'm afraid people might assume there is a close button in the same place on the other window. |
| 19:58.09 | dc__ | pb_: and hit delete instead :/ |
| 19:58.14 | pb_ | dc__: yes, I can see that. |
| 19:58.42 | pb_ | dc__: maybe you should do the same two-level thing, so have Save and Close buttons on both windows. |
| 19:59.34 | dc__ | yesss... |
| 19:59.44 | dc__ | pb_: maybe I'll do that. |
| 20:00.54 | dc__ | I should really put the stuff in a frame |
| 20:01.06 | pb_ | yeah |
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| 20:53.27 | dc__ | :\ |
| 21:01.35 | PaxAnima | dc__: how is gpe-irc coming along? |
| 21:44.25 | *** join/#gpe dc___ (~dc@modem-164-48-60-62.vip.uk.com) |
| 21:47.01 | dc___ | PaxAnima: oh great! |
| 21:47.18 | dc___ | PaxAnima: I've just been cleaning up the widget packing in the config. |
| 22:02.27 | PaxAnima | dc___: nice |
| 22:03.20 | PaxAnima | dc___: still not done with a couple of things for the dictionary, but the loading and saving of the statistics works |
| 22:03.52 | dc___ | PaxAnima: great. |
| 22:04.02 | dc___ | pb_: have you worked with stock items at all? |
| 22:04.20 | dc___ | pb_: I regret to say I think it'd be a good idea to switch some stuff over to it.... |
| 22:04.28 | pb_ | dc___: yah |
| 22:04.41 | pb_ | dc___: that is, yes it would be a good idea, not yes I've worked with them. |
| 22:04.41 | dc___ | pb_: also the languages work out of the box. |
| 22:05.00 | pb_ | languages? |
| 22:05.17 | dc___ | pb_: quite, they seems to work well, only problem is, I'm not sure how to make them use 16 icons instead of the 24x24 ones. |
| 22:05.40 | dc___ | pb_: well, by using stock buttons in gpe-irc it displays them all in jap. |
| 22:05.44 | pb_ | dc___: ah, I see. |
| 22:07.04 | pb_ | dc___: yeah, I'm not sure what to do about the size either. |
| 22:07.22 | dc___ | where do you think gtk sets it? |
| 22:07.32 | pb_ | dc___: gtk_style_render_icon takes a "size" argument, but it's just of the form "large", "small", etc, not an actual number of pixels. |
| 22:07.44 | pb_ | dc___: it might be a style property. |
| 22:08.06 | dc___ | ah yes |
| 22:08.14 | dc___ | pb_: any ideas where it might be set? |
| 22:08.39 | pb_ | dc___: there's Gtk/IconSizes and Gtk/ToolbarIconSize in XSETTINGS, but I'm not sure exactly what they do. |
| 22:08.53 | dc___ | that must be it... |
| 22:09.00 | dc___ | pb_: how can I change them? |
| 22:09.13 | pb_ | dc___: use xst |
| 22:09.42 | pb_ | dc___: oh, actually, I guess you're on your desktop. |
| 22:09.45 | pb_ | in which case I'm not sure. |
| 22:09.50 | pb_ | presumably with GConf. |
| 22:09.55 | dc___ | yep |
| 22:10.48 | pb_ | yeah, there are gconf keys for things like /desktop/gnome/interface/toolbar_icon_size |
| 22:11.20 | dc___ | I see... |
| 22:11.27 | dc___ | my is set to nothing |
| 22:11.37 | dc___ | and I can't change it :/ |
| 22:11.40 | dc___ | in gconf-editor |
| 22:11.41 | pb_ | ah. |
| 22:12.02 | pb_ | I think you need to find some 1337 gnome h4x0r. |
| 22:12.10 | dc___ | yes |
| 22:12.21 | dc___ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.34 | pb_ | I think that channel is invite only. |
| 22:13.06 | dc___ | heh |
| 22:13.07 | dc___ | e |
| 22:14.20 | dc___ | I guess we can change it in gtk? |
| 22:14.27 | pb_ | I guess. |
| 22:14.42 | dc___ | and I'd thin it'd make sense to do that |
| 22:15.23 | pb_ | Well, it seems like the kind of thing that should be getting set in the theme. |
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| 22:19.56 | dc___ | maybe we can make a gpe_button_new_from_stock :) |
| 22:20.27 | pb_ | Heh, yes, possibly. |
| 22:20.44 | pb_ | I've actually just removed a load of the icon handling stuff from libgpewidget. The old pixmap-rendering functions are all gone now. |
| 22:20.54 | dc___ | I notices ;] |
| 22:20.57 | dc___ | s |
| 22:20.58 | dc___ | d |
| 22:21.10 | pb_ | As far as I could tell, nothing was using them, and GtkPixmap doesn't work with display migration. |
| 22:21.51 | pb_ | gpe_render_icon() itself still exists, but it's now just a wrapper round gtk_image_new_from_pixbuf, so apps may as well just call that directly. |
| 22:22.24 | dc___ | yes |
| 22:23.44 | prpplague | dc___: getting a litte long in the tooth on your nick? |
| 22:23.57 | dc___ | prpplague: tail! |
| 22:24.27 | prpplague | lol |
| 22:24.31 | dc_ | ;] |
| 22:55.04 | dc_ | weeeeeeeee :D |
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| 22:55.15 | dc_ | pb_: behold gpe_button_new_from_stock ! |
| 22:55.22 | pb_ | dc_: :-) |
| 22:55.28 | hunterkll | lol |
| 22:57.21 | dc_ | pb_: just a bit of code fromg gtkbutton.c and we were set ;] |
| 22:57.27 | pb_ | dc_: cool! |
| 22:59.20 | dc_ | hrm |
| 22:59.28 | dc_ | only problem is jap takes up too much space :/ |
| 22:59.39 | pb_ | ah. |
| 23:00.15 | dc_ | I know! |
| 23:00.18 | dc_ | wee |
| 23:09.24 | hunterkll | lol |
| 23:09.31 | dc_ | wahay! |
| 23:09.49 | hunterkll | YAY |
| 23:09.51 | hunterkll | w00t! |
| 23:10.04 | dc_ | pb_: now we shall all praise GPE_BUTTON_TYPE_LABEL, ICON and BOTH ! |
| 23:10.08 | PaxAnima | good night, people... |
| 23:10.10 | pb_ | dc_: amen to that. |
| 23:10.13 | dc_ | hunterkll: thanks for the cheering ;/ |
| 23:10.15 | hunterkll | lol |
| 23:10.16 | dc_ | heh |
| 23:10.25 | hunterkll | anyone know where w00t came from? |
| 23:10.27 | dc_ | PaxAnima: night :) |
| 23:10.35 | hunterkll | huh? |
| 23:10.44 | hunterkll | or am i the only studier of geek lore? |
| 23:11.12 | hunterkll | ~lart dc_ |
| 23:11.24 | dc_ | ~lart hunterkll |
| 23:11.29 | hunterkll | ~insult pb_ |
| 23:11.32 | dc_ | hunterkll: fear |
| 23:11.35 | hunterkll | ~insult dc_ |
| 23:11.45 | hunterkll | lol |
| 23:11.50 | dc_ | ~kill hunterkll |
| 23:12.00 | hunterkll | ibot, brick dc_ |
| 23:12.04 | | ACTION installs a bad bootloader on dc_ and turns dc_ into a brick |
| 23:13.24 | dc_ | pb_: now we have to make all gpe apps use stock icons!! |
| 23:13.29 | pb_ | dc_: right. |
| 23:14.38 | hunterkll | ~weee |
| 23:14.44 | hunterkll | ~whee |
| 23:14.46 | | ACTION sticks its fingers up its nose and goes "Wheeeeee!" |
| 23:14.49 | spung | pb_: DST :( |
| 23:15.46 | pb_ | spung: yes. |
| 23:16.04 | spung | pb_: anyone figured that out? :\ |
| 23:16.05 | dc_ | go ibot |
| 23:16.13 | pb_ | spung: not yet. |
| 23:16.22 | spung | any clues? |
| 23:16.22 | pb_ | spung: I haven't looked at it to be honest. You could ask mccarthy if he has any ideas. |
| 23:16.34 | spung | right |
| 23:18.39 | spung | well, just did a pseudo-widget that allows for transparency and scrolling which is cool :D so now, libgpeeventdb .. pb_: should we create a libgpeeventdb module or tweak gpe-calendar's makefile? |
| 23:19.34 | pb_ | spung: may as well just tweak the makefile I guess. |
| 23:19.38 | hunterkll | ~whee |
| 23:19.44 | | ACTION sticks its fingers up its nose and goes "Wheeeeee!" |
| 23:19.45 | pb_ | hunterkll: enough already. |
| 23:19.49 | hunterkll | darn |
| 23:19.57 | hunterkll | i wanted it to do the other ~whee thing |
| 23:20.42 | pb_ | yeah, life sucks sometimes. |
| 23:20.56 | spung | pb_: well, there are some #define's in globals.h can we move them to event-db.h ? |
| 23:21.04 | pb_ | spung: sure. |
| 23:22.27 | __moray | btw, the latest gdk-pixbuf allegedly offers 'A new interface for |
| 23:22.29 | __moray | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:22.45 | pb_ | __moray: oh, sounds like just the thing. |
| 23:22.47 | __moray | though I couldn't find it on a quick scan of the docs :/ |
| 23:23.06 | pb_ | ah. |
| 23:23.09 | dc_ | ah |
| 23:23.12 | dc_ | heh |
| 23:23.23 | dc_ | pb_: just beat me on the 'ah' |
| 23:24.23 | pb_ | dc_: btw, are the pango problems resolved now, or do you think there are still issues there? |
| 23:24.54 | __moray | (though my missing it would have occured simply if there's no reference to thumbnails there; perhaps a variation on the standard loaders simply has had size parameters added) |
| 23:24.55 | dc_ | pb_: I can't say, I guess I could reinstall again though |
| 23:25.17 | pb_ | dc_: ah okay, fair enough. |
| 23:26.48 | pb_ | dc_: so, what's involved in using stock buttons for gpe apps? |
| 23:27.17 | dc_ | well |
| 23:27.26 | dc_ | the code in in picturebutton.c now |
| 23:27.36 | dc_ | so just include picturebutton.h like normal |
| 23:27.55 | pb_ | ah, ok, cool. |
| 23:27.57 | dc_ | then |
| 23:28.00 | pb_ | you wanna check that in? |
| 23:28.03 | dc_ | close_button = gpe_button_new_from_stock (GTK_STOCK_CLOSE, GPE_BUTTON_TYPE_BOTH); |
| 23:28.10 | dc_ | right |
| 23:28.25 | dc_ | then just use that function, where close_button is just a GtkWidget. |
| 23:28.34 | pb_ | ok, sounds good |
| 23:28.45 | dc_ | and you can either have it display both icon and label, or either. |
| 23:28.56 | pb_ | excellent. what more could we want? |
| 23:28.58 | dc_ | and I guess we _could_ add a size option. |
| 23:29.06 | dc_ | hehe |
| 23:29.20 | pb_ | does it look ok with the default size? |
| 23:29.32 | dc_ | yeah, fine. |
| 23:29.39 | dc_ | it uses the menu sizes/ |
| 23:29.42 | dc_ | so... |
| 23:29.46 | pb_ | right. |
| 23:30.00 | dc_ | if by chance the size for menu icons is set to 24 or whatever. |
| 23:30.02 | dc_ | it will change to :/ |
| 23:30.23 | pb_ | I see. Well, I guess we can live with that risk. |
| 23:31.22 | dc_ | :] |
| 23:32.14 | hunterkll | lol |
| 23:33.17 | __moray | pb_: do you think you can get insurance against accidental icon resizing? |
| 23:33.34 | pb_ | __moray: so long as it's not caused by any terrorist act, I should think so. |
| 23:35.03 | dc_ | pb_: right, commited! |
| 23:35.07 | pb_ | dc_: top. |
| 23:35.13 | spung | pb_: could you have a look at the patch i sent you |
| 23:35.29 | pb_ | spung: looking now |
| 23:36.03 | pb_ | spung: looks ok. are TIMEFMT and MONTHTIMEFMT actually used for anything? |
| 23:36.30 | pb_ | dc_: can you add an entry in changelog for the stuff you checked in? |
| 23:36.32 | spung | not really |
| 23:36.41 | pb_ | spung: ok, wanna remove them in that case? |
| 23:36.48 | dc_ | pb_: sure. |
| 23:36.49 | spung | pb_: i guess you can keep those in globals.h |
| 23:36.59 | pb_ | spung: but the patch is OK to check in. |
| 23:37.05 | pb_ | dc_: thanks |
| 23:37.10 | spung | pb_: i can update the patch if you want, and add a ChangeLog entry |
| 23:37.17 | pb_ | spung: please do |
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| 23:44.57 | dc__ | pb_: done |
| 23:45.03 | pb_ | dc__: great |
| 23:45.28 | spung | pb_: done :D |
| 23:45.33 | pb_ | spung: great |
| 23:45.47 | spung | eheh, GPE Developer Team at its best |
| 23:45.54 | pb_ | :-) |
| 23:46.12 | dc__ | quite right spung! |
| 23:46.23 | __moray | incidentally: |
| 23:46.24 | __moray | The sizes of the GTK+ stock icons can now be changed |
| 23:46.24 | __moray | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:46.25 | __moray | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:46.39 | __moray | suggests we could hijack that mechanism to force stock icons small |
| 23:46.47 | dc__ | oh dear.. |
| 23:46.47 | dc__ | __moray: go away |
| 23:46.53 | dc__ | :{{ |
| 23:47.03 | dc__ | __moray: hehe |
| 23:47.21 | dc__ | __moray: okay, where did you find that? |
| 23:47.42 | __moray | http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2002-December/msg00128.html |
| 23:47.52 | __moray | dc__: where our very own pb_ is mentioned, in fact |
| 23:48.07 | dc__ | oooh :] |
| 23:48.21 | __moray | though, pb_, how come you don't get your name in capitals like Norihiro UMEDA ? |
| 23:48.32 | pb_ | __moray: wrong nationality I suppose. |
| 23:49.07 | dc__ | hrm |
| 23:53.49 | mallum | __moray: I though you could do that before but it was wierdly undocumented |
| 23:55.00 | spung | pb_: do we have to move event-db.h to a gpe/ dir or something ? |
| 23:55.19 | pb_ | spung: probably not. |
| 23:55.30 | __moray | mallum: maybe it's just become an official Feature when they fixed a bug or something? don't know |
| 23:55.50 | spung | pb_: it'd look cooler to include <gpe/event-db.h> :D |
| 23:56.10 | pb_ | dc_: whoa, what have you done to the ChangeLog? |
| 23:56.22 | __moray | mallum: but does this mean you know what the mechanism is? |
| 23:56.32 | __moray | mallum: (I couldn't spot it in the docs either) |
| 23:56.36 | pb_ | spung: heh. well, by all means move it into a directory if you like. |
| 23:57.05 | __moray | pb_/spung: or you could just symlink gpe/l33t/ to . |
| 23:57.17 | pb_ | __moray: genius! |
| 23:58.04 | dc__ | pb_: wha, where? |
| 23:58.10 | pb_ | dc__: it appears to be destroyed. |
| 23:58.47 | pb_ | dc__: cvs diff -r 1.143 -r1.144 ChangeLog |
| 23:59.08 | dc__ | oh dear... |
| 23:59.09 | __moray | aha: http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/2.0/gdk-pixbuf/GdkPixbufLoader.html#gdk-pixbuf-loader-set-size |
| 23:59.15 | dc__ | :{{ |
| 23:59.19 | __moray | mallum: (found it) |
| 23:59.37 | dc__ | pb_: I must admit I did use cvs2cl.pl |
| 23:59.47 | pb_ | dc__: ah, I suspected as much. |
