| 00:01.09 | PaxAnima | yay! compression seems to work ;) |
| 00:01.18 | pb_ | dc_: evening |
| 00:04.02 | PaxAnima | ... and I managed to save 28_bytes_... not good |
| 00:08.40 | dc_ | pb_: hey :) |
| 00:08.43 | dc_ | PaxAnima: :) |
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| 00:20.44 | hunterdie | lol |
| 00:21.13 | hunterdie | PaxAnima: ever used the win2k script pack for opie? |
| 00:21.35 | PaxAnima | hunterdie: don't use win2k nor opie, so: o |
| 00:21.36 | PaxAnima | no |
| 00:21.51 | hunterdie | kk |
| 00:34.57 | PaxAnima | good night... try to finish the statistical dictionary tomorrow |
| 00:35.16 | dc_ | :D |
| 00:35.18 | dc_ | PaxAnima: night |
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| 02:00.15 | spung | PaxAnima: are you familiar with pango? |
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| 05:47.09 | mibus | hallo |
| 05:47.23 | mibus | happy **2004** now???? |
| 05:47.37 | mibus | someone should really change the channel topic |
| 05:47.39 | mibus | :) |
| 05:47.44 | ade|out | indeed |
| 05:48.04 | ade|out | happy 2003 and 2004 to boot :) |
| 05:48.17 | mibus | either that or i slept alot longer than ten hours :-D |
| 05:48.49 | ade|out | maybe we both did |
| 05:48.54 | mibus | wow wine is very cool these days |
| 05:49.05 | mibus | im running mIRC under wine, full antialiasing and everything :D |
| 05:49.40 | mibus | ade|out: lol, don't you believe me?? :P |
| 05:49.59 | ade|out | just wondered what version mirc is nowadays |
| 05:50.29 | mibus | well this is 6.0 or so |
| 05:50.32 | pigeon | I got ie6 running under wine too :) |
| 05:50.39 | ade|out | really |
| 05:50.47 | mibus | pigeon: !! HOW?? |
| 05:50.58 | mibus | pigeon: or did you cheat and use win32 DLLs |
| 05:51.13 | ade|out | i'd like qtracker to work under wine |
| 05:51.15 | pigeon | Well yes, need to tweak with those native dlls. |
| 05:51.22 | mibus | awww |
| 05:51.32 | mibus | i have 98 and XP installed, but prefer to run a 'clean' wine :-) |
| 05:51.51 | pigeon | Yeah sadly, I couldn't get it to run with a clean wine yet. |
| 05:51.55 | mibus | stuff often works _better_... probably 'cos there isn't so much of a mess in the registry :) |
| 05:51.58 | pigeon | Someone reckon it can be done. |
| 05:52.08 | ade|out | does office97 work under wine yet |
| 05:52.09 | mibus | i've tried a few times 'cos i want to run msn messenger under wine :) |
| 05:52.14 | mibus | ade|out: oh wow yes |
| 05:52.16 | mibus | long time ago |
| 05:52.22 | mibus | (i think ;) |
| 05:52.30 | pigeon | With a clean wine, the futherest I've gone is having ie6 running, but it doesn't know how to connect to the web at all. :( |
| 05:52.31 | mibus | i *know* it works with win32 dlls |
| 05:52.39 | ade|out | great .. right thats win98 gone from my laptop then :) |
| 05:52.41 | mibus | pigeon: wow, i couldnt make it install! |
| 05:52.52 | mibus | ade|out: or just use openoffice :D |
| 05:52.56 | mibus | (or gpe-edit :P) |
| 05:53.05 | pigeon | It installed apparently. |
| 05:53.07 | ade|out | na, need o97 |
| 05:53.12 | mibus | aw :( |
| 05:53.15 | mibus | lemme find my CDs... |
| 05:53.32 | mibus | found |
| 05:54.09 | mibus | installing... |
| 05:54.10 | mibus | :) |
| 05:55.07 | ade|out | i've lost the plot .. what are you installing ? |
| 05:55.18 | mibus | * takes two minutes figuring out a valid key |
| 05:55.20 | mibus | office 97 |
| 05:55.23 | mibus | duh :-P |
| 05:55.54 | mibus | any options you need installed in particular? |
| 05:56.06 | ade|desk | word97 files are xml based like word2k yes ? |
| 05:56.12 | mibus | lol no |
| 05:56.16 | mibus | neither are xml based |
| 05:56.29 | mibus | office 11 files will be, *supposedly* |
| 05:56.31 | ade|desk | i thought they were |
| 05:56.35 | mibus | far from it |
| 05:56.43 | mibus | theyre horrid and binary and messy |
| 05:57.08 | mibus | and lots of people whinge about them all the time :-) |
| 05:57.17 | pigeon | In fact they're some kind of structural format like xml, but just not in plain text. |
| 05:57.22 | mibus | ok well its installing nicely |
| 05:57.32 | mibus | yah it's an "OLE Container" format or something |
| 05:58.01 | ade|desk | ok sod office97 then |
| 05:58.11 | pigeon | To a lot of people, word doc is _THE_ format. There's no such thing as plain text. ;) |
| 05:58.42 | mibus | tell me about it |
| 05:58.54 | mibus | i have people emailing me conversation logs (from msn messenger) as WORD FILES |
| 05:58.55 | pigeon | lol |
| 05:59.08 | mibus | 150kb for a few hundred lines |
| 05:59.13 | ade|desk | ok time to find a document maker that is better then abiword (grrr fonts etc) and easier than tex. |
| 05:59.18 | mibus | install is over, odbc whinged |
| 05:59.23 | mibus | lyx? |
| 05:59.26 | mibus | lyx is very cool |
| 05:59.58 | mibus | hrm |
| 05:59.59 | ade|desk | never heard of it .. googling now :) |
| 06:00.13 | mibus | word complains that the registry is 'corrupt' and some files are 'missing' but seems OK... |
| 06:01.31 | mibus | bitches about not being able to save normal.dot too |
| 06:01.34 | mibus | but it _works_ |
| 06:01.40 | mibus | and with massaging would probably be perfect |
| 06:02.25 | mibus | lyx is a 'document processor' as opposed to a 'word processor' |
| 06:02.44 | mibus | its insanely cool for reports and stuff (i used it for psyc at uni last year and the year before) |
| 06:02.48 | mibus | and looks very professional |
| 06:03.50 | ade|desk | looks like what i'm looking for :) |
| 06:03.58 | mibus | i love it |
| 06:04.02 | mibus | shame it uses XForms |
| 06:04.06 | mibus | makes it look uuuuugly |
| 06:06.36 | ade|desk | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 06:06.36 | ade|desk | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:06.36 | ade|desk | 0 packages upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 06:06.36 | ade|desk | Need to get 4579kB of archives. After unpacking 18.0MB will be used. |
| 06:06.39 | ade|desk | ouch |
| 06:07.43 | mibus | as opposed to the 100MB+ off97 takes up?? |
| 06:08.52 | ade|desk | atm i still have win98 in hda1 but my /usr as only 60mb left :( ... need to repart the disk me thinks |
| 06:09.44 | mibus | yes.... |
| 06:11.00 | ade|desk | thats the problem of only having 2gb for both win98 and debian |
| 06:11.09 | mibus | yes... |
| 06:11.19 | mibus | and i think my 10+gb debian install is getting cramped :) |
| 06:11.36 | mibus | (then again, i am building all of gnome2 and wine and a few other things from CVS...) |
| 06:13.43 | ade|desk | i've got stock kernel plus linux-mips.org's cvs feed for both 2.4 and 2.5 .. thats cramped |
| 06:15.44 | mibus | yow |
| 06:17.01 | ade|desk | alas it the only device i can easily transport to my gf place to update cvs, fscking uni firewall stops cvs :( |
| 06:17.23 | mibus | cvs over ssh? |
| 06:18.26 | ade|desk | lol ssh ... what is this new concept ? |
| 06:18.59 | mibus | oh? |
| 06:20.25 | ade|desk | oh dear god.... needs tetex-{base,bin} .. adding another 75.2mb .. bugger |
| 06:21.06 | mibus | im starting to wonder if gpe-edit + docbook is a better idea :P |
| 06:21.22 | ade|desk | me 2 |
| 06:22.19 | ade|desk | familiar for x86 would be good |
| 06:22.29 | mibus | :-) |
| 06:22.38 | mibus | some stuff is in debian already anyway |
| 06:23.00 | ade|desk | such as? |
| 06:23.21 | mibus | matchbox |
| 06:23.22 | mibus | gpe-icons |
| 06:23.26 | mibus | some other random gpe stuff |
| 06:23.39 | mibus | quite a few packages have 'make dpkg' support |
| 06:23.45 | mibus | i mean, its all GTK... |
| 06:24.08 | ade|desk | indeed. |
| 06:24.28 | ade|desk | ah i see pb_ has put gpe-edit in debian |
| 06:24.48 | ade|desk | doh no gpe gtk2 bits |
| 06:25.16 | mibus | awww :-P |
| 06:25.30 | mibus | i have a working GTK2.0 x86 appmgr, want that? |
| 06:25.31 | mibus | :-P |
| 06:26.24 | ade|desk | will do when i get to redo my laptop install, maybe next week, when i get bored of project write uop |
| 06:26.27 | ade|desk | -o |
| 06:27.43 | ade|desk | does appmgr (on ipaq) still barf when you tap the screen anywhere that there is no icon ? |
| 06:27.50 | mibus | nope |
| 06:27.52 | mibus | well |
| 06:27.53 | mibus | not in CVS |
| 06:28.05 | mibus | the latest released one does tho |
| 06:28.13 | mibus | im hoping to release a new one soon |
| 06:28.46 | ade|desk | what is still gtk1.2 and not gtk2 in cvs/unstable |
| 06:29.05 | mibus | in HEAD? Not sure |
| 06:29.21 | mibus | there is a page on the wiki somewhere which says what is/isnt gtk2 |
| 06:30.02 | mibus | how ironic - transcode's libdvdcss code won't decrypt "Antitrust" but seems OK with other stuff... |
| 06:30.56 | mibus | mencoder is still OK tho |
| 06:31.34 | ade|desk | lol |
| 06:32.56 | mibus | lol |
| 06:33.37 | ade|desk | you can have the bad ones :) |
| 06:34.17 | ade|desk | by the time they get to .au they may taste better |
| 06:34.21 | mibus | huh. it will rip ok as long as i'm root... |
| 06:34.24 | mibus | LOL |
| 06:34.47 | ade|desk | got ok perms on dvd ? |
| 06:34.51 | ade|desk | /dev/dvd that is |
| 06:35.08 | mibus | yah perms are fine |
| 06:35.09 | mibus | mencoder works |
| 06:35.13 | ade|desk | weird |
| 06:35.15 | mibus | as it happens, it DIDNT work as root |
| 06:35.28 | mibus | it wouldnt load the input plugin and just imported from null |
| 06:35.56 | ade|desk | somet aint right |
| 06:36.06 | mibus | libdvdcss error: ioctl_ReportKeyChallenge failed |
| 06:36.07 | mibus | libdvdcss error: ioctl_SendChallenge failed |
| 06:36.07 | mibus | libdvdcss error: fatal error in vts css key |
| 06:36.07 | mibus | libdvdread: Error cracking CSS key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_06_0.VOB (0x0031d95e) |
| 06:36.07 | mibus | libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 |
| 06:36.07 | mibus | libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_06_1.VOB at 0x0031d9b5 |
| 06:36.08 | mibus | libdvdread: Could not open device with libdvdcss. |
| 06:36.10 | mibus | libdvdread: Can't open /dev/dvd for reading |
| 06:36.12 | mibus | [tccat] (pid=11057) failed to open DVD /dev/dvd |
| 06:36.17 | mibus | *sigh* |
| 06:36.30 | ade|desk | which version ? |
| 06:36.38 | mibus | 1.2.1 |
| 06:36.43 | mibus | of libdvdcss |
| 06:37.05 | mibus | libdvdread is... 0.9.3-2 i _think_ |
| 06:37.13 | mibus | (both latest from debian) |
| 06:37.26 | mibus | oh wait |
| 06:37.35 | mibus | dvdread is bundled with transcode |
| 06:37.36 | ade|desk | doesn't mean much for debian, vlc etc are way behind |
| 06:37.41 | mibus | :-D |
| 06:38.01 | mibus | point taken |
| 06:38.23 | mibus | its transcode's dvdread i think |
| 06:38.23 | ade|desk | libdvdcss is now 1.2.4 |
| 06:38.33 | mibus | 'cos ogle uses the same libdvdcss and its fine |
| 06:39.20 | ade|desk | HEAD |
| 06:39.20 | ade|desk | * ./src/ioctl.[ch]: Implemented ioctl_SendRPC. |
| 06:39.28 | ade|desk | change log for dvdcss |
| 06:39.36 | mibus | ill get a new version and see if it helps |
| 06:39.41 | ade|desk | http://www.videolan.org/libdvdcss/changelog.html |
| 06:41.01 | mibus | oddly enough |
| 06:41.08 | mibus | i was only reading that page -yesterday- |
| 06:41.18 | mibus | to try and find out if vlc cares whether a drive is region-locked |
| 06:41.23 | mibus | (win32 version) |
| 06:41.37 | ade|desk | and the answer is ? |
| 06:41.43 | mibus | i dont know :( |
| 06:41.59 | mibus | after much reading i decided i didnt care enough to -try- it |
| 06:42.08 | mibus | a friend has *1* region-change left |
| 06:42.14 | mibus | on his dvdrom |
| 06:42.23 | mibus | and i wasnt about to go mucking about testing :) |
| 06:42.42 | ade|desk | i would like to play region 1 in my 2 drive, want to get m*a*s*h |
| 06:42.52 | mibus | i have a 4 drive |
| 06:42.57 | mibus | reflashed so it doesnt care |
| 06:43.10 | mibus | and it plays 0,1,2,4 (that i've tested) and in theory everthing else too |
| 06:43.15 | mibus | whats _really_ wierd |
| 06:43.25 | ade|desk | i dont think mine cares, since reflash , never really tried |
| 06:43.44 | mibus | is that it can play Farscape season 1 (R2) without CSS (ie straight mpeg2dec /dvdrom/video_ts/*.vob works) |
| 06:43.53 | mibus | so im thinking "aha its not R2 its R0" |
| 06:44.06 | mibus | but my aforementioned friend had to change regions when he wanted to copy it (!!) |
| 06:44.15 | ade|desk | oh dear |
| 06:44.40 | mibus | very funky |
| 06:45.43 | ade|desk | i'll be happier when i upgrade my main machine to something that can cope with games under linux, then windows can go and i'll be 100% linux-ified |
| 06:46.11 | mibus | im just glad i can watch DVDs without having paid for PowerDVD or anything, yay open-source! ;) |
| 06:46.16 | ade|desk | quake 3 works (slowly) but cs is just silly under wine on this cpu |
| 06:46.18 | mibus | whats not-so-good about it now? |
| 06:46.51 | mibus | ahhh |
| 06:46.55 | ade|desk | my 500MHz celery just don't get the cycles it needs |
| 06:46.58 | mibus | oh |
| 06:47.00 | mibus | heh |
| 06:47.02 | mibus | no i guess not :P |
| 06:47.37 | ade|desk | so i'm looking at smp athlon 2100MP( ahem XP) |
| 06:48.04 | mibus | yowsers |
| 06:49.19 | ade|desk | then i can compile on one cpu while the other is playing dvds or games. then i can't complain that i'm not doing work while playing :) |
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| 11:41.45 | dc_ | omg, it's early :] |
| 11:42.11 | mallum | hey dc_ |
| 11:42.14 | dc_ | snow :D |
| 11:42.17 | mallum | I've been up since 8 ;-) |
| 11:42.25 | dc_ | mallum: =) |
| 11:42.32 | dc_ | mallum: we have snow today :)) |
| 11:42.39 | dc_ | *had |
| 11:47.27 | dc_ | mallum: ahh, it would seem mibus sent me an email suggesting mb used the desktop code in the form of libdotdesktop. |
| 11:48.55 | mallum | dc_: yeah but it links to glib dont it ? |
| 11:49.04 | dc_ | oh yah |
| 11:49.06 | dc_ | that was me. |
| 11:49.10 | dc_ | it can be fixed. |
| 11:49.22 | dc_ | by using your hash table code. |
| 11:50.27 | mallum | dc_: the dotdesktop code mb uses is in libmbdock ( soon to be just libmb ) its pretty tiny |
| 11:51.22 | PaxAnima | morning |
| 11:51.27 | mallum | hey PaxAnima |
| 11:52.04 | PaxAnima | hey, mallum |
| 11:53.57 | PaxAnima | mallum: using compression at runtime didn't give any gain for the dictionary system, strangely enough |
| 11:55.08 | PaxAnima | but I didn't check the mem usage properly... just looked at output from ps |
| 11:55.13 | mallum | I wonder if it'd be possible to use iptables to proxy the listening X socket, on a connection the proxy would fire off a callback that would present an 'allow XXXX to connect to your display' dialog to the display |
| 11:57.09 | mallum | on ok'ing the dialog, the script would masqurade the incoming connection to be comming from localhost |
| 11:57.30 | PaxAnima | hmm |
| 11:57.50 | mallum | Im not sure how that fits in with all the magic cookie gubbins though |
| 12:19.47 | dc_ | mallum: ah, well we'll tell mibus that |
| 12:22.34 | mallum | dc_: do you know if mibus has seen mbdesktop yet ? |
| 12:23.15 | dc_ | mallum: well, he did email me about a screenshot and I had to let him know it was called mbdesktop ;] |
| 12:23.47 | mallum | dc_: hmmm, did he say much ? |
| 12:23.56 | dc_ | mallum: he hasn't replied. |
| 12:23.59 | mallum | PaxAnima: not sure if this -> http://www.scaramanga.co.uk/skunk/ is any use to you |
| 12:24.00 | dc_ | mallum: so yeah... |
| 12:24.27 | mallum | PaxAnima: re looking up the dict quickly |
| 12:24.41 | mallum | dc_: cool |
| 12:24.58 | dc_ | mallum: so, I think he's seen the good side of it all, hehe. |
| 12:26.28 | mallum | http://www.visi.com/~pmk/msbtkb-linux.html |
| 12:28.22 | PaxAnima | mallum: hmm... it uses 20bytes/record, so it's wasting space... and the speed is good enough, it seems |
| 12:29.16 | PaxAnima | good enough as it is |
| 12:30.42 | mallum | PaxAnima: cool, I didn't read much about it |
| 12:31.10 | mallum | PaxAnima: do you still plan on dropping the glib deps ? |
| 12:31.34 | PaxAnima | mallum: well, I only use GList and GHashTable |
| 12:32.16 | PaxAnima | I could make it loose the glib deps, if I do the list and hash table handling myself |
| 12:33.12 | PaxAnima | but I don't plan to do it until it works with glib... which shouldn't be too far away... only need to add the statistical dictionary stuff |
| 12:33.25 | mallum | PaxAnima: cool, there is some simple hash code in mb CVS, see libmbdock.hash.c |
| 12:34.17 | mallum | PaxAnima: okey when it working for you I'll grab it and see if I can make some stand alone window completion toolbar or summin |
| 12:34.29 | PaxAnima | mallum: yeah, that would be cool |
| 12:35.44 | PaxAnima | mallum: I plan create a higher level dictionary system once its done, with "true" predictive text, ie. use a statistical dictionary for common word and a standard dictionary for the rest of the words, like it will be done with the irc input |
| 12:36.51 | mallum | excellent |
| 12:37.30 | mallum | biab - shopping time |
| 12:38.23 | dc_ | PaxAnima: so, this is really turning into something isn't it :) |
| 12:38.57 | PaxAnima | dc_: hopefully, yes ;) |
| 12:39.16 | dc_ | PaxAnima: good on ya. |
| 12:40.10 | PaxAnima | only need to find a good way of cycling the words with the statistical dictionary.. |
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| 12:41.48 | dc_ | morning pb_ :) |
| 12:42.16 | pb_ | dc_: morning |
| 12:42.34 | PaxAnima | hi, pb_ |
| 12:42.42 | pb_ | hi |
| 12:47.39 | dc_ | wow. |
| 12:47.51 | dc_ | jimmac will be at fosdem :D |
| 12:47.58 | pb_ | heh, cool |
| 12:48.10 | dc_ | hehe. |
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| 12:54.23 | pb_ | oops |
| 12:54.31 | dc__ | hehe, yep. |
| 12:55.51 | dc__ | hll |
| 12:55.55 | dc__ | :/ |
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| 14:10.47 | pigeon | make: *** No rule to make target `tap.c', needed by `tap.o'. Stop. |
| 14:11.01 | pb_ | doh |
| 14:11.07 | pigeon | :P |
| 14:11.13 | pigeon | Nite pb_ :) |
| 14:11.25 | pb_ | pigeon: fixed now |
| 14:11.57 | pigeon | pb_: Cool... |
| 14:12.12 | pb_ | the age-old "forgot cvs add" problem. |
| 14:12.26 | pigeon | pb_: Yes... that one... |
| 14:12.51 | pb_ | I guess that problem has existed as long as mankind has used source control systems. |
| 14:13.01 | pigeon | Heh |
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| 14:38.47 | jsmanrique | hi |
| 14:38.51 | jsmanrique | good afternoon |
| 14:39.34 | PaxAnima | afternoon, jsmanrique |
| 14:56.08 | jsmanrique | ? |
| 14:57.25 | PaxAnima | was sorting a list the wrong way.. |
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| 14:58.27 | dc_ | :) |
| 15:08.54 | pb_ | btw, new version of battery monitor: handhelds.org/~pb/minibat_0.11_arm.ipk |
| 15:09.02 | dc_ | :D |
| 15:09.08 | jsmanrique | pb_: nice |
| 15:09.37 | pb_ | dc_: oh, and check out latest libgpewidget in unstable. you can do cut and paste in gpe-edit using the tap-and-hold menu now, which is kind of cool. |
| 15:10.23 | dc_ | pb_: oh wow, let me see :D |
| 15:10.26 | pb_ | should work in any gtktextview, though for some reason not gtkentry at the moment. |
| 15:11.27 | pb_ | heh. |
| 15:14.36 | dc_ | omfg |
| 15:14.47 | dc_ | who uploaded mozilla-browser into unstable |
| 15:14.55 | pb_ | ! |
| 15:14.58 | pb_ | really? |
| 15:15.01 | dc_ | yeah! |
| 15:15.06 | dc_ | 9.7Mb |
| 15:15.07 | dc_ | heh |
| 15:15.15 | pb_ | wow, you're right. |
| 15:15.16 | dc_ | do ipkg install mozilla-browser ;p |
| 15:15.21 | pb_ | fear |
| 15:15.26 | dc_ | man, I do. |
| 15:15.36 | dc_ | can't see how it's usefull though |
| 15:15.40 | pb_ | mind you, gnumeric is there too, so I guess it was only a matter of time. |
| 15:15.47 | dc_ | true. |
| 15:15.56 | pb_ | there's that one dude who seems to have made it his mission to put the whole of GNOME into familiar. |
| 15:16.00 | dc_ | do we know is gnumeric runs at an alright speed? |
| 15:16.17 | pb_ | I've never actually tried it on the ipaq. |
| 15:16.17 | dc_ | I though I had heard about him. |
| 15:16.37 | dc_ | maybe I should try it on my cf sometime. |
| 15:16.42 | pb_ | I suspect gnumeric won't fit in my internal flash, I'll have to search the house for a compact flash card. |
| 15:16.52 | dc_ | on the other hand, the gtk only version of abiword wouldn't be to bad. |
| 15:16.57 | dc_ | pb_: :) |
| 15:17.10 | pb_ | no, indeed. |
| 15:17.34 | pb_ | I'd been thinking for a while about trying to make cut-down spreadsheet and word-processor apps based on the core of gnumeric and abiword. |
| 15:17.42 | pb_ | never had time to do anything about it though. |
| 15:17.47 | dc_ | same. |
| 15:18.00 | pb_ | guess we need some more GPE developers. |
| 15:18.17 | dc_ | well, since I need a short break from gpe-irc, I'll have a breif look at abriword now. |
| 15:18.23 | pb_ | ah cool |
| 15:19.44 | dc_ | pb_: maybe you should pop down to the store an pick up some more developers on your way home today, you know, maybe 2 or so ;D |
| 15:19.52 | dc_ | wouldn't that be great! |
| 15:20.30 | pb_ | dc_: ah good plan |
| 15:20.34 | pb_ | dc_: I'll try that. |
| 15:20.40 | dc_ | ; |
| 15:20.44 | dc_ | *) |
| 15:24.13 | dc_ | pb_: it would seem abiword isn't gtk2 in any way. |
| 15:24.26 | dc_ | pb_: mind, I'm yet to look at cvs. |
| 15:24.33 | pb_ | ah, that's a shame. |
| 15:34.40 | dc_ | pb_: I see the X server in unstable depends on some gpe packages ;] |
| 15:34.58 | dc_ | oh, and mb...goood. |
| 15:35.08 | dc_ | that makes life easier. |
| 15:35.40 | pb_ | yeah, the xserver depends on x-display-manager, which is provided by gpe-dm. |
| 15:35.53 | dc_ | ahh good. |
| 15:36.14 | pb_ | I'm not sure that's actually desirable: one might conceivably want the xserver with no manager. But it doesn't seem to hurt. |
| 15:36.39 | dc_ | nah. better the way it is now. |
| 15:37.03 | pb_ | maybe, yeah |
| 15:42.02 | dc_ | so they have abiword for os X, but not for gnome 2 ;] |
| 15:42.15 | pb_ | ha! |
| 15:42.40 | pb_ | does gnome 2 ship any word processor at all? |
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| 15:43.42 | dc_ | pb_: well I don't think so, most dists supply OO.o nowdays. |
| 15:44.01 | pb_ | dc_: ah true. |
| 15:46.33 | PaxAnima | dc_: statistical dictionary coming along... now I can load a file with word frequencies for a dictionary, so the predicted word is based on the word frequency instead of beeing alphabetically |
| 15:46.53 | dc_ | PaxAnima: oh wow. |
| 15:46.53 | jsmanrique | PaxAnima: what are you working on? |
| 15:47.34 | PaxAnima | jsmanrique: input system for gpe-irc, but it's getting very general... |
| 15:48.16 | jsmanrique | PaxAnima: some kind of predictive system? |
| 15:48.19 | PaxAnima | yes |
| 15:48.25 | jsmanrique | wow! |
| 15:48.30 | jsmanrique | that sounds great |
| 15:51.25 | jsmanrique | I am thinking about something similar for comands input for a 'project' |
| 15:52.03 | PaxAnima | ok |
| 15:53.22 | PaxAnima | jsmanrique: once things works well, i'll document it and release it.... very simple interface to the dictionary system |
| 15:53.59 | jsmanrique | PaxAnima: thank you very much, this would be great |
| 15:54.11 | jsmanrique | PaxAnima: how have you introduced the dictionary |
| 15:54.20 | PaxAnima | what do you mean? |
| 15:54.37 | jsmanrique | PaxAnima: what kind of keyboard are you using to input words? xkbd? |
| 15:55.01 | PaxAnima | well, for the irc input it's just a normal entry |
| 15:55.24 | jsmanrique | PaxAnima: the dictionary, what is it? How did you do it? (xml?) |
| 15:55.44 | PaxAnima | jsmanrique: plain text fil, sortet alphabetically |
| 15:55.54 | jsmanrique | PaxAnima: nice |
| 15:56.18 | PaxAnima | or compressed using a tool called dict_comp, which can reduse the file size by 80% ;) |
| 15:57.03 | jsmanrique | PaxAnima: I was thinking about input system similar to phones, where abc.. are in the number keys |
| 15:57.42 | PaxAnima | hmm... it doesn't work that way |
| 15:58.43 | jsmanrique | I see |
| 15:59.56 | PaxAnima | could be interesting to try it, though |
| 16:34.57 | dc_ | pb_: abiword seems to have a hige amount of evil libs with it/ |
| 16:35.12 | pb_ | dc_: :-( |
| 16:37.35 | jsmanrique | dc_: trying abiword for gpe? |
| 16:37.57 | dc_ | jsmanrique: more _looking_ I'd say |
| 16:41.29 | dc_ | pb_: I guess adding some functions for GtkTextView formatting wouldn't be too hard. |
| 16:41.41 | dc_ | pb_: but file formats are beyond me. |
| 16:41.47 | pb_ | dc_: true enough |
| 16:41.58 | pb_ | dc_: yeah, loading and saving .doc would be a nightmare I expect |
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| 17:11.20 | jsmanrique | dc__: some kind of gpe-word or gpe-numeric would be nice :-) |
| 17:12.21 | jsmanrique | dc__: as far as I know, i.e., OpenOffice uses xml for its documents, and the doc you create is a .gz file with its own stylesheet .dtd and .xml inside |
| 17:12.48 | jsmanrique | dc_: you can ungzip any OpenOffice doc and see them |
| 17:14.11 | jsmanrique | dc_: maybe docbook.org has some info about xml/docbook formats |
| 17:19.42 | dc__ | ah yes |
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| 17:34.18 | dc__ | pb_: so back on the subject of deps. Something in unstable needs to be depending on pango-querymodules. |
| 17:34.39 | dc__ | pb_: and if it is, and it's infact ipkgs fault, we need to find out how to work around it. |
| 17:35.26 | pb_ | dc__: I think that particular thing is actually the fault of the pango packages. |
| 17:35.33 | pb_ | dc__: I will make some pango 1.2 packages later today and try to fix it then. |
| 17:35.43 | pb_ | dc__: the gdk-pixbuf.loaders one is ipkg's fault though. |
| 17:36.36 | dc__ | pb_: sure thing. |
| 17:43.53 | dc__ | pb_: heh, what's to file to output gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders to? |
| 17:44.19 | pb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.33 | pb_ | see the libgtk2.0-0 postinst |
| 17:44.40 | dc__ | ah okay. |
| 17:46.51 | dc__ | pb_: we're you also going to make gtk2 depend on gtk2-theme-angelistic? |
| 17:47.37 | pb_ | dc__: no |
| 17:47.44 | dc__ | oh okay. |
| 17:47.49 | pb_ | dc__: but gpe2 depends on gtk2-theme-angelistic |
| 17:47.55 | dc__ | :] |
| 17:48.55 | pb_ | at least, I thought it did. |
| 17:48.58 | pb_ | maybe I screwed that up. |
| 17:49.24 | dc__ | it may be |
| 17:49.45 | pb_ | hrm, it seems that gpe-collateral-gtk2 has an empty depends in the archive for some reason. |
| 17:49.53 | pb_ | let me try building that again. |
| 17:49.59 | dc__ | right |
| 17:50.35 | pb_ | ok, it's uploaded |
| 17:50.42 | dc__ | great |
| 17:50.45 | pb_ | gpe-collateral-gtk2_0.02_all.ipk if you want to try installing it |
| 17:51.38 | pb_ | the only thing we still need to work out is how to set that as the default theme for new users. |
| 17:51.53 | dc__ | yes |
| 17:52.01 | dc__ | I guess we have to do it in gpe-login> |
| 17:52.12 | pb_ | well, somewhere in gpe-session-scripts probably. |
| 17:52.12 | dc__ | or is there a system wide config we can use. |
| 17:52.20 | dc__ | ah okay. |
| 17:52.24 | pb_ | 25dotfiles is the obvious place. if we made that run later, we could put some xst commands in it. |
| 17:52.52 | pb_ | or, alternatively, leave it where it is and invent some mechanism to preload gpe-confd with some sensible defaults. |
| 17:53.21 | pb_ | maybe have it read from /etc/gpe/defaults if you don't have a configuration database at all, for example |
| 17:53.22 | dc__ | ah yes |
| 17:53.42 | pb_ | that seems like the best plan. |
| 17:54.08 | dc__ | well yes, gpe-confd is what should be handling these things. |
| 17:54.36 | pb_ | ok. well, I need to go to Tesco right now, but I will have a go at adding defaults to gpe-confd a bit later this evening. Or if you want to have a crack at it, be my guest. |
| 17:55.16 | dc__ | right... |
| 17:55.19 | dc__ | well, gpe-confd is beyond me right now :/ |
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| 17:56.51 | dc_gpe | :] |
| 17:57.23 | dc_gpe | time to add some colour to gpe-orchard |
| 17:57.25 | dc_gpe | heh |
| 17:57.32 | dc_gpe | gpe-irc :) |
| 17:58.20 | pb_ | heh |
| 18:12.42 | jsmanrique | must go |
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| 19:20.58 | pb_ | ok, I think gpe-confd should support defaults now. |
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| 19:56.56 | dc___ | hi jg |
| 19:57.02 | dc___ | pb_: oh goody. |
| 19:57.36 | pb_ | dc___: just updating the session scripts to add a defaults file now |
| 19:57.45 | jg | dc___: hi |
| 19:57.54 | pb_ | dc___: anything it ought to set other than theme and font? |
| 19:58.08 | dc___ | pb_: nope, except background... |
| 19:58.19 | pb_ | background isn't under xsettings control as far as I know. |
| 19:58.25 | dc___ | pb_: yes. |
| 19:58.30 | pb_ | I'm not sure exactly what the mechanism is for dealing with that at the moment. |
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| 19:58.42 | dc___ | pb_: true, but I think this should also be changed sometime in the future. |
| 19:58.48 | pb_ | dc___: ok |
| 19:59.00 | dc___ | pb_: as the other day I killed my iPAq by trying to install qiv. |
| 19:59.03 | dc___ | mallum: evening :) |
| 19:59.07 | pb_ | dc___: heh. |
| 19:59.13 | dc___ | mallum: played some halo today? |
| 19:59.17 | pb_ | dc___: you should be able to use gpe-setbg to change it easily enough. |
| 19:59.20 | pb_ | hi mallum |
| 19:59.25 | dc___ | right |
| 19:59.27 | dc___ | hmmm |
| 19:59.32 | hunterkll | pb |
| 19:59.37 | hunterkll | i have biggy problem |
| 19:59.42 | hunterkll | lol |
| 19:59.49 | hunterkll | bahia? |
| 19:59.55 | hunterkll | linux? |
| 20:00.01 | hunterkll | hotplug? |
| 20:00.21 | pb_ | hunterkll: are those words related to your problem? |
| 20:00.25 | hunterkll | um no |
| 20:00.28 | pb_ | ah |
| 20:00.31 | dc___ | heh |
| 20:00.47 | mallum | hey everyblobby |
| 20:00.53 | mallum | dc___: yeah some more halo |
| 20:01.01 | mallum | dc___: went shopping, got a new coffee table |
| 20:01.03 | dc___ | mallum: you meet the flood yet? |
| 20:01.07 | hunterkll | my words are PPP, Proxy, Dropped Internet Connection, and IFIDONTFIGGURETHISOUTIWILLFUBARMYSISTER |
| 20:01.08 | dc___ | mallum: coool :} |
| 20:01.28 | hunterkll | :) |
| 20:01.30 | hunterkll | anyway |
| 20:01.38 | dc___ | hunterkll: what is exactly ment by foobaring someone? |
| 20:01.52 | hunterkll | generaly breaking things on said person |
| 20:01.58 | dc___ | ah. |
| 20:02.05 | dc___ | sounds like fun. |
| 20:02.06 | hunterkll | discoleration of the eyes |
| 20:02.08 | pb_ | well, doesn't sound like good form to do that to your sister. |
| 20:02.15 | hunterkll | hrm |
| 20:02.20 | pb_ | so |
| 20:02.23 | hunterkll | only target i could think of |
| 20:02.25 | dc___ | hunterkll: foobar your iPAQ instead. |
| 20:02.28 | hunterkll | HELL NO |
| 20:02.36 | pb_ | hunterkll: where does the proxy fit into all this? |
| 20:02.36 | hunterkll | i'll foobar her moniter |
| 20:02.40 | hunterkll | ok |
| 20:02.53 | hunterkll | i isntalled opie-win2k-ppp-scripts or sumthin like |
| 20:03.00 | hunterkll | i can make a good ppp conection |
| 20:03.07 | hunterkll | but when i start a proxy |
| 20:03.10 | hunterkll | my ppp breaks |
| 20:03.15 | hunterkll | it says its connected |
| 20:03.19 | hunterkll | but it dosnt work |
| 20:03.20 | pb_ | what d'you mean by "start a proxy"? |
| 20:03.38 | hunterkll | as in turn on the proxy, click the lil button on winroute taht says start engien |
| 20:03.51 | pb_ | dc___: right, gpe-session-scripts 0.32 is uploaded, includes defaults for theme and font. |
| 20:04.21 | dc___ | pb_: great, well no better time but now. I will try it on my fresh install. |
| 20:04.25 | pb_ | hunterkll: ah, and that stops your ppp connection working? |
| 20:04.46 | hunterkll | for some reason yes |
| 20:04.56 | hunterkll | and ppp donst work at all with it turned on in the first place |
| 20:04.57 | pb_ | hunterkll: unfortunately windows isn't really my thing, and nor is opie, so you would be hard pressed to find someone less well qualified than me to help fix it. |
| 20:05.14 | hunterkll | it connects, but dosnt register on my computer |
| 20:05.25 | hunterkll | and my computer dosnt register on the ipaq when the proxy is on |
| 20:05.27 | hunterkll | AND |
| 20:05.28 | pb_ | dc___: ok cool |
| 20:05.54 | hunterkll | after a few seconds i beleive the ppp conection when the proxy is off causes my internet to drop |
| 20:06.09 | hunterkll | i stop the ppp |
| 20:06.12 | hunterkll | my internet comes back |
| 20:06.22 | hunterkll | i unchecked use remote network gateway or wahtever |
| 20:06.27 | hunterkll | gonna see if it works now |
| 20:06.37 | hunterkll | aww |
| 20:06.41 | hunterkll | i foobard fammiliar |
| 20:06.43 | pb_ | mallum: btw, I just noticed that matchbox has a habit of dying when the XSETTINGS manager goes away |
| 20:07.11 | mallum | pb_: okey I'll take a look |
| 20:08.40 | hunterkll | what is "matchbox"? |
| 20:08.58 | mallum | ibot: matchbox |
| 20:08.59 | | matchbox is probably a X11 window manager for handheld devices. Info, screenshots & downloadable at http://handhelds.org/~mallum/matchbox . Ipkg is in the familiar unstable feed. Development versions and other goodies at http://handhelds.org/~mallum/downloadables/ |
| 20:09.08 | hunterkll | ok |
| 20:09.27 | mallum | pb_: hmm, I cant see anything obvious on why it would die |
| 20:09.34 | pb_ | mallum: oh, and the latest mbdesktop seems to get its icons all tangled up when you rotate the screen. can't remember if you knew about that one already or not. |
| 20:10.00 | mallum | pb_: how do you mean 'tangled up' ? |
| 20:10.13 | dc___ | pb_: do you happen to know what vital componant my iPAQ might be missing if it won't suspend. |
| 20:10.21 | mallum | pb_: do other apps survive when xsettings goes away ? |
| 20:10.35 | pb_ | mallum: they appear in the wrong place. most notably, the "Up" icon in subfolders is obscured by one of the applications. |
| 20:10.41 | pb_ | dc___: I think this is a kernel bug. |
| 20:10.50 | dc___ | pb_: majoir suck. |
| 20:11.00 | hunterkll | lol |
| 20:11.11 | hunterkll | get fam 6.1 stable |
| 20:11.14 | hunterkll | it suspends right |
| 20:11.18 | dc___ | heh |
| 20:11.19 | pb_ | dc___: you can suspend as root with apm -s, and I think PaxAnima has a workaround for doing it as a user. |
| 20:11.28 | dc___ | oh okay. |
| 20:11.36 | pb_ | mallum: on my desktop, yeah, hard to tell on the ipaq because when you lose the WM the whole session goes too. |
| 20:11.39 | hunterkll | i think he binds apm -s to the power button' |
| 20:12.11 | PaxAnima | dc___: hmm? |
| 20:12.26 | mallum | pb_: okie |
| 20:12.32 | hunterkll | dc___ needs help with suspend bug in unstable |
| 20:12.39 | dc___ | hunterkll: thank you |
| 20:12.51 | hunterkll | ^.^ |
| 20:12.56 | dc___ | -.- |
| 20:13.13 | dc___ | PaxAnima: read pb_'s last statement |
| 20:13.16 | PaxAnima | dc___: handhelds.org/~paxanima/pm_helper |
| 20:13.19 | PaxAnima | or install bash |
| 20:13.24 | dc___ | :] |
| 20:13.28 | dc___ | right |
| 20:14.24 | PaxAnima | the busybox shell had problems with suid stuff |
| 20:14.37 | dc___ | ahh |
| 20:14.43 | hunterkll | jesus |
| 20:14.54 | hunterkll | i never realised how dependant linux is on busybox heh |
| 20:15.14 | PaxAnima | hunterkll: well, at least familar > 0.5.1 |
| 20:15.23 | dc___ | PaxAnima: so just installing bash solves the problem. |
| 20:15.37 | PaxAnima | yes, and change the sh symlink |
| 20:16.13 | PaxAnima | or the pm_helper script |
| 20:16.19 | dc___ | PaxAnima: hum, and what do I do with pm_helper? |
| 20:16.26 | mallum | pb_: on my desktop I get 'Invalid byte order in XSETTINGS property' then a segfualt when I even try to run matchbox with gpe-confd running |
| 20:16.28 | hunterkll | or |
| 20:16.59 | pb_ | mallum: is that on your powerpc? |
| 20:17.06 | mallum | pb_: yeah |
| 20:17.11 | mallum | pb_: heres the backtrace; |
| 20:17.14 | mallum | #0 0x0fb8e50c in mallopt () from /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 20:17.14 | mallum | #1 0x0fb8d04c in free () from /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 20:17.14 | mallum | #2 0x0f9f88f8 in xsettings_setting_free () |
| 20:17.14 | mallum | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.14 | mallum | #3 0x0fe6607c in _SDA_BASE_ () from /usr/local/lib/libXsettings-client.so.0 |
| 20:17.14 | PaxAnima | dc___: do you go for the bash solution? or my replacement? |
| 20:17.36 | dc___ | PaxAnima: your replacment |
| 20:17.37 | pb_ | #3 looks a bit dubious. |
| 20:17.55 | PaxAnima | dc___: well, just take backup of your original and drop my in instead |
| 20:17.59 | pb_ | let me have a look at the client code. |
| 20:18.16 | mallum | pb_: I'll reinstallk from CVS, maybe its changed |
| 20:18.23 | dc___ | PaxAnima: I guess I didn't even have pm_helper installed in the first place |
| 20:18.28 | PaxAnima | dc___: oh.. |
| 20:18.35 | PaxAnima | dc___: no /sbin/pm_helper? |
| 20:18.45 | dc___ | PaxAnima: ah, quite, my bad. |
| 20:19.21 | pb_ | mallum: the segfault is a bug in xsettings-client.c, I will check in a fix. |
| 20:19.43 | mallum | pb_: coolio |
| 20:19.56 | hunterkll | lol |
| 20:19.57 | dc___ | PaxAnima: great, works a charm. |
| 20:20.03 | PaxAnima | dc___: no problem ;) |
| 20:20.11 | dc___ | PaxAnima: are you not alowed to replace the version in unstable? |
| 20:20.50 | PaxAnima | dc___: don't now, but sandman was going to fix busyox, acording to jamey |
| 20:21.16 | pb_ | mallum: ok, try now |
| 20:22.54 | dc___ | PaxAnima: ah okay. |
| 20:23.01 | pb_ | PaxAnima: can you explain to me in small words what the problem is with busybox? |
| 20:23.52 | PaxAnima | pb_: no. (small enough?;) but jamey mentioned something about it |
| 20:24.46 | pb_ | hrm, I still think the problem is more likely to be in the kernel than busybox. |
| 20:26.52 | hunterkll | heh |
| 20:26.54 | mallum | pb_: just libxsetting-client needs rebuilding right ? |
| 20:27.32 | pb_ | mallum: yeah |
| 20:27.35 | PaxAnima | pb_: well, pm_helper works when using bash |
| 20:27.57 | mallum | pb_: yeah fine now, no warning byte order warning and no crash when it goes away |
| 20:28.06 | mallum | brb |
| 20:28.07 | hunterkll | paxanima, any word on usb networking thingy? |
| 20:28.19 | pb_ | mallum: ah, maybe the package in familiar is just outdated. |
| 20:28.29 | pb_ | mallum: I'll build a new ipk and see if that helps. |
| 20:29.09 | pb_ | PaxAnima: what was the suid stuff you were talking about earlier? |
| 20:29.33 | PaxAnima | hunterkll: the entry pointing to my page should be removed, 'cause I think the usbnet in the kernel is working nowadays |
| 20:30.03 | hunterkll | not that |
| 20:30.07 | hunterkll | in the bootldr |
| 20:30.15 | hunterkll | wernt u makin usbnet support in the bootldr? |
| 20:30.20 | pb_ | hunterkll: that was NonToxic |
| 20:30.22 | PaxAnima | pb_: I think jamey said something about the busybox shell couldn't be executed by a suid app or something like that |
| 20:30.25 | hunterkll | or was that antiproxy? |
| 20:30.28 | hunterkll | ok |
| 20:30.35 | PaxAnima | hunterkll: that was NonToxic, I think |
| 20:30.43 | pb_ | PaxAnima: ah, strange. |
| 20:31.11 | dc___ | mallum: oh, btw, there's a new icon for the volume control applet in gnome2 cvs. |
| 20:31.16 | pb_ | I guess busybox does have privilege-dropping code in there, but you can't really take it out. |
| 20:31.25 | dc___ | mallum: I think it'd probly be a bit nicer than the current mb one. |
| 20:31.33 | pb_ | Maybe the kernel is calling pm_helper with euid != uid or something like that. |
| 20:31.41 | dc___ | mallum: as our current one seems a bit on the tiny side. |
| 20:32.45 | PaxAnima | all righty.. now that my cousin left, I can do the rest of the statistical dictionary... |
| 20:33.37 | dc___ | weeeee. |
| 20:33.41 | dc___ | who did julia again ;] |
| 20:33.51 | pb_ | dc___: moray |
| 20:33.55 | dc___ | ah, |
| 20:34.02 | dc___ | moray_: nice job :) |
| 20:34.06 | dc___ | looks nice. |
| 20:35.05 | pb_ | yeah, it does indeed. |
| 20:36.17 | pb_ | mallum: ah, I can reproduce the crash with gpe-calendar now as well. |
| 20:37.27 | pb_ | mallum: in this case at least the problem was that it was failing to handle XSETTINGS_ACTION_DELETED calls to the notify function, which get the value passed as NULL. Looks like libxsettings-client generates a delete event for each setting when it loses the manager. Maybe matchbox has some kind of similar issue. |
| 20:45.54 | dc___ | pb_: right, so when should it set my default theme and font? |
| 20:47.28 | dc_ | pb_: if I have no gtkrc in my home dir? |
| 20:47.36 | pb_ | dc___: no, if you have no ~/.gpe/settings |
| 20:47.41 | dc_ | ah |
| 20:48.27 | dc_ | pb_: great. |
| 20:49.14 | pb_ | dc_: works? |
| 20:49.22 | dc_ | pb_: yep, a charm. |
| 20:49.24 | pb_ | phew |
| 20:49.27 | pb_ | :-) |
| 20:51.11 | dc_ | pb_: weeee, minibat looks great :D |
| 20:52.44 | pb_ | dc_: cool :-) |
| 20:55.37 | PaxAnima | looking forward to coming home to my desktop computer... deeply nested blocks gets a bit ugly on my laptop( 800x600 res.) |
| 20:59.18 | hunterkll | heh |
| 21:00.03 | dc_ | pigeon: .. |
| 21:02.53 | mallum | pb_: matchbox currently does nothing for the deleted action |
| 21:03.13 | pb_ | mallum: and it doesn't attempt to dereference the value at all? |
| 21:03.34 | mallum | pb_: bope |
| 21:03.36 | mallum | nope |
| 21:03.55 | pb_ | hmm |
| 21:04.12 | mallum | pb_: sorry I lied |
| 21:04.13 | pb_ | not even wm.c line 1363? |
| 21:06.14 | mallum | but line 1362 now says && setting != NULL |
| 21:06.16 | mallum | ;-) |
| 21:06.26 | pb_ | heh |
| 21:06.32 | pb_ | guess I must have overlooked that :-) |
| 21:06.45 | mallum | no I just added it |
| 21:07.05 | pb_ | yeah, that was my attempt at humour |
| 21:07.35 | mallum | yeah mine too ;-) |
| 21:07.48 | pb_ | guess we should both give it up. |
| 21:08.22 | mallum | yeah |
| 21:10.23 | mallum | pb_: btw there is no need for mbpixbuf_to_mask |
| 21:10.52 | mallum | pb_: you can get the mask from mb_pixbuf_render_to_drawable |
| 21:10.59 | pb_ | mallum: ah. |
| 21:12.49 | mallum | pb_: I think ... |
| 21:13.37 | mallum | pb_: no I lied ( again ) |
| 21:13.44 | mallum | pb_: mb_pixbuf_img_new_from_drawable takes a mask |
| 21:14.03 | hunterkll | lol |
| 21:16.13 | pb_ | mallum: ah, okay. |
| 21:20.31 | mallum | pb_: oh yeah I have to ask you about the plausability of my evil X hack |
| 21:21.01 | pb_ | mallum: crumbs, what hack did you have in mind? |
| 21:21.37 | mallum | pb_: use iptables to proxy connections to the X socket, if the connection is external popup up a dialog to the user asking if they'd like to allow the connection. If yes, then masqurade the connection to be comming locally |
| 21:22.16 | mallum | pb_: Im not sure how evil / possible that is, but Id like to hear your thoughts .. |
| 21:22.26 | hunterkll | not evil |
| 21:22.28 | pb_ | mallum: sounds like it should be quite feasible. |
| 21:22.41 | hunterkll | evil is you making an app that icq's you and roots the ipaq |
| 21:22.52 | hunterkll | so you can ddos ppl wit their ipaqs |
| 21:23.17 | mallum | pb_: Im not sure how it fits in with magic cookies niether |
| 21:23.46 | pb_ | mallum: you can use iptables transparent proxying to redirect all incoming traffic to your program. The dialog stuff is obviously straightforward. |
| 21:24.32 | hunterkll | ok |
| 21:24.35 | hunterkll | i'm gonna do it |
| 21:24.46 | hunterkll | now |
| 21:24.50 | pb_ | mallum: from what I remember of the magic cookies (not much) they are literally just that - if you can quote a cookie that the Xserver knows about, it will let you in. There isn't any authentication to make sure you are the person the cookie was issued to. |
| 21:25.05 | hunterkll | can someone help me figure out how to download the whole dammned familiar feeds? |
| 21:25.17 | pb_ | hunterkll: rsync maybe? |
| 21:25.28 | mallum | hunterkll: wget -m ? |
| 21:25.49 | hunterkll | windows box |
| 21:25.54 | hunterkll | d/l to my apache server |
| 21:26.03 | hunterkll | because my ipaq cant reach teh outside world |
| 21:26.07 | hunterkll | rsync? |
| 21:26.10 | hunterkll | wahts that? |
| 21:26.31 | pb_ | ibot, rsync? |
| 21:26.32 | | File transfer program to keep remote files into sync. URL: http://rsync.samba.org/ |
| 21:26.48 | hunterkll | windows? |
| 21:26.53 | pb_ | dunno, check the site. |
| 21:27.16 | pb_ | rsync is pretty common, I would expect there to be a windows version by now. |
| 21:27.37 | pb_ | mallum: did you have any particular application in mind for this authorisation thing? |
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| 21:30.35 | mallum | pb_: well I've been thinking about making this migration easier from a users point of view, then I thought it'd be a cool hack ;-) |
| 21:30.48 | mallum | pb_: idealy Id like to write it as an extension |
| 21:30.51 | pb_ | heh |
| 21:31.10 | prpplague | afternoon guys |
| 21:31.33 | PaxAnima | weeee... the dictionary using statisticss are coming along (if you don't mind seg faults due to memory violations;) |
| 21:32.11 | pb_ | mallum: well, it does sound like it might be cool. |
| 21:34.10 | pb_ | mallum: I guess migration also has security issues going the other way: you don't want other people who might have access to your display to be able to "steal" your clients by migrating them onto another display. I'm not sure what the best way to address that is, maybe some kind of public-key scheme. |
| 21:34.11 | hunterkll | lol pax |
| 21:35.11 | mallum | pb_: yeah and others no doubt |
| 21:35.49 | mallum | pb_: though assuming youd need a connection to the display to migrate an application that might not be too much of a problem |
| 21:36.03 | mallum | pb_: as long as you'd didn't let some evil app connect |
| 21:36.47 | mallum | pb_: you could have a dialog that said something like ; |
| 21:36.57 | mallum | [] dissallow this client |
| 21:37.03 | mallum | [] allow only this client |
| 21:37.19 | mallum | [] allow any clients from this host |
| 21:37.26 | pb_ | mallum: yeah, though there are situations where you might want to share a display with other people whom you trust enough to let them display their apps on your screen, but not enough to be comfortable if they start taking your shell windows home with them. |
| 21:37.32 | pb_ | mallum: yep, sounds good. |
| 21:38.12 | mallum | pb_: I think for sharing the entire desktop, vnc is probably a better option currently than the x protocol |
| 21:38.28 | pb_ | mallum: I guess to avoid annoyance you probably want a "disallow this client and don't even ask me about others from that host". |
| 21:38.48 | mallum | pb_: yeah defiently |
| 21:39.31 | spung | cmarqu: ping |
| 21:40.46 | hunterkll | whew |
| 21:40.49 | hunterkll | found rsync thingy |
| 21:40.50 | mallum | pb_: Im worried though due to the 'why hasn't this been done before' kind of thought, where they maybe some evil obvious ( though not to me ) secruity hole |
| 21:41.57 | pb_ | mallum: I can't think of any real security problems with it. Maybe see if you can attract jg's attention and find out if he has any thoughts. |
| 21:42.13 | mallum | jg: ping didi ping ping pong |
| 21:42.23 | pb_ | that should do it :-) |
| 21:42.32 | mallum | heh |
| 21:42.43 | hunterkll | hrm |
| 21:42.45 | hunterkll | i have an ides |
| 21:42.47 | hunterkll | idea |
| 21:43.09 | hunterkll | if its just one user doing it |
| 21:43.15 | hunterkll | have them set a password |
| 21:43.21 | hunterkll | make it reqiuerd |
| 21:43.30 | hunterkll | and have that password needed to do anything |
| 21:43.44 | jg | pb_, mallum: I have to go start dinner warming.... bbl |
| 21:48.07 | mallum | dinner warming ? |
| 21:49.26 | hunterkll | YES |
| 21:49.29 | hunterkll | rsync worky now! |
| 21:52.55 | hunterkll | who told me the familiar feed was under one gig? |
| 21:54.31 | hunterkll | i'll KILL THEM |
| 21:54.36 | hunterkll | ITS 3.3 GIGS! |
| 22:13.20 | __moray | hm, maybe I'll escape back to Cambridge tomorrow |
| 22:13.27 | hunterkll | :) |
| 22:14.07 | mallum | __moray: where are you now ? |
| 22:14.12 | __moray | London |
| 22:14.46 | mallum | eek pug pooed next to me on safa |
| 22:14.52 | __moray | oh dear |
| 22:16.57 | hunterkll | lol |
| 22:17.03 | hunterkll | computer near a sofa? |
| 22:17.09 | hunterkll | all i get is a sheet steel chari |
| 22:17.14 | hunterkll | no armrests |
| 22:17.23 | hunterkll | its a bent peice of sheet steel |
| 22:17.32 | hunterkll | and some legs with weels |
| 22:17.42 | __moray | hm, I think gpe-gallery needs some work - it got rather upset at a CF card from my camera (even a mostly empty one) |
| 22:17.49 | pb_ | __moray: oh dear |
| 22:17.50 | hunterkll | lol |
| 22:18.04 | pb_ | __moray: how did this upset-ness manifest itself? |
| 22:18.06 | __moray | pb_: well, I suspect it's trying to store decompressed versions of images or something |
| 22:18.15 | __moray | pb_: it hung, then died with out-of-memory |
| 22:18.29 | pb_ | __moray: ah |
| 22:18.39 | pb_ | __moray: sounds quite likely. |
| 22:19.43 | __moray | erk: gpe_iconlist_add_item (GPE_ICONLIST(il), basename (buf), image_filename, (gpointer) this_item); |
| 22:20.03 | pb_ | well, I would say you have identified the source of the problem. |
| 22:20.44 | __moray | maybe I'll use bugzilla (for once) |
| 22:20.58 | pb_ | gpeiconlist holds all the images in both full-side and scaled form, so that it can rescale them if you decide to change the zoom factor (eg in gpe-filemanager). |
| 22:21.20 | pb_ | so, gpe-gallery needs to load the image itself, prescale it to some sensible size, and then pass that smaller pixbuf to iconlist. |
| 22:21.24 | __moray | pb_: indeed, this is good for the filemanager / appmgr, but not so good with say 256 MB of images |
| 22:21.32 | pb_ | __moray: right. |
| 22:22.15 | __moray | pb_: although maybe in principle it would be nicer if the gpeiconlist spotted large images and just reloaded them instead? - hm |
| 22:22.18 | mallum | hunterkll: Im on my laptop |
| 22:22.43 | pb_ | __moray: that's probably a bit too much intelligence to embed into iconlist. |
| 22:23.32 | hunterkll | ah |
| 22:23.38 | __moray | true; I suppose another alternative would be for it to send back some sort of 'changing size' signal to apps that care |
| 22:24.04 | hunterkll | what |
| 22:24.14 | hunterkll | are the apps gonna form a "we care" commitie? |
| 22:24.20 | __moray | hm, actually, if I'm to complain in bugzilla I'd need a gpe-gallery component there |
| 22:24.20 | hunterkll | like on a cartoon on tv? |
| 22:24.36 | __moray | hunterkll: [about receiving such a signal] |
| 22:24.41 | pb_ | __moray: the size changing is instigated by the apps anyway; they have to explicitly call gpe_iconlist_set_icon_size or something. |
| 22:25.02 | pb_ | __moray: ah yes, I guess that would help. let me invoke my browser and add one. |
| 22:25.05 | __moray | pb_: ah right - can they easily change images without recreating the whole list? |
| 22:25.15 | __moray | pb_: (or I suppose I could read the code ;) |
| 22:25.23 | pb_ | __moray: good idea ;-) |
| 22:27.09 | pb_ | __moray: I turned on the "can create and edit components" flag for your bugzilla account. |
| 22:27.16 | pb_ | (I was too lazy to make a gpe-gallery component myself) |
| 22:27.18 | __moray | pb_: ah right, thanks |
| 22:29.00 | mallum | pb_: hmm, poking through the X source, it doesn't look increadably difficult to add a new authorisation hook |
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| 22:30.02 | pb_ | mallum: ah cool |
| 22:50.32 | hunterkll | YES YES YES! |
| 22:50.39 | hunterkll | go rsync go rsync yayaya |
| 23:03.13 | pb_ | pigeon: quite so |
| 23:03.56 | pigeon | Hmm seems that I need to add -lXsettings to the LDFLAGS in order to compile gpe-calendar. |
| 23:04.12 | pb_ | pigeon: mccarthy had that problem too, and I can't figure out why. |
| 23:04.29 | pigeon | Maybe different versions of compiler? |
| 23:04.34 | pb_ | possibly. |
| 23:04.42 | pigeon | Anyway, not really important :) |
| 23:04.57 | pb_ | No, though it's irritating. |
| 23:06.06 | pigeon | Hmm I need recode. |
| 23:06.29 | pb_ | Yeah, recode is needed to build more or less anything. |
| 23:07.03 | pigeon | Another funny thing, on my ipaq, I always have to set CVS_RSH=ssh to use cvs, but on my desktop I don't have to. |
| 23:07.19 | pb_ | I think on some versions of cvs, ssh is the default. |
| 23:07.38 | pb_ | or possibly some versions of ssh install as rsh too, I forget which it is. |
| 23:07.58 | pigeon | Hmm well they're the same version number. |
| 23:08.05 | pigeon | Oh heh, that. |
| 23:08.39 | pigeon | pb_: Bingo! :) |
| 23:08.56 | pigeon | /usr/bin/rsh -> /etc/alternatives/rsh -> /usr/bin/ssh |
| 23:09.01 | pigeon | On my desktop :) |
| 23:09.04 | pb_ | Aha. |
| 23:11.10 | hunterkll | what is with this "skipping non regular file blahblah" on rsync? |
| 23:11.20 | hunterkll | how do i get it to d/l the "non regular file"? |
| 23:11.30 | pigeon | What is that blahblah? |
| 23:11.35 | pigeon | You might need -a |
| 23:11.40 | hunterkll | a whole bunch of files |
| 23:11.57 | hunterkll | and some "python" file in the apps thing |
| 23:12.01 | hunterkll | ok |
| 23:12.11 | hunterkll | its the unix switches, uses cygwin dll |
| 23:12.15 | pigeon | -av is basically an alias to -rlptg |
| 23:12.19 | pigeon | Hmm I mean -a |
| 23:12.48 | hunterkll | rsync -rt(n) (--progress) (--delete) (username@)ip.of.source.machine::sharename c:/path/to/roms/ |
| 23:12.48 | hunterkll | Let me break that down: |
| 23:12.48 | hunterkll | rsync - our command |
| 23:12.48 | hunterkll | r - Recurse subdirectories |
| 23:12.48 | hunterkll | t - Make timestamps on the target the same as the source |
| 23:12.48 | hunterkll | n - dry run, don't actually copy the files, but show me what you would have done. |
| 23:12.50 | hunterkll | --progress - Show me a pretty progress meter on each file. |
| 23:12.52 | hunterkll | --delete - This is a big one. If a file on my machine in this directory exists, but on the remote machine it does not, *DELETE IT*. This is good for when you're certain your mame set is completely out of whack but the set at the remote site is perfect. Might I recommend you back up your sets before doing something like this? Or don't use the switch and then use something like ClrMAME to clean up the mess. |
| 23:12.55 | pigeon | Recursive to directory, preserve links, preserve time, group, permissions, etc. |
| 23:12.57 | hunterkll | The last part should be self explanitory. For right now we're operating in anonymous mode, so we don't have to worry about usernames. After we know for sure that everything is working as it should, I'll start giving instructions on how to secure everything. For now if you want your machine secure, just stop the RSync service. |
| 23:13.01 | hunterkll | krap |
| 23:13.03 | hunterkll | wrong thing |
| 23:13.07 | hunterkll | ok |
| 23:13.11 | pb_ | hunterkll: please don't do that again |
| 23:13.21 | PaxAnima | yes! the statistical dictionary seems to work, ie. the irc input system should now be truly predictive... ;) |
| 23:13.52 | pigeon | PaxAnima: :) So can I still use teaspoonful? ;) |
| 23:14.13 | PaxAnima | pigeon: if you say it enoug, teaspoonful should come before words like "this" and "that" ;) |
| 23:14.16 | hunterkll | i copied sumthin |
| 23:14.22 | hunterkll | and it copied the rest automaticly |
| 23:15.00 | pigeon | Ah so it will actually remember your word usages... |
| 23:15.18 | pigeon | Kewl... |
| 23:15.46 | PaxAnima | pigeon: yes.. the statistical dictionary keeps track of frequency the word is used, and will suggest the most used word when you tab-complete |
| 23:16.16 | pigeon | PaxAnima, in fact, hmm, that would be a really nice feature for xkbd/xstroke. |
| 23:16.30 | pb_ | pigeon: it would. |
| 23:16.39 | PaxAnima | pigeon: yes, plan to make a system mallum could use for a dock app ;) |
| 23:16.49 | pb_ | I think the Z handwriting recogniser offers you completions as you go along. |
| 23:16.57 | pigeon | Now that's really something :) |
| 23:17.33 | pigeon | Hmm... that reminds of XIM... |
| 23:17.44 | PaxAnima | XIM? |
| 23:18.17 | pigeon | Can someone possibly specify his own dictionary, so that, if I type blah, it types a japanese or chinese word for me? ;) |
| 23:18.31 | pb_ | That would certainly be cool. |
| 23:19.11 | pigeon | Or like switching mode. |
| 23:19.19 | pigeon | Switching dictionary, that's it. |
| 23:19.33 | PaxAnima | pigeon: currently the system relies on letters within the ascii table |
| 23:19.46 | PaxAnima | extend ascii table, even |
| 23:19.46 | pigeon | Hmm right... |
| 23:19.49 | hunterkll | a translation dictionary |
| 23:19.55 | hunterkll | there are tons of them |
| 23:19.58 | hunterkll | just use google! |
| 23:20.07 | hunterkll | hola |
| 23:20.14 | hunterkll | hrm |
| 23:20.22 | hunterkll | i am learning um is it spanish? |
| 23:20.45 | PaxAnima | pigeon: how do I handle weird characters like chinese and its relatives in C? |
| 23:21.17 | pb_ | PaxAnima: they're just unicode like everything else |
| 23:21.25 | pigeon | Hmm, in fact, for big5 for example, they will still work in C. |
| 23:21.35 | pigeon | Unicode will work too. |
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| 23:21.52 | PaxAnima | hmm... how do I handle unicode strings then? |
| 23:21.58 | florian | hi all! |
| 23:22.20 | pb_ | PaxAnima: what do you want to do to them? |
| 23:22.22 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 23:23.01 | PaxAnima | pb_: well, basicly compare them |
| 23:23.14 | pb_ | PaxAnima: you can compare them with the normal functions. |
| 23:23.32 | __moray | incidentally, the other day I started playing around with code for my long-planned handwriting system -- but don't expect anything useful for a long time, if at all ;) |
| 23:23.53 | pb_ | __moray: oh cool, I didn't even know you were working on one. |
| 23:24.05 | PaxAnima | pb_: ok.. |
| 23:24.37 | __moray | pb_: well, since I did various machine learning type stuff last year I have some ideas about how one should work, but I'd want to read up some more on existing systems before writing the recogniser |
| 23:24.57 | pb_ | __moray: right. |
| 23:24.58 | __moray | pb_: the code so far is basically a tiny sketchpad just so I have something to get data from |
| 23:25.42 | __moray | pb_: I might check it into CVS, but only as long as no one's going to get all excited and think I've already written something useful ;) |
| 23:25.45 | hunterkll | HAH |
| 23:25.56 | hunterkll | guy goes "let me fix your sink" |
| 23:26.02 | hunterkll | he goes to fix the sink |
| 23:26.04 | pb_ | __moray: hehe. |
| 23:26.36 | hunterkll | and the other one says "you even have the pplumber look" |
| 23:26.44 | hunterkll | first one says "why thank you" |
| 23:26.55 | __moray | pb_: if I were eventually to get a system working I'd then potentially like to do something clever to make it interact with GTK editable widgets |
| 23:27.11 | hunterkll | second one says "no, i ment pull thoes shorts up, i could park a truck in there |
| 23:27.11 | __moray | pb_: (in a Newtonesque fashion, I suppose) |
| 23:27.12 | hunterkll | " |
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| 23:29.38 | pb_ | pigeon: I think dc was looking at input methods for Japanese at one point, but I don't know if he ever found anything that would be workable on the ipaq. |
| 23:30.16 | hunterkll | hrm |
| 23:30.19 | hunterkll | think |
| 23:30.25 | hunterkll | i wanna try familiar .02 |
| 23:30.28 | hunterkll | :) |
| 23:30.34 | pigeon | pb_: Hmm right. It really depends. I imagine running any of those XIM input method on the ipaq, it should work with xstroke/xkbd/etc. |
| 23:30.49 | pb_ | pigeon: Yah, I'd have thought so. |
| 23:31.58 | pigeon | Usually getting those XIM programs to work will be a job of getting locales, fonts (usually xfonts not ttf), and then the program to talk to XIM (XMODIFIERS). |
| 23:32.08 | pigeon | But then of course we'd prefer a handwriting one too :) |
| 23:32.41 | pigeon | pb_: Remember last time I was trying to get that chinese keyboard to work? I didn't get very far though. |
| 23:32.48 | __moray | with respect to the stuff I've been thinking about, I have to come to some sort of compromise between things we know will work and things I think will work better... |
| 23:32.53 | pb_ | pigeon: with gtk2 apps you can select XIM from the popup menu, though I'm not sure how you make it default. |
| 23:33.18 | pigeon | pb_: Oh ok... nice... that reminds me of mlterm. |
| 23:33.21 | __moray | for me xstroke is too far in the 'safe' direction, in that it doesn't give me enough benefit (from being like normal writing) to bother using it |
| 23:34.07 | pb_ | __moray: yes. |
| 23:34.17 | pb_ | pigeon: yeah, I looked at mlterm to replace rxvt, but it seems too big. |
| 23:34.46 | pb_ | pigeon: I might have another look at putting something together with VTE. |
| 23:34.51 | pigeon | Hmm I still remember I was hoping to make xstroke to recognize multiple strokes. |
| 23:35.33 | pigeon | pb_: Yeah, I got mlterm on my ipaq, sometimes it's very nice, sometimes it has weird behaviour which other more normal terms don't. |
| 23:36.11 | pb_ | Right. |
| 23:36.17 | __moray | pb_: although playing with this draw-what-I write thing has worried me a bit, by pointing out just how illegible any writing is when you try to write it on an ipaq screen with a stylus... |
| 23:36.25 | pigeon | Got this size 12 chinese xfonts, crxvt on ipaq just use it right, mlterm just always doing something wrong with the spacing. |
| 23:36.52 | pigeon | I asked on mlterm list but no one seemed to be interested. :( |
| 23:37.58 | pigeon | http://pigeond.net/~pigeon/mlterm/crxvt-big5-ipaq.png VS http://pigeond.net/~pigeon/mlterm/mlterm-big5-ipaq.png |
| 23:38.01 | pigeon | :) |
| 23:38.34 | pb_ | Hrm, yes, I see. |
| 23:38.40 | pigeon | The even more weird bit is, with that font, mlterm works fine on my desktop. :} |
| 23:38.56 | pb_ | Very strange. |
| 23:39.05 | pigeon | Hmm Japanese seemed to work ok in mlterm I remember, with a size 10 xfont. |
| 23:39.15 | pigeon | dc will be happy about that :) |
| 23:39.20 | pb_ | Yeah. |
| 23:39.46 | pigeon | Destop mlterm is http://pigeond.net/~pigeon/mlterm/mlterm-big5-desktop.png btw if you want to see. |
| 23:40.05 | pb_ | Though, since dc only has a 16MB ipaq, I think he is going to struggle to fit fonts and input dictionaries for kanji on there. |
| 23:40.36 | pigeon | Hmm xfonts are quite small in fact. Even for like chinese and japanese characters. |
| 23:40.52 | pb_ | pigeon: Ah, the ttf ones seemed to be quite large. |
| 23:41.01 | pigeon | pb_: Yes, VERY large :) |
| 23:41.11 | pb_ | pigeon: Strange, I wonder why that is. |
| 23:41.19 | hunterkll | hey |
| 23:41.21 | pigeon | The size 10 japanese xfont is 137k. |
| 23:41.30 | hunterkll | um |
| 23:41.32 | pb_ | Oh right, that's not too bad at all. |
| 23:41.36 | pigeon | Most chinese/japanese ttf are >8mb and >10mb |
| 23:41.52 | pb_ | How big are the dictionaries usually, do you know? |
| 23:42.25 | hunterkll | how do i get the ttf's without a internet connection? |
| 23:42.31 | hunterkll | the ones in the postinst script |
| 23:42.36 | pigeon | Hmm, could be around 100k for one. |
| 23:42.47 | pigeon | That's "compiled" into some binary format. |
| 23:42.47 | pb_ | pigeon: Ah okay, so again not all that large. |
| 23:43.03 | pb_ | pigeon: I was expecting it to be like a megabyte or something. |
| 23:43.19 | pigeon | Oh even non compiled one is only like 1xxk here. |
| 23:43.31 | pb_ | pigeon: Right, cool. |
| 23:44.03 | hunterkll | how do i get the ttf's without a internet connection? |
| 23:44.04 | hunterkll | the ones in the postinst script |
| 23:44.26 | pb_ | I guess you can download them manually. |
| 23:44.41 | pigeon | Oh some could be around 500k too. |
| 23:45.00 | pb_ | Right. |
| 23:45.11 | pb_ | Well, still, not too fatal. |
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| 23:56.33 | *** join/#gpe dc_ (~dc@modem-15-50-60-62.vip.uk.com) |
| 23:57.21 | dc_ | oh huray. |
| 23:57.25 | dc_ | gpe-gallery bugs. |
| 23:57.44 | PaxAnima | dc_: irc input is getting close to have "true" prediction ;) |
| 23:57.55 | dc_ | PaxAnima: sounds promising. |
| 23:57.57 | __moray | dc_: ha, just a little present for you ;) |
| 23:58.15 | dc_ | __moray: I always enjoy late christmas gifts. |
| 23:58.59 | __moray | dc_: if I'd had more time I was actually meaning to upload gpe-julia in time for Christmas... |
| 23:59.01 | dc_ | __moray: ahh yes, I see your argument on bug 157. |
| 23:59.15 | dc_ | __moray: isn't it already in unstable? |
| 23:59.41 | __moray | dc_: yes, but I missed Christmas I think |
| 23:59.47 | dc_ | ahh ;] |
| 23:59.53 | __moray | dc_: I suppose I'm in time for e.g. the Coptic christmas |
