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| 00:03.53 | pb_ | dc__: want me to send you a gpe-iconlist patch to try out? |
| 00:04.18 | dc__ | pb_: sure thing :) |
| 00:04.28 | dc__ | I'd love to have a email today |
| 00:04.34 | dc__ | it's bee so lonely |
| 00:04.36 | pb_ | hehe |
| 00:04.37 | dc__ | heh |
| 00:05.46 | pb_ | mail sent |
| 00:06.19 | dc__ | cool |
| 00:06.51 | dc__ | oooooh. |
| 00:06.56 | dc__ | how cute. |
| 00:07.03 | dc__ | http://svgicons.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:07.14 | dc__ | image how they would look on the iPAQ :] |
| 00:07.48 | pb_ | yeah, I was thinking about that a couple of weeks ago. |
| 00:08.09 | dc__ | it makes sense for the iPAQ |
| 00:08.10 | pb_ | also about using svg for the gpe-login screen, like the new gdm does |
| 00:08.12 | dc__ | to have vector |
| 00:08.19 | dc__ | ooh yes |
| 00:08.46 | dc__ | I tell you, with a theme like the screenshots on that page, we'd be uverleet |
| 00:08.49 | dc__ | ober1337 :DF |
| 00:08.52 | dc__ | hehe |
| 00:09.00 | pb_ | :-) |
| 00:09.15 | pb_ | that would indeed rule. |
| 00:09.36 | dc__ | yeah |
| 00:09.59 | dc__ | I can just see a cool blue matchbox theme, and that cool cartoon style font of mallums. |
| 00:10.32 | pb_ | yup |
| 00:12.15 | dc__ | http://svgicons.sourceforge.net/BlueSphere-kmail-48x48.png |
| 00:12.27 | dc__ | woow, now that's how cool gpe-mail oculd oneday look :} |
| 00:12.36 | pb_ | yes :-) |
| 00:12.44 | dc__ | hehe |
| 00:12.52 | pb_ | well, 48x48 icons are perhaps a bit much for the ipaq screen :-} |
| 00:13.00 | pb_ | but yes |
| 00:13.13 | dc__ | well, yeahh |
| 00:13.16 | dc__ | hehe |
| 00:13.26 | pb_ | ah, they even got a name-check for keithp in that screenshot. |
| 00:13.44 | dc__ | wha? |
| 00:14.00 | pb_ | heh, never mind. |
| 00:16.27 | dc__ | patch is failing :/ |
| 00:16.35 | pb_ | oh dear |
| 00:16.42 | pb_ | which bits? |
| 00:16.46 | pb_ | and are you trying to apply it against latest cvs? |
| 00:17.00 | dc__ | let me update |
| 00:17.09 | pb_ | ah yes |
| 00:33.36 | pb_ | argh, my build machine is stalled. |
| 00:33.41 | pb_ | I thought gnome-vfs was taking a long time. |
| 00:35.03 | dc__ | oh dear. |
| 00:46.56 | pb_ | ok, phew, gnome-vfs compiled |
| 00:49.30 | dc__ | great! |
| 00:51.31 | pb_ | hmm, it seems to be built against gnutls5 and something called libtasn1. |
| 00:51.36 | pb_ | do we think that will be a problem? |
| 00:52.53 | pb_ | well, I'll package it the way it is for now. |
| 00:53.03 | pb_ | if it turns out to be too huge, I can always try to remove those dependencies later. |
| 00:59.24 | dc__ | okay |
| 01:00.50 | pb_ | sigh, gnutls isn't packaged yet |
| 01:00.55 | pb_ | I guess I will have to do that one as well. |
| 01:01.42 | pb_ | anyway, libgnomevfs2-0 itself is uploaded now |
| 01:06.26 | dc__ | maybe I should not talk on #hh so often :] |
| 01:06.31 | dc__ | hehe |
| 01:06.37 | pb_ | hehe |
| 01:08.23 | pb_ | ok, this is no fun |
| 01:08.30 | pb_ | I'm gonna rebuild gnome-vfs with tls turned off for now |
| 01:09.32 | dc__ | eeek |
| 01:09.49 | dc__ | that mibuswidget patch makes all my printf's output fuxored |
| 01:09.50 | pb_ | it needs too many new packages, and the binaries are quite big. |
| 01:10.00 | pb_ | dc__: really? crumbs |
| 01:10.06 | pb_ | fuxored how? |
| 01:10.11 | dc__ | yeeahh |
| 01:10.18 | dc__ | G VFS F I ->N : . |
| 01:10.22 | dc__ | heh. |
| 01:10.23 | pb_ | whoa! |
| 01:10.25 | dc__ | you can't even see it. |
| 01:10.32 | dc__ | or can you? |
| 01:10.36 | dc__ | heh |
| 01:10.36 | pb_ | hmm, let me see if that happens for me |
| 01:10.40 | pb_ | I might just not have noticed before |
| 01:10.41 | dc__ | tht's how fuxored. |
| 01:10.57 | dc__ | ooh. |
| 01:10.58 | dc__ | wait. |
| 01:11.10 | pb_ | hmm, no, that doesn't happen for me. |
| 01:11.21 | pb_ | Gnome VFS FileInfo->Name: freetype-2.1.3 |
| 01:11.32 | pb_ | it looks like you are losing all the lower-case letters! |
| 01:11.32 | dc__ | it was some weird filename. |
| 01:11.35 | dc__ | that wine made. |
| 01:11.37 | pb_ | ah. |
| 01:11.47 | pb_ | probably put your terminal into some bad mode. |
| 01:12.06 | dc__ | yep |
| 01:12.24 | dc__ | hum |
| 01:12.27 | dc__ | so the iconsize is smaller. |
| 01:12.38 | dc__ | can we increase the number of columns aswell? |
| 01:13.02 | pb_ | you can try playing with the COL_WIDTH define. |
| 01:13.07 | pb_ | make it smaller to get more columns |
| 01:13.18 | dc__ | okay.. |
| 01:13.23 | dc__ | in gob? |
| 01:13.26 | dc__ | hum |
| 01:13.34 | pb_ | easiest just to tweak it in gpe-iconlist.c directly |
| 01:13.40 | dc__ | why don't we just link the COL_WIDTH to the set iconsize? |
| 01:13.55 | pb_ | yeah, that would be good. |
| 01:14.01 | dc__ | so it automaticly fits in the maximum number of columns possible. |
| 01:14.10 | pb_ | I did that already with the height, just didn't get around to it for the width yet |
| 01:15.07 | pb_ | eventually we should replace COL_WIDTH with a new macro like il_row_height. |
| 01:15.08 | dc__ | let me try then :) |
| 01:15.12 | pb_ | ok cool |
| 01:27.21 | dc__ | w00w. |
| 01:27.28 | pb_ | you win? |
| 01:27.35 | dc__ | I have now official done my first bit of gob hacking. |
| 01:27.37 | dc__ | what fun |
| 01:27.41 | pb_ | heh |
| 01:27.44 | dc__ | mucchhh better. |
| 01:27.46 | pb_ | congratulations |
| 01:27.52 | dc__ | oooh. |
| 01:28.09 | pb_ | :-) |
| 01:28.11 | dc__ | we can have azoom feature :D |
| 01:28.28 | dc__ | then we can official compare gpe-filemanager to nautilus. |
| 01:28.39 | dc__ | minus the nautilus cd burner |
| 01:28.40 | pb_ | ah yes |
| 01:28.40 | dc__ | lol. |
| 01:28.47 | pb_ | hehe |
| 01:29.14 | dc__ | how 1337 |
| 01:29.19 | dc__ | ah |
| 01:29.24 | dc__ | and we also need rename and delete etc... |
| 01:29.29 | pb_ | ah yes |
| 01:29.32 | dc__ | otherwise we won't even have a 'filemanager' |
| 01:29.37 | pb_ | maybe I should look at the tap'n'hold |
| 01:29.38 | dc__ | just a 'fileviewer' |
| 01:29.48 | pb_ | yeah, not so good |
| 01:30.05 | dc__ | pb_: that would be good if you could. |
| 01:30.13 | dc__ | pb_: that level of gobness is sitll beyond me |
| 01:30.18 | pb_ | heh |
| 01:30.27 | pb_ | I think it may be beyond me too, but here goes. |
| 01:30.34 | dc__ | :D |
| 01:30.40 | dc__ | pb_: good luck |
| 01:30.56 | pb_ | :-} |
| 01:33.31 | dc__ | hum |
| 01:33.45 | dc__ | what value should the zoom go up and down in? |
| 01:33.48 | dc__ | 8ths? |
| 01:35.48 | pb_ | yeah, seems reasonable |
| 01:35.55 | dc__ | bbl |
| 01:36.02 | dc__ | food :} |
| 01:57.17 | pb_ | dc__: hmm, popups seem to work ok |
| 01:57.31 | pb_ | dc__: wish I could remember what the problem was meant to be |
| 01:59.31 | pb_ | ah, I found a mail from mibus. |
| 01:59.46 | pb_ | it looks like there was some problem with release events, and the current code has a workaround for them. |
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| 02:03.16 | pb_ | dctanner_: ah hello |
| 02:04.38 | pb_ | dctanner_: I checked in a change to gpe-filemanager to add a simple popup menu |
| 02:04.48 | pb_ | dctanner_: it doesn't actually _do_ anything yet, but you can pop it up. |
| 02:07.56 | dctanner_ | oh wow |
| 02:12.02 | pb_ | you might need some gpeiconlist changes though. I was getting all manner of segfaults at first. |
| 02:13.25 | dctanner_ | okay |
| 02:13.50 | pb_ | I'm not sure how to reconcile these new changes with the other edits you made to gpeiconlist. |
| 02:14.02 | pb_ | Do you want me to send you an incremental patch against the last one? |
| 02:14.21 | dctanner_ | hmm |
| 02:14.30 | dctanner_ | can we not just anoy mibus. |
| 02:14.32 | dctanner_ | and commit it ;] |
| 02:14.41 | pb_ | he doesn't like that much. |
| 02:14.46 | pb_ | ah |
| 02:14.48 | pb_ | but |
| 02:14.50 | pb_ | I could make a branch |
| 02:14.50 | dctanner_ | heh.. |
| 02:14.55 | dctanner_ | that's what cvs is for. |
| 02:14.57 | pb_ | then he need never know |
| 02:14.58 | dctanner_ | :) |
| 02:14.59 | pb_ | :-) |
| 02:15.09 | dctanner_ | it would defently make life for us easier. |
| 02:15.32 | dctanner_ | we can have an undercover mibuswidget hacking team |
| 02:15.32 | dctanner_ | hehee |
| 02:15.38 | pb_ | ok |
| 02:15.48 | pb_ | cvs update -rhacked-iconlist-branch |
| 02:16.50 | pb_ | oh, you probably want to restrict that update to the gpeiconlist files |
| 02:17.04 | dctanner_ | quite. |
| 02:17.07 | pb_ | otherwise cvs will do its extra-helpful "delete all files" routine. |
| 02:17.09 | dctanner_ | how is that done? |
| 02:19.18 | pb_ | dctanner_: cvs update -rhacked-iconlist-branch gpeiconlist.gob gpe-iconlist.c gpe/gpe-iconlist.h |
| 02:19.39 | dc | do I need gpe-iconlist.c or can I live with just the gob file> |
| 02:21.09 | pb_ | just the gob file will do |
| 02:22.39 | dc | coolo |
| 02:22.53 | pb_ | ok, let me check in my changes there |
| 02:23.18 | dc | it won't rm my current .gob will it? |
| 02:23.30 | pb_ | nope |
| 02:23.35 | pb_ | but you could mv your current one out of the way to be sure |
| 02:24.41 | pb_ | ok, checked in |
| 02:29.28 | dc | gpeiconlist.gob:640: Error: parse error at end of input |
| 02:29.29 | dc | :/ |
| 02:29.43 | dc | strange. |
| 02:30.20 | dc | that's the final } in my file |
| 02:30.35 | pb_ | weird |
| 02:30.43 | pb_ | is that error coming from gob, or gcc? |
| 02:30.52 | dc | should I commit my stuff? |
| 02:30.54 | pb_ | it may mean you have an unbalanced { }, or " ", or the like? |
| 02:30.57 | dc | gob2 --no-private-header gpeiconlist.gob |
| 02:30.58 | dc | gpeiconlist.gob:640: Error: parse error at end of input |
| 02:30.58 | dc | make: *** [gpe-iconlist.c] Error 1 |
| 02:31.24 | pb_ | check 'em in, I'll look at it. |
| 02:31.30 | pb_ | be sure to check in on the branch though |
| 02:33.48 | dc | pb_: done |
| 02:33.57 | dc | ahh |
| 02:33.59 | dc | I see. |
| 02:34.04 | dc | colflicts |
| 02:34.16 | dc | let me sort them out |
| 02:35.07 | pb_ | ah |
| 02:36.19 | dc | lots of them |
| 02:36.19 | dc | :/ |
| 02:36.32 | pb_ | :-( |
| 02:37.46 | dc | lets try again |
| 02:37.48 | dc | commiting |
| 02:39.19 | pb_ | looks good |
| 02:39.37 | dc | :) |
| 02:40.14 | dc | damn |
| 02:40.19 | dc | gpe-filemanager now L( |
| 02:40.23 | dc | :) |
| 02:42.13 | pb_ | right |
| 02:42.19 | dc | okay, gpe-filemanager should be okay now. |
| 02:42.22 | dc | well 2secs |
| 02:42.23 | pb_ | cool |
| 02:42.45 | dc | oh ool |
| 02:42.47 | dc | cool |
| 02:42.51 | dc | looks good :) |
| 02:43.07 | pb_ | yeah |
| 02:43.08 | dc | authough there's some funky shading stuff going on. |
| 02:43.14 | pb_ | yes |
| 02:43.35 | pb_ | it seems the iconlist is getting the pixmap size and/or position wrong |
| 02:43.47 | pb_ | when it washes out the icon to show that it's selected. |
| 02:44.06 | dc | ah okay |
| 02:44.24 | pb_ | it also doesn't seem to be doing the bold-text thing any more, for some reason |
| 02:44.24 | dc | pb_: what it hard to make the popup menu? |
| 02:44.32 | pb_ | no, extremely easy in fact |
| 02:44.32 | dc | :\ |
| 02:44.44 | dc | what was mibus complaing about then? |
| 02:45.09 | pb_ | I found an email from him. It turns out there is some issue to do with redrawing the iconlist when the popup goes away. |
| 02:45.27 | pb_ | He is currently working around that by "unselecting" the icon as soon as the popup appears. Which seems like a reasonable enough solution to me. |
| 02:45.47 | pb_ | I don't think it would actually be hard to make things work the way he wants either, though. |
| 02:46.25 | dc | :-] |
| 02:46.51 | pb_ | le me have a go at that |
| 02:46.54 | pb_ | let, even |
| 02:55.46 | dc | pb_: ehh, how do I define an enum passed to a function in the functions prototype? |
| 02:55.51 | dc | just.. |
| 02:55.54 | pb_ | int |
| 02:56.00 | dc | heh |
| 02:59.03 | pb_ | ok, try that |
| 02:59.10 | pb_ | you will need to update both gpeiconlist and gpe-filemanager |
| 03:00.32 | dc | right |
| 03:02.01 | dc | hrm |
| 03:02.35 | dc | my zoom isn't chaning the icon sizw |
| 03:02.37 | dc | size. |
| 03:02.51 | pb_ | ah |
| 03:03.13 | pb_ | I changed it earlier so the icons were scaled when they were first loaded, rather than on every expose. |
| 03:03.25 | pb_ | That will screw up zoom, I guess. |
| 03:04.12 | dc | hehe. yeah |
| 03:04.27 | pb_ | well, we have two choices |
| 03:04.38 | pb_ | either undo that change, which will make redraws slower but make zoom easy |
| 03:04.42 | dc | can we have a flag ro change it? |
| 03:05.06 | pb_ | or cache the pixmaps at both the original size and the currently preferred one, and have some mechanism to throw away the scaled copies when the size changes. |
| 03:05.08 | dc | well, to make it redraw on an expose caused by a zoom function. |
| 03:05.43 | dc | pb_: well, that's what gpe-gallery does. |
| 03:05.48 | dc | pb_: it works I spose. |
| 03:05.51 | pb_ | which one? |
| 03:05.58 | dc | pb_: latter |
| 03:06.04 | pb_ | ok |
| 03:06.06 | dc | pb_: it has 2 copies in memeory. |
| 03:06.16 | pb_ | sounds reasonable. the icons aren't going to be very big. |
| 03:06.32 | dc | pb_: but I also assume that iconlist won't save multiple icons. |
| 03:06.36 | pb_ | and we could cut down memory usage substantially by noticing that (eg) all folders have the same icon, and not loading it repeatedly. |
| 03:06.51 | pb_ | at the moment iconlist is pretty dumb, it loads every icon from a file. |
| 03:06.52 | dc | pb_: yeah, that's what I ment |
| 03:07.31 | dc | pb_: we should make or hash or something similar, so it can easily check if the icon is already loaded, and use that instead. |
| 03:07.31 | pb_ | I did add a new routine that let you pass a GdkPixbuf in when adding an item to the list. So filemanager does have the technology to manage the icons in a slightly smarter fashion. |
| 03:08.04 | dc | pb_: would it not make sense for iconlist to do that though ;] |
| 03:08.33 | pb_ | dc: I'm not sure. I would rather take the load-from-file stuff out of iconlist altogether to be honest. |
| 03:20.40 | dc | okay, fair enough |
| 03:22.07 | dc | pb_: so, what do you think is the best way to store the pixmaps? |
| 03:22.19 | dc | so we can use the same ones when needed. |
| 03:22.53 | pb_ | dc: I guess with a hash table in gpe-filemanager |
| 03:22.59 | dc | okay then |
| 03:32.14 | dc | what about iconsize? |
| 03:32.33 | pb_ | Changing it, you mean? |
| 03:32.37 | dc | does iconliist touch my pixbufs at all? |
| 03:32.43 | pb_ | No. |
| 03:32.46 | dc | good'o |
| 03:32.57 | dc | this should work quite good actualy. |
| 03:32.59 | pb_ | It will take a copy when it needs to resize them. |
| 03:33.20 | dc | oh? |
| 03:33.21 | dc | explain |
| 03:33.33 | dc | so who does the resizing? |
| 03:33.37 | pb_ | iconlist does |
| 03:33.40 | dc | ooh. |
| 03:33.49 | dc | so... |
| 03:34.03 | pb_ | you can give it images of whatever size you want, and tell it what size you want them actually displayed at, and it will scale them to fit. |
| 03:34.03 | dc | okay, I should give it fullsized pixbufs then? |
| 03:34.15 | dc | okay |
| 03:34.29 | dc | so the original pixbufs will be kept by gpe-filemanager. |
| 03:34.39 | dc | and iconlist will have its own set of scaled ones? |
| 03:34.44 | pb_ | right. |
| 03:34.47 | dc | coolo |
| 03:35.15 | pb_ | the scaling is all done transparently inside iconlist, you just feed it the "original" ones and it will either use them directly or make a scaled copy and use that. |
| 03:35.57 | pb_ | so, when you do your zoom thing, all that iconlist needs to do is throw away all its scaled copies and rebuild them at the new size. |
| 03:37.31 | dc | cool. |
| 03:37.53 | pb_ | (see the _check_icon_size function in gpeiconlist.gob for where this happens) |
| 03:40.10 | pb_ | ah, heh, I can make a release of my bluetooth manager now the new iconlist is packaged |
| 03:40.13 | pb_ | cool |
| 03:40.36 | dc | ooh |
| 03:40.37 | dc | yay |
| 03:40.39 | dc | hum |
| 03:40.43 | dc | rather. |
| 03:40.45 | dc | :/ |
| 03:40.54 | dc | more dc style parse errors :/ |
| 03:40.59 | pb_ | oh dear |
| 03:41.07 | dc | hum |
| 03:41.10 | dc | help me with this. |
| 03:41.18 | pb_ | sure, what's the offending code? |
| 03:41.20 | pb_ | you want to check it in? |
| 03:41.24 | dc | the ghash_table_lookup returns a gpointer |
| 03:41.42 | dc | to a p |
| 03:41.44 | dc | bah |
| 03:41.48 | dc | see the code, one sec. |
| 03:42.20 | dc | pb_: ok, commited. |
| 03:42.26 | dc | it's in get_pixbuf () |
| 03:42.34 | dc | gpe-filemanager |
| 03:43.13 | pb_ | dc: you have misspelt "return" as "reutrn" |
| 03:43.52 | dc | pb_: note, your very good at sporring these things :) |
| 03:45.53 | dc | pb_: now...I think something's with the ghash gpointer's still not right |
| 03:45.59 | dc | pb_: try running it |
| 03:46.28 | pb_ | ok |
| 03:46.55 | pb_ | heh, yes |
| 03:47.24 | pb_ | dc: you have to create the hash table, probably g_hash_table_new() or something |
| 03:47.31 | dc | ooh. |
| 03:47.34 | dc | of course! |
| 03:47.34 | dc | yay |
| 03:50.43 | dc | pb_: okay, so that's all done. But my pixmaps still arn't getting resized :/ |
| 03:51.08 | pb_ | ah |
| 03:51.13 | dc | ah :} |
| 03:51.14 | dc | ? |
| 03:51.45 | pb_ | it seems to work for me. :-/ |
| 03:51.51 | dc | heh |
| 03:51.53 | dc | htm |
| 03:51.54 | dc | hrm |
| 03:52.16 | pb_ | oh, you mean aren't getting resized by zoom? |
| 03:52.22 | dc | yeah |
| 03:52.35 | pb_ | ah, that will need a small iconlist tweak I expect |
| 03:52.40 | dc | :) |
| 03:52.53 | dc | it's passing all the right pixbufs etc. |
| 03:53.08 | dc | and storing them in an ubercool hash :D |
| 03:53.09 | dc | hehe |
| 03:56.41 | pb_ | heh |
| 03:57.02 | dc | not good? |
| 03:57.16 | pb_ | well, try now |
| 03:57.23 | pb_ | updates to both gpeiconlist and gpe-filemanager |
| 03:57.32 | dc | sure |
| 03:58.36 | dc | wee |
| 03:58.54 | dc | well |
| 03:59.34 | pb_ | well. |
| 04:00.04 | dc | it just needs to do that thing it does when you resize the window. |
| 04:00.11 | dc | so it rearranges them properly |
| 04:00.15 | pb_ | ah yes |
| 04:00.17 | dc | :] |
| 04:00.21 | dc | the 'thing' |
| 04:00.21 | dc | hehe |
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| 04:04.23 | pb_ | ok, I added that thing |
| 04:05.09 | dc | yay |
| 04:05.37 | pb_ | looks quite cool actually |
| 04:05.41 | dc | hum |
| 04:05.54 | dc | authough it's resetting the zoom at somepoint. |
| 04:06.16 | pb_ | ah, are you still destroying the gpeiconlist when you refresh the view? |
| 04:06.26 | dc | yes..... |
| 04:06.35 | pb_ | that will inevitably cause it to lose all state |
| 04:06.42 | dc | oh... |
| 04:06.47 | dc | what else can I do? |
| 04:06.55 | dc | is there a way to clear the iconlist |
| 04:06.57 | pb_ | just clear the items out (with gpe_iconlist_clear) |
| 04:07.02 | dc | ah cool :) |
| 04:07.04 | pb_ | rather than destroying the whole thing |
| 04:11.49 | dc | wtf.. |
| 04:11.51 | dc | hrm |
| 04:12.48 | dc | it went mad |
| 04:12.54 | dc | and opened 50 gedits :/ |
| 04:12.59 | pb_ | hell! |
| 04:13.43 | dc | can I set iconsize on a running iconlist. |
| 04:13.52 | dc | and will it update the list automaticly |
| 04:14.00 | dc | or do I have to recreate it? |
| 04:14.21 | pb_ | you can set the iconsize at any time |
| 04:14.28 | pb_ | that's what the zoom function does now |
| 04:14.35 | dc | oooh |
| 04:14.36 | dc | cool |
| 04:15.10 | dc | oh I see, |
| 04:15.16 | dc | you've already done it :) |
| 04:16.20 | dc | how. |
| 04:16.25 | dc | it's going _really_ slow. |
| 04:16.39 | dc | lemme commit |
| 04:16.56 | pb_ | ok |
| 04:17.16 | pb_ | btw, I just uploaded a new gnome-vfs2 package. this one should actually be installable :-} |
| 04:17.22 | dc | ok |
| 04:17.56 | pb_ | wow, I see what you mean about slow |
| 04:18.01 | dc | yeah |
| 04:18.02 | dc | :( |
| 04:18.38 | dc | it used to show no spu on my box. |
| 04:18.41 | dc | now it's full |
| 04:18.57 | dc | you sure that clear function is alright? |
| 04:19.19 | dc | oh dear. |
| 04:19.21 | dc | it's not that |
| 04:19.30 | dc | I'm scared :{ |
| 04:19.57 | pb_ | heh |
| 04:20.13 | dc | :\ |
| 04:20.28 | dc | I'm not sure if it's gpe-filemanager.. |
| 04:20.40 | pb_ | me neither, at the moment |
| 04:20.44 | dc | I havn' changed much at all |
| 04:25.12 | pb_ | I think it's iconlist's fault. |
| 04:25.28 | dc | do we know what it is? |
| 04:26.50 | pb_ | is it any better now? |
| 04:28.19 | dc | hrm |
| 04:28.36 | dc | faste, yes. |
| 04:28.40 | dc | working, not quitw |
| 04:28.52 | pb_ | ah |
| 04:28.59 | pb_ | did you update gpe-filemanager too? |
| 04:29.11 | dc | oh |
| 04:29.31 | pb_ | I moved some code there from iconlist. |
| 04:29.43 | dc | heh |
| 04:29.46 | dc | segfault |
| 04:29.46 | dc | :/ |
| 04:29.54 | pb_ | wow |
| 04:29.59 | pigeon | Hmm... are all the gpe gtk1 apps still being updated/worked on? Or now those gtk2 ones are the main one focused? |
| 04:30.03 | dc | when I clicked on a dir. |
| 04:30.05 | dc | hrm |
| 04:30.11 | dc | sucl |
| 04:30.12 | pb_ | pigeon: I don't think anybody is still working on the gtk1 apps |
| 04:30.17 | pb_ | dc: indeed |
| 04:30.21 | dc | there's also this weird bold text stuff |
| 04:30.23 | pigeon | pb_: I see... ta. |
| 04:31.09 | dc | pb_: what if we diff between the last iconlist? |
| 04:31.13 | pb_ | dc: hmm, yes, I see the bold stuff |
| 04:31.17 | dc | it was working on a few seconds ago :/ |
| 04:31.48 | pb_ | dc: mmm |
| 04:33.11 | dc | :// |
| 04:33.13 | pb_ | dc: I think I kno what's wrong |
| 04:33.20 | dc | :D |
| 04:33.26 | pb_ | dc: it'll take a moment to fix though |
| 04:43.02 | dc | ouch :/ |
| 04:43.18 | dc | I know that would happen someday |
| 04:43.24 | pb_ | ouch :-( |
| 04:43.44 | dc | thank god i didn't hit my head. |
| 04:44.10 | pb_ | indeed, that could have been nasty. |
| 04:46.33 | pb_ | ok, update gpeiconlist.gob, see if that improves matters at all |
| 04:46.52 | pb_ | check you have the latest filemanager too, though I don't think I changed that very recently |
| 04:48.12 | dc | there was jow. |
| 04:48.16 | dc | joy.. |
| 04:48.24 | dc | untill it segfaulted :{ |
| 04:48.37 | pb_ | I can't make mine segfault. |
| 04:48.45 | pb_ | What do you do to cause that? |
| 04:49.25 | dc | my trying to open the folder /home/dctanner/Downloads/MPlayer-0.90pre6 |
| 04:49.41 | dc | or rather any folder in my Downloads |
| 04:49.45 | pb_ | hm |
| 04:49.52 | pb_ | can you get a backtrace? |
| 04:50.38 | dc | 0x4050c78e in g_type_check_instance_cast (type_instance=0x32373a72, |
| 04:50.38 | dc | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:50.38 | dc | 2636 if (type_instance->g_class) |
| 04:50.38 | dc | (gdb) bt |
| 04:50.38 | dc | #0 0x4050c78e in g_type_check_instance_cast (type_instance=0x32373a72, |
| 04:50.39 | dc | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:50.41 | dc | #1 0x40316aff in gdk_pixbuf_unref (pixbuf=0x32373a72) at gdk-pixbuf.c:113 |
| 04:50.57 | pb_ | ah |
| 04:51.03 | pb_ | what are the next few lines? |
| 04:51.14 | dc | that's all :/ |
| 04:51.36 | dc | when I do bt |
| 04:51.41 | pb_ | oh |
| 04:51.54 | pb_ | try building libgpewidget with DEBUG=yes |
| 04:52.25 | dc | it seems to be set to yes in the Makefile |
| 04:52.35 | pb_ | ah |
| 04:52.39 | pb_ | oh well, I think I see the bug anyway |
| 04:52.43 | dc | :) |
| 04:53.10 | pb_ | update gpeiconlist.gob, does that help? |
| 04:54.08 | dc | oh yay |
| 04:56.22 | dc | wait.. |
| 04:56.29 | dc | there is some zoom funkyness though |
| 04:57.02 | pb_ | ah |
| 04:57.16 | dc | you setting them to a deault size somwhere? |
| 04:57.24 | pb_ | don't think so |
| 04:57.31 | pb_ | what kind of funkiness are you seeing exactly? |
| 04:57.32 | dc | well.. |
| 04:57.39 | dc | wait I see |
| 04:58.06 | dc | hrm |
| 04:59.23 | dc | ah yay |
| 04:59.49 | pb_ | heh |
| 05:00.14 | dc | right. |
| 05:00.25 | dc | so are we ready for an iPAQ version ;D |
| 05:00.31 | pb_ | sure, I think so |
| 05:00.36 | dc | great! |
| 05:01.31 | pb_ | I'll build some packages for testing now. |
| 05:01.51 | pb_ | I guess we ought to get mibus to approve the iconlist changes before building them into a proper ipk. |
| 05:02.39 | dc | I spose |
| 05:02.48 | pb_ | you wanna send him a mail? |
| 05:03.17 | dc | eh I dunno. |
| 05:03.24 | dc | does appmgr need to be changed? |
| 05:03.32 | pb_ | I don't think so. |
| 05:03.52 | dc | I'll qrite him one in the morning |
| 05:03.58 | pb_ | ok, cool |
| 05:04.52 | pb_ | ok, ipkg install http://handhelds.org/~pb/testing/libgpewidget1_0.32a_arm.ipk |
| 05:05.48 | dc | right |
| 05:06.39 | pb_ | it'll take me a minute to build gpe-filemanager, I have to install gnome-vfs2 devel headers on my arm box |
| 05:07.11 | dc | sure thing! |
| 05:12.24 | dc | 276kB/s 37s |
| 05:12.29 | dc | strange.... |
| 05:12.45 | dc | my modem must have gone a bit over the top there |
| 05:12.50 | pb_ | heh |
| 05:13.48 | dc | oops |
| 05:13.54 | dc | build filemanager yet? |
| 05:13.57 | pb_ | yeah |
| 05:13.59 | dc | the Makefile needs to be changed |
| 05:14.03 | pb_ | ah |
| 05:14.07 | pb_ | what's wrong with it? |
| 05:14.14 | dc | nevermind |
| 05:14.22 | dc | I just wante d to remove the old .imie files |
| 05:14.28 | dc | .mime |
| 05:14.29 | pb_ | well, http://handhelds.org/~pb/testing/gpe-filemanager2_0.06a_arm.ipk |
| 05:14.34 | dc | no problem though |
| 05:15.00 | pb_ | oh dear |
| 05:15.05 | pb_ | some kind of bonobo problem here |
| 05:15.59 | dc | :[ |
| 05:16.13 | pb_ | poxy pkg-config causing trouble again |
| 05:16.27 | pb_ | if you do `pkg-config --libs gnome-vfs-2.0`, it sticks in -lbonobo-activation. |
| 05:16.50 | dc | hah |
| 05:17.57 | pb_ | hmm |
| 05:18.07 | pb_ | with that fixed, it just crashes immediately at startup. |
| 05:18.13 | pb_ | looks like some debugging is required. |
| 05:18.19 | pb_ | I think I might leave that until tomorrow now. |
| 05:18.24 | dc | it would seem |
| 05:18.54 | dc | very good idea. |
| 05:19.13 | dc | I'm at the brink of dieing of sleep deprivision |
| 05:19.18 | pb_ | heh |
| 05:19.24 | pb_ | well, that can't be good news. |
| 05:20.34 | pb_ | right |
| 05:20.37 | pb_ | bedtime for me then. |
| 05:20.55 | dc | me too |
| 05:20.55 | dc | ngith :) |
| 05:21.00 | pb_ | g'night. |
| 05:21.02 | dc | night |
| 05:21.02 | dc | damn lights.. |
| 05:21.07 | dc | can't even see my black kb. |
| 05:21.10 | pb_ | ha. |
| 05:21.14 | dc | yep..sleep. |
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| 13:39.04 | dc__ | morning :] |
| 14:07.53 | stargirl_ | morning dc__ |
| 14:23.41 | dc__ | stargirl_: ah, morning :) |
| 14:26.02 | dc__ | stargirl_: how's the dasher going? |
| 14:27.14 | stargirl_ | still not done anything since I last spoke to you -- have been working on various other (non-gpe) projects lately |
| 14:28.15 | dc__ | stargirl_: ah okay, are there any unstable ipkgs as yet? |
| 14:28.31 | stargirl_ | I uploaded a version a while ago |
| 14:28.39 | stargirl_ | there is a more recent version, but I've not uploaded it yet |
| 14:28.43 | stargirl_ | I need to do that today really |
| 14:28.48 | dc__ | please :) |
| 14:29.37 | stargirl_ | cool, will do it once I've managed to drink coffee and get out of bed :-) |
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| 14:30.04 | dc__ | stargirl_: hehe, good idea. |
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| 14:49.59 | pb_ | afternoon |
| 14:59.27 | dc__ | pb_: hey |
| 14:59.32 | dc__ | pb_: have a good sleep ;] |
| 14:59.51 | pb_ | dc__: hehe |
| 14:59.53 | pb_ | dc__: yes :-) |
| 15:00.07 | dc__ | good'o |
| 15:00.23 | dc__ | hope your ready for some more gpe-filemanager hacking then :) |
| 15:01.02 | pb_ | always! |
| 15:01.06 | dc__ | ah. |
| 15:01.07 | dc__ | brb. |
| 15:01.14 | dc__ | need to help move some furinature. |
| 15:01.22 | pb_ | aha. |
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| 15:39.15 | dctanner_ | okay! |
| 15:39.24 | dc_ | eek |
| 15:39.25 | dc_ | heh |
| 15:39.35 | dc_ | now, atleast my dads office is clean |
| 15:39.52 | dc_ | no one will have ever known there was a la party. |
| 15:39.59 | pb_ | hehe |
| 15:44.03 | pb_ | dc_: I checked in a small change to gpe-filemanager. You need to tell the hash table that it is dealing with strings for it to do anything useful in this case. |
| 15:44.21 | dc_ | ah, okay :} |
| 15:47.45 | pb_ | now to find out what's wrong with gnome-vfs. |
| 15:51.53 | dc_ | ah yes |
| 16:03.29 | dc_ | bugger. |
| 16:03.36 | dc_ | my iPAQ has run out of space :{ |
| 16:11.24 | dc_ | hum |
| 16:11.32 | dc_ | I think I may remove the refresh button |
| 16:11.41 | dc_ | to make some mrore space on the toolbar |
| 16:11.48 | pb_ | seems like a good plan. |
| 16:11.55 | pb_ | refresh doesn't really do anything very useful in a filemanager. |
| 16:12.12 | dc_ | quite, and it probly won't be used much on the iPAQ anyway |
| 16:14.19 | dc_ | oh yay |
| 16:14.27 | dc_ | I managed to make it segfault |
| 16:14.33 | pb_ | ah. |
| 16:14.35 | dc_ | ahh |
| 16:14.37 | pb_ | er, congratulations |
| 16:14.42 | dc_ | drwx------ 2 tanner popusers 4096 May 28 2002 tanner |
| 16:16.37 | dc_ | the culprit :] |
| 16:16.39 | dc_ | I think |
| 16:17.00 | pb_ | heh. |
| 16:18.36 | pb_ | did you send that mail to mibus, btw? |
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| 16:25.47 | dc_ | ah, lemme do so. |
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| 16:46.14 | pb_ | grrr |
| 16:59.18 | dc_ | oh dear. |
| 16:59.34 | dc_ | yes, I've just been pulping fruit actualy. |
| 16:59.51 | pb_ | ah, much more wholesome. |
| 16:59.58 | dc_ | terribly exciting |
| 17:00.12 | dc_ | carrot and apple juice :) |
| 17:00.20 | pb_ | aha :-) |
| 17:16.18 | pb_ | oh dear |
| 17:16.26 | pb_ | the new libc6 package seems to break gpe-filemanager |
| 17:16.29 | pb_ | and gpe-edit |
| 17:22.35 | dc_ | oh deat |
| 17:22.37 | dc_ | dear |
| 17:22.53 | pb_ | that's what I thought. |
| 17:23.16 | pb_ | for some reason, as soon as programs load the "error" icon, they try to allocate about 1400MB of memory and crash. |
| 17:24.04 | dc_ | oh my dear |
| 17:24.07 | dc_ | that sounds bad |
| 17:24.13 | pb_ | yes |
| 17:24.25 | pb_ | I suspect the errno changes are to blame. |
| 17:24.32 | pb_ | I'm going to back those out and see if anything improves. |
| 17:24.46 | dc_ | right'o |
| 17:25.11 | dc_ | I'm working on a gpe-filemanager prefs window |
| 17:26.19 | dc_ | pb_: is the gconf for gpe stuff working? |
| 17:33.17 | pb_ | dc_: xsettings is working, yeah |
| 17:33.22 | pb_ | and gpe-confd |
| 17:33.39 | pb_ | there is no GUI frontend for it yet, though |
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| 17:49.40 | pb_ | aha |
| 17:49.47 | pb_ | it looks like it was a problem with iconv, in fact. |
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| 17:59.51 | pb_ | mallum: ah hello |
| 18:00.01 | pb_ | mallum: do you have libfam0 packaged for familiar? |
| 18:01.47 | mallum | pb_: hey |
| 18:02.01 | mallum | pb_: no, decided against using it in the end |
| 18:02.09 | mallum | pb_: pretty big and all c++ |
| 18:02.26 | pb_ | ah ok |
| 18:02.35 | pb_ | it didn't look that big to me, only about 30K |
| 18:03.25 | mallum | mallum@ti:~$ du -h /usr/sbin/famd |
| 18:03.25 | mallum | 148K /usr/sbin/famd |
| 18:03.46 | pb_ | ah, is the daemon required? |
| 18:03.50 | pb_ | I was looking at just |
| 18:03.55 | pb_ | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 30600 Jul 19 02:24 /usr/lib/libfam.so.0.0.0 |
| 18:03.57 | pb_ | pb@chelsea:~/gpe/base.arm/gpe-filemanager$ dpkg -S /usr/lib/libfam.so.0.0.0 |
| 18:04.52 | mallum | yeah the lib is just a client for the daemon |
| 18:05.04 | pb_ | ah, I see, that's a shame |
| 18:05.26 | mallum | yeah I just hook strait into dnotify now |
| 18:06.01 | pb_ | right. |
| 18:08.18 | dctanner_ | hrmm |
| 18:08.33 | dctanner_ | is there a way to see what is accessing a device |
| 18:08.34 | dctanner_ | ? |
| 18:08.48 | mallum | dctanner_: yeah fuser /dev/whatever |
| 18:08.48 | dctanner_ | somethings got my cdrom drive held hostage |
| 18:09.13 | mallum | dctanner_: I think there are switches you can pass too |
| 18:10.32 | dctanner_ | ack |
| 18:10.34 | dctanner_ | hrm. |
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| 18:10.39 | dctanner_ | my cdrom still says it's busy. |
| 18:10.57 | dctanner_ | can I force unmount it/ |
| 18:15.10 | pb_ | don't think so. :-/ |
| 18:15.16 | dctanner_ | arck. |
| 18:15.19 | dctanner_ | hum food. |
| 18:15.23 | dctanner_ | reboot I guess then |
| 18:15.36 | mallum | dctanner_: try fuser -k /dev/cdrom |
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| 18:23.09 | mallum | pb_: did you here anything from mibus re the patch you needed adding for your bluetooth tool ? |
| 18:23.20 | pb_ | mallum: yes, he applied it |
| 18:24.04 | mallum | pb_: cool, is your bluetooth tool released thne ? |
| 18:24.17 | pb_ | not yet, but I guess I will try to make an ipkg shortly |
| 18:25.45 | mallum | pb_: coolio |
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| 18:43.10 | pb_ | dc__: ok, there is (finally!) a working gnome-vfs2 package in unstable. |
| 18:43.27 | pb_ | dc__: and a new (0.06b) gpe-filemanager in my testing directory that uses it |
| 18:43.54 | dc__ | wow.. |
| 18:44.01 | dc__ | horay :D |
| 18:47.01 | dc__ | oh dear, gpe-dasher is going painfully slow |
| 18:47.22 | pb_ | :-/ |
| 18:50.00 | dc__ | stargirl_: have you had aany such problems? |
| 18:52.13 | dc__ | pb_: gpe-filemanager2_0.06b still seems to be wanting libgnutls5 and libtasn1-0 |
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| 18:55.25 | pb_ | stupid X server crashed |
| 18:55.39 | dc__ | ah |
| 18:56.47 | pb_ | guess I should be using qt/e on my desktop, I've heard it's much more reliable. |
| 18:57.13 | mallum | pb_: what card do you have ? |
| 18:57.28 | pb_ | this darn nvidia |
| 18:57.33 | mallum | pb_: ah ... |
| 18:57.40 | mallum | pb_: with the binary drivers ? |
| 18:57.48 | pb_ | but the consuming-all-memory-and-then-crashing bug also afflicts my machine at the office, which uses a matrox |
| 18:58.12 | pb_ | in fact, if anything it's worse on the matrox, but that might just be because I have less RAM in that computer for it to use up. |
| 18:58.58 | dc__ | hehh |
| 18:59.08 | dc__ | I've never ever had any problem like that pb_ :/ |
| 18:59.15 | mallum | me niether |
| 18:59.25 | mallum | pb_: you must be running some really bad app |
| 18:59.35 | dc__ | yah |
| 18:59.40 | pb_ | guess so |
| 18:59.45 | pb_ | or some bad server version |
| 19:00.07 | dc__ | pb_: or it's probly just scaed of your 1337 skills. |
| 19:00.08 | mallum | :( not good |
| 19:00.24 | mallum | yeah, you is just too fast on the keyboard ;-) |
| 19:00.26 | dc__ | so it ujst freaks when you try to do anything |
| 19:00.32 | pb_ | heh |
| 19:00.44 | dc__ | hehe |
| 19:00.54 | mallum | pb_: what do you pass to rfcomm ( on ipaq ) to get it to connect to your mobile btw ? |
| 19:00.59 | pb_ | I guess the only app that seems likely to be causing it is evolution |
| 19:01.08 | dc__ | ah yeah |
| 19:01.10 | pb_ | mallum: just the address and channel |
| 19:01.12 | dc__ | heh |
| 19:01.12 | mallum | pb_: yeah I bet its that |
| 19:01.21 | dc__ | I get scared of my that a long time ago |
| 19:01.26 | dc__ | s/get/got |
| 19:02.14 | pb_ | well, I guess I could discontinue use of evo and try to find something else to read my mail with. |
| 19:02.24 | mallum | pb_: mutt ? |
| 19:02.31 | pb_ | mallum: I don't like mutt much |
| 19:02.46 | dc__ | squirrel mail! |
| 19:03.05 | pb_ | heh |
| 19:03.18 | dc__ | mallum: nice topic. hehe. |
| 19:03.23 | pb_ | gpe-mail :-} |
| 19:03.27 | mallum | dc__: ;-) |
| 19:03.36 | dc__ | hehe, yah pb_ |
| 19:03.48 | mallum | pb_: syphon ( or similar ), I put that on sids machine and it seemed ok |
| 19:03.55 | pb_ | mallum: I'll check it out |
| 19:04.04 | dc__ | oh. |
| 19:04.11 | dc__ | pb_: or balsa is good fun |
| 19:04.22 | dc__ | pb_: the new gtk2 version is cute. |
| 19:04.33 | mallum | pb_: when I run rfcomm, I get 'cant open RFCOMM control socket: No such file or directory' :( |
| 19:04.49 | mallum | Im sure it worked before ... |
| 19:04.52 | pb_ | weird. |
| 19:05.05 | pb_ | dc__: ah right |
| 19:07.53 | pb_ | hmm, doesn't look like balsa can do IMAP with TLS. |
| 19:08.56 | pb_ | it does seem quite cute though. |
| 19:09.10 | dc__ | :] |
| 19:09.37 | dc__ | my problem is with IMAP downloading all the headers is even a lenghy process on my modem :{ |
| 19:09.49 | pb_ | yeah :-/ |
| 19:10.31 | pb_ | it's normally not so bad for me with the cable connection here, but if I want to read mail over gsm data it can be extraordinarily painful. |
| 19:10.37 | mallum | arg bluetooth is sooooo dum |
| 19:12.17 | dc__ | okay.. |
| 19:12.27 | dc__ | lengthy email sent to miibus. |
| 19:12.31 | pb_ | heh |
| 19:12.33 | pb_ | cool |
| 19:12.39 | dc__ | hopefully he won't be bothered to read it all. |
| 19:12.44 | pb_ | :-) |
| 19:12.55 | dc__ | and just reaply with a 'yes' |
| 19:13.52 | dc__ | so, eh, where do I want to be looking for advice on using gpe-confd? |
| 19:14.03 | pb_ | hmm, good question. |
| 19:14.09 | pb_ | there might be some stuff in the wiki, I'm not sure. |
| 19:14.21 | dc__ | quite |
| 19:15.56 | pb_ | well, sylpheed seems quite nice as well. |
| 19:16.43 | pb_ | except that the UI stops responding whenever it's talking to the server. |
| 19:18.52 | dc__ | heh |
| 19:19.15 | pb_ | oh, and it seems not to actually be doing TLS even though I selected that in the preferences. |
| 19:22.21 | pb_ | ah no, I was maligning it there, TLS is working after all :-) |
| 19:22.31 | mallum | I dont suppose anyone has as yet made packages with .desktop files as yet ? |
| 19:24.52 | pb_ | I think there are a few now. |
| 19:28.32 | mallum | pb_: well I only see one, and thats figment :-( |
| 19:29.05 | pb_ | ah. |
| 19:31.49 | dc__ | hehe |
| 19:32.02 | dc__ | ackkk |
| 19:32.05 | dc__ | nooo space. |
| 19:32.11 | pb_ | hell. |
| 19:32.22 | dc__ | uberhell |
| 19:38.04 | dc__ | hrm |
| 19:38.11 | dc__ | wiki useless |
| 19:38.59 | pb_ | oh dear. |
| 19:39.09 | pb_ | is this still gpe-confd information you are looking for? |
| 19:39.26 | dc__ | well, rather info on using it. |
| 19:39.34 | dc__ | I guess I should rbe reading headers, |
| 19:39.58 | pb_ | take a look at the xsettings stuff in gpe-calendar as an example |
| 19:40.09 | pb_ | I think it has a couple of fairly simple options. |
| 19:40.33 | dc__ | ah cool |
| 19:42.23 | mallum | okey, I've uploaded the latest matchbox 0.4pre to my experimental directory - test if you want, but its pretty pointless until gpe gets with the times ;-) |
| 19:43.02 | dc__ | hehe |
| 19:43.40 | mallum | it'd be nice to get it into unstable ... |
| 19:44.20 | dc__ | mallum: ;] |
| 19:45.30 | pb_ | mallum: is there any reason not to just upload the new matchbox to unstable? |
| 19:45.53 | dc__ | pb_: he's tempting you |
| 19:46.40 | mallum | pb_: yeah sure, except the packages it 'depends' on dont yet exist ... ;-) |
| 19:48.54 | pb_ | dc__: maybe you could add some of the files mallum wants |
| 19:49.00 | dc__ | mallum: have you considered reformating the popup bubbles in the new mb? |
| 19:49.19 | dc__ | pb_: I don't have compilation facilities :/ |
| 19:49.33 | dc__ | mallum: you've made the .desktop fiels, right? |
| 19:49.35 | mallum | dc__: how do you mean ? |
| 19:49.42 | pb_ | dc__: you don't need to compile. just download the old ipk, ipkg-unbuild, copy the .desktop into place, update version number, ipkg-build. |
| 19:49.59 | mallum | dc__: yep, and afaik they are in gpe CVS |
| 19:50.04 | dc__ | oh okay, I guess. |
| 19:50.07 | dc__ | hehe |
| 19:50.13 | dc__ | guess it's upto me then :D |
| 19:50.32 | pb_ | dc__: most of the apps are not in releasable condition anyway, so compiling from source would be inappropriate even if you had the technology |
| 19:50.50 | dc__ | ah, right. |
| 19:51.07 | mallum | is ipkg-unbuild in ipkg cvs ? |
| 19:51.20 | pb_ | yes |
| 19:51.46 | mallum | dc__: okie then I'll do some too ... |
| 19:52.59 | mallum | these have .desktop files ; |
| 19:53.02 | mallum | ./base/gpe-calendar/gpe-calendar.desktop |
| 19:53.02 | mallum | ./base/gpe-contacts/gpe-contacts.desktop |
| 19:53.02 | mallum | ./base/gpe-soundbite/gpe-soundbite.desktop |
| 19:53.02 | mallum | ./base/gpe-todo/gpe-todo.desktop |
| 19:53.02 | mallum | ./base/gpe-edit/gpe-edit.desktop |
| 19:53.03 | mallum | ./base/gpe-nmf/gpe-nmf.desktop |
| 19:53.05 | mallum | ./base/gpe-filemanager/gpe-filemanager.desktop |
| 19:53.07 | mallum | ./base/gpe-gallery/gpe-gallery.desktop |
| 19:53.09 | mallum | ./games/gpe-tetris/gpe-tetris.desktop |
| 19:53.32 | dc__ | you start at the bottom |
| 19:53.36 | pb_ | it would appear that gpe-calendar, gpe-edit, olirc and (possibly) gpe-filemanager already ship the .desktops in their ipks. |
| 19:53.55 | pb_ | gpe-nmf and gpe-todo are definitely not compilable, so those ones will need to be repackaged from existing binaries. |
| 19:53.55 | dc__ | even easier then |
| 19:55.04 | pb_ | I'm not sure what the status is with the others. In most cases, just repackaging is likely to be the safest option. |
| 19:55.58 | dc__ | okay |
| 19:58.11 | mallum | dc__: okey I'll do tetris to gpe-edit |
| 19:58.24 | dc__ | right |
| 20:00.38 | mallum | I'll make the EXISTING_VERSION-1 ok ? |
| 20:01.08 | pb_ | adding -0.0.1 is traditional for binary nmu |
| 20:01.09 | dc__ | right |
| 20:01.38 | mallum | pb_: ok so gpe gallery become 0.5-0.0.1 ? |
| 20:01.50 | pb_ | yep, I guess so |
| 20:03.27 | mallum | http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/gpe-filemanager2_0.06_arm.ipk is newest filemanager ? |
| 20:04.26 | dc__ | I guess. |
| 20:04.41 | dc__ | but lets hope mibus will respond soon. |
| 20:06.07 | dc__ | mallum: hang. |
| 20:06.22 | dc__ | mallum: ah n/m |
| 20:06.24 | dc__ | my bad. |
| 20:09.30 | dc__ | gpe-contacts is done |
| 20:10.54 | dc__ | ah gpe-nmf needs a .dekstopfile |
| 20:11.18 | mallum | ok nmf, edit, gallery and filemanager done |
| 20:12.14 | dc__ | ah! |
| 20:12.17 | dc__ | beat me to nmf :} |
| 20:12.26 | mallum | ;-) |
| 20:13.29 | dc__ | contacts is in unstable now |
| 20:13.36 | dc__ | I'll do todo and soundbite |
| 20:13.55 | mallum | tetris done |
| 20:15.08 | mallum | ha, I cleaned out all my dummy desktop files and mbmenu and desktop updated fine ;-) |
| 20:15.12 | dc__ | gpe-todo done |
| 20:15.12 | mallum | dnotify rules ! |
| 20:15.39 | dc__ | l33t |
| 20:15.51 | PaxAnima | what's dnotify? |
| 20:17.07 | mallum | kernel thingy to get signaled when a request file/dir is changed |
| 20:17.41 | PaxAnima | oh |
| 20:17.47 | dc__ | mallum: what did you put in your gpe-nmf .desktop? |
| 20:18.29 | mallum | whatever was in cvs |
| 20:18.35 | dc__ | oh. |
| 20:19.44 | dc__ | mallum: oh okay, then what did you put for Categories? |
| 20:21.25 | dc__ | mallum: there doesn't seem to be any .desktop file for gpe-nmf in cvs? |
| 20:21.38 | mallum | Categories=Application;Utility;AudioVideo;GPE |
| 20:21.51 | dc__ | ah cool |
| 20:23.11 | mallum | Beware the actual menu structure etc is in flux in current matchbox |
| 20:23.21 | mallum | not everythings gonna be perfect / logical ;-) |
| 20:24.05 | dc__ | mallum: I can put more than one [Desktop Entry] in a .desktop file, right? |
| 20:25.12 | mallum | dc__: I dont think that will work |
| 20:30.33 | mallum | ha, Im upgrading and icons are popping up on the desktop ;-) |
| 20:35.37 | mallum | is there some conflict between sqllite and libsqlite packages ? |
| 20:35.37 | PaxAnima | is the xstroke/glibc2.3 bug fixed yet? |
| 20:35.44 | mallum | PaxAnima: yes , works for me now |
| 20:35.58 | pb_ | mallum: shouldn't be |
| 20:36.06 | PaxAnima | ok.. maybe I'll dare an upgrade to unstable... |
| 20:36.20 | pb_ | mallum: sqlite depends on libsqlite0 |
| 20:36.24 | mallum | pb_: they both want to install libsqllite.so :( |
| 20:36.42 | pb_ | mallum: are you upgrading from a really old version? |
| 20:36.57 | mallum | pb_: could be ... |
| 20:37.09 | pb_ | mallum: try removing sqlite, then reinstalling it |
| 20:37.22 | mallum | pb_: okie |
| 20:37.36 | pb_ | mallum: sqlite did ship /usr/lib/libsqlite.so.0 at one point (up to about 4 months back I guess) |
| 20:41.43 | mallum | hmm, gpe-todo seems like the only remaining one .. |
| 20:43.05 | mallum | dc__: did you do todo, or you want me todo it ? |
| 20:43.39 | *** join/#gpe dctanner_ (~dctanner@62.60.121.52) |
| 20:45.06 | mallum | dctanner_: or dc__ ? |
| 20:47.20 | dctanner_ | heh |
| 20:47.21 | dctanner_ | yes. |
| 20:47.24 | dctanner_ | I'll do it :) |
| 20:48.08 | pb_ | dctanner_: I checked in a small change to the gpe-todo .desktop recently, you might wanna make sure you are using the latest. |
| 20:50.13 | dctanner_ | okay |
| 20:50.15 | dctanner_ | hum |
| 20:50.22 | dctanner_ | install -m 644 $(PACKAGE).desktop $(DESTDIR)$(PREFIX)/share/applications/$(PACKAGE) |
| 20:50.38 | dctanner_ | that's not keeping the .desktop is it? |
| 20:51.43 | pb_ | looks like you're right. |
| 20:59.24 | dctanner_ | is that alright... |
| 20:59.34 | dctanner_ | (note taken from gpe-calendar) |
| 21:08.14 | mallum | dctanner_: gpe-gallery & filemanager no longer run for me .. I get a faile to allocate XXXXXXX bytes :( |
| 21:09.05 | PaxAnima | is this baaaad: pkg_run_script: `/usr/lib/ipkg/info/libgtk2.0-0.postinst configure' failed: Ille |
| 21:09.21 | PaxAnima | gal seek. |
| 21:11.10 | pb_ | dctanner_: I dunno if the filename is important. If gpe-calendar is doing that, chances are most of the other makefiles are too -- I would have pasted the same text into all of them. |
| 21:17.44 | dctanner_ | mallum: I have that too, I think it's pb_'s doings ;} |
| 21:18.11 | dctanner_ | pb_: did you get any further with that problem> |
| 21:20.15 | dctanner_ | so, gpe-soundbite is uploaded. |
| 21:20.20 | dctanner_ | todo just left then? |
| 21:29.33 | pb_ | dctanner_: which problem? |
| 21:34.59 | mallum | dctanner_: yeah I think so .. |
| 21:35.33 | mallum | dctanner_: then grab the matchbox from my experimental dir .. |
| 21:37.28 | dctanner_ | pb_: the iconv or something one? |
| 21:40.45 | dctanner_ | mallum: sure thing! |
| 21:44.29 | dctanner_ | pb_: yeah, so I alos have the new gpe-filemanager, but still have the failed to allocate 35651584 bytes of nonexistant memory error ;/ |
| 21:48.10 | dctanner_ | mallum: oooooooh |
| 21:48.14 | dctanner_ | matchbox ownz me |
| 21:48.37 | pb_ | dctanner_: oh right, yeah, that one |
| 21:48.53 | pb_ | dctanner_: yeah, seems the old iconv modules from glibc 2.2.5 don't work so well with 2.3.1. |
| 21:49.05 | dctanner_ | pb_: ah, okay. |
| 21:49.19 | pb_ | dctanner_: I need to package the latest gconv-*. |
| 21:49.20 | dctanner_ | pb_: can that be fixed :] |
| 21:49.25 | dctanner_ | pb_: ah okay. |
| 21:49.33 | pb_ | dctanner_: sure, but it will take a short while |
| 21:49.48 | pb_ | dctanner_: meantime, you might be able to just remove the offending iconv module |
| 21:49.59 | dctanner_ | pb_: ah cool, no problem |
| 21:50.16 | pb_ | dctanner_: or copy the ISO8859-1.so from handhelds.org/~pb/testing/ into the appropriate place. |
| 21:51.12 | pb_ | dctanner_: I will try to do the new packages in the next couple of hours. |
| 21:51.12 | dctanner_ | cool |
| 21:51.19 | dctanner_ | cool'o |
| 21:51.25 | dctanner_ | mallum: woow, that menu :) |
| 21:53.05 | mallum | dctanner_: yeah it looks nice eh ;-) |
| 21:53.43 | mallum | dctanner_: if you start gpe apps now from the menu/desktop you should get a busy cursor whilst they start |
| 21:55.24 | dctanner_ | mallum: or a busy cursor that doesn't go away when they crash ;) |
| 21:56.17 | mallum | dc_: yeah, it does eventually |
| 21:56.24 | dc_ | I want wait to show some lifeless kde users your ultimate menu. |
| 21:56.31 | dc_ | mallum: ah good ;} |
| 21:56.45 | dc_ | love the new icons to. |
| 21:56.54 | mallum | yeah looks alot better |
| 21:56.54 | dc_ | login, terminal etc. |
| 21:57.56 | dc_ | hum |
| 21:58.19 | dc_ | and you know, it closes the menu when there are no items for a section mallum? |
| 21:58.25 | mallum | dc_: Im watching 'I love toys...' |
| 21:58.31 | mallum | dc_: yeah |
| 21:58.36 | dc_ | mallum: good? |
| 21:58.43 | mallum | dc_: yeah is quite cool |
| 21:58.56 | mallum | dc_: mbmenu still needs a bit of work |
| 21:59.15 | mallum | dc_: it crashes if the menu is too big for the display :( highlights are gone etc .. |
| 21:59.23 | dc_ | ah |
| 21:59.23 | dc_ | heh. |
| 21:59.35 | dc_ | mallum: but defently, the alpha was well worth that! |
| 21:59.50 | mallum | dc_: yeah, is still fast too |
| 22:00.09 | mallum | dc_: Im glad you like it ;-) |
| 22:00.18 | dc_ | :D |
| 22:01.30 | dc_ | oh dear. |
| 22:01.42 | mallum | desktop crashed ? |
| 22:01.50 | dc_ | pb_: note; the image scaling mode that iconlist uses isn't good for scaling down. |
| 22:01.53 | dc_ | pb_: at all |
| 22:01.57 | dc_ | mallum: thanks god no. |
| 22:02.00 | dc_ | gpe-filemanager :/ |
| 22:02.12 | mallum | dc_: the desktop crashed for me once, Im not sure why |
| 22:03.36 | dc_ | oh. |
| 22:03.39 | dc_ | yay... |
| 22:03.39 | dc_ | :/ |
| 22:03.40 | mallum | pb_: have you tried it yet ? |
| 22:03.46 | dc_ | olirc managed to crash X> |
| 22:03.48 | dc_ | hum |
| 22:04.00 | mallum | dc_: is olirc gtk2 ? |
| 22:04.00 | dc_ | pb_: I may decide to do some ui work on olirc later tonight. |
| 22:04.05 | dc_ | yeah |
| 22:04.17 | mallum | dc_: does it have a dotdesktop ? |
| 22:04.18 | dc_ | I'll make it into gpe-irc soon. |
| 22:04.21 | dc_ | mallum: yes :) |
| 22:04.24 | dc_ | hehe |
| 22:04.26 | mallum | dc_: cool |
| 22:04.32 | mallum | dc_: I should make one for dillo |
| 22:04.50 | dc_ | mallum: most defently |
| 22:05.04 | mallum | dc_: okie I'll do that now |
| 22:06.04 | dc_ | mallum: can we add held moust menu browsing to the feature list? |
| 22:06.12 | dc_ | mallum: so I don't have to tab so much, hhe. |
| 22:06.56 | mallum | dc_: yeah I always found that a pain to use though on such a small display and touchscreen |
| 22:07.04 | dc_ | yah? |
| 22:07.09 | dc_ | ah, guess not hten. |
| 22:07.18 | mallum | dc_: yeah I used to hate that with the old gtk-menu |
| 22:07.28 | mallum | dc_: everything is too cramped |
| 22:10.22 | dc_ | bbl |
| 22:10.34 | mallum | dc_: okie dillo uploaded |
| 22:13.49 | *** join/#gpe ljp (~wind@tf0226.peakpeak.com) |
| 22:16.27 | mallum | dc_: gpe-edit seems to crash with that wierd memory allocation too |
| 22:17.04 | PaxAnima | is mbdesktop in the feed? |
| 22:20.12 | mallum | PaxAnima: no, its part of matchbox |
| 22:20.18 | ljp | anyone heard someone getting gpe on a zaurus? |
| 22:20.22 | PaxAnima | ah |
| 22:20.50 | mallum | PaxAnima: you need to download it from hh.org/~mallum/downloadables/experimental/ |
| 22:21.05 | PaxAnima | okei. 0.4pre-something? |
| 22:21.06 | mallum | hmm its appears gtk2.2 has been released :-) |
| 22:21.10 | mallum | PaxAnima: yep |
| 22:21.48 | PaxAnima | anything else I need? |
| 22:22.06 | mallum | PaxAnima: it has a few small deps it will pull in from unstable |
| 22:22.18 | PaxAnima | nice... I'll give it a go... |
| 22:22.24 | PaxAnima | I need to use nullxdm? |
| 22:22.37 | mallum | PaxAnima: no |
| 22:33.10 | mallum | hmm dillo now crashes will the wierd memory bug :(( |
| 22:35.11 | PaxAnima | mallum: 0.4pre works well, except that I don't have anything on the desktop.. any ipkgs in the unstable feed with .desktop files? |
| 22:35.30 | mallum | yeah do and upgrade |
| 22:36.08 | PaxAnima | ok. just kick my brothers ass in fifa first... ;) |
| 22:36.33 | mallum | hehe |
| 22:38.12 | pb_ | mallum: anything that uses gconv will suffer from the same bug |
| 22:40.07 | pb_ | ljp: no reason you couldn't run the familiar binaries on a Z. you just need to locate a suitable xserver. |
| 22:40.33 | pb_ | dc_: ui work on olirc would be very cool |
| 22:42.14 | ljp | well, some of the apps would need to be fixed for the z's devices.. like any audio apps :D |
| 22:42.42 | ljp | I'm guessing cause I havent spent any time in the gpe code yet |
| 22:43.55 | mallum | pb_: is there a fit on the way ? |
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| 22:44.07 | mallum | fix rather ;-) |
| 22:44.50 | mallum | hmm, although I chmod a+s /usr/bin/apm , as a user apm -s just drops me into the login screen - whilst it works if I run it as root |
| 22:53.20 | pb_ | mallum: yeah, or you can use the workaround I mentioned earlier |
| 22:53.39 | mallum | pb_: cool, thx |
| 22:53.44 | pb_ | mallum: mccarthy also reported problems with apm yesterday. Seems like a rather bizarre problem. |
| 22:53.57 | mallum | pb_: yeah very odd |
| 22:54.37 | mallum | pb_: Im kind of deciding wether or not to let matchbox do gpe-keyctls job ... |
| 22:54.45 | pb_ | what kernel are you using? it works ok for me with the latest from 2.4.19 feed. |
| 22:54.53 | mallum | pb_: and write a dockapp to control the backlight |
| 22:54.55 | pb_ | mallum: you mean keylaunch? |
| 22:54.59 | mallum | pb_: yeah |
| 22:55.10 | pb_ | mallum: what would be the benefit of having matchbox do that? |
| 22:55.39 | mallum | pb_: well less memory usage |
| 22:56.06 | mallum | pb_: + startup notification on bound apps |
| 22:56.38 | mallum | pb_: + better than xsi for running a single instance |
| 22:57.34 | mallum | pb_: + saner config |
| 22:57.49 | mallum | pb_: + more portable |
| 22:58.12 | pb_ | more portable? how so? |
| 22:59.10 | mallum | pb_: well IIRC keylaunch has ipaq specific stuff hardcoded |
| 22:59.38 | pb_ | oh, I didn't know that. what kind of thing? |
| 23:02.18 | mallum | pb_: I cant remeber |
| 23:02.31 | pb_ | ljp: unless the Z has a particularly wacked-out audio device I would expect esd to "just work". |
| 23:03.17 | dctanner_ | oh. |
| 23:03.26 | dctanner_ | office :} |
| 23:03.31 | ljp | heh.. wacked.. ya |
| 23:03.46 | ljp | all gpe audio is through esd? |
| 23:03.52 | pb_ | ljp: more or less |
| 23:04.22 | ljp | z's audio works fine for simple stuff, but can't do anything too creative with the devices |
| 23:04.42 | pb_ | ljp: that should be ok |
| 23:05.01 | ljp | yep |
| 23:05.04 | *** join/#gpe dc_ipaq (~dc@modem-222-42-60-62.vip.uk.com) |
| 23:05.10 | dctanner_ | heh |
| 23:05.13 | pb_ | that was quick. |
| 23:05.16 | dctanner_ | olirc crashed |
| 23:05.21 | pb_ | ah :-) |
| 23:05.25 | dctanner_ | when I tried to join the channel |
| 23:05.29 | dctanner_ | well.. |
| 23:05.31 | mallum | pb_: it seems the only ipaq specific thing is one of the startup scripts which turns off keyrepeat on each of the keys |
| 23:05.40 | dctanner_ | it has returned me to the login :/ |
| 23:05.43 | ljp | I really wish fastolfe was around to release that Xfree port he did to the z |
| 23:05.43 | dctanner_ | pb_: any idea? |
| 23:05.56 | pb_ | dctanner_: are you using the binary from the feed, or did you build from cvs? |
| 23:06.00 | pb_ | dctanner_: let me see if it crashes for me |
| 23:06.12 | dctanner_ | unstable. |
| 23:06.19 | pb_ | dctanner_: if you got dumped back at the login screen, that would suggest you might have suffered OOM or crashed the xserver. check dmesg for clues maybe |
| 23:06.38 | pb_ | mallum: oh yes, I remember moray mentioning that. |
| 23:07.01 | pb_ | mallum: there was a problem with some of the keys autorepeating, which made it impossible to distinguish "hold" events. |
| 23:07.05 | dctanner_ | anyway. |
| 23:07.06 | dctanner_ | bbl |
| 23:07.27 | mallum | pb_: yeah for the backlight thing ? |
| 23:07.40 | pb_ | mallum: yes, but more generally for any hold event. |
| 23:09.07 | ljp | there are a few things we do differently between the ipaq and the Z in opie - like some fb stuff, and alarm sounds |
| 23:09.39 | ljp | alarm sounds are done via the kernel driver for the buzzer device |
| 23:09.58 | pb_ | ljp: ok. I guess gpe-announce would need to be patched to use that device. |
| 23:10.16 | pb_ | ljp: I would expect the X server to conceal most of the fb differences. |
| 23:10.42 | ljp | hmm ya I guess. heh dont work much with X with opie |
| 23:11.04 | pb_ | ljp: yeah, I am surprised you haven't been excommunicated from opie just for joining this channel. |
| 23:11.12 | ljp | heheh naa |
| 23:11.33 | ljp | there's a few openzaurus users that want to see gpe on the zaurus also |
| 23:12.03 | ljp | ideally, it would be nice to be able to switch between the two. |
| 23:12.21 | pb_ | indeed. |
| 23:13.13 | ljp | I think there was a fix added to opie, but it used to leave the fb in a sorry state, and users couldnt easily switch between the two |
| 23:13.33 | ljp | x and opie, that is |
| 23:13.56 | mallum | pb_: hmmm, well I dont plan on adding any support for hold events |
| 23:14.01 | pb_ | ljp: I remember hearing that Opie didn't play properly with the virtual console routines - it just wrote over the current foreground console, rather than allocating one for itsel. |
| 23:14.13 | pb_ | ljp: maybe that has been fixed by now. |
| 23:15.01 | pb_ | mallum: ah. |
| 23:15.19 | mallum | pb_: I dont see that as a problem though ... its a pretty obscure feature |
| 23:15.30 | PaxAnima | mallum: just installed gpe-calendar2, and the desktop went blank :/ |
| 23:15.47 | mallum | PaxAnima: eek |
| 23:15.50 | pb_ | mallum: many people use that feature. |
| 23:16.02 | mallum | pb_: for the backlight ? |
| 23:16.09 | pb_ | mallum: yes. |
| 23:16.13 | mallum | pb_: I dont think you can define it for anything else |
| 23:16.25 | pb_ | mallum: yes, you can define it for anything you like. |
| 23:16.57 | mallum | pb_: yeah thats silly, totally unintuative. Id replace that with a dock app to control the backlight properly |
| 23:17.06 | PaxAnima | hmm.. maybe I'll upgrade psCalc with a .desktop file.... |
| 23:17.28 | PaxAnima | how is the menustructure with the .desktop files? |
| 23:18.04 | PaxAnima | and where do I find them? |
| 23:18.20 | pb_ | mallum: the current power button behaviour seems to be well liked by users. I think it would be a retrograde step to remove it. |
| 23:19.08 | mallum | PaxAnima: well its kind of in the air at the moment ;-) You just hint with the Catogaries key and the program displaying the menu decides |
| 23:19.20 | PaxAnima | ok |
| 23:19.54 | PaxAnima | mind if I call psCalc "Calculator" in the menu? |
| 23:20.43 | mallum | pb_: hmm, I dont really believe that, Im sure users would prefer a proper app to control the back light rather than pot luck wether your ipaq sleeps or turns its light off |
| 23:20.52 | mallum | pb_: its totally confusing for new users |
| 23:21.21 | mallum | pb_: IIRC it just copied from crappy pocketpc |
| 23:21.35 | pb_ | mallum: having a dock app in addition would obviously be a benefit, but I think existing users and those migrating from pocketpc would be upset if the feature was removed. |
| 23:21.54 | mallum | PaxAnima: sure, call it what you like |
| 23:22.26 | PaxAnima | mallum: how can I get the desktop back? |
| 23:22.36 | mallum | PaxAnima: oh it crashed ! ? |
| 23:22.58 | PaxAnima | well, the background is grey, so I'd guess so |
| 23:23.09 | mallum | PaxAnima: oh doh, how did it crash ? |
| 23:23.33 | PaxAnima | after the mentioned ipkg install gpe-calendar2 |
| 23:23.38 | mallum | PaxAnima: btw just do mbdesktop & from a term and it should reapear |
| 23:23.48 | PaxAnima | yup |
| 23:24.17 | mallum | PaxAnima: you may have to select it from the title dropdown a couple of times for it to appear ( known bug after a crash ) |
| 23:25.05 | PaxAnima | how would I make the calculator appear on the root of the desktop? |
| 23:25.24 | mallum | PaxAnima: I think mbdesktop needs to protect itself from recieving a dnotify signal in the middle of something critical ;-) |
| 23:25.35 | mallum | PaxAnima: add PIM to the categories |
| 23:25.41 | PaxAnima | ok |
| 23:26.20 | mallum | pb_: hmm, Im not sure if thats a strong reason for kepping unintuitive behaviour and ugly hacks in the code ... |
| 23:26.41 | pb_ | mallum: seems fairly compelling to me. |
| 23:28.10 | mallum | pb_: well its that vs the other advantages ... |
| 23:29.00 | pb_ | indeed. |
| 23:30.05 | PaxAnima | hm.. for icon-section, where does the icon have to be? |
| 23:30.39 | mallum | PaxAnima: you can specift an absolute path, or it will look in /usr/share/pixmaps |
| 23:31.05 | PaxAnima | ok |
| 23:34.34 | dctanner_ | ahh |
| 23:34.35 | dctanner_ | coffee.. |
| 23:35.46 | *** join/#gpe pb_\ipaq (~pb@pc2-cmbg4-3-cust239.cmbg.cable.ntl.com) |
| 23:35.56 | PaxAnima | yey! my .desktop file for psCalc works... ;) (but calendar and todo won't launch:/ |
| 23:36.29 | mallum | PaxAnima: you have to put http://handhelds.org/~pb/testing/ISO8859-1.so in /usr/lib/gconf/ |
| 23:36.39 | mallum | gconv rather |
| 23:36.40 | pb_ | dctanner_: hm, I seem to be able to join channels in olirc without crashing |
| 23:36.54 | PaxAnima | mallum: the loading cursor hanged :/ |
| 23:37.12 | mallum | PaxAnima: yeah it hangs around a bit too long ;-) |
| 23:37.31 | mallum | PaxAnima: for people running mozilla or openoffice on there ipaqs ... |
| 23:38.09 | PaxAnima | but a little calculator? |
| 23:38.30 | mallum | PaxAnima: oh you set startupnotification=true in your .desktop ? |
| 23:39.01 | PaxAnima | just copied the gpe-todo.desktop file.. |
| 23:39.19 | mallum | PaxAnima: unless your app is gtk2, remove that line, or set it to false |
| 23:39.19 | dctanner_ | pb_: play, let me run it from a term |
| 23:39.31 | PaxAnima | mallum: ok |
| 23:39.34 | pb_ | oh, has anybody tried mccarthy's gpe-calculator2? |
| 23:39.45 | pb_ | I just noticed he uploaded a package to unstable. |
| 23:40.23 | dctanner_ | let try it |
| 23:40.44 | pb_ | I'll add it to the gpe-apps task, and put his "lights out" game in gpe-games. |
| 23:40.56 | dctanner_ | :) |
| 23:41.02 | pb_ | anybody got anything else to add to the metapackages while I'm about it? |
| 23:41.37 | mallum | pb_: I've got a removal ;-) |
| 23:42.51 | *** join/#gpe mallum-ipaq (~mallum@pc-80-193-218-32-hw.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 23:43.13 | mallum-ipaq | ooh err |
| 23:43.30 | dctanner_ | :} |
| 23:43.39 | PaxAnima | hm.. gpe-calculator2 complains a lot about pango things, and got blank buttons |
| 23:43.59 | dc_ | PaxAnima: must be your system :/ |
| 23:44.01 | mallum-ipaq | the irc icon is nice ;-) |
| 23:44.17 | pb_ | heh |
| 23:44.30 | dc_ | gpe-calculator2 is quite cute. |
| 23:44.38 | pb_ | yeah, it does seem rather neat |
| 23:44.47 | pb_ | I will have to see if I can borrow any code for minicalc. |
| 23:44.59 | PaxAnima | hmm... /etc/pango/pango.modules is missing.... |
| 23:45.32 | pb_ | dc_: the "File" menu is a bit of a waste of space though. |
| 23:45.41 | dc_ | pb_: well, it might make sense to just make mimicalc the same, minus all the scientific buttons. |
| 23:45.46 | dc_ | pb_: quite. |
| 23:46.01 | dc_ | oooh damn |
| 23:46.07 | dc_ | I wanna goto fosdem |
| 23:46.08 | dc_ | :} |
| 23:47.26 | pb_ | dc_: I'm not sure that gpe-calculator2 has as much precision as minicalc in its calculations. |
| 23:47.46 | pb_ | dc_: but in principle yes, making minicalc just a cut-down version of the big calc seems like a reasonable idea. |
| 23:48.35 | dc_ | pb_: quite, I was focusing more on the nice big numver display |
| 23:48.36 | dc_ | hrm |
| 23:49.47 | dc_ | so olirc crashes when it's run form mbdesktop, but not when run in the terminal. |
| 23:49.47 | dc_ | heh |
| 23:49.54 | mallum | dc_: will your folks let you go ? |
| 23:50.06 | pb_ | dc_: ha. |
| 23:50.12 | mallum | dc_: its probably startup notification |
| 23:50.20 | mallum | dc_: casuing it to crash |
| 23:50.23 | dc_ | dunno, my dad might be interested in coming |
| 23:50.36 | dc_ | maybe I'll have to have a talk to him |
| 23:50.39 | mallum | dc_: I think we need to try it with gtk2.2 full |
| 23:50.46 | dc_ | right |
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| 23:51.26 | dc_ipaq | hrm |
| 23:51.26 | mallum | dc_: with gtk 2.1.2 ( on the ipaq ), it was the first release with startup notification built it and I think its pretty rough around the edges |
| 23:51.35 | dc_ipaq | a bit cramped |
| 23:52.04 | pb_ | dc_ipaq: I was wondering about ditching the "Topic" line in olirc. |
| 23:52.05 | dc_ | mallum: ah I see. |
| 23:52.06 | dc_ | mallum: well, atleast we don't have to worry about olirc itself. |
| 23:52.30 | dc_ipaq | pb_:maybe |
| 23:52.48 | dc_ipaq | maybe wee can add auto nu |
| 23:53.10 | dc_ipaq | nick completion |
| 23:53.15 | mallum | dc_: I could be doing something wrong with the startup notfication .. but its pretty simple |
| 23:53.18 | dc_ | oh dear..I have lag... |
| 23:53.20 | pb_ | dc_ipaq: yeah, that would be cool |
| 23:53.50 | dc_ | but first up is the ui |
| 23:53.54 | dc_ | and especialy config. |
| 23:54.02 | pb_ | right. |
| 23:54.59 | dc_ | oh dear. |
| 23:55.02 | dc_ | configure... |
| 23:55.08 | mallum | pb_: Im thinking maybe with these 0.4pre releases I'll make future ones conflict with keylaunch and see how people get on with it ( I'll write a backlight control first ) |
| 23:55.16 | dc_ | pb_: can we make a gpe style Makefile for olirc? |
| 23:55.26 | pb_ | mallum: please don't make it conflict with keylaunch. |
| 23:55.39 | dc_ | hehe |
| 23:55.48 | mallum | pb_: MUHAHAHAHA |
| 23:56.09 | mallum | ;-) |
| 23:56.26 | pb_ | mallum: or I will be forced to make the next libc6 upload conflict with matchbox |
| 23:56.34 | dc_ | oh dear! |
| 23:56.43 | dc_ | mallum: I'd do what he says |
| 23:57.04 | mallum | pb_: but I'll just download that and link my matchbox builds against it |
| 23:57.08 | mallum | ;-) |
| 23:57.16 | dc_ | hehe |
| 23:57.32 | pb_ | ah, damn. |
| 23:57.36 | dc_ | mallum: I think you should defently consider a minivol style thing for light. |
| 23:57.55 | mallum | pb_: hmm, maybe I just disable the gpe-keylaunch startup scripts on my postinst and tell the user thats what the package is doing |
| 23:57.59 | dc_ | pb_: olirc has an aufull lot of source files. |
| 23:58.00 | pb_ | dc_: yeah, expunging autotools from olirc would be a neat idea. you want to have a go at that? |
| 23:58.27 | dc_ | pb_: would it be silly if I was to start rearranging it in gpe-irc? |
| 23:58.30 | mallum | pb_: does that sound more acceptable ? |
| 23:58.33 | pb_ | mallum: I would rather you didn't do that either, to be honest. |
| 23:58.45 | dc_ | pb_: possibly slim it down.. :/ and rewrite the ui gpe style? |
| 23:59.06 | pb_ | mallum: can you provide another package that replaces: keylaunch and enables the stuff in matchbox? |
| 23:59.08 | mallum | pb_: ok what do you suggest then ? |
| 23:59.40 | PaxAnima | wee. psCalc in the unstable feed with .desktop file... kept the psCalc name, so it wouldn't conflict with mcarthy's gpe-calculator... |
| 23:59.50 | mallum | pb_: yeah I could do that |
| 23:59.54 | pb_ | mallum: it is almost never desirable for an upgrade of an existing package to arbitrarily start disabling functionality in other programs. You should only do that when the user actually asks for it. |
