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| 00:02.28 | tarvid | i wound up with a Palm VII - any hope for this artifact? |
| 00:10.13 | pb_ | spung: gosh, thanks |
| 00:11.49 | mallum | pb_: I 'fixed' tear offs |
| 00:12.01 | pb_ | mallum: ah right, what is the behaviour now? |
| 00:13.54 | mallum | pb_: like usual |
| 00:14.23 | pb_ | ok cool |
| 00:14.29 | mallum | pb_: they just get turned into a titless dialog |
| 00:14.49 | pb_ | right. |
| 00:14.54 | mallum | pb_: I cant seem to detect them well enough to stop them :( |
| 00:15.12 | mallum | pb_: but at least you can put them back again now |
| 00:15.48 | pb_ | oh well. I think having them work like normal is fine. If we really wanted to stop them I guess the way to do that would be to intercept the appropriate bit of gtk. |
| 00:16.35 | mallum | pb_: yeah, there are some focus issues with multiple dialogs I have to fix |
| 00:16.54 | pb_ | right |
| 00:19.01 | mallum | pb_: maybe not too bad actuall xpad seems to work ok now |
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| 00:19.15 | mallum | pb_: xpad would be a cool gpe prog with a few tweaks |
| 00:19.39 | PaxAnima | xpad? |
| 00:20.08 | mallum | pb_: http://xpad.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:20.54 | mallum | pb_: it may not even need any porting you could just launch it via a monolaunch dockapp |
| 00:21.42 | pb_ | mallum: yeah, very likely |
| 00:21.52 | PaxAnima | seems like a very simple app (apart from looking a bit configurable) |
| 00:22.18 | pb_ | mallum: I expect the debian binary would run if you want to try it. |
| 00:23.08 | pb_ | ipkg install http://www.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xpad/xpad_1.7-3_arm.deb is probably the right kind of rune. |
| 00:24.01 | mallum | pb_: yeah I am playing with it at the mo on xnest |
| 00:24.14 | pb_ | ah right |
| 00:24.27 | mallum | pb_: I may well grab the source and patch some more ipaq sensible defualts into it |
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| 13:19.33 | mallum | hey pb_ |
| 13:19.55 | pb_ | hi mallum |
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| 14:48.16 | mallum | pb_: hey |
| 14:49.33 | mallum | pb_: are you available tommorow evening for curry ? |
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| 15:21.46 | pb_ | mallum: sure, I think so |
| 15:25.00 | mallum | pb_: nils and florian and another gpe person are coming over to london ... |
| 15:25.18 | mallum | pb_: I said Id meet them tommorow evening liverpool st way for a brick lane curry |
| 15:29.55 | mallum | pb_: BTW screenshot for you :: http://www.handhelds.org/~mallum/mb04.png |
| 15:39.03 | pb_ | heh, looks neat. |
| 15:39.53 | pb_ | mallum: let me know what time you are meeting the kernel concepts guys and I will be there |
| 15:41.15 | mallum | pb_: okie, Im not sure what time yet - they are going to call me tommorow - will hopefully not be that late though |
| 15:41.27 | pb_ | mallum: righto |
| 15:42.46 | pb_ | mallum: it only takes 50 minutes to get to Kings Cross from here, so should be ok. |
| 15:45.29 | mallum | pb_: cool |
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| 17:13.28 | nomis | hi all. |
| 17:13.59 | nomis | anybody with gpe-on-zaurus experience here? |
| 17:14.30 | prpplague | nomis: gpe on zaurus is still kinda in the works |
| 17:14.50 | prpplague | nomis: i'm the one who did the openzaurus tiny-x stuff |
| 17:15.06 | prpplague | nomis: alot of the tiny-x stuff is still not complete |
| 17:15.27 | nomis | prpplague: I am prepared to deal with some hassle :-) |
| 17:15.59 | nomis | prpplague: Basically I had the idea to install a lot of software on a CF card and hack the Boot-Menu of the Zaurus to start from the CF card. |
| 17:16.09 | prpplague | nomis: my suggestion then is to get a copy of openzaurus buildroot and have fun |
| 17:16.39 | nomis | prpplague: Do you think it would be possible to keep the original zaurus rom alive? |
| 17:16.56 | prpplague | nomis: you might want to check the gpe mail list archive, there are a couple of other ppl who are interested in gpe on the z |
| 17:17.01 | prpplague | nomis: no |
| 17:17.28 | nomis | prpplague: Hmm, Ok. |
| 17:18.19 | prpplague | nomis: the sharp rom isn't flexible enough to support much change |
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| 17:19.47 | nomis | However, I am a newbie in that direction and might have weird ideas. |
| 17:21.55 | mallum | prpplague: I may get one of them sharp cl-700's with jap OS ... think it will be a pain to get tinyX running on it ? |
| 17:24.04 | prpplague | mallum: if you are using the sharp rom |
| 17:24.26 | prpplague | mallum: the tiny-x in OZ is pretty stable |
| 17:27.32 | mallum | prpplague: yeah this is that new sharp machine with the 640x840 display and keyboard |
| 17:27.38 | mallum | prpplague: its also xscale based |
| 17:27.49 | prpplague | mallum: right |
| 17:27.54 | mallum | prpplague: so Im guessing I wont be able to replace the kernel on it |
| 17:28.06 | prpplague | mallum: love the large display and nice qwerty kbd |
| 17:28.32 | prpplague | mallum: ya well, the c700 is almost identical to the sl-5600 |
| 17:28.49 | mallum | prpplague: ah cool, and does open zaraus run on that ? |
| 17:28.51 | prpplague | mallum: both include a function to reflash the fs and kernel |
| 17:29.22 | prpplague | mallum: sharp says it does, of course none of the OZ guys have one yet |
| 17:30.02 | mallum | prpplague: and one can assume that if I get a shell prompt in over serial or what ever , the prompt will be english and take 'normal' shell commands ? |
| 17:30.11 | prpplague | mallum: basically the only different in the sl-5500 and the 5600 is the 5600 is xscale, has a different ram to flash ratio and a bigger battery |
| 17:30.41 | prpplague | mallum: thats just it, the flash is done with a cf card and you hold a couple of buttons down on the keyboard |
| 17:31.17 | prpplague | mallum: takes about 3-4 minutes to flash and your ready |
| 17:31.36 | mallum | prpplague: cool, and can you back up the original ? |
| 17:35.26 | prpplague | mallum: sorta, sharp provides the rom images both on the web site and on cd that you get with the device |
| 17:35.45 | prpplague | mallum: you can put the image on a cf and re-flash with the sharp ron |
| 17:35.51 | prpplague | rom |
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| 17:39.50 | jsmanrique | hi! |
| 17:39.52 | darod | hello people |
| 17:40.04 | jsmanrique | mallum : are you there? |
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| 17:40.57 | darod | I have to make you a question, not exactly about GPE, is about Xstroke. I'm trying to make it work in my Debian, and I getting some problems |
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| 17:41.37 | jsmanrique | anybody here? |
| 17:41.42 | prpplague | no |
| 17:41.47 | jsmanrique | :-) |
| 17:41.50 | darod | :-) |
| 17:42.13 | mallum | jsmanrique: yep, whats up |
| 17:42.16 | jsmanrique | prpplague : hello anybody |
| 17:42.33 | mallum | darod: will it not compile ? |
| 17:42.45 | jsmanrique | mallum : darod has some questions about matchbox in PC |
| 17:42.49 | darod | I have installed de sid's package |
| 17:43.12 | mallum | darod: there crappy, you are better building it from source |
| 17:43.24 | jsmanrique | darod : I told you before ;-) |
| 17:43.28 | darod | well, I can run it, but I wasn't able to make it start to reconize strokes |
| 17:43.46 | darod | well, could it work, I would try to compile it now |
| 17:43.48 | mallum | darod: thats xstroke not matchbox |
| 17:43.58 | mallum | darod: Im the not author of xstroke |
| 17:44.15 | jsmanrique | darod : you should add stroke to mbdock, isn't it mallum? |
| 17:44.32 | mallum | jsmanrique: uh ? |
| 17:44.59 | jsmanrique | mallum : darod wants to have xstroke icon on mbdock, like appears on iPAQ |
| 17:45.08 | jsmanrique | mallum : but on his PC |
| 17:45.26 | jsmanrique | mallum : because no one wants to buy my iPAQ :-) |
| 17:45.53 | mallum | darod: grab the xstroke-mallum from http://handhelds.org/~mallum/downloadables/experimental that should dock ok |
| 17:47.24 | mallum | jsmanrique: why are you selling your ipaq ? |
| 17:48.06 | darod | mallum: he has two, one for send |
| 17:48.26 | jsmanrique | darod : really, three |
| 17:48.49 | darod | jsmanrique: ok, I believe you |
| 17:48.57 | jsmanrique | mallum : I am selling my ipaq3630, but I am keeping my h3130 and h3850 |
| 17:49.19 | jsmanrique | mallum : the idea is selling my h3630 to any of my LUG's friends |
| 17:49.28 | mallum | jsmanrique: you have 3 ipaps ! |
| 17:49.36 | jsmanrique | mallum : call me mad |
| 17:50.07 | jsmanrique | mallum : yes, and a Hp Jornada X25, HP Xpander and some old HP machines |
| 17:50.17 | jsmanrique | mallum : like HP 100LX and HP 200LX |
| 17:50.29 | mallum | jsmanrique: your a student , how do you afford then all ! |
| 17:50.41 | jsmanrique | mallum : stealing banks |
| 17:50.51 | jsmanrique | mallum : no, I work half a day |
| 17:50.58 | jsmanrique | mallum : no, I work half day |
| 17:51.07 | mallum | oh ok |
| 17:51.42 | jsmanrique | mallum : HP machines are presents from HP partner and oportunities from people that don't want them |
| 17:52.10 | jsmanrique | mallum : ipaq3130 was/is my reference machine for future development (Scientific Digital Assistant) |
| 17:52.44 | jsmanrique | mallum : ipaq3850 was sold from a boy at 300 Euros |
| 17:53.24 | jsmanrique | mallum : and last one (h3630) was bought to be sold to my LUG's friends after putting Familiar/GPE on it :-) |
| 17:54.55 | mallum | ok cool |
| 17:55.43 | jsmanrique | I would like to use a bit more my Jornada X25 but the USB doesn't work yet |
| 17:56.02 | jsmanrique | and pierre_ had bad experiences with his one |
| 17:56.30 | jsmanrique | my HP Xpander, is just what future SDA should looks like, more or less |
| 17:56.48 | jsmanrique | and HP100LX and HP200LX.. who wouldn't love them? |
| 18:02.19 | jsmanrique | here some photos of my omnigo 100: |
| 18:02.21 | jsmanrique | http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/og100/ |
| 18:03.24 | jsmanrique | it is a 1MB machine |
| 18:03.35 | jsmanrique | and has a lot of nice features |
| 18:06.00 | jsmanrique | so, I think this is art |
| 18:06.13 | jsmanrique | seeing what can a machine like this do |
| 18:06.24 | jsmanrique | http://nenya.ms.mff.cuni.cz/~gergic/ogo_page/omnigog.html#Other Applications and Utils available for Ogo |
| 18:08.21 | jsmanrique | I go back to our LUG channel, #asturlinux |
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| 18:42.40 | nomis | Ok, I have the X-Server from http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=591 running on my zaurus. However, there seems to be some confusion about the geometry of my screen. the origin is at the lower left edge (correct for a landscape 320x240 screen), but the calibration application opens a 240x320 window that is partially outside the screen. |
| 19:31.59 | nomis | fixed by using the startscript... |
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| 20:03.27 | benmeyer | Afternoon |
| 20:03.52 | PaxAnima | good evening |
| 20:04.21 | benmeyer | or morning, night etc depening upon your relation to the sun |
| 20:04.24 | pb_ | benmeyer: hi |
| 20:04.31 | benmeyer | .Anything new happing? |
| 20:06.30 | mallum | benmeyer: hey |
| 20:07.16 | pb_ | benmeyer: seems not. :-/ |
| 20:08.00 | mallum | benmeyer: cvs matchbox shot -> http://www.handhelds.org/~mallum/mb04.png |
| 20:08.16 | benmeyer | cool |
| 20:08.18 | benmeyer | kinda fuzzy |
| 20:09.24 | benmeyer | like a camera that is almost focused :-D |
| 20:09.48 | benmeyer | mallum: did you get the Z? |
| 20:09.48 | pb_ | :-) |
| 20:10.56 | mallum | benmeyer: thats cos its running in xnest, so no server side Xrender for the fonts |
| 20:15.21 | benmeyer | ah |
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| 20:29.46 | mallum | benmeyer: I think Im gonna get one of them c-700's |
| 20:30.05 | benmeyer | eh, wait till the us office puts it out |
| 20:30.13 | benmeyer | the battery life is 1-2 hours tops |
| 20:30.23 | benmeyer | the main reason it isn't out in the us now |
| 20:30.36 | benmeyer | http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/whoisben/gallery/photo.php?gallery=Other/Art%20Work/&file=IMAGE1.JPG |
| 20:30.38 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 20:30.44 | benmeyer | Finally got my art up online |
| 20:32.55 | mallum | :-) |
| 20:33.15 | mallum | benmeyer: doh is the battery life reallt that bad :( |
| 20:33.22 | benmeyer | yah it is |
| 20:33.28 | mallum | benmeyer: I guess its the larger screen |
| 20:33.35 | benmeyer | I have heard reports of 20 minutes with wifi |
| 20:33.42 | benmeyer | but havn't tested myself |
| 20:33.53 | benmeyer | the 640x480 screen is what eats it up |
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| 20:34.08 | mallum | are they coming out in US ? |
| 20:34.29 | benmeyer | in theory it would make sense one the battery problem was fixed |
| 20:35.48 | mallum | they look so nice |
| 20:36.12 | benmeyer | honestly I like the new palms |
| 20:36.19 | benmeyer | they are just so small! |
| 20:36.28 | benmeyer | and a battery life of 70+ hours... |
| 20:36.32 | benmeyer | course it runs palm.... |
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| 20:45.33 | dc__ | evening :) |
| 20:46.29 | prpplague | dc__: lo |
| 20:47.05 | dc__ | prpplague: hey, going good? |
| 20:48.30 | prpplague | dc__: trying to deal the sales mutants spreading vaporware like a virus |
| 20:48.43 | prpplague | s/deal/deal with |
| 20:48.53 | dc__ | oh dear. |
| 20:48.53 | dc__ | heh |
| 20:49.00 | mallum | hey dc__ |
| 20:49.08 | dc__ | hey'a mallum :) |
| 20:49.28 | mallum | dc__: mb with alpha blended dockapps + window icon -> http://www.handhelds.org/~mallum/mb04.png |
| 20:51.11 | dc__ | omfg. |
| 20:51.19 | dc__ | how beatufull :D |
| 20:51.28 | dc__ | beautifull :} |
| 20:51.34 | dc__ | or whatever. |
| 20:51.38 | dc__ | it's lovely. |
| 20:51.39 | dc__ | yay |
| 20:51.56 | mallum | hehe |
| 20:52.04 | mallum | I thought you'd like it ;-) |
| 20:52.22 | dc__ | now, that makes it look like a _real_ pros wm :} |
| 20:52.50 | dc__ | especialy that cool theme aswell |
| 20:53.12 | pb_ | dc__: evening :-) |
| 20:53.16 | dc__ | pb_: hey :) |
| 20:57.19 | spung | yay mallum |
| 20:57.20 | spung | :D |
| 20:57.22 | spung | nice! |
| 20:57.35 | mallum | dc__: heres another http://www.handhelds.org/~mallum/mb04-2.png |
| 20:57.45 | mallum | dc__: ignore the menu icon .... |
| 20:58.03 | dc__ | ooh, sweet :D |
| 20:58.14 | mallum | dc__: buts that new mbmenu with trans and alphablending of the icons to that |
| 20:58.19 | dc__ | and alpha :D |
| 20:58.21 | dc__ | yay |
| 20:58.22 | dc__ | how cool |
| 20:58.40 | dc__ | wow, magical! |
| 20:58.51 | dc__ | when can we get our new ipkgs ;D? |
| 20:59.53 | mallum | dc__: soon, hopefully get a pre1 out by xmas ... ( this week ) |
| 21:00.02 | dc__ | w00t |
| 21:00.05 | dc__ | mallum: very cool :) |
| 21:06.44 | mallum | dc__: I still have to rewrite minivol and miniwave |
| 21:06.57 | mallum | dc__: there are some bits to fix in the dock |
| 21:07.05 | mallum | dc__: and the menu |
| 21:07.14 | mallum | dc__: and then it'll be ipkgable |
| 21:07.33 | dc__ | great'o :D |
| 21:07.46 | mallum | dc__: we have to hassle pb to release gpe ipkg's with the .desktop files |
| 21:08.08 | dc__ | and hassle me to finish gpe-filemanager :] |
| 21:08.30 | dc__ | which I'll start once school finishes on thursday :} |
| 21:08.45 | mallum | dc__: cool |
| 21:10.26 | pb_ | spung: I think you were meant to wait until thursday to do that :-} |
| 21:10.29 | dc__ | spung: I hope gpe-today is finished :D |
| 21:11.13 | spung | dc__: well, we have to create libgpeeventdb and libgpetodo before that |
| 21:11.22 | pb_ | spung: did you hear back from florian? |
| 21:11.22 | spung | me and florian have been exchanging mails |
| 21:11.35 | dc__ | spung: better get cracking then! |
| 21:11.43 | spung | pb_: yes, he's porting todo's db to usqld |
| 21:11.47 | spung | which is pretty cool |
| 21:11.52 | pb_ | spung: right |
| 21:12.51 | nomis | Örks, why is there no ldconfig on Sharps default installation? |
| 21:18.06 | benmeyer | reboot ;-D |
| 21:18.07 | benmeyer | sorry |
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| 22:07.10 | pb_ | cmarqu: are you conscious? |
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| 22:44.03 | pb_ | mallum: doesn't seem to be having any effect. :-/ |
| 22:44.10 | pb_ | looks like he's out cold. |
| 23:05.16 | pb_ | ! |
| 23:08.10 | dctanner_ | so. |
| 23:08.23 | dctanner_ | I wonder how I can get a copy of the actualy signed postor. |
| 23:08.25 | dctanner_ | poster :} |
| 23:08.34 | pb_ | send mail to andy, I guess |
| 23:08.37 | pb_ | I'd quite like one too :-) |
| 23:08.44 | dctanner_ | yeah. |
| 23:08.54 | dctanner_ | I wonder where we could get them printed? |
| 23:09.10 | pb_ | I know some printers in Cambridge who can do that kind of thing |
| 23:09.26 | dctanner_ | ah cool, well I'd defently we willing to pay for a copy. |
| 23:09.43 | dctanner_ | would go nice on my currently blank wall |
| 23:10.11 | pb_ | ha. |
| 23:10.15 | dctanner_ | hum |
| 23:10.22 | pb_ | well, drop andy a line and see if he can do anything. |
| 23:10.24 | dctanner_ | you said florian did some gpe-contacts work? |
| 23:10.30 | pb_ | yeah. |
| 23:10.38 | dctanner_ | he seems to think you did it now ;[ |
| 23:10.39 | dctanner_ | ;] |
| 23:10.40 | dctanner_ | ;p |
| 23:10.41 | dctanner_ | hehe |
| 23:10.50 | pb_ | ! |
| 23:10.51 | dctanner_ | > I just saw the great work you've already done on gpe-contacts, great work :) |
| 23:10.51 | dctanner_ | Ehh, thanks... i think Phil did most of this :-) |
| 23:10.52 | dctanner_ | hehe |
| 23:10.58 | pb_ | heh |
| 23:11.01 | dctanner_ | heh |
| 23:11.03 | pb_ | clearly florian is too modest |
| 23:11.10 | dctanner_ | it would seem :) |
| 23:17.07 | dctanner_ | right. |
| 23:17.11 | dctanner_ | I'm off for sleep. |
| 23:17.18 | pb_ | night |
| 23:17.26 | dctanner_ | school is nearly over then...only a few more days, phew |
| 23:17.49 | dctanner_ | pb_, mallum: night :) |
