| 00:05.35 | *** join/#gpe dc__ (~dctanner@modem-242-48-60-62.vip.uk.com) |
| 00:05.42 | dc__ | morning :D |
| 00:05.44 | dc__ | pb_: :] |
| 00:05.46 | dc__ | mallum: :] |
| 00:05.49 | pb_ | dc__: yo |
| 00:08.51 | pb_ | dc__: heh |
| 00:09.02 | dc__ | :/ |
| 00:09.10 | dc__ | all my books need sorting out :] |
| 00:09.19 | pb_ | ah, that old problem. |
| 00:10.12 | dc__ | well, it must be just me who's strange, instead of my floor being covered in clothes, it's constantly covered in magazines and books. |
| 00:10.27 | pb_ | :-) |
| 00:15.46 | mallum | dc__: hey |
| 00:16.04 | mallum | dc__: I sent pb some .desktop files for various things |
| 00:16.22 | dc__ | mallum: oh. |
| 00:16.28 | dc__ | mallum: kde style ones? |
| 00:17.15 | mallum | dc__: yeah kde/gnome style |
| 00:18.00 | pb_ | ah, I guess I should check those in now |
| 00:20.28 | dc__ | right.. |
| 00:20.49 | mallum | pb_: I just made on for tetris, I guess it would be nice for dillo to have one too |
| 00:20.56 | pb_ | mallum: right. |
| 00:21.20 | mallum | pb_: I cant seem to see that in the dillo source though |
| 00:21.31 | mallum | gpe cvs rather |
| 00:21.39 | pb_ | mallum: dillo isn't a gpe application |
| 00:21.58 | mallum | pb_: you have the source though ? |
| 00:22.03 | pb_ | mallum: yes, but not in cvs |
| 00:22.12 | mallum | pb_: it only takes 5 seconds to make a .desktop file ;) |
| 00:23.09 | pb_ | ok, gpe-calendar.desktop is added |
| 00:23.16 | mallum | dc__: the dotdesktop spec mentions using it for mime types |
| 00:23.33 | dc__ | mallum: oooh, cool, what's it say? |
| 00:23.37 | mallum | pb_: cool, dont forget to fix the makefiles too :-) |
| 00:24.04 | pb_ | indeed. |
| 00:25.48 | mallum | dc__: hmm, I cant seem to get a connection to fredesktop.org :( |
| 00:31.04 | mallum | dc__: I just tried out gpe-gallery btw - v.nice |
| 00:31.30 | pb_ | mallum: right, I've checked in most of those files. |
| 00:32.14 | mallum | pb_: coolio |
| 00:32.46 | mallum | pb_: if you add anymore only set startupnotify=true for GTK2 apps |
| 00:33.01 | pb_ | mallum: all our apps are gtk2 :-) |
| 00:33.19 | mallum | pb_: cool |
| 00:33.47 | mallum | pb_: I shall make a libstartupnotify ipkg v.soon |
| 00:33.55 | pb_ | great. |
| 00:34.36 | dc__ | wow, I have this much space in my room :/ |
| 00:35.04 | pb_ | dc__: ha. |
| 00:39.56 | dc__ | yesss, lots of space to wiz my cair around... |
| 00:40.02 | pb_ | :-) |
| 00:40.57 | mallum | dc__: see the bottom of http://www.freedesktop.org/standards/desktop-entry-spec.html |
| 00:46.04 | dc__ | mallum: right! |
| 00:47.51 | dc__ | mallum: oh okay, so a .desktop can supply a MimeType..? |
| 00:47.59 | dc__ | oh. |
| 00:48.01 | dc__ | too low :] |
| 00:48.21 | mallum | dc__: ? |
| 00:49.16 | mallum | dc__: I think a .desktop can supply mimetypes for what the app it points at can open |
| 00:49.34 | mallum | dc__: so you can build a mapping from them |
| 00:50.30 | dc__ | right |
| 00:50.38 | dc__ | mallum: still then, if we do that... |
| 00:50.48 | dc__ | mallum: what do we do about storing the mime types...? |
| 00:51.40 | mallum | dc__: how do you mean store ? |
| 00:51.53 | dc__ | well, the icon etc. |
| 00:52.42 | mallum | dc__: you could still store them in the db I guess, you'd just grok any new .desktops installed |
| 00:53.46 | dc__ | yess.. |
| 00:55.16 | mallum | dc__: I guess you could just define an X-GPE-mime-icon key or summin ? |
| 00:56.45 | dc__ | hu |
| 00:56.48 | dc__ | how about. |
| 00:57.07 | dc__ | well, the kde method does make sense, as it's easier for new programs to add their own mime types. |
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| 00:58.02 | dc__ | maybe we could have the current [Mime Type] stuffs from my .mime files into the .desktop files, for every mime type the program can use. |
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| 00:58.28 | mallum | dc__: Im not sure I follow ...? |
| 00:58.45 | dc__ | so like gpe-nmf's .desktop file has the normal [Desktop Entry] then say 2 other [Mime Type]'s for ogg and mp3 |
| 00:58.56 | dc__ | mallum: which includes the mime name and icon... |
| 00:59.03 | dc__ | mallum: wait, lemme make an example. |
| 00:59.45 | mallum | dc__: wait I think I see |
| 01:00.27 | mallum | dc__: would you need a different icon for every mime type the file supported ? |
| 01:00.50 | mallum | dc__: hmm yeah maybe |
| 01:01.11 | pb_ | hmm, whoops. it seems that "ipkg install gpe2" doesn't actually get you the X server. :-/ |
| 01:01.27 | dc__ | [Desktop Entry] |
| 01:01.27 | dc__ | Type=Application |
| 01:01.27 | dc__ | Name=Foo |
| 01:01.27 | dc__ | Comment=I like rice |
| 01:01.27 | dc__ | Exec=foobar |
| 01:01.30 | dc__ | [Mime Type] |
| 01:01.32 | dc__ | Name=FooBar Image File |
| 01:01.34 | dc__ | Type=image/x-foobar |
| 01:01.38 | dc__ | Image=foobar-icon |
| 01:01.40 | dc__ | mallum: well, probly :/ |
| 01:01.44 | mallum | dc__: oh yeah postinst failed when I installed gallery - I didn't have update-mime |
| 01:01.53 | dc__ | mallum: ;/ |
| 01:01.57 | dc__ | mallum: heh |
| 01:02.41 | mallum | dc__: the desktop entrys specify MimeType, Patterns and defualtapp |
| 01:03.00 | mallum | dc__: all we need is something extra to connect icons right ? |
| 01:03.12 | dc__ | mallum: Right.. |
| 01:03.27 | dc__ | mallum: and the name... |
| 01:03.34 | dc__ | mallum: of the mime type; |
| 01:03.35 | dc__ | . |
| 01:04.59 | mallum | dc__: does the MimeType not give you that ? |
| 01:06.07 | mallum | dc__: oh no, I see - like a human readable name - MimeType=image/x-bmp -> Windows Bitmap File |
| 01:06.14 | dc__ | indeed.! |
| 01:08.08 | mallum | dc__: hmmm |
| 01:11.17 | mallum | dc__: do you think it could all get a bit messy if we stick everything in that .desktop file ? |
| 01:11.42 | dc__ | mallum: well, that's what I'm thinking |
| 01:12.32 | mallum | dc__: yeah, you could be right |
| 01:13.42 | mallum | doh doh doh |
| 01:14.24 | mallum | dc__: well I think I will sleep on it - time for bed now |
| 01:14.38 | dc__ | right |
| 01:14.54 | mallum | dc__: I think the xml way at freedesktop.org is overkill |
| 01:15.24 | mallum | dc__: and nobody seems to actually be using it |
| 01:15.34 | dc__ | yeah. |
| 01:15.40 | dc__ | it's difficult. |
| 01:16.11 | mallum | :( |
| 01:16.51 | mallum | well were getting there |
| 01:17.04 | mallum | I must sleep |
| 01:17.07 | mallum | gnight all |
| 01:17.10 | dc__ | mallum: do so :D |
| 01:18.08 | pb_ | hrm |
| 01:18.26 | dc__ | humm |
| 01:18.27 | dc__ | :] |
| 01:18.54 | pb_ | don't seem to be working so well at the moment. |
| 01:19.08 | pb_ | these poxy postinsts are screwing everything up. |
| 01:19.08 | dc__ | oh dear. |
| 01:19.08 | dc__ | :/ |
| 01:19.12 | dc__ | ahh |
| 01:20.42 | pb_ | and we need to figure out a way to set a decent theme as the default. |
| 01:21.30 | pb_ | btw, your gtk2-theme-angelistic has some dependency problems that stop it installing cleanly. |
| 01:21.36 | pb_ | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for gtk2-theme-angelistic: |
| 01:21.36 | pb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:21.48 | dc__ | oh yeah.. |
| 01:21.55 | dc__ | I'll remove them at some point :/ |
| 01:22.22 | pb_ | it might be easier to fix atk and pango, actually. |
| 01:22.55 | dc__ | hehe |
| 01:28.48 | pb_ | dc__: managed to make any better screenshots for jamey's poster? |
| 01:34.34 | dc__ | pb_: well, I put a gpe-fm one on scap :/ |
| 01:36.58 | pb_ | hm, I don't see any gpe-fm on scap. |
| 01:38.14 | dc__ | damn thing's probly already gone :/ |
| 01:38.21 | pb_ | darn. |
| 01:38.39 | dc__ | I'll have to make another later.. |
| 01:40.52 | pb_ | # ipkg update |
| 01:40.52 | pb_ | Segmentation fault |
| 01:40.54 | pb_ | gutted |
| 01:41.34 | dc__ | heh |
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| 02:22.48 | pb_ | dc__: btw, I uploaded a new gpe-edit2 with that utf8 stuff in. |
| 02:24.42 | dctanner_ | oh cool |
| 02:24.47 | dctanner_ | lemme try it out :/ |
| 02:24.54 | pb_ | it's version 0.10 |
| 02:25.02 | dctanner_ | well...I do have to do some more research on getting my iPAQ fully jap... |
| 02:28.36 | dctanner_ | pb_: right, hmm have you found any good resources on using jap with gnome? |
| 02:28.54 | dctanner_ | pb_: I've been finding it quite hard :/ |
| 02:29.12 | pb_ | dctanner_: not really, but it looks like it ought to be fairly straightforward. Which bits were you having trouble with? |
| 02:29.28 | pb_ | dctanner_: obviously you need an appropriate input method, which we don't really have on the ipaq at the moment. |
| 02:29.36 | dctanner_ | pb_: well, input methods are really my problem. |
| 02:29.39 | dctanner_ | pb_: indeed. |
| 02:29.41 | dctanner_ | heh |
| 02:29.56 | dctanner_ | pb_: I'm also trying to find one on the desktop too... |
| 02:30.29 | dctanner_ | since the input method has to be searching all the kanji characters while you type |
| 02:30.39 | pb_ | indeed. |
| 02:30.45 | pb_ | let me try to remember what the one in debian is called. |
| 02:31.03 | dctanner_ | indeed. |
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| 02:33.04 | pb_ | well, hmm. |
| 02:33.12 | pb_ | the japanese task has quite a lot of stuff in. |
| 02:33.14 | dctanner_ | lemme try getting gpe-edit to display a jap html document first... |
| 02:33.19 | dctanner_ | pb_: :/ |
| 02:33.34 | pb_ | it looks like there are several different input method implementations. |
| 02:34.05 | pb_ | however, most of them appear to be based on emacs. |
| 02:34.17 | dctanner_ | sounds like fun. |
| 02:34.28 | dctanner_ | pb_: what's it called, task-jap.? |
| 02:34.45 | pb_ | dctanner_: no, that's not how tasks work any more. |
| 02:34.55 | dctanner_ | oh. |
| 02:35.04 | pb_ | dctanner_: but see handhelds.org/~pb/japanese |
| 02:35.05 | dctanner_ | pb_: I guess I'm a bit behind then :/ |
| 02:35.53 | pb_ | dctanner_: it seems canna is the favoured input server. |
| 02:36.11 | dctanner_ | right... |
| 02:36.20 | dctanner_ | lets see.. |
| 02:38.53 | dctanner_ | pb_: oh, what locale setttings may I need to set before using gpe-edit with jap? |
| 02:39.27 | pb_ | dctanner_: if the text is in utf-8, any locale should be ok (but use the -u switch to gpe-edit). If it is in euc-jp you will need to set an appropriate locale. |
| 02:41.17 | dctanner_ | pb_: is there a command to find out what it's encoded in? |
| 02:41.28 | pb_ | dctanner_: "file" might be able to tell you. |
| 02:41.45 | dctanner_ | heh. |
| 02:41.46 | dctanner_ | no. |
| 02:41.47 | dctanner_ | :/ |
| 02:41.56 | pb_ | dctanner_: chances are it will be euc-jp. |
| 02:42.09 | dctanner_ | pb_: right, so then, what locales do I need to set..? |
| 02:42.19 | pb_ | dctanner_: try converting it: recode will almost certainly scream if you guessed the encoding wrong. |
| 02:42.34 | pb_ | recode EUC-JP..UTF-8 < infile > outfile |
| 02:44.35 | dctanner_ | just like that? |
| 02:44.36 | dctanner_ | hrm |
| 02:44.39 | pb_ | yes, just like that |
| 02:45.06 | dctanner_ | doesn't say anything. |
| 02:45.12 | pb_ | did it create the output file? |
| 02:45.18 | dctanner_ | recode EUC-JP..UTF-8 < ~/Scrap/desk.html > foo |
| 02:45.18 | dctanner_ | yes |
| 02:45.21 | dctanner_ | foo is there |
| 02:45.24 | pb_ | good-o |
| 02:45.34 | dctanner_ | ./gpe-edit -u foo |
| 02:45.38 | pb_ | indeed |
| 02:45.38 | dctanner_ | still gives garble |
| 02:45.54 | pb_ | ah. |
| 02:46.00 | pb_ | what kind of garble? |
| 02:46.12 | dctanner_ | $O$9$Y$FDs6!$7$F$$$k$s$@!#%!%$%k$d%W%m%0%i%`!"%G%#%l%/%H%j$N%)%k%@$J$s$+$r%G%9%/%H%W$K%I%i%0$7$F$3$l$k$7!"$=$&$7$?%"%$%F%`$r(B |
| 02:46.12 | dctanner_ | GNOME-$B=`5r$N%"%W%j%1!<%7%g%s$K%I%i%0$7$F!"A*$s$@%"%$%F%`$K$9$0%"%/%;%9$ |
| 02:46.16 | dctanner_ | that kind |
| 02:46.28 | pb_ | nasty. |
| 02:47.20 | pb_ | are you trying to do this on your desktop, or on the ipaq? |
| 02:48.22 | dctanner_ | desktop :/ |
| 02:48.26 | pb_ | ok |
| 02:48.51 | pb_ | there's also a possibility that the original file might have been in shifted-JIS, particularly if it came from a windows background. |
| 02:49.11 | pb_ | so, you could try recode SJIS..UTF8, see if that gives any better result. |
| 02:49.56 | pb_ | if all else fails, generate a ja_JP locale and set LANG to that, then run gpe-edit on the original file with no -u option. |
| 02:52.23 | dctanner_ | SJIS doesn't work :/ |
| 02:52.25 | dctanner_ | hum |
| 02:52.29 | pb_ | ok. |
| 02:52.34 | dctanner_ | well, the text is from the japanese gnome manual |
| 02:52.44 | pb_ | do you have a url for it? |
| 02:53.25 | dctanner_ | http://cruel.org/gnome/users-guide/desk.html |
| 02:53.38 | dctanner_ | it displays fine in my moz/galeon2 |
| 02:53.48 | pb_ | ok, lemme look |
| 02:54.14 | dctanner_ | hrm |
| 02:55.16 | pb_ | try recode ISO-2022-jp..UTF-8 ... |
| 02:56.01 | dctanner_ | right... |
| 02:56.12 | dctanner_ | now I think I've hit my gnome problem |
| 02:56.23 | pb_ | which gnome problem is that? |
| 02:56.24 | dctanner_ | it isn't finding the fonts....or something... |
| 02:56.33 | pb_ | ah. |
| 02:56.37 | pb_ | this is with gtk2? |
| 02:56.42 | dctanner_ | PRIVMSG #gpe :oh, can you even see that :] |
| 02:56.43 | dctanner_ | pb_: yes |
| 02:57.18 | pb_ | well, if galeon2 can see the fonts, so should everything else be able to. |
| 02:57.26 | pb_ | do you get an error? |
| 02:57.47 | dctanner_ | well, the mozilla engine can, but the galeon taskbar gives the same as gpe-edit |
| 02:57.55 | pb_ | ah. |
| 02:58.02 | pb_ | do you have japanese ttf fonts installed? |
| 02:58.20 | dctanner_ | maybe I lack the ttf ones... |
| 02:58.25 | dctanner_ | xfonts-intl-japanese yo uthink? |
| 02:58.34 | pb_ | no, those sound like bitmaps. |
| 02:58.41 | dctanner_ | heh |
| 02:58.43 | dctanner_ | ttf-* |
| 02:58.43 | dctanner_ | :] |
| 02:58.47 | pb_ | indeed |
| 02:59.08 | dctanner_ | right, downloading |
| 02:59.20 | pb_ | good-o |
| 02:59.50 | dctanner_ | bah, 8 whole minutesd. |
| 03:00.12 | pb_ | :-/ |
| 03:00.25 | pb_ | certainly not small files. |
| 03:00.36 | pb_ | which package are you actually installing? |
| 03:01.07 | dctanner_ | ttf-xtt-wadalab-gothic ttf-xtt-watanabe-mincho |
| 03:01.16 | dctanner_ | right ones? |
| 03:01.42 | pb_ | I'm actually using ttf-kochi-gothic, but I guess those should be ok. |
| 03:02.03 | dctanner_ | oh . |
| 03:02.13 | dctanner_ | heh, I have ttf-kochi-gothic installed. |
| 03:02.18 | pb_ | heh |
| 03:02.24 | dctanner_ | so it's not my fonts then |
| 03:02.40 | pb_ | does fc-list see it? |
| 03:04.34 | dctanner_ | fc-list? |
| 03:04.43 | pb_ | xft font listing utility |
| 03:04.47 | pb_ | it's part of fcpackage |
| 03:05.04 | pb_ | I'm not sure if Debian provides it though. :-/ |
| 03:05.09 | dctanner_ | indeed. |
| 03:05.12 | dctanner_ | it would seem |
| 03:05.17 | pb_ | lemme log into auric and find out |
| 03:05.37 | pb_ | nope, no fc-list |
| 03:05.38 | pb_ | darn |
| 03:06.18 | pb_ | do you get any warnings or errors in the terminal when you run gpe-edit? |
| 03:06.49 | dctanner_ | nothing at all |
| 03:07.10 | pb_ | right. |
| 03:07.45 | pb_ | what version of gtk and pango do you have? |
| 03:08.30 | dctanner_ | gtk+-2.0.6 |
| 03:08.43 | dctanner_ | pango-1.0.4 |
| 03:09.13 | pb_ | hmm, that's quite old. I have 2.1.2 and 1.1.2. I don't think it ought to matter too much, but you never know. |
| 03:09.24 | dctanner_ | :/ |
| 03:10.08 | pb_ | quite. |
| 03:10.54 | pb_ | you could try the LANG=ja_JP approach, just in case it's having trouble with utf8 for some reason. |
| 03:11.13 | dctanner_ | I was just reading, yes. |
| 03:11.30 | pb_ | You will need to recode the file into euc-jp for that. |
| 03:12.06 | dctanner_ | pb_: with recode? |
| 03:12.09 | pb_ | yep |
| 03:12.25 | dctanner_ | right, what's euc-jp called for recode? |
| 03:12.30 | pb_ | EUC-JP |
| 03:12.35 | dctanner_ | hrmmm |
| 03:13.08 | dctanner_ | so we are assuming that the html doc is in ISO-2022-jp? |
| 03:13.13 | pb_ | yes. |
| 03:13.40 | pb_ | it displays fine on my machine, and that is the encoding it mentions in its headers, so I am fairly confident in that assumption :-} |
| 03:15.26 | dctanner_ | GPE-ERROR: Invalid byte sequence in conversion input |
| 03:15.38 | dctanner_ | and $LANG is JA_jp |
| 03:15.41 | pb_ | ja_JP |
| 03:15.41 | dctanner_ | and I ran |
| 03:15.48 | pb_ | did you generate the ja_JP locale? |
| 03:15.58 | dctanner_ | :/ |
| 03:16.00 | dctanner_ | I lack. |
| 03:16.05 | pb_ | you need to add it to /etc/locale.gen and rerun locale-gen |
| 03:16.12 | dctanner_ | oh rihgt |
| 03:19.13 | dctanner_ | hum |
| 03:19.22 | dctanner_ | now it says it's generated it.... |
| 03:19.25 | pb_ | right |
| 03:19.51 | dctanner_ | but it sitll doesn't display right :/ |
| 03:20.02 | pb_ | ah. what's wrong with it now? |
| 03:20.11 | dctanner_ | sam |
| 03:20.14 | dctanner_ | e |
| 03:20.40 | pb_ | fwiw, mine looks like this: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.30952.png |
| 03:20.44 | dctanner_ | the text should be in EUC-JP |
| 03:20.56 | dctanner_ | :[ |
| 03:21.29 | pb_ | you set the charset to euc-jp in /etc/locale.gen? |
| 03:21.30 | dctanner_ | pb_: so, what exact steps did you take? |
| 03:21.41 | pb_ | dctanner_: well, that is on my ipaq using the utf-8 file. |
| 03:21.47 | dctanner_ | pb_: yes. |
| 03:21.52 | dctanner_ | ja_JP EUC-JP |
| 03:22.28 | pb_ | dctanner_: so, I did the recode step on the desktop, copied the file to the ipaq, ran gpe-edit -u, and that was all. |
| 03:22.32 | pb_ | dctanner_: looks ok. |
| 03:23.26 | dctanner_ | probly my gnome version then :/ |
| 03:23.37 | pb_ | seems likely. :-/ |
| 03:23.42 | pb_ | you wanna try on the ipaq? |
| 03:24.00 | dctanner_ | well, I think I lack space for fonts, no? |
| 03:24.03 | dctanner_ | oh... |
| 03:24.31 | pb_ | fonts need about 2.5-3MB on jffs2, or about 4MB in ramfs. |
| 03:24.40 | pb_ | you might be able to squeeze them in, I dunno. |
| 03:24.47 | dctanner_ | okay, maybe I could find that somewhere then |
| 03:25.04 | pb_ | you just need to copy the one .ttf file into /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/ttf or some such. |
| 03:25.43 | pb_ | or, you could upgrade your desktop to the latest versions of everything. |
| 03:26.00 | pb_ | I guess fcpackage and pango are probably the most important. |
| 03:26.51 | dctanner_ | iPAQ is probly easier. |
| 03:26.56 | dctanner_ | I have 3.3Meg left. |
| 03:27.16 | pb_ | right. |
| 03:27.49 | dctanner_ | ahhh |
| 03:27.53 | dctanner_ | new garnome out! |
| 03:27.59 | pb_ | heh |
| 03:28.06 | dctanner_ | I'll leave that on when I goto bed. |
| 03:28.12 | dctanner_ | then we can try it on the desktop. |
| 03:28.23 | dctanner_ | if we don't get it working on the iPAQ now :/ |
| 03:28.46 | pb_ | good plan |
| 03:35.19 | dctanner_ | ack |
| 03:35.22 | dctanner_ | 5.5Meg. |
| 03:35.26 | dctanner_ | ramfs time |
| 03:35.31 | pb_ | hell. |
| 03:36.38 | dctanner_ | so I just put that font on the iPAQ> |
| 03:36.43 | pb_ | yep. |
| 03:36.43 | dctanner_ | and try and open the file? |
| 03:36.57 | pb_ | exactly that. |
| 03:37.38 | dctanner_ | agg |
| 03:37.43 | dctanner_ | same is my desktop :/ |
| 03:37.46 | pb_ | argh |
| 03:37.50 | pb_ | with the utf8 file? |
| 03:37.55 | dctanner_ | oh wair. |
| 03:37.57 | pb_ | and you have gpe-edit 0.10? |
| 03:37.59 | dctanner_ | wait. |
| 03:38.59 | dctanner_ | yayyy |
| 03:39.03 | dctanner_ | it works... |
| 03:39.08 | pb_ | phew :-) |
| 03:39.12 | dctanner_ | I ehhh, forgot to convert it =P |
| 03:39.19 | pb_ | heh |
| 03:39.30 | dctanner_ | how coo. |
| 03:39.32 | dctanner_ | l |
| 03:39.45 | dctanner_ | I'll defently upgrade my desktop then |
| 03:39.52 | pb_ | indeed. |
| 03:43.16 | pb_ | so, you just need to sort out an input method and you should be in business. |
| 03:43.30 | dctanner_ | yep! |
| 03:43.42 | pb_ | unfortunately I suspect the kana-kanji dictionaries are likely to be quite large as well. |
| 03:44.29 | dctanner_ | I would suspect too |
| 03:45.37 | pb_ | some experimentation probably required. |
| 03:55.50 | pb_ | right |
| 03:57.06 | dctanner_ | ngiht |
| 03:57.14 | dctanner_ | me too |
| 03:57.14 | dctanner_ | :[ |
| 03:57.18 | dctanner_ | tired. |
| 03:57.30 | dctanner_ | pb_: thanks for helping getting that text working :) |
| 03:57.35 | pb_ | dctanner_: you're welcome |
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| 14:23.23 | florian | hi all |
| 14:26.16 | pb_ | hi florian |
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| 17:29.58 | pb_ | hi florian_ :-) |
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| 18:00.42 | pb_ | dc__: hey :-) |
| 18:00.54 | dc__ | pb_: hey! |
| 18:01.03 | dc__ | pb_: heh, been shopping all day :] |
| 18:01.08 | pb_ | ah fun |
| 18:01.16 | dc__ | yeah, not bad. |
| 18:01.37 | dc__ | got myself a new twin ballpoint/stylus pen :] |
| 18:01.47 | pb_ | excellent |
| 18:02.04 | dc__ | quite stylish :] |
| 18:02.25 | dc__ | heh, and all that only cost me 50 pounds :/ |
| 18:02.34 | dc__ | not too bad this year then. |
| 18:02.43 | pb_ | indeed. |
| 18:02.50 | pb_ | I haven't done any Christmas shopping yet. |
| 18:02.56 | dc__ | hehe. |
| 18:03.05 | dc__ | better not leave it _too_ late.. |
| 18:03.10 | dc__ | pb_: your day been alright? |
| 18:03.18 | pb_ | I usually end up doing most of it on the 24th :-/ |
| 18:03.23 | dc__ | hehe |
| 18:04.04 | dc__ | yay |
| 18:04.28 | pb_ | dc__: not too bad, though nothing very exciting. Just been attempting to stem a small flood that seems to be in progress in the cupboard under my stairs. |
| 18:04.32 | dc__ | now, time to pay of those debts! |
| 18:04.44 | dc__ | pb_: ohh dear. |
| 18:04.56 | pb_ | dc__: sounds cool |
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| 18:05.26 | pb_ | :-} |
| 18:05.29 | dc__ | oops/ |
| 18:05.41 | pb_ | heh |
| 18:05.43 | dc__ | my hands are cold ;p |
| 18:07.00 | dc__ | hrm .jsp is java server pages or something? |
| 18:07.05 | pb_ | yeah, I think so |
| 18:07.25 | dc__ | do they requite any comercial dev tools you think? |
| 18:07.33 | pb_ | I doubt it |
| 18:07.40 | dc__ | right. |
| 18:07.46 | dc__ | just wondering. |
| 18:07.50 | dc__ | never used them before :/ |
| 18:07.56 | pb_ | me neither |
| 18:08.03 | pb_ | java not really my thing. |
| 18:08.08 | dc__ | thank god, I hope I never have to |
| 18:08.11 | dc__ | pb_: yeah |
| 18:09.32 | pb_ | oh, and I sent mallum a patch for xkbd to add some new keys |
| 18:10.50 | dc__ | oooh? |
| 18:11.05 | pb_ | so you can enter accented character and the Euro sign now |
| 18:11.12 | dc__ | what fun |
| 18:11.13 | dc__ | :) |
| 18:11.33 | pb_ | heh |
| 18:11.42 | dc__ | pb_: mallum been and gone today already? |
| 18:11.52 | pb_ | dc__: haven't seen him yet |
| 18:12.06 | dc__ | probly shopping with sid ;/ |
| 18:12.07 | dc__ | hehe |
| 18:12.24 | pb_ | heh, probably |
| 18:13.11 | dc__ | pb_: well, with the mime stuff, I'm very inclined to believe that a mix of the .desktop specs and the .mime specs would work pretty well. |
| 18:13.24 | pb_ | yes, I think I agree |
| 18:13.30 | dc__ | as it means we can supply all the infomation the filemanager needs about mime types. |
| 18:13.35 | dc__ | as well as being neat. |
| 18:13.41 | pb_ | yup |
| 18:13.50 | dc__ | and as well as letting apps have their own customized mime types. |
| 18:14.15 | pb_ | yeah, that's certainly important |
| 18:14.25 | dc__ | and I suggest we also have a load of .mime files for the standard mime types, so developers can just copy the info from there. |
| 18:14.36 | pb_ | indeed |
| 18:14.53 | dc__ | pb_: so we don't get people setting the names differently like, 'JPEG Image File' in one place and 'JPG Image FIle' in another. |
| 18:14.59 | dc__ | pb_: if you get my drift. |
| 18:15.01 | dc__ | :) |
| 18:15.03 | pb_ | yes :-) |
| 18:15.22 | dc__ | cool, well, I'll present that to mallum when he arrives. |
| 18:15.27 | pb_ | sounds good |
| 18:15.49 | pb_ | btw, I uploaded a new gpe-bootsplash2 with a different image for gtk 2 |
| 18:15.50 | dc__ | then we can continue with gpe-conf-mime :) |
| 18:15.56 | pb_ | yes, indeed |
| 18:16.03 | dc__ | pb_: ooh, nice. lemme see. |
| 18:16.16 | pb_ | dc__: feel free to make a better picture if you like |
| 18:16.33 | dc__ | pb_: hehe, let me inspect it first =P |
| 18:16.40 | pb_ | heh |
| 18:16.51 | pb_ | it's version 0.1, may not be in Packages yet |
| 18:16.58 | dc__ | okay, |
| 18:18.13 | dc__ | and I think I'll put the .desktop handling stuff in the libdotdesktop |
| 18:18.19 | dc__ | instead of a libmime |
| 18:18.22 | pb_ | right |
| 18:18.29 | pb_ | seems like a reasonable plan |
| 18:18.39 | dc__ | and the dotdekstop functions can return, say, a list of programs, mime types, and a hash reference. |
| 18:18.49 | dc__ | how does that sound? |
| 18:18.56 | pb_ | sounds good to me |
| 18:19.08 | dc__ | right'o :)_ |
| 18:24.58 | pb_ | now |
| 18:25.18 | pb_ | I've finally succeeded in breaking back into my bluetooth access point. I wonder if I can make internet access actually work with it. |
| 18:25.25 | dc__ | oooh. |
| 18:25.28 | dc__ | sounds like fun. |
| 18:25.37 | dc__ | pb_: do the ap's offer better range? |
| 18:25.48 | dc__ | pb_: than bridging |
| 18:25.49 | pb_ | dc__: some do, though not this one. |
| 18:25.57 | dc__ | pb_: oh, how far then? |
| 18:26.05 | pb_ | dc__: it's a Siemens blue2net. very cheap, though not especially good. range is about 10-20 metres. |
| 18:26.27 | dc__ | oh okay. |
| 18:26.32 | dc__ | not _that_ bad then. |
| 18:26.32 | pb_ | dc__: I will have to invest in an 802.11b ap if I want better range. |
| 18:26.36 | dc__ | good enough for a room.. |
| 18:26.41 | dc__ | pb_: I see. |
| 18:26.59 | dc__ | pb_: are the pcmcia cards veyr power hungry? |
| 18:27.04 | pb_ | yeah. the bluetooth one is good enough for most places in the house, but it won't reach into the garden. |
| 18:27.17 | pb_ | dc__: fairly, yes. some are worse than others though. |
| 18:27.25 | pb_ | dc__: some of the modern CF 802.11b cards seem not to be too bad. |
| 18:27.32 | dc__ | ah. |
| 18:27.34 | dc__ | hrm.. |
| 18:27.36 | dc__ | ack. |
| 18:27.46 | dc__ | my iPAQ battery really sucks now. |
| 18:27.52 | pb_ | that's why the PCMCIA sleevs have an extra battery in. :-} |
| 18:27.59 | pb_ | dc__: new batteries aren't all that expensive |
| 18:28.01 | dc__ | when I take it out, it sometimes reads as low as 30% |
| 18:28.06 | dc__ | pb_: indeed. |
| 18:28.07 | pb_ | hell. |
| 18:28.21 | dc__ | pb_: I guess I could get one out of a pcmcia jacket :/ |
| 18:28.29 | dc__ | I think tanget did that a while ago. |
| 18:28.50 | pb_ | dc__: yeah, that's a thought. |
| 18:29.01 | pb_ | dc__: I think a replacement battery costs about $50 at foxconn. |
| 18:29.12 | dc__ | pb_: maybe if I do that, I can put the old one into the jacket, and then I'll even have the added coolness of being able to use pcmcia cards... |
| 18:29.26 | dc__ | pb_: oh, probly wiser, as I happen to have no pcmcia cards :} |
| 18:29.26 | pb_ | heh, indeed. |
| 18:29.34 | pb_ | :-) |
| 18:29.58 | pb_ | sounds like the jacket might be a foolhardy way to go then |
| 18:30.06 | dc__ | yes.. |
| 18:30.59 | pb_ | may as well wait and see if you get a 3800 for Christmas I suppose :-) |
| 18:31.12 | dc__ | pb_: ooh, oh, yes ;D |
| 18:31.21 | dc__ | hehe, I hope so. |
| 18:31.55 | pb_ | good idea! |
| 18:33.26 | dc__ | right then, let me make the most of the time I have now then, I have mocks all next week. |
| 18:33.33 | dc__ | so tomorrow it'll be revision day :/ |
| 18:33.34 | pb_ | hell! |
| 18:33.40 | dc__ | quite |
| 18:33.58 | pb_ | I thought mocks didn't usually happen til January |
| 18:34.10 | dc__ | I wish they did.. |
| 18:34.13 | pb_ | obviously not though :-/ |
| 18:34.19 | dc__ | but out school isn't quite so forgiving |
| 18:34.25 | dc__ | s/out/my |
| 18:34.33 | pb_ | so it seems |
| 18:35.35 | pb_ | aha |
| 18:35.38 | pb_ | Using interface ppp1 |
| 18:35.38 | pb_ | Connect: ppp1 <--> /dev/bluetooth/rfcomm/0 |
| 18:35.38 | pb_ | not replacing existing default route to ppp0 [192.168.1.100] |
| 18:35.38 | pb_ | local IP address 192.168.2.11 |
| 18:35.38 | pb_ | remote IP address 192.168.2.2 |
| 18:35.47 | pb_ | :-) |
| 18:36.40 | pb_ | hmm, now to check for battery drain I guess |
| 18:37.13 | pb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.17 | pb_ | not so good. |
| 18:37.30 | pb_ | or 220mA with the backlight off |
| 18:42.09 | dc__ | eek... |
| 18:42.17 | pb_ | yeah |
| 18:42.39 | pb_ | seems bluetooth uses about 70-80mA |
| 18:43.18 | pb_ | which is a bit more than I was hoping, though I guess not actually all that disastrous. |
| 18:43.46 | dc__ | do we know how much that is compared to 802.11b? |
| 18:44.16 | pb_ | definitely less, I think 802.11b is usually at least a few hundred milliamps |
| 18:44.22 | dc__ | ahh. |
| 18:44.27 | dc__ | not _too_ bad then? |
| 18:44.48 | pb_ | I can't find my wifi card to try right now, and even if I could I don't think there is any way to get an accurate current measurement with the pcmcia jacket. |
| 18:44.57 | dc__ | right. |
| 18:46.21 | pb_ | I searched the web, seems normal power consumption for 802.11b is about 150mA in standby and 250-300mA active. |
| 18:47.08 | dc__ | okay |
| 18:53.41 | pb_ | oh, damn, that gpe-login screen locking problem just bit me |
| 18:54.33 | pb_ | I guess maybe it's time to do something about that. |
| 18:55.37 | dc__ | :) |
| 18:56.14 | dc__ | yay. |
| 18:56.19 | dc__ | yeah, that's a cool image :) |
| 18:56.41 | pb_ | good-o |
| 18:57.02 | dc__ | style. |
| 18:57.03 | dc__ | hehe |
| 18:57.19 | dc__ | ack, I wish we could cover up the X loading thing. |
| 18:57.24 | pb_ | yes. |
| 18:57.47 | pb_ | keithp said the latest tinyx lets you set the default root background to black, not hatched, which might help. |
| 18:57.50 | dc__ | can we not somehow errr, take control over the fb.. |
| 18:57.58 | dc__ | pb_: oh.. |
| 18:58.00 | pb_ | I also wish we could get rid of the dumb sideways penguin that the kernel draws. |
| 18:58.10 | dc__ | pb_: yes, that'd look a bit neater. |
| 18:58.17 | dc__ | pb_: oh god, yes, heh. |
| 18:58.48 | pb_ | I will try to sweet-talk Dr Hicks into getting rid of the penguin. |
| 18:58.51 | dc__ | :) |
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| 18:58.57 | dc__ | ah mallum :) |
| 18:58.58 | pb_ | mallum: evening |
| 18:59.00 | dc__ | mallum: good evening |
| 18:59.18 | pb_ | dc__: I think with TinyX we just need to wait for jg to build a new package. |
| 18:59.54 | mallum | hello ppl |
| 19:00.01 | dc__ | pb_: right. |
| 19:00.09 | dc__ | mallum: right, lets get this mime things sorted :) |
| 19:00.20 | dc__ | mallum: if you're in the mood at all. |
| 19:00.32 | mallum | dc__: mime stuff ? |
| 19:00.42 | mallum | pb_: thanks for patch BTW |
| 19:00.43 | dc__ | mallum: indeed.. |
| 19:01.05 | dc__ | mallum: did you have any dreams about .desktop files last night? |
| 19:01.43 | mallum | dc__: thankforly not :-) |
| 19:02.56 | dc__ | hehe |
| 19:03.48 | dc__ | mallum: so, what's your verdict on the .desktop and .mime merge idea. |
| 19:04.19 | dc__ | mallum: so mime types are described in t he .desktop files, but under their own [Mime Type] headings. |
| 19:05.29 | mallum | dc__: sounds good, Id check however the gnome/kde parsers dont barf on the .desktop file like that though |
| 19:05.44 | dc__ | ah okay |
| 19:09.21 | mallum | pb_: the code patches you added to xkbd is that just for the non-blocking loop ? |
| 19:09.22 | dc__ | right |
| 19:09.31 | dc__ | well gnome2 just seems to ignore i. |
| 19:09.32 | dc__ | it |
| 19:10.13 | dc__ | so can we assume kde is smart enough to do the same ;p |
| 19:10.36 | pb_ | mallum: there's a change to make it process key events on button press, not button release events, which seemed to be necessary to make autorepeat work well. I'm not sure if that was always the case or if it was exacerbated by my event loop changes. |
| 19:11.23 | pb_ | mallum: with the old scheme you always got a keypress generated when you let go of the button, which meant you tended to end up with more characters than you wanted. |
| 19:12.34 | mallum | dc__: yeah kde should be OK I think too |
| 19:13.33 | dc__ | hmmm bbl food. |
| 19:13.45 | dc__ | mallum: so, I'l start work on libdotdesktop then :} |
| 19:14.02 | mallum | dc__: cool |
| 19:15.28 | mallum | pb_: but does slide still work with processing on button press ? |
| 19:16.19 | pb_ | mallum: I dunno, I never understood the slide stuff anyway |
| 19:16.25 | mallum | pb_: it really needs it own seperate event loop when a button is pressed |
| 19:17.06 | mallum | pb_: did you test the euro symbol on the ipaq ? |
| 19:17.10 | pb_ | mallum: yes |
| 19:18.37 | pb_ | mallum: btw, if you are modeling your keymap naming on locales, the British one should be en_GB. UK is Ukraine. |
| 19:19.17 | mallum | pb_: ah ;-) |
| 19:19.43 | mallum | pb_: and why do yoy define Multi_key ? |
| 19:19.56 | pb_ | mallum: for entering accented characters |
| 19:20.50 | mallum | pb_: hmm, Im suprised that works, are you doing something with xmodmap before hand ? |
| 19:21.04 | pb_ | no |
| 19:22.14 | mallum | pb_: you should in theory just be able to tell xkbd you want a euro symbol and it will work out the required 'real' keys to get you there |
| 19:22.48 | pb_ | mallum: yeah, that's what I did for euro. |
| 19:22.50 | pb_ | at least, I think so |
| 19:23.02 | mallum | pb_: yeah it should have worked for the euro |
| 19:23.44 | mallum | pb_: Multi_key will only work if X keyboard modifier mapping already has it mapped as a modifier |
| 19:24.05 | pb_ | mallum: hmm |
| 19:24.13 | pb_ | mallum: it certainly seems to work ok on my desktop and ipaq |
| 19:24.26 | mallum | pb_: do a xmodmap -pm on your desktop |
| 19:24.39 | pb_ | doesn't mention multi_key anywhere |
| 19:25.04 | pb_ | mallum: why does it need to be mapped as a modifier? |
| 19:25.31 | pb_ | mallum: if anything, I would have thought having it listed as a modifier would prevent it from working rather than help. |
| 19:25.50 | mallum | pb_: wait what does multi key do then ? |
| 19:26.07 | pb_ | mallum: it's the compose key. |
| 19:26.31 | pb_ | mallum: for example, to enter a acute, you would type Multi, a, ' |
| 19:26.51 | pb_ | or o umlaut: Multi o " |
| 19:26.51 | pb_ | etc |
| 19:27.19 | mallum | yeah then I would expect it to be a modifier |
| 19:27.27 | pb_ | why? |
| 19:27.29 | mallum | unless its some wierd special xkb case |
| 19:27.50 | pb_ | that's possible, I guess. I don't really know how it works underneath |
| 19:28.15 | mallum | pb_: cos like shift, ctrl, alt etc , it modifys the behaviour of another key when pressed with it |
| 19:28.41 | pb_ | mallum: ah sorry. you don't hold Multi down, you just press and release it prior to typing the other keystrokes. |
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| 19:29.02 | mallum | pb_: aha, it must be some sort of special case then |
| 19:30.17 | pb_ | ah ok |
| 19:30.59 | mallum | Im still suprised it works on the ipaq though |
| 19:31.10 | pb_ | mallum: try it for yourself :-) |
| 19:32.04 | mallum | pb_: I need to spend a few days sorting xkbd out :( |
| 19:32.23 | pb_ | what needs to be done to it? |
| 19:33.32 | mallum | pb_: well theres a bug with the shifting |
| 19:33.57 | mallum | pb_: if you define a key as non-shifted thats normally shifted eg a '!' key, it wont work |
| 19:34.24 | pb_ | I see. |
| 19:34.29 | mallum | pb_: some of the code is quite crusty |
| 19:34.38 | mallum | pb_: the whole event loop needs rewriting |
| 19:34.58 | mallum | pb_: and maybe libvirtkeys can be ditched |
| 19:35.06 | mallum | pb_: or more adapted |
| 19:35.47 | mallum | pb_: it does a lot of voodoo, I dont quite understand :-( |
| 19:36.17 | pb_ | :-/ |
| 19:43.04 | mallum | pb_: did you ever figure out the dissapearing xkbd in login problem ? |
| 19:43.10 | pb_ | mallum: working on that now |
| 19:43.32 | mallum | pb_: cool |
| 19:45.51 | mallum | pb_: any idea on how I get emacs to let me enter a eurosymbol ? |
| 19:46.32 | pb_ | mallum: it "just works" for me. Mode-shift + 4 is the keystroke |
| 19:46.47 | pb_ | mallum: (mode-shift is AltGr on my machine) |
| 19:51.18 | mallum | pb_: hmm, cant get it |
| 19:51.27 | mallum | pb_: dont work on my machine anyway :( |
| 19:52.25 | pb_ | :-( |
| 19:55.41 | mallum | pb_: I've added some of the changes ( lower cased name for keys etc ) but Im gonna hold out on adding anything else till I get motivated to give xkbd a thorough going over |
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| 20:01.59 | pb_ | mallum: :-( |
| 20:03.26 | mallum | pb_: I will look at it, just in major matchbox mode at the moment |
| 20:03.44 | pb_ | righto |
| 20:04.51 | pb_ | argh my damn Xserver is consuming all RAM again |
| 20:04.57 | pb_ | root 580 3.3 63.8 817948 329300 ? S< Dec05 91:29 /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -nolisten tcp -deferglyphs 16 vt7 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth |
| 20:10.32 | mallum | pb_: you have X CVS right ? |
| 20:13.43 | pb_ | mallum: only client side as far as I remember |
| 20:15.06 | mallum | pb_: hmm, you could try that xres extension maybe to see where all the ram is going |
| 20:15.15 | pb_ | how do I do that? |
| 20:16.01 | mallum | pb_: http://www.xfree86.org/~mvojkovi/restest.c |
| 20:16.22 | pb_ | ah cool |
| 20:16.45 | mallum | pb_: you know the pikey supermarket aldi ? |
| 20:16.56 | pb_ | X11/extensions/XRes.h: No such file or directory |
| 20:16.57 | pb_ | :-/ |
| 20:17.04 | pb_ | mallum: yeah, there's one just down the road from me |
| 20:17.33 | mallum | pb_: they have a 2.66ghz machine ( all branded parts - 129gb drive, 128mb nvidia etc ) for 700 quid |
| 20:17.52 | pb_ | oh, not bad. |
| 20:18.10 | mallum | pb_: sids mum shops there all the time |
| 20:18.22 | mallum | pb_: all there food is by wierd brands |
| 20:20.13 | pb_ | heh. |
| 20:23.33 | pb_ | mallum: oh hey, I found my long-lost bluetooth card this afternoon :-) |
| 20:27.49 | mallum | pb_: ooo, a cf one ? |
| 20:29.18 | pb_ | mallum: yes. |
| 20:29.29 | pb_ | mallum: the dtl1-cs. |
| 20:30.34 | mallum | pb_: ahh nice |
| 20:32.03 | pb_ | mallum: it transpired that it was in a plastic bag that had somehow fallen behind my washing machine. I discovered it while dealing with a small plumbing emergency earlier one. |
| 20:35.36 | mallum | pb_: heh |
| 20:35.50 | mallum | pb_: this would be a cool port for someone -> http://www.gnomepro.com/tsclient/ |
| 20:43.11 | pb_ | yah, indeed. |
| 20:44.15 | pb_ | hmm, I gotta clean out my mail queue. |
| 20:44.27 | pb_ | seems there are 2500 frozen messages in there. |
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| 22:06.50 | mallum | dctanner_: ping |
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| 22:43.39 | uffl | hi. can I run TIemu ( texas instruments calculators emulator) in gpe ? |
| 22:51.18 | uffl | it is based in gtk http://lpg.ticalc.org/prj_tiemu/ besides there is a ipaq version |
| 22:53.02 | pb_ | if it runs under X11, you can use it with GPE. |
| 22:54.21 | uffl | it need sdl and gtk |
| 22:55.25 | pb_ | There are SDL and GTK packages in Familiar. |
| 22:57.18 | dctanner_ | mallum: ponnnng |
| 22:58.22 | florian_ | lol - i'll sell my ti92 :-) |
| 22:58.23 | dctanner_ | oh dear :/ |
| 22:58.39 | dctanner_ | pb_: :] |
| 22:58.59 | pb_ | dctanner_: apparently the 3900 bootldr has trouble restoring pocketpc for some reason. |
| 22:59.13 | dctanner_ | pb_: doesn't sound fun. |
| 22:59.19 | pb_ | well, I'm about to find out. |
| 22:59.22 | dctanner_ | pb_: I assume you're just doing this for testing :] |
| 22:59.26 | pb_ | indeed. |
| 23:00.03 | pb_ | I wish it didn't take so long though. :-/ |
| 23:00.39 | pb_ | even with ymodem-g, it's about a half-hour download. |
| 23:04.53 | pb_ | florian_: this is what jsmanrique dreams of :-) |
| 23:09.24 | florian_ | pb_: i'm shure there is a hp48 emu too ;-) |
| 23:09.52 | pb_ | florian_: yeah, I'm sure I've heard of one. |
| 23:19.36 | dctanner_ | mallum: err, where should I be looking for .desktop files? |
| 23:22.53 | pb_ | they are normally found in /usr/share/applications I think |
| 23:23.28 | dctanner_ | right :) |
| 23:24.21 | pb_ | phew, download complete |
| 23:24.26 | pb_ | programming now |
| 23:24.41 | dctanner_ | heh |
| 23:28.24 | pb_ | verifying now. the excitement is almost too much. |
| 23:29.32 | dctanner_ | hrm... |
| 23:29.40 | dctanner_ | pb_: have you used hash.c before? |
| 23:30.31 | pb_ | dctanner_: yeah, I think so. |
| 23:31.07 | dctanner_ | any ideas how you resize a hash? |
| 23:31.20 | pb_ | hmm, no. |
| 23:31.35 | dctanner_ | :/ |
| 23:32.56 | pb_ | ha, reflashing appears to have been unsuccessful. |
| 23:33.22 | dctanner_ | :/ |
| 23:51.05 | mallum | dctanner_: /usr/share/applications |
| 23:51.46 | mallum | dctanner_: I saw a nice gtk theme ... |
| 23:52.10 | mallum | dctanner_: http://art.gnome.org/show_theme.php?themeID=258&category=gtk2 |
| 23:57.33 | dctanner_ | mallum: a new one, cool. |
| 23:58.36 | mallum | dctanner_: its about the flatest I've seen |
| 23:58.52 | dctanner_ | it would seem |
| 23:58.57 | dctanner_ | have to try it out then |
