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10:28.45pb_morning
10:29.43PaxAnimamorning
10:36.47mallumhey pb_
10:37.08mallumpb_: thanks to that utf8 faq link you sent me, I improved the utf8 support in matchbox
10:37.18pb_mallum: excellent.
10:37.54mallumpb_: it now checks for utf8 ( strcmp(nl_langinfo(CODESET), "UTF-8") ) and if true, turns of xft utf8 rendering
10:38.02mallumpb_: it also now calls setlocale
10:38.19mallumpb_: I need to find out if the above is supported on *BSD
10:38.37pb_mallum: I'm not sure if checking nl_langinfo is an appropriate thing to do, actually.  You can still use UTF-8 regardless of locale.
10:39.43pb_mallum: I will have to do some experiments with GTK2 and UTF-8 in window titles to see what happens.
10:40.30mallumpb_: yeah but if the locale is not set to something with utf8 , any CTYPE ops on utf8 properties ( such as window titles ), wont work correctly - right ?
10:41.07pb_mallum: right.
10:41.23pb_mallum: do you need to do many of those?  I expected the window title went more or less straight through.
10:42.03mallumpb_: no, just to trim the length of it, if its too long ( the code of which I need to look at )
10:42.46pb_mallum: righto.
10:43.28mallumpb_: it still needs some work and testing , like Im not sure what would happen if you built against uclibc for example
10:43.37pb_hmm, indeed.
10:46.28pb_mallum: well, I'll have a play with it later today (if the code is in cvs) and see how I get on.  From what I remember, gtk2 will always set _NET_WM_NAME with its desired window title in UTF-8, regardless of locale, so matchbox probably ought always to be prepared to display that.
10:47.23mallumpb_: yes, thats what should happen
10:47.39mallumpb_: I'll just make a couple of cleanup and then commit
10:47.48pb_cool.
10:48.37pb_now I will have to track down some programs that can actually display non-ASCII characters in their titlebars :-)
10:48.42mallumpb_: disclaimer I dont totally expect it to work ;-)
10:48.54pb_heh
10:50.48mallumpb_: also if you run in xnest, it dont seem to like the xft utf8 rendering funcs
10:51.01mallumpb_: they show up blank
10:51.05pb_hmm, that's strange.
10:51.49pb_xnest doesn't do Render, does it.  Maybe something is broken in the xft fallback to core protocol.
10:53.06mallumyeah thats what I think
10:55.31mallumpb_: btw minitime and minivol are broken in cvs
10:55.39pb_ok.
10:56.39mallumpb_: and you can try out the new keyboard control if you want, I updated the docs for it
10:58.46pb_righto, I will have a go.
11:08.49mallumpb_: do you live far from the motorway ( M1? ) that goes past cambridge ?
11:11.43pb_mallum: the M1 doesn't go particularly near Cambridge.  The M11 does, and I'm quite near that.
11:13.31pb_mallum: see http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=544245&y=264047&z=5&sv=544245,264047&st=4&tl=Grid+Location+544245,264047&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf
11:14.58mallumpb_: yeah M11
11:15.34mallumpb_: oh cool, thats not far at all
11:20.29pb_mallum: indeed, shouldn't take you far out of your way.
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13:40.36pb_mallum:
13:40.38pb_Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
13:40.38pb_0x08051d27 in theme_paint (t=0x805e900, c=0x8066430, frame_ref=1)
13:40.38pb_<PROTECTED>
13:40.38pb_248              j = strlen(c->name);
13:40.38pb_(gdb) print c->name
13:40.39pb_$1 = 0x0
13:43.51mallumpb_: oh dear
13:44.11mallumpb_: was that with a utf8 locale ?
13:44.50pb_mallum: no, that happened when I tried to invoke gpe-edit on a filename containing an accented character (using normal C locale)
13:45.25mallumpb_: hmmm, with the latest CVS ?
13:45.30pb_mallum: yep
13:46.29mallumpb_: compiled with --enable-xft ?
13:46.35pb_mallum: hm, not sure
13:46.37pb_mallum: let me check
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13:47.47pb_mallum: looks like not.  want me to try again with that flag?
13:47.57florianhI!
13:48.04mallumpb_: yeah, not sure if it'll make any difference
13:48.05pb_florian: g'day
13:48.10mallumhi florian
13:48.21pb_mallum: ok, building now
13:48.31mallumpb_: cool
13:49.15pb_*warning* codeset is ANSI_X3.4-1968 , please set a utf8 based locale
13:49.38mallumpb_: yeah do worry too much about that
13:49.49pb_same crash.
13:49.54mallumbah :(
13:50.17mallumpb_: can you try setting a utf8 locale and seeing if it still crashes
13:50.32pb_mallum: I don't have any utf8 locale files on my ipaq at the moment, so not easily.
13:50.43mallumpb_: ah ok np
13:50.52mallumpb_: how are you entering an accented char BTW ?
13:50.54pb_mallum: oh, actually, I'm running matchbox on my desktop, so I guess I can set an utf8 locale for it quite easily
13:50.55pb_duh
13:52.13pb_mallum: with great difficulty.  the keymap on my desktop is fux0red and won't let me enter accents.  I ended up having to cut and paste from a file containing some accented text.
13:52.50pb_mallum: different crash this time
13:52.55pb_Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
13:52.55pb_0x4017be81 in mallopt () from /lib/libc.so.6
13:52.55pb_(gdb) bt
13:52.56pb_#0  0x4017be81 in mallopt () from /lib/libc.so.6
13:52.56pb_#1  0x4017ae81 in free () from /lib/libc.so.6
13:52.57pb_#2  0x4007ba36 in XFree () from /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6
13:52.59pb_#3  0x0804fd4b in ewmh_get_utf8_name (w=0x8058028, win=6291526) at ewmh.c:279
13:53.01pb_#4  0x0804b98a in wm_handle_property_change (w=0x8058028, e=0xbffffb68)
13:53.03pb_<PROTECTED>
13:53.05pb_#5  0x0804afb2 in wm_event_loop (w=0x8058028) at wm.c:370
13:53.07pb_#6  0x0804a666 in main (argc=1, argv=0xbffffce4) at main.c:59
13:53.18pb_mallum: but this one happened on application exit, not startup.
13:53.41pb_mallum: interestingly, it looks like gpe-edit was not even setting the accented character in its window title, so I'm not sure what was causing the first problem.
13:54.24PaxAnimapb_: is that on the ipaq?
13:54.30pb_no
13:54.44pb_oh, hold on, is what on the ipaq?
13:54.51PaxAnimathe last bt
13:54.56pb_no, that was on my desktop.
13:55.02PaxAnimaok..
13:55.35pb_you wouldn't usually see those addresses in an arm backtrace.
13:56.17PaxAnimaah
13:56.18mallumpb_: ok let me go back to the drawing board ...
13:57.22PaxAnimawhat does the mallopt() do?
13:57.55pb_mallum: for some reason I am having extreme trouble making ssh X11 forwarding work on my ipaq at the moment, so I am not able to see how gpe-edit behaves with metacity.
13:58.20mallumpb_: okey, it appears Im getting the crash too here locally in Xnest when I run a gtk2 app
13:58.29pb_mallum: ah right
13:58.35mallumpb_: I've obviously supremely fuxored summin
13:58.51pb_mallum: which crash is that, the c->name NULL deref or the free() one?
13:58.59pb_mallum: so it would seem :-}
14:00.25pb_meantime I guess I should try to repair my keymap.
14:03.58mallumpb_: if you add && w->config->utf8_mode to the if statement on wm.c:894 it will fix the first crash
14:04.38mallumpb_: the crash appears to come from the app changing the name after startup
14:11.12pb_mallum: ah ok.
14:13.46mallumpb_: that xfree crash is nasty though
14:14.37mallumpb_: whats causing the seg is basically if (str) XFree (str);
14:15.06mallumpb_: uh, not its not ;-)
14:15.09mallumpb_: change ...
14:15.11pb_mallum: I guess the heap must be getting corrupted somehow
14:15.48mallumpb_: change line ewmh.c:265 to  unsigned char *str = NULL;
14:15.56pb_aha, that old problem.
14:16.06mallumpb_: yeah, a classic for me ;-)
14:18.00mallumpb_: though it crashing there sort of says that it cant read the _NET_WM_NAME on the window
14:18.07mallumpb_: which is a little worrying
14:18.19pb_hm.
14:18.33pb_gah, it seems that gtkminifilesel has trouble with accented characters too.
14:19.00pb_it's failing to recode them from the locale charset to UTF-8 before passing them to pango. :-/
14:20.06mallumyeah, I was thinking maybe __NET_WM_NAME dont get set if the utf8 passed to it is invalid
14:20.14mallumby gtk
14:20.33pb_I guess that's possible.
14:21.55pb_well, it looks like further testing will require gpe-edit to be fixed, so I will defer that until later.
14:22.39mallumpb_: can you just check with any gtk2 app opened in matchbox with utf8 locale dont cause a crash ?
14:23.03pb_ok
14:23.28pb_yeah, that seems to work alright.
14:24.38mallumpb_: cool, if pos can you run xprop on the gtk win to check its set its _NET_WM_NAME prop
14:25.12mallumpb_: are we running gtk-2.1.2 on the ipaq ?
14:28.52pb_mallum: yes (gtk 2.1.2)
14:29.12mallumpb_: cool, that apparently supports the startup stuff
14:29.40mallumpb_: though Im not 100% sure if I remember that that has some wierd bug in it
14:29.45mallumpb_: I will investigate
14:30.24mallumpb_: BTW, Im pretty sure I've figured out a way to get the xsi stuff working pretty solidly with startup notification
14:31.32pb_cool.
14:31.41mallumpb_: all startup notification does is basically fire X messgaes at the root composed of key=value pairs
14:32.02mallumpb_: they have thinks like name=xxx exec=argv[0] ....
14:32.37mallumpb_: anything that lauyches apps and wants to participate can just monitor those messages, to map things like exec string to window ID
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14:33.45pb_right, I see.
14:45.34mallumpb_: why would people write there own malloc implementations ?
14:46.25pb_mallum: no idea.
14:46.59mallumpb_: hmm, libsn has all its own, I guess there wripped out of glib
14:47.07pb_weird.
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15:01.25mallumprpplague: *slap*
15:01.42pb_steady there!
15:02.13mallumhehe
15:03.24prpplaguemallum: doh, what was that for?
15:03.51mallumprpplague: um, no reason
15:03.58mallumprpplague: just being a twat
15:04.07pb_ha!
15:04.07prpplaguemallum: ahh ok
15:07.13prpplaguemallum: you know "twat" is american slang for a woman's private parts?
15:08.04mallumprpplague: yeah, I think it maybe means the same in the UK
15:08.23mallumprpplague: there is a ruder more extreme word for the same thing though
15:09.51prpplaguemallum: ok just making sure we were on the same pag
15:09.52prpplaguee
15:10.39prpplaguemallum: for instance, in the US you probably don't want to ask to bum a "fag" from a friend, lol
15:11.53mallumprpplague: oh no I've made that mistake before
15:13.04mallumprpplague: what is this http://www.tate.org.uk/modern/exhibitions/kapoor/images/live/camera2/live.jpg
15:14.40prpplaguemallum: looks like the inside of big building
15:14.50prpplaguemallum: i give up,what is it?
15:15.21mallumprpplague: its this -> http://www.tate.org.uk/modern/exhibitions/kapoor/
15:15.30mallumprpplague: I set up 6 wireless webcams for it
15:24.52prpplaguenice
15:41.05florianwhat happend to handhelds? down again?
15:44.53pb_france is adding more RAM.
15:45.08pb_<duffekn> jamey: france says hh should be up in about a half hour.  He wasn't able to get to IRC easily from where he's standing.
15:51.02pb_duffekn: btw, I think all the buildd machinery is installed on ipaq3 now.  We just need to set up an archive (I think you mentioned lorien would be a good place for that) in order for it to burst into life.
15:51.58pb_oops, wrong channel
15:52.07pb_let me try that again in the place where duffekn actually is. :-}
16:10.37mallumoh my mediabox is ruleing now
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16:18.04pb_mallum: cool.
16:22.48mallumpb_: I have mame working well with my ps joysyick now :-)
16:22.55pb_excellent.
16:23.47mallumand mbdesktop running on it controlled my tv remote :-)
16:25.00pb_heh
17:31.06florianbbl
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20:47.44wizlyhi
20:48.05pb_yo wizly
20:48.23wizly:)
20:59.05wizlysilent... silent....
21:00.37pb_indeed.
21:00.55wizlyindeed... strange word....
21:01.36pb_how so?
21:02.12pb_pigeon: good morning
21:02.56wizlygood... night for me
21:03.08wizly(+1 GTM)
21:03.17pigeonpb_: Hey yo how's your zaurus?
21:03.29pb_pigeon: seems good, though I haven't really used it much yet.
21:03.29pigeonwizly: Good evening :)
21:04.09pb_pigeon: it's interesting to see all the QPE apps anyway.
21:06.02pigeonpb_: Is opie more update than qpe these days still?
21:06.21pb_pigeon: I think so, yes.
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21:16.20florianhi all
21:16.33pb_hi florian
21:17.18wizlyhi florian
22:23.04floriangn
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23:11.33dc__pb_: !
23:11.36dc__pb_: japanese text :D
23:11.38dc__pb_: how :D
23:12.03dc__pb_: or rather, what fonts?
23:13.02pb_dc__: hey
23:13.45dc__pb_: got your gpe-edit email.
23:13.52dc__pb_: is the diff in cvs?
23:14.04pb_dc__: ipkg install http://www.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/t/ttf-kochi-gothic/ttf-kochi-gothic_0.2.20020727-2_all.deb
23:14.11pb_dc__: not yet, do you want me to check it in?
23:14.35dc__pb_: well, a general dc_ code rule, if it works, use it :)_
23:14.39dc__pb_: so, yep :D
23:14.52pb_heh
23:14.53pb_ok
23:15.04pigeondc__: Bad boy :P
23:15.26pb_dc__: it's in.
23:15.36pb_dc__: this will completely break gtk1 builds, but I don't especially care about that any more.
23:15.49dc__pb_: either do I, so :)
23:16.02pb_dc__: cool :-)
23:16.50dc__wtf......
23:17.03dc__hrm
23:17.04pb_dc__: there is also a new libgpewidget which can cope with i18n characters in the file selector.
23:17.07pb_dc__: what's up?
23:17.26dc__my iPAQ has managed to install gpe-soudbite, dillo and xstroke all by itself.
23:17.30dc__weird........
23:17.50pb_b'zarre
23:18.00dc__I did leave it on for the last few days...
23:18.04pb_heh
23:18.08dc__but with the screen blanked...
23:18.19dc__how strange indeed.
23:18.29pb_actually, I noticed today that I seemed to have both gpe-soundbite and gpe-soundbite2 all of a sudden.
23:18.35pb_must be catching.
23:18.39dc__it's grown super intelligence.
23:18.42dc__pb_: hehe
23:19.19pb_hell!
23:19.47pb_the last thing I want is my ipaqs evolving super intelligence and ganging up on me.
23:20.11dc__indeed.
23:20.42dc__right.
23:20.49dc__pb_: got some jap text aswell ;}
23:20.54dc__hm
23:21.11pb_heh
23:21.31pb_dc__: you will probably need to recode it into UTF-8, unless you have an euc-jp locale set up on the ipaq.
23:21.44pigeonHmm, putting a jap ttf on the ipaq flash? :\
23:22.08dc__pb_: ah
23:22.11pb_pigeon: the ttf-kochi-gothic one seems to occupy about 3MB
23:22.23pb_dc__: recode EUC-JP..UTF-8 <infile >outfile
23:22.31pigeonThat's a lot for the ipaq I'll say...
23:22.44dc__poor thing.
23:22.46pb_pigeon: not too bad on a modern ipaq with 48MB flash
23:22.48dc__all those big files.
23:22.54dc__pb_: =P
23:22.55pb_pigeon: but I guess it could be a pain with only 16MB.
23:22.55dc__heh
23:23.01dc__hum, need some sleep now.
23:23.06pigeonpb_: :)
23:23.08dc__night then pb_ and pigeon.
23:23.13pb_dc__: night
23:23.16pigeonNiye dc__
23:23.19dc__pb_: I'll have a play tomorrow evening.
23:23.23pb_dc__: cool.
23:23.23pigeons/y/t/
23:23.29pb_dc__: oh, btw, I looked at the mime stuff some.
23:23.34dc__but my mocks are soon, so it's working time :/
23:23.35dc__pb_: oh?
23:23.37pb_dc__: but we can talk about that tomorrow too I guess.
23:23.37dc__pb_: and?
23:23.40dc__pb_: right!
23:31.04pigeonHmm now I wonder when will be a good time for me to get those new ipaqs.
23:31.57pb_How many new ipaqs are you planning on getting?
23:32.05pigeonHmm, one? :)
23:32.28pigeonHmm one thing.
23:32.59pigeonWill a zaurus be better?
23:33.30pigeonHmm actually, won't be for me, I got so many ipaq accessories.
23:33.36pigeon:\
23:34.33pb_Well, the zaurus is kinda cute, with the embedded keyboard and the CF slot.  But I still prefer my ipaq.
23:34.57pigeonYeah I really like the built-in cf slot.

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