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| 04:51.28 | mallum | mooo |
| 04:52.31 | pb_ | woof |
| 04:53.41 | mallum | pb_: hehe |
| 04:54.07 | mallum | pb_: I build a tinyX server last night with DGA and XRes ext's built in |
| 04:54.26 | mallum | pb_: unfortunatly it for x86 ... |
| 04:55.48 | mallum | pb_: I discovered also if you do a 'EXTRA_DEFINES=xxxxx make World' , you can pass in all the arm optimisation stuff |
| 05:03.03 | pb_ | ah, neat. |
| 05:03.48 | pb_ | I'll have to see if I can get hold of jg's bits and build an xscale-optimised server. |
| 05:05.54 | mallum | yeah |
| 05:06.06 | mallum | I think his build scripts are in hh.org cvs |
| 05:06.33 | mallum | pb_: do you have a xscale build machine there ? |
| 05:07.05 | pb_ | mallum: you can build with -mtune=xscale on an ordinary arm box |
| 05:07.43 | mallum | pb_: ah cool |
| 05:08.00 | mallum | pb_: I was scared I may have to soon get an xscale desktop machine |
| 05:08.12 | pb_ | if I wanted to use -mcpu=xscale I guess I would have to compile over nfs on the 3900, or cross build from i386. But experience so far suggests that the resulting code differences are so minimal as to not be worth the effort of maintaining two separate binaries. |
| 05:08.52 | mallum | pb_: seen these -> http://www.iyonix.com/Launch/winapc2.html |
| 05:10.33 | pb_ | no, I hadn't. |
| 05:10.36 | pb_ | looks interesting :-) |
| 05:10.43 | mallum | yeah definetly |
| 05:10.54 | mallum | I cant get past that page cos its flash :-( |
| 05:11.10 | mallum | I bet there pricey though ... and Im not even sure if it will boot Linux |
| 05:15.07 | pb_ | indeed. |
| 05:15.26 | pb_ | let me see if I can use internet explorer to view the flash |
| 05:17.18 | mallum | ooh be careful, you may get a virus or summin ;-) |
| 05:18.14 | pb_ | hmm, flash doesn't really help, there still doesn't seem to be any actual information on the site. |
| 05:19.06 | mallum | ah ... |
| 05:19.19 | mallum | do you know the company ( I think its castle computers ) ? |
| 05:21.41 | pb_ | yeah |
| 05:22.04 | pb_ | castle.uk.co apparently |
| 05:22.38 | pb_ | they're one of the old Acorn crowd |
| 05:23.04 | mallum | nerds ;-) |
| 05:24.00 | pb_ | heh |
| 05:24.26 | mallum | I think you should phone them up and blag one |
| 05:45.16 | pb_ | well, it's a thought. |
| 05:45.23 | pb_ | maybe you should have a go. |
| 05:46.35 | mallum | you've got more cred |
| 05:47.19 | mallum | Just phone em up and ask them if Linux works on it, if not say' well I just ported linux to the ipaq 3900 ...' |
| 05:59.39 | pb_ | heh |
| 05:59.41 | pb_ | might be worth a go. |
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| 06:18.13 | moray | mallum: it depends whether they're still planning to take over the world with RISC OS really... |
| 06:25.00 | mallum | moray: I thought pb_ made LInux run risc os though ? |
| 06:29.29 | moray | mallum: yes -- and I'm running Linux on one of my old RISC OS boxes; however, some people still seem to be hoping that RISC OS itself will take off as an operating system, rather than just the hardware (however, Castle themselves are basically a hardware company so it may not be a problem for them/they may be more pragmatic) |
| 06:32.36 | pb_ | maybe we can persuade Castle to adopt linux+riscose as their solution of choice. |
| 06:32.59 | pb_ | or indeed just use the ROX desktop and hope nobody looks too closely. |
| 06:33.18 | mallum | heheh |
| 06:41.09 | PaxAnima | what's ROX desktop? |
| 06:44.19 | Hallski | PaxAnima: ROX is a file manager |
| 06:44.33 | Hallski | PaxAnima: or, it might be an entire desktop where there is a file manager as part of it |
| 06:44.42 | PaxAnima | ok |
| 06:45.19 | PaxAnima | is it any good? |
| 06:47.34 | Hallski | http://rox.sourceforge.net/ |
| 06:47.46 | Hallski | I don't like the filemanager much |
| 06:50.55 | PaxAnima | ij |
| 06:51.00 | PaxAnima | ok |
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| 10:05.58 | mallum | pb_: is glibc 2.3 now in deb unstable ? |
| 10:07.18 | pb_ | yes |
| 10:09.45 | mallum | pb_: so we can assume it'll be in fam unstable soon ? |
| 10:10.01 | pb_ | ah, not for arm. |
| 10:10.06 | pb_ | binutils is still fux0red. |
| 10:10.19 | pb_ | I was looking at that again this morning in fact. |
| 10:10.29 | mallum | pb_: are you arm maintainer ? |
| 10:11.00 | cmarqu_ | mallum: Hi. Did you see this xkbd mail on the Familiar list? |
| 10:11.08 | pb_ | mallum: well, not really. The binutils project is a bit too laid back to have "maintainers". |
| 10:11.22 | mallum | cmarqu_: no will check my mail ... |
| 10:11.28 | pb_ | mallum: Nick Clifton is more or less in charge of the arm port. |
| 10:11.32 | cmarqu_ | "[Familiar] xkbd /w german layout displays wrong characters" |
| 10:12.26 | mallum | cmarqu_: thats your layout - your bug ;-) |
| 10:12.43 | cmarqu_ | mallum: Nah, just read the mail :) |
| 10:13.04 | mallum | pb_: okey, when we get glibc 2.3 for arm can we do the prebinding stuff ? |
| 10:13.13 | pb_ | mallum: yes |
| 10:13.30 | mallum | pb_: cool :-) |
| 10:13.42 | mallum | cmarqu_: do you get the same problem ? |
| 10:14.19 | cmarqu_ | mallum: I don't know. I need to fix my pango or somehting though before I can try it. |
| 10:14.58 | cmarqu_ | BTW, congrats to you all for finally having the pubs opened till the morning :) |
| 10:15.26 | mallum | cmarqu_: we have ? |
| 10:15.29 | pb_ | cmarqu_: :-) |
| 10:15.40 | pb_ | mallum: well, not quite yet. |
| 10:15.45 | cmarqu_ | mallum: Well, you *could* now, right? |
| 10:16.02 | cmarqu_ | It was all over the news here :) |
| 10:16.08 | pb_ | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2479609.stm |
| 10:17.27 | mallum | cmarqu_: Just before the last elections the labour goverment SMS spam'd people saying vote labour if you want 24hr pubs |
| 10:17.40 | cmarqu_ | "round-the-clock drinking", I like that term. |
| 10:17.56 | pb_ | heh. |
| 10:18.16 | cmarqu_ | mallum: Ah, we also had SMS spam, *on* election day even. |
| 10:18.28 | pb_ | Your election was rather more closely contested, though. |
| 10:19.06 | cmarqu_ | Yeah... the spammers and data collectors lost though :) |
| 10:19.18 | mallum | cmarqu_: yeah, we have lots of stupid laws in England unfortunatly |
| 10:20.13 | cmarqu_ | Can you still buy a b/w TV license? I remember that from a few years ago. |
| 10:20.48 | pb_ | Yes, I think so. |
| 10:20.59 | PaxAnima | b/w TV license? what weird country is that? |
| 10:21.02 | cmarqu_ | Funny :) |
| 10:22.04 | cmarqu_ | PaxAnima: The one where you (used to) drink 3 pints in the last 10 minutes. |
| 10:22.12 | mallum | cmarqu_: before responding to that mail I could really do with you testing it |
| 10:22.23 | cmarqu_ | mallum: Yeah, let me try... |
| 10:22.48 | mallum | cmarqu_: did you change your kernels codeset / mess with load keys or anything ? |
| 10:23.12 | cmarqu_ | pb_: What would cause my fonts not showing up at all while apps not complaining? |
| 10:23.22 | pb_ | cmarqu_: lack of pango modules possibly |
| 10:23.25 | cmarqu_ | I updated libc and pango before that I think. |
| 10:23.27 | cmarqu_ | Ah. |
| 10:23.35 | cmarqu_ | mallum: Not that I know. |
| 10:23.40 | pb_ | you probably need to rebuild /etc/pango/pango.modules |
| 10:24.08 | cmarqu_ | pb_: you know what I'm going to ask now... |
| 10:24.13 | cmarqu_ | "how?" |
| 10:24.24 | pb_ | yes, I was stalling for time so I could find out |
| 10:24.30 | cmarqu_ | Package pango (1.1.2-1) installed in root is up to date |
| 10:24.30 | cmarqu_ | Package pango-module-basic-xft (1.1.2-0) installed in root is up to date |
| 10:24.36 | cmarqu_ | Oh... |
| 10:24.37 | pb_ | pango-querymodules > /etc/pango/pango.modules |
| 10:24.38 | pb_ | I think |
| 10:25.38 | cmarqu_ | Indeed, that was it. |
| 10:25.40 | cmarqu_ | Thx. |
| 10:27.23 | mallum | brb |
| 10:34.32 | cmarqu_ | mallum: I get the same problem (had to fix up my layout with those <layout> tags first) |
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| 11:04.32 | mallum | cmarqu_: hmm wierd |
| 11:05.10 | mallum | cmarqu_: what version of xkbd are you using ? |
| 11:05.41 | cmarqu_ | Version: 0.8.7 |
| 11:07.42 | mallum | cmarqu_: it seems on a uk/us qwerty keyboard / and ='s appear non shifted |
| 11:08.16 | mallum | cmarqu_: I wonder if the xkbd is sending a shift keypress when it dont need to |
| 11:08.51 | cmarqu_ | Hmm. |
| 11:10.13 | mallum | let me check the source ... |
| 11:15.00 | mallum | cmarqu_: do you have an xkbd with source there ? |
| 11:15.30 | cmarqu_ | mallum: I can cvs up it, yes. |
| 11:16.07 | cmarqu_ | Okay, done. |
| 11:16.14 | mallum | cmarqu_: hmm, yeah may be worth it though - though the problem is your desktop handles keyboards differently than tinyX |
| 11:16.27 | benmeyer | mallum: checking on that for you |
| 11:16.44 | mallum | benmeyer: ta very much sir ;-) |
| 11:17.15 | cmarqu_ | mallum: Yeah, and last time, I couldn't build it anyway. |
| 11:17.40 | mallum | cmarqu_: is there like a german codepage for the kernel ? |
| 11:18.32 | cmarqu_ | Hmm, I don't know. I don't run German on computers normally |
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| 12:04.36 | mallum | cmarqu_: there are some experiments I need to do with it |
| 12:04.49 | mallum | cmarqu_: the keyboard stuff in X is really hairy |
| 12:06.41 | cmarqu_ | Ok. |
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| 13:37.03 | prpplague | mallum: thats an understatement |
| 13:55.19 | mallum | prpplague: Im always understated |
| 13:55.20 | mallum | ;-) |
| 14:01.41 | prpplague | .......need beer.......need beer..........need woman^H^H^H^H^Hbeer..... |
| 14:04.17 | mallum | um ... |
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| 14:04.52 | mallum | prpplague: I dont think you'll find either of those on IRC ... |
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