| 02:29.38 | pb_ | mallum: morning |
| 02:34.13 | mallum | morning pb_ |
| 03:51.17 | pb_ | ah, serial cable has arrived. |
| 03:53.32 | pb_ | but, damn, I seem to have forgotten the power adapter at home. |
| 03:59.17 | mallum | doh :9 |
| 04:00.21 | pb_ | but! |
| 04:00.32 | pb_ | unusually for this kind of thing, the serial cable has a connector you can take apart |
| 04:02.46 | pb_ | so I think I can add some extra wires and make it into a dual function power/serial cable |
| 04:07.10 | mallum | hehe |
| 04:16.26 | pb_ | however, I can't find the actual pinout anywhere. |
| 04:25.43 | pb_ | well, I opened up the 3900. Interestingly, there appear to be several unpopulated parts on the cpu side of the PCB. I wonder what goes there. |
| 04:37.04 | mallum | scary |
| 04:52.33 | pb_ | mallum: can CUPS talk to remote lpd servers, do you know? |
| 04:54.58 | mallum | pb_: hmm, I dont think so |
| 04:55.02 | pb_ | darn. |
| 04:55.04 | mallum | pb_: one sec |
| 04:56.01 | mallum | pb_: hmm, unless lpd on the remote machine can expose some sort of standard ( to cups ) RPC interface |
| 04:56.56 | mallum | pb_: if you go onto the cups web management page and add a printer it lists the ways it can connect to remote printers in a add printer wizard |
| 04:57.22 | pb_ | ok, I might give that a try. |
| 05:01.27 | mallum | pb_: do you want to try out my prototype mbdesktop code ? |
| 05:03.48 | pb_ | mallum: sure, that would be great. Not right now, but I will certainly try it this evening. |
| 05:04.35 | mallum | pb_: okey, I'll put a tarball in my experimental later today |
| 05:04.51 | mallum | pb_: you can now navigate the folders |
| 05:05.50 | mallum | pb_: its currently only 28k with the only deps being libpng and xlib :-) |
| 05:08.15 | pb_ | mallum: wow |
| 05:10.54 | mallum | pb_: for some reason though it uses 100% cpu :( |
| 05:11.02 | mallum | pb_: something is wrong with the event loop |
| 05:11.08 | pb_ | ha. |
| 05:14.53 | mallum | a little usleep sorted that :-) |
| 05:15.27 | pb_ | hmm? |
| 05:15.58 | pb_ | does it not block waiting for events? |
| 05:18.02 | mallum | pb_: I always foolishly use XNextEvent ... let me check |
| 05:18.10 | mallum | I think thats the non blocking one |
| 05:18.59 | mallum | pb_: ah yes this is why / how I do my event loop ; |
| 05:19.02 | mallum | while (1) |
| 05:19.02 | mallum | { |
| 05:19.02 | mallum | while ( XPending(mb->dpy) ) |
| 05:19.02 | mallum | { |
| 05:19.02 | mallum | XNextEvent(mb->dpy, &ev); |
| 05:19.11 | mallum | ... handle events ... |
| 05:19.15 | mallum | } |
| 05:19.35 | mallum | handle any event not X related |
| 05:19.43 | mallum | usleep() |
| 05:19.47 | mallum | } |
| 05:20.36 | mallum | pb_: I can always change that to a blocking loop by removing the pending |
| 05:20.43 | pb_ | indeed. |
| 05:21.22 | mallum | pb_: but at the moment that gives me more flexability |
| 05:21.22 | mallum | pb_: in case I have to poll anything |
| 05:21.26 | pb_ | mallum: what kind of thing would you want to poll? |
| 05:22.17 | pb_ | mallum: it's kind of undesirable having non-blocking event loops, because you either waste power (with small usleep) or introduce latency into processing X events (with large usleep). |
| 05:22.21 | mallum | pb_: well Im thinking at some stage I need to figure out an efficient way to figure out if the .desktops dir has been updated in someway |
| 05:23.17 | pb_ | mallum: mmm, right. The best way to do that may be to use a different thread. |
| 05:23.29 | mallum | pb_: yeah, matchbox just blocks |
| 05:23.43 | mallum | pb_: eek threads |
| 05:23.51 | pb_ | heh. |
| 05:24.05 | mallum | pb_: but thats a good point |
| 05:24.12 | mallum | pb_: I hadn't thought of that before |
| 05:24.33 | mallum | pb_: maybe I should update miniapm to use threads |
| 05:24.59 | pb_ | might be a good idea, yeah. |
| 05:25.12 | mallum | pb_: Is there a way of getting the kernel to signal you if a directory changes ? |
| 05:25.45 | pb_ | mallum: I'm not sure. I will have a look. |
| 05:25.49 | mallum | pb_: Id really like to avoid the HUP thing with update-menus |
| 05:26.08 | mallum | pb_: Im sure I remember reading something about it - Im not sure how standard it is |
| 05:26.29 | pb_ | mallum: there does seem to be some arrangement where the kernel will send you SIGIO when a directory changes. |
| 05:26.43 | pb_ | mallum: looks like you use fcntl to control it. |
| 05:26.50 | mallum | pb_: that'd be cool |
| 05:27.05 | pb_ | F_NOTIFY, more specifically |
| 05:27.06 | mallum | pb_: though could cause a prob on other unix's |
| 05:27.21 | pb_ | yes, you might have to fall back to polling on lesser kernels. |
| 05:27.22 | mallum | pb_: are you getting this from kernel sources ? |
| 05:27.25 | pb_ | yeah. |
| 05:27.53 | mallum | ha |
| 05:27.53 | mallum | :-) |
| 05:29.18 | pb_ | might be worth checking Nautilus to see what it does. |
| 05:31.36 | mallum | I think it uses that libfam |
| 05:47.12 | pb_ | ah. |
| 05:48.48 | mallum | http://oss.sgi.com/projects/fam/doc.html |
| 06:13.59 | mallum | pb_: http://www.scan.co.uk/todayonly/ <-- CF wifi card 60 quid |
| 06:29.24 | pb_ | mallum: oh yeah, cool. Not a bad price for the AP either. |
| 06:38.15 | ade | how much is a cf wifi normally then ? |
| 06:41.46 | pb_ | £80-100 pounds or so. |
| 06:42.25 | mallum | pb_: yeah I gotta try and blag the AP for my b'day off my mum |
| 06:42.45 | pb_ | heh |
| 06:44.25 | mallum | pb_: latest shot -> http://handhelds.org/~mallum/mbdesktop.png |
| 06:44.47 | pb_ | very cool |
| 06:45.26 | pb_ | the text for EOG looks a bit weird though. Do you put every word on a new line? |
| 06:45.48 | mallum | pb_: yeah, I hav to improve the layout code for the text |
| 06:45.56 | pb_ | pango :-) |
| 06:45.57 | mallum | pb_: very rudimetry at the moment |
| 06:46.30 | mallum | pb_: hmm, can you give pango a rect and it'll render the text there ? |
| 06:46.39 | pb_ | mallum: yep. |
| 06:46.54 | mallum | pb_: ok I'll check it out and make it a compile time option |
| 06:47.08 | pb_ | mallum: cool. |
| 06:50.21 | mallum | pango usage would rule |
| 06:51.37 | pb_ | it certainly would. |
| 06:51.39 | mallum | pb_: I'll maybe have pango a compiletime option to matchbox too |
| 06:51.44 | pb_ | even better. |
| 06:51.57 | pb_ | I wonder if it would be worth having gdk-pixbuf as a compile time option too. |
| 06:52.11 | mallum | pb_: when I now have mbpixbuf ? |
| 06:52.43 | pb_ | mbpixbuf doesn't have such sophisticated scaling, does it? |
| 06:54.04 | mallum | pb_: well it has enough for what I need it for |
| 06:54.40 | pb_ | true, just seems that on systems where gdk-pixbuf is installed, you may as well use it rather than installing a different library. |
| 06:56.12 | mallum | pb_: hmm maybe .. but my pixbuf code is small enough to compile it statically into matchbox |
| 07:02.04 | mallum | ooerr -> http://www.vboogieman.com/boobies.php?text=matchbox |
| 07:03.49 | pb_ | ha! |
| 07:10.42 | ade | interesting |
| 07:22.45 | flypiper|work | hmmm new matchbox background? |
| 07:22.51 | mallum | flypiper|work: yep |
| 07:23.14 | mallum | pb_: you dont have an example of using pango with plain X do you ? |
| 07:25.13 | flypiper|work | mallum: too bad I don't have an ipaq with me I would scap it:-) |
| 07:25.38 | pb_ | mallum: nope, sorry. |
| 07:26.32 | mallum | pb_: I think I can figure it out, I think I'll add pango later though |
| 07:26.37 | pb_ | righto |
| 08:36.29 | ade | mallum: the url of your desktop to posted eariler, could you identify all the icons across the top please |
| 08:39.14 | mallum | ade: um, how do you mean ? |
| 08:40.33 | ade | from left to right what are the icons in http://handhelds.org/~mallum/mbdesktop.png |
| 08:41.00 | ade | the top ones not the desktop ones :) |
| 08:41.56 | mallum | ade: I just fire the script at my garnome/sgare/applications directory and it globs them all |
| 08:42.23 | mallum | ade: I couldn't tell you what they all are with out manually reading each .desktop file |
| 08:42.36 | ade | i have to say i quite admire your desktop, very clean |
| 08:43.01 | ade | ok thanks anyway |
| 08:43.33 | ade | what pager is that btw ? |
| 08:43.52 | mallum | ade: thanks |
| 08:44.08 | mallum | ade: its the matchbox dock, with a hacked fspanel docked in it |
| 08:44.28 | ade | useful |
| 08:46.27 | mallum | yeah Im gonna overhual it all soon |
| 10:33.33 | mallum | pb_: ouch, I getting : |
| 10:33.37 | mallum | /usr/lib/crt1.o: In function `_start': |
| 10:33.37 | mallum | /usr/lib/crt1.o(.text+0x2c): undefined reference to `main |
| 10:33.49 | mallum | when I try and build matchbox on my cats |
| 10:43.19 | mallum | pb_: its ok I fixed ... I think |
| 11:06.35 | pb_ | ah cool. |
| 11:06.42 | pb_ | I'm in process of trying to unbrick my 3900. |
| 11:07.17 | mallum | aha |
| 11:07.41 | mallum | pb_: btw, logout dont seem to work on either of my ipaqs :( |
| 11:07.44 | pb_ | hrm. |
| 11:07.56 | pb_ | the "logout" menu option just does mbcontrol -exit I think. |
| 11:08.01 | pb_ | does it work if you run that from the console? |
| 11:08.20 | mallum | pb_: ah ok , that'd explain things .. |
| 11:08.44 | mallum | pb_: libxsettings was missing |
| 11:18.14 | mallum | hmmm, ip over bluetooth is really slow |
| 11:34.34 | mallum | arg, this latest kernel is fuxor'd |
| 11:45.46 | dc__ | w00t |
| 11:45.48 | dc__ | weekend :] |
| 11:49.30 | dc__ | humm |
| 11:54.06 | dc__ | damn! |
| 11:54.28 | dc__ | it seems my mom left today just minutes before the package arrived with the snes controler :/ |
| 11:54.36 | dc__ | I'll have to get it tomorrow :] |
| 11:54.56 | mallum | dc__: hey |
| 11:55.01 | dc__ | mallum: evening :) |
| 11:55.09 | dc__ | mallum: going good? |
| 11:55.15 | mallum | dc__: hmm not really |
| 11:55.19 | mallum | dc__: check scap |
| 11:56.04 | pb_ | dc__: hey |
| 11:56.11 | dc__ | pb_: hey |
| 11:56.19 | dc__ | mallum: oh, looks very nice, I see the problem... |
| 11:56.45 | dc__ | mallum: the label stuff eh? |
| 11:57.25 | mallum | dc__: oh yeah its not that Im worried about |
| 11:57.30 | dc__ | ohhh |
| 11:57.36 | dc__ | mallum: what is it then? |
| 11:57.42 | mallum | dc__: its the rest of my damn fuxored ipaq |
| 11:58.01 | dc__ | mallum: oh... |
| 11:58.18 | dc__ | mallum: what happened ? |
| 11:58.40 | mallum | dc__: usb networking dont work anymore, it dont sleep properly, the new matchbox package I made was broke, my bluetooth networking doesn't seem to want to be routed etc etc |
| 11:59.02 | dc__ | oh, dear. |
| 11:59.24 | dc__ | mallum: reflash? |
| 11:59.41 | mallum | dc__: I hope not ... |
| 11:59.47 | dc__ | ah |
| 12:02.47 | mallum | dc__: jamey told me something to do which made sleep less fuxored but obviously broke usb networking ... |
| 12:02.57 | moray | hm, one of my machines has disappeared from the network :( |
| 12:03.03 | mallum | dc__: I fixed the matchbox stuff |
| 12:03.06 | moray | mallum: oh, what was his suggestion about sleep? |
| 12:03.22 | mallum | moray: I wish I could remember |
| 12:03.22 | dc__ | mallum: oh? |
| 12:03.39 | mallum | moray: something I had todo to the usb config :( |
| 12:03.51 | mallum | dc__: yeah it was just missing some files from the ipkg |
| 12:04.51 | dc__ | ahh |
| 12:04.53 | dc__ | good then |
| 12:05.17 | mallum | dc__: yeah better now - just cant handle it when it all happens at once |
| 12:05.27 | mallum | dc__: and all I wanted was a scap shot :( |
| 12:05.46 | mallum | dc__: I hope jamey sorts out these kernel probs ... the old kernel was great |
| 12:05.48 | dc__ | mallum: it's like that isn't it... |
| 12:06.05 | dc__ | guess it was just and unstable day |
| 12:06.54 | mallum | anyone know how to downgrade the kernel ? |
| 12:06.55 | pb_ | mallum: ipkg remove usbnet if you haven't already |
| 12:07.25 | pb_ | (one of) the sleep problems seems to be caused by an insmod/pm_helper deadlock of some kind. |
| 12:07.42 | mallum | pb_: yeah I think I done that, but now usbnetworking dont work |
| 12:08.03 | pb_ | hm, the usbnet package has been unnecessary for some time |
| 12:08.07 | pb_ | what's the problem you have? |
| 12:08.45 | mallum | pb_: let me try again |
| 12:09.11 | mallum | pb_: dmesg is saying; |
| 12:09.13 | mallum | hub.c: new USB device 10:18.0-1, assigned address 16 |
| 12:09.13 | mallum | usb.c: USB device not accepting new address=16 (error=-110) |
| 12:09.41 | mallum | pb_: thats on the host BTW |
| 12:10.07 | pb_ | and what state is the ipaq in, can you tell? |
| 12:10.11 | pb_ | anything in dmesg at that end? |
| 12:10.48 | mallum | pb_: one sec, I just rebooted it to see if that makes any difference |
| 12:11.26 | pb_ | ok |
| 12:12.33 | mallum | pb_: no its not saying anything |
| 12:13.03 | mallum | pb_: only bleeting about the wave lan card, no usb |
| 12:14.29 | moray | hm, my ipaq's come back up from sleeping, but it was doing a bizarre delayed-going-on-and-off thing |
| 12:14.54 | moray | and unhelpfully I've got the no-xkbd bug, so I can't log back in |
| 12:15.12 | moray | (and it's fallen off the network) |
| 12:16.10 | moray | has anyone else noticed some problem with the ifup/ifdown scripts? after a reboot they appear to think the interface is still up and not bother configuring it |
| 12:18.26 | mallum | moray: are you running gpe-login2 ? |
| 12:20.18 | moray | yes |
| 12:20.52 | moray | (have to go, bbl) |
| 12:27.12 | mallum | pb_: I think xkbd fail could be due to some difference in the way gtk2 does xembedding |
| 12:28.53 | pb_ | hrm. |
| 12:29.12 | pb_ | back in ~ 30 mins, need to visit Sainsburys on the way :-/ |
| 13:12.33 | dc__ | damn |
| 13:12.37 | dc__ | damn...damn |
| 13:14.10 | pb_ | right. |
| 13:16.29 | dc__ | pb_: next time please don't use special delivery ;) |
| 13:16.47 | dc__ | pb_: ah much as I love the speed of it, it's a pain to get signed... |
| 13:16.52 | pb_ | dc__: doh |
| 13:17.04 | pb_ | dc__: sorry |
| 13:17.11 | dc__ | pb_: heh, yeah not it's stuck in town, which is 20 minutes away from us... |
| 13:17.17 | pb_ | ah. |
| 13:17.18 | pb_ | :-/ |
| 13:17.21 | dc__ | but lucky we happen to be going there tomorrow... |
| 13:17.23 | dc__ | I hope :/ |
| 13:17.26 | dc__ | but anyhow. |
| 13:17.34 | dc__ | pb_: thanks alot for it :) |
| 13:17.39 | pb_ | heh. |
| 13:17.47 | pb_ | I just hope you can get hold of it. |
| 13:18.14 | dc__ | ah it won't be to much trouble, but I may have to wait till mondey, but I can survive. |
| 13:18.22 | pb_ | righto |
| 13:18.49 | pb_ | hm, my 3900 is still a brick. :-/ |
| 13:19.32 | dc__ | ack. |
| 13:19.42 | dc__ | that must be a pain... |
| 13:19.55 | pb_ | yeah, well, I guess it was bound to happen sooner or later. |
| 13:20.29 | pb_ | I'll go to the office again tomorrow and have another go at jtagging it. |
| 13:21.49 | dc__ | ah coool :) |
| 13:23.21 | pb_ | I tried to hack some kind of jtag programming thing for it this afternoon but, well, it sucked. |
| 13:30.45 | dc__ | arg |
| 13:30.56 | dc__ | I can't work out this evil zoom thing |
| 13:31.00 | dc__ | my maths sucks. |
| 13:31.07 | pb_ | which evil zoom thing would that be? |
| 13:31.15 | dc__ | well, zoom to fit. |
| 13:32.20 | pb_ | ah. |
| 13:35.53 | dc__ | if I do c =a / b |
| 13:36.10 | dc__ | and c is a float and a & b are normal int's will I get a float? |
| 13:36.14 | dc__ | c? |
| 13:36.34 | pb_ | no, it will do the calculation as int and then cast the result to float. |
| 13:36.49 | dc__ | float ()? |
| 13:36.49 | pb_ | if you want to get a fractional result, do c = (float)a / (float)b |
| 13:36.54 | dc__ | ah cool |
| 13:37.40 | dc__ | yay |
| 13:37.41 | dc__ | it works |
| 13:38.10 | pb_ | cool. |
| 13:38.31 | dc__ | now |
| 13:38.36 | dc__ | note this code is evil |
| 13:38.46 | dc__ | and there's probly some leet way to do it. |
| 13:38.51 | dc__ | but atleast it works ;] |
| 13:38.52 | dc__ | ;p |
| 13:40.24 | pb_ | heh. |
| 13:41.05 | dc__ | okay, in cvs, try it if you want :) |
| 13:41.09 | dc__ | It needs some testing |
| 13:41.13 | pb_ | cool |
| 13:41.23 | pb_ | I'll try it in a few minutes. Still working on doom at the moment. |
| 13:41.29 | dc__ | coool :) |
| 13:41.35 | dc__ | right..now it's fullscreen time |
| 13:41.55 | pb_ | hrm, it would seem he quit. |
| 13:41.59 | dc__ | indeed |
| 13:42.35 | dc__ | pb_: do you know the window hints for fullscreen? |
| 13:42.55 | pb_ | well, let me see. |
| 13:43.09 | dc__ | hum well |
| 13:43.54 | pb_ | I will consult freedesktop.org |
| 13:45.44 | pb_ | it would appear you set your stateto _NET_WM_STATE_FULLSCREEN. |
| 13:46.59 | dctanner_ | heh and how might I do that ;/ |
| 13:47.22 | dc___ | some x funxtion? |
| 13:48.00 | dc___ | ahh |
| 13:48.18 | pb_ | there's probably a Gdk call to do it. |
| 13:48.24 | dc___ | :] |
| 13:49.14 | pb_ | gdk_window_fullscreen seems a likely suspect. |
| 13:50.13 | dc___ | hmm |
| 13:50.20 | dc___ | doesn't seem to be in my gdk manual |
| 13:50.30 | pb_ | hrm |
| 13:50.43 | dc___ | gdk_window_set_type_hint ( |
| 13:50.49 | dc___ | is all I can see usefull |
| 13:50.54 | pb_ | http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/2.0/gdk/gdk-Windows.html#gdk-window-fullscreen |
| 13:51.07 | pb_ | seems that your manual is lacking |
| 13:51.14 | dc___ | lack indeed. |
| 13:51.50 | dc___ | thanks |
| 13:54.20 | dc___ | hum |
| 13:54.41 | dc___ | does the transparent option gpe-login use only display the root background underneath? |
| 13:54.50 | pb_ | Yeah. |
| 13:54.54 | dc___ | ack |
| 13:54.55 | dc___ | damn |
| 13:55.01 | pb_ | what were you hoping for? |
| 13:55.20 | dc___ | a little set of transparent buttons for back, forward and close |
| 13:55.28 | dc___ | for when you're in fullscreen |
| 13:55.32 | pb_ | ah. |
| 13:55.49 | pb_ | well, you can set transparency on your own subwindows, you don't need the gpe-login code for that. |
| 13:56.06 | dc___ | oh really? |
| 13:56.21 | pb_ | yeah, just set the widget's style to have a transparent background. |
| 13:56.41 | pb_ | and/or set its window explicitly to parentrelative. I forget which you have to do. |
| 13:56.52 | dc___ | right okay |
| 13:57.04 | dc___ | well let me make the window first... |
| 13:57.57 | pb_ | right. |
| 13:58.14 | pb_ | hmm, timidity sucks quite badly with nwfpe. |
| 13:58.50 | dc___ | the what'a what'a? |
| 13:59.34 | pb_ | timidity is a software MIDI synth. Doom uses it for the background music. |
| 13:59.54 | dc___ | ahh |
| 13:59.56 | dc___ | yes |
| 14:00.07 | dc___ | when I used doom there wasn't any sound. |
| 14:00.11 | dc___ | which sucked. |
| 14:00.12 | pb_ | but it is dripping with FP calculations, so with the NWFPE emulator it is like playing in treacle. |
| 14:00.19 | pb_ | it's OK with the non-free acron emulator. |
| 14:00.51 | pb_ | and you can have just the sound effects without the music, which is ok with nwfpe, so it's not the end of the world. |
| 14:01.19 | pb_ | the other sucky thing about timidity is that it requires 10MB of instrument patches. |
| 14:02.31 | dc___ | :{ |
| 14:02.36 | pb_ | indeed. |
| 14:02.36 | dc___ | not cool |
| 14:02.40 | pb_ | far from it. |
| 14:02.52 | pb_ | so, I think most people will probably prefer to do without music. |
| 14:03.05 | dc___ | I think so |
| 14:03.07 | pb_ | I find it hard to believe that all that data is really needed. |
| 14:13.07 | dc___ | oh dear. |
| 14:13.18 | dc___ | that gdk_window_fullscreen stuff must be really new |
| 14:13.54 | pb_ | oh. |
| 14:13.58 | pb_ | what gtk do you have? |
| 14:14.29 | dc___ | 2.0 |
| 14:14.37 | pb_ | ah. |
| 14:14.39 | pb_ | maybe 2.1 is required. |
| 14:14.48 | dc___ | heh |
| 14:15.08 | dc___ | I assume that's in the unstable feed. |
| 14:15.12 | pb_ | yep. |
| 14:15.14 | dc___ | right |
| 14:15.17 | pb_ | 2.1.1 in fact |
| 14:15.20 | dc___ | I'll compile it for myself :/ |
| 14:15.30 | pb_ | yeah, I think that is the way ahead. |
| 14:16.04 | pb_ | garnome won't mind if you upgrade gtk from 2.0 to 2.1. |
| 14:16.13 | dc___ | right... |
| 14:17.46 | dc___ | how boring |
| 14:17.50 | dc___ | I need all the other stuff. |
| 14:17.53 | pb_ | :-/ |
| 14:17.56 | pb_ | other stuff? |
| 14:18.01 | dc___ | atk, pango etc.. |
| 14:18.06 | pb_ | oh, yeah. |
| 14:18.12 | pb_ | I think Pango is the only one you actually have to update. |
| 14:18.22 | pb_ | glib hasn't changed, and I don't think atk has either. |
| 14:18.29 | dc___ | ohh |
| 14:20.11 | dc___ | hehe, I've always wanted a new gnome install :D |
| 14:20.14 | pb_ | hah. |
| 14:21.08 | pb_ | hrm, whoops. |
| 14:21.16 | pb_ | I seem to have uploaded a faulty libsdl to unstable. |
| 14:21.20 | dc___ | heh |
| 14:21.52 | pb_ | fscking libtool and its friends are to blame, as ever. |
| 14:22.35 | dc___ | hehe |
| 14:22.36 | dc___ | ooh. |
| 14:22.42 | dc___ | I have kde3 installed! |
| 14:22.43 | dc___ | kill!! |
| 14:23.20 | pb_ | crikey |
| 14:23.20 | dc___ | I wondered what /opt/kde3 was! |
| 14:23.20 | dc___ | heh |
| 14:23.20 | pb_ | !!! |
| 14:23.21 | dc___ | ahh space. |
| 14:26.01 | pb_ | bbiab |
| 14:26.04 | dc___ | wow |
| 14:26.11 | dc___ | I have ut installed for linux |
| 14:26.13 | dc___ | cool :D |
| 14:26.14 | dc___ | hehe |
| 14:50.19 | dc___ | cool... |
| 14:51.07 | dc___ | bbl tv. |
| 15:50.48 | pb_ | hrm. |
| 16:02.31 | dctanner_ | heh |
| 16:02.32 | pb_ | right, I uploaded prboom to unstable. |
| 16:02.37 | dctanner_ | left my heater on. |
| 16:02.42 | pb_ | ha. |
| 16:02.45 | dctanner_ | an now my room is _very_ hot :/ |
| 16:03.54 | dc_ | pb_: right I'll try installing it to CF later. |
| 16:04.12 | pb_ | dc_: cool |
| 16:04.44 | dc_ | omg, I need to open some windows. |
| 16:09.03 | dc_ | air :] |
| 16:09.09 | pb_ | :-) |
| 16:10.10 | dc_ | hmm, tomorrow I have to wake up at 8 to look at colag |
| 16:10.19 | dc_ | collages. |
| 16:10.25 | pb_ | colag? |
| 16:10.29 | pb_ | oh |
| 16:10.29 | pb_ | colleges |
| 16:10.34 | pb_ | or collages? |
| 16:11.20 | moray | I've seen quite a lot of things labelled 'X Collage' around Cambridge - though admittedly things like bins, rather than the signs on the front of colleges |
| 16:12.07 | dc_ | heh |
| 16:17.11 | dc_ | errrm. |
| 16:17.24 | dc_ | pb_: it does not like my new gtk2.1 |
| 16:17.30 | pb_ | dc_: what doesn't? |
| 16:17.46 | dc_ | heaps of pango_font_metrics errors |
| 16:17.53 | pb_ | crumbs. |
| 16:17.56 | dc_ | ** (gpe-gallery:24355): CRITICAL **: file fonts.c: line 1227 (pango_font_metrics_get_descent): assertion `metrics != NULL' failed |
| 16:17.59 | pb_ | did you install pango 1.1.1? |
| 16:18.06 | dc_ | I think so... |
| 16:18.13 | pb_ | or probably 1.1.2 nowadays I suppose. |
| 16:18.34 | dc_ | indeed. |
| 16:18.42 | pb_ | hmm, that's very strange. |
| 16:18.48 | dc_ | gdb is useless... |
| 16:18.53 | dc_ | well lots of pango stuff... |
| 16:18.54 | pb_ | I don't remember having any problems like that. |
| 16:19.19 | pb_ | It would be worth checking with ldd and chasing the symlinks to make sure that your apps really are getting the new pango, not some old version. |
| 16:21.56 | dc_ | hm |
| 16:22.05 | dc_ | seems to be taking the old libgtk-x111 |
| 16:22.07 | dc_ | x11 |
| 16:22.11 | pb_ | ah. |
| 16:22.15 | pb_ | rerun ldconfig? |
| 16:23.35 | dc_ | hum |
| 16:23.45 | dc_ | now it's still crashing even though it's using the new one |
| 16:24.18 | pb_ | same errors? |
| 16:25.20 | dc_ | yep |
| 16:25.20 | pb_ | hmm. |
| 16:25.58 | dc_ | heh |
| 16:26.03 | dc_ | suck |
| 16:26.09 | pb_ | I don't really understand all this font stuff. :-/ |
| 16:26.23 | pb_ | suck indeed. |
| 16:27.03 | dc_ | ** ERROR **: file shape.c: line 74 (pango_shape): assertion failed: (glyphs->num_glyphs > 0) |
| 16:27.03 | dc_ | aborting... |
| 16:27.03 | dc_ | Trace/breakpoint trap |
| 16:27.07 | dc_ | that's the last error |
| 16:27.17 | dc_ | it starts the main windows |
| 16:27.22 | dc_ | window |
| 16:27.27 | dc_ | but dies when I try anything else. |
| 16:27.41 | dc_ | like activate the select directory window. |
| 16:27.56 | pb_ | hmm. |
| 16:28.11 | pb_ | no other suspicious messages before that crash? |
| 16:29.49 | dc_ | none. |
| 16:30.10 | dc_ | maybe I can do this the old way then? |
| 16:30.21 | pb_ | which old way would that be? |
| 16:31.22 | dc_ | set the window hint? |
| 16:31.34 | pb_ | oh yeah, the fullscreen. |
| 16:31.41 | pb_ | yeah, indeed. |
| 16:31.54 | dc_ | that _is_ what this was all for ;p |
| 16:32.00 | dc_ | hehe |
| 16:32.10 | pb_ | dc_: sorry, I lost track. |
| 16:32.27 | dc_ | gtk_window_set_type_hint (), what do you think? |
| 16:32.34 | pb_ | might do it, yeah |
| 16:32.35 | pb_ | let me look |
| 16:32.55 | pb_ | hm, no, that's for _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE |
| 16:33.10 | pb_ | you need _NET_WM_WINDOW_STATE. |
| 16:33.31 | pb_ | uh, _NET_WM_STATE |
| 16:34.17 | dc_ | ehh |
| 16:34.23 | dc_ | X11 then I guess? |
| 16:34.26 | dc_ | if it's not in gtk |
| 16:34.35 | pb_ | your best bet is probably to copy gdk_wmspec_change_state from gdk/x11/gdkwindow-x11.c |
| 16:34.39 | pb_ | and use that code. |
| 16:35.01 | pb_ | it's basically pure Xlib at that level. |
| 16:37.30 | dc_ | okay.. |
| 16:44.55 | moray | I found something before that did it properly using GDK2 - maybe Galeon?? |
| 16:45.53 | pb_ | moray: given a new enough gdk, you can just use gdk_window_fullscreen. That's what dc was trying earlier, but his installed gtk was too old and he ran into trouble upgrading it. |
| 16:46.20 | moray | ah. I did code for GTK1 by adapting a wmspec_change_state from somewhere else anyway |
| 16:47.51 | moray | it perhaps doesn't matter for GPE, but _NET_WM_STATE_FULLSCREEN isn't actually enough to get really full-screen... |
| 16:48.06 | moray | KDE and GNOME have their own hints you need in addition to get on top of their panels |
| 16:48.18 | moray | for GNOME you can just do gnome_win_hints_set_layer (window, WIN_LAYER_ABOVE_DOCK); |
| 16:48.42 | moray | and it's probably for KDE I set _NET_WM_STATE_STAYS_ON_TOP |
| 16:56.17 | dctanner_ | heh |
| 16:56.23 | pb_ | :-/ |
| 17:15.18 | dctanner_ | hmm what's your time pb_? |
| 17:16.04 | dctanner_ | heh |
| 17:16.07 | dctanner_ | I need some sleep |
| 17:16.15 | dctanner_ | I'll work on it some more tomorrow after lunch |
| 17:16.17 | dctanner_ | night :) |
| 17:20.21 | moray | hm, I seem to have acquired a one-pixel mouse cursor |
| 17:20.51 | pb_ | ha. |
| 17:21.15 | moray | (after rebooting the ipaq to get back into it) |
| 17:21.35 | pb_ | I think matchbox sets a 1-pixel cursor under some circumstances. |
| 17:22.24 | moray | ah |
| 17:22.37 | moray | I suppose it could be some sort of timing problem that's showing it then |
| 17:24.21 | pb_ | Yeah, could be. |
| 17:30.01 | moray | hm, I thought I'd uploaded a fixed gpe-soundbite2 package, but apparently not (the first one has broken dependencies) |
| 18:14.18 | pb_ | mallum: hi |
| 18:14.25 | mallum | hey pb_ |
| 18:16.18 | mallum | pb_: 3900 fixed ? |
| 18:17.04 | pb_ | mallum: no, I gave up for today |
| 18:17.25 | mallum | pb_: but not completely ? |
| 18:17.33 | pb_ | mallum: my jtag didn't seem to be working very well, think I need to try a different PC. |
| 18:18.50 | pb_ | mallum: apparently it wasn't noticing the data coming back from the ipaq. The latter produces 3V logic levels so it is a bit hit and miss. |
| 18:19.14 | mallum | eek |
| 18:20.16 | pb_ | I will try putting a 74HCT buffer in the way, if I can find one anywhere. I suspect that might be a bit technical for Maplin. |
| 18:20.50 | mallum | Sid wants to go to maplins tommorow ! apperently they have mini TV's for 20 quid |
| 18:21.06 | pb_ | Ha. |
| 18:21.21 | pb_ | hmm, actually I just checked the maplin web site and apparently I was maligning them. |
| 18:21.32 | pb_ | they do seem to have a wide range of HCT devices. |
| 18:21.48 | mallum | I used to know some electronics |
| 18:22.03 | pb_ | obviously that doesn't guarantee the Cambridge branch will have any in stock, but you never know. |
| 18:22.09 | mallum | but its mostly forgotten now :( |
| 18:22.14 | pb_ | :-/ |
| 18:26.15 | mallum | pb_: oh, did you look at the embedding stuff in gpe-login ? |
| 18:26.44 | pb_ | no, not yet. |
| 18:27.01 | pb_ | I'll have a look tomorrow. |
| 18:28.36 | mallum | pb_: does it happen with gpe-login I ? |
| 18:28.54 | pb_ | mallum: does what happen? |
| 18:32.03 | mallum | pb_: xkbd sometime disspear when the screen locks ? |
| 18:32.43 | pb_ | mallum: I don't think so. Only GTK 2 is affected as far as I know. |
| 18:36.28 | mallum | pb_: yeah, I suspected as much - maybe gtk2 handles embedding a little differently |
| 18:37.26 | pb_ | yeah. |
