| 05:25:34 | colin_werk | . |
| 08:48:04 | mallum | mornin |
| 08:50:01 | pb_ | hi mallum |
| 08:53:21 | mallum | pb_: last night I was reading about dcop |
| 08:53:42 | mallum | pb_: it seems it uses libICE which I thought was interesting |
| 08:58:34 | pb_ | mallum: oh really? |
| 08:59:04 | pb_ | mallum: I've never really looked at DCOP at all. Zecke told me it was really complicated. |
| 09:00:37 | mallum | pb_: yeah that what I thought, but it looks like libICE does quite alot |
| 09:00:48 | pb_ | right, neat. |
| 09:01:04 | mallum | pb_: http://developer.kde.org/documentation/library/2.0-api/dcop/HOWTO |
| 09:02:37 | pb_ | ah yes. |
| 09:04:53 | pb_ | mm, I see there has been some DCOP discussion on xdg-list. Presumably that's what started you off looking at it. |
| 09:05:14 | mallum | pb_: yeah with this startup notification stuff |
| 09:05:28 | mallum | pb_: I didn't realise it used libICE |
| 09:05:53 | pb_ | no, me neither. |
| 09:06:06 | pb_ | I guess that would be one reason the Opie guys didn't want to stick with dcop. |
| 09:06:15 | mallum | yes |
| 09:06:39 | mallum | the docs on libICE and probably example of its use are thin on the ground though :( |
| 09:07:02 | pb_ | yeah. |
| 09:07:16 | pb_ | maybe jg knows of some pointers. |
| 09:08:12 | mallum | yeah |
| 09:08:36 | mallum | the startup notification stuff could be of use to us .. it'd be pretty easy to add mb support for it |
| 09:08:49 | pb_ | yes, it looks nice. |
| 09:08:55 | mallum | but other people on the list dont seem to happy with it |
| 09:09:28 | mallum | I guess we'll wait and see, but it'd be nice to get a busy cursor on slow lanching apps |
| 09:10:29 | pb_ | absolutely. Well, a cursor is possibly not quite right for ipaqs, but there should definitely be some feedback. |
| 09:10:32 | mallum | doh, the kernel I build for this neew mac dont support the keyboard :( |
| 09:10:36 | pb_ | doh! |
| 09:11:33 | mallum | i've only just realised , been ssh'ing in thinking everything was fine ;) |
| 09:11:39 | pb_ | heh. |
| 09:11:49 | pb_ | so, you have the machine mostly running OK then? |
| 09:11:57 | mallum | yeah is pretty nice |
| 09:12:08 | mallum | nice and quite + seems pretty solid |
| 09:12:29 | mallum | What I though was a paralell port turns out to be a serial though :( |
| 09:12:41 | mallum | so I gotta figure out how/where Im gonna plug my printer in |
| 09:13:15 | pb_ | aha. |
| 09:13:30 | pb_ | yeah, macs aren't usually big on parallel ports from what I remember. |
| 09:13:34 | pb_ | does it have USB? |
| 09:14:30 | mallum | no usb |
| 09:14:42 | mallum | though I could grab a cheap usb card and stick that in |
| 09:14:56 | pb_ | might be your best bet. |
| 09:15:08 | pb_ | or get a print server and hang the printer off the network. |
| 09:15:18 | mallum | and get like a usb to paralell adaptor ? |
| 09:15:59 | pb_ | yeah. |
| 09:16:38 | pb_ | hm, dabs have a netgear print server with a parallel port for 50 quid, that might be the easiest option. |
| 09:17:04 | pb_ | USB card + usb-parallel adapter may work out slightly cheaper, though I doubt by much. |
| 09:17:28 | mallum | yeah and with a print server I still have a spare pci slot |
| 09:17:43 | pb_ | yes. |
| 09:18:46 | pb_ | or, as a third option, you can get serial -> parallel converters for that kind of thing. They used to be quite common 10 years ago but you don't see them very often nowadays. |
| 09:19:37 | mallum | yeah or Im wordering about a pci paralell card |
| 09:21:22 | pb_ | oh, Lindy do a serial -> parallel converter for 27 quid, that's cheaper than I expected. |
| 09:23:05 | pb_ | yeah, a pci parallel card is an option, they cost about £15 I think. |
| 09:24:30 | pb_ | whereas a USB card seems to be about £10, and a USB->parallel adapter £20-ish. |
| 09:24:59 | pb_ | so, a plethora of options at your disposal. |
| 09:26:27 | mallum | yes :) I guess its a mix of price / saving a pci slot (only 3) / getting it working fine with cups and existing printer |
| 09:26:40 | pb_ | indeed. |
| 09:28:18 | mallum | print server would be sexiest I think |
| 09:30:08 | pb_ | yup. |
| 09:30:15 | pb_ | I think those guys normally speak LPR protocol. |
| 09:38:17 | mallum | yes , googling it looks like it pretty easy to set up with cups :) |
| 09:43:07 | pb_ | cool. |
| 10:28:33 | pb_ | hi colin_werk |
| 10:28:50 | colin_werk | Hi pb_ |
| 12:36:23 | florian | hi! |
| 14:04:09 | colin_werk | BBL |
| 14:54:01 | cmarqu_ | <http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=7d532ada.0209180542.6503efb6%40posting.google.com> -- wow. |
| 14:55:26 | pb_ | Ha, yes. |
| 15:02:31 | grib | cmarqu_: was the "wow" about the linux ban, or the speed with which that thread deteriorated into an argument about fox hunting? :) |
| 15:02:48 | grib | how can you not love usenet? |
| 15:03:03 | cmarqu_ | About the ban. Kind of amazed. |
| 15:03:13 | cmarqu_ | Usenet rules. Or used to rule. |
| 15:19:01 | cmarqu_ | Hmm. The fam 0.6 release notes have nothing about how to set up GPE |
| 15:22:52 | pb_ | I think several universities have had bans like that at one time or another. I'm fairly sure that at least one of the colleges was trying to introduce that kind of policy when I was at university. |
| 15:23:13 | pb_ | Seems you're right about the release notes. I guess nelson sucks. |
| 15:23:39 | cmarqu_ | :) |
| 15:24:09 | cmarqu_ | I now asked him to add a link to GPENewbie |
| 15:26:01 | cmarqu_ | One would think they would rather ban Windows boxes for being virus spreaders etc. |
| 15:38:59 | pb_ | Yeah. I guess it is a case of better the devil you know. |
| 15:56:41 | mallum | jesus, the redhat installer is pretty |
| 15:57:10 | mallum | Its makes a win install look ugly |
| 16:02:29 | pb_ | heh |
| 16:02:35 | pb_ | is this redhat 8? |
| 16:41:53 | mallum | yeah |
| 16:42:00 | mallum | it maybe pretty ... but it dont work :( |
| 16:45:26 | pb_ | :-/ |
| 16:46:04 | cmarqu_ | Q: How do I use GPE? |
| 16:46:04 | cmarqu_ | See the GPE Newbie page. |
| 16:46:23 | cmarqu_ | nelson added this to the install page. Better than nothing. |
| 16:47:19 | cmarqu_ | Off for tonight. CU. |
| 16:47:36 | pb_ | Righto. |
| 16:51:03 | | grib: sorry... |
| 16:51:03 | grib | ibot gpe newbie |
| 16:51:10 | | grib: excuse me? |
| 16:51:10 | grib | ibot gpenewbie |
| 17:31:41 | dc__ | goood. |
| 17:31:43 | dc__ | afternoon :) |
| 17:31:47 | dc__ | pets his new kb |
| 17:51:19 | dc__ | yo'a BBrox :) |
| 17:53:04 | BBrox | 'lo dc__ |
| 17:53:16 | dc__ | pets his new back keyboard |
| 17:53:17 | dc__ | :) |
| 17:53:20 | dc__ | hehe |
| 17:54:24 | pb_ | dc__: hey |
| 17:54:32 | pb_ | dc__: ah, your keyboard arrived. |
| 17:54:45 | dc__ | pb_: yeah, it did :D |
| 17:54:56 | dc__ | pb_: it's not to bad, pretty ool. |
| 17:54:57 | pb_ | dc__: cool |
| 17:54:58 | dc__ | cool. |
| 17:54:59 | dc__ | :] |
| 17:55:03 | pb_ | dc__: did it live up to expectations? |
| 17:55:06 | dc__ | but my typing skills still lack |
| 17:55:09 | dc__ | pb_: yep |
| 17:55:10 | pb_ | :-} |
| 17:55:13 | pb_ | excellent. |
| 17:55:18 | dc__ | and new my new cpu arrives tomorrow :D |
| 17:55:22 | pb_ | wahey! |
| 17:55:35 | pb_ | btw, dabs finally saw their way clear to despatch my DVD drive, that should be with me tomorrow also. |
| 17:55:42 | dc__ | ah wow |
| 17:55:43 | pb_ | so, a veritable feast of new hardware all around. |
| 17:55:43 | dc__ | cool |
| 17:55:44 | dc__ | :) |
| 17:55:47 | dc__ | yep |
| 17:56:01 | dc__ | now, maybe I can do some more coding with my new kb.. |
| 17:56:09 | pb_ | heh. |
| 17:56:12 | dc__ | hum....though the keys are still a bit stiff |
| 17:56:23 | pb_ | I guess you have to break it in. |
| 17:56:26 | dc__ | so it neads some wearing in |
| 17:56:29 | dc__ | hehe |
| 17:56:31 | pb_ | right. |
| 17:57:12 | dc__ | starts emacs |
| 17:57:25 | pb_ | ah, you are an emacs user now! |
| 17:57:52 | dc__ | yep! |
| 17:57:53 | pb_ | reboots windows |
| 17:57:55 | pb_ | :-/ |
| 17:57:58 | pb_ | dc__: excellent! |
| 17:58:04 | dc__ | and i've never felt better |
| 17:58:09 | pb_ | ha. |
| 17:59:32 | pb_ | jeez, NT takes a long time to start up. |
| 18:00:06 | dc__ | heh |
| 18:00:07 | dc__ | hum |
| 18:00:11 | dc__ | now |
| 18:00:19 | dc__ | how mightt I go about 2 htings... |
| 18:00:26 | dc__ | 2 things :} |
| 18:00:31 | pb_ | name the two things |
| 18:01:32 | dc__ | one is making a very small indow in the tol left corner (like gpe-what), and then making a window fullscreen with not even aa border or anythiing |
| 18:01:35 | dc__ | for gpe-gllaery |
| 18:01:43 | dc__ | man my typing sucks |
| 18:02:09 | pb_ | you can set a window as override redirect, which will basically remove it from the window manager's control altogether. |
| 18:02:44 | pb_ | but that is probably not a good idea for gpe-gallery. |
| 18:03:03 | pb_ | Matchbox does have the ability to make a window fullscreen (eg snes9x) so you are probably best to use that mechanism. |
| 18:03:27 | dc__ | and how might I do that? |
| 18:03:46 | pb_ | I'm not sure offhand. I can check the code when I get home. |
| 18:04:02 | dc__ | ah cool :) |
| 18:04:40 | pb_ | back in 5 |
| 18:09:43 | dc__ | pb_: late night lab works eh? |
| 18:10:02 | pb_ | dc__: yeah, working on those snes things. |
| 18:10:44 | pb_ | dc__: irritatingly, I can only program the microcontrollers in my office, and all the other equipment I need is downstairs in the lab, so I have to shuttle between the two. |
| 18:10:55 | pb_ | dc__: also, I just discovered that I wired up the programming cable backwards :-/ |
| 18:11:43 | dc__ | pb_: oh dear. |
| 18:11:54 | dc__ | pb_: but they're coming along then :)? |
| 18:12:09 | pb_ | dc__: yeah, making progress. |
| 18:12:17 | dc__ | oh, gooody! |
| 18:12:33 | dc__ | I've become a majoir tetris addict lately :) |
| 18:12:46 | pb_ | heh :-) |
| 18:12:50 | dc__ | in my very, very interesting geography lessons |
| 18:12:52 | dc__ | ;] |
| 18:13:49 | pb_ | ahh. |
| 18:35:10 | pb_ | right |
| 18:35:12 | pb_ | time to go home |
| 18:35:15 | pb_ | back in a bit :-) |
| 18:35:34 | dc__ | cool |
| 19:19:04 | pb_ | hey mallum |
| 19:19:31 | mallum | moo |
| 19:19:32 | mallum | hey pb_ |
| 19:19:57 | pb_ | farmyard noises don't impress me. |
| 19:21:03 | mallum | roar |
| 19:21:10 | mallum | jungle noises ? |
| 19:21:16 | pb_ | much more like it. |
| 19:21:26 | mallum | cool :-) |
| 19:33:12 | mallum | hmm no jg today |
| 19:35:24 | pb_ | no. |
| 19:35:35 | pb_ | I guess he's got over his cold and is doing some real work. |
| 19:37:34 | pb_ | in fact, CRL people have been a bit thin on the ground altogether the last few days; haven't seen jamey for a while either. |
| 19:49:51 | mallum | aha |
| 19:50:03 | mallum | the doctor is in :-) |
| 19:50:28 | mallum | hey jg |
| 19:51:07 | jg | no, the patient is in :-( |
| 19:53:12 | mallum | jg: ah still no better ? |
| 19:53:23 | jg | better, but not all better... |
| 19:53:57 | mallum | cool, new xserver tommorow then ;) |
| 19:54:37 | jg | dunno. There is other stuff with a november 1 deadline, and I've been firing on a few cylinders less than usual. |
| 19:54:50 | jg | I may have to delay. |
| 19:55:05 | jg | (the XFree86 4.3 functional freeze is very soon). |
| 19:57:04 | mallum | np, I was only joking |
| 19:59:06 | mallum | jg: do you know much about libICE ? |
| 19:59:20 | mallum | jg: I found out today that KDE's dcop uses it |
| 19:59:56 | jg | it is a inter-client communication library. |
| 20:00:03 | jg | I dunno much about it. |
| 20:00:14 | jg | part of the X distribution. |
| 20:03:25 | mallum | yeah, I think it could be of use ... though I've since found out its apparently now unsupported |
| 20:23:11 | jg | mallum: no, I think it is part of the XFree86 stuff that is supported as much as any other part of XFree86 is... |
| 20:24:22 | mallum | jg: I read the kde people patched some fixes into it and sent them to xfree, but were told it was unsupported |
| 20:26:31 | mallum | jg: I was intersted in it as a) it could *maybe* help out with authentication in the migration stuff and b) *maybe* help with some sort of 'message bus' for gpe |
| 20:27:14 | jg | a) no way. b) possibly, but I think the guys working on getting GPE running on X have already succeeded there on their own. |
| 20:28:56 | mallum | why no way to (a) and (b) Im not aware of anything ? |
| 20:32:07 | jg | a) I'm taking a different view to the whole authentication system problem (right now, we just have to get a protocol infrastructure in place), and PAM is probably much more of the solution, and b) Holger Freyther and others have things running. |
| 20:32:14 | jg | I just forwarded you some mail. |
| 20:33:18 | mallum | jg: okey |
| 20:33:51 | mallum | jg: GPE not QPE ! |
| 20:34:27 | jg | I'm sorry, I mistyped. |
| 20:35:11 | jg | I missed the boat... |
| 20:35:29 | jg | ok, libICE is one possiblity, or one could roll your own. |
| 20:35:55 | jg | I think keithp has a better opinion that I do as to whether libICE is worth a plug nickel or not. |
| 20:36:22 | mallum | ;) |
| 20:36:32 | mallum | also I think you could plug pam into libice |
| 20:37:27 | jg | the migration authentication problem is mostly that the client that requests migration needs to identify who is doing the asking, and provide some proof they are who they say they are. |
| 20:37:58 | jg | It really doesn't have the characteristics of arbitrary IPC message busses... |
| 20:38:19 | jg | So I'd be surprised if libICE were at all interesting for the migration case. |
| 20:38:30 | jg | And we need a protocol that is not toolkit dependent, anyway. |
| 20:39:18 | mallum | okey, I need to look at the source for the xsession manager and see how it uses libICE. The docs are pretty low level and I think seeing an example of its use may help me ... |
| 20:40:35 | jg | I suspect it is used for things like sending "save yourself" messages to all clients.... |
| 23:17:45 | pattieja | is away: driving |