| 00:40:44 | zecke | hi |
| 00:40:50 | | pb_ was last seen on #gpe 1 hours, 22 minutes and 49 seconds ago, saying: mallum: sounds excellent [Mon Oct 14 17:18:01 2002] |
| 00:40:50 | zecke | ibot: seen pb_ |
| 00:41:50 | zecke | I got a question concerning GPEs buildsystem or the lack of one |
| 00:44:58 | moray | zecke: and the question is? |
| 00:46:12 | zecke | moray: from compiling sources of GPE it looks like a bunch of applications but not as a complete Environment |
| 00:46:32 | zecke | some use autoncg some glib-config. Is on this topic anything coming along? |
| 00:47:02 | moray | the autoconf stuff is mostly fed out from Glade |
| 00:47:07 | moray | but people don't really like it |
| 00:47:24 | moray | it's intended that applications can be built separately, with only the necessary libraries needing to be built first |
| 00:48:21 | zecke | moray: calling ./autogen.sh on a couple of dirs in a specefic order |
| 00:48:32 | zecke | would still allow you to build each app seperately |
| 00:49:00 | moray | zecke: yes - (some) people don't like autoconf for over-complicating things, rather than because it causes trouble with that |
| 00:49:30 | zecke | moray: ok then use custom makefiles |
| 00:49:34 | moray | most people find it harder to be confident they're making the correct changes to an autoconf setup than to standard Makefiles |
| 00:49:53 | zecke | moray: the point is an Environment should behave like one |
| 00:49:57 | moray | zecke: in the base/build directory there are some bits of Makefile to include |
| 00:50:10 | moray | (these can also be included from autoconf stuff, though it's more complex) |
| 00:50:27 | moray | I'd agree that more of the Makefile stuff should be moved into the standardised build process |
| 00:51:02 | moray | since at the moment each app does things slightly differently - there are common targets at least (e.g. make ipkg) |
| 00:51:10 | zecke | moray: GPE compilation does not feel equally and this is kind of irritating |
| 00:51:15 | zecke | and no I do not want to troll |
| 00:51:55 | zecke | moray: I saw gpe-calendar today on scap and wanted to look at it |
| 00:51:56 | moray | also, one or two programs have a default setup to crosscompile, whereas the majority are set up for native compilation... ;) |
| 00:52:13 | moray | zecke: well, you should only need to build libgpewidget and then gpe-calendar |
| 00:52:21 | zecke | moray: you can bitch a lot about tmake but |
| 00:52:29 | zecke | it's quite nice to use |
| 00:53:38 | moray | I think the current suggestion is for GPE programs to use simple Makefiles, with the intention of common Makefile fragments being kept in the build directory rather than duplicated in each place |
| 00:55:16 | moray | a couple of programs have been converted away from the automake/autoconf stuff that glade had fed out |
| 00:55:48 | zecke | currently GPE compile 'just' like a bunch of standalone apps |
| 00:56:05 | zecke | I wish GPE more integration and even a common system to build ;) |
| 00:56:51 | moray | well, the integration is meant to come through using common libraries |
| 00:57:34 | moray | though obviously if all the apps had consistent build methods there would be no harm in having a 'make world' Makefile higher up the tree |
| 05:18:55 | mibus | yo |
| 05:35:42 | colin_werk | Morning. |
| 05:49:12 | mibus | oh hey colin_werk |
| 05:49:15 | mibus | anything interesting up? |
| 05:54:00 | colin_werk | Not really. |
| 05:56:07 | mibus | mm |
| 05:56:14 | mibus | im on the phone to my boss |
| 05:56:41 | mibus | cant get vid capture working... |
| 05:56:52 | mibus | gonna have to go there i think :( |
| 05:57:56 | mibus | grrr |
| 05:58:05 | mibus | firewire DV camera link to a dodgy PC |
| 05:58:28 | mibus | I told her as soon as she finished with the set of kids she was working with at the time, to tell me so I could reformat & reinstall |
| 05:58:53 | mibus | but now she's just started a new package with kids and i have about 30-60mins before i want to get ready to go to my LUG |
| 05:59:00 | mibus | its rather typical of her actually ;) |
| 05:59:27 | mibus | she's a... "blinkenlights person" i believe the description is :D |
| 06:02:20 | colin_werk | Hehe |
| 06:03:16 | colin_werk | memtrace seems to be very useful |
| 06:04:29 | mibus | sounds neat |
| 06:04:32 | mibus | URL? |
| 06:05:05 | mibus | dont worry |
| 06:05:09 | mibus | google to the rescue |
| 06:05:20 | mibus | ;) |
| 06:05:28 | colin_werk | http://www.uv-ac.de/ipkgs/ |
| 06:05:40 | colin_werk | needs libuvutil_0.1.0_arm.ipk too |
| 06:06:04 | colin_werk | It logs the memory usage of a program |
| 06:11:39 | mibus | oh im installing on my x86 dev box ;) |
| 06:12:02 | mibus | well i gotta go to work :( |
| 06:12:07 | colin_werk | Uhm... :) |
| 06:12:15 | mibus | ill be back i guess... |
| 06:12:17 | colin_werk | CU then |
| 06:12:18 | mibus | *sigh* |
| 06:12:34 | mibus | colin_werk: yup. have fun at work... I hope you have a good, technical boss |
| 06:12:39 | mibus | not like mine ;) |
| 06:12:57 | mibus | ("I dont understand the software, I dont understand the hardware, but I CAN SEE THE BLINKING LIGHTS" ;-) |
| 06:13:25 | mibus | hence us having four laptops with wireless, a DV camera, a couple of digital still cameras, but P133s in the labs... |
| 06:13:34 | mibus | (its a primary school BTW) |
| 06:13:46 | mibus | *sigh* |
| 06:57:51 | mibus | back |
| 06:58:27 | mibus | change "C:" to "D:" and get $15AU... typical ;) |
| 07:02:04 | colin_werk | Easy money... |
| 07:04:47 | mibus | hmm |
| 07:04:50 | mibus | you in the UK? |
| 07:04:55 | colin_werk | .de |
| 07:04:57 | mibus | it's not very much :( |
| 07:05:10 | | mibus: that doesn't look right |
| 07:05:10 | mibus | ibot: change 15AUD to euro |
| 07:05:13 | | mibus: that doesn't look right |
| 07:05:13 | mibus | ibot: change 15AUD to eur |
| 07:05:19 | mibus | ibot: change $15AUD to eur |
| 07:05:19 | | mibus: that doesn't look right |
| 07:05:26 | | mibus: that doesn't look right |
| 07:05:26 | mibus | ibot: change $AU15A to eur |
| 07:05:30 | colin_werk | Hmm, if you had to drive |
| 07:05:30 | mibus | ibot: change 15 AUD to eur |
| 07:05:39 | | mibus: 15.00 (Australia Dollar (AUD)) makes 8.30727 (Euro (EUR)) |
| 07:05:39 | mibus | yes, but luckily not far :) |
| 07:05:44 | mibus | there you go |
| 07:06:02 | colin_werk | Hmm. |
| 07:06:21 | mibus | colin_werk: ? |
| 07:06:30 | colin_werk | Nothing. |
| 07:07:21 | mibus | well why the Hmm. then ;) :P |
| 07:09:10 | colin_werk | Guess it depends on how much the cost of life is in .au |
| 07:09:32 | mibus | well |
| 07:09:42 | mibus | that's worth two large double whopper meals ;) |
| 07:09:51 | mibus | about half of a CD or DVD |
| 07:10:04 | mibus | and 1/100th of the cost of a 3900 iPAQ ;) |
| 07:32:18 | mibus | hi petter |
| 07:32:39 | PaxAnima | hi robert |
| 07:34:18 | mibus | PaxAnima: anything interesting happening? |
| 07:34:29 | mibus | PaxAnima: I'm currently installing gtk2 on my internal flash :) |
| 07:34:53 | mibus | PaxAnima: as soon as I found out about dillo2 I decided to move entirely to gtk2 :) |
| 07:35:31 | PaxAnima | been to Oslo (the capital of Norway, if you didn't know) and visisted some old friends this weekend... |
| 07:35:36 | PaxAnima | dillo2? |
| 07:36:50 | mibus | PaxAnima: gtk2 dillo |
| 07:37:20 | mibus | i just hope it doesnt break or I'll be left with no apps for tonight |
| 07:37:24 | mibus | and ive got a LUG meeting |
| 07:37:39 | PaxAnima | heh... but the only advantage with gtk2 is i18n stuff? |
| 07:37:42 | mibus | mebbe one day I should do a GPE presentation :) |
| 07:37:48 | mibus | PaxAnima: um, no... its cooler and newer :) |
| 07:38:13 | mibus | PaxAnima: there are other reasons (MVC support, ttf fonts, anti-aliasing) |
| 07:38:25 | mibus | i18n is certainly a very cool aspect though |
| 07:38:44 | PaxAnima | well, I'm fan of "Keep Is Simple Stupid" and "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".... ;) |
| 07:39:06 | mibus | :D |
| 07:39:15 | mibus | i like new toys ;) |
| 07:40:05 | mibus | waaaaaaa |
| 07:40:24 | mibus | the gtk2 installation failed and removed the ipkg... now i have to wait for the d/l AGAIN :-@ |
| 07:40:35 | mibus | and it was only 'cos a file already existed and it wanted to install it... |
| 07:41:16 | PaxAnima | ipkg isn't always as good as it should be... |
| 07:43:13 | mibus | no... |
| 07:43:29 | mibus | i should set it to use the squid proxy on my machine |
| 07:45:40 | SchoolAnima | off to the university... |
| 07:46:30 | mibus | ok ciao :) |
| 08:12:37 | mallum | hey |
| 08:19:29 | colin_werk | Hi mallum |
| 08:20:14 | mallum | hey colin_werk |
| 09:00:22 | mallum | pb_: hi |
| 09:01:46 | pb_ | hi mallum |
| 09:02:22 | mallum | pb_: I hacking xsettings into matchbox |
| 09:02:40 | pb_ | excellent! |
| 09:02:54 | mallum | pb_: also did you see gtk 2.1.1 has been released |
| 09:03:22 | mallum | pb_: ..also do you think I should try and hack the migration prop stuff right 'into' GTK |
| 09:07:47 | pb_ | No, I hadn't seen that. |
| 09:07:59 | pb_ | I dunno, do you think you can do the migration as an LD_PRELOAD library? That might be the easiest way at first. |
| 09:12:52 | mallum | pb_: yeah its a possibility, I not sure a big patch will do much harm though .. seems like the quickest way to get migration into all the gtk2 apps |
| 09:13:12 | mallum | pb_: and it is prolly more important to us pda users than others at the moment ...? |
| 09:13:56 | pb_ | Probably, yeah. |
| 09:14:53 | mallum | pb_: I think the patch should be fairly unintrusive anyway ... |
| 09:15:42 | pb_ | Yeah. I should think a patch would be OK. |
| 09:18:01 | pb_ | I'll build an ipk this evening. I was going to respin gtk anyway to add the new locale dependencies. |
| 09:21:16 | pigeon-in-hk | yo everyone |
| 09:21:50 | pb_ | hi pigeon-in-hk |
| 09:23:31 | pigeon-in-hk | How's things? |
| 09:23:46 | pb_ | Good. How's HK? |
| 09:24:03 | pigeon-in-hk | Not bad. Damn hot here. |
| 09:24:15 | pigeon-in-hk | I like taiwan more :P |
| 09:24:24 | pb_ | Heh. |
| 09:24:28 | pb_ | I've never been to Taiwan. |
| 09:24:50 | pigeon-in-hk | It's only my second time there anyway. |
| 09:25:23 | pb_ | Were you working there, or just on holiday? |
| 09:25:28 | mallum | pb_: cool, maybe I'll have a patch for you then ... |
| 09:25:36 | pb_ | mallum: yay. |
| 09:26:00 | pb_ | mallum: I'm gonna send Owen the patch to shrink gtkentry as well, see if I can persuade him to put it into gtk proper. |
| 09:26:13 | pigeon-in-hk | pb_: holidays, visiting my gf in tw, then stay in hk (my home) for a while too. |
| 09:26:33 | pb_ | pigeon-in-hk: ah cool. |
| 09:28:29 | mallum | pb_: whats that ? |
| 09:30:20 | pb_ | mallum: that one-line change to reduce the minimum width from 150 to something more sensible (we use 25 at the moment) |
| 09:30:39 | pb_ | mallum: that's probably the only important bit of the "squashed gtk" patches right now. |
| 09:36:17 | mallum | pb_: ha |
| 09:37:00 | mallum | pb_: maybe one day gtk with have an --enable-small-screen configure option :) |
| 09:37:11 | pb_ | yeah, we can dream :-) |
| 09:37:45 | pb_ | hmm, I see ARM have announced job cuts. |
| 09:39:19 | mallum | eek |
| 09:44:11 | mallum | pb_: I dont think the make install works correctly in libxsettings* |
| 09:45:03 | pb_ | ah, what's wrong with it? |
| 09:45:48 | mallum | pb_: its only copysing the .so.1 into lib, not the .so softlink |
| 09:45:59 | pb_ | oh, yeah. |
| 09:46:07 | pb_ | that's because I didn't want the .so link to end up in the ipk. |
| 09:46:26 | mallum | pb_: okey |
| 09:46:40 | pb_ | if it was installing the .so, by rights it ought to install the headers too. |
| 09:47:05 | pb_ | I tend to compile everything in the same tree, so I just use -L../libxsettings etc. |
| 09:49:09 | mallum | yeah |
| 12:14:35 | ade | is back (gone 12:33:37) |
| 12:28:06 | florian | hello! |
| 12:35:07 | pb_ | hello. |
| 14:17:07 | pb_ | hi mallum, prpplague |
| 14:17:24 | prpplague | morning gtk guru's |
| 14:17:55 | mallum | hmmm |
| 14:18:27 | florian | gurus are... oh there is one... ;-) |
| 14:18:58 | mallum | ventures upstairs to see whats up with the dumb CATS |
| 14:19:41 | florian | some cats bite... these CATS not ;-) |
| 14:20:55 | mallum | florian: this one does -> http://10.am/pics/better_now.jpg |
| 14:28:44 | florian | mallum: oh yes, these are biting ones... |
| 14:29:49 | florian | is seeking a pic of a cats-board |
| 14:29:58 | mallum | florian: yeah the black one is pretty tougth |
| 14:30:00 | pb_ | there's probably one on simtec.co.uk somewhere |
| 14:30:16 | mallum | florian: but the tabby one did actually once kill another cat :( |
| 14:30:35 | pb_ | mallum: crumbs |
| 14:30:58 | mallum | pb_: this is the ghetto, even the cats are in gangs ... |
| 14:31:52 | mallum | pb_: years ago it knocked the neighbours cat off the window ... |
| 14:33:33 | pb_ | mallum: oh, nasty. |
| 14:34:03 | florian | mallum: good we have only the "not biting" version ;-) |
| 14:34:53 | mallum | pb_: I gotta try that new bootloader out ... do you know if even supports ext3 ? |
| 14:35:05 | pb_ | mallum: not sure, the release notes might say. |
| 14:35:30 | mallum | pb_: I dont remember there being any ... I'll poke around .. |
| 14:35:39 | pb_ | mallum: or you could write to their main man and ask: vince@fluff.org |
| 14:57:58 | mallum | pb_: hmm, the snes9x src dc sent dont compile :( |
| 14:58:08 | mallum | pb_: it appears to be missing some headers etc |
| 15:05:11 | pb_ | what kind of headers does it want? |
| 15:05:46 | mallum | pb_: snes9x.h for a start |
| 15:05:51 | pb_ | ha. |
| 15:05:55 | pb_ | fairly specific then :-) |
| 15:05:58 | mallum | yeah |
| 15:06:08 | mallum | I think dc may have missed out some files :( |
| 15:06:14 | pb_ | so it would appear. |
| 15:06:24 | mallum | god damn it I want to play SUPER MARIO ! |
| 15:06:26 | mallum | ;) |
| 15:07:06 | pb_ | can you not get the source from snes9x.com and copy the headers from there? |
| 15:07:36 | mallum | pb_: yeah thats what Im trying |
| 15:07:53 | pb_ | yeah I keep meaning to break out my old SNES cartridges and rip the roms from them. |
| 15:08:10 | mallum | pb_: but its missing the makefile.arm and the version is newer |
| 15:08:18 | pb_ | hmm. |
| 15:08:32 | mallum | pb_: using the old makefile.arm seems to work but theres zillions of warnings |
| 15:08:37 | mallum | pb_: and the final link fails |
| 15:08:41 | pb_ | oh. |
| 15:08:57 | pb_ | hmm, let me take a look. |
| 15:12:26 | pb_ | eugh |
| 15:13:21 | mallum | pb_: I had a feeling you might say that .... |
| 15:14:01 | mccarthy | anyone know why X listens to the mouse when it is operating on a different vt than X is on? |
| 15:14:16 | pb_ | mallum: it "almost" works if you use Makefile.linux and turn off the two ASM things, but not quite. |
| 15:14:17 | mccarthy | (this does *not* happen on my desktop) |
| 15:14:42 | pb_ | mccarthy: ask jg, maybe TinyX was built without proper support for vt switching. |
| 15:15:02 | mccarthy | hmmm, no jg though....darn |
| 15:15:07 | pb_ | mccarthy: the server has to respond appropriately to signals and release/reopen the mouse device. |
| 15:15:39 | mccarthy | pb_: ok. I will bug jg when he arrives (gets back) |
| 15:15:43 | | jg was last seen on #handhelds.org 1 days, 17 hours, 24 minutes and 58 seconds ago, saying: jsmanrique: it can: go build it.... [Sun Oct 13 15:50:45 2002] |
| 15:15:43 | mccarthy | ibot seen jg |
| 15:15:48 | | jg_ was last seen on #gpe 18 hours, 12 minutes and 33 seconds ago, saying: the old gpe integrated releases just had a subset of the apps by default. [Mon Oct 14 15:03:15 2002] |
| 15:15:48 | mccarthy | ibot seen jg_ |
| 15:16:24 | jamey | jg is here today |
| 15:17:01 | mccarthy | jamey: does that mean he wont be *here* today (or that he will)? |
| 15:17:31 | jamey | mccarthy: that means I saw him in the office, but I have no idea if he'll be on irc. an email ping might help |
| 15:17:51 | mccarthy | jamey: ok, thanks |
| 15:17:53 | pb_ | mallum: gack, all the other arm ports of snes9x seem to be binary only |
| 15:25:17 | mallum | pb_: ( |
| 15:25:45 | mallum | pb_: stupid CATS loader cant even reader the CD to update its firmware ... |
| 15:29:19 | pb_ | mallum: good grief :-( |
| 15:29:22 | mallum | florian: you running unstable ? |
| 15:29:48 | mallum | florian: ='s works for me in standard layout at least ... |
| 15:31:52 | florian | mallm: eh... 0.8.1 from familiar-rc1 |
| 15:32:34 | pb_ | mccarthy: have you tried looking at the code? |
| 15:32:39 | mccarthy | pb_: nope |
| 15:33:05 | mccarthy | pb_: I was just hoping someone would know.... "oh, we cut that out of the code..." |
| 15:33:14 | pb_ | ah :-) |
| 15:33:54 | mccarthy | pb_: its no big deal, I will likely *not* switch back and forth between opie and gpe, but it would be cool to be *able* to do so! |
| 15:34:43 | florian | mallum: maybe some days old, i updated from a local host here... i'll check if there is a new version |
| 15:36:11 | mallum | pb_: got the bootloader to flash ( I dont think the 0.6 version likes '-' in image names ! ) |
| 15:37:04 | mallum | pb_: It still dont like the matrox card though :( , think I'll mail that guy .. |
| 15:38:59 | florian | mallum: should hopefully be quite stable... |
| 15:42:22 | pb_ | mallum: right. |
| 15:43:10 | pb_ | mccarthy: yeah. |
| 15:43:24 | pb_ | mccarthy: unless you are mirov, you may have trouble fitting both opie and gpe in RAM at the same time anyway. |
| 15:47:55 | mccarthy | pb_: oh, I didnt notice an issue...but I wasnt doing it for long |
| 15:48:40 | pb_ | mallum: hmm, I seem to have got a snes9x binary out |
| 15:48:45 | mallum | pb_: :) |
| 15:48:55 | pb_ | mallum: no idea if it works though. Want me to mail you the makefile I used? |
| 15:49:17 | mallum | pb_: yeah that'd be cool ... what source did you use ? |
| 15:49:23 | pb_ | mallum: the one from snes9x.com |
| 15:49:34 | pb_ | mallum: I just hacked makefile.linux to take out the x86 specific bits |
| 15:49:35 | mallum | pb_: cool |
| 15:49:58 | mallum | pb_: is there genric c bits to replace them though ? |
| 15:50:03 | pb_ | mallum: seems to be. |
| 15:50:14 | pb_ | mallum: judging from the makefiles, you can build it on solaris or IRIX too. |
| 15:50:49 | pb_ | mallum: mail sent |
| 15:53:47 | mallum | pb_: thx mr :) |
| 16:15:34 | mallum | pb_: ooh I just got a very strange mail back from 'vince' |
| 16:25:26 | pb_ | oh, what's he say? |
| 16:26:55 | mallum | pb_: well I dont think it will do ext3 :(, and he recommends I get an NVIDIA card |
| 16:27:15 | pb_ | hell! |
| 16:27:39 | pb_ | I wonder what made them choose NVIDIA. |
| 16:27:41 | mallum | oooh, but I think gimp 1.4 is about to be release :) |
| 16:27:55 | mallum | pb_: yeah keep your eyes peeled for a cheap PCI one :) |
| 16:28:00 | pb_ | ah, cool. |
| 16:28:27 | pb_ | btw, compiling new pango and gtk now. |
| 16:30:03 | mallum | pb_: cool |
| 16:47:50 | florian | cu |
| 17:10:28 | mallum | pb_: hmm, snes9x seems to get stuck in a loop ( it starts up ok ) , strace seems so show it calling gettimeofday and lots of sigalarms .. |
| 17:10:42 | mallum | pb_: I used the same makefile to compile it for powerpc and it works fine :( |
| 17:12:34 | pb_ | mallum: bizarre |
| 17:12:50 | pb_ | mallum: can you tell where it is sticking? |
| 17:18:02 | mallum | pb_: Im just trying to figure it out ... the only time it sets sigalrm is to do with the sound thread but Im specifying it not to play sound |
| 17:19:01 | pb_ | hmm. |
| 17:19:19 | pb_ | try running it under gdb, then hitting ^C and see where it stops? |
| 17:19:25 | mallum | pb_: okey |
| 17:20:40 | pb_ | btw, I have f-b actually installed on my CF card now. It runs a bit slowly on the ipaq but it's playable. |
| 17:21:10 | mallum | pb_: its not compiled with debug ( will do in a mo ), but it seems to be stuck in a select() |
| 17:21:21 | pb_ | ah. |
| 17:23:00 | mallum | pb_: recomiling - it takes a while ... |
| 17:23:13 | mallum | thinks its a good time to get the dinner on :) |
| 17:23:49 | pb_ | good thinking, Batman. |
| 18:15:55 | dc_ | files a bug report for gnumeric |
| 18:17:41 | pb_ | aha |
| 18:19:51 | pb_ | dc_: yo |
| 18:20:18 | dc_ | pb_: hey |
| 18:20:54 | pb_ | dc_: see scap: http://handhelds.org/scap/land.12454.png :-) |
| 18:22:50 | dc_ | pb_: OMFG!! |
| 18:22:53 | dc_ | pb_: yay :D |
| 18:22:59 | pb_ | heh |
| 18:23:21 | dc_ | pb_: I am assume it's no acutaly 'running' on the iPAQ...or is it? |
| 18:23:30 | pb_ | dc_: yes. |
| 18:23:42 | dc_ | but it's so cute :) |
| 18:23:48 | pb_ | dc_: it's a bit too big for internal flash, I have it on a CF card. |
| 18:23:55 | dc_ | pb_: oooh cool! |
| 18:24:04 | dc_ | pb_: what's the speed like? |
| 18:24:13 | pb_ | dc_: it's quite playable, though not as fast as a real computer. |
| 18:24:17 | dc_ | wow |
| 18:24:31 | pb_ | dc_: I guess one could make it faster. I don't know how well optimised SDL is on the ipaq for example. |
| 18:24:33 | dc_ | pb_: so...how did you install it? |
| 18:24:57 | pb_ | dc_: via about eighteen hours of building bits of Perl and cursing. |
| 18:25:21 | dc_ | pb_: there's an option for running it on slow computers. |
| 18:25:31 | pb_ | dc_: yes, it doesn't seem to make a lot of difference. |
| 18:25:35 | dc_ | pb_: ahh |
| 18:25:43 | dc_ | pb_: so..can I get a copy ;) |
| 18:25:56 | pb_ | dc_: sure. It isn't properly packaged but I can send you a tarball. |
| 18:25:57 | dc_ | pb_: it looks like fun after all the hard work :) |
| 18:26:05 | dc_ | pb_: great...email is good |
| 18:26:05 | pb_ | dc_: yeah :-) |
| 18:26:18 | pb_ | dc_: it may take me a little while though, I have discovered a problemette with my ipaq. |
| 18:26:29 | pb_ | dc_: it has suddenly started locking up whenever I put it into the USB cradle. |
| 18:26:42 | dc_ | :/ |
| 18:26:47 | dc_ | pb_: no problem though. |
| 18:27:07 | pb_ | dc_: normally this wouldn't bother me too much, because I could use ethernet. But I can't have the ethernet card and the CF card both plugged in at once. :-/ |
| 18:27:17 | dc_ | :/ |
| 18:27:17 | pb_ | dc_: but I can definitely send it to you tomorrow. |
| 18:27:21 | dc_ | okay |
| 18:27:23 | dc_ | :) |
| 18:27:35 | pb_ | maybe you can figure out how to make it faster. |
| 18:28:04 | dc_ | maybe :] |
| 18:28:24 | pb_ | ah, hmm, seems my gtk 2.1.1 build has finished. |
| 18:28:33 | dc_ | ooh :) |
| 18:28:56 | pb_ | mallum alerted me that this new version had been released. |
| 18:29:39 | dc_ | cool |
| 18:30:22 | pb_ | yah. |
| 18:30:28 | pb_ | any news with you? |
| 18:30:40 | dc_ | school.. |
| 18:30:46 | dc_ | about all. |
| 18:30:46 | pb_ | :-/ |
| 18:30:47 | dc_ | :/ |
| 18:31:08 | dc_ | and now I'm trying to build mozilla gtk2 so I can get galeon2 |
| 18:31:26 | pb_ | oh cool! |
| 18:31:29 | pb_ | is it not packaged? |
| 18:31:37 | dc_ | it seems not |
| 18:32:28 | pb_ | hmm, galeon-snapshot looks like it might be gtk2, did you try that? |
| 18:32:34 | pb_ | let me install it |
| 18:32:47 | dc_ | ok |
| 18:34:06 | pb_ | ah |
| 18:34:12 | pb_ | my new pango causes all applications to dump core |
| 18:34:19 | pb_ | not so smart. |
| 18:34:26 | dc_ | indeed. |
| 18:35:27 | pb_ | hmm. |
| 18:37:40 | pb_ | well, application "galeon-snapshot-bin" has crashed due to a fatal error (Segmentation fault). |
| 18:37:51 | pb_ | I am instructed to visit the GNOME Application Crash page. :-/ |
| 18:38:23 | dc_ | :/ |
| 18:38:41 | pb_ | mozilla-snapshot isn't much better, it just goes catatonic. |
| 18:39:06 | pb_ | so, thumbs down to those two. |
| 18:39:21 | dc_ | heh |
| 18:39:25 | pb_ | looks like your plan of building from source is the way ahead. |
| 18:39:30 | dc_ | guess I'll have to try and build... |
| 18:39:35 | pb_ | yes. |
| 18:39:46 | pb_ | let me know how you get on, maybe I will have a go too if it works out. |
| 18:40:24 | dc_ | I'll see, I might not have time onight though |
| 18:40:32 | pb_ | dc_: btw, can you fix that Makefile in gpe-icons if you get a moment? |
| 18:45:14 | dc_ | pb_: okay, fixed and commited... |
| 18:45:18 | dc_ | not tested :) |
| 18:46:55 | pb_ | dc_: yay cool, thanks |
| 18:47:07 | pb_ | dc_: now all the opie guys will be able to compile our code again :-} |
| 18:47:20 | dc_ | heh |
| 18:47:23 | dc_ | :) |
| 18:51:10 | pb_ | yup, your change looks good. |
| 18:51:23 | dc_ | good |
| 18:52:02 | pb_ | at least, "make install" works for me again. zecke did complain that the makefile was "wrong in all kinds of ways", but he didn't elucidate any further. :-/ |
| 18:52:16 | dc_ | hehe |
| 18:53:44 | dc_ | hum |
| 18:53:45 | dc_ | I wonder. |
| 18:54:06 | pb_ | hm? |
| 18:54:12 | dc_ | is it possibly to do a screen dump and block X |
| 18:54:19 | dc_ | or make X output to null. |
| 18:54:21 | dc_ | for a time |
| 18:54:36 | pb_ | hmm, what are you trying to do exactly? |
| 18:54:49 | dc_ | display the gpe image while X loads. |
| 18:54:55 | pb_ | you could send the X server SIGSTOP I guess, which would give you free reign over the framebuffer. |
| 18:55:12 | pb_ | ah, in place of the hatched background? That would be nice. |
| 18:55:24 | dc_ | indeed. |
| 18:55:49 | pb_ | What would also be nice would be if we could patch the kernel so you didn't get the sideways text console with the penguin and the cursor during bootup. |
| 18:55:57 | dc_ | so when you login, you know it displays the gpe-login gpe background for a second... |
| 18:56:08 | pb_ | yeah |
| 18:56:51 | dc_ | you can then put in a screen dump of the same image to replace it before that one goes away, redirect X to null, then when X and gpe-appmgr have loaded, remove it. |
| 18:56:59 | pb_ | mmm, I wonder if you could start up the X server on a different vt initially, so that it isn't visible. |
| 18:57:11 | dc_ | pb_: this is the gpe-login -> gpe-appmgr loading part...not kernal loading :} |
| 18:57:18 | dc_ | pb_: indeed. |
| 18:57:27 | pb_ | dc_: sorry, just me being slow |
| 18:57:30 | dc_ | pb_: do you think it's possibly to redirect it like that? |
| 18:57:57 | pb_ | dc_: for the login -> appmgr transition, there is no server reset. So gpe-login could just leave itself displayed, or open a large window to cover the whole screen, and keep it there until appmgr was ready. |
| 18:58:09 | pb_ | dc_: there would be no need to play any tricks with the server. |
| 18:58:15 | dc_ | ah yes :) |
| 18:58:53 | pb_ | seems like a cool idea. |
| 18:58:56 | dc_ | :) |
| 18:59:02 | pb_ | you wanna try to implement it? |
| 18:59:16 | dc_ | what actualy displays the gpe logo for a second when you login... |
| 18:59:20 | dc_ | that I don't know... |
| 18:59:29 | pb_ | dc_: I think that is gpe-setbg. |
| 18:59:36 | dc_ | ahh? |
| 18:59:42 | pb_ | dc_: it sets the "desktop background" to the gpe logo. |
| 18:59:57 | dc_ | ah okay. |
| 19:00:03 | pb_ | gpe-login is transparent, so the background shows through. |
| 19:00:09 | dc_ | so we just need to open up a big window before X loads... |
| 19:00:32 | pb_ | actually, I would have thought the image that gpe-setbg put there ought to stay around. |
| 19:00:54 | dc_ | how do we do that then...? |
| 19:01:03 | pb_ | what exactly do you see between the logo disappearing and appmgr starting? |
| 19:01:04 | dc_ | since gpe appmgr loads ontop of it. |
| 19:01:09 | dc_ | blue |
| 19:01:13 | pb_ | ah |
| 19:01:18 | dc_ | :\ |
| 19:01:34 | pb_ | rm /etc/X11/Xsession-gpe.d/10setroot |
| 19:01:41 | pb_ | hides |
| 19:01:49 | pb_ | I forgot that was there. |
| 19:02:14 | dc_ | hah |
| 19:02:15 | dc_ | =P |
| 19:02:19 | dc_ | hum |
| 19:02:20 | dc_ | now... |
| 19:02:27 | dc_ | gpe-appmgr should be transparent ;D |
| 19:02:32 | pb_ | yes :-) |
| 19:02:49 | pb_ | I was thinking I might put the transparency code in a library and see if I could persuade mibus to use it. |
| 19:03:18 | dc_ | it'd make it look 10 times better when it loads and swiches tabs |
| 19:03:24 | pb_ | yes. |
| 19:03:42 | pb_ | well, possibly at any rate. |
| 19:04:10 | pb_ | I'll make a new session-scripts this evening with that stupid xsetroot thing taken out. |
| 19:04:17 | mallum | dc_, pb_: hey |
| 19:04:20 | dc_ | gooody |
| 19:04:22 | dc_ | mallum: yo :D |
| 19:04:24 | pb_ | mallum: hi |
| 19:04:25 | dc_ | hum |
| 19:04:30 | pb_ | mallum: any news on that snes9x hang? |
| 19:04:33 | dc_ | pb_: you seen linux loader at all? |
| 19:04:40 | pb_ | dc_: nope |
| 19:04:44 | dc_ | mallum: I was playing ultima6 snes last night :) |
| 19:04:58 | dc_ | pb_: that patches the kernel to display a nice loading sequence. |
| 19:05:07 | mallum | pb_: hmm, looks like its not a hang - it looks like its XPutImage is not putting anything :( |
| 19:05:19 | pb_ | mallum: oh. %-( |
| 19:05:28 | pb_ | dc_: ah, neat. |
| 19:05:58 | pb_ | dc_: though to be honest I'm not all that worried about the bootup sequence, since people don't see it very often. |
| 19:06:04 | pb_ | dc_: at least, not in theory. |
| 19:06:10 | mallum | pb_: on the bubble game, did you have to resize the images ? |
| 19:06:15 | pb_ | mallum: yes |
| 19:06:26 | mallum | pb_: and hack the source ? |
| 19:06:30 | pb_ | mallum: it normally runs 640x480, so I scaled everything to half size. |
| 19:06:31 | pb_ | mallum: yes. |
| 19:06:36 | dc_ | pb_: true, true. |
| 19:06:43 | mallum | pb_: you must like that game ;) |
| 19:06:54 | pb_ | mallum: ha. |
| 19:06:56 | dc_ | mallum: I think everyone does :D |
| 19:07:05 | mallum | pb_: tried xbubble yet ? |
| 19:07:08 | pb_ | mallum: I was considering rewriting it in C. |
| 19:07:19 | mallum | pb_: check xbubble :) |
| 19:07:32 | pb_ | mallum: it's a nuisance needing umpteen megabytes of perl just to run f-b, and I suspect that is part of the reason it's not too fast. |
| 19:07:35 | pb_ | mallum: okay |
| 19:07:48 | mallum | pb_: its not as pretty, but the same game |
| 19:08:00 | pb_ | mallum: ah, prettiness is everything :-) |
| 19:08:49 | dc_ | hehe |
| 19:08:50 | dc_ | indeed. |
| 19:08:52 | dc_ | tea! |
| 19:08:56 | dc_ | I need some tea :D |
| 19:09:05 | dc_ | finds the kettle |
| 19:09:15 | mallum | pb_: theres no reason you could,'t drop the pngs in from frozen bubble though ;) |
| 19:09:22 | pb_ | mallum: :-) |
| 19:09:58 | mallum | dc_: btw did I tell you I uploaded the old themes as packages ... |
| 19:11:26 | dc_ | mallum: indeed you did, but camo ownz me :) |
| 19:11:49 | dc_ | pb_: hum...gpe-login doesn't work with hardkeys when I come out of suspend... |
| 19:11:50 | mallum | dc_: doh |
| 19:11:56 | dc_ | mallum: hehe |
| 19:11:56 | pb_ | dc_: ah, gutted |
| 19:12:02 | dc_ | pb_: ah, why. |
| 19:12:11 | dc_ | would it do that :] |
| 19:12:21 | pb_ | dc_: no idea |
| 19:12:24 | dc_ | hehe |
| 19:12:41 | pb_ | dc_: does it seem to be in hard keys mode, or does it still have the password entry box? |
| 19:13:06 | dc_ | pb_: still paswed entry |
| 19:13:11 | pb_ | gah |
| 19:13:17 | pb_ | let me refer to the source |
| 19:13:49 | pb_ | dc_: ah! |
| 19:13:57 | dc_ | :] |
| 19:14:02 | pb_ | dc_: you probably need to add "--hard-keys" to the place where it invokes the autolock gpe-login |
| 19:14:20 | pb_ | dc_: suggest you inspect the files in /etc/X11/Xsession-gpe.d. |
| 19:14:43 | pb_ | dc_: I think 50autolock is the one. |
| 19:15:15 | dc_ | man we need to make the config more cerntral |
| 19:15:32 | pb_ | dc_: yeah :-/ |
| 19:15:36 | dc_ | :] |
| 19:15:50 | pb_ | dc_: maybe I should make an /etc/gpe-login.conf |
| 19:15:59 | PaxAnima | if I was to writ a game using gtk, is the standard gdk drawing functions the way to go if I want speed? |
| 19:16:31 | dc_ | pb_: :] |
| 19:16:35 | dc_ | sounds good |
| 19:16:54 | pb_ | dc_: I will get on that right away |
| 19:16:59 | dc_ | cool |
| 19:17:15 | dc_ | I should get on with my businees studies homework then. |
| 19:17:21 | pb_ | ha |
| 19:17:25 | pb_ | enjoy! |
| 19:28:08 | mallum | kicks snes9x |
| 19:28:14 | pb_ | mallum: still no joy with that? |
| 19:28:31 | pb_ | mallum: are you running it on a local display, or over the network? |
| 19:28:34 | mallum | pb_: nope |
| 19:28:45 | mallum | pb_: debugging over network ( via arm ) |
| 19:28:56 | mallum | pb_: also running locally on ipaq |
| 19:29:03 | mallum | pb_: both exact same result |
| 19:29:07 | pb_ | right. |
| 19:29:19 | mallum | pb_: let me try run on laptop, displaying on ipaq |
| 19:29:24 | pb_ | good idea |
| 19:32:39 | mallum | pb_: bummer, that works .. and its teasing me -> http://handhelds.org/scap/port.17557.png |
| 19:33:09 | pb_ | hrm |
| 19:34:04 | mallum | pb_: could by some wierdness the -mcpu=strongarm110 be causing problems ? |
| 19:34:14 | pb_ | mallum: possibly |
| 19:34:21 | pb_ | mallum: I'm gonna try a build at -mstructure-size-boundary=8 |
| 19:34:23 | mallum | pb_: ok I'll try and build with out that |
| 19:35:12 | mallum | pb_: shall I slip that in too ? |
| 19:35:21 | pb_ | sure |
| 19:35:49 | pb_ | ah, phew, my pango has stopped segfaulting |
| 19:35:49 | mallum | pb_: it takes sooooo long to build :(( |
| 19:35:53 | pb_ | yeah :-( |
| 19:36:06 | pb_ | seems pango doesn't work if you build with gcc-3.2 for some reason. |
| 19:36:40 | pb_ | oh no! |
| 19:36:46 | pb_ | smacks self on head |
| 19:37:05 | pb_ | I deleted my old pango build directory to free up space for this one, and that had all my packaging files in. |
| 19:38:20 | mallum | arg! |
| 19:38:26 | pb_ | yes |
| 19:39:17 | pb_ | well, it could have been worse, it could have been gtk. |
| 19:48:44 | mallum | pb_: hmm, even less action with -mstructure-size-boundary=8 |
| 19:48:51 | pb_ | hmph |
| 19:49:05 | mallum | pb_: ( I had mcpu defined as well ... would that have made a difference ? ) |
| 19:49:21 | pb_ | I doubt it. |
| 19:49:35 | mallum | doh doh doh |
| 19:49:42 | pb_ | grr |
| 19:49:52 | pb_ | what does "even less action" mean, exactly? my build is still running. |
| 19:50:43 | mallum | pb_: didn't even display the 'rom text' at the bottom of the display :( |
| 19:50:54 | pb_ | ah hell. |
| 19:51:20 | pb_ | obviously that option was the wrong thing then. |
| 19:51:35 | pb_ | it's weird, if it can display that text then its XPutImage is obviously working at least a bit. |
| 19:53:06 | mallum | pb_: yep exactly :( |
| 19:53:41 | pb_ | and it works on powerpc, so it can't be -fsigned-char. |
| 19:53:48 | mallum | pb_: yep :( |
| 19:54:13 | pb_ | wanna send me a copy of dc's makefile.arm, in case that has any clues? |
| 19:54:23 | mallum | pb_: sure thing |
| 19:54:53 | mallum | pb_: I'll forward you dc's src |
| 19:55:10 | pb_ | cool |
| 19:56:37 | mallum | pb_: on its way |
| 19:56:42 | pb_ | righto |
| 19:56:52 | mallum | pb_: a build with no optimisations makes no difference :*( |
| 19:57:00 | pb_ | :-/ |
| 19:59:33 | pb_ | mallum: thanks, got it |
| 19:59:41 | pb_ | mallum: that one does -fpack-structs -fsigned-char -mshort-load-bytes |
| 19:59:49 | pb_ | mallum: might just be superstition, but probably worth a go |
| 20:00:24 | pb_ | mallum: I started a compile, but I still have a pango build sapping my cpu so yours will probably finish first. |
| 20:00:27 | mallum | pb_: ok I'll plug it in too ... anything else ? |
| 20:00:38 | pb_ | not that I've noticed so far. |
| 20:00:58 | mallum | pb_: is that the total optimisation switches ? |
| 20:01:07 | pb_ | mallum: no, that is in addition to the "normal" stuff |
| 20:01:11 | pb_ | mallum: the complete line is: |
| 20:01:19 | pb_ | OPTIMISE=-O6 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-exceptions -fsigned-char -fpack-struct - |
| 20:01:19 | pb_ | mshort-load-bytes -mcpu=strongarm110 -static |
| 20:01:46 | mallum | cool thx |
| 20:04:29 | mallum | ok building |
| 20:19:20 | mallum | pb_: No joy :( |
| 20:19:26 | pb_ | Darn |
| 20:19:56 | mallum | its very annoying |
| 20:20:00 | pb_ | Yes. |
| 20:20:07 | pb_ | I wonder what else it could be? |
| 20:20:13 | mallum | yeah |
| 20:22:23 | mallum | pb_: the arm makefile passes slightly differ -Ddefines |
| 20:22:38 | pb_ | ah, what's the difference? |
| 20:24:15 | mallum | pb_: nothing obvious, I've switched it and am building again .... |
| 20:24:20 | pb_ | righto |
| 20:40:16 | mallum | pb_: hmm, still no joy ... dont appear to be in debian-arm niether :( |
| 20:40:26 | pb_ | grr |
| 20:40:40 | pb_ | how frustrating. |
| 20:41:27 | mallum | whats more annoying is I have definetly had it running on my ipaq before ... :*( |
| 20:41:42 | pb_ | ha. |
| 20:52:20 | mallum | I mailed the fam list, asking if anyone still has the origianl binary |
| 20:52:53 | pb_ | Ah good idea. |
| 20:53:32 | mallum | must end the madness |
| 21:09:29 | cmarqu_ | mallum: Tried mailing <Brad.Snow@compaq.com>? That seems to be this guy's other mail |
| 21:11:52 | mallum | cmarqu_: re snes9x |
| 21:12:06 | cmarqu_ | mallum: Yup |
| 21:12:17 | mallum | okey |
| 21:12:48 | cmarqu_ | Found his full name in the Google cache |
| 21:13:23 | mallum | aha :) |
| 21:13:31 | mallum | I mailed him |
| 21:13:33 | mallum | tv now |
| 21:16:40 | nelson | is away: have to stack wood before it freezes to the ground.... |
| 21:27:17 | pb_ | mallum_tv: doh! I just noticed that you have to define LSB_FIRST in port.h |
| 21:27:17 | pb_ | mallum_tv: rebuilding now, maybe that will help. |
| 21:29:43 | pb_ | arg |
| 21:34:11 | mallum_tv | http://kyi.sytes.net/kyi/ipaq/ipaq-src/snes9x_1.3.9-3_arm.ipk |
| 21:34:18 | pb_ | aha |
| 21:34:54 | pb_ | my new pango packages are fux0red, it seems. |
| 21:34:58 | mallum_tv | :( |
| 21:35:09 | pb_ | yes. |
| 21:36:06 | mallum_tv | hmm, ipkg should warn if you run not as root, rather than segfualt :( |
| 21:36:22 | pb_ | indeed :-/ |
| 21:36:34 | mallum_tv | woa snes9x has install icewm ! |
| 21:36:42 | pb_ | !! |
| 21:37:23 | mallum_tv | another quality ipkg |
| 21:38:06 | pb_ | for sure. |
| 21:38:32 | mallum_tv | its installed a load of cvrap in /usr/local too !$%"£$!$!%"£!!! |
| 21:38:37 | pb_ | hell! |
| 21:40:52 | mallum_tv | arg I just deleted my rotate script :( |
| 21:40:59 | pb_ | oops |
| 21:56:45 | mallum_tv | SUPER MARIO ! |
| 21:57:10 | pb_ | wahey! |
| 21:58:47 | mallum_tv | with the sound off, speed is pretty good |
| 21:58:53 | pb_ | excellent. |
| 21:59:16 | mallum_tv | did your build work BTW ? |
| 21:59:18 | pb_ | if this latest build I'm doing works (of which I have high hopes :-) I will play with the compiler options a bit and see if it can be sped up at all. |
| 21:59:35 | pb_ | mallum_tv: no, I botched one of the -I flags and it failed at the final link. I had to start again. :-/ |
| 22:00:23 | mallum_tv | pb_: cool, if you get it building nice, I'll hapily package it :) |
| 22:04:26 | pb_ | phew, I think pango is okay again now. |
| 22:04:34 | pb_ | had a bit of a nightmare with ipkg there. |
| 22:07:30 | pierre__ | wow. exit gnuboy.. |
| 22:09:19 | pierre__ | mallum_tv: do you use Xshm or something? |
| 22:11:01 | mallum_tv | pierre__: what in ? |
| 22:12:00 | pierre__ | in snes9x, for supermario. |
| 22:14:14 | pierre__ | You may experience far better results with fb, finding a way to disable X for a small ammount of screen |
| 22:15:54 | pb_ | Does the ipaq xserver do DGA? |
| 22:16:48 | jamey | DGA? |
| 22:17:44 | pb_ | Direct Graphics, um, something I think. From what I remember, it allows programs to basically draw straight onto the framebuffer with the collusion of the X server. |
| 22:18:30 | jamey | question for keithp@keithp.com |
| 22:19:17 | pb_ | yeah. |
| 22:19:17 | mallum_tv | pb_: no DGA is eveeeeeeeeeeel |
| 22:19:22 | pierre__ | a small google search show that xmame seams to support DGA, I have found nothing about snes9x.. |
| 22:19:44 | mallum_tv | pb_: its being dropped from the newer Xservers , now thing like dri are maturing |
| 22:19:49 | pb_ | ah. |
| 22:20:16 | mallum_tv | pb_: the ipaq does not do DGA, but the code seems to drop back to shm |
| 22:20:39 | pb_ | mallum_tv: right, but shm still involves the xserver doing a blit, right? |
| 22:20:41 | mallum_tv | pb_: DGA is full of secruity holes and make writing driver alot harder apparently |
| 22:20:55 | gdsx | why are a few of the gpe apps in intimate? (aka not all or none) |
| 22:20:57 | pb_ | I see. |
| 22:21:09 | mallum_tv | pb_: yes I think so |
| 22:21:12 | pb_ | gdsx: presumably because the intimate people have chosen to package a few of them. |
| 22:21:25 | gdsx | :o/ |
| 22:22:07 | pb_ | if you ask nicely, perhaps they will package the rest. |
| 22:22:20 | gdsx | :o) |
| 22:23:32 | mallum_tv | pb_: did your build work ? changing LSB for me didn't work :( |
| 22:23:46 | pb_ | mallum_tv: no. I'm now trying with FAST_LSB_WOTSIT disabled. |
| 22:24:00 | pb_ | mallum_tv: I noticed too late that dc's port.h did that too. |
| 22:24:47 | mallum_tv | pb_: ah, yeah I had that set too |
| 22:26:35 | pb_ | pierre__: btw, you always have the option of switching to another console and doing direct fb bashing if your app would be running fullscreen anyway. |
| 22:28:30 | pierre__ | of course |
| 22:29:08 | pierre__ | i dont have tested multi console on my 16Meg Ipaq.. |
| 22:30:36 | pb_ | I gather it works mostly OK. The only problem seems to be that the X server doesn't notice it is being switched away from, so it keeps hold of the mouse. |
| 22:30:53 | pb_ | For something like a game this is probably no big deal, but I gather it causes trouble with opie. |
| 22:31:22 | pierre__ | it may also grab the key events.. |
| 22:31:48 | pb_ | Hard keys? Yeah, probably. I think they go through the same route as touchscreen presses. |
| 22:32:19 | pierre__ | so no game possible ;) |
| 22:32:41 | pb_ | I don't know why people haven't complained about that. Maybe they just don't have the keys bound to anything under X. |
| 22:33:00 | pierre__ | it is the same proble if you kill -9 X on any linux box.. |
| 22:33:14 | pb_ | The kernel seems to do some wacky multiplexing thing, so you can have multiple readers on /dev/ts simultaneously. So, the fact that the Xserver is still reading doesn't stop other programs from also getting the events. |
| 22:33:45 | pb_ | The problem in the Opie case is that every time you move the mouse or click in Opie, the X server is doing the same thing. So, when you switch back to X, your work is usually destroyed. |
| 22:34:05 | flypiper | pb_: have you had anyone mention a screen flicker when accessing CF drive? |
| 22:34:21 | pierre__ | what I ve experienced about that, is that it is the first to read the file who gets the events |
| 22:34:27 | pb_ | flypiper: not CF specifically, but there is a generic bug in the strongarm that can cause screen flicker when the PCMCIA bus is in use. |
| 22:34:42 | pb_ | flypiper: it mostly seems to show up with WLAN cards for some reason. |
| 22:34:44 | pierre__ | so some events go to one some other go to the other.. |
| 22:34:56 | pb_ | pierre__: ah, strange. |
| 22:35:12 | pb_ | pierre__: well, I guess not all that strange, it does make sense. |
| 22:35:22 | pierre__ | it depends on the current process. |
| 22:36:33 | pierre__ | the result is that if we want multi consle, we should provide the functionality in X.. |
| 22:37:26 | pb_ | you mean make it work correctly with vt switching? |
| 22:37:31 | pierre__ | another task for keythp.. |
| 22:37:38 | pierre__ | yes |
| 22:37:42 | pb_ | mallum_tv: Aha! I rule! |
| 22:37:45 | mallum_tv | pb_: If this snes9x compiles I patch it to do full screen / sort out the keysyms for ipaq keys |
| 22:37:50 | mallum_tv | pb_: WOOHOO ! |
| 22:38:01 | pb_ | mallum_tv: the lsb thing did the trick. |
| 22:38:03 | mallum_tv | pb_: you do indeed :)) |
| 22:38:09 | mallum_tv | pb_: arg |
| 22:38:50 | cmarqu_ | Night all. |
| 22:39:12 | pierre__ | night |
| 22:39:18 | pb_ | night cmarqu_ |
| 22:43:00 | mallum_tv | pb_: will you mail me your final makefile ? |
| 22:43:07 | pb_ | mallum_tv: sure |
| 22:44:33 | mallum_tv | pb_: Any thoughts oin why the sound would slow it down so ? |
| 22:44:44 | pb_ | mallum_tv: Not really, I'd have to look at what it's doing. |
| 22:44:52 | pb_ | mallum_tv: there might be floating point code or something |
| 22:48:13 | mallum_tv | pb_: I got pango rendering working nice in figment :) |
| 22:48:46 | pb_ | mallum_tv: excellent |
| 22:49:09 | pb_ | I just mailed you some files. Might follow them with an update when my next build finished. |
| 22:49:13 | pb_ | finishes. |
| 22:50:25 | mallum_tv | pb_: cool, thx ... I'll patch it to use ipaq keys and do fullscreen :) |
| 22:53:54 | pb_ | mallum_tv: excellent! |
| 22:55:14 | pb_ | mallum_tv: the sound code is dripping with "double"s. |
| 22:55:43 | pb_ | mallum_tv: I'm not even slightly surprised that it runs slowly :-( |
| 22:56:17 | mallum_tv | pb_: ewe |
| 22:56:27 | pb_ | yes. |
| 22:59:57 | pb_ | I dunno if anything can be done about that, short of rewriting the whole mess in fixed point. |
| 23:01:10 | mallum_tv | that does not sound good :( |
| 23:01:33 | pb_ | Well, if it's only the mixer, it probably wouldn't be all that scary. |
| 23:01:46 | pb_ | Search for "double" in soundux.cpp for example. |
| 23:02:58 | pb_ | Now, dsp1emu.c has some really hairy FP stuff in. I don't even really know what that code is doing, but it looks like 3d graphics of some kind. |
| 23:03:30 | pb_ | Luckily, it looks like that is not used in our configuration. |
| 23:10:05 | pb_ | mallum_tv: yeah, looks like it builds OK with OPTIMISE=-Os -mcpu=strongarm110 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-exceptions -mshort-loa |
| 23:10:05 | pb_ | d-bytes |
| 23:10:10 | pb_ | which should run a bit faster. |
| 23:10:26 | pb_ | in particular, getting rid of -fsigned-char will help. |
| 23:12:16 | mallum_tv | pb_: ah cool |
| 23:12:41 | pb_ | I might have a look at the sound goo tomorrow, see if anything can be done. |
| 23:22:39 | mallum_tv | pb_: ecellent |
| 23:24:31 | pb_ | right, time for some sleep now. |
| 23:24:32 | pb_ | night |
