| 08:07:37 | mibus | hi all |
| 08:09:21 | PaxAnima | hi |
| 08:13:12 | mibus | prepares appmgr-alpha for its first release |
| 08:13:28 | PaxAnima | ooooh... |
| 08:14:58 | mibus | yes |
| 08:15:11 | mibus | i got it to the stage where it "works" and used it all weekend |
| 08:15:33 | mibus | i was gonna give it a few more days before release (for valgrind testing, finishing major features etc.) |
| 08:15:42 | mibus | but i gotta trump pb's gtk2 email somehow ;) |
| 08:15:48 | mibus | gotta go eat, back soon |
| 08:16:13 | PaxAnima | good eating |
| 08:26:52 | mibus | done |
| 08:33:27 | mibus | "ipkg update; ipkg install gpe-appmgr2" will install appmgr-alpha now! |
| 08:39:16 | PaxAnima | oh... but it's gtk2? |
| 08:43:26 | PaxAnima | off to buy some food and do some laundry... |
| 08:46:54 | mibus | um, yes its gtk2 |
| 08:47:01 | mibus | that was one of the big improvements ;) |
| 08:47:11 | mibus | its also all custom rendering and very pretty and fast |
| 08:47:45 | PaxAnima | ahh.. nice.... (but I was gone, wasn't I? ;) |
| 08:48:11 | mibus | apparently :P |
| 09:01:39 | mibus | realises he's posting from the wrong email addy to the gpe list... |
| 09:16:09 | colin_werk | mibus: Hi. |
| 09:18:20 | mibus | hi colin_werk |
| 09:19:34 | mibus | install appmgr2 install appmgr2 install appmgr2 install appmgr2 install appmgr2 install appmgr2 install appmgr2 install appmgr2 install appmgr2 install appmgr2 |
| 09:19:39 | mibus | :P |
| 09:19:39 | mibus | i sent a mail to the list |
| 09:19:40 | mibus | but its from the wrong ISP so it will either bounce or wait for moderation... |
| 09:21:31 | mibus | (dammit!) |
| 09:22:09 | colin_werk | mibus: Are you doing the scaling of the bg image nicer now? |
| 09:22:19 | colin_werk | I'll install it when I'm at home. |
| 09:26:29 | mibus | no the bg image is tiled now :D |
| 09:26:44 | mibus | i did the tiling on friday or saturday |
| 09:26:48 | mibus | along with a couple of bug fixes |
| 09:26:55 | mibus | and making the label go bold when selected |
| 09:27:00 | mibus | and implementing the "clicked" signal |
| 09:27:16 | mibus | and then ate the resultant dog-food all weekend while I was away visiting rellies |
| 09:27:21 | mibus | and wow its sweet :D |
| 09:27:33 | colin_werk | scap now! |
| 09:31:38 | mibus | i scapped it when i did it |
| 09:31:44 | mibus | but i'll do it again just for you :P |
| 09:31:54 | mibus | awww dammit |
| 09:32:02 | mibus | i just rm -f'd gtk2 so i can reinstall it |
| 09:32:32 | mibus | so youll have to wait if it's not still in the scap |
| 09:36:37 | mibus | you might have to go without |
| 09:36:43 | mibus | ipkg -d ext install libgtk2.0-0 |
| 09:36:50 | mibus | is installing to / not /mnt/hda |
| 09:36:52 | mibus | :-@ |
| 09:43:19 | colin_werk | Yeah, I saw your old alpha scap, which has the bg image scaled awkwardly :) |
| 09:43:34 | colin_werk | Well, I'll see it on my own in a few hours. |
| 09:46:24 | mibus | cool :D |
| 09:46:26 | mibus | good luck |
| 10:15:13 | PaxAnima | damn Discovery channel...they had to have "Scrapheap challenge" on when I was about to do some usefull report writing for my project.. |
| 10:15:45 | mibus | lol |
| 10:17:14 | PaxAnima | but I will try again now... |
| 10:17:17 | PaxAnima | ;) |
| 11:14:51 | mibus | hey mccarthy, feel like being a guinea pig? |
| 11:15:08 | mccarthy | mibus: maybe |
| 11:15:43 | mibus | using gtk2 at all? |
| 11:16:10 | mccarthy | mibus: yep |
| 11:18:56 | mccarthy | mibus: do you get "Gdk-WARNING **: Error converting from UTF-8 to STRING: Conversion from character set 'UTF-8' to 'ISO-8859-1' is not supported |
| 11:18:56 | mccarthy | " using gtk2? |
| 11:19:09 | mibus | yes |
| 11:19:12 | mibus | annoying :@ |
| 11:19:19 | mccarthy | how does one fix it? |
| 11:19:20 | mibus | wanna try my brand-new appmgr-alpha? |
| 11:19:26 | mibus | its in the feed as gpe-appmgr2 |
| 11:19:27 | mibus | um |
| 11:19:36 | mibus | PROGRAM > /dev/null? |
| 11:19:45 | mccarthy | sure, I tried my own yesturday (just compiled what you had in the skiffs...) didnt work :( |
| 11:21:21 | mccarthy | ** (gpe-appmgr:1916): WARNING **: Cannot open font file for font Verdana 10 |
| 11:21:22 | mccarthy | Segmentation fault |
| 11:21:33 | mibus | crap... |
| 11:22:03 | mibus | um |
| 11:22:09 | mibus | i wonder why it isnt working |
| 11:22:11 | mibus | any other hints? |
| 11:22:20 | mccarthy | (gpe-appmgr:1916): Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by Xlib |
| 11:22:21 | mccarthy | (gpe-appmgr:1916): Gdk-WARNING **: can not set locale modifiers |
| 11:23:00 | mibus | hmm |
| 11:23:05 | mibus | i cant install the package ATM |
| 11:23:16 | mccarthy | no problem... |
| 11:23:38 | mibus | ipkg -d ext install libgtk2.0-0 installs to / not /mnt/hda/ GRRRR |
| 11:23:38 | mccarthy | Do you think the locale issue is causing font problems? |
| 11:23:48 | mibus | hmm |
| 11:23:56 | mibus | is your gtk2 installed to / or /mnt/hda/? |
| 11:24:06 | mccarthy | in / |
| 11:25:21 | mibus | damn... |
| 11:25:26 | mibus | is confused and angry |
| 11:26:52 | mccarthy | does it matter that it was a capital V? |
| 11:27:01 | mccarthy | (I think I saw mallum using v) |
| 11:27:10 | mibus | V? |
| 11:27:12 | mibus | huh? |
| 11:27:14 | mccarthy | Verdana |
| 11:27:19 | mccarthy | rather than verdana |
| 11:27:21 | mibus | no it shouldnt |
| 11:27:30 | mccarthy | (didnt you hardcode a font...isnt that why it is complaining)? |
| 11:27:33 | mibus | im assuming other gtk2 proggies work OK? |
| 11:27:35 | mibus | nope |
| 11:27:37 | mibus | no hardcoding |
| 11:27:41 | mccarthy | mostly |
| 11:27:57 | mibus | you got a ~/.gtkrc-2.0? |
| 11:28:02 | mccarthy | gpe-login2 and gpe-ownerinfo2 are having trouble with a background, but they run ok |
| 11:28:09 | mccarthy | mibus: nope |
| 11:29:00 | mibus | im gonna have to get gtk2 installed again PROPERLY |
| 11:29:06 | mibus | and hope ipkg doesnt fuck it up again... |
| 11:29:57 | mibus | hmm |
| 11:30:02 | mibus | maybe i should just remove gtk1... |
| 11:30:20 | mibus | realises something |
| 11:33:12 | mibus | types 'mv /mnt/hda/usr/lib/ipkg /mnt/hda/usr/lib/ipkg.old' |
| 11:33:22 | mibus | hopes this will allow a CF gtk2 install like before |
| 11:37:58 | mibus | wonders if the d/l will finish before the 'net connection drops out... |
| 11:41:13 | mibus | fuck fuck fuck |
| 11:41:18 | mibus | um |
| 11:41:26 | mibus | "oops, damn" |
| 11:41:38 | mibus | its trying to install to / :@ |
| 11:41:41 | mccarthy | mibus: "no swearing on IRC" :) |
| 11:41:46 | mibus | ;) |
| 11:43:34 | mibus | well |
| 11:43:36 | mibus | ipkg is being EVIL |
| 11:43:42 | mibus | so i deserve some slack ;) |
| 11:44:42 | mibus | gah |
| 11:44:46 | mibus | i think i know whats wrong |
| 11:44:50 | mibus | GRRR BAD IPKG BAD BAD IPKG |
| 11:44:54 | mibus | oooh |
| 11:45:02 | mibus | mccarthy: do you have gpe-setbg installed? |
| 11:45:11 | mibus | the .png it provides is prolly required... |
| 11:45:42 | mccarthy | nope |
| 11:45:44 | mibus | /usr/share/pixmaps/gpe-default-bg.png |
| 11:45:45 | mccarthy | didnt help |
| 11:46:43 | mibus | is that png there? |
| 11:47:14 | mccarthy | mibus: yep... I think it is the font error....I get all the others (obviously except the seg fault) with all myother gtk2 apps, but the font one is unique |
| 11:51:07 | mibus_ | grr |
| 11:51:08 | mibus_ | d/c |
| 11:51:26 | mibus_ | /usr/share/pixmaps/gpe-default-bg.png |
| 11:51:30 | mibus_ | does that exist? |
| 11:52:40 | mccarthy | yes. the file is there |
| 11:53:49 | mibus_ | hmm |
| 11:54:04 | mccarthy | I think it is the font error....I get all the others (obviously except the seg fault) with all myother gtk2 apps, but the font one is unique |
| 11:54:16 | mibus_ | hmm |
| 11:54:20 | mibus_ | i dont know WHY it would happen tho |
| 11:54:23 | mibus_ | hmm |
| 11:54:26 | mccarthy | got me |
| 11:54:30 | mibus_ | does any window pop up or anything? |
| 11:54:33 | mccarthy | nope |
| 11:54:55 | mibus_ | well im getting gtk2 now |
| 11:55:01 | mibus_ | hopefully itll install properly this time... |
| 11:58:44 | mccarthy | anyone know why I get Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: thinice? (when I installed the deb for thinice) |
| 12:01:07 | colin_werk | The missing transparency for gpe-login2/gpe-ownerinfo2 is a known problem. |
| 12:06:50 | mibus_ | what package provides libXft.so.2? |
| 12:07:12 | mibus_ | dont worry |
| 12:07:13 | mibus_ | ;) |
| 12:07:17 | mccarthy | libxft2 |
| 12:09:21 | mibus_ | yeah i saw that |
| 12:09:25 | mibus_ | hence "dont worry" ;) |
| 12:10:03 | mccarthy | mibus_: btw, the gpe-appmgr that I built yesturday from CVS opens a window there is simply nothing in it... |
| 12:10:15 | mibus_ | hmm |
| 12:10:20 | mibus_ | tried resizing the window? |
| 12:10:42 | mccarthy | no |
| 12:10:46 | mibus_ | try it :P |
| 12:10:56 | mibus_ | is this on the ipaq? |
| 12:11:06 | mibus_ | if it is, hide and show the mb dock or something |
| 12:11:27 | mccarthy | mibus_: w00t! |
| 12:11:34 | mccarthy | looks purty |
| 12:11:35 | mibus_ | ? |
| 12:11:44 | mccarthy | resizing worked fine |
| 12:11:55 | mibus_ | CVS doesnt have appmgr-alpha |
| 12:12:03 | mibus_ | thats just 0.09 or whatever is in the feed |
| 12:12:12 | mccarthy | but it is GTK2=yes though |
| 12:12:41 | mibus_ | ah |
| 12:12:44 | mibus_ | yes |
| 12:12:49 | mibus_ | so its the gtk2 port of normal appmgr |
| 12:13:03 | mccarthy | mibus_: correct...I no longer have gtk1.2 |
| 12:13:04 | mibus_ | appmgr-alpha (which is the gpe-appmgr2 in the feed) is waaaaay cooler |
| 12:13:16 | mibus_ | it uses a custom rendering widget |
| 12:13:30 | mccarthy | well, I look forward to using it, but now I have one that works with gtk2 so I is happy (for now :) |
| 12:13:36 | mibus_ | ;) |
| 12:13:40 | mibus_ | im working on it :P |
| 12:13:49 | mibus_ | as soon as fontconfig is installed i should be OK... |
| 12:14:09 | mccarthy | well, I will keep lurking...let me know how far you get.... |
| 12:14:15 | mibus_ | yeah |
| 12:14:20 | mibus_ | a friend is coming over soon |
| 12:14:29 | mibus_ | so ill go when she gets here ;) |
| 12:15:27 | mibus_ | installing appmgr2 |
| 12:16:01 | mibus_ | grr |
| 12:16:05 | mibus_ | ipkg update is needed first ;) |
| 12:16:13 | mibus_ | i may well not get this done tonight |
| 12:16:22 | mibus_ | in which case it'll have to wait till friday :( |
| 12:16:59 | mibus_ | in my email to the list (which may never get there, i sent it twice but wasnt subscribed, grr) i explained i want a complete abscence of bug reports ;) |
| 12:17:18 | mibus_ | yay |
| 12:17:22 | mibus_ | installing appmgr2 now :D |
| 12:17:53 | flypiper | mibus_: is that in the unstable feed? |
| 12:18:09 | mibus_ | yes |
| 12:18:11 | mibus_ | gpe-appmgr2 |
| 12:18:12 | mibus_ | :D |
| 12:18:16 | mibus_ | hmm |
| 12:18:18 | flypiper | kewl.. i'll try it tonight |
| 12:18:19 | mibus_ | it cant find ok.png |
| 12:18:20 | mibus_ | dammit |
| 12:19:22 | mibus_ | ok im confused |
| 12:19:34 | mibus_ | gpe-icons is the newest... |
| 12:20:09 | mibus_ | ah |
| 12:20:13 | mibus_ | its corrupt i think |
| 12:20:19 | mibus_ | not good... |
| 12:21:00 | mibus_ | gmm |
| 12:21:01 | mibus_ | hmm |
| 12:21:06 | mibus_ | still not working after a reinstall |
| 12:21:43 | mibus_ | ahhhhh |
| 12:21:50 | mibus_ | the pixbuf loader isnt loading |
| 12:23:28 | mibus_ | *sigh* |
| 12:23:33 | mibus_ | ~ # gpe-appmgr |
| 12:23:33 | mibus_ | ** ERROR **: Failed to match any font. This could be due to a broken Xft configuration, or if you run XFree 4.1.0 due to a bug in libXrender. For more information about this, read http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68030 |
| 12:23:33 | mibus_ | aborting... |
| 12:23:33 | mibus_ | Aborted |
| 12:25:33 | mibus_ | hmm |
| 12:25:36 | mibus_ | this is very annoying |
| 12:25:40 | mibus_ | it WAS all working |
| 12:26:30 | mibus_ | hmmm |
| 12:26:36 | mibus_ | it cant find any fonts.cache files |
| 12:26:40 | mibus_ | that should matter tho right? |
| 12:36:23 | mibus_ | i wonder if its only since gtk2.1 went in... |
| 12:38:37 | mibus_ | reboots the ipaq |
| 12:43:43 | mibus_ | ah, killing GDK_USE_XFT fixes it... odd |
| 12:44:41 | mibus_ | upgrades pango |
| 12:45:39 | mibus_ | yup thats it |
| 12:45:41 | mibus_ | cool |
| 12:46:12 | mibus_ | ** (gpe-appmgr:782): WARNING **: Cannot open font file for font Verdana 7 |
| 12:46:12 | mibus_ | Gdk-ERROR **: The program 'gpe-appmgr' received an X Window System error. |
| 12:46:12 | mibus_ | This probably reflects a bug in the program. |
| 12:46:12 | mibus_ | The error was '143'. |
| 12:46:13 | mibus_ | (Details: serial 39 error_code 143 request_code 139 minor_code 8) |
| 12:46:14 | mibus_ | (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously; |
| 12:46:17 | mibus_ | that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it. |
| 12:46:19 | mibus_ | To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line |
| 12:46:20 | mibus_ | option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful |
| 12:46:22 | mibus_ | backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.) |
| 12:46:24 | mibus_ | aborting... |
| 12:46:27 | mibus_ | Aborted |
| 12:46:28 | mibus_ | that it? |
| 12:47:46 | mibus_ | it probably needs to be recompiled against gtk2.1 |
| 12:58:52 | colin_werk | BBL |
| 12:58:58 | mibus_ | ciao |
| 13:14:35 | mibus_ | yup recompile is fine |
| 13:14:36 | mibus_ | very cool |
| 13:21:04 | mibus_ | fixed!!!!! |
| 13:21:22 | mibus_ | uploaded 0.10 to unstable |
| 13:21:40 | mibus_ | scapped too! |
| 13:21:41 | mibus_ | yay |
| 13:21:45 | mibus_ | goes to bed |
| 13:21:47 | mibus_ | :D |
| 14:08:38 | mccarthy | mibus rocks! |
| 14:11:21 | nelson | why? |
| 14:11:35 | nelson | appmgr2? |
| 14:17:11 | mccarthy | yes |
| 14:17:18 | mccarthy | it is nice...I like gtk2 |
| 14:27:07 | mccarthy | cmarqu_: could the ownerinfo2 and login2 probs be the same as mibus's? |
| 14:28:34 | cmarqu_ | mccarthy: actually, there is no gpe-ownerinfo2 yet |
| 14:28:59 | cmarqu_ | parentrelative doesn't seem to work like it did in GTK1, that's why gpe-login2 is not transparent |
| 14:29:05 | mccarthy | cmarqu_: oh, well I built one.... |
| 14:29:12 | cmarqu_ | And the rest is just working fine for me. |
| 14:29:18 | cmarqu_ | Ah. |
| 14:29:40 | mccarthy | cmarqu_: but mibus's new appmgr I think does the same thing... (the parentrelative thing) |
| 14:30:10 | cmarqu_ | Hmm. I don't know. And pb did that part of the code anyway :) |
| 14:30:55 | cmarqu_ | mibus seems to have fixed all his problems now, but transparency wasn't among his latest problems, right> |
| 14:30:59 | cmarqu_ | ? |
| 14:31:59 | mccarthy | cmarqu_: I dont know....maybe I will look at it... |
| 14:33:33 | cmarqu_ | mccarthy: How did you build gpe-ownerinfo2? Do you have patches to submit? |
| 14:34:05 | mccarthy | cmaqu: nope, I had to hack the Makefile after the autogen... I am not smart enough to doe it "the right way" tm |
| 14:34:56 | cmarqu_ | Ah. Well, I am pondering getting rid of the autostuff... |
| 14:37:05 | mccarthy | cmarqu_: then it is easy...it compiles file against gtk2 already |
| 14:37:18 | mccarthy | (except maybe for some tweak to get transparency working) |
| 14:37:58 | cmarqu_ | Cool. I never tried... |
| 14:38:19 | mccarthy | damn. mibus didnt commit his changes to gpe-appmgr to CVS (that bastard :) |
| 14:39:52 | cmarqu_ | Ah. |
| 14:40:10 | cmarqu_ | mccarthy: How do you find the Caliban font on scap? |
| 14:40:20 | cmarqu_ | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.23639.png |
| 14:42:25 | cmarqu_ | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.8456.png shows the same font with autohinting. Not really nice, but very readable. |
| 14:44:01 | cmarqu_ | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.9982.png -wahey! same in 6 pt! |
| 14:44:43 | PaxAnima | starting to get small.. |
| 14:45:10 | cmarqu_ | But it's still very readable. More readable than Verdana 6 |
| 14:45:40 | cmarqu_ | I now think that autohinting is worth a try with other free fonts. |
| 14:45:52 | PaxAnima | autohinting? |
| 14:45:57 | cmarqu_ | Yup. |
| 14:46:11 | cmarqu_ | My first link is without autohinting. |
| 14:46:16 | cmarqu_ | Nils did it with pfaedit |
| 14:46:23 | PaxAnima | what is autohinting? |
| 14:46:35 | cmarqu_ | The resulting font is OTF, not TTF, but it doesn't matter for our purposes. |
| 14:46:38 | cmarqu_ | Ah. |
| 14:47:11 | cmarqu_ | Well, adding hinting information with an algorithm. Hinting is telling the font how to look nice at small sizes. |
| 14:47:20 | PaxAnima | ok |
| 14:47:44 | cmarqu_ | Without hinting, you get something like http://handhelds.org/scap/port.14098.png |
| 14:47:56 | cmarqu_ | i.e., thin lines just vanish |
| 14:48:16 | PaxAnima | oh, that's ugly ;) |
| 14:48:37 | cmarqu_ | I'll have to try the autohinted Caslon too. |
| 15:58:59 | mccarthy | nelson: how do you plan to handle the permissions issue on the at dir and trigger file? |
| 16:02:32 | nelson | mccarthy: chmod -R 1777 /var/spool/at |
| 16:02:47 | nelson | I think that's what it is, anyway. It's the sticky bit -- the same one that /tmp uses. |
| 16:05:52 | mccarthy | nelson: will that go in the /etc/init.d/atd script? |
| 16:06:08 | mccarthy | will it matter if there are already jobs listed there? (permissions-wise) |
| 16:13:34 | mccarthy | nelson: is there any way to get atd to run the script *as the user who set it*?! |
| 16:13:46 | mccarthy | I am having device ownership issues |
| 16:19:35 | nelson | YEs, in the /etc/init.d/atd script. |
| 16:19:43 | nelson | No it won't matter if there are already jobs theere. |
| 16:20:05 | nelson | mccarthy: that's on my (unpublished) TODO list for atd. |
| 16:20:21 | nelson | it's trivially easy. stat/setuid. |
| 16:20:21 | mallum | pb_: hello ! |
| 16:20:44 | mccarthy | pb_: hi there |
| 16:21:30 | mccarthy | unfriendly bastard |
| 16:21:32 | mccarthy | :) |
| 16:22:28 | prpplague | lol |
| 16:23:23 | mccarthy | nelson: can I capture stderr from an at script? |
| 16:23:40 | mccarthy | I cant figure out why it wakes up but doesnt run the job... |
| 16:29:55 | dc_ | indeed... |
| 16:34:32 | pb_ | hmm |
| 16:34:33 | pb_ | mccarthy: take that back. |
| 16:34:33 | mccarthy | ;) |
| 16:35:57 | mccarthy | pb_: I cannot for the life of me figure why at jobs will "fire" but not actually run gpe-announce :( |
| 16:35:57 | dc_ | :] |
| 16:36:13 | dc_ | looks around confused |
| 16:36:28 | pb_ | mccarthy: what happens exactly? |
| 16:36:33 | mccarthy | (BTW, mibus made a nice new gpe-appmgr2 and I am soone to upload a gpe-kbd2, a libsoundgen1, and a gpe-announce2) |
| 16:37:00 | mccarthy | pb_: it wakes and erases the file from the spool dir |
| 16:37:02 | mccarthy | #!/bin/sh |
| 16:37:02 | mccarthy | /usr/bin/gpe-announce 'test' |
| 16:37:02 | mccarthy | /bin/rm $0 |
| 16:37:04 | mccarthy | is the script |
| 16:37:12 | pb_ | yeah, I installed appmgr2 just now. |
| 16:37:15 | mccarthy | i.e., it seems to skip the middle |
| 16:37:18 | dc_ | it looks very nice indeed. |
| 16:37:38 | dc_ | steals mibus code for gpe-filemanager2 |
| 16:37:43 | pb_ | mccarthy: suggest (a) set -x |
| 16:37:57 | mccarthy | pb_: too bad he never uploades the source to CVS so we could see how he handles the transparency... |
| 16:38:05 | pb_ | (b) check $DISPLAY |
| 16:38:07 | mccarthy | pb_: what is a set -x? |
| 16:39:40 | cmarqu_ | Hi pb_, hi dc_ |
| 16:39:49 | pb_ | mccarthy: suggest (a) set -e (duh) |
| 16:39:49 | dc_ | hey cmarqu_:] |
| 16:40:03 | dc_ | watches phil |
| 16:40:07 | pb_ | cmarqu: hi |
| 16:40:12 | mccarthy | I still dont know what set -e is :) |
| 16:40:12 | cmarqu_ | I installed autohinted versions of nils' fonts, not bad. Very readable at least. |
| 16:40:20 | dc_ | watches pb_ frantikly type on his iPAQ |
| 16:40:22 | cmarqu_ | See scap |
| 16:41:00 | cmarqu_ | So, where are the pictures you took? |
| 16:43:06 | mccarthy | pb_: no DISPLAY variable set....that could be it... |
| 16:43:18 | mccarthy | I *still* dont know what set -e does (nor how to do it) |
| 16:44:02 | pb_ | mccarthy: suggest |
| 16:44:09 | pb_ | yes. |
| 16:44:21 | mccarthy | pb_: ? |
| 16:44:28 | pb_ | "help set" |
| 16:45:15 | cmarqu_ | Ah, new sodipodi out. That was fast. |
| 16:45:28 | mccarthy | pb_: ahh, ok |
| 16:45:32 | pb_ | mccarthy: I am typing on xkbd, it is painful to enter long bits of prose. :-} |
| 16:45:43 | mccarthy | pb_: no problem |
| 16:46:19 | mccarthy | pb_: you dont mind me uploading a gpe-kbd2, do you? (I committed a new Makefile and a control1, but otherwise did nothing) |
| 16:46:33 | pb_ | but mallum is establishing a better workstation for me, stay tuned |
| 16:46:50 | pb_ | sure, go for it. |
| 16:47:24 | mccarthy | pb_: got it to pop up a window now, but no sound... |
| 16:48:22 | pb_ | mccarthy: hmm |
| 16:48:58 | pb_ | aha |
| 16:49:01 | pb__ | aha |
| 16:49:06 | pb__ | much better |
| 16:49:48 | pb__ | mccarthy: you may be falling foul of permissions on the sound device, maybe? |
| 16:49:55 | mccarthy | pb_: if I chmod a+s the script it should run as me right? so I avoid sound issues? |
| 16:50:14 | pb__ | mccarthy: you cannot have setuid scripts. |
| 16:50:14 | mccarthy | unless someone other than the alarmee is logged in... |
| 16:50:23 | mccarthy | pb_: oh yeah... duh |
| 16:50:58 | pb__ | so, I dunno what the answer to that is.# |
| 16:50:59 | mccarthy | so I guess I need nelson to fix atd for me then... |
| 16:51:14 | pb__ | uh, probably, what's wrong with it? |
| 16:51:40 | mccarthy | pb_: he can write it so the script is run as the owner can't he? |
| 16:51:52 | pb__ | oh, yes, probably. |
| 16:51:59 | pb__ | Moray seemed to think it did that already. |
| 16:53:10 | mccarthy | I dont think so |
| 16:53:18 | mccarthy | (nelson doesnt either :) |
| 16:56:23 | pb__ | Ah. |
| 16:56:40 | pb__ | cmarqu_: What was the thing on scap? |
| 16:57:09 | pb__ | good riddance to him. |
| 16:58:11 | pb__ | mccarthy: set -e makes the script stop executing when it encounters an error, rather than ploughing on regardless. |
| 16:59:45 | cmarqu_ | pb__: Nils' fonts. Caliban mainly, and a Monotype font. Autohinted with pfaedit. |
| 16:59:52 | mallum | moray is here now |
| 17:00:08 | cmarqu_ | Hi mallum, hi moray |
| 17:03:45 | dc_ | bbl |
| 17:05:28 | pb__ | cmarqu_: Are those the same scaps you had yesterday, or different ones? |
| 17:06:19 | cmarqu_ | Different. Yesterday was without hinting. |
| 17:06:28 | pb__ | Ah. |
| 17:06:52 | cmarqu_ | The small font is 6 pt |
| 17:07:41 | pb__ | In the rxvt? |
| 17:07:53 | pb__ | Scap is a bit full, I was having trouble figuring out which image you were talking about. |
| 17:12:20 | mccarthy | nelson: any issue with me uploading a new atd that changes the /etc/init.d/atd script (I tested it)? |
| 17:14:04 | cmarqu_ | pb__: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.9982.png -- this one for instance |
| 17:15:20 | pb__ | Hmm. |
| 17:15:29 | pb__ | Better, perhaps, but still not something I would want to use. |
| 17:16:24 | cmarqu_ | I'll try it for a while. |
| 17:17:25 | pb__ | Righty ho. |
| 17:17:52 | pb__ | mccarthy: are you entirely GTK 2 based now? |
| 17:17:59 | mccarthy | pb__: yep |
| 17:18:05 | cmarqu_ | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.8456.png - this just needs the n's and m's fixed. |
| 17:18:17 | pb__ | mccarthy: cool. |
| 17:18:29 | pb__ | cmarqu_: yeah, it was the "m"s that stuck out as offensive. |
| 17:18:57 | mccarthy | pb__: its *much* purtier...I am messing with themes now.... |
| 17:19:02 | mccarthy | any suggestions? |
| 17:19:14 | cmarqu_ | pb__: I'll try to play with http://pfaedit.sourceforge.net/TtfMod/ maybe. Cannot figure out pfaedit's manual hinting |
| 17:19:39 | pb__ | mccarthy: talk to mallum, he is the thememaster |
| 17:19:53 | mccarthy | mallum: gtk2 theme suggestions? |
| 17:21:54 | mallum | mccarthy: um .... |
| 17:22:23 | mallum | mccarthy: Im playing with 'thincream' which looks quite nice ... |
| 17:22:43 | mccarthy | scap and where did you get it? |
| 17:22:52 | mallum | art.gnome.org |
| 17:23:09 | mallum | mccarthy: there are some still on gnome I believe |
| 17:23:09 | mccarthy | oh, its not packaged already by debian? |
| 17:23:24 | mallum | mccarthy: no, I'll package it up soon, one I've tweaked the gtkrc a bit for it |
| 17:29:45 | mccarthy | pb__: esdctl unloack would let anyone play sound.... |
| 17:33:50 | pb__ | ok. |
| 17:34:11 | mccarthy | damn it depends on libaudiofile though... |
| 17:34:19 | mccarthy | (I hate adding new libraries) |
| 17:38:39 | pb__ | I don't think it should. |
| 17:39:42 | mccarthy | pb__: works like a charm |
| 17:39:50 | mccarthy | but that damn libaudiofile is *big* |
| 17:40:01 | mccarthy | maybe it canbe built onits own without it... |
| 17:40:49 | pb__ | Yeah. I don't really think this whole esdctl unlock thing is a good idea though. |
| 17:40:58 | mccarthy | pb__: why not. |
| 17:43:12 | pb__ | Well, it rather flies in the face of our collective efforts to enforce ownership of the sound device. |
| 17:43:51 | pb__ | I'm not at all sure I trust esd's security enough to allow it to talk to random processes owned by other users while running as me. |
| 17:44:51 | mccarthy | pb__: you are probably right, we are *never* going to release anything are we :) |
| 17:47:46 | nelson | mccarthy: no problem, go for it. |
| 17:48:06 | mccarthy | nelson: how hard is the "run as owner" thing? |
| 17:49:03 | nelson | mccarthy: in theory, stderr in an atd script goes to the same place as atd's stderr. |
| 17:49:49 | mccarthy | nelson: thanks. I figured my problem and it has to do with the sound dev's ownership (which you could fix for me :) |
| 18:01:03 | mccarthy | pb__: could make a gtk1.2 version of gpe-announce and gpe-calendar when you get a chance? I have uploaded new gtk2 versions, but need to wait for admin@handhelds.org to do gdk-pixbuf stuff for me before I can update the gtk1.2 |
| 18:33:50 | jg | pb__, mallum: you here? |
| 18:44:32 | jsmanrique | hi! |
| 18:53:12 | mallum | jg: yes |
| 18:53:26 | mallum | jg: we are all round mine, eating dinner ... dc and moray are here too |
| 18:54:40 | jsmanrique | good dinner! |
| 19:19:40 | pb__ | jg: hi |
| 19:31:17 | jsmanrique | did you remember when I asked about the posibility of a t9 for handhelds to use a similar keyboard than a phone: |
| 19:31:18 | jsmanrique | http://www.casio.co.jp/release/2002/images/dt_5100/dt5100_02L.jpg |
| 19:45:29 | pierre | is away: Occupé |
| 19:54:49 | nelson | mccarthy: it's not infinitely hard. |
| 19:57:00 | jsmanrique | did you remember when I asked about the posibility of a t9 for handhelds to use a similar keyboard than a phone: |
| 19:57:02 | jsmanrique | http://www.casio.co.jp/release/2002/images/dt_5100/dt5100_02L.jpg |
| 20:23:39 | mccarthy | pb__: nevermind, Nick fixed the ipaqs so I built and uploaded them... |
| 20:24:44 | mccarthy | nelson: the "alarming" of gpe-calendar is depending on it! ;) ... the run-as-owner thing |
| 20:31:06 | cmarqu_ | Night all. |
| 20:31:16 | pb__ | night cmarqu_ |
| 20:44:24 | nelson | mccarthy: yep, I know. |
| 20:47:34 | mccarthy | later all |
| 20:58:42 | nelson | damn but I like python. |
| 21:25:25 | pb__ | dc_! |
| 21:25:29 | dc_ | pb__: ! |
| 21:25:35 | dc_ | what a supprise to meet you here |
| 21:26:19 | mallum | dc_, pb__: ooh hello ! |
| 21:26:51 | pb__ | dc_: yeah, had nothing better to do this evening. |
| 21:26:55 | dc_ | omg, what are you all doing here? |
| 21:27:07 | dc_ | joins #opie |
| 21:27:26 | PaxAnima | dc_ is spying on the enemy... ;) |
| 21:27:34 | r1c3d0de | who, who heard me? |
| 21:27:39 | r1c3d0de | PaxAnima: shhhh |
| 21:27:49 | r1c3d0de | okay here's the game |
| 21:28:17 | r1c3d0de | first one to be spotted as an X11 user on #opie goes out |
| 21:28:20 | r1c3d0de | and so on |
| 21:28:28 | r1c3d0de | untill the winner is revealed |
| 21:28:38 | r1c3d0de | as the 133t3st opie spy |
| 21:28:45 | r1c3d0de | invade! |
| 22:30:08 | dc_ | hey |
| 22:30:35 | dc_ | treke: if you have unstable as a feed, you can just ipkg install gpe-appmgr2... |
| 22:31:12 | treke | dc_: But does gpe itself use gtk1.2 or gtk2.0? I assume you have a set of core libraries for use with gpe |
| 22:31:30 | pb__ | It can use either. |
| 22:31:41 | dc_ | treke: most off the app have two versions in unstable right no |
| 22:31:42 | dc_ | now |
| 22:31:54 | dc_ | like gpe-calendar and gpe-calendar2 |
| 22:32:00 | dc_ | they can install either one.. |
| 22:32:03 | dc_ | they both work. |
| 22:32:09 | dc_ | but gtk2 is fun |
| 22:32:13 | treke | Are you trying to transition from one to the other, or do ou plan to maintain both verions? |
| 22:32:42 | dc_ | we're pretty much moving to gtk2.0 but not any time tooo soon |
| 22:32:55 | treke | hmm. ok |
| 22:36:37 | Flyfishn | Hello everyone |
| 22:42:44 | dc_ | hu |
| 22:42:46 | dc_ | hi |
| 22:47:28 | Flyfishn | How do I know if a app is for GPE or Opie |
| 22:47:30 | Flyfishn | backgammon_0.6.1_arm.ipk..ipk |
| 22:48:10 | Flyfishn | How do I install packages now..is there a tutorial somewhere that I can check out? |
| 22:48:19 | treke | thats for opie |
| 22:50:37 | dc_ | gpe apps are named gpe-* :] |
| 22:51:24 | Flyfishn | so if they are not named gpe then they are opie? Just curious because I had a few apps and most all were named with opie or gpe |
| 22:51:30 | Flyfishn | so I just wanted to find out. |
| 22:51:44 | treke | no. |
| 22:52:06 | treke | official opie apps start with opie and gpe apps start with gpe |
| 22:52:25 | treke | other apps may run whichever environment without any indication in the name |
| 22:52:32 | dc_ | normaly X11 :/ |
| 22:52:43 | treke | or qtopia |
| 22:52:47 | treke | :/ |
| 22:53:02 | pb__ | I guess you can usually look at the dependencies to figure it out. |
| 22:53:15 | pb__ | And, as of familiar 0.6, apps ought to be segregated into the two feeds. |
| 22:54:22 | Flyfishn | I see... |
| 23:45:16 | prpplague | mallum: howdy |
| 23:46:20 | prpplague | mallum: what are the possibilities of having a list of apps that mb does create deco for? |
| 23:48:52 | mallum | prpplague: you can use old style motif hints for your window not to get any deco |
| 23:49:52 | prpplague | mallum: well i tried that, but the apps that i setup that way had very bad effect under mb |
| 23:51:10 | mallum | prpplague: how do you mean ? |
| 23:51:52 | prpplague | mallum: well, the top left corner was shifted down and to the right 10 |
| 23:51:56 | prpplague | mallum: pixels |
| 23:52:59 | mallum | prpplague: hmm, okey - wanna put the app somewhere ( or mail me ) and Ill take a look... |
| 23:53:41 | mallum | prpplague: I could well have broken the motif stuff ... havn't tested it in a while |
| 23:54:46 | prpplague | mallum: ok, you want it in x86 or arm? |
| 23:55:02 | mallum | prpplague: src idealy ... |
| 23:55:12 | prpplague | mallum: its fltk |
| 23:55:38 | prpplague | mallum: you geared up for fltk? |
| 23:55:50 | mallum | ooh err missus |
| 23:56:06 | mallum | yeah can be |
| 23:57:32 | prpplague | mallum: lol |
| 23:58:03 | prpplague | mallum: i'll pack it up with some notes and get it to you tomorrow if thats ok? |
| 23:58:17 | mallum | prpplague: cool |
| 23:58:22 | mallum | prpplague: bedtime now |
| 23:58:29 | prpplague | mallum: thanks |
| 23:58:36 | mallum | prpplague: I'll have a look and fix it up |
| 23:58:52 | prpplague | mallum: i'll be working on getting mb into openzaurus buildroot tonight |
| 23:59:28 | dc_ | zzz |
