| 00:15:57 | ade | is away: bedtime for little people like me |
| 00:19:43 | pigeon | screams. |
| 01:54:13 | pigeon | Hmm what's the difference between keyctl and keylaunch in gpe cvs? |
| 06:50:32 | Zindar | Hi all |
| 08:03:53 | pb_ | morning |
| 08:06:05 | mallum | hey pb_ |
| 08:06:25 | pb_ | yo mallum |
| 08:07:05 | pb_ | mallum: Owen has checked in the fix for your gdk bug. |
| 08:08:15 | mallum | pb_: cool |
| 08:08:22 | mallum | pb_: my ipaq is going mad |
| 08:09:03 | mallum | pb_: the screen just switched to what looked like an old bouncing bars demo |
| 08:10:03 | pb_ | mallum: hmm |
| 08:10:16 | mallum | pb_: I dont thin k it likes my old sleeve very much |
| 08:10:19 | pb_ | mallum: sounds like you have been stricken by the old "bad joint on LCD connector" syndrome :-( |
| 08:10:30 | pb_ | mallum: oh, yeah, it could be that too. |
| 08:10:46 | pb_ | mallum: some sleeves and CF cards do cause weird onscreen effects. |
| 08:11:16 | mallum | pb_: I had the bad joint before when sid dropped my old one :( |
| 08:11:27 | pb_ | ah. |
| 08:22:25 | mallum | pb_: yeah its definetly something to do with the sleeve / wireless card wierd things happen |
| 08:22:43 | mallum | pb_: I have to get a new usb cable ... |
| 08:25:03 | pb_ | mallum: know anywhere good to buy them? I could do with a usb cable too. |
| 08:25:45 | mallum | pb_: hmm, TCR I guess ... try and get one with the power too |
| 08:26:15 | mallum | pb_: oh yeah what do you want to do about meeting up tommorow - I meeting dc at victoria at 10:30 |
| 08:28:26 | pb_ | mallum: is the expo at Olympia again? |
| 08:29:16 | mallum | pb_: yeah I think so |
| 08:29:28 | mallum | pb_: you come into kings cross right ? |
| 08:30:01 | pb_ | mallum: right |
| 08:32:05 | pb_ | mallum: I could probably meet you guys at Victoria too, or at Olympia a little later. |
| 08:33:30 | pb_ | let me check the train times from Cambridge. |
| 08:33:37 | mallum | pb_: okey what evers easiest - itd be good if we can all go in togeather just in case we have problems with getting dc in |
| 08:34:42 | pb_ | mallum: agreed |
| 08:35:38 | mallum | pb_: do you wanna hook up at victoria then ? |
| 08:35:57 | mallum | pb_: IIRC victoria is kind of on the way from kings cross -> olympia |
| 08:37:00 | pb_ | mallum: ok, there's a train gets in to Kings Cross at 10:07. So that should get me to Victoria about 10:30. |
| 08:37:26 | mallum | pb_: cool |
| 08:37:53 | mallum | pb_: I have to go to the tate now ... but I'll give you my cell num later |
| 09:45:23 | moray | pb_: so have you got a fake beard for dc_? or you could hide him inside a large cardboard box... ;) |
| 09:47:14 | pb_ | moray: Yeah, we need to devise some cunning plan there. |
| 09:47:38 | pb_ | moray: Maybe we can get the Debian people to sneak him in through the loading bay. |
| 09:56:36 | moray | true, I doubt there'd be the same checks there - though I don't know if the people at the front are told to check or not either |
| 09:59:01 | pb_ | Mallum thinks not. I don't remember enough about previous events to say either way. |
| 11:32:36 | jsmanrique | hi! |
| 11:32:52 | jsmanrique | how long since last time I've been here! |
| 11:32:52 | PaxAnima | h |
| 11:32:52 | PaxAnima | i |
| 11:33:15 | jsmanrique | but, I've installed (at last) Debian Woody in my PC |
| 12:53:55 | pb_ | jg: are you there? |
| 13:05:14 | colin_werk | BBL |
| 13:22:28 | pb_ | prpplague: morning |
| 13:22:39 | prpplague | pb_: morning |
| 13:22:45 | prpplague | how goes it everyone? |
| 13:22:55 | prpplague | are we happy little gtk coders this morning? |
| 13:23:44 | pb_ | prpplague: we are always happy little gtk coders, you should know that by now. |
| 13:25:06 | mccarthy | hi all.... |
| 13:25:10 | pb_ | hi mccarthy |
| 13:26:00 | mccarthy | pb_: I made a list of packages that may or may not have been installed by "ipkg install gpe" (they would have come in the bootgpe if not) that all depend on libgtk1.2 |
| 13:26:21 | mccarthy | pb_: are we trying to rebuild all of them? |
| 13:26:27 | mccarthy | (i.e., do you care?) |
| 13:27:39 | pb_ | mccarthy: yes, we would ultimately like to end up with everything built against libgtk2.0 |
| 13:27:42 | jg | pb_: just got there... |
| 13:28:00 | pb_ | mccarthy: if you have identified further applications that need porting, suggest you add them to the AppsNotYetPorted page. |
| 13:28:13 | mccarthy | pb_: didnt know there was one... |
| 13:28:18 | pb_ | jg: ah, hello |
| 13:29:00 | pb_ | jg: did you see the discussion we had yesterday evening regarding the locale support in xlib and the window title problem with gtk 1? |
| 13:29:14 | pb_ | mccarthy: it's in the wiki, linked from CurrentThingsToDo. |
| 13:30:07 | jg | no, I didn't: was having dinner with keithp and blizzard, and then got screwed by the T. |
| 13:31:32 | pb_ | jg: ah, fair enough. |
| 13:32:08 | jg | do you understand the window title problem? |
| 13:32:10 | pb_ | jg: my current theory on the window titles problem is that it is caused by Gdk 1 using XmbSetWMProperties() to do its work, which seems to be dependent on xlib having valid locale information available. |
| 13:32:20 | jg | ah so. |
| 13:32:38 | pb_ | jg: the people who are seeing the window title thing also report that they get "locale not supported by Xlib" messages at application startup, which would suggest something is missing. |
| 13:32:40 | jg | I'll try to fix that when I repackage next (maybe later this week). |
| 13:32:55 | mccarthy | pb_: you dont happen to have a machine that doesnt have a terribly slow net connection for me to build things on do you?! (I havent gotten to europa.armlinux.org for *days*!) |
| 13:33:12 | pb_ | mccarthy: not other than the handhelds.org skiffcluster. |
| 13:33:17 | mccarthy | ant the ipaq cluster doesnt have all the libs I need installed |
| 13:33:20 | jg | pb_: the freetype 2 stuff is in the tree. |
| 13:33:26 | pb_ | jg: ah, excellent. |
| 13:33:30 | jg | Have to fix things to build against it shared. |
| 13:34:22 | mccarthy | gdk-pixbuf is not installed on the ipaq cluster.... havent tried the skiffs |
| 13:34:22 | jg | so there is a little work to do, but not much |
| 13:34:47 | pb_ | jg: ok, sounds like progress at least. |
| 13:36:50 | prpplague | anyone of you guys programmed a applet for gnome panels using gtk? |
| 13:37:40 | pb_ | jg: on the window titles thing, I think I can easily patch gdk to use a different method of setting the title if that would be easier/better than making locales work in xlib. |
| 13:38:57 | jg | pb_: but that might present other problems. Let me look into it. It was I was clueless about where to look. |
| 13:39:11 | pb_ | mccarthy: I'm sure admin@handhelds.org would be happy to install gdk-pixbuf. |
| 13:39:24 | pb_ | jg: righto. |
| 13:39:32 | mccarthy | pb_: not directly gpe stuff but dillo and gdk-pixbuf are not ported... |
| 13:39:49 | pb_ | mccarthy: gdk-pixbuf is part of Gtk nowadays. |
| 13:40:06 | pb_ | mccarthy: as for dillo, patches exist but you are right, there is no package. |
| 13:44:13 | mccarthy | pb_: how does one build with libgtk2 for the ported apps? is it somewhat universally done in the Makefile (i.e., setting an enviorment variable)? |
| 13:46:46 | mccarthy | I would love to have gpe-login, gpe-appmgr, and dillo ported then I would heave libgtk1.2 etc.... |
| 13:46:47 | pb_ | mccarthy: usually with "make GTK2=yes" |
| 13:46:47 | pb_ | mccarthy: I'm fairly sure gpe-login will build with gtk2. Not so sure about appmgr, you might have trouble there. |
| 13:46:48 | mccarthy | pb_: ok. cool. now if only I could get to a machine that had the proper build environ... |
| 13:46:49 | mccarthy | pb_: the wiki page says in progress (dont know how up to date it is...and mibus never actually commits his changes anyway :) |
| 13:47:40 | pb_ | mccarthy: I don't know what the current status is. |
| 13:47:46 | pb_ | mccarthy: you would have to talk to our man down under. |
| 13:48:04 | pb_ | mccarthy: you could consider living without gpe-appmgr for a bit and relying on mbmenu. |
| 13:48:55 | mccarthy | pb_: yeah, but I still need to build gpe-login (and possibly gpe-soundbite and gpe-ownerinfo) |
| 13:49:33 | pb_ | sure, but that's just a case of locating a suitable machine to do the build, right? |
| 13:49:42 | mccarthy | pb_: I guess I would want gpe-setbg if I had no appmgr :) |
| 13:49:56 | mccarthy | pb_: yep, all of them say "ported" |
| 13:50:00 | pb_ | like I say, the handhelds.org admins are normally willing to accomodate requests for extra packages to be installed. |
| 13:50:54 | mccarthy | pb_: what do I need for the gtk2 stuff? just gtk2 and libglib2 |
| 13:51:17 | mccarthy | pb_: oops. Looks like I need to port gpe-announce...how does one do that....? |
| 13:51:48 | pb_ | mccarthy: it may be that no porting is required: just try building against gtk2 and see what happens. |
| 13:51:56 | pb_ | mccarthy: if you get errors, they are normally fairly self explanatory. |
| 13:52:06 | mccarthy | pb_: ok...we'll see |
| 13:58:45 | mccarthy | pb_: weird errors with make install for gpe-icons... |
| 13:58:53 | mccarthy | /bin/sh: -c: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `(no,yes)' |
| 14:01:41 | pb_ | mccarthy: ah yes |
| 14:02:18 | pb_ | mccarthy: Damien has been at the makefile. Suggest you back it out to the previous version. |
| 14:02:38 | mccarthy | pb_: I just hand editted it for now... |
| 14:03:15 | mccarthy | pb_: I am bad at CVS so I either erase and re-checkout or update and commit...depending on if I am hacking or really coding |
| 14:03:35 | cmarqu_ | mccarthy: pierre has installed gdk-pixbuf in his home on the skiffs |
| 14:03:41 | mccarthy | pb_: I have a dialog window issue... |
| 14:04:05 | mccarthy | cmarqu_: I will just ask for someone to install gtk2 stuff on the ipaqs... |
| 14:04:19 | cmarqu_ | mccarthy: that would be better of course, yes |
| 14:04:23 | mccarthy | (and stop working on gtk1.2 stuff entirely for now) |
| 14:04:48 | pb_ | mccarthy: what's the issue? |
| 14:05:17 | mccarthy | `GTK_WINDOW_DIALOG' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 14:05:26 | pb_ | mccarthy: use GTK_WINDOW_TOPLEVEL instead. |
| 14:05:29 | mccarthy | pb_: any good reference for finding the changes... |
| 14:05:39 | pb_ | mccarthy: see the porting guide on the gnome website. |
| 14:05:47 | pb_ | mccarthy: there is also some stuff on the Gtk site. |
| 14:06:21 | pb_ | going to collect a parcel, back in 15 minutes |
| 14:35:02 | mccarthy | pb_[away]: ok. a little harder than I thought, but I got it going.... |
| 14:49:23 | pb_ | mccarthy: ok, cool. |
| 14:50:32 | mccarthy | pb_: I had to rebuild libgpe as well....(nils has a really messed up tree for that...do you think he would get angry if I rearranged it now that I ported libgpe?) |
| 14:50:59 | pb_ | mccarthy: probably best to ask him first. |
| 14:51:03 | pb_ | mccarthy: I agree that the libgpe tree does seem a little messed up as it stands. |
| 14:51:08 | pb_ | mccarthy: btw, what functions from libgpe are you using? |
| 14:51:16 | mccarthy | pb_: the make noise function... |
| 14:51:27 | pb_ | aha. |
| 14:51:33 | mccarthy | pb_: I guess I could simply steal it out.... |
| 14:51:36 | pb_ | mccarthy: that seems like something which belongs in a separate library anyway. |
| 14:51:50 | pb_ | mccarthy: making noises is not remotely GPE specific. |
| 14:51:58 | mccarthy | pb_: ok, I just didnt know if libgpe was going to die now that we arent going to use the rtcd... |
| 14:52:01 | pb_ | mallum: yo |
| 14:52:30 | mallum | pb_: hey |
| 14:52:40 | pb_ | mccarthy: I'm not sure. I've never been too keen on having this monster library that's a grab-bag of miscellaneous stuff. |
| 14:53:13 | pb_ | mccarthy: the instant you put a function into a library with "gpe" in the name, it becomes infinitely more difficult to get folks like OPIE to share it. |
| 14:53:14 | mallum | pb_: wierdest thing happened today, I woke my laptop up near a lift motor and big generator ( in the tate ) and it starting screaming and the screen went all wierd |
| 14:53:40 | pb_ | mallum: wow, bizarre. |
| 14:53:57 | pb_ | mallum: I didn't realise the tate was still a working power station as well ;-) |
| 14:54:06 | mccarthy | pb_: how come I can run make ipkg on europa? (why doesnt the chown barf?) |
| 14:54:19 | pb_ | mccarthy: no idea |
| 14:54:28 | pb_ | mccarthy: maybe you have more privs than you think. |
| 14:54:44 | mccarthy | pb_: I wouldnt do that if I were you :) |
| 14:55:06 | pb_ | mccarthy: heh |
| 14:55:32 | mccarthy | pb_: I am not malicious simply dumb ;) |
| 14:56:00 | mallum | pb_: no, I don think it is ... it was just near there main power switchboard ( or whatever ) |
| 14:56:10 | mallum | pb_: it was really scary but laptop was ok |
| 14:57:42 | pb_ | ha. |
| 15:00:23 | mallum | hmm, this maybe of interest to glade people : http://www.gnomedesktop.org/article.php?sid=692 |
| 15:01:07 | pb_ | aha. |
| 15:05:16 | pb_ | mccarthy: so anyway, about this sound generator, I suggest you make a separate library for it with a politically neutral name. |
| 15:06:27 | pb_ | mccarthy: ie, no mention of gpe or ipaq. |
| 15:09:19 | mallum | mccarthy: yeah and then crank an 808 emulator into it |
| 15:17:24 | mallum | http://www.evolution.com/ |
| 15:19:28 | mallum | pb_: apparently there will be cheeap zaraus's at the show ( 300 quid ) |
| 15:19:57 | cmarqu_ | ibot: change 300 quid into euro |
| 15:20:01 | | cmarqu_: 300.00 (Dollar (ZWD)) makes 5.60549 (Euro (EUR)) |
| 15:20:09 | cmarqu_ | ZWD? |
| 15:20:27 | pb_ | mallum: yes, so I heard. |
| 15:20:38 | pb_ | mallum: maybe I can be tempted. |
| 15:20:44 | cmarqu_ | Zimbabwe? |
| 15:20:55 | pb_ | I guess. |
| 15:20:57 | cmarqu_ | I was even right be accident... |
| 15:21:00 | pb_ | ibot, currency for zimbabwe? |
| 15:21:03 | | pb_: Zimbabwe uses Dollar (ZWD) |
| 15:30:22 | pb_ | back later. |
| 15:32:41 | mallum | jg: id you softlink libxft to libxft2 , matchbox + xkbd both work fine |
| 15:45:06 | jg | mallum: interesting. |
| 15:49:06 | mallum | jg: I use only simple xft calls... |
| 15:58:03 | jg | mallum: keithp's eyes get *really big*! |
| 16:06:56 | mallum | jg: did you poke him in both ! ? |
| 16:08:58 | mallum | jg: BTW, did you get a chance to pull anything from scap ? |
| 16:17:03 | jg | mallum: Yup. |
| 16:17:13 | jg | I pulled a number of nice AA shots. |
| 16:17:19 | jg | Thanks. |
| 16:17:34 | jg | No, his eye's bugged out that you happened to luck out between xft1 and xft2. |
| 16:17:45 | jg | There is a good reason they are different major versions.... |
| 16:18:01 | jg | You, sir, should consider yourself very lucky! |
| 16:19:08 | mallum | jg: yeah well I only use about 3 xft calls |
| 16:19:40 | mallum | jg: I added a couple more to scap BTW ( lanscape mode ) |
| 16:20:07 | mallum | jg: I working on the autocrap in matchbox distro so you can compile against xft1 or 2 |
| 16:21:23 | mallum | jg: oh and I got font config set up no problem on my laptop :) |
| 16:23:10 | mallum | pb_: hi |
| 16:23:25 | mallum | pb_: did you get round to trying any of the display migration stuff in gtk2.1 ? |
| 16:24:56 | pb_ | mallum: not really |
| 16:25:05 | pb_ | mallum: but gtk-demo is packaged, so you should be able to test it easily. |
| 16:25:13 | pb_ | mallum: hi, by the way. |
| 16:25:23 | mallum | pb_: :) |
| 16:25:39 | mallum | pb_: Id like to hack something into figment maybe to demo tommorow :) |
| 16:25:45 | pb_ | mallum: cool idea. |
| 16:26:17 | pb_ | mallum: with a wireless lan you could probably make quite a neat demo. |
| 16:28:02 | mallum | pb_: yeah though my wireless card only seems to work reliably with power plugged in :( |
| 16:28:05 | pb_ | btw, I just uploaded a gtk2-based gpe-login. |
| 16:28:16 | pb_ | oh, and a new session-scripts with the "extra" Xstroke removed. |
| 16:28:16 | mallum | pb_: oooh, and xkbd still embedded ok ? |
| 16:28:25 | pb_ | mallum: haven't actually tested that yet. |
| 16:28:50 | pb_ | mallum: my ipaq is in a state of some disarray, I uninstalled all the gtk1 packages this afternoon and haven't quite put a working system back together. |
| 16:29:04 | mallum | pb_: I cant actually find anything in gtk-demo to represent display migration ... |
| 16:29:14 | pb_ | mallum: "Change Display" is the bit you want. |
| 16:29:34 | pb_ | mallum: assuming I actually packaged the right program, which is by no means a given. |
| 16:30:12 | mallum | pb_: it looks like gtk-demo for gtk2.0 got packaged ... ? |
| 16:30:47 | mallum | pb_: BTW did you just install gtk2.1 over the top of gtk2 debs on your dev machine ? |
| 16:31:15 | pb_ | mallum: oh whoops |
| 16:31:17 | pb_ | mallum: yes I did. |
| 16:31:27 | mallum | pb_: you are a bad man |
| 16:31:54 | mallum | pb_: now inevitably Im gonna start doing that ( again ) and before long one of us is gonna be in trouble :( |
| 16:32:14 | mallum | pb_: and it will probably be me ;) |
| 16:32:15 | pb_ | cringes |
| 16:32:17 | pb_ | heh |
| 16:33:07 | mallum | pb_: I was thinking about dropping the gtk2.1 src into the src of the 2.0 deb .... |
| 16:33:15 | pb_ | mallum: yeah, that would probably work. |
| 16:33:24 | pb_ | mallum: hmm, it looks like I did package the right gtk-demo |
| 16:33:34 | pb_ | mallum: can you md5sum /usr/bin/gtk-demo for me? |
| 16:33:47 | pb_ | should be: 7bcd189d1a739d732b1916863ea280f5 gtk-demo |
| 16:34:01 | pb_ | and this one does include the "change display" stuff. |
| 16:34:23 | mallum | /home/mallum # md5sum /usr/bin/gtk-demo |
| 16:34:23 | mallum | 7bcd189d1a739d732b1916863ea280f5 /usr/bin/gtk-demo |
| 16:34:33 | mallum | looks the same to me ... |
| 16:34:36 | pb_ | looks the same to me too. |
| 16:34:37 | pb_ | hmm |
| 16:34:57 | mallum | pb_: yeah its there |
| 16:35:00 | mallum | ;( |
| 16:35:11 | mallum | pb_: my crap eyesight ... |
| 16:35:14 | pb_ | ah. |
| 16:35:41 | pb_ | hmm, usbnet has quit working for me again. |
| 16:35:55 | dc_ | damn |
| 16:36:14 | mallum | jesus, it works :) |
| 16:36:26 | pb_ | yay |
| 16:36:41 | mallum | that is scary |
| 16:37:23 | PaxAnima | what's scary? |
| 16:37:33 | mallum | life in general |
| 16:37:47 | PaxAnima | I know.... |
| 16:37:55 | mallum | gtk2.1 display migration |
| 16:38:05 | PaxAnima | oh.. what does it do? |
| 16:38:26 | mallum | moves apps between diplays |
| 16:38:39 | mallum | pb_: did you have to upgrade pango with gtk2.1 ? |
| 16:38:49 | pb_ | mallum: I don't remember |
| 16:38:59 | pb_ | mallum: there is certainly a new pango package, but I'm not sure if it is strictly required. |
| 16:39:32 | mallum | pb_: okey, will suck and see |
| 16:39:52 | pb_ | sounds best. |
| 16:40:33 | mallum | I need to see the source of this puppy ... |
| 16:41:37 | mallum | pop it in a toolbar window ... and then will in theory be able to migrate any gtk2 app :) |
| 16:42:32 | pb_ | Yeah, that would rock. |
| 16:42:49 | mallum | this evenings hack .... |
| 16:43:09 | pb_ | cool. |
| 16:44:39 | pb_ | curses ipkg under his breath |
| 16:45:24 | pb_ | mallum: I'll build a new gtk2 ipk in the next couple of hours with that gdk fix in and the latest pixbuf code. |
| 16:51:45 | mallum | pb_: cool |
| 16:53:54 | pb_ | argh! |
| 16:54:11 | pb_ | I need to figure out some way to prevent mixing up libgpewidget and libgtk versions. |
| 16:54:30 | pb_ | Looks like the new gpe-login2 is linked against libgpewidget0 :-( |
| 16:54:49 | pb_ | reads the fine linker manual |
| 16:56:30 | pb_ | mallum: btw, xkbd embedding seems to work fine with gtk 2 |
| 16:58:54 | mccarthy | pb_: yippee... ipaq3 (and soon all, I guess) can now build gtk2 ipk.... |
| 16:59:03 | pb_ | mccarthy: cool |
| 17:00:07 | pb_ | mccarthy: I just uploaded a version of gpe-login2 that should really work. |
| 17:00:16 | pb_ | mccarthy: you need 0.23-1, plus session-scripts 0.20-1 |
| 17:00:32 | mccarthy | pb_: great....I will upload gpe-announce2 (and I guess gpe-announe :) soon... |
| 17:00:40 | pb_ | mccarthy: excellent. |
| 17:00:55 | mccarthy | pb_: I guess I need to upload libgpe1.... |
| 17:01:00 | mccarthy | :( |
| 17:01:02 | pb_ | mccarthy: wait! |
| 17:01:05 | mccarthy | should I wait for nils? |
| 17:01:36 | pb_ | mccarthy: is this for the audio thing? |
| 17:01:44 | mccarthy | pb_: yep |
| 17:02:03 | pb_ | mccarthy: like I said earlier, I would really prefer to see this in a different library, rather than reintroduce a dependency on libgpe. |
| 17:02:37 | mccarthy | pb_: so you think I theive the sound code and make it libbeep or something? |
| 17:02:43 | pb_ | mccarthy: yes, please. |
| 17:02:52 | mccarthy | name suggestions? |
| 17:03:03 | pb_ | mccarthy: besides which, I can't actually see any gtk dependency in libgpe anyway, so I don't really understand why a .so.1 package is required in the first place. |
| 17:03:12 | pb_ | mccarthy: libbeep is fine with me. |
| 17:03:25 | mccarthy | pb_: libglib2 dependency |
| 17:03:27 | pb_ | mccarthy: maybe canvas opinion on #handhelds.org |
| 17:03:39 | pb_ | mccarthy: oh yes, I didn't notice that. |
| 17:10:02 | mccarthy | pb_: how about libsoundgen.... since that is what Nils called his source... |
| 17:10:38 | pb_ | OK with me, I guess. |
| 17:14:16 | pb_ | Yay, I now have something approaching a usable system on my ipaq again. |
| 17:14:24 | pb_ | At least, I can log in, and run some GTK 2 apps. |
| 17:25:34 | mccarthy | pb_: you *already* uploaded the fixed gpe-login2? |
| 17:25:38 | pb_ | Yes. |
| 17:25:50 | pb_ | In fact, 0.24 is the one you need. |
| 17:25:58 | pb_ | 0.23-1 will run, but it won't actually let you log in. |
| 17:28:39 | mccarthy | pb_: is your background image showing in the gpe-login part? I get a black page... |
| 17:29:58 | pb_ | mccarthy: do you have gpe-setbg2 installed? |
| 17:30:08 | mccarthy | pb_: no such package :) |
| 17:30:22 | mccarthy | pb_: no gpe-ownerinfo2 either (hint, hint :) |
| 17:30:23 | pb_ | mccarthy: look again |
| 17:30:35 | pb_ | Downloading http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/gpe-setbg2_0.01_arm.ipk |
| 17:31:00 | mccarthy | pb_: OK, must have just missed it..thanks. |
| 17:31:14 | pb_ | mccarthy: not that it actually seems to work for me, mind. |
| 17:31:37 | mccarthy | pb_: wow! that made it worse....now gpe-ownerinfo is fscked as well.... |
| 17:31:43 | pb_ | ha! |
| 17:34:15 | pb_ | hmm, it looks like parentrelative is not working in gtk 2 for some reason. |
| 17:34:28 | pb_ | I don't know what the matter is there. |
| 17:44:06 | mccarthy | pb_: ? |
| 17:44:07 | mccarthy | ../libgpewidget/libgpewidget.so: undefined reference to `gtk_type_is_a' |
| 17:44:17 | pb_ | no idea |
| 17:57:03 | mallum | pb_: coll ( re xkbd ) |
| 17:57:48 | mccarthy | ls |
| 17:57:50 | mccarthy | oops |
| 17:59:56 | mallum | pb_: when you built gtk2.1 did the configure give you warning about xft being present but not compilable ? |
| 18:00:05 | pb_ | mallum: not that I remember |
| 18:00:11 | pb_ | mallum: do you want me to consult the log? |
| 18:00:22 | mallum | pb_: yeah if thats ok |
| 18:00:57 | pb_ | mallum: I don't see anything obvious in config.log. |
| 18:01:13 | pb_ | mallum: this was gtk not pango, right? |
| 18:01:41 | mallum | yeah |
| 18:01:56 | pb_ | weird |
| 18:02:06 | mallum | I'll give it a shot anyways |
| 18:02:09 | pb_ | hang on, I'll run another build on the x86 |
| 18:03:08 | pb_ | mallum: nope, no xft warnings, just a few about Xinerama. |
| 18:04:02 | prpplague | pb_: looks like your crusing right along on the gtk2 stuff |
| 18:04:09 | pb_ | damn right |
| 18:04:23 | pb_ | is generally known as gtk2master |
| 18:04:24 | BBrox | pb_: oh, so GTK+ 2.1.0 is out ? |
| 18:04:34 | pb_ | BBrox: yeah, a week or so ago now. |
| 18:04:38 | prpplague | is going to try and get mb and gpe running on his libretto |
| 18:04:49 | BBrox | pb_: hmmm, going to build it... Display migration sounds nice :-) |
| 18:04:56 | pb_ | BBrox: the GPE list is always last with the news :-) |
| 18:05:18 | mallum | BBrox: nils will beat us if we speak og gtk2 |
| 18:05:26 | mallum | ;) |
| 18:05:40 | pb_ | mallum: yeah, I am standing by for a blistering response on the mailing list. :-/ |
| 18:06:12 | mallum | pb_: heh, yeah just saw the post |
| 18:06:15 | BBrox | Hmmm, no mention at all on the GTK+ site about 2.1 :-) |
| 18:06:19 | prpplague | pb_: master wasn't what i was going to say, lol, more like whore,lol |
| 18:06:28 | mallum | pb_: but on my 32Mb paq I only have 44% usage |
| 18:06:41 | BBrox | And I suppose that Pango also supports the new FontConfig stuff ? |
| 18:06:46 | pb_ | prpplague: damn, you saw through me. |
| 18:06:49 | mallum | BBrox: yep |
| 18:06:52 | pb_ | BBrox: yes. |
| 18:06:52 | prpplague | pb_: lol |
| 18:07:17 | BBrox | Hmmmm, I almost feel like rebuilding X (to have RandR + Font stuff) and Gtk 2.1 :-) |
| 18:07:26 | pb_ | mallum: gtk2 fits quite comfortably on my 16MB ipaq now I have removed the 1.2 libraries. |
| 18:07:39 | prpplague | mallum: whats the status of mb cvs? pretty stable? |
| 18:09:31 | pb_ | BBrox: here is the announcement for 2.1.0: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-announce-list/2002-September/msg00080.html |
| 18:09:53 | pb_ | BBrox: beware the libgnomeui thing if you use GNOME: I was temporarily hosed until I built a fixed library. |
| 18:10:18 | BBrox | pb_: Gnome is for weenies, I use fvwm :-) |
| 18:10:33 | mallum | prpplague: nearly exactly the same as release |
| 18:10:39 | mallum | pb_: ha! :) |
| 18:10:42 | pb_ | BBrox: ah, then you can laugh in the face of libgnomeui |
| 18:10:56 | mallum | BBrox: you are living in the eighties |
| 18:11:08 | prpplague | mallum: .3.5 lastest? |
| 18:11:11 | mallum | BBrox: did you know twm is older than dc ... |
| 18:11:12 | pb_ | BBrox: do you allow yourself fvwm 2, or 1.x only? |
| 18:11:14 | mallum | prpplague: yep |
| 18:11:24 | prpplague | mallum: ok, thanks |
| 18:11:50 | prpplague | mallum: i'm going to try and get the buildroot makefiles checked into the openzaurus cvs this evening |
| 18:12:06 | BBrox | pb_: man, fvwm2 is too recent.. 1.24r is the only one ! |
| 18:12:42 | pb_ | BBrox: right, best to let others shake out all the bugs first. |
| 18:12:45 | mallum | prpplague: cool |
| 18:16:07 | mccarthy | pb_: I got gpe-ownerinfo and gpe-appmgr to compile with gtk2... |
| 18:16:21 | pb_ | mccarthy: great |
| 18:16:29 | mccarthy | pb_: I *think* ownerinfo works fine (but it is hard to tell with the weird gpe-setbg thing) |
| 18:16:36 | pb_ | mccarthy: please don't upload appmgr without asking mibus first |
| 18:16:39 | mccarthy | pb_: gpe-appmgr doesnt :( |
| 18:16:48 | pb_ | ah. |
| 18:16:49 | mccarthy | pb_: I wasnt going to upload anything... |
| 18:16:57 | pb_ | mccarthy: cool, just checking. |
| 18:17:08 | pb_ | mccarthy: does ownerinfo not have a non-transparent mode? |
| 18:17:09 | mccarthy | pb_: oh well...I am outta here. |
| 18:17:20 | mccarthy | pb_: I dont know |
| 18:17:25 | pb_ | oh well. |
| 18:17:33 | mallum | pb_: doh, I think that bug was important |
| 18:17:38 | mccarthy | pb_: I simply have that black background so it is hard to tell if the black text is there or not :) |
| 18:17:40 | mallum | s/bug/warning/ |
| 18:17:45 | pb_ | mallum: :-/ |
| 18:17:48 | mccarthy | pb_: I *do* see the penguin though |
| 18:17:50 | pb_ | mccarthy: heh |
| 18:17:58 | mccarthy | later |
| 18:18:02 | pb_ | mccarthy: later |
| 18:19:06 | mccarthy | pb; btw, I made libsoundgen so I will upload gpe-announce and libsoundgen tomorrow... |
| 18:19:19 | mccarthy | to CVS and possibly unstable |
| 18:21:23 | pb_ | mallum: it has progressed to a full-blown error now, then? |
| 18:22:24 | mallum | pb_: yeah gtk2 apps just bomb out with xft errors |
| 18:22:37 | pb_ | mallum: oh dear |
| 18:22:41 | pb_ | mallum: what sort of errors? |
| 18:22:57 | mallum | ** ERROR **: Failed to match any font. This could be due to a broken Xft configuration, or if you run XFree 4.1.0 due to a bug in libXrender. For more information about this, read http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68030 |
| 18:23:05 | pb_ | ah. |
| 18:24:48 | cmarqu_ | I got this on my laptop when I didn't have xfonts-scaled installed. |
| 18:25:51 | prpplague | mallum: are you building tinyx fresh? |
| 18:26:38 | mallum | prpplague: no, gtk2.1 |
| 18:27:55 | prpplague | anyone here build tinyx fresh from xfree 4.1.0 ? |
| 18:28:04 | mallum | pb_: you have fontconfig installed on the machine you built gtk2.1 on ? |
| 18:28:14 | pb_ | mallum: yes |
| 18:28:19 | pb_ | mallum: fcpackage 2.0 |
| 18:28:49 | mallum | pb_: hmm, can you just check what pango version you have ? |
| 18:29:24 | pb_ | mallum: kind of hard to tell, but I have libpangoxft-1.0.so.100.1. |
| 18:29:33 | pb_ | mallum: I think this is pango 1.1.1 |
| 18:29:43 | mallum | pb_: yeah I think that could be the problem ... |
| 18:29:56 | pb_ | you're using an older pango? |
| 18:32:36 | pb_ | dc_: evening |
| 18:32:36 | dc_ | okay |
| 18:32:56 | dc_ | I havn't got much time (free net access isn't working...) |
| 18:33:04 | pb_ | :-/ |
| 18:33:05 | dc_ | pb_: hey :) |
| 18:33:06 | dc_ | hum |
| 18:33:10 | dc_ | mallum: ;} |
| 18:33:35 | mallum | dc_: hey |
| 18:33:39 | pb_ | jg isn't here, shall I do the gag about hey being for horses? |
| 18:33:56 | dc_ | mallum: can you send me a copy of your theme files ;) |
| 18:34:11 | dc_ | pb_: heh |
| 18:38:07 | dc_ | hey nils |
| 18:38:12 | nils | Hi folks! Just thought I'd let you know that I have fixed the atd thing. It should be usable as expected now. Patches for kernel and atd and on their way (nelson: check your mailbox ;) |
| 18:38:25 | nils | I will try to update gpe-alarm these days too... |
| 18:38:33 | nils | Hi dc ;) |
| 18:39:38 | mallum | dc_: what theme files you want ? |
| 18:40:25 | dc_ | mallum: the matchbox camo one |
| 18:40:35 | dc_ | mallum: with the funky font... |
| 18:40:46 | mallum | dc_: okey, you got the font though right ? |
| 18:40:47 | pb_ | nils: sounds cool. |
| 18:41:05 | nils | Apropos font ;) Has anyone yet tried the freettf fonts I uploaded to unstable? |
| 18:41:28 | dc_ | mallum: yep |
| 18:41:49 | mallum | pb_: built pango - warnings gone ;) |
| 18:41:58 | pb_ | mallum: phew! |
| 18:42:02 | nils | mallum: What do you think? I have auto-hinted them also into otf ones which look a little better. |
| 18:42:45 | mallum | pb_: if I hack out a quick app - will you build it on arm ? It'll take forever for me to get gtk2.1 built on my arm machine .... |
| 18:43:05 | mallum | nils: havn't tried yet ... give me a mo |
| 18:43:07 | pb_ | mallum: sure thing |
| 18:43:13 | mallum | pb_: cool |
| 18:43:22 | nils | We should somehow build a free TTF package with default fonts for the applications to use as long as jg does not come up with the replacements for the M$ fonts (no offense...). |
| 18:43:51 | mallum | nils: whats the package called ? |
| 18:44:02 | mallum | nils: uh is it the luxi fonts ? |
| 18:44:21 | nils | mallum: freettf if I am not mistaken... Not luxi ... those are there now? |
| 18:44:28 | mallum | 's laptop burns lap |
| 18:44:43 | pb_ | mallum: pango too hot to handle, huh? |
| 18:44:44 | mallum | nils: not that I know of ... |
| 18:45:10 | mallum | pb_: the fan dont seem to be kicking in on the machine which is a little worrying ... |
| 18:45:30 | dc_ | hehe |
| 18:45:38 | dc_ | mallum: oh dear... |
| 18:45:43 | pb_ | mallum: nasty |
| 18:45:45 | nils | mallum: It's freettf_0.1_all.ipk ... |
| 18:46:05 | pb_ | mallum: let's hope the cpu doesn't melt its way through the board and out the bottom of the case :-) |
| 18:46:41 | mallum | pb_: yeah and onto my 'crown jewels' |
| 18:46:52 | nils | If you get the first seg-faults on compiles then TURN IT OFF IMMEDIATELY ;) |
| 18:47:21 | mallum | nils: yeah, my firwall used to do that |
| 18:47:37 | mallum | nils: I had to open it up and put a deskfan next to it to compile a kernel |
| 18:47:41 | dc_ | kicks royal mail |
| 18:47:49 | dc_ | my damn badge hasn' come :/ |
| 18:48:03 | pb_ | dc_: never mind, they can print a new one at the door |
| 18:48:06 | mallum | dc_: mine niether, just say you name on the door as long as you've registered |
| 18:48:29 | dc_ | mallum: yeah |
| 18:48:40 | mallum | dc_: I'm bringing a bigish bag with me, I plan to put you in that if any problems ;) |
| 18:49:00 | pb_ | dc_: just remember to put on a deep voice when saying your name, and try to look really old. |
| 18:49:13 | dc_ | finds the pair of stilts |
| 18:49:33 | mallum | dc_: yeah I shaved my beard of and am bringing it with some glue |
| 18:49:42 | dc_ | mallum: great idea! |
| 18:49:44 | dc_ | hehe |
| 18:50:13 | nils | mallum / dc: Just out of curiosity: Where are you going to meet? |
| 18:50:58 | mallum | nils: UK linux expo |
| 18:51:02 | dc_ | finds the scientific name of hight defficiency problem. |
| 18:51:36 | dc_ | that'll make them stay quiet |
| 18:52:11 | nils | mallum / dc: Already feared that I would be the only one not beeing able to go to the CRL hacking weekend ;) |
| 18:53:23 | mallum | dc_: Im dcc'ing you the theme.xml file cos I am now 3113t IRC user |
| 18:53:45 | dc_ | mallum: that's just wonderfull mallum |
| 18:54:01 | pb_ | mallum: surely you should be known as ma11um |
| 18:54:06 | mallum | dc_: can you recieve it then ? |
| 18:54:15 | dc_ | hum... |
| 18:54:22 | dc_ | I actualy don't think so... |
| 18:54:32 | dc_ | dctanner@magenet.com would probly be safer. |
| 18:54:33 | nils | mallum: Shall I send you the OTF fonts by email or DCC? Uncompressed ~1MB ... |
| 18:54:51 | dc_ | packs his red bull supply |
| 18:55:11 | pb_ | dc_: they sell that stuff in the big city you know |
| 18:55:31 | mallum | nils: prolly mail -> breakfsast@10.am |
| 18:55:35 | dc_ | pb_: yeah, I jus got a few I need to finish off :] |
| 18:55:41 | pb_ | dc_: heh |
| 18:55:48 | dc_ | nearly finished my box :] |
| 18:55:55 | nils | mallum: OK! |
| 18:57:22 | nils | mallum: On their way ... ( *** squeezing through ISDN line *** ) |
| 18:58:06 | mallum | nils: :) ta very much sir |
| 18:58:41 | dc_ | downloads theme.xml :) |
| 18:58:46 | nils | mallum: De rien ;) |
| 18:59:10 | nils | OK, gotta go and fix me something to eat... good night folks! CU |
| 18:59:16 | mallum | pb_: hokey kokey pig in a pokey - gtk2.1 is built and functioning ;) |
| 18:59:19 | mallum | nils: gnight |
| 18:59:25 | pb_ | mallum: cool |
| 19:02:13 | cmarqu_ | So, you will be taking photos I hope? |
| 19:02:25 | prpplague | mallum: dude, i just did a make on a x86 box for .3.5 , ton of warnings |
| 19:02:31 | pb_ | cmarqu_: Incessantly. |
| 19:02:39 | dc_ | mallum: how can I seem my matchbox startup errors? |
| 19:02:48 | dc_ | mallum: it crashes at login :/ |
| 19:03:25 | cmarqu_ | pb_: you gotta find some nice looking girl and make her the GPE chick |
| 19:03:35 | cmarqu_ | Then, we have a nicer chick than OPIE |
| 19:03:46 | pb_ | :-) |
| 19:03:59 | pb_ | cmarqu_: I'm not quite sure that the expo is the best place to go looking. |
| 19:04:05 | dc_ | sweet idea cmarqu_ |
| 19:04:11 | prpplague | cmarqu_: lol |
| 19:04:12 | mallum | prpplague: there are some warnings with the dock build |
| 19:04:14 | dc_ | cmarqu_: what's the opie chick anyway? |
| 19:04:56 | prpplague | ray.c: In function `tray_send_message': |
| 19:04:56 | prpplague | tray.c:123: warning: implicit declaration of function `strlen' |
| 19:04:56 | prpplague | tray.c:133: warning: implicit declaration of function `memcpy' |
| 19:05:07 | cmarqu_ | dc_: this chicken thing they have as a logo, the fledgling |
| 19:05:15 | mallum | prpplague: hmmm, havn't seen those before ... |
| 19:05:29 | pb_ | cmarqu_: oh, that's what it's supposed to be! |
| 19:05:33 | dc_ | cmarqu_: hmm |
| 19:05:40 | cmarqu_ | pb_: What else? |
| 19:05:40 | dc_ | maby we can come up with something better |
| 19:05:47 | mallum | dc_: where did you put the theme.xml file ? |
| 19:05:49 | dc_ | a r3al ch1ck :D |
| 19:06:02 | cmarqu_ | dc_: right :) |
| 19:06:15 | dc_ | mallum: in a new folder called camo2 with all the other camo files, but the theme.xml replaced with the new one |
| 19:06:35 | cmarqu_ | imagines wonderful things |
| 19:06:39 | prpplague | i tried to sell scanline on a picogui moto - "when you need the galmour and beauty of a supermodel but can on afford the girl nextdoor" |
| 19:07:07 | cmarqu_ | prpplague: :) |
| 19:08:45 | mallum | dc_: hmm, how are you starting matchbox ? |
| 19:08:57 | mallum | dc_: and whats in ~/.mbtheme ? |
| 19:09:02 | pb_ | mallum: new gdk is uploaded now. |
| 19:09:10 | mallum | pb_: woohoo |
| 19:09:20 | dc_ | /usr/share/matchbox/themes/camo2 |
| 19:10:33 | dc_ | pb_: hum... |
| 19:10:56 | dc_ | pb_: could you err possibly be able to build the bluecurve-engine for GTK2? |
| 19:11:05 | prpplague | cmarqu_: you need to find some body building chick, she can show up as a french maid, "GPE- the enviroment that not only looks great, but is powerful too!" then she can rip of the uniform and show off her muscles |
| 19:11:09 | dc_ | pb_: It's got some really nice themes for it. |
| 19:11:16 | dc_ | http://art.gnome.org/images/thumbnails/gtk2/Bluecurve-Okayish-Shot.png |
| 19:11:48 | dc_ | they look like they'd be great...considering the cool flat buttons. |
| 19:11:58 | mallum | dc_: wierd .. does camo normal still work ? |
| 19:12:09 | mallum | dc_: and you have that font installed ? |
| 19:12:10 | dc_ | mallum: yep |
| 19:12:15 | dc_ | very sure. |
| 19:12:31 | dc_ | kidkosmic.ttf |
| 19:12:40 | dc_ | the font even works with my gtk2 themes. |
| 19:12:51 | mallum | dc_: ok open theme.xml and try removing the ecodong=xxx part of the kid kosmik font line |
| 19:13:33 | prpplague | mallum: you use debian for you desktop? |
| 19:13:35 | mallum | dc_: also could you do an ls -la on /usr/X11R6/lib/libxft.1.so |
| 19:13:37 | mallum | prpplague: yeah |
| 19:14:29 | prpplague | mallum: hmm, i seem to run into this alot, seems the rhat includes seem to not have string.h somewhere in the main headers |
| 19:15:01 | dc_ | <font id="pretty" def="Kid Kosmic-7:bold" /> |
| 19:15:10 | pb_ | dc_: I'll see what I can do |
| 19:15:15 | dc_ | pb_: yay :D |
| 19:15:16 | pb_ | dc_: do you have a url for the source? |
| 19:15:59 | mallum | dc_: yep |
| 19:16:15 | mallum | dc_: any joy ? |
| 19:16:17 | pb_ | dc_: yeah, that does look kind of cool. |
| 19:16:45 | dc_ | mallum: no :{ |
| 19:17:34 | mallum | dc_: damn, thats wierd |
| 19:18:10 | mallum | dc_: what happens if you run matchbox from a ssh connection - does it tell you anything ? |
| 19:18:27 | dc_ | Dont know what to do with a DEFANGED_frame tag |
| 19:18:53 | prpplague | mallum: any idea about this error - |
| 19:18:54 | prpplague | mbmenu.c: In function `new_app': |
| 19:18:55 | prpplague | mbmenu.c:441: warning: implicit declaration of function `menu_set_theme_from_root_prop' |
| 19:19:38 | dc_ | pb_: for gtk2 http://www.gnome.org/~aldug/gnome2/files/gtk2-bluecurve-engine-0.29.tar.gz an for gtk1 http://www.gnome.org/~aldug/gnome2/files/gtk-bluecurve-engine-0.29.tar.gz |
| 19:19:47 | dc_ | pb_: it'd be nice to have both. |
| 19:20:04 | pb_ | dc_: you don't ask for much |
| 19:20:18 | dc_ | man heaps of cool bluecurve themes :) |
| 19:20:21 | dc_ | pb_: hehe. |
| 19:20:24 | pb_ | dc_: but! I get 403 Forbidden on the gnome2 one |
| 19:20:49 | dc_ | oh dear... |
| 19:20:53 | pb_ | And the gtk1 one in fact. Are you able to download the files? |
| 19:20:59 | dc_ | no... |
| 19:21:13 | pb_ | :-/ |
| 19:21:49 | mallum | dc_: you copied in all the images file to camo2 right ? |
| 19:21:55 | dc_ | yep |
| 19:25:11 | mallum | dc_: ok setting <font id="pretty" def="Kid Kosmic-7:bold|mono" /> |
| 19:26:15 | dc_ | mallum: :/ |
| 19:26:18 | dc_ | mallum: still no luck |
| 19:27:21 | dc_ | Dont know what to do with a DEFANGED_frame tag |
| 19:27:21 | dc_ | Segmentation fault |
| 19:27:22 | dc_ | :/ |
| 19:27:23 | mallum | dc_: does matchbox tell you anything ? |
| 19:27:41 | dc_ | that's all it tells me |
| 19:27:55 | mallum | dc_: have you edited the xml file at all ? |
| 19:28:20 | mallum | dc_: and you are running matchbox 0.3.5 right ? |
| 19:28:24 | dc_ | hum |
| 19:28:25 | dc_ | indeed. |
| 19:32:28 | prpplague | mallum: any idea on that implicit declaration error? |
| 19:32:33 | dc_ | pb_: well the engine is made my redhat |
| 19:32:46 | pb_ | dc_: so I see. |
| 19:32:53 | pb_ | dc_: perhaps it is not freely distributable. |
| 19:33:01 | dc_ | :[ |
| 19:33:24 | mallum | dc_: all I can think is the theme.xml file somehow got corrupt - looking at is it it valid ? |
| 19:34:13 | mallum | dc_: matchbox only trys a little to save itself from bad xml .... |
| 19:34:47 | dc_ | just reinstalling...the rm'd the original camo dir by accident :. |
| 19:34:49 | dc_ | :/ |
| 19:39:20 | mallum | dc_: okey |
| 19:39:56 | mallum | dc_: I've been promised a brand new XML parser ... and also 0.4 will have the option to link against expat |
| 19:41:17 | dc_ | right.. :) |
| 19:41:17 | dc_ | good. |
| 19:45:41 | jg | mallum: new X bits already have expat dependency. |
| 19:46:25 | mallum | dc_: still you probably wouldn't have a working theme though, just a better error message ;) |
| 19:47:00 | mallum | jg: yes, but matchbox builds on non xft XServers too :) |
| 19:47:07 | dc_ | yay |
| 19:47:22 | dc_ | mallum: I just replaced the font name in a copy of camo/theme.xml |
| 19:47:45 | dc_ | does a woot |
| 19:47:45 | dc_ | man thse unamed windows are a pain though |
| 19:48:02 | jg | mallum: I packaged expat separately. |
| 19:48:10 | jg | So you can just call out to it. |
| 19:48:27 | jg | it isn't part of the base X packages. |
| 19:51:42 | dc_ | hum |
| 19:53:22 | pb_ | dc_: ? |
| 19:53:26 | mallum | jg: cool, I just meant I want to keep matchbox as small possible with as few dependencies - thats why it has its own mini built in xml parser - It makes sense for it however for it to have a compile time option to link against a more feature rich parser like expat |
| 19:53:44 | mallum | jg: if the target machine has the space ( like the ipaq ) |
| 19:54:03 | mallum | dc_: cool, the theme.xml must have got corrupt :( |
| 19:54:15 | dc_ | mallum: yeah, |
| 19:54:24 | dc_ | mallum: probly my webmail. |
| 19:54:42 | mallum | dc_: ah |
| 19:55:09 | mallum | dc_: hmm display migration isn;t going as well as hoped |
| 19:55:22 | pb_ | mallum: oh dear, what's up? |
| 19:56:19 | prpplague | feel likes an idiot, he just got Xnest running |
| 19:56:27 | mallum | pb_: well it still works fine, but I kind of assumed you could select any gtk2 app with the pointer ... but it appears only ones running in the demo :( |
| 19:56:55 | mallum | pb_: I was hoping it sent some kind of xmessage to the app telling it to change display ... but it dont |
| 19:57:00 | prpplague | i've been testing my stuff on a seperate box evertime |
| 19:57:08 | pb_ | mallum: ah. |
| 19:57:23 | pb_ | mallum: well, presumably that could be arranged. |
| 19:57:34 | pb_ | mallum: I guess it would require a gtk patch though. |
| 19:57:39 | mallum | pb_: yeah, but not in a couple of hours ... |
| 19:57:44 | pb_ | yeah. |
| 19:57:45 | pb_ | :-/ |
| 19:58:04 | pb_ | oh well. |
| 19:58:18 | mallum | pb_: best I can suggest for now is patch the demo app, so the change display window becomes a toolbar - thus allowing you to easily get at moving any of the demo apps ... |
| 19:58:34 | mallum | pb_: rather than just the toplevel one |
| 19:58:42 | mallum | pb_: ( this is in matchbox of course ) |
| 19:58:44 | jg | mallum, pb: we have work to do there to help out owen... |
| 19:58:48 | jg | should be fun. |
| 19:58:53 | jg | I gotta run to my train. |
| 19:58:54 | jg | Bye... |
| 19:58:57 | pb_ | jg: bye |
| 19:58:57 | mallum | jg: chow |
| 19:59:53 | mallum | pb_: what do you reckon ? |
| 20:00:04 | pb_ | mallum: sure, we could do that. |
| 20:00:17 | mallum | pb_: I can get you a patch in a mo .... |
| 20:00:17 | pb_ | mallum: you wanna make a patch? |
| 20:00:24 | pb_ | cool. |
| 20:00:42 | mallum | pb_: Im gonna remove the screens part of the dialog to make it smaller ... |
| 20:00:46 | pb_ | sure |
| 20:01:11 | pb_ | trying to compile gtk2 dillo |
| 20:01:43 | dc_ | yay! |
| 20:01:56 | pb_ | well, not exactly, it's going quite badly. |
| 20:01:56 | dc_ | pb_: that'll be very nice to show off ;] |
| 20:02:00 | dc_ | hehe |
| 20:02:04 | pb_ | I'm sure you can guess why. |
| 20:02:15 | dc_ | heh,,, |
| 20:02:52 | dc_ | puts some oggs on his CF card. |
| 20:02:59 | dc_ | and a copy of /. |
| 20:03:03 | dc_ | :] |
| 20:05:57 | dc_ | gnumeric! |
| 20:05:58 | dc_ | haha |
| 20:06:00 | dc_ | cool :D |
| 20:06:07 | pb_[autohell] | wow |
| 20:06:14 | dc_ | in unstable |
| 20:06:16 | dc_ | I want that. |
| 20:06:22 | dc_ | it's be awsome....o |
| 20:06:25 | dc_ | or even abiword. |
| 20:06:26 | dc_ | hehe |
| 20:06:30 | pb_ | oh yeah, that GNOME guy did that. |
| 20:06:42 | dc_ | it seems |
| 20:06:50 | pb_ | looks like automake 1.6 was the magic version this time. |
| 20:07:05 | dc_ | yay |
| 20:09:02 | pb_ | hmm |
| 20:09:07 | pb_ | jffs2 is leaking space again. |
| 20:09:16 | dc_ | eek |
| 20:09:24 | pb_ | hates it when that happens |
| 20:12:20 | dc_ | pb_: gpe-contacts2 not in unstable? |
| 20:12:21 | pb_ | dc_: hmm, no. |
| 20:12:21 | pb_ | dc_: you want that I try to make a package? |
| 20:12:21 | dc_ | pb_: well it works already right? |
| 20:12:21 | pb_ | dc_: more or less |
| 20:12:22 | pb_ | dc_: it's not very feature-complete, but I think what is there does work. |
| 20:12:49 | pb_ | dc_: just a case of assembling the control file and stuff. I'll do that when I am through with dillo, probably another 5 minutes. |
| 20:13:29 | dc_ | pb_: righty'o ;} |
| 20:13:43 | dc_ | doesn't want to rush pb_ or anything ;] |
| 20:13:51 | pb_ | no pressure, right? |
| 20:14:02 | dc_ | _none_ what soever. |
| 20:14:12 | cmarqu_ | iCal! |
| 20:14:18 | dc_ | cmarqu_: shut up |
| 20:14:23 | dc_ | cmarqu_: hehe |
| 20:14:37 | cmarqu_ | swallows |
| 20:14:54 | pb_ | dc_: don't be hard on cmarqu_, he can't help it. |
| 20:15:02 | pb_ | dc_: sometimes these things just slip out. |
| 20:15:10 | cmarqu_ | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.23639.png -- it's not *that* bad |
| 20:15:12 | dc_ | oh okay, I guess it happens. |
| 20:15:29 | dc_ | cmarqu_: cute :) |
| 20:15:45 | pb_ | dc_: you've never been in a social situation and found yourself suddenly gripped by the overwhelming desire for iCal? |
| 20:16:03 | pb_ | dc_: well, admittedly, I haven't. But I can see how it could happen. |
| 20:16:16 | dc_ | pb_: I've had therapy |
| 20:16:18 | cmarqu_ | mallum: BTW, figment doesn't update the window title after I set a filename |
| 20:16:28 | mallum | cmarqu_: hmmm |
| 20:16:33 | dc_ | who did figment..? |
| 20:16:34 | dc_ | mallum: ? |
| 20:16:36 | pb_ | cmarqu_: hmm. |
| 20:16:43 | pb_ | dc_: mallum is to blame for that. |
| 20:16:56 | dc_ | and all those wonderfull ideas... |
| 20:17:02 | mallum | uh |
| 20:17:02 | dc_ | have to be kept... |
| 20:17:05 | dc_ | hehe |
| 20:17:10 | dc_ | it's late. |
| 20:17:12 | dc_ | ignore me. |
| 20:17:18 | pb_ | well, quite. |
| 20:17:32 | cmarqu_ | Oh dear. I now almost tapped my laptop with the pen to close a dialog. |
| 20:17:52 | dc_ | cmarqu_: hehehehe. I keep doing that on my iBook to.. |
| 20:18:12 | dc_ | touch screen syndrome |
| 20:18:35 | mallum | dc_: I've got some books you can steel here ... |
| 20:18:47 | mallum | dc_: dont know if there any good though ;) |
| 20:18:50 | dc_ | mallum: cool! |
| 20:18:53 | dc_ | mallum: any books are good :} |
| 20:19:01 | pb_ | ok, dillo2 is uploaded. |
| 20:19:09 | pb_ | completely untested though, I haven't even run the binary. |
| 20:19:10 | dc_ | oh dear... |
| 20:19:10 | mallum | pb_: with xft ? |
| 20:19:12 | dc_ | not cool |
| 20:19:25 | dc_ | gpe-login2 keeps restaring |
| 20:19:30 | dc_ | and won't display itself |
| 20:19:31 | pb_ | mallum: it seemed to have AA when I ran it on my desktop. |
| 20:19:34 | pb_ | dc_: oh dear. |
| 20:19:41 | pb_ | dc_: run it manually, see what its problem is. |
| 20:20:24 | dc_ | unable to load icon ok... |
| 20:20:28 | dc_ | arg.. |
| 20:20:32 | dc_ | and cancel.. |
| 20:20:37 | dc_ | wtf is up with gpe-icons..... |
| 20:20:43 | pb_ | dc_: oh, apparently I had made a gpe-contacts2 ipkg already, just not uploaded it. |
| 20:20:48 | pb_ | slaps self on forehead |
| 20:20:54 | dc_ | right. |
| 20:20:57 | pb_ | dc_: anyway, it's uploaded now. |
| 20:20:57 | dc_ | pb_: hum |
| 20:21:19 | pb_ | dc_: any ideas what's going wrong there? |
| 20:21:49 | mallum | pb_: gtk-demo patch in the post |
| 20:21:54 | mallum | pb_: its quick and dirty |
| 20:21:54 | pb_ | mallum: you rule |
| 20:22:13 | dc_ | pb_: not at all...the icons are in the right places. |
| 20:22:22 | dc_ | pb_: I tried linikning them to /usr/local |
| 20:22:24 | dc_ | no luck |
| 20:22:27 | pb_ | dc_: do you have the right loaders installed? |
| 20:22:28 | mallum | pb_: I had to add a -I/usr/include/gtk-2.0 to the makefile line so it would get gdkx.h |
| 20:22:37 | dc_ | pb_: ah in.. |
| 20:22:37 | pb_ | dc_: try ipkg install gdk-pixbuf2-loader-png, just in case |
| 20:22:50 | pb_ | dc_: you probably want -xpm as well |
| 20:23:13 | dc_ | ahh |
| 20:24:14 | dc_ | yay |
| 20:25:05 | pb_ | hmm |
| 20:25:11 | pb_ | dillo doesn't seem to be running so well. |
| 20:25:47 | dc_ | :/ |
| 20:25:53 | dc_ | that worked bw. |
| 20:25:54 | dc_ | btw |
| 20:25:57 | pb_ | cool. |
| 20:26:09 | dc_ | finds an icon for figment |
| 20:26:11 | pb_ | I forgot the dependencies in the libgtk2.0-0 control file. |
| 20:26:27 | dc_ | ;/ |
| 20:26:29 | dc_ | hehe |
| 20:26:45 | dc_ | timesheet lacks aswell |
| 20:27:12 | pb_ | ? |
| 20:27:35 | dc_ | it does not much |
| 20:27:49 | pb_ | dc_: yeah, it's not a very visual application. |
| 20:27:53 | dc_ | hehe |
| 20:27:56 | dc_ | no it's just me. |
| 20:28:06 | dc_ | and it crashes. |
| 20:28:10 | mallum | pb_: I read on the dillo list that pango make rendering really slow, and there was a plan to do the rendering with just xft ( no pango ) and the interface with gtk2 |
| 20:28:22 | pb_ | aha! |
| 20:28:34 | pb_ | dillo runs much better when supplied with the ISO8559-1 gconv module. |
| 20:28:39 | pb_ | maybe we should package and ship that. |
| 20:28:43 | dc_ | watches a light buld appear above pb_s head |
| 20:28:52 | dc_ | :] |
| 20:28:55 | pb_ | conducts a small private celebration |
| 20:29:12 | cmarqu_ | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.14098.png - Caslon can probably be dropped. |
| 20:29:17 | mallum | <plug>you know you can all use figment to keep track of your ideas about these such things</plug> |
| 20:29:45 | cmarqu_ | Hmm, indeed. |
| 20:29:55 | dc_ | dares not use figment untill it has a better gpeappmgr icon. |
| 20:29:56 | dc_ | :D |
| 20:29:56 | pb_ | mallum: yes, I saw that too. |
| 20:30:04 | cmarqu_ | Can it export to LaTeX already? |
| 20:30:13 | mallum | dc_: make one ;) |
| 20:30:57 | pb_ | mallum: you want me to package the new gtk-demo, or just mail you the binary? |
| 20:30:59 | cmarqu_ | mallum: It needs a LRU filelist too :) |
| 20:31:07 | mallum | pb_: what evers easiest |
| 20:31:11 | mallum | pb_: binary is fine |
| 20:31:17 | pb_ | right you are. |
| 20:31:39 | mallum | go jonny go go go go |
| 20:31:48 | dc_ | mallum: I am :) |
| 20:31:58 | mallum | dc_: :) |
| 20:32:34 | mallum | pb_: do you know much about bios's ? |
| 20:32:41 | pb_ | mallum: a small amount |
| 20:33:35 | mallum | pb_: great |
| 20:33:37 | mallum | MUHAHAHA |
| 20:33:42 | mallum | :) |
| 20:34:03 | pb_ | mallum: your binary is enroute. |
| 20:34:16 | pb_ | just call me the human autobuilder |
| 20:34:41 | mallum | pb_: did you compile it by hand ? |
| 20:34:46 | pb_ | dc_: was there anything else you wanted? |
| 20:34:48 | mallum | pb_: on some sort of super abacus |
| 20:35:02 | pb_ | mallum: yeah, I have an opcode quick reference on my desk. |
| 20:35:16 | dc_ | pb_: the answer to the universe... |
| 20:35:27 | dc_ | pb_: plus dillo, gpe-contacts and ehh... |
| 20:35:36 | pb_ | dc_: dillo and gpe-contacts are already in the feed. |
| 20:35:40 | dc_ | yay |
| 20:35:45 | dc_ | that's all I think..... |
| 20:35:47 | pb_ | oh, I should package that gconv module |
| 20:36:27 | dc_ | mallum: you want the figment icon? |
| 20:37:18 | pb_ | anybody know how the gconvmodules file works? |
| 20:38:18 | cmarqu_ | Ah, gpe-logout follows the HIG so *totally*... |
| 20:38:38 | cmarqu_ | Gotta make a scap |
| 20:38:43 | pb_ | cmarqu_: Yes, I pride myself on that. |
| 20:38:52 | cmarqu_ | pb_: Wot! |
| 20:39:12 | cmarqu_ | This is not fair! |
| 20:39:34 | pb_ | cmarqu_: only kidding |
| 20:40:16 | mallum | dc_: sure |
| 20:40:19 | cmarqu_ | Hmm, where did the Ok button go from gpe-login2? |
| 20:40:30 | dc_ | indeed. |
| 20:40:32 | pb_ | Dunno. |
| 20:40:33 | cmarqu_ | 'nother scap |
| 20:40:35 | dc_ | and look at my shot in scap.. |
| 20:40:38 | pb_ | Oh, gtk2 is probably not squashed. |
| 20:40:45 | cmarqu_ | Ah. |
| 20:40:45 | dc_ | :/ |
| 20:41:06 | pb_ | Lemme try to fix that. |
| 20:41:14 | pb_ | I ought to do something about the dependency snafu anyway. |
| 20:41:15 | dc_ | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.4624.png |
| 20:41:22 | dc_ | it's that damn setgb again |
| 20:41:35 | cmarqu_ | The user selector is too big in height too. |
| 20:41:36 | dc_ | cmarqu_: where is the background image actualy kept? |
| 20:41:37 | cmarqu_ | weeps |
| 20:42:00 | cmarqu_ | dc_: sh-2.03# ls -l /etc/gpe/gpe-login-bg.png |
| 20:42:00 | cmarqu_ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 37 Apr 4 2021 /etc/gpe/gpe-login-bg.png -> /usr/share/pixmaps/gpe-default-bg.png |
| 20:42:14 | dc_ | pb_: oh, also if you're into it, you could alsways compile gpe-ownerinfo2 :] |
| 20:42:26 | pb_ | dc_: I was waiting for clearance from cmarqu for that. |
| 20:42:34 | pb_ | dc_: Does gpe-login work in transparent mode for you? |
| 20:42:44 | pb_ | dc_: On my machine everything is very black. |
| 20:42:59 | cmarqu_ | Ha! So that it is not transparent too! I will *never* allow that!!!1! |
| 20:42:59 | dc_ | pb_: eeek |
| 20:43:02 | dc_ | pb_: on mine to! |
| 20:44:45 | cmarqu_ | Is there some ttf hinting tool for Linux? |
| 20:45:12 | cmarqu_ | notes that he has to fix the photo button size in gpe-ownerinfo too.... |
| 20:45:23 | pb_ | dc_; ah. |
| 20:45:38 | pb_ | I made a scap of dillo2 |
| 20:45:47 | pb_ | Looks rather like dillo1 :-) |
| 20:46:19 | dc_ | what a supprise. |
| 20:46:27 | pb_ | Yes. |
| 20:54:00 | pb_ | mallum: did that binary work for you? |
| 20:54:00 | dc_ | hum bug |
| 20:54:01 | dc_ | mallum: figmet crashes on me... |
| 20:54:01 | dc_ | mallum: or rather...how to I create a root node? |
| 20:54:02 | pb_ | ok |
| 20:54:02 | pb_ | I uploaded the gconv module, plus a new dillo that depends on it. |
| 20:54:03 | pb_ | and a new libgtk2.0 is uploading now. |
| 20:54:03 | pb_ | the version to look for is 2.1.0-3 |
| 20:54:12 | pb_ | cmarqu_: Nils would be the man to talk to about ttf hinting, I guess. |
| 20:54:52 | cmarqu_ | Yup. |
| 20:55:22 | dc_ | yay |
| 20:56:44 | pb_ | dc_: wow, that's a particularly ugly login screen you have on scap |
| 20:56:49 | cmarqu_ | http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/libgtk2.0-0_2.1.0-3_arm.ipk |
| 20:57:10 | pb_ | cmarqu_: that's the one. |
| 20:57:16 | cmarqu_ | In case you don't want to wait for the packages file... |
| 20:57:49 | pb_ | Oh, my dillo shot doesn't seem to have made it onto scap for some reason. |
| 20:59:01 | dc_ | pb_: great isn't it ;D |
| 20:59:19 | pb_ | dc_: what's that? |
| 20:59:33 | dc_ | my scap :] |
| 20:59:41 | pb_ | dc_: oh yeah, it rules. |
| 20:59:47 | pb_ | dc_: bit of an acquired taste though maybe. |
| 20:59:51 | mallum | pb_: yes binary works it f**king rocks !!! |
| 20:59:52 | dc_ | hehe |
| 20:59:54 | dc_ | indeed. |
| 20:59:59 | pb_ | mallum: excellent |
| 21:00:13 | mallum | dc_: add sibling ? |
| 21:00:25 | mallum | dc_: with top level or nothing selected |
| 21:00:42 | dc_ | mallum: it segfaults :{ |
| 21:01:04 | mallum | dc_: wierd |
| 21:01:09 | dc_ | indeed...... |
| 21:01:13 | mallum | dc_: well its only 0.1 ;) |
| 21:01:17 | dc_ | hehe |
| 21:01:20 | dc_ | good excuse ;] |
| 21:01:31 | moray | apparently there is currently open wireless access at LinuxExpo via some Apple thing... |
| 21:01:43 | dc_ | pb_: arg...something's up with pixbuf again... |
| 21:01:49 | mallum | dc_: gpe-filemanager takes an age to load ... |
| 21:01:58 | dc_ | hides |
| 21:02:03 | mallum | ha. |
| 21:02:09 | dc_ | mallum: yeah, maby I can work on that tomorrow ;p |
| 21:02:21 | pb_ | dc_: argh, what kind of something? |
| 21:02:29 | pb_ | dc_: you will have to be more specific |
| 21:02:33 | mallum | dc_: figment dont seg on me, and cmarqu obviously added some stuff to it ... |
| 21:02:50 | pb_ | moray: oh right, cool, I will pack my wifi card. |
| 21:03:05 | dc_ | cmarqu_: what was your first move...? |
| 21:03:15 | cmarqu_ | ERROR: Package gdk-pixbuf2-loader-png wants to install file /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.0.100/loaders/libpixbufloader-png.so |
| 21:03:23 | cmarqu_ | But that file is already provided by package libgtk2.0-0 |
| 21:03:38 | cmarqu_ | dc_: Add sibling :) |
| 21:03:39 | pb_ | cmarqu_: what version of libgtk2.0-0 is installed? |
| 21:03:44 | dc_ | pb_: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.18373.png |
| 21:03:45 | dc_ | bah |
| 21:03:54 | cmarqu_ | Version: 2.1.0-1 |
| 21:04:08 | pb_ | cmarqu_: remove it and uninstall. |
| 21:04:14 | pb_ | cmarqu_: er, and reinstall. |
| 21:04:23 | dc_ | mallum: hum |
| 21:04:26 | cmarqu_ | Was going to wonder... |
| 21:04:26 | pb_ | cmarqu_: I haven't managed to figure out how to make ipkg handle that properly. |
| 21:04:38 | dc_ | mallum: I have this feeling my gtk2 theme isn't quite correct.. |
| 21:04:51 | pb_ | dc_: hmm |
| 21:05:03 | pb_ | dc_: do you know what it was supposed to look like? |
| 21:05:15 | dc_ | pb_: mallums |
| 21:05:18 | dc_ | heh |
| 21:05:23 | dc_ | I hope... |
| 21:06:06 | pb_ | dc_: hmm |
| 21:06:15 | pb_ | dc_: well, I'm not going to do anything about that tonight |
| 21:06:22 | pb_ | dc_: maybe we can look at it tomorrow. |
| 21:06:25 | dc_ | hehe |
| 21:06:43 | dc_ | stays quiet |
| 21:07:07 | pb_ | I will make sure I have my ssh keys on hand. |
| 21:07:17 | dc_ | cool |
| 21:07:30 | pb_ | "never leave home without them" |
| 21:07:44 | pb_ | cmarqu_: any joy with that gtk? |
| 21:08:15 | cmarqu_ | pb_: Still downloding through my serial liink... |
| 21:08:22 | pb_ | cmarqu_: ah. |
| 21:09:54 | cmarqu_ | Uhm???? |
| 21:10:01 | cmarqu_ | sh-2.03# ipkg install http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/libgtk2.0-0_2.1.0-3_arm.ipk |
| 21:10:03 | pb_ | ? |
| 21:10:05 | cmarqu_ | Downloading http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/libgtk2.0-0_2.1.0-3_arm.ipk |
| 21:10:08 | cmarqu_ | Downloading http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/gdk-pixbuf2-loader-png_2.1.0-1_arm.ipk |
| 21:10:11 | cmarqu_ | Installing gdk-pixbuf2-loader-png (2.1.0-1) |
| 21:10:13 | cmarqu_ | Configuring gdk-pixbuf2-loader-png...Done |
| 21:10:16 | cmarqu_ | What is the last one doing there? |
| 21:10:19 | cmarqu_ | Downloading http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/libgtk2.0-0_2.1.0-1_arm.ipk |
| 21:10:31 | pb_ | Ahhh, ipkg. |
| 21:10:48 | cmarqu_ | :/ |
| 21:10:48 | pb_ | cmarqu_: This is what you get when the packages file is not up to date. :-/ |
| 21:11:04 | cmarqu_ | Ah, okay. Should be there now. |
| 21:11:12 | pb_ | Cool. |
| 21:12:54 | cmarqu_ | pb_: of course you can go and port gpe-ownerinfo ... and if you feel like looking at the prelight thing for the big button as well... |
| 21:13:05 | pb_ | cmarqu_: Maybe later. |
| 21:13:31 | cmarqu_ | Great. |
| 21:14:05 | pb_ | Crumbs, libcrypto is huge. |
| 21:14:12 | dc_ | ouch |
| 21:14:16 | pb_ | Don't suppose anyone would like to try shrinking it? |
| 21:14:17 | dc_ | pb_: what for? |
| 21:14:26 | pb_ | dc_: it's used by sshd. |
| 21:14:30 | dc_ | ahh |
| 21:14:44 | pb_ | dc_: but I suspect only about 10% of it is _actually_ used. |
| 21:15:21 | cmarqu_ | Kero might care enough to do it himself. He just is on holidays |
| 21:15:55 | pb_ | cmarqu_: Good idea. |
| 21:16:14 | pb_ | I guess it can probably be done mechanically with mklibs, in fact. |
| 21:17:52 | pb_ | Hmm. 750k down to 600k on my i386 box. |
| 21:17:58 | pb_ | Not quite the saving I was hoping for. |
| 21:18:33 | mallum | http://www.pocketpctools.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=220 |
| 21:19:45 | cmarqu_ | pb_: The login button is there now, Good. |
| 21:20:20 | pb_ | Cool. |
| 21:20:30 | cmarqu_ | # Pocket PC 2002 Premium means "contains Outlook" AFAIK |
| 21:21:03 | cmarqu_ | Not that we care :) |
| 21:21:21 | pb_ | Well, quite. |
| 21:21:22 | pb_ | :-) |
| 21:24:23 | cmarqu_ | GPE 2003 Premium Edition will surely come with Emacs 21.4 and calendar/diary/appt/bbdb |
| 21:24:35 | pb_ | Doubtless. |
| 21:24:53 | dc_ | :) |
| 21:25:07 | cmarqu_ | And a rubber GPE chick. |
| 21:25:21 | pb_ | Hmm. |
| 21:27:13 | dc_ | yay! |
| 21:38:05 | cmarqu_ | Alright. It's that time again... G'night. Have fun tomorrow. |
| 21:38:19 | pb_ | Night. |
| 21:39:12 | dc_ | me o... |
| 21:39:29 | dc_ | to.... |
| 21:39:56 | pb_ | dc_: g'night |
| 21:43:27 | dc_ | ~ # gpe-contacts |
| 21:43:28 | dc_ | gpe-contacts: 1: Syntax error: "(" unexpected |
| 21:43:29 | dc_ | heh |
| 21:43:35 | pb_ | Oops |
| 21:43:45 | dc_ | :/ |
| 21:43:57 | pb_ | That package I had pre-built must have been an i386 binary. |
| 21:44:21 | pb_ | Well, lemme make a new one. |
| 21:46:50 | dctanner_ | heh |
| 21:48:01 | pb_ | :-/ |
| 21:48:07 | dctanner_ | pb_: what does the new gtk2 ipk fix? |
| 21:48:23 | pb_ | The too-big entry field in gpe-login, mostly. |
| 21:48:46 | dctanner_ | heh, if anyone wanted to use gpe-login2 at the moment.. |
| 21:48:50 | dctanner_ | or is hat just me |
| 21:49:04 | pb_ | Well, I have gpe-login2 installed. |
| 21:49:12 | pb_ | Doesn't look too great though. |
| 21:49:15 | dctanner_ | and it looks good....... |
| 21:49:20 | dctanner_ | hehe |
| 21:49:39 | pb_ | heh |
| 21:49:50 | pb_ | okay, I've persuaded gpe-contacts to compile, let me build an ipkg. |
| 21:50:17 | pb_ | for some reason my libxml2 stuff was fux0red. |
| 21:51:58 | pb_ | right, 0.05-1 is uploaded, see if you have better luck with that. |
| 21:53:15 | pb_ | did dillo2 work for you? |
| 21:53:25 | dctanner_ | yep |
| 21:53:25 | dctanner_ | :) |
| 21:53:30 | pb_ | cool. |
| 21:53:31 | dctanner_ | works fine |
| 21:54:27 | dctanner_ | persues mallum to tell him the secrect of his gtk theme. |
| 21:54:38 | pb_ | ha! |
| 21:56:27 | pb_ | wow, I still have 1.5MB of flash free. |
| 21:56:55 | dctanner_ | I got 2.9 |
| 21:57:03 | pb_ | hmph. |
| 21:57:10 | dctanner_ | even with contacts, fm, todo, cal, dillo, nmf/ogg... |
| 21:57:13 | dctanner_ | gpe-conf |
| 21:57:25 | dctanner_ | getting good at this space thing I guess |
| 21:57:26 | pb_ | is yours a 32MB ipaq? |
| 21:57:30 | dctanner_ | no ;p |
| 21:57:37 | pb_ | ha. |
| 21:57:43 | pb_ | I wonder where all mine has gone. |
| 21:57:50 | dctanner_ | /dev/mtdblock/1 15.8M 12.9M 2.9M 82% / |
| 21:58:20 | pb_ | oh, I have gpg installed, that's about a meg on its own. |
| 21:58:31 | dctanner_ | ahh :) |
| 21:58:51 | pb_ | and, well, probably some other large things too :-} |
| 21:59:07 | pb_ | oh, gtk-demo is 500k! |
| 21:59:24 | pb_ | I guess it must be statically linked. |
| 21:59:30 | dctanner_ | what's that about? |
| 21:59:41 | pb_ | It's the thing that shows off display migration. |
| 21:59:43 | mallum | dctanner_: I'll sort you out the theme tommorow ... |
| 21:59:51 | dctanner_ | mallum: cool :D |
| 22:01:14 | mallum | ok bedtime for me |
| 22:01:25 | pb_ | night mallum |
| 22:01:29 | mallum | dctanner_, pb_: see ya 10:30 tommorow :) |
| 22:01:37 | pb_ | yeah :-) |
| 22:01:47 | dctanner_ | yep |
| 22:01:47 | mallum | g'night |
| 22:01:49 | dctanner_ | night. |
| 22:08:33 | dctanner_ | now it thinks I don't have a cf card :] |
| 22:08:37 | dctanner_ | exit |
| 22:08:39 | dctanner_ | oops |
| 22:13:54 | pb_ | right |
| 22:13:54 | pb_ | bedtime for me as well. |
| 22:13:54 | pb_ | dc_: see you tomorrow |
| 22:14:09 | dctanner_ | yep |
| 22:14:14 | dctanner_ | I'm going now to. |
| 23:07:25 | prpplague | evening all |
| 23:12:55 | moray | hello prpplague |
| 23:13:07 | moray | hm, I need to go to bed |
| 23:13:48 | prpplague | moray: if you've not coded for more than 24 hours you have to stay up :) |
| 23:16:46 | moray | prpplague: hmm ;) I have a pointless Health and Safety meeting early tomorrow morning |
| 23:17:01 | moray | prpplague: then later tomorrow I'll hopefully meet up with GPE people in London... |
| 23:17:23 | prpplague | moray: bastard, wish i was going |
| 23:17:36 | prpplague | moray: i'd love to spend the day in london tomorrow |
| 23:18:05 | moray | well, I was originally hoping to spend the day at the exhibition (and probably the day after too), but I seem to have too many things on that I can't really miss them all :( |
| 23:23:19 | prpplague | bummer |
| 23:23:27 | prpplague | anyone alive using Xnest? |
