| 06:51:05 | mallum | hey BBrox |
| 06:51:23 | mallum | BBrox: why is french food so much better than english food ? |
| 06:52:37 | BBrox | mallum: no idea really.... |
| 06:52:58 | BBrox | mallum: where did you go in France ? |
| 06:53:55 | BBrox | Man, is this site stupid... |
| 06:55:10 | mallum | BBrox: we went over to calais the other weekend and got a load of food from a hypermarket |
| 06:55:24 | mallum | BBrox: its amazing how much better vegetables etc taste |
| 06:55:47 | mallum | BBrox: what site ? |
| 06:56:14 | BBrox | mallum: Bol.co.uk... It only provides 'Title' Book search, no search by 'Author'. That's incredibliy stupid |
| 07:01:23 | BBrox | And it seems even to have lost the old accounts during the site 'redesign' |
| 07:04:40 | mallum | doh |
| 07:05:43 | BBrox | Will send a mail to ask to the support people :-) |
| 07:07:41 | BBrox | Last time I wrote saying that it did not work in Mozilla it seems to have been fixed later on. |
| 09:13:02 | pb_ | morning |
| 09:13:03 | dc_ | morning |
| 09:13:04 | dc_ | hehe |
| 09:13:08 | pb_ | :-) |
| 09:13:18 | pb_ | so, hmm, what's next. |
| 09:13:37 | dc_ | you joined only about 1/2 second after I did :] |
| 09:13:59 | pb_ | aha. |
| 09:14:10 | pb_ | hmm, freenode's ipv6 server seems to be broken. |
| 09:14:11 | dc_ | what's on toay.. |
| 09:14:16 | dc_ | ouch. |
| 09:14:17 | pb_ | either that or my ipv6 connection is down again. |
| 09:14:34 | pb_ | so, I'm reduced to using ipv4 today. |
| 09:16:38 | dc_ | hey HET2 |
| 09:16:45 | HET2 | good morning |
| 09:16:47 | dc_ | pb_: blaphemy |
| 09:16:52 | dc_ | +s |
| 09:27:36 | mallum | pb_, dc_: hey |
| 09:33:04 | pb_ | yo mallum |
| 09:40:45 | dc_ | heyy |
| 09:42:14 | cmarqu | Anybody seen this? http://a799.ms.akamai.net/3/799/388/1e19826510c5c6/www.msnbc.com/news/1647612.jpg |
| 09:42:21 | cmarqu | Apparently, it's $200 |
| 09:44:39 | pb_ | Never seen one. What is it? |
| 09:44:54 | cmarqu | Don't know, that's why I ask :) |
| 09:45:20 | dc_ | brb, shop. |
| 10:21:14 | mallum | pb_: yo |
| 10:21:45 | mallum | pb_: hmm, another matchbox mail from 'greg alexander' |
| 10:22:00 | dc_ | hum |
| 10:22:21 | pb_ | mallum: ah, what's he say this time? |
| 10:22:24 | pb_ | checks mail |
| 10:22:37 | pb_ | I should filter my matchbox mail out into a separate folder. |
| 10:22:38 | mallum | pb_: more randomnessw |
| 10:22:44 | dc_ | hum |
| 10:22:50 | dc_ | I should to. |
| 10:23:28 | mallum | Am I being unreasonable in saying I find him really f**king annoying ? |
| 10:24:49 | dc_ | heh |
| 10:27:39 | pb_ | sigh, evo hasn't managed to find the message yet. |
| 10:28:26 | pb_ | ha, got it. |
| 10:29:30 | pb_ | Well, I don't understand what he's saying about his patch. The rest of his mail does seem a bit random though. |
| 10:29:57 | mallum | yeah, I just dont like the 'tone' of it and all the smileys |
| 10:30:08 | pb_ | Yeah. |
| 10:30:29 | mallum | time for lunch ... |
| 10:31:55 | dc_ | worse than me |
| 10:32:10 | pb_ | dc_: ? |
| 10:32:47 | dc_ | and my smilies. |
| 10:32:48 | dc_ | :] |
| 10:32:58 | pb_ | aha :-) |
| 10:33:20 | pb_ | at least you don't adopt this condescending tone. |
| 10:34:20 | dc_ | I hope. |
| 10:35:01 | pb_ | heh |
| 10:45:53 | cmarqu | I must say you coded this GPE thing fairly well. You may take a cookie. But now go and give me iCal !!!1! |
| 10:46:33 | cmarqu | is probably still a bit drunk from last night |
| 10:46:34 | pb_ | ! |
| 10:47:10 | cmarqu | "!" - this means "not", right? |
| 10:48:09 | pb_ | cmarqu: Get dc_ to write ical. |
| 10:48:41 | dc_ | was waiting for that |
| 10:48:42 | cmarqu | dc_: Finish your cookie and write ical! |
| 10:49:03 | dc_ | fnishes off his tea and biscuits |
| 10:49:22 | cmarqu | Oh, is it tea time yet? |
| 10:49:47 | dc_ | drinks tea all day |
| 10:50:00 | pb_ | cmarqu: In England it is always tea time. |
| 10:50:27 | cmarqu | drinks coffee all day |
| 10:50:36 | cmarqu | Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul |
| 10:50:51 | dc_ | hehe |
| 10:52:10 | cmarqu | Funny that I ran into that art.gnome.org guy on IRC yesterday. He has some of the icon originals |
| 10:52:50 | cmarqu | I'll pay him with some emacs lisp code snippets |
| 10:53:06 | pb_ | Good idea. |
| 11:08:16 | dc_ | cmarqu: cool |
| 11:08:22 | dc_ | cmarqu: where'd you see him? |
| 11:10:06 | cmarqu | #mygnus not on OPN(), and #emacs before (where I didn't know it was him) |
| 11:33:16 | jsmanrique | hi! |
| 11:33:32 | jsmanrique | I've updated/upgraded my ipaq3100 |
| 11:33:51 | jsmanrique | and there is still something strange in check buttons type.. |
| 11:34:15 | jsmanrique | see it at:http://handhelds.org/scap/port.11756.png |
| 11:34:22 | jsmanrique | see it at: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.11756.png |
| 11:34:50 | jsmanrique | you can't know if infix or rpn are selected... despite the ENTER button that appears on RPN |
| 11:35:13 | jsmanrique | it is not a psCalc bug.. it happens wherever checks appear |
| 11:36:21 | pb_ | Does that happen with all themes? |
| 11:37:32 | jsmanrique | let me see |
| 11:37:42 | jsmanrique | last time I saw it, yes, it happens |
| 11:38:32 | pb_ | Which themes have you tested with? |
| 11:38:40 | jsmanrique | gpe |
| 11:38:44 | jsmanrique | default |
| 11:38:57 | pb_ | OK. |
| 11:39:25 | pb_ | If it happens with the "default" theme, it sounds like a generic Gtk bug. |
| 11:39:33 | pb_ | It would be interesting to know whether GTK2 has the same problem. |
| 11:41:13 | jsmanrique | where could I configure screen contrast? |
| 11:41:38 | jsmanrique | some buttons (like gpe-login to select user) can't be seen |
| 11:42:22 | jsmanrique | and to unzip .tgz files... which were the tar/gzip combination I should use? |
| 11:43:47 | jsmanrique | ? |
| 11:44:21 | pb_ | Um, tar xzf foo.tgz |
| 11:44:32 | pb_ | Or: gzip -dc foo.tgz | tar xf - |
| 11:46:35 | jsmanrique | thanks |
| 11:55:10 | dc_ | arg! |
| 11:55:28 | dc_ | something is really up with my fu*king connection today. |
| 11:58:59 | mallum | me is back from lunch |
| 11:59:44 | dc_ | :] |
| 12:00:42 | mallum | dc_: you are not like this guy at all |
| 12:01:46 | dc_ | thank god. |
| 12:01:47 | dc_ | hehe |
| 12:02:05 | mallum | dc_: you are 10 times worse |
| 12:02:07 | mallum | ;) |
| 12:02:10 | mallum | dc_: joke |
| 12:02:15 | dc_ | ;p |
| 12:02:36 | mallum | dc_: you folks gonna call me still ? |
| 12:03:17 | dc_ | yep.. |
| 12:03:18 | dc_ | :) |
| 12:03:22 | mallum | cool |
| 12:03:22 | dc_ | you want one. |
| 12:03:40 | dc_ | gets the phone |
| 12:03:45 | dc_ | mallum: ready yourself |
| 12:03:49 | mallum | dc_: sure |
| 12:04:38 | dc_ | mallum: hmu what's your no again... |
| 12:04:40 | mallum | jsmanrique: http://www.gnomedesktop.org/article.php?sid=684 |
| 12:04:44 | dc_ | mallum: evo broke.. |
| 12:05:06 | mallum | jsmanrique: icons there be nice for 3100 |
| 12:05:59 | jsmanrique | mallum: yes, nice icons ! |
| 12:08:08 | mallum | dc_: I msg'd you my number ? |
| 12:08:37 | dc_ | yeah |
| 12:08:43 | dc_ | just trying ot find my dad.. |
| 12:09:36 | mallum | okey |
| 12:11:05 | cmarqu | Hmm, how do I let Debian know about new ttf fonts? |
| 12:11:15 | dc_ | cmarqu: shout at it! |
| 12:11:39 | cmarqu | dc_: I'm even shaking my fist, but it doesn't help. |
| 12:11:46 | dc_ | damn |
| 12:12:37 | cmarqu | Ah, dfontmgr looks good. |
| 12:14:15 | mallum | dfontmgr ? |
| 12:15:03 | mallum | pb_: do you have an up to date X CVS source tree on x86 ? |
| 12:16:09 | jg | mallum: I do... Installed yesterday..... |
| 12:16:59 | mallum | jg: to save some bandwidth, if I send you a host.def could you run a build for me ;) ( Its only a buildservers only tinyX build ) |
| 12:17:33 | jg | sure, but I'm at home, so don't ask for more than the server..... (all I have is dialup). |
| 12:17:42 | jg | Or do you want my normal TinyX build? |
| 12:17:53 | jg | current bits have reflection implemented.... |
| 12:18:03 | mallum | jg: no I need an Xvesa , randr but no render |
| 12:18:04 | cmarqu | mallum: defoma frontend |
| 12:18:16 | jg | why no render? |
| 12:18:22 | mallum | jg: 8 bit display |
| 12:18:41 | mallum | jg: plus this machine is 100mhz |
| 12:18:44 | jg | I thought render worked on 8 bit displays these days. |
| 12:18:56 | jg | yeah, so your apps aren't going to be doing much. |
| 12:19:02 | mallum | jg: hmm, yeah maybe I could give it ago ... |
| 12:19:07 | jg | And you want render for client side fonts. |
| 12:20:34 | mallum | jg: its for my ageing fujitsu tablet, I want to get matchbox on it nice for the expo |
| 12:20:47 | jg | so you want render :-). |
| 12:20:53 | mallum | jg: okey |
| 12:21:30 | mallum | jg: I've always build XChips for it before but *apparently* Xvesa works |
| 12:24:39 | dc_ | mallum: you're phone's about to ring. |
| 12:25:58 | jg | mallum: what servers do you want me to build? |
| 12:31:07 | dc_ | right. |
| 12:31:17 | dc_ | mallum: it sounds like that was organized then :) |
| 12:31:21 | pb_ | cool. |
| 12:31:28 | dc_ | yep |
| 12:31:33 | pb_ | dc_: you managed to pass yourself off as your dad? |
| 12:31:40 | dc_ | pb_: ;p |
| 12:31:48 | mallum | ha |
| 12:32:00 | dc_ | hehe |
| 12:32:01 | mallum | jg: could you do an xchips and an xvesa ? |
| 12:32:16 | mallum | dc_: cool, all set then 10:30, next wednesday |
| 12:32:17 | dc_ | mallum: do you live near victoria then? |
| 12:32:18 | jg | What's the host.def line for it? |
| 12:32:28 | mallum | jg: one sec .. |
| 12:32:40 | dc_ | mallum: yep. |
| 12:32:59 | moray | I'm not sure I'm actually going to be able to make it to LinuxExpo - various meetings etc. I'm meant to go to :( |
| 12:33:15 | dc_ | moray: oww.. |
| 12:33:18 | moray | will you lot be around one of the evenings if I appeared then? |
| 12:33:25 | dc_ | moray: you must come :) |
| 12:33:33 | dc_ | moray: peobly. |
| 12:33:33 | pb_ | moray: yeah, wednesday is the day |
| 12:33:37 | dc_ | indeed. |
| 12:33:49 | moray | dc_: well, I thought I'd got it sorted out, but then discovered another load of things I hadn't realised were happening... |
| 12:34:03 | mallum | jg: #define XvesaServer YES |
| 12:34:12 | mallum | jg: #define XchipsServer YES |
| 12:34:35 | moray | on Wednesday I could probably get a train some time after 3 pm actually |
| 12:34:42 | moray | (just not in the morning) |
| 12:34:48 | mallum | dc_: hmm, not that near, but easy enough for me to get too |
| 12:34:59 | dc_ | mallum: okay, cool. |
| 12:35:26 | dc_ | mallum: hope you got a nice fast connection ;) |
| 12:35:32 | mallum | dc_: thats why I wanted to make it a little later than 10 as I then avoid the rush of people getting to work |
| 12:35:37 | mallum | dc_: 1 Meg ? |
| 12:35:44 | dc_ | :D |
| 12:35:54 | dc_ | I need to upgrade gnome on the iBook |
| 12:35:58 | pb_ | ha. |
| 12:36:13 | mallum | dc_: :), you have wireless on the ibook ? |
| 12:36:18 | dc_ | mallum: no :[ |
| 12:36:38 | mallum | dc_: hmm no pcmcia either ? |
| 12:36:42 | dc_ | indeed... |
| 12:36:57 | dc_ | I'll have to do with a ...'cable' then I gues.. |
| 12:36:58 | jg | mallum: make World underway, I have to amuse the kids. be back in an hour or two. |
| 12:37:03 | mallum | dc_: good job I wired ethernet down into the lounge then :) |
| 12:37:11 | mallum | jg: cool, thanks |
| 12:37:17 | dc_ | mallum: sweet :) |
| 12:38:02 | mallum | pb_: you gonna bring a laptop ? |
| 12:38:18 | pb_ | mallum: hmm, not sure. |
| 12:39:28 | dc_ | cmarqu: |
| 12:39:34 | mallum | pb_: you still crashing over though ? |
| 12:39:41 | pb_ | mallum: yeah |
| 12:39:55 | moray | pb_: have you been following all the junk^Wequipment that the Debian-UK guys are taking with them...? |
| 12:39:58 | cmarqu | dc_: |
| 12:40:00 | mallum | pb_: cool |
| 12:40:07 | pb_ | moray: not really, no. |
| 12:40:13 | mallum | pb_: I have a spare (slow) laptop |
| 12:40:14 | moray | http://the.earth.li/~huggie/cgi-bin/moin/DebianExpoList |
| 12:40:17 | dc_ | cool |
| 12:40:29 | dc_ | hum |
| 12:40:33 | pb_ | moray: it sounds like Wookey is planning to take some kind of juggernaut full of kit down from Cambridge on the tuesday |
| 12:40:44 | moray | yup |
| 12:40:47 | dc_ | hehe |
| 12:41:06 | moray | they seem to be planning to set up some CD writing factory |
| 12:41:16 | dc_ | cool |
| 12:41:48 | pb_ | moray: yes, I think that's a fairly regular thing. |
| 12:42:04 | dc_ | needs some more deb install cd's |
| 12:42:24 | moray | pb_: I'd seen before they were doing non-x86 CDs, but I was surprised by the numbers they were talking about writing during the show this time (1000s) |
| 12:42:33 | dc_ | hum |
| 12:42:36 | pb_ | moray: oh, wow, I hadn't heard that. |
| 12:42:51 | dc_ | it'd be nice if we could get the image resizing stuff working properly |
| 12:42:57 | moray | pb_: they were discussing how many CDRs you can put on an IDE bus etc... |
| 12:43:03 | dc_ | so gpe-filemanager looks a bit cuter ;} |
| 12:43:23 | pb_ | dc_: what's up with the resizing? |
| 12:43:47 | dc_ | pb_: it's not very pretty |
| 12:43:52 | pb_ | dc_: ah. |
| 12:44:02 | pb_ | dc_: this might be the "integer pixops" thing again. |
| 12:44:07 | pb_ | dc_: is it better with GTK 2? |
| 12:44:40 | dc_ | dunno.. |
| 12:45:01 | pb_ | dc_: try copying the libgdk_pixbuf out of Debian, see if it helps. |
| 12:45:12 | pb_ | dc_: or you can probably fish an old ipk out of the feed |
| 12:45:36 | dc_ | as I thought |
| 12:46:01 | moray | I think when I last saw it it looked like a lack of AA scaling, so lines were getting dropped out |
| 12:46:56 | pb_ | right. |
| 12:47:06 | dc_ | yep |
| 12:48:50 | pb_ | hmm, has anybody tried the patch from bug 134? |
| 12:49:09 | pb_ | I just applied it to my tree, but the results are not very pretty on my desktop. :-} |
| 12:50:01 | jsmanrique | I have to go.. LUG meeting |
| 12:55:05 | dc_ | my damn connection |
| 12:55:43 | dc_ | brb |
| 13:09:47 | dc_ | hum |
| 13:26:21 | pb_ | rght |
| 13:26:23 | pb_ | right even |
| 13:26:52 | pb_ | I think gdk-pixbuf might be fixed. dc_, can I send you a new library to try? |
| 13:27:08 | dc_ | yah :D |
| 13:27:51 | pb_ | dc_: to your magenet.com address? |
| 13:28:13 | pb_ | dc_: or is DCC easier? |
| 13:28:52 | mallum | dc_, pb_, everyone: I just uplaoded a pre matchbox ipkg to my experimental |
| 13:28:59 | pb_ | ah, cool |
| 13:29:05 | mallum | pb_: pls test |
| 13:29:08 | pb_ | I'll try it out directly. |
| 13:29:14 | mallum | pb_: I havn't yet ... |
| 13:33:13 | pb_ | hmm |
| 13:33:18 | pb_ | my usbnet seems to have stopped working. |
| 13:34:30 | pb_ | oh, duh, the cable was unplugged. |
| 13:36:39 | dc_ | pb_: magenet |
| 13:36:41 | dc_ | mallum: great. |
| 13:36:45 | dc_ | leeme try it out |
| 13:38:21 | dc_ | :] |
| 13:40:04 | mallum | cool |
| 13:40:37 | mallum | pb_: BTW if you can get a lift into town with wookey, you welcome to stay tuesday nigth aswell if it makes things easier for you .. |
| 13:41:09 | pb_ | mallum: thanks, but I think I may as well get the train on wednesday |
| 13:41:58 | pb_ | dc_: oh, hm, I may have been mistaken about the pixbuf thing, let me look at it some more. |
| 13:42:08 | pb_ | mallum: new matchbox seems to be working well |
| 13:42:13 | mallum | pb_: phew ! |
| 13:42:19 | pb_ | though the touchscreen on my 3600 has developed a severe case of the jitters :-( |
| 13:42:41 | mallum | pb_: :( |
| 13:42:49 | mallum | pb_: cool re tue btw |
| 13:43:47 | pb_ | I guess this is yet another bad connection inside the unit. |
| 13:44:09 | mallum | :( |
| 13:44:32 | pb_ | quite. |
| 13:45:10 | pb_ | it's more or less unusable like this. I don't have my ipaq-opening tools at home, so it will have to wait until monday or whenever I next go to the office. |
| 13:48:07 | dc_ | pets his torque 6 tool. |
| 13:48:22 | pb_ | :-) |
| 13:49:02 | mallum | continues tidying up ... |
| 13:49:48 | pigeon | pb_: Heh |
| 13:50:20 | pigeon | pb_: How do I set gpe theme? |
| 13:50:32 | pb_ | Use the gtk-theme-gpe package. |
| 13:50:34 | pigeon | pb_: I'm not using any particular gpe or gtk theme. |
| 14:11:45 | pigeon | pb_: Oh, with gtk-theme-gpe, my patch has almost no effects. |
| 14:14:19 | pigeon | pb_: Hmm hang on, it's not using the theme properly, wait, let me try again. |
| 14:16:30 | pb_ | dc_: Okay, this time for sure. |
| 14:16:33 | pb_ | dc_: I've mailed you the file. |
| 14:18:19 | pb_ | dc_: If it works for you, I will build a new set of packages. |
| 14:23:43 | pigeon | pb_: Hmm anyway, it should look something like this: http://handhelds.org/scap/toland.cgi?fn=port.24198.png |
| 14:24:29 | pigeon | And this: http://handhelds.org/scap/toland.cgi?fn=port.25861.png |
| 14:24:32 | pb_ | Mmm, okay. That's not as bad as it looks on my desktop with the aqua theme, but I still don't find it very attractive. |
| 14:25:15 | pigeon | Heh, it's probably just me. Sometimes I get confused which view I'm at. |
| 14:25:45 | pb_ | Ha. |
| 14:26:10 | pb_ | Anybody else have an opinion on that? |
| 14:26:15 | pigeon | And also I tend to keep clicking on those buttons even when I'm already in that view. :P |
| 14:29:05 | pigeon | Anyway... almost bed time for me... nite all. |
| 14:29:33 | pb_ | night. |
| 14:34:38 | mallum | dc_: everything ok with new mb ? |
| 14:36:46 | cmarqu | This radio button idea looks nice. At least in the screenshots. |
| 14:38:10 | cmarqu | I've never seen it before though, so it might go against the "don't surprise" principle |
| 14:50:18 | dc_ | okay |
| 14:54:18 | dc_ | sorry, had to goto drop someone off at the bus station |
| 14:54:19 | pb_ | aha. |
| 14:58:05 | dc_ | man |
| 14:58:10 | dc_ | the mozilla cache blows. |
| 14:58:16 | pb_ | ? |
| 14:58:36 | dc_ | it caches my local images |
| 14:58:44 | dc_ | so it's a pain rying to design sites.. |
| 14:58:46 | pb_ | hah. |
| 15:00:14 | pigeon | dc_: I thought shift-reload always reloads without cache. |
| 15:02:03 | dc_ | ahhhhh |
| 15:02:05 | dc_ | coool |
| 15:11:04 | pb_ | anybody used Nick's autobuilder yet? |
| 15:19:31 | dc_ | damn it! |
| 15:19:36 | dc_ | the gimp keeps crashing :{ |
| 15:19:38 | pb_ | hell! |
| 15:19:44 | dc_ | defently |
| 15:20:42 | dc_ | shit.. |
| 15:21:42 | dc_ | arg! |
| 15:21:59 | pb_ | dc_: sounds like you're having a really bad time. |
| 15:22:31 | dc_ | guess I'll have too settle for gimp1.2 |
| 15:25:59 | mallum | Anyone tried the new matchbox 'camo' theme ? |
| 15:26:46 | dc_ | much better |
| 15:29:25 | mallum | dc_: could you scap it ;) ? |
| 15:30:46 | dc_ | heh err...I was talking about the gimp... |
| 15:30:51 | dc_ | but I'm just installing mb :] |
| 15:30:53 | dc_ | heheheh |
| 15:34:02 | dc_ | damnssh |
| 15:34:07 | dc_ | on my iPAQ isn't working |
| 15:34:36 | pb_ | :-( |
| 15:35:11 | dc_ | says it can't load the host keys again... |
| 15:35:12 | dc_ | sshd |
| 15:35:26 | pb_ | _That_ again! |
| 15:35:43 | dc_ | yes... |
| 15:35:45 | dc_ | :[ |
| 15:36:10 | prpplague | morning guys |
| 15:36:25 | pb_ | hi prpplague |
| 15:37:05 | dc_ | hey |
| 15:37:45 | dc_ | hum |
| 15:37:54 | dc_ | any ideas how I get a cool background image in gpe-login... |
| 15:37:55 | dc_ | heh |
| 15:38:23 | pb_ | dc_: gpe-setbg |
| 15:40:07 | dc_ | with what params? |
| 15:40:55 | dc_ | ahhh |
| 15:41:02 | pb_ | dc_: just install the package, it will inveigle itself into the session scripts. |
| 15:41:05 | dc_ | now wonders where to ge the image from |
| 15:41:14 | dc_ | pb_: it doesn't seem so. |
| 15:41:26 | pb_ | dc_: are you using the latest gpe-login et al.? |
| 15:41:59 | dc_ | from unstable. |
| 15:42:09 | pb_ | hmm |
| 15:42:24 | pb_ | it "just worked" for me. |
| 15:42:42 | pb_ | it's a gpe.de production, so you should address complaints to cmarqu |
| 15:42:58 | dc_ | i vill :] |
| 15:44:15 | pb_ | :-) |
| 15:45:03 | dc_ | hum.. |
| 15:45:08 | dc_ | tis still not working |
| 15:45:13 | dc_ | finds cmarqu |
| 15:49:38 | dc_ | eej. |
| 15:49:39 | dc_ | eek |
| 15:49:41 | dc_ | mallum: |
| 15:50:05 | dc_ | mallum: it logs me out when I try to use any theme from mb-themes 0.1.5 |
| 15:51:33 | matthew | hey |
| 15:51:39 | dc_ | matthew: :] |
| 15:51:43 | dc_ | matthew: mb crashes |
| 15:51:47 | matthew | I just got the mmenu dissapearing problem ... |
| 15:52:00 | dc_ | matthew: when I try to use any themes from mb-themes 0.1.5 |
| 15:52:10 | matthew | dc_: yeah it will do ..... |
| 15:52:16 | matthew | dc_: it should conflict with that |
| 15:52:25 | dc_ | oh.. |
| 15:52:31 | dc_ | matthew: err.what can I do?> |
| 15:52:50 | matthew | dc_: remove ~/.mbtheme |
| 15:54:07 | dc_ | matthew: what mb version will the themes work with? |
| 15:54:19 | matthew | < 0.3 |
| 15:55:12 | matthew | dc_: what theme do you want ? |
| 15:55:36 | dc_ | dunno.. |
| 15:55:39 | dc_ | some nice ones, hehe. |
| 15:56:24 | matthew | dc_: I have to package up the older ones |
| 15:56:37 | matthew | dc_: there is matchbox cvs still |
| 15:56:40 | dc_ | n/p.. |
| 15:56:48 | dc_ | I'll settle with the old mb for now.. |
| 15:57:51 | matthew | dc_: I'll prolly write a script later which packages the older ones |
| 15:57:59 | matthew | I bet its the akwa theme you want ? |
| 15:58:07 | dc_ | indeed. |
| 15:58:57 | dc_ | but I have it now anyway.. |
| 15:59:01 | dc_ | so no rush |
| 15:59:12 | flypiper | installs mb frome experimental dated Oct 05 :) |
| 16:00:10 | flypiper | hmmmmm docks seem to work better :-) |
| 16:00:38 | dc_ | heh |
| 16:01:44 | mallum | dock is a PITA |
| 16:02:31 | dc_ | pets gpe-filemanager |
| 16:02:44 | flypiper | mallum: looks good tho :-)) |
| 16:04:10 | matthew | thanks :) |
| 16:04:13 | matthew | pb_: about ? |
| 16:04:22 | flypiper | dc_: gpe-filemanager is ssswwwwweeeetttt !! |
| 16:05:19 | dc_ | flypiper: thanks :D |
| 16:05:33 | dc_ | flypiper: I'm just gonna add some actual functions... |
| 16:05:44 | dc_ | pb_: any ideas on what to do about making it gtk2? |
| 16:10:21 | pb_ | dc_: gpe-filemanager you mean? |
| 16:10:47 | matthew | pb_: mmenu dissapeared for me |
| 16:10:57 | pb_ | dc_: usually the changes are pretty trivial. |
| 16:11:18 | matthew | pb_: I think its a problem with the flash image or morays adding stuff to ~/.mbdock hack |
| 16:11:24 | matthew | pb_: re adding it and its fine# |
| 16:11:30 | pb_ | matthew: hmm. |
| 16:11:34 | dc_ | pb_: indeed.... |
| 16:11:43 | pb_ | dc_: try building with GTK2=yes and see what happens. |
| 16:11:50 | matthew | pb_: also I seem to have a load of xstrokes |
| 16:11:58 | dc_ | pb_: I'm scared to. |
| 16:12:04 | prpplague | pb_: what version of libxml2 are you using? |
| 16:12:05 | pb_ | dc_: the problem you are most likely to have is needing an extra NULL param in gdk_pixbuf_new_from_file() calls, which I seem to remember you had rather a lot of. |
| 16:12:12 | dc_ | pb_: first I have to sort out my GtkCombo problem |
| 16:12:18 | pb_ | dc_: what problem is that? |
| 16:12:33 | pb_ | matthew: ah, I think there may be a spurious xstroke-starting script in /etc/X11/Xsession-gpe.d |
| 16:12:40 | dc_ | pb_: well, it's segfaulting on a gtk_widget_grab_focus () call... |
| 16:12:47 | matthew | pb_: yeah |
| 16:12:48 | pb_ | prpplague: 2.4.24-1 apparently |
| 16:13:00 | pb_ | dc_: weird |
| 16:13:01 | matthew | pb_: apart from them 2 things te defualt image is fine |
| 16:13:07 | pb_ | matthew: excellent |
| 16:13:41 | prpplague | pb_: interesting, it appears that redhat puts include in /usr/include/libxml2/libxml |
| 16:14:04 | prpplague | pb_: welcome to world of rhat |
| 16:14:44 | dc_ | omfg.. |
| 16:14:47 | dc_ | evil |
| 16:14:57 | dc_ | considers re writing gpe-filemanager today |
| 16:15:52 | prpplague | dc_: in fltk? lol |
| 16:16:00 | dc_ | heh |
| 16:19:06 | prpplague | pb_: undefined symbol: gtk_date_combo_clear |
| 16:19:16 | pb_ | prpplague: need a newer libgpewidget |
| 16:19:16 | prpplague | pb_: got that when i tried to add a new contact |
| 16:19:30 | prpplague | pb_: hmm, thats the one from the cvs |
| 16:19:44 | prpplague | pb_: i just built and installed it |
| 16:19:50 | pb_ | use ldd, check that gpe-contacts is actually linking against the one you think it is. |
| 16:20:23 | prpplague | pb_: doing that now |
| 16:22:00 | matthew | pb_: is the libapm you uploaded ok ? |
| 16:22:10 | matthew | pb_: its seems to lie to miniapm |
| 16:22:35 | pb_ | in what way? |
| 16:22:48 | matthew | pb_: it says I have -1 minutes left |
| 16:22:54 | pb_ | hmm |
| 16:22:55 | matthew | pb_: yet it 60% charged |
| 16:23:00 | pb_ | I don't think it was doing that for me. |
| 16:23:17 | matthew | pb_: it appears /proc/apm is giving that too |
| 16:23:26 | pb_ | ah, |
| 16:23:27 | pb_ | . |
| 16:23:43 | prpplague | pb_: ya looks like there is a alot of problems using the cvs on redhat |
| 16:23:51 | pb_ | :-/ |
| 16:24:17 | matthew | prpplague: have you gnome / kde set up of RH8 ? |
| 16:27:54 | prpplague | matthew: not at the house, at the office |
| 16:28:11 | prpplague | matthew: i'm using rhat7.3 right now |
| 16:29:01 | prpplague | pb_: ok i got contacts running, but i get "data type mismatch" when i try to add a new entry |
| 16:29:29 | matthew | prpplague: okey well when you get a mo, see if matbox dock apps dock in kdes panel ( kicker ) |
| 16:30:39 | prpplague | matthew: ya mallum asked about that too |
| 16:30:48 | prpplague | matthew: i should have some time monday |
| 16:31:54 | matthew | prpplague: I am mallum ;) |
| 16:32:06 | matthew | mallum => matthew allum |
| 16:32:24 | matthew | prpplague: Im on my machine upstairs |
| 16:32:34 | pb_ | prpplague: what version of sqlite are you using? |
| 16:33:23 | dc_ | oooh. |
| 16:33:29 | dc_ | error on line ... 666 |
| 16:33:35 | pb_ | nasty! |
| 16:34:22 | prpplague | lol |
| 16:35:26 | BBrox | dc_: you are possessed by the d3vil ! |
| 16:35:35 | prpplague | pb_: sqlite 2.3.0 |
| 16:35:46 | dc_ | I am the son of the devil |
| 16:35:54 | dc_ | what would you expect... |
| 16:36:08 | dc_ | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. |
| 16:36:08 | dc_ | 0x407130ff in g_type_check_class_cast () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 |
| 16:36:12 | pb_ | prpplague: that's quite old, try a newer one. |
| 16:36:14 | dc_ | now what the hell does that mean... |
| 16:36:34 | pb_ | dc_: you passed a bad pointer to some gtk function |
| 16:36:36 | mallum | dc_: I got that error the other day ! |
| 16:36:49 | dc_ | mallum, pb_: indeed it seems. |
| 16:36:52 | prpplague | pb_: ok, i'm bad about finding a stable version and sticking with it |
| 16:36:53 | pb_ | dc_: what does the rst of the backtrace say? |
| 16:36:57 | dc_ | mallum: what was your solution? |
| 16:37:10 | dc_ | #4 0x40030704 in gtk_gpe_pixmap_new () from /usr/local/lib/libgpewidget.so.1 |
| 16:37:12 | dc_ | searches |
| 16:40:19 | jg | mallum: you here? |
| 16:40:57 | prpplague | jg: only is spirit |
| 16:41:02 | prpplague | s/is/in |
| 16:41:33 | dc_ | oh wow. |
| 16:41:36 | dc_ | it starts now :) |
| 16:41:46 | dc_ | it was my badass strcpy's |
| 16:41:50 | pb_ | dc_: ah :-) |
| 16:42:25 | mallum | jg: yep |
| 16:42:33 | mallum | jg: but in a sec I gotta look after kids ! |
| 16:43:16 | prpplague | mallum: just give them some pota dolls and put pota movie on, that'll keep them busy, lol |
| 16:43:23 | jg | I've built the server and am trying to package them now. |
| 16:43:29 | dc_ | hum |
| 16:43:31 | dc_ | I wonder. |
| 16:43:43 | dc_ | strcmp isn't very fast is it... |
| 16:43:46 | dc_ | compared to !+ |
| 16:43:48 | dc_ | != |
| 16:43:50 | dc_ | or == |
| 16:43:51 | pb_ | dc_: no. |
| 16:43:53 | jg | But I have to go pick up my daughter so don't know when I'll get the bits to you. |
| 16:44:14 | dc_ | pb_: so I really should get rid of it.. |
| 16:44:35 | pb_ | dc_: well, it's not _that_ slow, but if you can easily get rid of it, sure. |
| 16:48:59 | mallum | jg: cool, just mail me the binarys is fine |
| 16:49:16 | mallum | prpplague: I gonna try and make them watch tron |
| 16:49:25 | dc_ | mallum: cool ;D |
| 16:49:25 | prpplague | mallum: cool |
| 16:49:27 | dc_ | hehe |
| 16:49:30 | prpplague | mallum: that'll do |
| 16:49:35 | mallum | there sids sisters kids |
| 16:49:47 | dc_ | mallum: :] |
| 16:52:28 | prpplague | pb_: thanks for the pointers, that did the trick |
| 16:52:34 | pb_ | cool. |
| 16:53:23 | prpplague | pb_: if you hang in there helping me out, i promise to buy you all your evening meals at the next OLS, deal? |
| 16:53:36 | pb_ | heh, it's a deal :-) |
| 16:55:43 | pb_ | I've just uploaded a whole slew of new gdk-pixbuf packages for gtk 1. |
| 16:55:50 | pb_ | I hope these will fix the image scaling issues. |
| 16:57:11 | pb_ | I'll do some new gtk 2 packages with the same technology a bit later. |
| 17:06:49 | prpplague | pb_: the gpe-contacts forms seems pretty flexible |
| 17:07:36 | prpplague | pb_: what virtual keyboard are you guys using? |
| 17:10:05 | mallum | prpplague: xkbd |
| 17:15:18 | prpplague | mallum: on my fltk stuff i created a keyboard text entry widget, any place that you need to enter text you clicked and the screen would change to a text entry field with a onscreen keyboard |
| 17:15:38 | prpplague | mallum: you guys have anything like that? |
| 17:22:13 | dc_ | pb_: cool |
| 17:26:26 | mallum | prpplague: no, though its possible to embed xkbd in other apps , so you could in theory do it |
| 17:27:26 | prpplague | mallum: ok, man this is going to take forever to get moved over to gtk |
| 17:28:03 | prpplague | mallum: i really don't want to do it, but i just don't have time to build all these apps myself |
| 17:33:15 | matthew | prpplague: the kbd is pretty well integrated with matchbox |
| 17:40:39 | prpplague | matthew: well, the problem i've had with using popup keyboards is no-computer users have trouble with them |
| 17:41:13 | prpplague | matthew: i'm field studies at a hospital they only figured out how to input the info about 25% of the time |
| 17:42:44 | prpplague | s/i'm/in |
| 17:44:11 | prpplague | why so many lib dependencies for gpe apps? |
| 17:44:43 | pb_ | code-reuse credo :-) |
| 17:47:52 | prpplague | pb_: doesn't that make it more difficult to maintain on an embedded device? |
| 17:48:33 | pb_ | prpplague: no, if anything I would say it makes it easier. |
| 17:50:06 | prpplague | pb_: hmm, more libs to track, more places for different versions of libs to create problems |
| 18:07:39 | prpplague | pierre: howdy there |
| 18:08:00 | pierre | hi |
| 18:10:04 | dc_ | pierre: hey |
| 18:10:14 | pierre | hi |
| 18:19:52 | dc_ | hum |
| 18:31:54 | pierre | miam :-) |
| 18:32:08 | dc_ | boku wa gohan desu |
| 18:32:36 | dc_ | pierre: got any time to help test gpe-filemanager? |
| 18:32:58 | pierre | test, yes. |
| 18:33:04 | dc_ | great. |
| 18:33:16 | dc_ | pierre: well, there's a bug, but I can't quite track it down. |
| 18:33:17 | pierre | i update the CVS.. |
| 18:33:28 | dc_ | wait for me to commit first ;) |
| 18:33:45 | pierre | :) |
| 18:34:36 | dc_ | oka |
| 18:52:10 | pb_ | dc_: suggest you read the documentation for gtk_entry_get_text. :-/ |
| 18:52:33 | jg | mallum: you there? |
| 18:55:22 | mallum | jg: yep |
| 18:56:25 | jg | in my home directory on handhelds.org is a file files.tar.gz... |
| 18:56:41 | jg | it has Xvesa and Xchips, and new randr and render libraries. |
| 18:57:07 | dc_ | pb_: ah, thanks :] |
| 18:58:14 | jg | should have resize, rotation and reflection all supported. |
| 18:58:47 | mallum | jg: excellent - many thanks :) |
| 18:59:28 | mallum | jg: http://handhelds.org/~jg ? |
| 18:59:43 | jg | render should no longer steal your whole colormap on an 8 bit system. |
| 18:59:48 | jg | yes... |
| 19:00:02 | jg | no, actually, in my home directory. |
| 19:00:23 | jg | what's the directory name for the HTTP directory, anyway? |
| 19:00:50 | mallum | public_html ? |
| 19:01:23 | jg | ok, see if you can grab it via http now. |
| 19:02:03 | dc_ | pb_: yay, fixed :) |
| 19:02:15 | dc_ | embarks on the GtkCombo saga now. |
| 19:03:03 | mallum | jg: files.tar.gz ? |
| 19:03:43 | jg | yup. |
| 19:03:56 | pierre | dc : where shall I uit the pixmaps? |
| 19:04:16 | dc_ | pierre: what ones..? |
| 19:04:29 | pierre | for gpe-filemanager |
| 19:04:40 | dc_ | pierre: just run make install |
| 19:04:49 | pierre | hum... yes.. |
| 19:04:55 | dc_ | working... |
| 19:05:06 | mallum | jg: cool - grabbing it now - many thanks |
| 19:07:26 | pierre | dc_: when you type a directory, it update the combo with the parent directory. |
| 19:09:52 | pierre | dctanner_: when you type a directory, it update the combo with the parent directory. |
| 19:10:07 | pierre | dctanner_: you should add a .htm mime type |
| 19:10:26 | dctanner_ | pierre: explain... |
| 19:11:07 | pb_ | dctanner_: cool. |
| 19:11:37 | pierre | well I was in /home/pierre/ |
| 19:11:52 | pierre | and I add prg/ in the combo text |
| 19:12:10 | pierre | then, when you type Enter, it doesnt go to the directory |
| 19:12:34 | jg | mallum: so do they work? |
| 19:12:36 | pierre | and, when I click the update button, it restore the parent, but go to /home/pierre/prg |
| 19:13:25 | dctanner_ | pierre: off....the enter button isn't bound right now. |
| 19:13:51 | dctanner_ | pierre: you have to click the little arrow thing to the right of the entry |
| 19:13:52 | pierre | dctanner_: it should do the same that the update button. (?) |
| 19:14:02 | dctanner_ | pierre: yes..... |
| 19:15:20 | pierre | dctanner_: and I still have to rm my rm ~/.gpe/mime-types |
| 19:15:28 | mallum | jg: I'll probably have to try first thing in the morning now |
| 19:15:53 | mallum | jg: trying to get kids to sleep :( |
| 19:15:58 | dctanner_ | pierre: :/ |
| 19:16:07 | dctanner_ | mallum: read them some reallly complicated book. |
| 19:16:12 | dctanner_ | mallum: it always works for me |
| 19:16:26 | dctanner_ | mallum: maby a regexps book :) |
| 19:16:40 | mallum | dctanner_: I read them a book about dogs and made sound effects |
| 19:16:42 | jg | mallum: I know that routine. |
| 19:16:49 | jg | have a good night. |
| 19:16:51 | dctanner_ | mallum: hehe. |
| 19:17:04 | dctanner_ | plans gpe-fileroller |
| 19:17:06 | dctanner_ | hehe |
| 19:17:27 | mallum | jg: :), I'll be up early no doubt so I can try then ... |
| 19:19:20 | pierre | dctanner_: forget the rm bug, have keep the bug with the old file I ve modified |
| 19:19:53 | pierre | dctanner_: and the first, also.. :} |
| 19:26:27 | dctanner_ | bbl |
| 19:48:45 | cmarqu | Hmm, why would Nautilus manage my desktop, even tho I can start it fine otherwise? |
| 19:48:54 | cmarqu | would *not* |
| 19:53:46 | dctanner_ | heh |
| 19:54:01 | dc_ | feels a bit better after a hot shower |
| 19:54:36 | pb_ | ha. |
| 19:55:37 | dc_ | okay |
| 19:55:39 | dc_ | now... |
| 19:56:30 | dc_ | would a GtkEntry every emit a "changed" signal after a gtk_editable_get_chars...? |
| 19:56:59 | dc_ | hi flypiper |
| 19:57:26 | flypiper | afternoon dc_...just returning from the toy shop :-) |
| 19:57:42 | pb_ | dc_: looks like any insert or delete will cause the changed signal to be emitted. |
| 19:57:44 | dc_ | oooh ? |
| 19:59:54 | mallum | flypiper: ooh, what did you get ? |
| 20:00:33 | flypiper | mallum: just a 15" flat screen monitor for my debian box..:-) |
| 20:01:36 | dc_ | kicks gtk2 xchat |
| 20:02:33 | mallum | flypiper: nice |
| 20:03:52 | flypiper | mallum: yea it looks great.. I have needed one forever..to make room on my office desk:-) |
| 20:06:05 | pb_ | dc_: did you ever try out that new pixbuf library? |
| 20:06:38 | dc_ | pb_: is it in unstable? |
| 20:06:41 | pb_ | dc_: yes. |
| 20:06:55 | dc_ | then my iPAQ is being lame |
| 20:06:59 | pb_ | ah. |
| 20:07:08 | dc_ | because I keep trying to update... |
| 20:07:12 | dc_ | upgrade...whatever. |
| 20:07:14 | dc_ | but it doesn't get a new pixbuf |
| 20:07:15 | pb_ | well, let me check. |
| 20:07:31 | pb_ | I have no working ipaqs here at the moment. :-( |
| 20:07:56 | dc_ | :\ |
| 20:08:18 | pb_ | dc_: yes, it's in Packages. |
| 20:08:23 | pb_ | Package: libgdk-pixbuf2 |
| 20:08:23 | pb_ | Version: 0.20.0-2 |
| 20:11:05 | pb_ | wow, some guy is uploading gnome packages to familiar. |
| 20:11:53 | pb_ | fears any package with a ten-line Depends |
| 20:12:04 | dc_ | wtf..? |
| 20:12:12 | dc_ | crazy |
| 20:12:25 | pb_ | Package: gnome-utils |
| 20:12:30 | pb_ | There it is. |
| 20:13:50 | dc_ | libgdk-pixbuf-loader-png |
| 20:13:54 | dc_ | what's that? |
| 20:14:00 | pb_ | the png loader |
| 20:14:03 | dc_ | whatever it is. |
| 20:14:14 | dc_ | it's not in unstable.. |
| 20:14:14 | dc_ | so says ipkg |
| 20:14:20 | pb_ | oh, did I screw up the dependencies? |
| 20:14:30 | pb_ | the package is actually called gdk-pixbuf-loader-png |
| 20:14:31 | dc_ | it could seem |
| 20:14:33 | pb_ | no lib- on the front. |
| 20:14:41 | dc_ | indeed. |
| 20:14:44 | pb_ | gutted. |
| 20:14:50 | dc_ | so the deps are wrong :] |
| 20:14:50 | pb_ | let me fix that. |
| 20:14:50 | dc_ | hehe |
| 20:14:52 | dc_ | :D |
| 20:16:10 | pb_ | ok, I've uploaded libgdk-pixbuf2_0.20.0-3 |
| 20:16:40 | pb_ | this one should have a correct Depends line. |
| 20:16:41 | pb_ | I hope. |
| 20:18:41 | dc_ | great |
| 20:19:02 | pb_ | probably take a few minutes for Packages to update. |
| 20:19:14 | pb_ | I wish there was some way you could speed that up. |
| 20:20:46 | dc_ | it would be nice |
| 20:20:49 | dc_ | now.. |
| 20:22:15 | pb_ | now..? |
| 20:23:36 | pb_ | dc_: looks like Packages is up to date now |
| 20:24:07 | pb_ | oh, hmm, no. |
| 20:24:26 | pb_ | must be some clock skew thing. |
| 20:27:10 | cmarqu | often looks at the top of http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/?M=D and gets the ipk itself |
| 20:27:51 | pb_ | Yeah. |
| 20:33:00 | pb_ | dc_: ok, this time it really has been updated. |
| 20:33:22 | mallum | hmm whats the menu path for a pim app ? |
| 20:33:31 | pb_ | um? |
| 20:34:01 | mallum | is it just PIM/ ? |
| 20:34:10 | pb_ | Yeah. |
| 20:34:21 | pb_ | At least, that's what all the gpe apps use. |
| 20:42:08 | mallum | okey, thx |
| 20:46:58 | mallum | I made mbmenu change with the theme - not sure if its good or not though .. |
| 20:59:07 | pb_ | Oh right. Sounds nice. |
| 21:08:33 | matthew | pb_: yeah not sure how well it works though .. |
| 21:12:32 | matthew | pb_: hmmm, gpe-session-scripts still seem to depend on appmgr |
| 21:12:45 | matthew | pb_: is it safe to force remove ? |
| 21:12:48 | pb_ | yeah. |
| 21:13:12 | pb_ | that dependency might be spurious now, I'm not sure. |
| 21:13:33 | pb_ | maybe cmarqu or mibus will look into it. |
| 21:19:51 | pb_ | dc_: in case you're interested, I have a gtk2 version of gpe-filemanager running. |
| 21:20:23 | matthew | pb_: how'd you get the strikeout in gpe-todo2 ? |
| 21:20:24 | prpplague | pb_: is there a struct for x11 to store info on a specific window id? |
| 21:21:39 | pb_ | matthew: gpe-todo2 uses a GtkDrawingArea and does all the rendering manually. |
| 21:21:48 | matthew | pb_: ah |
| 21:21:53 | dc_ | pb_: wow :D |
| 21:22:09 | matthew | pb_: I just put a nice shot on scap BTW |
| 21:22:18 | pb_ | dc_: the only part that was a bit painful to convert was the make_nice_title() routine you stole from mibus. |
| 21:23:32 | cmarqu | matthew: Oh, nice indeed |
| 21:24:59 | pb_ | dc_: I mailed you a patch. |
| 21:27:50 | dc_ | yay |
| 21:28:13 | pb_ | dc_: The toolbars look a bit sucky still (this goes for all our gtk2 apps actually). |
| 21:28:22 | dc_ | :/ |
| 21:28:28 | pb_ | dc_: We need to find out what the gtk2 equivalent of gtk_toolbar_set_button_relief is. |
| 21:29:09 | matthew | ok bedtime for me ... night all |
| 21:29:27 | pb_ | night matthew, mallum |
| 21:33:18 | pb_ | prpplague: not that I can think of. What are you trying to do, exactly? |
| 21:36:36 | prpplague | pb_: i'm looking at some flnx code that runs under nano-x |
| 21:36:52 | prpplague | pb_: i think i found it with XWindowAttributes |
| 21:36:58 | pb_ | ah, ok. |
| 21:37:28 | prpplague | pb_: i still can't make up my mind whether to go with gpe or fltk |
| 21:37:37 | pb_ | toss a coin? |
| 21:38:22 | dc_ | or just chose gpe ;D |
| 21:38:23 | dc_ | hehe |
| 21:38:27 | pb_ | ha. |
| 21:38:50 | pb_ | visualises some guys in #fltk saying "just choose fltk" |
| 21:39:08 | pb_ | prpplague: and you haven't even considered Opie yet :-) |
| 21:40:26 | pigeon | Morning all. |
| 21:40:28 | prpplague | pb_: not gonna consider that one |
| 21:40:37 | pb_ | prpplague: wise decision |
| 21:40:48 | pb_ | dc_: btw, code like this will leak memory: |
| 21:40:52 | pb_ | extension = g_malloc (strlen (filename) - i); |
| 21:40:52 | pb_ | extension = g_strdup (filename + i + 1); |
| 21:41:09 | dc_ | :/ |
| 21:41:12 | pb_ | dc_: you have to choose either malloc/strcpy or strdup and stick with it, you can't keep a foot in both camps :-) |
| 21:41:42 | prpplague | pb_: well, CosmicPenguin and i decided that if we don't have an answer by next friday, i'm going to the nudie bar..... if the first striper that comes up to me is blonde->gpe or brunet->fltk |
| 21:41:46 | dc_ | pb_: g_strdup_printf |
| 21:42:10 | dc_ | prpplague: great idea! |
| 21:42:19 | pb_ | prpplague: sounds as good a scheme as any. |
| 21:42:30 | pb_ | dc_: yeah, though printf can be slow. |
| 21:44:45 | dc_ | authough fun |
| 21:44:58 | pb_ | hmm. |
| 21:45:30 | cmarqu | gtk_toolbar_set_style (toolbar, GTK_RELIEF_NONE) seems to be it |
| 21:45:44 | pb_ | Aha! |
| 21:45:48 | pb_ | cmarqu is my hero. |
| 21:45:58 | cmarqu | http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/2.0/gtk/gtktoolbar.html |
| 21:46:10 | dc_ | w00t |
| 21:46:18 | cmarqu | Google rules fairly well. Of course, I didn't try if it works. |
| 21:46:20 | pb_ | cmarqu: Ah, the old "reading the documentation" trick. |
| 21:46:43 | cmarqu | Yeah, I know, that's cheating :) |
| 21:46:59 | pb_ | Hmm, actually, what you wrote doesn't work too well. |
| 21:48:18 | cmarqu | What does http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/2.0/gtk/gtktoolbar.html#GtkToolbar--button-relief try to tell me? |
| 21:48:47 | pb_ | That you need to do something technical with object properties. |
| 21:48:58 | cmarqu | Ah, uhm, yeah. |
| 21:49:07 | pb_ | Despite the regrettable similarity in name, this is not the same as gtk_toolbar_set_style. |
| 21:49:30 | cmarqu | Yeah, just icon/text selection |
| 21:49:54 | pigeon | If you wanna set relief style, use gtk_toolbar_set_button_relief I imagine. |
| 21:50:17 | pb_ | That's the GTK 1 function. |
| 21:50:28 | pigeon | Ah... talking about gtk2 here... |
| 21:55:21 | dc_ | it seems :] |
| 21:55:32 | dc_ | (gpe-filemanager:11102): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "redmond95", |
| 21:55:39 | dc_ | it hates my gtk2 setup....... |
| 21:56:20 | pb_ | Hmm. |
| 21:56:39 | pb_ | "GTK2 supports options settable in the RC file called "style properties". It appears these are not documented anywhere." |
| 21:56:45 | pb_ | (from http://neugierig.org/content/gtk2/) |
| 21:57:53 | cmarqu | Oh. |
| 21:58:08 | pb_ | That was more or less my reaction also. |
| 21:59:29 | cmarqu | http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2001-June/msg00046.html -- would that be BTK2? |
| 21:59:36 | cmarqu | uhm, GTK |
| 21:59:48 | pb_ | Yeah, I think so. |
| 22:00:08 | cmarqu | But of course, he says that the button relief doesn't work :/ |
| 22:00:13 | dc_ | agr |
| 22:00:31 | pb_ | Yes, that's a bit discouraging. But it was almost 18 months ago, so maybe the GTK hackers have improved things since. |
| 22:01:00 | pb_ | dc_: I don't know why gpe-filemanager should hate your setup more than any other gtk2 program. That seems a bit weird. |
| 22:01:57 | dc_ | :[ |
| 22:02:04 | pb_ | dc_: check you haven't accidentally polluted the binary with gtk1 stuff. That's a common error that can lead to all kinds of hilarious results (mostly involving "segmentation fault", though) |
| 22:02:40 | pb_ | dc_: ie, do "ldd gpe-filemanager", and scrutinise the output for any mention of libgtk1.2 or its friends. |
| 22:03:31 | cmarqu | Evil GTK1 cronies! |
| 22:03:40 | pb_ | Exactly. They must be destroyed. |
| 22:05:57 | pigeon | Hmm so, when will gpe stuffs stop supporting gtk1? |
| 22:07:46 | dc_ | wow |
| 22:07:48 | dc_ | it works :D |
| 22:07:56 | dc_ | saweeet :D |
| 22:07:56 | pb_ | cool! |
| 22:08:08 | dc_ | alot faster to |
| 22:10:20 | pb_ | great. |
| 22:10:25 | pb_ | dc_: what did you have to do to make it work? |
| 22:11:56 | dc_ | clean and rebuild libgpewidget... |
| 22:11:58 | dc_ | I think |
| 22:11:58 | dc_ | :] |
| 22:12:08 | pb_ | ah. |
| 22:12:17 | pb_ | yeah, could well be. |
| 22:14:47 | pb_ | you need to make sure the libgpewidget.so symlink is pointing to the .so.0 or .so.1 library, depending on whether you are trying to compile a gtk1 or gtk2 program. |
| 22:17:20 | cmarqu | Actually, this button setting thing is working for me.I just get flat relief by default already |
| 22:17:32 | cmarqu | What *is* the button relief problem? |
| 22:17:54 | pb_ | Hmm, maybe it depends on your theme. |
| 22:18:11 | cmarqu | Yup. I just switched it from NOME to NORMAL |
| 22:18:36 | cmarqu | ERROR: Package gdk-pixbuf-loader-png wants to install file /usr/lib/gdk-pixbuf/loaders/libpixbufloader-png.so |
| 22:18:44 | cmarqu | But that file is already provided by package libgdk-pixbuf2 |
| 22:18:57 | pb_ | Ah, that's unfortunate. |
| 22:19:07 | pb_ | I guess you have to remove the old libgdk-pixbuf2 first. |
| 22:19:52 | pb_ | There must be a way to solve this cleanly, but I don't know what it is. Nor would I be all that confident that ipkg would get it right anyway. |
| 22:21:21 | cmarqu | Okay, got it installed. |
| 22:21:34 | pb_ | Cool. |
| 22:21:35 | cmarqu | Not sure if it improved things though. |
| 22:21:46 | cmarqu | Didn't look at the fm in a while |
| 22:21:54 | pb_ | Ah. |
| 22:22:11 | pb_ | Do you have xstroke installed? The comedy icon you get for that in appmgr might be a good thing to look at. |
| 22:23:12 | cmarqu | Looks like before. But oh, I should log out first. |
| 22:23:19 | pb_ | Ah, yes. |
| 22:24:14 | cmarqu | Uh? xstroke now has a totally different icon. |
| 22:24:25 | pb_ | ? |
| 22:25:03 | cmarqu | Yeah, a hand pointing at a terminal window, not the pixely pen |
| 22:25:14 | pb_ | Hmm. |
| 22:25:29 | pb_ | I think that might be the "default" icon, which would suggest something went wrong loading the real one. |
| 22:25:54 | pb_ | Oh, is it in xpm format or something like that? If so, you may need to install gdk-pixbuf-loader-xpm. |
| 22:26:06 | cmarqu | Ah, hmm. |
| 22:26:27 | cmarqu | Seems so, yes. |
| 22:26:33 | pb_ | Right. |
| 22:26:42 | pb_ | Maybe that should be a default dependency. |
| 22:27:01 | cmarqu | Argh, I was already writing that!!!1! |
| 22:27:04 | cmarqu | :) |
| 22:27:10 | pb_ | It would almost certainly be more useful than JPEG. I have no idea why I included that one. |
| 22:27:33 | cmarqu | jpg is good too I guess |
| 22:27:39 | cmarqu | Ah yes, it is much smoother now |
| 22:27:50 | pb_ | That's good. |
| 22:28:04 | cmarqu | But still, gpe-mfilemanager looks the same I'd say |
| 22:28:31 | dc_ | ;p |
| 22:28:36 | cmarqu | As does its Nautilus icon |
| 22:28:58 | dc_ | that's my problem |
| 22:29:05 | dc_ | lemme find a new icon |
| 22:29:17 | dc_ | pb_: should I commit the gtk2 stuff to cvs? |
| 22:29:23 | pb_ | dc_: sure. |
| 22:29:48 | cmarqu | Ahm. This is gtk-pixbuf2 only, or 1 too? |
| 22:29:53 | pb_ | dc_: I will build and upload a gpe-filemanager2 ipk! |
| 22:30:09 | cmarqu | YESSS! |
| 22:30:36 | dc_ | yay, but let me get a new icon first :D |
| 22:30:42 | pb_ | cmarqu: It's gdk-pixbuf2. I don't know that there ever really was a gdk-pixbuf1. |
| 22:31:03 | cmarqu | Well, I mean, is it supposed to work with any gtk version? |
| 22:31:24 | pb_ | cmarqu: Oh, I see. The libgdk-pixbuf2 package is (confusingly, I admit) for gtk 1. |
| 22:31:39 | cmarqu | Okay. |
| 22:31:46 | dc_ | has another red bull |
| 22:32:08 | dc_ | or should I.... |
| 22:32:17 | dc_ | I wonder. |
| 22:32:20 | prpplague | goes for a german wiessbier |
| 22:32:38 | cmarqu | Urgh. |
| 22:32:40 | pb_ | cmarqu: there is a gtk 2 version as well, but I think that ships as part of the gtk package at the moment. |
| 22:32:40 | dc_ | prpplague: you know they sold me a german red bull today |
| 22:32:57 | cmarqu | pb_: I see |
| 22:33:02 | dc_ | Beleb Geist und Korper is says |
| 22:33:12 | prpplague | ha |
| 22:33:17 | cmarqu | doesn't like Weißbier |
| 22:33:34 | dc_ | I think that's unfair. |
| 22:33:35 | prpplague | cmarqu: i'm not too fond of it myself |
| 22:33:38 | dc_ | hehe |
| 22:33:48 | prpplague | cmarqu: you think i should go for the chimay instead? |
| 22:34:00 | cmarqu | prpplague: Hmm, what's that? |
| 22:34:12 | prpplague | cmarqu: belgian abbey ale |
| 22:34:12 | dc_ | Am besten eiskalt. Kohlensaurehaltig. |
| 22:34:33 | cmarqu | Kohlensäurehaltig |
| 22:34:35 | cmarqu | :) |
| 22:34:48 | cmarqu | prpplague: Maybe, yes |
| 22:35:01 | prpplague | cmarqu: ok, i'm lost, you know us yanks don;t learn other languages and we barely learn english |
| 22:35:41 | cmarqu | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.2956.png -- looks the same to me |
| 22:36:20 | dc_ | wow.. |
| 22:36:31 | dc_ | my eyes are certianly open now 8-D |
| 22:36:51 | pb_ | because of Colin's scap, or the Red Bull? |
| 22:36:55 | dc_ | http://art.gnome.org/images/icons/other/Directory-art.png |
| 22:36:56 | dc_ | yay |
| 22:37:03 | dc_ | that should be our gpe-filemanager icon, hehee |
| 22:37:10 | pb_ | Ha. |
| 22:37:21 | dc_ | pets his code monkey |
| 22:37:34 | cmarqu | But it's Ximian-centric a bit |
| 22:38:06 | pb_ | It is rather. |
| 22:38:27 | dc_ | that gaim icon just beggs for gpe-jabber |
| 22:38:47 | cmarqu | But gaim is already there :) |
| 22:38:55 | dc_ | indeed.. |
| 22:38:57 | dc_ | I posted it ;] |
| 22:39:01 | dc_ | ported... |
| 22:39:14 | dc_ | and then Disconnect beat me up and redid it. |
| 22:39:17 | cmarqu | Yup. Disconnect now has new packages though |
| 22:39:49 | prpplague | cmarqu: http://www.ratebeer.com/ShowBeer.asp?BeerID=53 |
| 22:39:50 | cmarqu | But it still is not really usable I'd say |
| 22:39:59 | dc_ | indeed. |
| 22:40:07 | dc_ | hum |
| 22:40:12 | dc_ | we need to update the gpe-main icon |
| 22:40:26 | dc_ | there's a nice one I put on gpe-icons. |
| 22:41:18 | pb_ | gpe-mail, do you mean? |
| 22:41:34 | dc_ | sorry yes |
| 22:41:53 | pb_ | yeah, I agree it could do with a new icon. |
| 22:42:05 | pb_ | unfortunately, none of the packaging stuff is checked in. |
| 22:42:16 | dc_ | :/ |
| 22:48:59 | dc_ | man it's hard to find an icon for a filemanager. |
| 22:49:51 | dc_ | pb_: so hoe many gpe apps still need testing or converting to gtk2? |
| 22:52:22 | cmarqu | gpe-conf :/ |
| 22:52:50 | dc_ | have we tried compiling it yet... |
| 22:53:13 | cmarqu | Not with GTK2 |
| 22:53:14 | pb_ | dc_: gpe-calendar is the one that still scares me. |
| 22:53:21 | dc_ | pb_: ah yes |
| 22:53:27 | dc_ | I can understand why |
| 22:53:32 | dc_ | http://art.gnome.org/images/icons/other/Shares.png |
| 22:53:35 | dc_ | that's all I can find |
| 22:53:41 | dc_ | to replace the nautilus icon. |
| 22:53:44 | dc_ | what do you think... |
| 22:54:12 | pb_ | dc_: there are lots of small apps that also haven't been converted yet, like gpe-login, gpe-soundbite, etc, but I don't expect those ones to be a big deal. |
| 22:55:25 | pb_ | dc_: I will try to find the courage to start work on porting gpe-calendar in the next few days. |
| 22:55:36 | dc_ | I wish I only had more time. |
| 22:56:04 | pb_ | dc_: that icon isn't bad, it would probably do the job. |
| 22:56:07 | pigeon | dc_: Yeah, *only* more time? :) |
| 22:56:24 | dc_ | heh |
| 22:57:31 | dc_ | okay commited to cvs... |
| 22:57:34 | pb_ | cool. |
| 22:57:41 | dc_ | with a resized nautilus icons for now..... |
| 22:59:21 | pb_ | I'm building a package now. |
| 22:59:35 | dc_ | yay |
| 23:03:29 | pb_ | Okay, done. It's uploaded. |
| 23:04:32 | pb_ | I guess I may as well do a new gtk 1 package as well while I'm about it. |
| 23:05:07 | dc_ | gtk-filemanager2? |
| 23:05:33 | pb_ | gpe-filemanager2 |
| 23:06:31 | dc_ | ah my bad. |
| 23:06:33 | dc_ | hehe |
| 23:06:35 | dc_ | it's late |
| 23:06:41 | dc_ | early |
| 23:06:43 | dc_ | even |
| 23:07:24 | pb_ | right, gpe-filemanager_0.02 is uploaded as well. |
| 23:12:04 | dc_ | hum |
| 23:12:08 | dc_ | my connection lacks |
| 23:14:30 | pb_ | :-/ |
| 23:15:06 | cmarqu | gpe-filemanager2 should conflict with gpe-filemanager: |
| 23:15:13 | cmarqu | ERROR: Package gpe-filemanager2 wants to install file /usr/share/gpe/pixmaps/default/gpe-filemanager/spinner/rest.png |
| 23:15:21 | pb_ | Whoops, I always forget that. |
| 23:15:23 | cmarqu | Etc. |
| 23:15:42 | pb_ | Should it also provide and replace gpe-filemanager, or would that be too much? |
| 23:15:58 | dc_ | no do that |
| 23:16:17 | pb_ | Ok. |
| 23:16:45 | pb_ | Actually, I think if you have provides+replaces, you don't need conflicts. |
| 23:16:57 | dc_ | cool |
| 23:17:30 | dc_ | I wonder if gtk2 has a nicer GtkCombo |
| 23:18:26 | pb_ | ok, I uploaded 0.02-1 with a new control file. |
| 23:18:44 | pb_ | dc_: what don't you like about the old combo? |
| 23:19:30 | dc_ | pb_: it's impossible to connect |
| 23:22:53 | pb_ | going to bed |
| 23:22:54 | pb_ | night |
| 23:23:23 | dc_ | bah |
| 23:23:25 | dc_ | nigh :) |
| 23:23:28 | dc_ | pb_: night :) |
| 23:26:55 | pigeon | Another bug, another fix. |
| 23:27:07 | dc_ | hu? |
| 23:27:16 | pigeon | Found a bug in gpe-todo |
| 23:28:31 | dc_ | cool |
| 23:28:48 | pigeon | With a tiny fix. |
| 23:29:15 | cmarqu | dc_: BTW, does the login background image work for you now? |
| 23:29:29 | pigeon | And then a crash in gpe-todo too. |
| 23:31:24 | cmarqu | |
| 23:32:09 | cmarqu | notes that he would have lots of suggestions for Gnome2/Nautilus |
| 23:34:35 | prpplague | cmarqu: ya well, if rhat8 is the future for gnome, it's a dim future |
| 23:35:40 | cmarqu | I.e., I don't seem to be able to get rid of my partition icons without unmounting them |
| 23:35:57 | cmarqu | Nor can I have my CDROM icon without having it mounted |
| 23:36:19 | cmarqu | It looks a hundred times nicer than KDE though |
| 23:37:40 | dc_ | indeed. |
| 23:37:53 | pigeon | Heh. |
| 23:38:10 | pigeon | Every single bug report are sent to pb_'s mailbox. :] |
| 23:38:29 | cmarqu | Almost, yes |
| 23:44:49 | cmarqu | Hmm, gpe-filemanager gets klilled every other time because of OOM... |
| 23:45:11 | cmarqu | the GTK2 version, that is |
| 23:46:15 | dc_ | hrm |
| 23:57:13 | cmarqu | gpe-filemanager2 has much nicer icons, so the gdk-pixbuf fix didn't really help there |
| 23:58:35 | cmarqu | Oh, it may have been a logout problem |
| 23:59:27 | dc_ | :] |
| 23:59:46 | dc_ | something is up with my gpe-login |
