| 00:04:07 | prpplague | evening all |
| 00:11:10 | pigeon | Hmm. |
| 00:12:35 | pigeon | Hmm why all of a sudden gpe-todo in the unstable feed become gtk2? :\ |
| 00:13:59 | prpplague | lol, i think pb or dc was working on that today |
| 00:15:20 | pigeon | Heh |
| 00:15:21 | pigeon | $ ipkg install gpe-todo_0.23_arm.ipk |
| 00:15:25 | pigeon | Upgrading gpe-todo from 0.24 to 0.23 |
| 00:15:27 | pigeon | :) |
| 00:15:46 | prpplague | lol |
| 00:22:42 | prpplague | pigeon: you use the cvs of gpe? |
| 00:23:12 | pigeon | prpplague: I do. |
| 00:24:49 | prpplague | pigeon: i just pulled down a fresh cvs, there is a Makefile.in in the gpe-contacts dir, but no Mafile |
| 00:26:05 | pigeon | Hmm, there should be a Makefile |
| 00:27:17 | prpplague | hmm, do i need to process Makefile.am with automake or something? |
| 00:27:54 | pigeon | Hmm yes, but I'm wondering why you don't have a Makefile there, I don't actually have Makefile.am with mine. |
| 00:28:17 | prpplague | i'm going to check the cvs web |
| 00:29:35 | prpplague | hmm, there is a makefile in src but not one in the parent |
| 02:22:33 | Fatbum | hola |
| 02:22:43 | Fatbum | anyway to get that phat gpe on a sharp zaurus? |
| 02:22:45 | | well, gpe is the GPE Palmtop Environment and can be found at http://gpe.handhelds.org/ - Join #gpe to chat about it. |
| 02:22:45 | Fatbum | ibot gpe |
| 02:22:53 | Fatbum | w00t i did that |
| 02:24:20 | Fatbum | any1? |
| 07:31:18 | pb_ | yo |
| 07:38:10 | mallum | hey pb_ |
| 11:31:21 | jsmanrique | hi! |
| 11:31:43 | PaxAnima | hello |
| 11:33:47 | mccarthy | oops, fried my ipaq's flash :( |
| 11:33:57 | mccarthy | now I get to reinstall! |
| 11:34:24 | mccarthy | (which always makes me want to actually fix the broken ipaqs that I encounter...like gsoko) |
| 11:34:37 | mccarthy | rather than simply fix them *after* they are installed |
| 11:34:52 | PaxAnima | mccarthy: fried your flash? |
| 11:35:33 | mccarthy | PaxAnima: filled up the flash so I cannot boot |
| 11:35:47 | PaxAnima | oh.. is it possible to do that? |
| 11:35:56 | mccarthy | it might have been fine if it wasnt glibc that was getting updated at the time :( |
| 11:36:12 | mccarthy | it isnt *supposed* to be possible, but obviously it is |
| 11:38:16 | mccarthy | pb_: how do you "read" which option is chosen? |
| 11:45:13 | pb_ | mccarthy: what options are we talking about? |
| 11:46:21 | mccarthy | pb_: the alarm menu (I want to change it to actually pay attention to the minutes, hours, whatever menu options) |
| 11:47:21 | pb_ | mccarthy: you need to set a signal handler to make a note of which option is selected, see gtksimplemenu in libgpewidget. |
| 11:49:00 | mccarthy | pb_: have you tried doing alarms yet? (I agree with the kludging of the atd permission BTW) |
| 11:51:46 | mccarthy | pb_: jamey says that gpe-calendar is not installed by default in the bootgpe image for 0.6 for some reason... |
| 11:54:05 | pb_ | mccarthy: bootgpe is supposed to only be the bootstrap, after all. |
| 11:54:28 | mccarthy | pb_: ok. I just thought it installed task-gpe |
| 11:54:45 | pb_ | no, I haven't tried alarms yet. |
| 11:55:14 | pb_ | mccarthy: I don't know exactly how jamey builds those things. |
| 11:55:32 | pb_ | mccarthy: so long as enough is installed to let the user get a working session, it's probably OK. |
| 14:50:54 | ujsmanriqe | hi! |
| 14:55:10 | ujsmanriqe | hi! |
| 14:57:09 | dc_ | yay |
| 15:00:12 | PaxAnima | yay |
| 15:00:13 | ujsmanriqe | have you seen the "new" low cost ipaqs? |
| 15:02:55 | dc_ | hey |
| 15:03:26 | PaxAnima | ujsmanriqe: no.. are there any pictures of it? |
| 15:03:42 | ujsmanriqe | not yet |
| 15:03:54 | pb_ | hey dc_ |
| 15:05:04 | dc_ | pb_: yo : |
| 15:05:21 | dc_ | man I love gnome2 |
| 15:05:46 | pb_ | ! |
| 15:06:01 | PaxAnima | gnome2 sucks (at least on my PC) |
| 15:06:14 | dc_ | bahhhh |
| 15:06:23 | dc_ | It's so smart. |
| 15:06:23 | dc_ | and cute. |
| 15:06:25 | pb_ | cmarqu: I just uploaded a new gpe-todo that should be linked against the right libraries. |
| 15:06:55 | pb_ | dc_: yeah, it rocks. |
| 15:07:01 | dc_ | :) |
| 15:07:22 | pb_ | anybody tried the gtk2.1 packages out yet? |
| 15:08:08 | pb_ | we need to make a display migration applet for gpe. |
| 15:08:21 | dc_ | cool |
| 15:10:04 | pb_ | yeah. |
| 15:10:11 | pb_ | I might have a go at that when I get bored of this kernel stuff. |
| 15:11:44 | cmarqu | pb_: Cool. |
| 15:12:11 | cmarqu | jamey fixed the catchsegv thing in libc6 |
| 15:12:25 | pb_ | cmarqu: yes, I gave him a kicking earlier :-) |
| 15:12:59 | cmarqu | I had hoped they made sound events selectabe (on/off), ideally per group in Gnome2... |
| 15:13:13 | cmarqu | I want sound for jabber, but not for the rest |
| 15:13:19 | cmarqu | pb_: Aha :) |
| 15:13:35 | cmarqu | Well, BBL |
| 15:16:11 | dc_ | cool |
| 15:22:24 | MasterRa | is there an easy way to make an icon in the gp-appmgr? like if i wanted to have an icon that ran a shell script? |
| 15:26:40 | mallum | heylo |
| 15:30:06 | dc_ | hey mallum! |
| 15:30:18 | mallum | dc_: hey |
| 15:30:24 | dc_ | MasterRa: you'd probly have to make a menu item for now. |
| 15:30:35 | mallum | is depressed today :( |
| 15:30:44 | dc_ | MasterRa: but maby you could suggest shortcuts or something of the sort in bugzilla |
| 15:30:47 | dc_ | mallum: what's up..? |
| 15:30:54 | MasterRa | dc_: ok, how do you do that? |
| 15:30:56 | mallum | dc_: yahoo job fell through :( |
| 15:31:25 | mallum | dc_: And I ordered a wirless card for this job Im doing ( the same as mine in my Linux AP and its different :( ) |
| 15:31:31 | MasterRa | dc_: i'd glady accept any suggested reading links :) though, if it's in the wiki, i've probly read it already, and it hasn't helped ;) |
| 15:32:29 | dc_ | mallum: ahh man :( |
| 15:32:37 | dc_ | MasterRa: have a look at some files in /usr/lib/menu |
| 15:32:44 | dc_ | MasterRa: with gpe-edit ;) hehehe |
| 15:33:29 | pb_ | mallum: ah, gutted. |
| 15:34:16 | mallum | pb_: yeah |
| 15:34:22 | dc_ | :( |
| 15:34:29 | mallum | pb_: they dont even wanna interview me |
| 15:34:38 | mallum | pb_: and no reason why as yet |
| 15:34:39 | MasterRa | dc_: ok. i apologize for being an idiot.. hell, i don't even have a menu button.. i'll assume it's a different package i need installed.. |
| 15:35:16 | mallum | pb_: I was really suprised, cos the 2 phone conversations seemed to go really well and Im sure I cleaned up on there questionaire |
| 15:35:38 | MasterRa | gpe usies matchbox, right? (or not?) |
| 15:35:45 | pb_ | MasterRa: right |
| 15:35:46 | dc_ | MasterRa: ipkg install gpe-edit |
| 15:35:54 | dc_ | MasterRa: then open it up from gpe--appmgr |
| 15:36:07 | dc_ | MasterRa: right |
| 15:36:42 | mallum | MasterRa: yes |
| 15:36:45 | MasterRa | ok. do i need mbmenu to get the menu button then? |
| 15:36:53 | pb_ | mallum: mmm, strange. |
| 15:37:06 | pb_ | mallum: perhaps the vacancy has already been filled or something. |
| 15:37:11 | dc_ | MasterRa: do you really want a menu, gpe-appmgr is pretty cool.. |
| 15:37:14 | mallum | pb_: yeah who knows |
| 15:37:32 | MasterRa | (i'm running a recent install of bootgpe and i did an ipkg install gpe to get most other stuff, just so you know what i've got installed now..) |
| 15:37:37 | mallum | pb_: how do you identify a cardbus card ? I thought they had a goldstrip along the edge ? |
| 15:37:50 | pb_ | mallum: I don't think you can tell visually. |
| 15:37:58 | MasterRa | but i don't have the menu button like i had with familiar 0.5 (which was also running matchbox, i bleieve..) |
| 15:38:12 | mallum | MasterRa: yeah it changed |
| 15:38:19 | dc_ | MasterRa: well try 'ipkg install gpe-appmgr' |
| 15:38:25 | MasterRa | dc_: can i have both? (menu and gpe-appmgr ?) |
| 15:38:33 | dc_ | MasterRa: yep |
| 15:38:34 | pb_ | MasterRa: sure you can. |
| 15:38:49 | mallum | pb_: I ordered a pci adaptor and card ( same manufacturer ) and the card dont fit into the adaptor 1 |
| 15:38:52 | mallum | ! |
| 15:38:56 | dc_ | ouch |
| 15:39:08 | pb_ | mallum: if it physically won't go in, that's probably a voltage mismatch |
| 15:39:11 | dc_ | damn it., |
| 15:39:17 | pb_ | mallum: ie you are trying to put a 3.3V card into a 5V socket. |
| 15:39:25 | dc_ | my sister is trying to seal the laptop to put in her room... |
| 15:39:29 | dc_ | bahhhh |
| 15:39:45 | pb_ | mallum: seems a bit weird that kit from the same vendor doesn't work together though. Which manufacturer was it? |
| 15:39:54 | mallum | pb_: sitecom |
| 15:40:01 | mallum | pb_: shittycom |
| 15:40:12 | MasterRa | dc_: ok, cuz the whole point was to be able to add stuff by hand.. for things that don't automatically add an icon to the appmgr.. if anyone knows how to add things to the appmgr, that would be helpfull too :) |
| 15:40:22 | mallum | pb_: I have a sitecom card I run in my AP and its been excellent ( and it was cheap ) |
| 15:40:22 | dc_ | deletes 93069 files... |
| 15:40:23 | dc_ | :} |
| 15:40:38 | mallum | pb_: so I ordered the same card to set it up for this tate job |
| 15:40:52 | pb_ | mallum: one problem with network cards is that they change almost from day to day. |
| 15:40:53 | dc_ | MasterRa: you just add a menu file ino /usr/lib/menu |
| 15:40:56 | mallum | pb_: but the card is totally different ( though branding is the same ) |
| 15:41:07 | dc_ | MasterRa: and I hink it should show up in both menu and appmgr |
| 15:41:09 | pb_ | mallum: that is, you can buy two cards with the same model number and they will be completely different inside. |
| 15:41:15 | pb_ | mallum: yeah. |
| 15:41:21 | mallum | pb_: *sigh* |
| 15:41:29 | dc_ | MasterRa: but most gpe apps and a few others should put themselves in gpe-appmgr anyway |
| 15:41:45 | mallum | pb_: thing is we already ordered a wmp11 and that didn't workeither in Linux, though it should have |
| 15:41:51 | dc_ | wow...I just gained 3 gigs of free space :) |
| 15:42:08 | MasterRa | dc_: oh, ok. i'll try that out.. what's a menu file? something that's easy to figure out? (i don't have my ipaq handy to check it out) |
| 15:42:15 | mallum | pb_: but it looks to me like the european models are completely different |
| 15:42:16 | pb_ | mallum: a lot of the card vendors are just OEMing generic electronics that they buy in from outside, and they will happily swap from one source to another if they can get a better deal. |
| 15:42:24 | MasterRa | dc_: yeah, most try, but i get a lot of post instal script errors when installing stuff |
| 15:42:41 | mallum | pb_: yeah my only option not is to try and get my evil dwl650 working again |
| 15:42:48 | pb_ | mallum: :-/ |
| 15:42:57 | MasterRa | dc_: i assume they are just older apps that don't try to work with gpe. |
| 15:43:03 | pb_ | mallum: fwiw, I have had good luck with netgear and actiontec wifi cards. |
| 15:43:39 | mallum | pb_: yeah hopefully we can pick up a netgear one from tcr tommorow |
| 15:43:43 | dc_ | MasterRa: yeah, and I think some postinst stuff changed recently so they give errors, but they really should be fine anywya. |
| 15:44:05 | pb_ | hmm, are we _still_ suffering from update-menus errors? |
| 15:44:09 | MasterRa | dc_: yeah, all the apps seem to run fine, i just gotta run them by hand ;) |
| 15:44:15 | mallum | pb_: netgears are prismII based right ? |
| 15:44:17 | dc_ | okay, brb... |
| 15:44:35 | MasterRa | dc_: what was the menu directory again? (can't figure out a scrollback in BitchX) |
| 15:44:36 | pb_ | mallum: yeah, all the cards I have are prism 2. |
| 15:44:40 | pb_ | /usr/lib/menu |
| 15:45:03 | MasterRa | can you scroll back in bitchx? (i'm telnetting in from work.. heh) |
| 15:45:08 | MasterRa | ok, thanks pb_ |
| 15:52:38 | MasterRa | hmm.. miniapm fails with an error about not being able to open the shared apm library.. what's wrong? |
| 15:52:51 | pb_ | ipkg install libamp1 |
| 15:52:55 | pb_ | libapm1 even |
| 15:53:24 | pb_ | mallum, is this fixed in unstable? can we get Jamey to move the package across into 0.6? |
| 15:54:14 | mallum | pb_: they'll be a matchbox 0.3.5 release in the next few days with this fixed |
| 15:54:24 | pb_ | righto. |
| 15:54:27 | mallum | promise |
| 15:54:32 | pb_ | :-) |
| 15:54:48 | MasterRa | i'll have to come back then and get help upgrading.. ;-) |
| 16:07:12 | dc_ | hum |
| 16:07:13 | dc_ | better |
| 16:08:04 | cmarqu | dc_: BTW, did you see the nice icons at art.gnome.org? |
| 16:08:16 | cmarqu | Some are new, I'd say |
| 16:12:01 | dc_ | lemme see. |
| 16:13:25 | dc_ | maby I can add some more gpe-filemanager spinners aswell :D |
| 16:13:50 | dc_ | I think the trash has changed.. |
| 16:13:59 | dc_ | but we have pretty similar ones.. |
| 16:15:23 | cmarqu | Yup. Just for new apps, there are more now |
| 16:18:41 | cmarqu | dc_: Are you aware of xcf sources fo r(any of) the icons? |
| 16:19:55 | mallum | is happyier as his old dwl650 seems to work much better with newer hostap drivers :) |
| 16:20:01 | dc_ | cmarqu: no...it would be nice. you oculd probly contact tigerrt though, I think he made most of the gnome2 stcok icons. |
| 16:20:38 | cmarqu | dc_: Okay. If the icons are (L)GPL, we have to be able to get the source too, right? :) |
| 16:24:02 | dc_ | yep... |
| 16:24:32 | dc_ | rice.. |
| 16:24:36 | dc_ | food :} |
| 16:24:41 | dc_ | man I need some |
| 16:34:46 | dc_ | bbl food |
| 16:34:52 | cmarqu | sh-2.03# ipkg install http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gworldclock/gworldclock_1.0.2-1_arm.deb |
| 16:34:56 | cmarqu | Downloading http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gworldclock/gworldclock_1.0.2-1_arm.deb |
| 16:34:59 | cmarqu | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for gworldclock: |
| 16:35:03 | cmarqu | libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.0.3) libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.0.4) |
| 16:35:09 | cmarqu | Too bad. |
| 17:06:43 | dc_ | cmarqu: garnome :) |
| 17:07:48 | cmarqu | garnome? This is on the ipaq |
| 17:09:04 | dc_ | oh.. |
| 17:09:04 | dc_ | :/ |
| 17:17:02 | pb_ | right. |
| 17:17:50 | dc_ | righty'o |
| 17:19:42 | dc_ | hum |
| 17:22:37 | pb_ | hmm, he didn't stay long. |
| 17:23:15 | dc_ | it seems |
| 17:24:19 | pb_ | hmm, my xmodem isn't working |
| 17:24:31 | dc_ | :/ |
| 17:24:34 | dc_ | what to do..... |
| 17:24:50 | pb_ | dc_: the eternal question... |
| 17:25:04 | pb_ | dc_: port some apps to GTK 2 of course! |
| 17:29:58 | dc_ | ahh ha :) |
| 17:30:13 | dc_ | is gpe-edit ported yet? |
| 17:30:25 | pb_ | yes, that was the first one I did. |
| 17:30:59 | pb_ | you could do gpe-filemanager, but it might be better to hang out for mibus's new wonderwidget. |
| 17:32:17 | dc_ | indeed. |
| 17:32:18 | dc_ | :] |
| 17:32:36 | dc_ | holy shit... |
| 17:32:40 | dc_ | my PDA. |
| 17:33:00 | dc_ | shit! |
| 17:33:07 | dc_ | I left it in my classroom :/// |
| 17:33:21 | dc_ | hummm |
| 17:33:31 | dc_ | oh no.. |
| 17:33:34 | dc_ | hiding in my bed. |
| 17:33:40 | dc_ | phew :D |
| 17:34:23 | pb_ | ha :-) |
| 17:35:37 | dc_ | hum |
| 17:35:50 | dc_ | mabye I can try and get usbnet workng... |
| 17:36:21 | pb_ | good plan |
| 17:37:51 | dc_ | now.. |
| 17:37:57 | dc_ | how should it be setup.... |
| 17:38:10 | dc_ | pb_: do you use it? |
| 17:38:42 | pb_ | dc_: yeah |
| 17:39:00 | pb_ | dc_: on my PC at home anyway, it crashes the machine at the office for some reason. |
| 17:39:30 | dc_ | hum |
| 17:39:37 | dc_ | you got your PAQ? |
| 17:40:38 | pb_ | not with me right now, no. |
| 17:41:19 | dc_ | ah |
| 17:41:32 | pb_ | I might be able to telnet into it. |
| 17:41:49 | dc_ | ooh ;) |
| 17:41:50 | dc_ | cool |
| 17:42:08 | pb_ | oh, hm, no, it lives behind NAT these days |
| 17:42:08 | pb_ | darn |
| 17:42:27 | pb_ | we need to get a smarter wireless gateway at the office, so I can have it on a real IP address. :-} |
| 17:44:54 | dc_ | arg... |
| 17:45:33 | pb_ | I don't think there is any special usbnet stuff on there anyway, though. |
| 17:45:39 | dc_ | now this makes we want to reflash my iPAQ> |
| 17:45:48 | pb_ | what's that? |
| 17:46:06 | dc_ | the iPAQ says there's no usbf device.. |
| 17:46:25 | pb_ | do "ifconfig -a", does it show up there? |
| 17:46:47 | dc_ | no... |
| 17:46:59 | pb_ | dc_: do you have the usb-eth module loaded? |
| 17:47:06 | pb_ | dc_: and sa1100usb_core |
| 17:48:10 | dc_ | that's more like it, heh |
| 17:48:36 | dc_ | now the fun starts |
| 17:51:34 | prpplague | hey guys i need to ask a stupid question, i pulled down a fresh cvs of gpe last night, but when i went to the gpe-contacts dir, i found no Makefile, only Makefile.am and Makfile.in |
| 17:51:47 | dc_ | automake :] |
| 17:51:52 | pb_ | try updating |
| 17:52:04 | pb_ | I took all the automake stuff out of gpe-contacts last night |
| 17:52:12 | prpplague | pb_: ahh |
| 17:52:19 | dc_ | oh :] |
| 17:54:19 | prpplague | pb_: thanks for the headaches, lol |
| 17:54:28 | pb_ | :-) |
| 17:54:58 | prpplague | pb_: i'll try again tonight then |
| 17:55:04 | pb_ | ok, cool. |
| 17:55:16 | pb_ | you should find that Makefile.am and Makefile.in are gone, and there is a plain makefile in their place. |
| 17:55:45 | pb_ | dc_: I am considering de-gladeifying gpe-contacts too. |
| 17:56:13 | pb_ | dc_: mostly because it makes it more difficult to compile the same thing for both gtk 1 and gtk 2 |
| 17:56:26 | dc_ | yeah |
| 17:56:40 | moray | yes. apparently some of the GNOME 2 transition stuff ended up using Makefiles that did libglade-convert etc... |
| 17:57:14 | moray | (well, that would be all you needed if you were using libglade to load the data after that) |
| 17:57:18 | pb_ | The main problem is stuff like GtkToolbar which has (somewhat gratuitously in my view) changed its API in gtk 2.0. |
| 17:57:51 | moray | yes - some of the fixes are probably justified, but they do mean you need to port the code to the new interface rather than just recompile |
| 17:57:51 | pb_ | The generated interface.c is obviously using the gtk 1 interface, and it won't compile with gtk 2 headers and libraries. |
| 17:58:19 | pb_ | yes. |
| 17:58:33 | prpplague | i think i've just about made up my mind to throw my support into gpe, i need to do some test tonight |
| 17:58:36 | moray | I suspect with some of the things transparent compatibility would have been possible, by translating function arguments etc. |
| 17:59:56 | pb_ | yeah, probably. |
| 17:59:58 | dc_ | wow it works.. :} |
| 18:00:05 | pb_ | dc_: cool! |
| 18:00:32 | dc_ | indeed.. |
| 18:00:35 | dc_ | now one other thing. |
| 18:00:42 | pb_ | moray: and as for using libglade, we seem to have come unstuck on the needing-libxml1 issue. |
| 18:00:45 | dc_ | pb_: will an upgrade lose my todos..? |
| 18:00:54 | pb_ | dc_: shouldn't do |
| 18:01:22 | pb_ | dc_: but I suggest you back up ~/.gpe beforehand, just in case disaster strikes. |
| 18:01:24 | dc_ | goooody :} |
| 18:02:04 | mallum | Im gonna go and install some CE apps in a moment ... |
| 18:02:06 | mallum | MUHAHAHAHA |
| 18:02:17 | pb_ | Who are you and what have you done with mallum? |
| 18:02:17 | dc_ | hides |
| 18:02:19 | dc_ | mallum: err... |
| 18:02:54 | mallum | research :) |
| 18:03:06 | pb_ | mallum: "know your enemy" I suppose |
| 18:03:10 | mallum | indeed |
| 18:03:29 | dc_ | heh |
| 18:05:19 | pb_ | mallum: enjoy. |
| 18:07:57 | pb_ | hmm, my linker seems to be broken |
| 18:08:13 | pb_ | that doesn't seem to be what I ordered at all. |
| 18:08:33 | mallum | ummm.... |
| 18:08:37 | dc_ | ouww. |
| 18:08:55 | pb_ | it is displacing all the address in my program by four. :-/ |
| 18:09:19 | moray | erm, 'interesting'. |
| 18:09:36 | pb_ | moray: yes, that's what I thought. |
| 18:09:38 | mallum | linker stinker |
| 18:09:47 | pb_ | mallum: you're getting good at that game |
| 18:10:19 | dc_ | hehe |
| 18:10:31 | dc_ | joins into the game of linker sinker |
| 18:11:45 | pb_ | downloads binutils 2.13 |
| 18:22:28 | pb_ | wow |
| 18:22:31 | pb_ | that fixed it |
| 18:23:58 | dc_ | :] |
| 18:24:27 | dc_ | yo HET2 :D |
| 18:24:34 | HET2 | hi dc |
| 18:24:38 | HET2 | wassup |
| 18:28:04 | pb_ | mallum: now I get as far as "Kernel panic: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel." |
| 18:28:06 | pb_ | mallum: wahey |
| 18:38:41 | dc_ | yay |
| 18:38:50 | dc_ | I got my linux expo email.. |
| 18:38:54 | dc_ | and I get a badge. |
| 18:38:54 | pb_ | cool |
| 18:38:55 | dc_ | cute. |
| 18:39:07 | dc_ | hehe |
| 18:39:20 | pb_ | yeah, I got my badge the other day as well. |
| 18:39:26 | dc_ | cool |
| 18:40:07 | dc_ | we should find some linux format dudes and persue them to do an article on familiar and GPE :] |
| 18:40:14 | dc_ | as they to way to much stuff on QPE right now. |
| 18:41:52 | dc_ | hum |
| 18:42:07 | dc_ | do we have any ideas how long mibus might take with his wonder widget? |
| 18:43:03 | pb_ | dc_: ah yes, good idea. |
| 18:43:16 | pb_ | dc_: we had better ensure that we have some impressive looking gpe-equipped ipaqs on hand. |
| 18:43:47 | pb_ | dc_: no, you would have to discuss mibus's widget with himself, I think. |
| 18:43:54 | moray | yes, and preferably think of demonstration-type things |
| 18:44:05 | pb_ | dc_: last I heard he was looking at this GOB thing to ease the object stuff. |
| 18:44:19 | moray | e.g. playing video on an ipaq, though not ordinarily practical is more likely to look impressive than useful things... |
| 18:44:28 | pb_ | moray: yes. |
| 18:45:16 | pb_ | maybe someone can build a dillo with the spiffy new antialiasing patches, too. |
| 18:45:35 | pb_ | (actually, that might have been done already even) |
| 18:49:24 | mallum | is back from ce adventures |
| 18:49:48 | moray | mallum: phew, you survived? |
| 18:49:58 | mallum | yeah |
| 18:49:59 | pb_ | mallum: find anything exciting? |
| 18:50:05 | mallum | I tried 3 outliners |
| 18:50:19 | mallum | they were like 20$ each for non -trial versions |
| 18:50:29 | dc_ | h.. |
| 18:50:35 | mallum | they all really _sucked_ |
| 18:51:10 | mallum | so I feel positive again |
| 18:51:58 | mallum | pb_: are you actually hacking kernel source now ? or just trying different builds ? |
| 18:52:46 | pb_ | mallum: actually hacking now. |
| 18:53:10 | pb_ | mallum: just been talking to jamey about how the h3800 drivers relate to the hardware in the 3900. |
| 18:53:10 | mallum | pb_: well if you need any help / advice .... |
| 18:53:15 | mallum | pb_: dont ask me ! ;) |
| 18:53:29 | pb_ | mallum: ha, thanks :-) |
| 18:54:18 | pb_ | mallum: I'm in process of flashing the bootgpe image just to get a working userspace, but there is no LCD driver yet so I suspect X will be a bit difficult to drive. |
| 18:55:02 | mallum | pb_: :) |
| 18:57:17 | dc_ | pb_: you got a 3900? |
| 18:57:33 | pb_ | dc_: yeah. |
| 18:57:39 | dc_ | pb_: sweet :D |
| 18:57:42 | dc_ | pb_: where from..>? |
| 18:57:44 | dc_ | when... |
| 19:17:04 | dc_ | sleeeepepp. |
| 19:17:20 | dc_ | early night tonight |
| 19:17:21 | dc_ | :] |
| 19:17:26 | pb_ | dc_: ha, goodnight |
| 19:17:27 | prpplague | dc_: later |
| 19:18:13 | mallum | dc_: gnight |
| 19:23:05 | prpplague | pb_: why not a z? |
| 19:25:15 | mallum | doh, a pint for anyone who can fingure out how to get pango markup to work in tree cells |
| 19:28:56 | prpplague | did i hear "pint" |
| 19:33:35 | prpplague | any working on gpe-sysadmin? i.e. for someone to configure routers and do network diags? |
| 19:36:34 | pb_ | don't think so. |
| 19:39:57 | prpplague | pb_: anything for keeping track of expense receipts while traveling? |
| 19:40:43 | pb_ | dc_ was planning to work on something called gpe-money, but I suspect he hasn't started yet. |
| 19:40:57 | pb_ | (and I'm not quite sure what that program was going to do anyway, it might not have been appropriate) |
| 19:41:06 | pb_ | so "no" is probably the short answer. |
| 19:41:34 | prpplague | ok what about timesheets while on the road? |
| 19:41:53 | pb_ | gpe-timesheet, though it isn't quite functional yet |
| 19:42:32 | prpplague | is that geared towards project timesheets or work in general? |
| 19:42:55 | pb_ | just general work, really -- similar idea to KArm, if you know that at all. |
| 19:43:22 | prpplague | ok, well, i guess i'm going to have to bite the bullet and hook up with gpe |
| 19:43:23 | pb_ | I originally started working on it when I was doing a lot of work on customer's sites, and wanted something to keep track of billable hours. |
| 19:43:49 | pb_ | Just recently I haven't been doing so much of that, so I haven't been so motivated to finish the program. |
| 19:45:05 | prpplague | pb_: ya when i travel i have to keep track of my hours, aka what time i got up, when i take lunch, when i take personell time, when i go to bed, how much is travel |
| 19:49:24 | pb_ | yeah, that's pretty much what gpe-timesheet was for. It just gives you a tree of tasks and a pair of "punch in"/"punch out" buttons. You select a task, hit the button, and it just makes a note of the time in a journal. |
| 19:49:54 | pb_ | Then, obviously, you need a program to do off-line processing of the database to generate an actual report of hours worked in whatever form you need. That's the bit that's missing. |
| 20:11:50 | cmarqu | Apache 1.3.27 released, hmm. |
| 20:12:07 | pb_ | Any big news in that version? |
| 20:15:20 | cmarqu | 3 security fixes. |
| 20:15:38 | pb_ | Aha. |
| 20:15:42 | cmarqu | CAN-2002-0839, 40 and 43 |
| 20:15:53 | pb_ | I don't run a web server any more, so I haven't been keeping up with Apache security stuff. |
| 20:17:32 | pb_ | Yeah, I was just looking at the site. |
| 20:26:07 | prpplague | ok, i needs some pointers here, what the best way to get started with gtk |
| 20:26:08 | prpplague | ? |
| 20:26:22 | prpplague | this seems to be totaly different from what i use to |
| 20:26:49 | pb_ | There are a couple of books on GTK, it might not be a bad idea to buy one of those. |
| 20:27:23 | prpplague | pb_: lol, i've got three here.... |
| 20:27:29 | pb_ | ah :-) |
| 20:27:40 | pb_ | is there any particular bit you're having trouble with? |
| 20:30:06 | prpplague | pb_: well....., i just tried a simple hello world with glade, but it created a ton of files including some Makefile.am and Makefile.in |
| 20:30:37 | pb_ | prpplague: ah, for glade I will have to refer to to my colleague, cmarqu |
| 20:31:29 | moray | prpplague: you need to run ./autogen.sh to bulid configure, then maybe ./configure too, *then* you can make ... |
| 20:31:32 | cmarqu | Bwahaha |
| 20:31:52 | moray | prpplague: the real bits should be in src/ |
| 20:32:03 | prpplague | moray: ok thanks, i'm used to building my own makefiles |
| 20:34:39 | prpplague | man this is going to add to my inferiority complexe |
| 20:36:32 | prpplague | ok thanks, that worked |
| 20:39:44 | cmarqu | Do 38xxes have a rotation problem with fam 0.5.3? |
| 20:40:07 | pb_ | Yeah. |
| 20:40:17 | pb_ | 3100s too, I think. |
| 20:40:22 | cmarqu | Hmm. Will 0.6 fix this? |
| 20:40:29 | pb_ | It should do. |
| 20:40:36 | pb_ | Were you thinking of a rotation problem in any particular context? |
| 20:41:04 | cmarqu | Somebody said that on the mailing list of our local LUG |
| 20:41:31 | cmarqu | After calibrating, everything is mirrored -- didn't specify how exactly |
| 20:42:13 | moray | cmarqu: ah, that's the xcalibrate bug - it only worked in 2 of the 4 rotations (this may have been fixed?) |
| 20:42:16 | pb_ | Stuff like xcalibrate, and maybe Xipaq itself, didn't know about the 3800's screen in 0.5. |
| 20:42:42 | pb_ | So, for xcalibrate, you had to tap in exactly the opposite place to where it put the cross in order to ge the desired result. |
| 20:43:01 | cmarqu | Okay, I'm going to write that it should be fixed in 0.6 |
| 20:43:21 | pb_ | Seems reasonable. |
| 20:43:29 | pb_ | Jamey was talking about making 0.6 final tomorrow, so your man shouldn't have long to wait. |
| 20:43:58 | cmarqu | Ah. |
| 20:49:22 | pb_ | Hmm. |
| 20:49:22 | pb_ | Processor : Intel XScale-PXA250 rev 4 (v5l) |
| 20:49:22 | pb_ | BogoMIPS : 99.12 |
| 20:49:27 | pb_ | Rather disappointing bogomips. |
| 20:49:47 | moray | indeed... |
| 20:49:51 | cmarqu | Well, "bogo"... :) |
| 20:50:23 | pb_ | Yeah, I know. But everybody wants to see big numbers there. |
| 20:51:06 | pb_ | I remember there was a time when SMP systems used to print out the sum of the bogomips from all the cpus, just so you would have a more impressive number on the screen. |
| 20:51:59 | prpplague | lol |
| 20:52:03 | moray | pb_: well, you'd be disappointed if adding CPUs to your shiny new system didn't increase its 'score' ;) |
| 20:52:13 | pb_ | moray: exactly :-) |
| 20:52:17 | cmarqu | I guess we'll get much more user questions once 0.6 is released. Should we create a GPENewbie wiki page where we collect info that didn't make it to a Usage page on gpe.handhelds.org? |
| 20:52:27 | pb_ | cmarqu: excellent plan |
| 20:52:43 | moray | cmarqu: I suspect a 'how to get a useful system from the gpe image' would be good too |
| 20:53:04 | moray | cmarqu: since although it's no longer going to 'I just get a grey screen with a cursor', we will presumably get the new equivalent |
| 20:53:19 | cmarqu | Yeah. Too bad that initial intro page never got written |
| 20:53:26 | pb_ | I'm sure Jamey will include some words in the familiar release notes, if anybody has the time to write them. |
| 20:53:34 | moray | e.g. remind people to install the MS fonts if they want a usable terminal (which can cause problems, but hey...) |
| 20:54:04 | cmarqu | I can try to write something up tomorrow during the day |
| 20:54:17 | pb_ | That would be good. |
| 20:54:25 | cmarqu | I just never used the bootgpe image |
| 20:55:00 | pb_ | Mccarthy seems to think it works OK. |
| 20:55:19 | cmarqu | Good then :) |
| 20:55:46 | pb_ | The important things to tell people are probably that they need to "ipkg install gpe" to get all the applications, and that if miniapm refuses to run they should ipkg install libapm1. |
| 20:56:16 | cmarqu | Let me create that wiki page and paste these things |
| 20:56:25 | pb_ | Oh, and maybe something to the effect that yes, we know that mmenu goes away when you click on it (for some people) but no, there isn't a fix. |
| 20:56:41 | mallum | pb_: theres something wierd wrong with mmenu on the images too |
| 20:56:54 | mallum | pb_: na d the xkbd sometimes dont come up in gpe login |
| 20:57:02 | moray | yes, when I was installing for someone else the other day mmenu seemed to die a lot? |
| 20:57:05 | pb_ | mallum: isn't the xkbd thing just people not having the right fonts? |
| 20:57:07 | cmarqu | Wasnn't this the PNG file problem with 31xx? |
| 20:57:19 | moray | and the appmgr bug was annoying :( |
| 20:57:24 | pb_ | cmarqu: no, people on non-31xx see it too. |
| 20:57:26 | mallum | pb_: yeah xkbd-noxft should really be in the base image |
| 20:57:28 | cmarqu | Hmm. |
| 20:57:30 | pb_ | moray: which is that bug? |
| 20:57:40 | moray | pb_: only getting one tabsworth of icons |
| 20:57:46 | pb_ | moray: oh yeah. |
| 20:58:02 | cmarqu | I don't seem to get it anymore, mysteriously |
| 20:58:23 | cmarqu | Maybe it's my new ordering of the dockapps |
| 20:58:35 | moray | pb_: when you have that bug and mmenu dies, you're a bit stuck really |
| 20:58:36 | moray | the unreadable-font-in-the-terminal thing does make it unnecessarily difficult to get started unfortunately |
| 20:58:39 | pb_ | agreed. |
| 21:02:05 | mallum | has no clue about what causes the mmenu bug |
| 21:03:27 | pb_ | That's the one where you just randomly get BadDrawable, right? |
| 21:06:30 | mallum | pb_: yeah |
| 21:06:36 | mallum | pb_: I never had it happen |
| 21:06:50 | pb_ | do you know which call it is that generates the error, or has nobody been able to pin it down? |
| 21:08:22 | mallum | pb_: nope |
| 21:08:41 | mallum | pb_: I have a feeling it could be something wrong with the image |
| 21:09:04 | mallum | pb_: people seem to be able to fix it by upgrading / running from cmd line |
| 21:09:28 | pb_ | hmm. |
| 21:11:31 | cmarqu | http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/GPENewbie is there now |
| 21:12:34 | mallum | cmarqu: cool |
| 21:12:37 | cmarqu | Oh. Did you see the last part of http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/GpeSync ? |
| 21:14:16 | mallum | wonders why the sql db is being exported to xml ? |
| 21:14:50 | pb_ | xml is a data interchange language; sql isn't. |
| 21:16:24 | mallum | pb_: ok maybe the todo should reflect thats when it intended for |
| 21:17:05 | pb_ | which todo are we talking about here? |
| 21:17:34 | pigeon | Whoa... syncml... |
| 21:17:35 | pb_ | oh, the stuff in the GpeSync page cmarqu mentioned? |
| 21:18:19 | mallum | yeah# |
| 21:18:31 | pb_ | I think it ought to be fairly obvious what it's intended for, since it's talking about syncing. |
| 21:18:39 | pb_ | But I guess we can add a note |
| 21:19:05 | pb_ | I don't actually know who wrote the main body of that page. Apparently some OSX user. |
| 21:19:05 | mallum | I only mentioned it cos I thought it was being used to get round the byte ordering dependencie of the sqllite datafiles |
| 21:19:11 | cmarqu | mallum: GPENewbie has "how to add a dock" as the 2nd item now, do you think that's enough for lusers? |
| 21:19:21 | pb_ | mallum: oh crumbs, I see. |
| 21:19:25 | mallum | but I think with newer sqlite it dont matter any more |
| 21:19:28 | cmarqu | pb_: it was gazer :) |
| 21:19:34 | pb_ | mallum: indeed. |
| 21:19:40 | gazer | pb_: I wrote the first version of the GpeSync page. |
| 21:19:50 | gazer | pb_: and I am a part-time OSX user. :) |
| 21:19:52 | mallum | cmarqu: well If I can get 3.5 out in time, its more obvious there |
| 21:20:01 | cmarqu | mallum: Cool. |
| 21:20:07 | pb_ | cmarqu, gazer: ah, right. |
| 21:20:14 | mallum | cmarqu: and the libapm is fixed and maybe? even the mbmenu |
| 21:20:51 | mallum | cmarqu: I hope to get a pre out tommorow , and then a full sunday / monday |
| 21:20:57 | cmarqu | mallum: libapm is a dependency then I guess? I would need to write somethign about how to move dock apps around |
| 21:21:31 | mallum | cmarqu: there a tiny button on newer docks to make it more obvious |
| 21:21:44 | cmarqu | mallum: yeah, I have it :) |
| 21:28:41 | cmarqu | pb_: Should gpe-todo2 maybe Provide: gpe-todo? |
| 21:28:42 | cmarqu | sh-2.03# ipkg remove gpe-todo |
| 21:28:42 | cmarqu | Package gpe-todo is depended upon by packages: |
| 21:28:48 | cmarqu | gpe-apps |
| 21:28:52 | pb_ | cmarqu: Yeah, I guess so. |
| 21:29:11 | pb_ | cmarqu: Does the gtk2 version actually work for you then? |
| 21:29:58 | cmarqu | Yeah, gpe-todo2 maybe always worked. The GTK1 version I just tested, works too |
| 21:30:04 | pb_ | Cool. |
| 21:30:11 | cmarqu | They just can't coexist in gpe-appmgr |
| 21:30:35 | pb_ | Right. |
| 21:30:48 | cmarqu | Now that I removed gpe-todo, I don't have an icon for Todo, even though I have gpe-todo2 installed alright |
| 21:31:16 | pb_ | Presumably you had to force gpe-todo2 to overwrite some of gpe-todo's files? |
| 21:31:16 | pigeon | Hmm for some reasons gpe-todo in the unstable feed became gtk2 yesterday, was that fixed yet? (Or won't be?) |
| 21:31:24 | pb_ | It's fixed now |
| 21:31:46 | cmarqu | pb_: Oh, yes, yesterday, indeed. |
| 21:31:49 | pigeon | Cool ta. |
| 21:32:11 | pb_ | cmarqu: Yeah, in that case gpe-todo would have deleted those files when you uninstalled it, under the illusion that nobody else was using them. |
| 21:32:22 | pb_ | cmarqu: so the .menu file and icon would have been removed. |
| 21:32:23 | cmarqu | Yup. |
| 21:33:03 | pb_ | cmarqu: I can make them install side by side, but I don't think there's much point. I can't imagine anybody would seriously want both installed at once. Probably easiest just to make them explicitly conflict. |
| 21:33:15 | cmarqu | pb_: I committed a new icon for gpe-todo yesterday, I'm a bit surprised your package from today didn't pick it up? |
| 21:33:23 | cmarqu | pb_: ACK |
| 21:33:30 | pb_ | I didn't update, just rebuilt the binary. |
| 21:33:37 | cmarqu | Ah. |
| 21:33:48 | pb_ | I'll do an update now and admire your new icon :-) |
| 21:33:56 | cmarqu | :) |
| 21:34:21 | cmarqu | is OOM again :/ |
| 21:34:30 | pb_ | Ah, the Evolution icon. |
| 21:34:50 | cmarqu | So, is gpe-setbg doing its job for the login screen? |
| 21:35:02 | cmarqu | pb_: Oh, Evo... didn't realize that. |
| 21:35:11 | pb_ | Ah, I knew you were going to ask that. I still haven't tried it out. :-/ |
| 21:35:33 | cmarqu | I wish art.gnome.org would file the icons per app or something, not just flat |
| 21:35:40 | pb_ | cmarqu: Well, at least, that's the icon that Evolution uses. I don't know where it came from originally. |
| 21:36:50 | cmarqu | I thought of making GPE apps use a little overlaid GPE symbol for the icons, to sepearate them a bit from "normal" apps |
| 21:37:03 | cmarqu | I.e., apps that won't get synced the GPE way |
| 21:37:21 | pb_ | Mmm. I don't know whether I like that idea or not. |
| 21:37:26 | cmarqu | But maybe there is not too much point |
| 21:37:30 | cmarqu | Right |
| 21:38:14 | cmarqu | Not sure how much people associate icons to a certain app or just the task this app performs |
| 21:38:18 | pb_ | cmarqu: What was it you didn't like about the old todo icon? Not 3d enough? |
| 21:38:47 | cmarqu | pb_: Yup. It seems a different style. |
| 21:39:03 | moray | cmarqu: I think it depends on the icon partly |
| 21:39:08 | pb_ | cmarqu: Hmm. |
| 21:39:13 | cmarqu | Not smooth/blurry enough |
| 21:39:16 | moray | cmarqu: but certainly the evolution / nautilus type ones are pretty app-specific |
| 21:39:31 | pb_ | cmarqu: do "cvs log gpe-todo.png" some day. |
| 21:39:36 | cmarqu | moray: nautilus, agreed. Not sure about Evo |
| 21:40:04 | moray | cmarqu: well, Evolution has a branding, style etc., unlike e.g. gnome-terminal |
| 21:40:42 | moray | cmarqu: if you're talking about the same Evolution icon I have here (wrhite bits on orange in a black circle) it doesn't really meet the GNOME icon style either... |
| 21:41:12 | cmarqu | moray: This orange is Ximian stuff. I don't mean that. |
| 21:42:10 | moray | cmarqu: right, I'm not sure what icon you mean then |
| 21:42:39 | cmarqu | Found it: http://art.gnome.org/images/icons/other/Tasks.png |
| 21:42:57 | pb_ | Ah yes. |
| 21:42:58 | cmarqu | This one doesn't have too much of an identity I'd say |
| 21:43:02 | moray | indeed |
| 21:43:27 | pb_ | To be honest, I preferred the "old" gpe-todo icon. |
| 21:43:34 | cmarqu | pb_: What did you mean with the cvs log comment? That dc liked it? |
| 21:44:09 | pb_ | cmarqu: That gpe-todo originally used the icon you just checked in, but dc found another one that we thought looked better. |
| 21:44:17 | cmarqu | Ah. |
| 21:45:38 | pb_ | So, I might put it back. I'm not sure. |
| 21:46:02 | cmarqu | pb_: Go ahead. I don't have strong feelings about it. |
| 21:46:25 | pb_ | Okay. Maybe I'll do that tomorrow. I'm going to sleep now. |
| 21:46:29 | pb_ | Night. |
| 21:46:33 | moray | night pb_ |
| 21:46:35 | cmarqu | Night. |
| 21:47:04 | cmarqu | http://handhelds.org/scap/land.14175.png -- this is not a bad idea. |
| 21:47:26 | cmarqu | I.e., the blurring of the unfocussed stuff. |
| 23:19:42 | prpplague | man it gets empty around here at night |
| 23:20:41 | cmarqu | Yup :) |
| 23:24:21 | prpplague | cmarqu: you glade whore? |
| 23:25:02 | prpplague | cmarqu: this is going to be a nightmare for.... switching from fltk to gtk |
| 23:25:52 | cmarqu | I really just used Glade for a very simple app. And I'm not really into C either... just fiddling around |
| 23:27:57 | prpplague | cmarqu: ahh |
| 23:28:30 | cmarqu | I just mentioned it since it gives you at least on overview of the widgets and their names |
| 23:29:47 | prpplague | ya, its similiar to fluid in fltk |
| 23:29:59 | prpplague | i'm not looking forward to doing this |
| 23:30:07 | prpplague | i've alway avoided gtk |
| 23:31:50 | cmarqu | I kinda like it, now that I have people to ask here :) |
| 23:32:52 | prpplague | thats what i was about to say, once i learn the basics i probably won't have any questions, but i hope i can make it through the early stages without getting banned from this channel |
| 23:33:07 | cmarqu | :) |
| 23:34:30 | cmarqu | I'll try to help, I just started again just a few weeks ago. It's not so bad. In the meantime, the stuff I do got even a bit more complicated (for me anyway) |
| 23:36:05 | prpplague | cmarqu: thanks |
| 23:39:13 | prpplague | hmmm, i've yet to get gpe to build from cvs |
| 23:39:47 | prpplague | cmarqu: have you built gpe-contacts from cvs lately? |
| 23:40:06 | cmarqu | prpplague: Let me try |
| 23:43:14 | cmarqu | prpplague: Seems it's missing the Makefile of autogen.sh or something |
| 23:43:21 | cmarqu | s/of/or |
| 23:43:44 | cmarqu | Tell pb_ tomorrow |
| 23:44:02 | prpplague | cmarqu: ok thats what i thought, but since i'm new at this........ |
| 23:44:12 | cmarqu | np |
| 23:44:55 | prpplague | cmarqu: are you running gpe-contacts? |
| 23:45:20 | cmarqu | I have it on the iPAQ, yes |
| 23:45:38 | prpplague | you got a copy of your sql db for that? |
| 23:46:38 | cmarqu | How a copy? I created one with it, yes |
| 23:52:08 | prpplague | cmarqu: i mean one i could look at, i need to find out about how the sql db is structured, but i can't seem to gpe running :( |
| 23:52:24 | cmarqu | Ah, okay. |
| 23:52:31 | cmarqu | One sec |
| 23:55:50 | cmarqu | prpplague: e-mail? I cannot dcc from here |
| 23:55:58 | | you are mailto:dave123@abcsinc.com or Dave Anders |
| 23:55:58 | prpplague | ibot: prpplague |
| 23:56:26 | cmarqu | I made a test "person" with much info filled int |
| 23:56:40 | cmarqu | I could also send you a 386 gpe-contacts binary |
| 23:57:07 | prpplague | cmarqu: that would be nice, promise to not to abuse the info :) |
| 23:57:23 | cmarqu | :) It's really only a dummy |
| 23:58:40 | prpplague | cmarqu: what? no hot cutie's addresses? |
| 23:58:49 | cmarqu | :) |
| 23:59:40 | cmarqu | Let me see... out of 4 entries 1 cutie, not too bad. The rest are guys |
