| 00:00:11 | __moray | hi |
| 00:00:58 | __moray | X decided to kill itself a moment ago, which was 'interesting' |
| 00:01:32 | mibus | oh yeah |
| 00:01:34 | mibus | lovely ;) |
| 00:01:38 | mibus | mine does occasionally |
| 00:01:46 | __moray | hm, and GNOME really doesn't want to be helpful just now |
| 00:02:05 | mibus | im not sure whether its the drivers (which have been OK since my last mobo upgrade) or the fact the fan on the card is failing ;) |
| 00:02:08 | __moray | I'm faced with a blank screen (with pretty background), with no obvious way to run any useful programs |
| 00:02:17 | mibus | still loading? |
| 00:02:19 | __moray | (this screen is currently on a VC) |
| 00:02:33 | __moray | don't think so - I had a panel for a moment, then that died off again... |
| 00:02:34 | mibus | bitchx? |
| 00:02:39 | mibus | odd |
| 00:02:52 | mibus | you might need to drop to a console and kill everything forcibly |
| 00:02:52 | __moray | I have a wm menu, but there's nothing useful in it! |
| 00:03:12 | mibus | ive had issues before with gnome apps like oafd & gconfd sticking around and being annoying... |
| 00:04:02 | __moray | yes, could be that sort of thing actually |
| 00:05:04 | __moray | well, I've got the screen into X again, I'll see how I get on |
| 00:05:06 | mibus | worth a shot at leas |
| 00:05:08 | mibus | least |
| 00:05:19 | __moray | (I'm currently trying to make backups to CDR before I disconnect this machine to pack it up) |
| 00:05:55 | __moray | so it could be gtoaster doing something nasty that's breaking things to start with |
| 00:06:48 | mibus | hmm |
| 00:06:52 | mibus | where are you going? |
| 00:07:08 | __moray | (yes, I just lost my terminal again in X, hm) |
| 00:07:31 | __moray | this computer will be going down to Cambridge, the other one to London |
| 00:08:07 | __moray | ah yes, and gtoaster has died again. |
| 00:08:26 | __moray | maybe there are nested symlinks in the files I'm trying to back up or something |
| 00:08:30 | __moray | (though there shouldn't be) |
| 00:09:33 | __moray | maybe I can get a newer gtoaster package |
| 00:13:46 | flypiper | mibus: evening:-) |
| 00:15:11 | mibus | flypiper: morning :P |
| 00:15:56 | __moray | jg in stereo! |
| 00:16:20 | __moray | (and visibly here, since both monitors are displaying the same virtual console...) |
| 00:16:30 | mibus | lol |
| 00:16:43 | mibus | .... and now for something completely different.... |
| 00:21:30 | jg | __moray: sorry, my panel was frozen, and i ended up with two copies... |
| 00:22:56 | __moray | jg: I wasn't really complaining; I tend to have about 3 clients around.... |
| 00:26:46 | __moray | gr, and gtoaster has died again - it must be that it's falling over on some file |
| 00:28:35 | __moray | maybe I'll just have to make remote backups instead |
| 00:33:23 | mibus | __moray: why not tar up the directory and burn *that*? |
| 00:39:47 | __moray | mibus: well, I could try, but I prefer random-access backups on CDR if possible |
| 00:41:09 | __moray | ah, rather faster burning this time anyway (last time I forgot to change the option, so it only did '2x' speed) |
| 00:43:09 | mibus | hehe |
| 01:39:20 | nelson | ibot: message for mallum: yes, a bit of experience. |
| 01:44:23 | nelson | mibus: (about gpe-appmgr not drawing tabs) maybe you're not creating all the widgets in the right order? Maybe you could, as a work-around, change the spacing on the notepad's tabs? Something that forces a redraw. |
| 01:53:53 | mibus | nelson: i got a Qn for you |
| 01:53:54 | mibus | nelson: im assuming you have more than just the one program normally? |
| 01:53:54 | mibus | do the hardware left/right buttons change tabs? |
| 01:53:54 | mibus | nelson: it works for everyone else ;-) |
| 01:53:55 | mibus | nelson: maybe its something to do with the incredibly small number of apps? |
| 01:55:52 | mibus | <oops> |
| 01:57:09 | nelson | mibus: well, my problem happens on a vanilla installation of 0.6-rc1, with exactly the same set of applications as everybody else. |
| 01:57:42 | mibus | nelson: hmmm |
| 01:57:47 | nelson | I'm kind-of surprised that so few other people have this problem. |
| 01:57:50 | mibus | nelson: 'cept it doesnt happen to me |
| 01:58:05 | mibus | nelson: 'cept it doesnt happen to my friends whose ipaqs i can steal |
| 01:58:09 | mibus | nelson: hmmm |
| 01:58:14 | mibus | nelson: does left/right do anything? |
| 01:58:20 | nelson | Lemme see. |
| 01:58:21 | mibus | nelson: how many apps show up when it does work? |
| 01:58:50 | mibus | should backport appmgr-alpha to gtk1, finish it, and release it to stop ppl whinging :D |
| 01:58:50 | nelson | the initial page has one app on it. |
| 01:59:02 | nelson | :) |
| 01:59:29 | nelson | After I force a resize, it shows me three tabs on the notebook. |
| 02:02:06 | nelson | mibus: left/right cause the tabs to be displayed. |
| 02:03:32 | mibus | nelson: really? wow... |
| 02:06:03 | mibus | is 'left' alone enough? or do you need to go right? |
| 02:06:15 | mibus | cos the leftmost tab is already displayed of course... |
| 02:07:07 | __moray | shuts down the bigger computer until it's moved... |
| 02:08:10 | mibus | i cant for the life of me work out why it might do that... |
| 04:32:51 | colin_werk | Morning. |
| 07:00:45 | jsmanrique | hi! |
| 07:00:48 | jsmanrique | good morning |
| 07:05:53 | PaxAnima | morning |
| 07:20:12 | jsmanrique | pierre : I need last Cyrille email, please |
| 07:32:24 | jsmanrique | pierre : I need last Cyrille email, please |
| 07:33:44 | jsmanrique | ok, he seems to be in courses.. I suppose |
| 07:57:01 | PaxAnima | morning, pb_ |
| 07:57:05 | pb_ | morning |
| 08:05:13 | colin_werk | Morning. |
| 08:08:29 | mallum | hey all |
| 08:34:43 | mallum | just got an error on line 666 |
| 08:35:09 | PaxAnima | not a good sign... |
| 09:06:15 | jsmanrique | hello again |
| 09:06:41 | jsmanrique | I haven't had any answer from the boy that did t9 for linux.. |
| 09:07:23 | jsmanrique | I'd like seeing how it would go in a handheld machine |
| 09:08:42 | PaxAnima | jsmanrique: if the goal for using t9 is to save space, it would be easier to have a couple of mode buttons, that change the meaning of the keys |
| 09:09:59 | jsmanrique | yes, maybe |
| 09:10:22 | jsmanrique | but I'd like a softkeyboard that could be implemented as hardware later.. |
| 09:11:00 | jsmanrique | less keys menas less cost |
| 09:11:10 | jsmanrique | means less cost |
| 09:11:22 | PaxAnima | it could be done in HW as well... just adding "caps lock"-like keys |
| 09:12:26 | jsmanrique | yes, but how many keys would you need to have num-keybd and querty-kbd |
| 09:13:14 | jsmanrique | it is just an idea.. but I haven't seen any sources of t9 for linux |
| 09:13:22 | PaxAnima | yes.. |
| 09:14:20 | jsmanrique | with more or less 20 keys you would have all |
| 09:14:56 | jsmanrique | 12 for numbers and text (to enter comands in t9 mode) |
| 09:15:52 | jsmanrique | 2 shift keys so each key could do 3 different things |
| 09:15:52 | PaxAnima | but you would also want symbols? )(%=+-+*/ and so on |
| 09:16:13 | jsmanrique | 25 keys would be all |
| 09:16:31 | jsmanrique | 12 nums and text input (t9) like mobile keyboards |
| 09:17:10 | jsmanrique | 5 for basic math symbols (/,*,-,+,ENTER/EVAL) |
| 09:17:39 | jsmanrique | 2 shift keys (to add 2 new options for each key) |
| 09:17:48 | jsmanrique | 1 ON/OFF key |
| 09:18:10 | jsmanrique | 1 math key to access math menu |
| 09:18:29 | jsmanrique | 1 apps key to access to apps menu key |
| 09:18:54 | colin_werk | http://search.cpan.org/dist/Text-T9/T9.pm |
| 09:19:10 | jsmanrique | 1 menu key, that would open first item in any menu bar from the app running |
| 09:20:07 | jsmanrique | 1 edit key, that would have all basic edit options (copy, paste, cut) |
| 09:21:09 | jsmanrique | 1 config/setup key that would config gpe or the app running.. |
| 09:21:20 | jsmanrique | and that's all.. |
| 09:21:24 | jsmanrique | 25 keys |
| 09:21:37 | jsmanrique | maybe, 1 more key for del/backspace |
| 09:21:49 | jsmanrique | and of course a directional keypad |
| 09:23:37 | PaxAnima | so 28 keys then.. |
| 09:23:44 | jsmanrique | yes, more or less |
| 09:24:39 | jsmanrique | my hp48 calculator has 49 keys |
| 09:25:16 | jsmanrique | most of them do 4 different things thanks to 2 shifts and one alpha key |
| 09:25:47 | jsmanrique | hp49 calculator has even more keys, and more options |
| 09:26:57 | jsmanrique | so, more complicated.. and designing a new keyboard layout is too expensive |
| 09:27:10 | jsmanrique | so, less keys means, less costs.. |
| 09:27:22 | PaxAnima | maybe |
| 09:27:32 | jsmanrique | this could work too for a software calculator keyboard interface |
| 09:28:17 | PaxAnima | yes... just make a layout for xkbd |
| 09:28:47 | jsmanrique | instead of having a words list for your language, you need a comands list for you software (factor, integrate,..) |
| 09:32:21 | jsmanrique | at least, it is an idea.. |
| 09:32:30 | jsmanrique | I need to find time to work on it.. |
| 09:37:18 | jsmanrique | I've found a nice website with a lot of theory about text input |
| 09:37:29 | jsmanrique | http://www.yorku.ca/mack/index.html |
| 09:46:10 | PaxAnima | jsmanrique: what |
| 09:46:15 | PaxAnima | is that URL? |
| 09:52:29 | jsmanrique | about computer-human interfaces, text input, etc.. |
| 09:53:19 | PaxAnima | ok |
| 10:06:12 | PaxAnima | yahoo!! finally got the first of the book I ordered from amazon: "Algorithms for image processing and computer vision" ;) |
| 10:10:09 | | dc_ was last seen on #gpe 12 hours, 33 minutes and 2 seconds ago, saying: :) [Wed Sep 25 22:37:07 2002] |
| 10:10:09 | kay | ibot: seen dc_? |
| 10:12:10 | PaxAnima | good morning mibus |
| 10:12:19 | mibus | 8:48PM :P |
| 10:12:21 | mibus | hey petter |
| 10:12:34 | PaxAnima | or good evening ;) |
| 10:12:39 | mibus | ;) |
| 10:25:23 | jsmanrique | pierre_ :are you there? |
| 10:25:36 | PaxAnima | image processing is cool.... ;) (reading my newly arrived book from amazon ;) |
| 10:31:58 | mibus | PaxAnima: what book? anything in particular 'cool'? |
| 10:34:02 | pb_ | hi mibus |
| 10:36:38 | mibus | hi pb_ |
| 10:36:48 | mibus | pb_: noone seems to be against gob yet ;D |
| 10:38:10 | PaxAnima | mibus: it's a C/Algorithm based book... "Algorithms for image processing and computer vision"... very much of it is known for me, but it's nice to see example implementations of it |
| 10:39:02 | pb_ | good-o |
| 10:39:02 | pb_ | I must admit I'm not convinced that gob really buys you all that much. But, still. |
| 10:39:50 | PaxAnima | what is "gob"? |
| 10:39:56 | mibus | well it gets rid of the gtk class initialisers and crap |
| 10:40:13 | mibus | and it was either learn gob or steal huge chunks of code and hope they work ;) |
| 10:40:40 | mibus | i can send you comparisons between the original .[ch] and .gob later if you want |
| 10:40:44 | mibus | i dont have it with me ATM tho |
| 10:47:16 | mibus | wow, note-tp-self: download and run 'celestia' |
| 10:51:25 | pb_ | mibus: well, hardly "huge chunks" of code. gtkdatesel, for example, is only 350 lines in total. |
| 10:51:46 | mibus | pb_: yeah but its still crappy code id rather not steal and have to pretend to understand :D |
| 10:54:05 | mibus | pb_: i have no issue not using it if thats consensus |
| 10:54:05 | mibus | pb_: but if its gonna be used in the future anyway, no point ignoring a useful tool IMHO |
| 10:54:05 | mibus | pb_: if for no other reason than being a good learning tool for finding out how to do XYZ ;) |
| 10:54:05 | PaxAnima | what is gob? |
| 10:54:06 | mibus | PaxAnima: it abstracts away useless bits when you are writing gtk objects |
| 10:54:22 | PaxAnima | oh... sounds nice (in theory) |
| 10:54:34 | mibus | PaxAnima: yes it is ;) |
| 10:54:44 | pb_ | mibus: sure, by all means use it if you like. |
| 10:54:48 | mibus | PaxAnima: but its unnecessary cos you *can* do it all by hand :D |
| 10:56:28 | PaxAnima | everthing can be done by hand, but it normally takes time... ;) |
| 10:56:33 | mibus | ;) |
| 10:57:08 | mibus | its not a *huge* win, but its kinda nice not worrying about how many elements are in the struct gpe_iconlist_class_init has to create... |
| 10:59:17 | pb_ | hmm. |
| 11:00:54 | mibus | pb_: a penny for your thoughts, oh wise one? |
| 11:05:52 | pb_ | mibus: I was just a bit surprised that your class_init function was creating any kind of obscure structure, but maybe I was misremembering how that stuff worked. |
| 11:06:10 | mibus | it had to have a GType struct or something IIRC |
| 11:06:17 | mibus | for gtk_type_new () maybe? |
| 11:06:26 | mibus | i cant remember i didnt really understand it ;) |
| 11:06:28 | mibus | (hence gob :) |
| 11:07:10 | pb_ | oh, okay. |
| 11:07:34 | jsmanrique | ok |
| 11:07:38 | jsmanrique | I have to go soon |
| 11:07:43 | pb_ | I guess the thing you call the "class_init" function is different to what I was thinking of. |
| 11:07:47 | mibus | jsmanrique: ok |
| 11:07:51 | pb_ | you do indeed need to invent a type struct at some point. |
| 11:07:57 | mibus | pb_ the fn called class_init |
| 11:08:02 | mibus | maybe i was thinking of another |
| 11:08:06 | mibus | thats half the point ;) |
| 11:08:20 | jsmanrique | I will search for more info about text input alternatives for handhelds.. |
| 11:08:30 | jsmanrique | t9, letterwise,.. |
| 11:08:35 | jsmanrique | see you later |
| 11:08:39 | mibus | jsmanrique: ciao |
| 11:32:08 | mibus | ok im gonna leave and get ready for bed before i watch mutantx ;D |
| 11:32:59 | mibus | 'night |
| 12:16:26 | mccarthy | so are we ever going to release this thing?! |
| 12:16:40 | mccarthy | what has to happen after the alarm issues are resolved? |
| 12:17:45 | mccarthy | mallum: you around? |
| 12:25:08 | mallum | mccarthy: yep, just |
| 12:25:15 | mallum | mccarthy: whats up |
| 12:25:22 | mccarthy | mallum: do you use matchbox on x86? |
| 12:25:36 | mallum | mccarthy: um, I've run it on a dx100 |
| 12:25:58 | mccarthy | mallum: I guess more importantly, how does one get matchbox integrated in gdm? |
| 12:26:11 | mccarthy | (since there is no matchbox-session to exec) |
| 12:26:25 | mccarthy | (I tried simply running matchbox but that doesnt seem to work) |
| 12:27:05 | mallum | mccarthy: hmm, I have no idea how gdm works |
| 12:27:25 | mallum | mccarthy: what happens when you tell it to just use the matchbox binary ? |
| 12:28:01 | mccarthy | mallum: it simply craps out (and I get some warning about looking in my xsession-errors, but there are none) |
| 12:28:52 | mallum | mccarthy: what happens if you export WINDOW_MANAGER=matchbox or put matchbox in you ~/.xsession ? |
| 12:29:10 | mallum | mccarthy: that may be XWINDOW_MANAGER BTW |
| 12:29:29 | mallum | mccarthy: or if using debian, use update-alternatives to set matchbox ? |
| 12:29:31 | mccarthy | mallum: I dont know I will try. It might be that Redhat is weird about gdm behavior |
| 12:29:56 | mccarthy | I was just monkeying around anyway. |
| 12:30:39 | mccarthy | I think it would be cool if someone were to build an "entertainment system" based on matchbox (i.e., with xawtv and xine and xmms and such) |
| 12:30:49 | mallum | mccarthy: yeah definetly |
| 12:31:26 | mallum | mccarthy: change the dock into something more applicable, hide the title bars etc |
| 12:31:29 | mccarthy | I have an old celeron-based computer with a dvd card in it that I would like to do this with someday |
| 12:31:38 | mallum | mccarthy: I have to shoot off for a mo ... brb |
| 12:31:54 | mccarthy | ok |
| 12:32:02 | mccarthy | I will be leaving in a minute anyway... |
| 12:32:17 | pb_ | mccarthy: you would have to take release issues up with nils. |
| 12:32:23 | pb_ | mccarthy: maybe post to the mailing list, or something. |
| 12:32:57 | mccarthy | but I think matchbox would be perfect if we simply made the dock larger and perhaps self-hiding and we used a simplified gpe-appmgr to start the apps |
| 12:33:10 | mccarthy | pb_: just a general comment.... |
| 12:33:17 | mccarthy | pb_: is atd fixed yet? |
| 12:33:54 | mccarthy | pb_: Looking at the source I dont see what we really need to change other than the "if not today set midnight" line |
| 12:34:07 | pb_ | mccarthy: I haven't heard anything. |
| 12:34:38 | mccarthy | pb_: well, I think I will give it a try.... have you hacked out anything in gpe-calendar that uses atd yet? |
| 12:35:33 | mccarthy | if not, I might change the (un)schedule_alarm functions real quickly |
| 12:36:14 | jsmanrique | hi! again |
| 12:36:15 | mccarthy | pb_: I will leave *when* to run the schedule alarm routine up to you (i.e., whether we do only one at a time and recurring and sorting them, etc.) :) |
| 12:36:32 | jsmanrique | I have put a new link in GPE-HIG wiki |
| 12:38:05 | jsmanrique | I hope you find it interesting |
| 12:39:05 | mccarthy | pb_: you should speak with jamey about breaking out some of the gpe-session-scripts to be general "multi-user" session scripts (for *familiar* rather than gpe) |
| 12:39:37 | mccarthy | ok. gotta go all. see you later |
| 13:12:16 | cmarqu | wonders how we should package xkdb layouts |
| 13:12:38 | cmarqu | xkbd-extra-layouts ? |
| 13:12:53 | prpplague | cmarqu: cardboard box and string? |
| 13:12:58 | cmarqu | :) |
| 13:13:37 | mallum | cmarqu: just package each one seperatly |
| 13:14:15 | prpplague | cmarqu: IMHO i've yet to see an easy way of packaging kbd layouts |
| 13:14:49 | cmarqu | mallum: Well, since they are so small, I'd be reluctant to add the package overhead for each of them... |
| 13:15:03 | cmarqu | Plus all the maintenance... |
| 13:17:40 | mallum | cmarqu: well thats not debians packageing policy |
| 13:17:58 | cmarqu | Hmm. |
| 13:19:00 | cmarqu | At least we should have a makefile that creates many packages from a single directory with all the layout files in it |
| 13:19:49 | cmarqu | Also, we would have geometry and layout separate, so that I can say: " give me a fitaly geometry, but in German". |
| 13:20:09 | cmarqu | Read: "I wish we would have..." |
| 13:20:34 | cmarqu | But then, I do not care enough to actually work on it :) |
| 13:20:51 | PaxAnima | cmarqu: I made a norwegian layout for xkbd yesterday, and used the package name "xkbd-layout-no" |
| 13:21:27 | cmarqu | PaxAnima: okay. Maybe we should collect the layouts together somewhere and set up that makefile thing |
| 13:22:18 | mallum | cmarqu: yeah just like xkbd-layout-no-fitaly |
| 13:22:25 | PaxAnima | cmarqu: what do you need a makefile for? |
| 13:22:44 | mallum | cmarqu: Its hardly gonna be difficuly to maintain, its on 1 file |
| 13:22:45 | cmarqu | PaxAnima: to create many packages |
| 13:23:19 | cmarqu | Ah, okay. We don't really change things once they are st up, right |
| 13:23:40 | cmarqu | I thought of the translation stuff where this happens all the time in contrast |
| 13:24:10 | PaxAnima | cmarqu: my ipkg adds a xkbd(Norwegian) to the Input section... if only the xkbd setup app wasn't hardcoded to the default ones... |
| 13:24:51 | cmarqu | mallum: BTW, what's the difference between the "normal" layout and "US"? |
| 13:25:25 | cmarqu | PaxAnima: the gpe-conf applet you mean? I can take care of that |
| 13:25:26 | mallum | cmarqu: normal is UK |
| 13:25:32 | cmarqu | Ah. :) |
| 13:25:49 | mallum | where 'normal' people come from ;) |
| 13:26:11 | mallum | but I guess it needs to be rename uk |
| 13:26:30 | cmarqu | mallum: that would be nice, yes |
| 13:26:38 | PaxAnima | cmarqu: would be great... just list the extensions of the files in /usr/share/xkbd dir or something... |
| 13:26:46 | cmarqu | Yup. |
| 13:27:03 | mallum | we should prolly name the config files like 'xkbdlayouy.<countrycode>.<variant>' |
| 13:27:22 | mallum | or maybe <countrycode>.<variant>.xkbd ? |
| 13:27:32 | cmarqu | mallum: Ha, I was going to suggest that now. So I can split on the dots |
| 13:27:41 | mallum | cmarqu: yeah |
| 13:27:51 | cmarqu | mallum: I'd say the first is okay |
| 13:27:51 | PaxAnima | as long the config files follows a standard, it doesn't matter? |
| 13:28:05 | mallum | PaxAnima: yeah |
| 13:28:25 | cmarqu | xkbdlayout.<countrycode>_<variant> |
| 13:28:39 | mallum | lets go for <countrycode>.<variant>.xkbd , the config app can then glob the /usr/share/xkbd for layouts |
| 13:28:44 | prpplague | mallum: would variant include items such as special layouts for things like POS, Creditcard pins, and inventory data collection? |
| 13:28:52 | PaxAnima | could call it guiness.is.good.no.normal, same for me ;) |
| 13:28:56 | mallum | prpplague: yeah exactly |
| 13:29:09 | mallum | prpplague: eg all.numbers.xkbd |
| 13:29:22 | prpplague | mallum: ok that would work for me as well then |
| 13:29:23 | mccarthy | mallum: why do all my dock apps land on top of each other now? |
| 13:29:33 | mallum | mccarthy: ? |
| 13:29:36 | prpplague | mccarthy: they are gay? |
| 13:29:42 | mallum | mccarthy: becuse the dock code is crap ;) |
| 13:29:46 | cmarqu | mallum: Oh. You mean <countrycode> is "no_NO", for instance? |
| 13:30:20 | mccarthy | mallum: I think it might be that the appmgr is messing everything else up.... |
| 13:30:26 | mallum | cmarqu: yeah, like locales I guess ? or do we just need the country - how does X do it ? |
| 13:30:31 | cmarqu | not "no.NO" |
| 13:30:56 | PaxAnima | country codes is better... there is 2 norwgian locales, I think, but that doesn't affect the keyboard layout |
| 13:31:02 | cmarqu | mallum: we need to differentiate between countries at least, like de_CH and de_DE |
| 13:31:05 | PaxAnima | is = are (baaaad english) |
| 13:31:24 | mallum | cmarqu: okey |
| 13:31:44 | cmarqu | PaxAnima: de_CH and de_DE are different in layout, AFAIK at least :) |
| 13:32:01 | mallum | I should probably add a config option in the option file for comments, author name, email etc |
| 13:32:09 | cmarqu | PaxAnima: so if Norwegian doesn't need it, just let it be "no" |
| 13:32:17 | cmarqu | mallum: Indeed |
| 13:32:29 | PaxAnima | cmarqu: what is de_CH? (DE is "deutsch"?) |
| 13:32:30 | mallum | cmarqu: ok I'll hack on that now |
| 13:32:44 | cmarqu | PaxAnima: Switzerland |
| 13:33:05 | cmarqu | They don't have an ß |
| 13:33:12 | PaxAnima | ok |
| 13:34:06 | cmarqu | PaxAnima: is your layout in unstable? |
| 13:34:16 | PaxAnima | cmarqu: yes |
| 13:34:33 | cmarqu | Cool. |
| 13:35:15 | pb_ | cmarqu: yeah, "." is usually the character set separator in a locale, like de_DE.iso8859-15 or whatever |
| 13:35:30 | cmarqu | not @? |
| 13:36:08 | cmarqu | Ah no, this was... whatever. |
| 13:36:24 | mccarthy | mallum: how do we get the xrandr dock-app back? |
| 13:37:10 | pb_ | cmarqu: "@" is used to denote different variants. It tends to be quite rare in practice. |
| 13:37:12 | cmarqu | Yes, @ was alternate layouts, like @eur |
| 13:37:17 | mallum | mccarthy: hmmm, I just hacked it |
| 13:37:52 | pb_ | exactly. There are some people using en_GB@euro, for example. |
| 13:37:55 | cmarqu | @euro is rather common in this area :) |
| 13:38:49 | pb_ | cmarqu: you tend to leave the variant out when it's the default; I think the newer glibcs have plain de_DE euro enabled. I suppose you could create a de_DE@deutschmark if you were inclined to nostalgia :-) |
| 13:39:10 | cmarqu | :) |
| 13:39:52 | mccarthy | mallum: I dont know what that means.... I *used* to have it and now have re-added it to the /usr/shar/matchbox/mbdock dir, but I cannot get it to show up in the "add" menu.... should I just add it to the .mbdock file? |
| 13:40:56 | mallum | mccarthy: just add it from a terminal, restart X and the dock should 'remember' it |
| 13:41:10 | pb_ | mccarthy: no, I haven't done any atd-related work on gpe-calendar yet. |
| 13:41:30 | pb_ | mccarthy: I was waiting for mibus to provide the wrapper library. |
| 13:41:37 | mallum | mccarthy: ideally put the bash script in a seperate file and run that from monolaunch |
| 14:11:04 | gazer | looks in. |
| 14:15:47 | PaxAnima | dozes off |
| 14:34:37 | mccarthy | pb_: I think we might have problems between gnu date and busybox date using at... |
| 14:34:54 | pb_ | mccarthy: how come? |
| 14:35:28 | mccarthy | pb_: because the "at" script does "date -d $1 +%s" to get the alarm time |
| 14:35:42 | pb_ | mccarthy: and busybox date doesn't support that, you mean? |
| 14:35:45 | mccarthy | pb_: and the two dates take different values/formats of $1 |
| 14:35:52 | pb_ | mccarthy: ah. |
| 14:36:39 | mccarthy | pb_: we could make at depend on date I guess... |
| 14:36:41 | pb_ | mccarthy: what were we planning to use the at script for ayway? |
| 14:36:43 | pb_ | anyway |
| 14:37:11 | mccarthy | pb_: duh... I guess nothing actually.... we can do that ourselves cant we.... |
| 14:37:14 | pb_ | mccarthy: no, I don't think that would be a good way to proceed. We could try leaning on sandman to make bb date behave more like GNU date, if we are going to have a problem with the current behaviour. |
| 14:37:38 | pb_ | mccarthy: yeah, I think so. |
| 14:37:48 | mccarthy | pb_: no you are correct, we simply need to make the spool entry with the correct name and then "touch" the trigger file (I think) |
| 14:38:02 | pb_ | mccarthy: ok, cool. |
| 14:41:00 | cmarqu | PaxAnima: there is a bug in your layout: after shift_ks section, there is a </key> missing |
| 14:54:18 | mccarthy | pb_: what does the $$ in AT=/var/spool/at/$WHEN.$$ do? |
| 14:58:50 | mallum | I is gtk2 tree master |
| 15:06:30 | pb_ | mccarthy: I think $$ is the PID of the shell, it's probably just trying to invent a unique name. |
| 15:06:36 | pb_ | treemaster: you rule. |
| 15:07:16 | treemaster | treemaster: thanks |
| 15:07:23 | treemaster | treemaster: in honur I have changed my nam e :) |
| 15:09:53 | treemaster | gtk_can_the_function_names_get_any_longer() |
| 15:15:27 | cmarqu | treemaster: does xkbd support AltGr+Shift? |
| 15:17:57 | treemaster | cmarqu: sorry I only know about trees |
| 15:18:24 | cmarqu | :) |
| 15:18:33 | treemaster | treemaster: but probably not |
| 15:18:49 | cmarqu | mallum: does xkbd support AltGr+Shift? |
| 15:19:00 | cmarqu | Oh, he is not here... |
| 15:19:12 | cmarqu | Okay. |
| 15:19:14 | pb_ | Only the treemaster, and he seems intent on talking to himself. |
| 15:19:29 | cmarqu | cmarqu: Oh really? |
| 15:20:18 | treemaster | cmarqu: but probably not |
| 15:20:24 | treemaster | HAPPY NOW ????? |
| 15:20:26 | treemaster | ;) |
| 15:20:37 | cmarqu | cmarqu: Yes. |
| 15:20:57 | cmarqu | cmarqu: Are you talking to me? |
| 15:28:45 | cmarqu | treemaster: if you see mallum, can you ask him if de_DE.normal.xkbd is a good name? |
| 15:30:53 | treemaster | treemaster: mallum says why not de_DE.xkbd |
| 15:32:10 | cmarqu | Hmm. Because of normal, fitaly, mini, opti... |
| 15:32:55 | cmarqu | But okay. |
| 15:37:11 | mccarthy | pb_: alarming is now at-ified |
| 15:37:35 | mccarthy | pb_: I will commit the changed event-ui.c, event-ui.h, and Makefile |
| 15:38:33 | mccarthy | pb_: we need, however, to make the /var/spool/at dir and trigger file world writeable for it to work. Should this go (temporarily) in a postinst script for gpe-calendar? |
| 15:39:03 | PaxAnima | cmarqu: a bug? |
| 15:39:15 | cmarqu | PaxAnima: Well, kindof... |
| 15:39:29 | PaxAnima | but the layout works? |
| 15:39:42 | cmarqu | I think so, yes |
| 15:41:02 | PaxAnima | where is the missing </key>? |
| 15:41:47 | treemaster | cmarqu: we just remove 'normal' for normal keyboard types |
| 15:41:54 | cmarqu | treemaster: Ok |
| 15:42:13 | cmarqu | PaxAnima: after section. Didn't I wrote that? |
| 15:42:17 | cmarqu | s/o/i |
| 15:42:42 | cmarqu | After line 62 |
| 15:43:30 | mccarthy | is there an easy way to make a file executable when creating it from C? (or do I need a system call to chmod)? |
| 15:43:39 | PaxAnima | cmarqu: thanks |
| 15:46:02 | PaxAnima | anything on the nameing of the xkbd layout files? |
| 15:46:47 | cmarqu | PaxAnima: see the backlog. no.xkbd for yours I'd say |
| 15:48:14 | PaxAnima | cmarqu: yes... I just forgot that we agreed upon it ;) |
| 15:48:47 | PaxAnima | (or, the treemaster spoke;) |
| 15:59:02 | cmarqu | PaxAnima: your package should be Architecture: all |
| 15:59:08 | cmarqu | not arm |
| 15:59:48 | cmarqu | I also set Priority to "optional" |
| 16:03:06 | PaxAnima | cmarqu: I just took the control file from another place... I'll fix it |
| 16:04:12 | PaxAnima | the priority was correct, corected the arch |
| 16:04:23 | PaxAnima | thanks (Again) |
| 16:04:53 | PaxAnima | cmarqu: any other comments before doking the ipkg again? |
| 16:05:01 | cmarqu | PaxAnima: np. But it's strange, ipkgfind says priority is unknown... |
| 16:05:17 | cmarqu | PaxAnima: yes, one sec :) |
| 16:05:59 | cmarqu | Ah, no. No comment on the ipkg. |
| 16:06:25 | PaxAnima | good ;) |
| 16:06:36 | cmarqu | PaxAnima: but for now, you can symlink your layout to ~/.kbdconfig, and it will show up in gpe-conf as "User defined" |
| 16:07:22 | PaxAnima | ok |
| 16:08:05 | PaxAnima | is it "All" or "all"? |
| 16:08:15 | mccarthy | pb_: you here? |
| 16:08:19 | cmarqu | all I think |
| 16:13:19 | PaxAnima | how do I remove a package from the feed? since there will be 2 xkbd-layout-no, one with "arm" and one with "all" |
| 16:14:10 | cmarqu | Just bump up the version number |
| 16:14:17 | cmarqu | It'll be fine |
| 16:14:23 | PaxAnima | ok |
| 16:14:37 | cmarqu | Argh. The Mighty Treemaster is not here. |
| 16:14:51 | cmarqu | I want the shift pixmap upside down for CPS |
| 16:16:53 | PaxAnima | there... all this fixing made me hungry..... ;) |
| 16:17:06 | cmarqu | PaxAnima: Ah, you might want to s/esc/Esc/ |
| 16:30:49 | PaxAnima | cmarqu: not now ;) |
| 16:31:53 | PaxAnima | hmm.. what I meant was "don't bother to fix it now" |
| 16:34:01 | cmarqu | :) |
| 16:36:21 | mccarthy | w00t! We now have pretty pixmaps to show alarm/recur (at least in day-view) |
| 16:40:16 | cmarqu | mccarthy: Nice. scpa? |
| 16:40:19 | cmarqu | scap |
| 16:40:36 | mccarthy | cmarqu: not yet.... it isnt *on* my ipaq yet, just my desktop |
| 16:40:59 | cmarqu | Ah. |
| 16:44:55 | mccarthy | cmarqu: how does one use scap? |
| 16:45:37 | cmarqu | mccarthy: See the top of http://handhelds.org/scap/ |
| 16:51:11 | mccarthy | pb_: you should check out gpe-calendar :) |
| 16:51:27 | pb_ | ok. |
| 16:51:38 | mccarthy | pb_: wait one minute and I will have a scap |
| 16:53:27 | pb_ | mccarthy: can you try to make your changelogs a bit more verbose? Like, say which function you changed rather than just which file. |
| 16:53:38 | mccarthy | pb_: sure |
| 16:53:56 | pb_ | cool. |
| 16:53:58 | mccarthy | after I do scap then what? |
| 16:54:12 | pb_ | pardon? |
| 16:54:14 | mccarthy | oh there it is :) |
| 16:54:36 | pb_ | ah, very nice :-) |
| 16:54:42 | mccarthy | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.7620.png |
| 16:54:52 | pb_ | The rotating arrows are recurring, I guess? |
| 16:55:24 | mccarthy | yep |
| 16:55:31 | pb_ | excellent. |
| 16:57:12 | mccarthy | pb_: and we have a working at thingie now |
| 16:57:24 | mccarthy | which we can obviously change when mibus is done |
| 16:57:34 | mccarthy | one (small) problem though.... |
| 16:58:29 | mccarthy | if you reboot, the /var/spool/at dir gets recreated (so all of you alarms get hosed), but *my* issue is that the *permissions* for that directory are then wrong when it is recreated so you can no longer set alarms |
| 16:59:29 | mccarthy | oh well. I will no wupload the latest and greatest |
| 16:59:29 | PaxAnima | mccarthy: how have you done the recurring events, DB wise? |
| 16:59:44 | mccarthy | we need to fix permissions issues as we go (but we already knew that) |
| 16:59:56 | mccarthy | PaxAnima: in an ugly way |
| 17:00:14 | pb_ | mccarthy: yeah, I'm not totally happy with the implementation, but I guess we can live with it until mibus invents something better. |
| 17:00:36 | mccarthy | pb_: and I left recurring alarms up to you :) |
| 17:00:39 | pb_ | mccarthy: if the default permissions on /var/spool/at are unhelpful, you should petition nelson to change them. |
| 17:00:49 | PaxAnima | mccarthy: how ugly? (done some not so good tricks for my own calendar as well) |
| 17:01:27 | mccarthy | PaxAnima: we use a flag for daily, weekly, monthly, yearly |
| 17:01:51 | mccarthy | al but weekly assume once every X number of days/months/etc |
| 17:02:09 | PaxAnima | how do you handle if you change on of the repeating evnents? |
| 17:02:14 | mccarthy | weekly lets you also do a number of days each wekk (MWF for example) |
| 17:02:23 | mccarthy | this is stored bitwise |
| 17:02:39 | cmarqu | mccarthy: Ah, schweet |
| 17:02:41 | mccarthy | PaxAnima: we dont. they *all* change (I *said* ugly) |
| 17:02:48 | PaxAnima | oh.. |
| 17:02:57 | mccarthy | cmarqu: will be uploaded in a minute |
| 17:03:05 | cmarqu | mccarthy: What is that mbdock icon, the blue thing with the red arrows? |
| 17:03:21 | mccarthy | cmarqu: rotate doo-hicky |
| 17:03:28 | cmarqu | Ah. Of course. |
| 17:03:56 | PaxAnima | mccarthy: my calendar allows for chaning events like on the palm ("all", "current" or "current & future"), but it makes things rather ugly :/ |
| 17:04:05 | PaxAnima | changing |
| 17:04:20 | mccarthy | pb_: FYI I have decided that we needed the weird dst fix for *both* month and year views (for almost the same reason on both accounts) |
| 17:04:41 | mccarthy | PaxAnima: so why dont you fix gpe-calendar for me? :) |
| 17:04:59 | mccarthy | I have almost *no* time anymore (now that classes have started again) |
| 17:05:32 | PaxAnima | mccarthy: don't have much time either... the last year of my Master, so I'm kinda occupied... |
| 17:05:44 | mccarthy | what subject? |
| 17:06:05 | cmarqu | I guess we could have an overlaid icon of bothbell and arrows and still have it look nice. Saves a bit room |
| 17:06:19 | pb_ | cmarqu: yeah |
| 17:06:31 | pb_ | mccarthy: ah. :-} |
| 17:07:20 | mccarthy | pb_: you dont want to fix that (recurring alarms) before I release 0.22 do you? |
| 17:07:48 | pb_ | mccarthy: I'm not likely to fix it before the weekend, so I guess you may as well make the upload now. |
| 17:07:55 | mccarthy | BTW, I also need to release a new gpe-icons (obviously) |
| 17:08:09 | PaxAnima | mccarthy: computer science... my diploma will most likely be a continuation of my current project, but it would be fun to do a transcriber-ish handreckognition thing.... |
| 17:08:24 | cmarqu | pb_: BTW, a new gpe-login would also be nice (but no hurry) |
| 17:08:34 | pb_ | mccarthy: sure, go ahead. |
| 17:08:37 | mccarthy | what will change on gpe-login? |
| 17:08:48 | cmarqu | PaxAnima: oh yes, please! |
| 17:09:27 | pb_ | cmarqu: yeah, I might try that this evening. I have a stack of paperwork to do first, though. :-/ |
| 17:09:44 | mccarthy | pb_: I have only put the pixmaps on the day-view.... they should likely also be on the future-view, but it is still broken with respect to recurring events |
| 17:09:57 | pb_ | mccarthy: ok, is there a bug open for that? |
| 17:10:00 | cmarqu | mccarthy: Background image mostly |
| 17:10:28 | mccarthy | pb_: I tried to loop over days in future-view and stop when we hit 15 or so items, but that didnt work (I think it *would* work, but my implementation was buggy so I trashed it) |
| 17:10:46 | cmarqu | mccarthy: like in http://gpe.handhelds.org/images/gpe-login2.png |
| 17:10:53 | mccarthy | pb_: I doubt it. I am *extremely* lazy with regards to bugzilla |
| 17:11:05 | pb_ | mccarthy: can you open one, please? |
| 17:11:30 | mccarthy | cmarqu: ooohhh, nice! |
| 17:11:52 | | bugzilla is http://www.handhelds.org/bugzilla |
| 17:11:52 | mccarthy | ibot bugzilla? |
| 17:11:58 | mccarthy | is that the gpe one? |
| 17:12:01 | | gpe bugzilla is http://europa.debian.org/bugzilla |
| 17:12:01 | cmarqu | ibot: gpe bugzilla? |
| 17:12:04 | mccarthy | or are they the same |
| 17:12:12 | mccarthy | thanks |
| 17:12:31 | cmarqu | ERROR: Package libc6 wants to install file /lib/libSegFault.so |
| 17:12:41 | cmarqu | But that file is already provided by package catchsegv |
| 17:12:41 | pb_ | That again! |
| 17:12:43 | cmarqu | Argh. |
| 17:13:00 | mccarthy | new gpe-icons and gpe-calendar are uploaded.... |
| 17:13:20 | pb_ | cmarqu: I guess you need to talk to jamey. |
| 17:13:40 | cmarqu | pb_: Yeah, or file a bug, an important one |
| 17:13:49 | pb_ | Yeah. |
| 17:13:53 | pb_ | Or both, even :-) |
| 17:13:56 | cmarqu | :) |
| 17:19:47 | mccarthy | does anyone use lightd? |
| 17:20:52 | pb_ | Yeah, but I think I'm going to stop. |
| 17:21:01 | mccarthy | what does it do? |
| 17:21:13 | pb_ | Flicks the backlight on and off at random. |
| 17:21:33 | mccarthy | any interest in having ipaq-sleep *scale* the light? |
| 17:21:41 | mccarthy | (rather than simply toggle it) |
| 17:23:01 | pb_ | Maybe, though I'm not sure how much use I would have for that in practice. |
| 17:24:59 | mccarthy | ok. I have put bug stuff up. I am outta here |
| 17:25:05 | cmarqu | "At random"? Maybe it needs a lot of debouncing |
| 17:25:10 | cmarqu | mccarthy: bye |
| 17:25:27 | pb_ | mccarthy: thanks |
| 17:25:53 | mccarthy | BTW, I think if you use the current atd/gpe-calendar it might drain your batteries because of a combination of the midnight bug and ipaq-sleep permissions bug.... (oops) |
| 17:25:53 | pb_ | cmarqu: yeah, that would probably help. |
| 17:26:11 | cmarqu | pb_: wince seems to have like 5 secs at least |
| 17:26:32 | mccarthy | where is nelson when you need him (at least he can fix the midnight bug) |
| 17:26:41 | mccarthy | ohh wel |
| 17:26:46 | mccarthy | later |
| 17:26:55 | pb_ | cmarqu: I don't think it has any hysteresis, so if the light level is sitting at about the threshold, it tends to be rather unstable. |
| 17:27:38 | PaxAnima | the treemaster returns |
| 17:27:40 | pb_ | yo mallum |
| 17:28:14 | mallum | hello |
| 17:28:15 | cmarqu | mallum: Ah. |
| 17:29:12 | cmarqu | mallum: if you maybe upload a new xkbd, can you provide the image for Shift flipped upside down for use as CAPS? There is no short trasnlation in German... |
| 17:29:25 | mccarthy | ok. I decided it was really rude to let that screw up someones battery. |
| 17:29:40 | mccarthy | pb_: care to update gpe-session-scripts for me? |
| 17:29:49 | mccarthy | (while I fix ipaq-sleep and apmd?) |
| 17:31:57 | mallum | cmarqu: just add the image to your package ? |
| 17:32:12 | mallum | cmarqu: and put it in /usr/share/xkbd/img |
| 17:32:38 | cmarqu | Ah. Hmm. Good idea. |
| 17:32:47 | pb_ | mccarthy: what needs changing? |
| 17:33:06 | mccarthy | wpb: we need to chown /dev/misc/apm_bios |
| 17:33:14 | mccarthy | pb even |
| 17:34:08 | pb_ | ok. |
| 17:34:19 | pb_ | oh, er, actually, not ok. I don't have my ipaq with me to test on. |
| 17:34:39 | mccarthy | pb_: can I zap you a file I have been using already? |
| 17:34:51 | pb_ | mccarthy: can you not just check it in? |
| 17:35:04 | mccarthy | pb_: oh. I guess I can, cant I? |
| 17:35:06 | mccarthy | :) |
| 17:36:14 | mccarthy | pb_: where are they? |
| 17:37:14 | pb_ | in gpe-login |
| 17:38:33 | mccarthy | pb_: I dont see the pre-session? |
| 17:38:53 | mccarthy | nevermind |
| 17:38:56 | cmarqu | mccarthy: in X11 |
| 17:39:17 | cmarqu | Okay. 4 upload of one and the same package in one day... that's gotta be enough |
| 17:41:02 | mccarthy | pb_: it is uploaded now. |
| 17:42:10 | pb_ | ok, cool. |
| 17:42:35 | cmarqu | Hmm, that will actually make gpe-setbg work I guess. |
| 17:42:55 | cmarqu | gpe-apps should depend on that maybe |
| 17:44:12 | pb_ | cmarqu: sorry, depend on what? |
| 17:44:21 | cmarqu | gpe-setbg |
| 17:44:30 | pb_ | good idea. |
| 17:44:35 | pb_ | you want to do that? |
| 17:44:42 | cmarqu | Yup. |
| 17:45:09 | pb_ | dc_: evening |
| 17:45:13 | cmarqu | Hmm, gpe-conf too? |
| 17:45:16 | cmarqu | Hi dc_ |
| 17:45:28 | pb_ | cmarqu: sure. |
| 17:45:29 | dc_ | hey guys :) |
| 17:46:01 | pierre_ | cmarqu: when you will need to do a new version of gpe-conf, please tell me.. |
| 17:46:25 | cmarqu | pb_: Like, depend on everything that's usable? gpe-memo? |
| 17:46:39 | cmarqu | pierre_: Ah, you! :) |
| 17:46:41 | pb_ | cmarqu: yeah. |
| 17:46:48 | pb_ | cmarqu: (I've never even heard of gpe-memo before.) |
| 17:47:11 | mccarthy | dc_: long time no see |
| 17:47:25 | cmarqu | pierre_: Did you try it recently? Do the buttons stay at the bottom on the iPAQ for instance? |
| 17:47:25 | pierre_ | cmarqu: why me? |
| 17:47:55 | pierre_ | I tried to rebuild tuesday, I think. |
| 17:48:21 | pierre_ | and I had no problem with the buttons. |
| 17:48:39 | cmarqu | pierre_: Cool. |
| 17:49:20 | cmarqu | pierre_: I have uncommitted stuff for a login-setup applet. Works almost okay, but I have one segfault to fix still. Next week... |
| 17:49:21 | dc_ | mccarthy: oh hey |
| 17:49:44 | pierre_ | cmarqu: ok. I will wait a bit.. |
| 17:51:02 | cmarqu | pierre_: if you have a reason to make a new package, just go ahead. Maybe it's even better since the changes will be smaller from version to version... |
| 17:52:00 | pierre_ | I may release a 1.0 version then. |
| 17:53:15 | pierre_ | cmarqu: cause I have now less time to do much gpe dev. |
| 17:54:11 | cmarqu | pierre_: I'm fine with that. |
| 17:54:13 | mccarthy | how does one find a users home directory? |
| 17:54:25 | cmarqu | g_get_home_dir or so |
| 17:54:56 | mccarthy | what library would that depend on though? |
| 17:55:00 | cmarqu | glib |
| 17:55:09 | mccarthy | is there a way without glib? |
| 17:55:30 | cmarqu | getenv("$HOME") |
| 17:55:44 | cmarqu | getenv("HOME") actually |
| 17:56:13 | mccarthy | cmarqu: thanks |
| 17:56:19 | cmarqu | But glib is cooler. Does the right thing when $HOME is not set even (apparently) |
| 18:02:09 | mallum | new league of genlemen series starts at 10 !!!! :))) |
| 18:02:50 | dc_ | w0000t! |
| 18:02:53 | dc_ | mallum: what channel? |
| 18:03:49 | prpplague | mallum: what is that? i've not heard of that one before |
| 18:04:20 | dc_ | prpplague: no way... |
| 18:04:32 | dc_ | every knows the league of gentlemen! |
| 18:04:35 | dc_ | ;] |
| 18:04:38 | mallum | dc_: 2 I think |
| 18:04:48 | dc_ | mallum: sweet |
| 18:04:51 | prpplague | dc_: i'm a yank what do you expect |
| 18:05:01 | dc_ | hehe |
| 18:05:04 | mallum | dc_: we bumbed into one of them monday night at a resturant and sid got a pic with him |
| 18:05:30 | dc_ | no way... |
| 18:06:17 | dc_ | that's pretty cool :) |
| 18:08:46 | prpplague | googles for log |
| 18:10:26 | mallum | http://www.leagueofgentlemen.co.uk/ |
| 18:13:00 | prpplague | interesting stuff |
| 18:13:34 | dc_ | it's pretty warped |
| 18:14:19 | prpplague | http://www.jungle.mcmail.com/league/league2.htm |
| 18:33:35 | mccarthy | pb_: did you make a new session-scripts ipkg? |
| 18:35:27 | mccarthy | cmarqu: are all the gpe-login changes checked in? |
| 18:36:54 | cmarqu | mccarthy: Yes |
| 18:36:59 | mccarthy | cmarqu: nevermind, I will let pb get the gpe-login |
| 18:37:04 | cmarqu | Okay. |
| 18:37:22 | mccarthy | I could submit a new ipk (since I just built it) but.... |
| 18:41:01 | jsmanrique | hi! |
| 18:41:18 | dc_ | ... |
| 18:42:39 | pb_ | mccarthy: by all means upload the new ipk if you have one. |
| 18:42:48 | mccarthy | pb_: of gpe-login also? |
| 18:43:01 | mccarthy | I will do gpe-session-scripts in a minute |
| 18:43:08 | pb_ | mccarthy: why is a new gpe-login required? |
| 18:43:24 | mccarthy | pb_: its not, I just thought cmarqu said there were some cool changes |
| 18:43:44 | pb_ | mccarthy: suggest you leave that one alone for now, I will deal with it later. |
| 18:43:59 | mccarthy | pb_: ok. thats what I was gonna do (if I didnt here from you) |
| 18:44:11 | mccarthy | pb_: I will still do the gpe-session-scripts though |
| 18:44:29 | mccarthy | my ipaq should sleep any second now...... |
| 18:47:08 | cmarqu | gpe-session-scripts should have the changes indeed, not gpe-login |
| 19:19:02 | pb_ | right then. |
| 19:19:17 | pb_ | cmarqu: do you need me to upload any new packages, or has mccarthy taken care of all the ones you wanted? |
| 19:20:11 | mccarthy | pb_: I wasnt uploading anything for cmarqu. I was uploading gpe-session-scripts for myself... |
| 19:20:59 | cmarqu | pb_: gpe-lsession-script should be enough, yeah. |
| 19:21:08 | pb_ | mccarthy: I don't think it matters why you uploaded them. |
| 19:21:21 | pb_ | cmarqu: ok, cool. |
| 19:21:28 | cmarqu | :) |
| 19:22:49 | pb_ | dc_: have you tried out the new appmgr-alpha stuff mibus sent the other day? |
| 19:22:58 | dc_ | no.. :/ |
| 19:23:04 | dc_ | I will tomorrow... |
| 19:23:08 | dc_ | to much school work... |
| 19:23:27 | pb_ | righto. |
| 19:23:39 | pb_ | I haven't had time to look at it either. :-} |
| 19:23:43 | mccarthy | uploading new apmd, ipaq-sleep, and gpe-session-scripts now (so that user-level ipaq-sleep will now work) |
| 19:27:34 | pb_ | mccarthy: what is the "60" for in alarm_t = ev->start-60*ev->alarm ? |
| 19:27:51 | pb_ | mccarthy: isn't ev->alarm supposed to be a number of seconds? |
| 19:28:01 | mccarthy | pb_: it is for seconds. this should change since users might set the value to be other thanminutes |
| 19:28:48 | mccarthy | pb_: well, that would work, but we then need to change the event-ui.c to convert it to seconds (it is now reading the values and *assuming* it is minutes) |
| 19:28:57 | pb_ | mccarthy: ah. |
| 19:29:03 | mccarthy | pb_: A stupid bug that I never got around to fixing |
| 19:29:18 | pb_ | ok, I will file it in bugzilla in a minute. |
| 19:29:24 | mccarthy | (it would be easy, but I have wasted most of the day already :) |
| 19:29:41 | cmarqu | Not wasted I hope! |
| 19:30:22 | cmarqu | "I spent all my money on cars, drinks and women, the rest I just wasted." |
| 19:30:25 | mccarthy | cmarqu: well, I guess alarming works now and so does user-initiated sleeping and we have pretty pictures :) (but no real *work*) |
| 19:30:37 | cmarqu | Pah, work. |
| 19:31:46 | mccarthy | uploads complete |
| 19:31:53 | mccarthy | I am stopping for the day! |
| 19:31:57 | mccarthy | later |
| 19:32:10 | cmarqu | Bye |
| 19:32:18 | dc_ | bye |
| 19:32:29 | dc_ | hum |
| 19:33:35 | pb_ | darn, I don't seem to be able to reach the web. |
| 19:33:55 | pb_ | a thousand curses on my ISP and their stupid transparent proxy. |
| 19:35:09 | mallum | pb_: I know the feeling |
| 19:35:36 | mallum | pb_: there are various free proxys about you can set your browser proxy too to get round it ( temporaraly ) |
| 19:35:49 | pb_ | mallum: yeah, I know, it's just a hassle. |
| 19:35:52 | mallum | pb_: I think webcache.bt.com:3128 is one IIRC |
| 19:36:17 | pb_ | mallum: normally the ntl one comes back after a few minutes, so I don't usually bother to change. |
| 19:38:28 | mallum | pb_: my outliner is close to initial release :) |
| 19:38:39 | pb_ | mallum: wahey! |
| 19:38:45 | pb_ | mallum: do you have a name for it? |
| 19:39:41 | mallum | pb_: yeah , figment |
| 19:39:47 | pb_ | cool. |
| 19:39:54 | pb_ | I'll look out for it :-) |
| 19:41:36 | mallum | pb_: yeah I think I gotta hack the gtk2 fileselector widget a bit though |
| 19:41:45 | mallum | pb_: so it fits on the screen better |
| 19:41:53 | pb_ | mallum: use gtkminifilesel :-) |
| 19:42:01 | mallum | pb_: gtk2 though |
| 19:42:10 | pb_ | doesn't minifilesel do gtk2? |
| 19:42:37 | pb_ | hmm, it must do, gpe-edit uses it. |
| 19:42:51 | mallum | pb_: aha |
| 19:42:57 | cmarqu | Make it use gpe-filemanager :) |
| 19:43:19 | mallum | bah |
| 19:43:47 | mallum | I hate the name gpe |
| 19:45:31 | mallum | pb_: ah there seems to be #define GTK_MAJOR_VERSIONS in the minifilesel source |
| 19:45:41 | pb_ | mallum: ah. :-/ |
| 19:45:43 | pb_ | lemme look. |
| 19:45:57 | mallum | pb_: so it looks good |
| 19:46:00 | pb_ | mallum: oh yeah, the object stuff. |
| 19:46:14 | pb_ | mallum: there isn't any way to do that without #ifdefs unfortunately. |
| 19:46:27 | mallum | pb_: np |
| 19:46:38 | mallum | pb_: does it use the same method calls as a normal filesel ? |
| 19:46:59 | pb_ | mallum: no, not quite. I kept meaning to write a compatibility interface but never quite got around to it. |
| 19:47:24 | pb_ | mallum: probably easiest to look at gpe-edit or nmf for an example of how to use it. |
| 19:52:35 | pb_ | ah, the web is working again. |
| 19:53:04 | mallum | pb_: ok np, I'll figure it out |
| 21:04:24 | dc_ | yay |
| 21:04:33 | dc_ | I found a dvd to divx ripper :) |
| 21:04:43 | jsmanrique | :? |
| 21:35:03 | | ssh-keygen is something you need to run to setup my ipaq's host keys. To do this run the following on my ipaq:'/usr/bin/ssh-keygen -b 1024 -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key -N ""' and '/usr/bin/ssh-keygen -d -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key -N ""' |
| 21:35:03 | dc_ | ibot ssh-keygen |
