| 03:43:33 | nelson | Argh. atd was *designed* to work directly with an alarm editing application. I wish I had been available for the alarm conversation. |
| 04:16:51 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | pow |
| 04:17:43 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | humm i just ipkg install gpe-nmf-mp3 but 1) it didn't reach the menu 2) what's the binariy name |
| 04:18:33 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | ok |
| 04:18:37 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | forget my question ;) |
| 04:18:51 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | let's say i'm not awake :p |
| 04:24:46 | colin_werk | Morning |
| 04:30:04 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | pow! |
| 04:37:47 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | humm guys how does the aplication launcher work ? |
| 04:38:03 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | like when i click on the penguin it disappears |
| 04:39:01 | mibus | youve got an old version which is a little buggy |
| 04:39:08 | mibus | you need to upgrade it :) |
| 04:40:18 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | ok ;) |
| 04:40:30 | colin_werk | Hi guys |
| 04:40:31 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | what are the address of uptodate sources? |
| 04:40:41 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | (i just made an ipkg upgrade) |
| 04:40:49 | colin_werk | Did mallum make a new package yet? I'm not even sure... |
| 04:45:44 | mibus | colin_werk: well mine works so he must have |
| 04:46:34 | mibus | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy: my /etc/ipkg.conf has "src familiar-unstable http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l" |
| 04:48:16 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | k ;) |
| 04:48:19 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | thanx k) |
| 04:48:19 | colin_werk | Hmm, okay... |
| 04:49:16 | mibus | colin_werk: what? |
| 04:49:28 | mibus | reads the latest KCs |
| 04:51:21 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | rhaaa plenty of new tools |
| 04:51:26 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | i love uu mibus |
| 04:51:37 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | i didn't see the line in ipkg.conf :p |
| 04:52:36 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | hope my 16mb of rom wil handle all that stuff |
| 04:53:37 | mibus | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy: just add the line (possibly put a # infront of the line already there), run 'ipkg update', 'ipkg upgrade mmenu' |
| 04:53:58 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | k |
| 04:54:07 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | actually i upgraded everything :p |
| 04:55:16 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | keep it simple :p |
| 04:58:38 | mibus | colin_werk: im busy making my lovely new icon-drawing code for appmgr a widget, lotsa fun :) |
| 05:10:14 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | humm looks like it freezed during xlibs upgrade,, |
| 05:10:24 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | should i wait or soft reset it? |
| 05:15:45 | mibus | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy: id leave it for a few minutes at least |
| 05:15:49 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | humm ok x is dead :p |
| 05:15:54 | mibus | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy: can you ping it or anything? |
| 05:15:58 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | i left it for a few minutes |
| 05:16:01 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | yep |
| 05:16:05 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | don't worry |
| 05:16:08 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | just xlibs pb |
| 05:16:10 | mibus | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy: writing to flash seems to make it vvvveeeerrrryyyy sssslllloooowwww |
| 05:16:12 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | i'll reinstall it |
| 05:16:17 | mibus | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy: yeah |
| 05:16:30 | mibus | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy: though the latest xlibs may still have a bug with window titles |
| 05:16:47 | mibus | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy: in which case you might want to go back to a 4.1 version afterwards ;-) |
| 05:16:54 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | lol |
| 05:16:57 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | ok .. ;) |
| 05:18:16 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | btw i heard stuff like flash accepts upt to 1000 rewriting cycles |
| 05:18:20 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | afterwards it dies |
| 05:18:24 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | is it true? |
| 05:19:54 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | woooww i just launched an upgrade again and it started DEupgradding everything |
| 05:21:04 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | looks like ipkg has trouble with handling multiple source |
| 05:22:37 | mibus | i think its 10000 not just 1000 but yes |
| 05:23:19 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | ok |
| 05:23:31 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | yep 10000 sound better |
| 05:23:48 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | as i think i allready went over the 1000 limit :p |
| 05:28:31 | mibus | ;-) |
| 05:28:44 | mibus | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy: its only per block of flash though, you lose it a little bit at a time |
| 05:28:51 | mibus | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy: but 10000 is a LOT of flash :D |
| 05:29:01 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | ;) |
| 05:29:06 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | i guess so ;) |
| 05:30:27 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | grr mmemnu doesn't come neither does the application manager |
| 05:31:26 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | ok why does it work when i launch it command line |
| 05:31:39 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | and not with the click on taskbar... |
| 05:31:57 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | gpe-appmgr: relocation error: gpe-appmgr: undefined symbol: gpe_get_boxspacing |
| 05:31:59 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | humm |
| 05:33:07 | mibus | ipkg upgrade libgpewidget |
| 05:33:25 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | ok doc ;) |
| 05:33:28 | mibus | mmenu does the little penguin menu, gpe-appmgr is the fullscreen one |
| 05:33:31 | mibus | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy: :D |
| 05:34:03 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | yep both are having trouble :p ;) |
| 05:34:29 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | by the end of the day I'll have understood how gpe is working :p |
| 05:34:31 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | .. or not ;) |
| 05:34:50 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | ipkg upgrade libgpewidget |
| 05:34:50 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | Segmentation fault |
| 05:34:52 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | snif |
| 05:36:49 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | rhaaa how is the force-reinstall stuff working |
| 05:38:02 | mibus | oh its libgpewidget0 not libgpewidget |
| 05:38:05 | mibus | whacks his head |
| 05:38:43 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | anyway he thinks it's uptodate |
| 05:38:53 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | (i noticed for the 0) |
| 05:38:59 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | so i want to force reinstall |
| 05:39:06 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | like with -force-reinstall |
| 05:39:18 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | though ... he doesn's seem very cooperative |
| 05:39:23 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | ipkg --force-reinstall install libgpewidget0 |
| 05:39:24 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | Package libgpewidget0 (0.25) installed in root is up to date |
| 05:40:26 | mibus | dont tell me appmgr is newer than libgpewidget, uh-oh :-( |
| 05:40:47 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | loool |
| 05:40:56 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | i love that depencies stuff ;) |
| 05:41:34 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | libgpewidget0 - Common widget set for GPE |
| 05:41:34 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | libgpewidget0 - |
| 05:41:44 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | why are there 2 entres in the list? |
| 05:41:55 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | ^^output of ipkg list |
| 05:41:59 | mibus | im not sure but mine does it too :( |
| 05:42:37 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | ok i guess as we have the same sources that's normal ;) |
| 05:43:30 | mibus | my libgpewidget0 is right and is 0.25... odd |
| 05:43:59 | mibus | "ipkg -force-depends remove libgpewidget0; ipkg install libgpewidget0" |
| 05:45:19 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | well done |
| 05:45:52 | colin_werk | mibus: Hmm, gpe-appmgr should do a versioned depends on libgpewidget ideally... |
| 05:46:14 | colin_werk | Still strange. |
| 05:48:23 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | k works great now |
| 05:48:47 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | and day of the tentacle still works ;) |
| 05:50:14 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | k stupid question ... with defaut button mapping arrow is mapped ti start the app manager |
| 05:50:33 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | when you are stupid you clik 5 times on it and have 5 app mgr launched |
| 05:50:53 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | and the cross is not activates to kill th ewindow |
| 05:51:04 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | so any other solution than kill -9 ? |
| 05:51:34 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | (actually killall :p) |
| 05:53:08 | mibus | the arrow key thing should check to see if there's a window called "Programs" before it runs it |
| 05:53:12 | mibus | so that shouldnt happen |
| 05:53:16 | mibus | colin_werk: yeah i forgot ;) |
| 05:53:38 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | well it shoud yeah ;) |
| 05:53:41 | mibus | colin_werk: but 0.25 was "latest" (and its correct) but was the wrong version |
| 05:54:06 | mibus | colin_werk: i guess the failed upgrade updated the ipkg list but hadnt updated the file... |
| 05:54:11 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | hehe another stuff : when you try to change the mb theme : mbcontrol failed with return code 256perhaps you have misinstalled something |
| 05:54:42 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | return code 256 is nice .. and btw it worked fine |
| 06:01:45 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | is away: petite partie d'ut2003 |
| 06:05:26 | colin_werk | This "5 gpe-appmgrs" thing is that window title bug, right? |
| 06:11:21 | mibus | colin_werk: umm maybe |
| 06:11:26 | mibus | colin_werk: theres two window title issues ATM |
| 06:11:35 | mibus | colin_werk: one is xlibs setting it to <unnamed> all the time |
| 06:11:43 | mibus | colin_werk: the other is gtk2 setting it so xsi.c cant find it |
| 06:22:46 | colin_werk | Ah, hmm. |
| 06:24:59 | mibus | ive almost completed the rendering part of the GPEIconList, im very happy so far... |
| 06:29:14 | colin_werk | Cool. |
| 06:29:50 | mibus | colin_werk: yeah, appmgr load times are now near-nil :D |
| 06:34:30 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | is away: |
| 06:34:32 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | is away: |
| 06:34:37 | Ksso_Lone_Cowboy | is away: |
| 06:35:04 | colin_werk | mibus: Perfect, so the close button can always do its thing then :) |
| 06:38:03 | mibus | colin_werk: actually, yes thats a great idea! |
| 06:38:11 | mibus | colin_werk: i hadnt thought of it *blush* |
| 06:40:58 | colin_werk | mallum will love you :) |
| 06:49:46 | mibus | colin_werk: icons disappear if you hold down on them |
| 06:51:19 | mibus | colin_werk: actually they go ~ 50% transparent :D |
| 06:53:10 | colin_werk | Uhm, is this a feature? Can imagine it looks nice. scap? |
| 06:53:43 | mibus | nmf is highlighted in the scap |
| 06:54:11 | mibus | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.11970.png |
| 06:54:20 | mibus | but now ive gotta go :D |
| 06:54:22 | mibus | cya later |
| 07:59:33 | mallum | hey pb_ |
| 08:00:27 | pb_ | hi mallum |
| 08:04:26 | pb_ | colin_werk: did you see mccarthy's excuse for missing the alarm discussion? |
| 09:06:22 | colin_werk | pb_: Uhm, no, I didn't. Let me check the archive. |
| 09:09:20 | colin_werk | pb_: Don't see it in the ML archive, did he send it to the list? |
| 09:14:15 | pb_ | colin_werk: No, it was here on IRC. Apparently he was confused by the 24 hour clock. He logged in here at 2100GMT, all fired up and ready to go; seemed a bit deflated when he found out that he was two hours late. |
| 09:17:35 | colin_werk | Uh oh. |
| 09:18:13 | colin_werk | I wrote > Sunday, 2002-09-22, 19:00 GMT (that is 7pm :) |
| 09:18:40 | pb_ | Yeah. He somehow misread 19:00 as 9pm. |
| 09:19:14 | colin_werk | Wasn't he in the military... |
| 09:19:45 | colin_werk | So we really need a timezone selector in GPE |
| 09:20:31 | pb_ | Yes. |
| 09:20:53 | colin_werk | Too bad. Did he say something about our conclusions? |
| 09:20:57 | pb_ | Or, at least, gpe-calendar needs to allow you to set appointments in other timezones. |
| 09:21:09 | colin_werk | Yes, |
| 09:21:11 | pb_ | Yeah, he seemed happy with the conclusions. |
| 09:21:26 | pb_ | But impatient to get on. He didn't want to have to wait for mibus and nils to do their stuff :-) |
| 09:21:46 | colin_werk | Good. Even nelson seems okay with us and our atd ideas. |
| 09:22:22 | pb_ | Yes. |
| 10:13:01 | colin_werk | BBL |
| 10:22:30 | alexksso | humm guys how does sqlite db work ? |
| 10:22:50 | alexksso | i want to put my contacts i jhave in outlook in the gpe-contacts stuff |
| 10:23:51 | alexksso | first question where is the stuff stored? |
| 10:25:32 | pb_ | ~/.gpe/... |
| 10:27:00 | alexksso | yep found that |
| 10:27:13 | alexksso | now about the format used ... any doc ? |
| 10:43:36 | alexksso | rhaaa i install libreadline4 and now gpe-appmgr is all blank |
| 10:43:46 | alexksso | no one single icon left |
| 10:43:53 | alexksso | no nothing a blank window |
| 10:49:36 | alexksso | humm runs as root ut not as user.. |
| 10:53:44 | moray_ | alexksso: if you have the full gpe environment installed you should be running as a non-root user unless you've tried to run as root? |
| 10:54:19 | alexksso | as non root it doesn't work anymore |
| 10:54:23 | alexksso | as root it works fine |
| 10:54:27 | alexksso | mmenu is dead |
| 10:54:32 | alexksso | as gpe-appmgr |
| 10:54:50 | alexksso | gpe-appmgr remains blank not showing any icon |
| 10:55:03 | alexksso | i guess a config file has been screwed up |
| 10:55:08 | alexksso | but wich on ... |
| 10:55:12 | alexksso | one |
| 11:08:12 | alexksso | damn it crashed... |
| 11:08:40 | alexksso | neither gpe-appmgr nor mmenu don't work as normal user any more |
| 11:18:19 | alexksso | how do i downgrade to xlibs-4.1.x ? |
| 11:25:31 | alexksso | ok i made it ... |
| 11:40:22 | alexksso | has so any idea why gpe-appmgr doesn't show any icon and mmenu doesn't show up when logged in as regular user? |
| 11:42:36 | alexksso | here is what i get when i click on mmenu |
| 11:42:40 | alexksso | X Error of failed request: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) |
| 11:42:40 | alexksso | Major opcode of failed request: 8 (X_MapWindow) |
| 11:42:40 | alexksso | Resource id in failed request: 0xa040a01 |
| 11:42:40 | alexksso | Serial number of failed request: 356 |
| 11:42:41 | alexksso | Current serial number in output stream: 361 |
| 11:43:21 | alexksso | Current serial number in output stream: 361 |
| 11:56:52 | mallum | alexksso: are you using a 3100 ( eg greyscale ) ipaq ? |
| 12:04:29 | alexksso | nope |
| 12:04:31 | alexksso | 3630 |
| 12:04:46 | alexksso | the fact is i have no pb when i log as root |
| 12:04:51 | alexksso | i created a test account |
| 12:05:04 | alexksso | but it doesn't ruen under test neither |
| 12:13:24 | moray_ | alexksso: did you log into GPE as this test account? |
| 12:14:07 | alexksso | yep |
| 12:14:25 | mallum | alexksso: 3630 is not greyscale ? |
| 12:14:32 | alexksso | no |
| 12:16:43 | mallum | doh |
| 12:19:32 | alexksso | ;) |
| 12:19:36 | alexksso | so any idea ? |
| 12:22:02 | mallum | alexksso: well you can run mmenu with '-icon 0' and it should be ok ( ecept you won't get any icons ) |
| 12:22:28 | mallum | alexksso: its a wierd bug which sometimes breaks mmenu - havn't figured out a fix yet :( |
| 12:22:57 | alexksso | k ... |
| 12:23:08 | alexksso | when i switched to unstable it fixed it |
| 12:24:55 | alexksso | ok -icon 0 doesn't change a thing |
| 12:29:24 | mallum | ikt still breaks ? |
| 12:30:45 | alexksso | yep |
| 12:33:26 | mallum | you are running mmenu -icon 0 from the command line - yes ? |
| 12:33:55 | alexksso | yep |
| 12:34:36 | alexksso | i get the same error message when i tap th epinguin |
| 12:41:31 | mallum | and you upgraded it to whats in unstable ? |
| 12:43:10 | alexksso | yep |
| 12:43:25 | alexksso | all apart from xlibs which i downgraded to 4.1-5 |
| 12:43:34 | alexksso | koz it was worse with 4.2-2 |
| 12:49:09 | mallum | and you just get the same X Error ? |
| 12:49:31 | alexksso | yep |
| 12:49:36 | alexksso | i don't get it |
| 12:53:45 | mallum | dont get what ? |
| 12:53:57 | alexksso | why it doesn't work any more |
| 12:54:12 | alexksso | i installed libread something to get sqlite work |
| 12:54:20 | alexksso | and that's where everything started |
| 14:06:49 | colin_ | Hi. |
| 14:06:58 | PaxAnima | hi |
| 14:07:27 | colin_ | badly wants his DSL back... |
| 14:07:37 | PaxAnima | it's down? |
| 14:08:17 | colin_ | Yeah, since yesterday... |
| 14:08:20 | colin_ | :/ |
| 14:08:33 | colin_ | No sync. Called them a few hours ago, still the same. |
| 14:09:18 | PaxAnima | I'm luckily connected through the university LAN ;) |
| 14:09:58 | colin_ | Really lucky... |
| 14:11:10 | colin_ | pb_: Are you here? |
| 14:11:52 | colin_ | Or, pierre, are *you* here? |
| 14:15:50 | pb_ | colin_: I am here. |
| 14:16:30 | colin_ | pb_: Ah, hi. |
| 14:17:15 | pb_ | hi. :-) |
| 14:17:17 | colin_ | pb_: This relying on a "dontstart" file in gpe-conf for gpe-appmgr, what would have been a better solution? I have the same problem for ownerinfo. |
| 14:18:45 | pb_ | Ah. I don't know, really. You want to inhibit ownerinfo from showing up at the login screen? |
| 14:19:22 | colin_ | Right. |
| 14:19:52 | pb_ | I'll give it some thought. Maybe a flag file really is as good as it gets. |
| 14:20:22 | pb_ | I was going to suggest manipulating some symlinks in Xinit.d, but I guess ownerinfo is launched from gpe-login.setup, which is just a monolithic script. |
| 14:20:29 | colin_ | Okay, that's what I have now too :) |
| 14:20:57 | colin_ | Right, gpe-login.setup, or gpe-login.pre-session |
| 14:21:25 | pb_ | Surely not pre-session? |
| 14:22:04 | colin_ | I wonder what the right behaviour for gpe-conf is: let the user switch applets and still keep the setting even without an explicit save, right? This is not the case currently. |
| 14:22:51 | colin_ | pb_: pre-session for setting the symlink for the bg image, which is in the same gpe-conf dialog for me. |
| 14:23:12 | colin_ | But hmm, maybe it doesn't belong there... |
| 14:24:22 | colin_ | I put ln -s /usr/share/pixmaps/gpe-default-bg.png /etc/gpe/gpe-login-bg.png there because it symlinks other stuff already. |
| 14:24:48 | pb_ | colin_: I think that belongs in Xsession-gpe.d. |
| 14:25:05 | pb_ | colin_: pre-session is intended for stuff that has to run as root, rather than the user. |
| 14:25:57 | pb_ | colin_: on the gpe-conf behaviour thing, I haven't a clue. I must admit I've never really used it. :-/ |
| 14:26:37 | colin_ | Ha! |
| 14:27:27 | colin_ | Well, this bg image thing is a non-user setting, since it's just the one for the login screen, where we don't have a user |
| 14:29:41 | mallum | pb_: with gtk2 , do I still have to piss around with styles to change the color of some text ? |
| 14:30:09 | colin_ | Don't think so. |
| 14:31:09 | colin_ | The Gnome 2 HIG has some info on how to make text bold inline, that should give a hint. Search for pango |
| 14:32:50 | colin_ | <span weight="bold">Category Header</span> |
| 14:33:20 | colin_ | Seems to run undert the term "Pango markup" |
| 14:34:31 | mallum | hmm, I wonder if that works for text cells though |
| 14:34:52 | colin_ | Uhm, don't know... |
| 14:36:04 | mallum | nope it dont :( |
| 14:36:40 | pb_ | mallum: no idea, sorry. |
| 14:40:29 | colin_ | Okay, off again. BBL |
| 17:52:49 | colin_ | Hmm. I cannot create a new contact in gpe-contacts. segfault |
| 17:53:07 | colin_ | (CVS version, on the desktop). Is this just me? |
| 18:10:08 | colin_ | If somebody (!) reads this, the backtrace is: |
| 18:10:21 | colin_ | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. |
| 18:10:22 | colin_ | store_special_fields (edit=0x80bdaf8, p=0x0) at main.c:98 |
| 18:10:22 | colin_ | 98 for (l = p->data; l; l = l->next) |
| 18:10:22 | colin_ | (gdb) bt |
| 18:10:22 | colin_ | #0 store_special_fields (edit=0x80bdaf8, p=0x0) at main.c:98 |
| 18:10:24 | colin_ | #1 0x804c09c in edit_person (p=0x0) at main.c:137 |
| 18:10:26 | colin_ | #2 0x804c0d0 in new_contact (widget=0x8090050, d=0x0) at main.c:145 |
| 18:10:29 | colin_ | Off again... |
| 18:42:08 | sendman | hello |
| 18:42:31 | sendman | i'm looking for a utility to import my palm databases into gpe |
| 18:42:46 | sendman | does anyboy knows about that? |
| 18:53:07 | sendman | is away: (automatically dead ) [BX-MsgLog Off] |
| 18:53:08 | sendman | is idle, automatically dead [bX(l/on p/off)] |
| 18:53:43 | gazer | looks in. |
| 19:07:40 | dc_ | hye |
| 19:07:43 | dc_ | :] |
| 19:25:41 | dc_ | did I miss the alarm summit :/ |
| 19:25:45 | dc_ | oh dear... |
| 19:27:37 | dc_ | kicks himself. |
| 19:27:46 | dc_ | I was up all night writing some damn english essay... |
| 20:00:08 | BBrox | About what ? |
| 20:00:26 | dc_ | an extract from great expectations. |
| 20:02:04 | BBrox | Great Expectations... This rings a bell, but I do not remember exactly what it talks about :-) |
| 20:03:35 | dc_ | hehe |
| 20:03:43 | dc_ | some boring story about a boy.. |
| 20:03:49 | dc_ | and his expectations. |
| 20:03:51 | dc_ | heh |
| 20:05:50 | pb_ | :-} |
| 20:06:06 | dc_ | ey phil |
| 20:06:18 | pb_ | hey dc_ |
| 20:06:22 | dc_ | pb_: you got a good looking copy of gpe-filemanager at hand on your iPAQ? |
| 20:06:32 | dc_ | a friend wants a scap... |
| 20:06:38 | pb_ | dc_: left my ipaq at the office :-( |
| 20:06:41 | dc_ | bah |
| 20:06:44 | dc_ | pb_: ;p |
| 20:06:45 | dc_ | n/p |
| 20:07:06 | pb_ | sorry |
| 20:07:22 | pb_ | so, what's the news? |
| 20:08:52 | dc_ | school |
| 20:08:53 | dc_ | :/ |
| 20:09:37 | pb_ | ah. |
| 20:09:57 | pb_ | long day at work for me today. |
| 20:10:07 | pb_ | one of our windows guys got struck by some kind of email virus. :-/ |
| 20:10:29 | dc_ | ouch |
| 20:11:00 | pb_ | yeah, stupid Outlook Express. |
| 20:12:35 | Veggen | Hmm. I've got a grand master plan of trying to get rid of outlook at work...anyone tried the Ximian Exchange Connector? |
| 20:12:53 | dc_ | I have too many emails! |
| 20:13:04 | dc_ | shakes his hea in disconsirn |
| 20:13:09 | dc_ | bahh |
| 20:13:11 | pb_ | dc_: seems to be a perennial problem with you. |
| 20:13:19 | Veggen | I only use it through terminal server (Citrix) which I can run under Linux, but I'd prefer native solutions :) |
| 20:13:51 | pb_ | Veggen: not me, we don't do Exchange. |
| 20:13:53 | dc_ | balsa sucks... |
| 20:14:01 | pb_ | dc_: use Evolution. |
| 20:14:07 | pb_ | dc_: it sucks too, but possibly not as much. |
| 20:14:16 | dc_ | it's slow.. |
| 20:14:29 | pb_ | true. |
| 20:14:39 | pb_ | you could always get a faster computer. |
| 20:14:43 | dc_ | and balsa gt2 lookks quite cute., |
| 20:14:59 | Veggen | pb: I'm a contractor within a largish company called Telenor (old norwegian telecom monopolist). I've few possibillities to get rid of THAT... |
| 20:15:06 | pb_ | dc_: ah, I'll have to check it out. |
| 20:15:25 | dc_ | pb_: problem is it crashes wen you try to set any filters. |
| 20:15:27 | pb_ | Veggen: ah. :-/ |
| 20:15:33 | dc_ | vfolders in evo a very nice. |
| 20:15:45 | Veggen | pb: positive thing is that we're allowed Linux on the desktop. |
| 20:15:46 | pb_ | dc_: yeah, but vfolders are also really slow. |
| 20:16:05 | pb_ | dc_: I think I'm gonna get rid of my vfolders, they make it take forever to start up. |
| 20:16:12 | dc_ | when I start evo, my hard drive maes all these groaning emails.. |
| 20:16:16 | ade | doh why did i start to make gcc now :( |
| 20:16:18 | dc_ | s/emais/noises! |
| 20:16:24 | pb_ | dc_: ! |
| 20:16:28 | dc_ | :/ |
| 20:16:37 | Veggen | pb: Which makes sense, cause I'm working only with Unix-machines, at work :) I don't do Windows. |
| 20:16:45 | dc_ | I wouldn't mind gt2 evo |
| 20:17:16 | pb_ | dc_: mmm, I don't know what the evolution roadmap looks like, but I guess they must be working on a gtk2 version. |
| 20:17:52 | Veggen | pb: I actually makes a regular trip to the head office to make damned sure NOONE mentions Windows on my company-administrated skills-profile ;) |
| 20:17:57 | pb_ | heh :-) |
| 20:18:18 | pb_ | dc_: though, I kind of wish the evo mail client was a separate program, since that's the only bit of it I use. |
| 20:18:42 | ade | evo express :) |
| 20:18:49 | pb_ | indeed. |
| 20:18:52 | dc_ | pb_: same |
| 20:19:04 | pb_ | maybe one day when it can sync with gpe, I might start using its calendar and to-do list. |
| 20:19:29 | Veggen | If I can get it to talk to the company Exchange-server, I'll use it :) |
| 20:19:43 | ade | oh bugger .. are comps between signed and unsigned a normal warning when making gcc3? |
| 20:19:56 | pb_ | Veggen: well, certainly worth a try, I guess the exchange connector thing must work at least a bit. |
| 20:20:01 | pb_ | ade: sure. |
| 20:20:03 | Veggen | pb: yes. |
| 20:20:14 | ade | ta |
| 20:20:30 | pb_ | ade: signed/unsigned comparison warnings happen all the time, they are nothing to worry about. |
| 20:21:21 | ade | pb_: the good news is that in about two and a bit weeks gpe goes mipsel, with a good wind and luck |
| 20:21:35 | pb_ | ade: ah cool, which mipsel in particular? |
| 20:21:47 | ade | compaq aero 2130 |
| 20:21:59 | pb_ | never heard of it :-) |
| 20:23:00 | ade | pb_: think ipaq then better ( just less powerful and fewer features) :P |
| 20:23:18 | pb_ | hmm. |
| 20:24:13 | pb_ | wow, this Stelian Pop guy has filed almost as many bugs as Colin. |
| 20:24:18 | ade | pb_: builtin cf and longer battery life, better (more colours) screen than 3600 series |
| 20:24:31 | pb_ | right. |
| 20:24:45 | dc_ | cool |
| 20:25:02 | ade | less ram , no flash :( |
| 20:25:12 | pb_ | ah, not so cool. |
| 20:25:19 | pb_ | the OS is in mask ROM? |
| 20:26:57 | ade | pb_: wince2.11 is in ROM. have to boot off cf |
| 20:27:17 | pb_ | ade: ah, nasty. Is the ROM field replaceable? |
| 20:28:25 | ade | pb_: it could with hastle, the board has the ram and rom as a daughter board. |
| 20:29:08 | pb_ | Having a CF slot is a bit of a pyrrhic victory if you have to keep a memory card in there all the time to hold the OS. |
| 20:29:32 | pb_ | ah ok, so you could make a replacement daughterboard with flash on. |
| 20:30:02 | ade | pb_: you can boot linux off the ram, and use an nfs root |
| 20:30:46 | pb_ | nfs over wlan? Surely that would rapidly negate your longer battery life. |
| 20:31:27 | pb_ | and, not so practical if you want to travel long distances :-) |
| 20:32:07 | ade | pb_: well its only compaq. replaceable batteries are good though |
| 20:32:15 | pb_ | yeah. |
| 20:32:26 | ade | pb_: and the charger is the same as the ipaq ones too |
| 20:32:46 | pb_ | oh right, cool. |
| 20:33:05 | ade | pb_: the only problem is the kernel atm. |
| 20:33:12 | dc_ | emailless!! |
| 20:33:13 | dc_ | yay |
| 20:33:15 | dc_ | sleep.... |
| 20:33:18 | dc_ | pb_: night.. |
| 20:33:19 | pb_ | dc_: congratulations |
| 20:33:21 | pb_ | dc_: night. |
| 20:33:22 | dc_ | :) |
| 20:33:29 | ade | night |
| 20:33:30 | dc_ | ade: night |
| 20:33:52 | ade | pb_: i need to write that part :( |
| 20:34:01 | pb_ | ha. |
| 20:34:09 | pb_ | what mips chip does it use? |
| 20:34:29 | ade | pb_: nec vr4111 with a vr4171 controller |
| 20:34:40 | pb_ | ah, so linux/vr probably nearly supports it already. |
| 20:35:01 | ade | pb_: there is the old linux-vr but its a little dated |
| 20:35:10 | ade | and has no fb support |
| 20:35:27 | pb_ | right. |
| 20:35:37 | pb_ | so what are you going to do, start from scratch? |
| 20:35:56 | ade | hence the 2 weeks before gtk and gpe stuff |
| 20:36:50 | pb_ | right. |
| 20:37:18 | ade | luckily the casio e15 is supported in recent times, port across from that, submit patches to ralf when it works |
| 20:37:37 | pb_ | the e15 is a vr41something as well, right? |
| 20:37:42 | ade | e15 has a vr4111 cpu too |
| 20:37:45 | pb_ | ah. |
| 20:38:09 | ade | but differing controller and hence fb |
| 20:38:44 | pb_ | right. I ought to check it out, I need to do a quote for a port to a mips machine tomorrow. |
| 20:38:51 | ade | freshers week is coming up so i should be able to get working on it soon |
| 20:39:14 | ade | oh which mips? |
| 20:39:26 | pb_ | another vr41something, I forget exactly. |
| 20:39:53 | pb_ | 4131 by the looks of things. |
| 20:40:04 | ade | 4102,4110,4121 are the cores |
| 20:40:16 | ade | so 4131 is 4121 core |
| 20:40:26 | pb_ | ah, ok. |
| 20:40:30 | ade | 4181 is 4121 |
| 20:41:02 | ade | 4121 is a nice core |
| 20:41:30 | ade | well supported in linux-mips sf tree but not in oss tree :( |
| 20:41:40 | pb_ | ah. :-/ |
| 20:42:40 | ade | nobody is bothered in merging the sf tree to oss tree, shame really. the sf tree is really well designed |
| 20:42:48 | ade | but ralf doesn't like it |
| 20:43:04 | pb_ | sigh |
| 20:43:11 | pb_ | why did these guys have to go and set up their own tree? |
| 20:43:33 | pb_ | well, stupid question I suppose, it happens all the time. |
| 20:43:38 | ade | opps must stop calling it oss tree, its moved to cvs@ftp.linux-mips.org as of a week ago |
| 20:44:46 | ade | the sf tree was a test space, ralf didn't like pushing much new code into mips rather than mips64 so they set up the sf tree |
| 20:45:24 | pb_ | I see. |
| 20:45:33 | pb_ | if only everybody would go back to using vger :-) |
| 20:46:07 | ade | indeed |
| 20:48:05 | pb_ | unlikely though I fear. |
| 20:48:42 | pb_ | all the hard-core kernel h4x0rs are presumably living in some surreal bitkeeper world by now. |
| 20:49:00 | ade | yup |
| 20:50:14 | ade | so what do you do down in cambs? |
| 20:50:40 | pb_ | well, I work for a company called Nexus Electronics. |
| 20:50:47 | pb_ | we do, uh, electronics. |
| 20:51:27 | ade | telecomms? consumer? |
| 20:51:42 | pb_ | general consultancy, mostly ASIC design recently. |
| 20:51:57 | pb_ | There's some blurb on our web site, www.nexus.co.uk |
| 20:54:33 | ade | so thats where you get your ARMness |
| 20:55:45 | pb_ | actually, I was using linux on arm before I joined Nexus. |
| 20:56:26 | pb_ | but yeah, in recent years, that's had a lot to do with it. |
| 20:56:50 | ade | sorry to say i'm rather new to ARM. really must look at the instruction set |
| 20:57:05 | ade | see the diffs to mips |
| 20:57:41 | gazer | is in paper formatting hell. |
| 21:52:54 | PaxAnima | hello |
| 23:23:21 | TheMasterMind1 | there any better looking screenshots of gpe? |
| 23:23:22 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
