| 04:29:45 | colin_werk | Morning. |
| 04:46:56 | pierre | is away: course |
| 05:56:59 | mibus | howdy |
| 06:01:53 | colin_werk | Hi mibus |
| 06:02:24 | mibus | hi colin_werk |
| 06:04:24 | mibus | wassup? |
| 06:21:46 | colin_werk | Uhm, working :) |
| 06:22:36 | colin_werk | mibus: pierre got gpe-appmgr to crash after 3-4 SIGHUPs |
| 06:23:04 | mibus | colin_werk: mm yeah not terribly surprised |
| 06:23:18 | mibus | colin_werk: it seems to be randomly crashing every now and then after a sighup |
| 06:23:27 | mibus | colin_werk: doing them one after another is just asking for it ;) |
| 06:23:52 | colin_werk | Ah. |
| 06:24:02 | mibus | colin_werk: im rewriting all of the code that relates to icons at all |
| 06:24:10 | colin_werk | Good. |
| 06:24:20 | mibus | colin_werk: lots of problems are going to disappear, hopefully that one too ;) |
| 06:24:30 | mibus | colin_werk: i should really run valgrind on appmgr in the meantime tho :D |
| 06:24:56 | mibus | colin_werk: did he say how he was going for RAM usage? my ipaq has been leaking RAM pretty bad lately |
| 06:25:15 | mibus | colin_werk: and the OOM killer could be responsible (read: its not my fault ;-) |
| 06:25:26 | colin_werk | No, no further info. I pointed him to catchsegv |
| 06:25:38 | colin_werk | I suggested OOM, yes |
| 06:26:17 | colin_werk | mibus: Can you somehow make this IRC alarm event on Sunday? |
| 06:26:24 | mibus | i should install that myself |
| 06:26:35 | mibus | colin_werk: yeah, but its 4:30AM Monday for me :D |
| 06:26:47 | mibus | colin_werk: ive noted it down though and will try to be there (here) |
| 06:27:01 | mibus | colin_werk: alarms aren't really my area of expertise though ;) |
| 06:27:15 | mibus | colin_werk: (except of course as a user) |
| 06:27:21 | colin_werk | It's pretty hard to find a good time... |
| 06:29:47 | mibus | colin_werk: well i understand its always gonna be a crappy time for me, cos im sooooo far away ;) |
| 06:29:53 | mibus | colin_werk: but during the day im likely to be off anyway |
| 06:30:01 | mibus | colin_werk: im *usually* home at 4:30AM ;-) |
| 06:33:16 | colin_werk | :) |
| 06:33:38 | mibus | gets very upset at his iPAQ's making his CF card mounted read-only |
| 06:33:50 | mibus | hits reset to teach it a lesson ;) |
| 06:34:28 | mibus | colin_werk: im happy with the gtk2 port of appmgr tho |
| 06:34:47 | mibus | colin_werk: all i have to do is make the recent apps dock work and its fully gtk2-ported :D |
| 06:36:18 | mibus | then all i have to do is break the bad news to nils ;-) |
| 06:40:59 | mibus | runs valgrind |
| 06:41:20 | mibus | wow |
| 06:41:27 | mibus | gpe_render_icon is buggy according to valgrind |
| 06:41:37 | mibus | either that or its being passed uninitialised variables |
| 06:41:53 | mibus | ergh, i cant install catchsegv: |
| 06:41:59 | mibus | ~ # ipkg install catchsegv |
| 06:41:59 | mibus | Downloading http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/catchsegv_2.2.5-1_arm.ipk |
| 06:41:59 | mibus | Installing catchsegv (2.2.5-1) |
| 06:41:59 | mibus | ERROR: Package catchsegv wants to install file /lib/libSegFault.so |
| 06:41:59 | mibus | But that file is already provided by package libc6 |
| 06:42:52 | mibus | any bright ideas? |
| 06:44:37 | mibus | is surprised at the number of errors libgpewidget and gtk give |
| 06:50:17 | mibus | is surprised that valgrind shows possible errors in code that is perfect (cos he wrote it ;) |
| 06:53:18 | pigeon | Hmm I wonder why libgpe make install default path is /lib |
| 06:54:38 | mibus | pigeon: eeeek |
| 06:54:46 | mibus | pigeon: its probably supposed to be $PREFIX/lib |
| 06:54:58 | pigeon | Well yeah heheehehehe |
| 06:55:27 | mibus | colin_werk: im assuming pierre was using 0.09, right? |
| 06:55:39 | mibus | colin_werk: cos otherwise he's asking for trouble :D |
| 06:57:11 | mibus | is getting bored of HUPping appmgr under valgrind 'cos it's sloooooowwwww |
| 06:58:20 | colin_werk | mibus: I guess pierre has the newest version, yes |
| 06:58:27 | mibus | lucky last HUP or im gonna give up trying to crash it and just read the valgrind log ;) |
| 06:58:32 | mibus | colin_werk: well id hope so :D |
| 06:58:41 | mibus | colin_werk: any idea of what to do to install catchsegv? |
| 06:59:01 | colin_werk | mibus: with -force-<foo> I think |
| 06:59:14 | colin_werk | That's what I did anyway |
| 06:59:44 | mibus | colin_werk: if it works... ;-) |
| 07:03:39 | mibus | whacks his head at an off-by-one he thought he'd already fixed |
| 07:04:07 | mibus | rewrites the code to use glib cos sprintf blows ;-) |
| 07:06:48 | mibus | colin_werk: tell pierre to update to CVS appmgr and try try again! |
| 07:07:05 | mibus | though i really should build it myself and upload a new package. hrm. i was hoping to make 0.10 a gtk2 release ;) |
| 07:07:19 | mibus | waits for cvs diff so he can commit a stupid stupid fix |
| 07:08:06 | colin_werk | Yeah, a package would be nice... |
| 07:11:17 | mibus | commits "0.09-2" to CVS so he can still use 0.10 as a gtk2 release ;-) |
| 07:11:46 | colin_werk | Why not jump top 0.20 for a GTK2 rel? |
| 07:12:09 | mibus | cos gtk2 is (hopefully) around the corner |
| 07:12:26 | mibus | and im planning on dumping gtk1 support in appmgr ASAP to help force ppl to gtk2 ;) |
| 07:13:01 | colin_werk | :) |
| 07:13:11 | mibus | im going to release all my new code for gtk2 only; chances are it'll work without modification in gtk1 but im not gonna tell nils that... |
| 07:13:23 | mibus | "but gtk2 is so good, nils, look at what i can do now" ;-D |
| 07:14:30 | colin_werk | Bad mibus :) |
| 07:14:46 | mibus | :P |
| 07:14:48 | colin_werk | must admit that the OPIE config stuff on scap looks very cool |
| 07:15:01 | mibus | colin_werk: actually i want AA fonts ;-) |
| 07:15:17 | mibus | and they stopped working in gtk1 when i upgraded to fam0.6pre1 :( |
| 07:15:56 | colin_werk | Well, you cannot mix libgdkxft with gtk2 apps as I learned |
| 07:16:24 | mibus | no i found that out too :D |
| 07:16:50 | colin_werk | OTOH, the AA fonts are running much wider, so that gpe-appmgr shows lots of ellipsises in the icon labels |
| 07:17:02 | mibus | colin_werk: um, no |
| 07:17:29 | mibus | colin_werk: in gtk1 i checked the width of the string in pixels and wrapped to a second line, then used ellipses |
| 07:17:48 | mibus | colin_werk: but with gtk2's shift to pango, checking the width of a string in pixels is a PITA so im not doing it |
| 07:18:01 | colin_werk | Ah. |
| 07:18:01 | mibus | colin_werk: im just cutting at an arbitrary character width :D |
| 07:18:38 | colin_werk | I think I read somewhere how to check the string width with pango... |
| 07:18:50 | mibus | colin_werk: when i do my new fantastic iconlist widget (which i hope i can actually finish :-) it'll be better than before D: |
| 07:18:54 | mibus | :D |
| 07:18:59 | colin_werk | Cool then :) |
| 07:19:53 | mibus | colin_werk: i cant find the -force-<foo> option that ignores files |
| 07:20:03 | mibus | colin_werk: much chance of remembering what 'foo' is? |
| 07:20:26 | colin_werk | mibus: for the new widget, make it accept small overlay icons that can e.g. denote read-only things, or e.g. a small icon that tells the user that this app resides on external CF |
| 07:20:43 | colin_werk | Uhm. ipkg -h? |
| 07:20:50 | colin_werk | --force-install? |
| 07:21:03 | colin_werk | I can never remember them... |
| 07:21:21 | mibus | -h isnt recognised, but it does show the help anyway ;) |
| 07:22:15 | mibus | not any are listed that help here tho |
| 07:22:27 | mibus | theres depends, defaults, reinstall, and removal-of-dependant-packages |
| 07:22:45 | mibus | if tried defaults, depends, reinstall |
| 07:22:50 | mibus | even 'install' which isnt listed |
| 07:23:00 | mibus | ~ # ipkg upgrade ipkg |
| 07:23:00 | mibus | Package ipkg (0.99.34) installed in root is up to date |
| 07:23:01 | mibus | bizarre! |
| 07:25:13 | mibus | has to go in a couple of minutes |
| 07:26:13 | mibus | well the new ipkg seems ok so im gonna upload 0.09-2 in a min |
| 07:26:14 | colin_werk | Hmm. I don't remember the right oiption. |
| 07:26:27 | mibus | never mind, ive got to go now anyway ;) |
| 07:26:42 | mibus | colin_werk: tell pierre to upgrade to 0.09-2 and let me know if it fixes the problem |
| 07:26:51 | mibus | it also includes the tab spacing fix too :D |
| 07:26:57 | mibus | so lots of ppl should be happy now :D |
| 07:27:14 | mibus | im scapping it now... |
| 07:27:45 | mibus | ok should be scapped |
| 07:27:45 | mibus | have a good day/night ppls |
| 07:27:52 | colin_werk | Cool, will do. |
| 08:34:50 | mallum | hello |
| 08:42:46 | pb_ | yo mallum |
| 08:44:48 | mallum | hey pb_ |
| 08:45:22 | mallum | pb_: matchbox dock is a g'nightmare :( |
| 08:46:52 | pb_ | hell, how come? |
| 08:50:53 | mallum | hmm, just getting really complicated with app dragging, positioning, scrolling etc |
| 08:51:07 | mallum | theres some orrible suttle bugs in there |
| 09:05:57 | pb_ | ah, nasty. |
| 09:12:16 | mallum | pb_: Im getting another bluetooth card from ng |
| 09:12:20 | mallum | pb_: a 3com one |
| 09:21:19 | pb_ | mallum: ah cool |
| 09:21:29 | pb_ | mallum: I have one of the 3com cards, it seems to work well. |
| 09:21:41 | mallum | pb_: thew .. cool ! |
| 09:21:53 | pb_ | mallum: it has a special driver, bt3c_cs. |
| 09:22:12 | mallum | pb_: yep I remember seeing it |
| 09:22:50 | mallum | pb_: oh btw do you have any experience with getting antenna's for wifi cards ? |
| 09:23:08 | pb_ | mallum: nope, sorry |
| 09:23:48 | mallum | pb_: np |
| 09:24:03 | pb_ | mallum: there are lots of articles on the web about making an antenna out of a tin can and a bit of wire though ;-) |
| 09:25:26 | mallum | pb_: yeah, pringles can aint it |
| 09:26:46 | pb_ | yeah, something like that. |
| 09:45:51 | pierre | about gpe-appmgr, I 'm just testing it, no more problems with sighups ( exept its slooww..:) |
| 09:57:57 | colin_werk | pierre: Slower than before? It takes like 5 secs, yes. |
| 09:58:09 | pierre | no. |
| 09:58:17 | pierre | 5 sec is much.. |
| 10:00:46 | colin_werk | Yeah. |
| 10:11:26 | pigeon | Hmm, some gpe apps are hard coded to be in portrait mode. |
| 10:58:21 | colin_werk | pigeon: please file bugs against them |
| 11:59:36 | colin_werk | BBL |
| 13:09:44 | cmarqu | drools over http://home.wanadoo.nl/sbm/ |
| 13:10:38 | pb_ | Ah, very nice. |
| 15:35:05 | | mibus is probably gpe-appmgr author Robert Mibus, Uni student in Adelaide, Australia. See http://handhelds.org/~mibus/ or email mailto:mibus@bigpond.com |
| 15:35:05 | cmarqu | ibot: mibus? |
| 15:35:19 | | okay, cmarqu. |
| 15:35:19 | cmarqu | ibot: mibus is also http://www.advogato.org/person/mibus/ |
| 16:51:10 | cmarqu | nelson: Did you read about that GPE calendar/alarm IRC "event"? Could you make it on Sunday at that time? |
| 17:10:30 | nelson | cmarqu: no, I didn't. Sunday as in two days from today? |
| 17:11:09 | cmarqu | nelson: Oh, I thought you were on the GPE list... yes, this Sunday. 7pm GMT |
| 17:11:53 | nelson | 7pm GMT. That's 3PM EDT. Sorry, no, I have to go down to Long Island to visit my mother in the nursing home. |
| 17:12:36 | cmarqu | Hmm. Too bad... but of course it's very hard to get several people from different timezones... |
| 17:14:39 | cmarqu | nelson: I guess we'll make a log and talk about it later on the list or here. We have to make it an "event" since Nils Faerber is not normally on IRC. |
| 17:15:41 | pb_ | cmarqu: It might be a nice idea for someone (!) to post a summary of the issues to the mailing list in advance, so everyone has a chance to think about them beforehand. |
| 17:16:32 | cmarqu | Ah, hmm. |
| 17:16:45 | cmarqu | Who could that someone be?... |
| 17:17:08 | cmarqu | I'll tr |
| 17:17:12 | cmarqu | try even |
| 17:17:16 | pb_ | Cool. |
| 17:18:00 | cmarqu | In the meantime, I fail with that background setting app... |
| 17:18:08 | pb_ | Oh? |
| 17:18:17 | cmarqu | Ah. I could use at the Galeon source, it does that. |
| 17:18:31 | cmarqu | "look at" |
| 17:19:20 | cmarqu | But it's probably buried inside lots of other stuff |
| 17:23:15 | BBrox | Well, setting the background is just drawing something in the root window, no ? |
| 17:23:52 | cmarqu | It's hard if you never did anything like that before :) |
| 17:24:14 | cmarqu | I.e., how do I say "use the root window"? |
| 17:24:28 | cmarqu | http://tronche.com/gui/x/xlib/window/XSetWindowBackgroundPixmap.html |
| 17:24:36 | pb_ | Pass RootWindow(dpy, screen) as the window argument. |
| 17:25:05 | BBrox | Exctly, pb took the RootWindow macro out of my mouth :-) |
| 17:25:23 | cmarqu | dpy and screen are what then? |
| 17:25:35 | pb_ | dpy is the display. screen is the screen number. |
| 17:26:35 | BBrox | You can use DefaultScreen(display) instead of screen :-) |
| 17:29:42 | cmarqu | Which leaves display. |
| 17:29:52 | cmarqu | getenv (DISPLAY)? |
| 17:29:57 | pb_ | Are you using GTK? |
| 17:30:09 | cmarqu | I'm using nothing yet :) |
| 17:30:13 | pb_ | "display" is what you get from XOpenDisplay, see the source to any X program :-) |
| 17:30:44 | pb_ | In the GPE tree, miniclipboard might be a good simple example to look at. |
| 17:30:45 | BBrox | In GTK, you have access to the display via some GDK calls I think |
| 17:30:59 | pb_ | Yeah, GDK_DISPLAY() I think. |
| 17:31:45 | cmarqu | gdk_pixbuf would allow us nice things for manipulating the bg image before displaying it... I guess I'll go that route. |
| 19:52:46 | dc_ | hey |
| 19:53:00 | dc_ | pets his sound proof room |
| 19:53:29 | dc_ | so, hey's everything going, pb_? |
| 19:57:26 | pb_ | hey dc_ |
| 19:57:32 | cmarqu | Hi dc_ |
| 19:58:14 | pb_ | dc_: not bad, though nothing very exciting happening. Been cutting up bits of plasterboard this evening. :-} |
| 19:58:50 | pb_ | cmarqu: ah cool, I see you posted that thing to the mailing list. |
| 19:59:51 | dc_ | ah, cool.. |
| 19:59:53 | cmarqu | Yup. I hope that covers the most important things.. |
| 19:59:55 | dc_ | sounds like fun :] |
| 20:00:04 | pb_ | dc_: not really, it's filthy work. |
| 20:00:12 | dc_ | heh |
| 20:00:28 | cmarqu | dc_: Hey, will you be here on Sunday? |
| 20:00:32 | pb_ | dc_: you end up with plaster dust everywhere. |
| 20:00:59 | cmarqu | dc_:Ah, I guess you didn't read the mails on the GPE list? |
| 20:01:13 | dc_ | my email seems to be down |
| 20:01:17 | dc_ | but I will. |
| 20:01:20 | dc_ | why what's up? |
| 20:01:49 | cmarqu | dc_: Some alarm/calendar IRC event with nils and mccarthy etc. |
| 20:01:57 | cmarqu | Sunday, 8pm your time |
| 20:02:16 | dc_ | ah cool |
| 20:02:23 | pb_ | yeah |
| 20:02:41 | pb_ | it would be great to get that stuff sorted out. So we can, like, have alarms. |
| 20:02:42 | cmarqu | dc_: let me get you the mail archive link |
| 20:03:16 | dc_ | cool |
| 20:03:32 | dc_ | i think I may o some gpe-filemanager improvements tonight |
| 20:03:39 | pb_ | excellent. |
| 20:03:56 | pb_ | I wonder what I should do next. |
| 20:04:12 | cmarqu | gpe-nmf! :) |
| 20:04:38 | pb_ | well, that probably is the single package with most bugs filed against it. |
| 20:04:57 | dc_ | hehehe! |
| 20:05:01 | cmarqu | dc_: http://handhelds.org/pipermail/gpe/Week-of-Mon-20020916/thread.html#948, "[Gpe] Calendar/Alarm IRC Developer Meeting?" |
| 20:05:11 | cmarqu | pb_: And all by me! |
| 20:05:14 | cmarqu | is proud |
| 20:05:15 | pb_ | cmarqu: indeed. |
| 20:05:16 | cmarqu | :) |
| 20:05:34 | pb_ | cmarqu: I think you must have filed about 80% of all the gpe bugs. |
| 20:05:43 | cmarqu | Ah, noooo.... |
| 20:05:43 | dc_ | impressive |
| 20:06:07 | pb_ | cripes, yeah, there are 13 bugs on NMF. |
| 20:06:12 | cmarqu | I filed bug #100 though, imagine that! |
| 20:06:25 | pb_ | I dread the day when you file #1000 |
| 20:06:39 | cmarqu | First is #666 |
| 20:06:46 | pb_ | Yeah, I was just thinking that. |
| 20:06:50 | pb_ | Luckily it's still a way off. |
| 20:07:04 | dc_ | bah, |
| 20:07:10 | pb_ | hmm, I guess #91 is still the most important of those. |
| 20:07:13 | dc_ | I'm planning to file 666 ;p |
| 20:07:26 | pb_ | dc_: patience may be required. |
| 20:07:29 | dc_ | it's my part time job as the devils son |
| 20:07:30 | cmarqu | dc_: Okay, my number is 667 anyway |
| 20:08:04 | pb_ | dc_: wanna help fix some bugs? |
| 20:08:14 | dc_ | scatters |
| 20:08:17 | pb_ | :-/ |
| 20:08:22 | dc_ | pb_: hehe, I can try, what's on the list? |
| 20:09:49 | pb_ | dc_: well, there are 34 bugs open in total, most of which seem to be assigned to me. Have a look at the list and see if any of them appeal to you. |
| 20:10:57 | pb_ | dc_: if you feel in the mood to prettify something, there's minicalc #62. |
| 20:11:27 | pb_ | dc_: or, if you are in more of an algorithmic frame of mind, gpe-calendar #104. |
| 20:11:58 | pb_ | dc_: or there are a whole load of NMF things, mostly fairly small UI issues. |
| 20:12:07 | dc_ | reoccuring events on eavery 3rd tuesday |
| 20:12:08 | dc_ | heh |
| 20:12:12 | dc_ | ponders... |
| 20:12:30 | pb_ | yeah, that #104 is a real nasty one. |
| 20:13:54 | dc_ | ah shit, got my old mouse back and now my hand is aching! |
| 20:14:13 | pb_ | :-( |
| 20:20:42 | gazer | looks in. |
| 20:20:43 | pb_ | darn, this #91 is real nasty as well. |
| 20:20:51 | dc_ | okay, fixed gpe-filemanager list view...hrm |
| 20:20:59 | pb_ | dc_: ah cool. |
| 20:29:20 | cmarqu | gazer: Hi. Will you be here on Sunday for the alarm IRC event? |
| 20:35:30 | gazer | hi. |
| 20:35:32 | gazer | what time? |
| 20:35:45 | cmarqu | 7pm GMT |
| 20:36:03 | gazer | ugh. what is EST? -5? |
| 20:36:25 | cmarqu | Uhm... |
| 20:36:35 | cmarqu | We need a gpe timezone selector |
| 20:36:48 | dc_ | :] |
| 20:37:06 | cmarqu | gazer: look in the headers of one of your mails |
| 20:37:33 | gazer | ooh. good idea. :) |
| 20:37:36 | gazer | -4 |
| 20:37:42 | gazer | So 3pm my time. |
| 20:37:56 | gazer | I *SHOULD* make it. |
| 20:38:01 | dc_ | :] |
| 20:38:31 | cmarqu | Would be nice. First time to have our "founder" here |
| 20:43:11 | gazer | grr. my new kvm isn't happy under linux. |
| 20:43:43 | pigeon | dc_: hey ho |
| 20:44:05 | dc_ | pigeon: heye :) |
| 20:44:21 | dc_ | pigeon: how's it down on Oz land? |
| 20:45:51 | pigeon | Not too bad. |
| 20:46:06 | dc_ | good, good |
| 20:46:13 | pigeon | What about you, you've been missing for a while :P |
| 20:47:15 | dc_ | school work :/ |
| 21:01:05 | cmarqu | How do I get the root window from GDK? |
| 21:01:16 | pb_ | GDK_ROOT_WINDOW() or something like that. |
| 21:01:22 | cmarqu | gdk_window_set_back_pixmap is probably cleaner than using xlib |
| 21:02:00 | pb_ | Seems reasonable. |
| 21:18:58 | cmarqu | gpe-setbg.c: In function `main': |
| 21:18:59 | cmarqu | gpe-setbg.c:26: warning: implicit declaration of function `GDK_ROOT_WINDOW' |
| 21:19:07 | cmarqu | But I have #include <gdk/gdk.h> |
| 21:19:33 | pb_ | You need gdkx.h as well. |
| 21:20:06 | cmarqu | Ah. Why don't the API docs say this? |
| 21:21:04 | pb_ | Dunno. |
| 21:21:31 | cmarqu | Do I need to call gdk_init? |
| 21:21:37 | cmarqu | I don't have gtk_init |
| 21:21:52 | pb_ | Yeah, probably. |
| 21:21:56 | cmarqu | Good. |
| 22:25:03 | cmarqu | Argh. cvs is acting up again... |