| 00:00:18 | mibus | oddly though gtk1 fonts are smaller... |
| 00:10:13 | mibus | ah, its probably the theme being reset |
| 01:32:01 | gazer | looks in. |
| 01:33:48 | mibus | looks right back at gazer :P |
| 01:40:16 | gazer | sigh. too much writing to do for tomorrow. I think it is going to be a late nite. |
| 01:43:21 | jg_ | gazer, mibus: nothing like a self admiration society... |
| 01:43:23 | mibus | awww poor gazer :P |
| 01:43:38 | mibus | jg_: huh? |
| 01:43:44 | gazer | :) |
| 01:44:18 | mibus | is confused. <sarcasm>first time for everything</sarcasm> |
| 01:52:39 | mibus | runs away in sheer terror |
| 01:52:39 | mibus | cya ppls |
| 04:30:44 | colin_werk | Morning. |
| 04:56:53 | mibus | hallo ppls |
| 05:08:58 | mibus | Zzzzzzzzzz |
| 05:13:11 | colin_werk | :) |
| 05:16:28 | mibus | :P |
| 05:17:13 | mibus | wht you up to? |
| 05:24:17 | mibus | hmmm im gonna go watch tv... |
| 06:22:03 | jsmanrique | hi! |
| 06:23:59 | mibus | hi jsmanrique |
| 06:24:08 | jsmanrique | I've seen the scaps in the site.. wow! |
| 06:24:17 | jsmanrique | using a background image is great |
| 06:24:17 | mibus | jsmanrique: appmgr with background? |
| 06:24:21 | mibus | jsmanrique: ah |
| 06:24:30 | mibus | jsmanrique: ummm, im not planning on committing that code :( |
| 06:24:35 | mibus | jsmanrique: its kinda ugly |
| 06:24:39 | mibus | jsmanrique: and is slower to load |
| 06:25:16 | mibus | jsmanrique: im planning on replacing the gtktable with icons in it with a GdkDrawingArea and custom-drawing stuff on with gdk-pixbufs |
| 06:28:27 | mibus | jsmanrique: that way there can be a background and it wont seem so evil (to me ;-) |
| 06:28:59 | jsmanrique | ok |
| 06:29:39 | jsmanrique | I think I will see many changes after my return from London trip |
| 06:29:50 | mibus | jsmanrique: how long are you going for? |
| 06:30:54 | jsmanrique | from tomorrow to next Tuesday |
| 06:31:54 | jsmanrique | I will give a little speak about xcas/gpe/handhelds.org/sda project next Saturday at HPCC Conference |
| 06:32:52 | mibus | jsmanrique: cool. id love to attend, but its rather a long trip (and too expensive for me :) |
| 06:34:28 | jsmanrique | you could see more info at: http://www.hpcc.org/conference.html |
| 06:35:36 | mibus | jsmanrique: ok im going to go have a look... |
| 06:41:24 | jsmanrique | ok |
| 06:41:52 | jsmanrique | pierre knows some of the people who are going to be there.. |
| 06:42:22 | | pierre was last seen on #gpe 14 hours, 23 minutes and 44 seconds ago, saying: cmarqu_: yes, this is because ipkg doesnt store the suid bit.. [Tue Sep 17 17:18:38 2002] |
| 06:42:22 | jsmanrique | ibot : seen pierre |
| 06:42:48 | | dc_ was last seen on #gpe 1 days, 9 hours, 46 minutes and 38 seconds ago, saying: have a nice day etc... [Mon Sep 16 21:56:10 2002] |
| 06:42:48 | mibus | ibot: seen dc_ |
| 06:43:08 | mibus | 9 hours? duh, i just missed him when i was here earlier... |
| 06:43:10 | mibus | no |
| 06:43:11 | mibus | wait |
| 06:43:17 | mibus | that was just *before* i came on last time |
| 06:43:23 | mibus | mustve gotten an early night ;) |
| 06:43:25 | | mibus: sure thing |
| 06:43:25 | mibus | ibot: thanks |
| 06:45:01 | | mibus: sure thing |
| 06:45:01 | mibus | ibot: thanks for nothing |
| 06:45:08 | mibus | hehe |
| 06:45:11 | mibus | dumbass bot ;) |
| 06:46:59 | jsmanrique | hi pierre!! |
| 06:47:08 | pierre | hi. |
| 06:47:23 | jsmanrique | jean-yves avenard will be in London too.. |
| 06:47:35 | jsmanrique | pierre : sure you would like to know it.. |
| 06:47:54 | pierre | I'm sorry I cant chat, I was just goiing to course, openning xchat to have a trace of what was saying.. |
| 06:48:08 | jsmanrique | ok |
| 06:48:22 | pierre | cool, but I really must go. course at 10.. |
| 06:48:28 | jsmanrique | ok |
| 06:48:31 | jsmanrique | see you later |
| 06:48:32 | pierre | is away: course.. |
| 06:50:28 | colin_werk | Eeek: http://www.osnews.com/printer.php?news_id=1762 |
| 06:54:33 | jsmanrique | anohter ms windows like.. it seems. |
| 06:54:35 | jsmanrique | fine |
| 06:59:26 | mibus | hi colin_werk |
| 06:59:34 | jsmanrique | I am sure people will ask me: why gpe instead of opie for UI development? |
| 06:59:42 | mibus | as long as it isnt actually windows i dont mind so much ;) |
| 06:59:48 | jsmanrique | what would you say |
| 06:59:49 | mibus | jsmanrique: and what will you reply? |
| 07:00:26 | jsmanrique | mibus : it uses X, more community, and I've hear it is more stable |
| 07:00:46 | colin_werk | fltk is C, Qt/E is C++? |
| 07:00:57 | jsmanrique | fltk? |
| 07:00:58 | mibus | jsmanrique: i dont know about the last, but i agree with the first two ;) |
| 07:01:04 | mibus | colin_werk: gtk is C also :P |
| 07:01:12 | colin_werk | Thus fltk --> Gtk+ is easier |
| 07:01:14 | mibus | Fast Light ToolKit |
| 07:01:18 | jsmanrique | fltk is C++, I think |
| 07:01:26 | jsmanrique | mibus : I know.. xcas uses it |
| 07:01:29 | mibus | the palm pilot emulator 'xcopilot' was written in fltk |
| 07:01:48 | jsmanrique | what about gtk-- ? |
| 07:01:59 | mibus | C++ :P |
| 07:02:11 | jsmanrique | yes, I know |
| 07:03:07 | jsmanrique | xcas uses c++ classes and types (gen type) |
| 07:03:17 | mibus | jsmanrique: hence the ":P" :-) |
| 07:03:37 | jsmanrique | if an interface is designed with gtk for it, should it use gtk+ or gtk--? |
| 07:04:05 | mibus | jsmanrique: whatever you prefer using |
| 07:04:12 | jsmanrique | maybe it is a stupid question |
| 07:04:14 | mibus | jsmanrique: IIRC gtk+ works just fine in C++ |
| 07:04:34 | mibus | jsmanrique: but it's a C API, whereas gtk-- is a C++ API to the widgets |
| 07:05:10 | mibus | jsmanrique: the only real downside to gtk-- is that it adds another two library dependancies (libgtkmm and libsigc++ IIRC) |
| 07:05:18 | jsmanrique | ok, it would be just link the UI (gtk+) and the library (C++) |
| 07:05:31 | mibus | jsmanrique: have you written anything in Gtk before? |
| 07:05:35 | mibus | jsmanrique: yeah sure |
| 07:05:48 | jsmanrique | I think it will be more difficult the interactive geometry part of the xcas |
| 07:06:02 | jsmanrique | mibus : haven't written anything before.. :) |
| 07:06:03 | mibus | jsmanrique: if you havent written anything in gtk+ before, look up some "Hello World" apps in gtk+ and gtk-- and compare them |
| 07:06:07 | mibus | jsmanrique: why is that? |
| 07:06:44 | jsmanrique | mibus : but I have donwloaded some tutorial and have bought a book in Spanish about gtk/gdk for development |
| 07:06:49 | mibus | jsmanrique: (the difficulty for the interactive geometry i mean) |
| 07:07:04 | mibus | jsmanrique: ah, ok |
| 07:07:07 | mibus | jsmanrique: ... |
| 07:07:11 | jsmanrique | the interactive geometry part is done completly using fltk features |
| 07:07:40 | jsmanrique | of course, understandign the code, it would be easy |
| 07:07:56 | jsmanrique | but, would be C++ faster than C? |
| 07:08:47 | mibus | jsmanrique: for development or execution? C would be faster to run, C++ *might* be faster to write code in (depending on your preference!) |
| 07:09:38 | jsmanrique | ok, I have ever thought that c++ was faster than anything.. sorry for my unknowledge |
| 07:09:42 | colin_werk | Click some stuff together in glade, then export source in C and C++. |
| 07:09:56 | mibus | jsmanrique: the gtk-- homepage is at http://www.gtkmm.org/ |
| 07:10:07 | jsmanrique | mibus : thanks, I knew it |
| 07:10:35 | jsmanrique | I've seen that glade could be use for gpe development, more or less |
| 07:10:59 | jsmanrique | many told me that glade generates too trash code.. |
| 07:11:02 | mibus | jsmanrique: well if i were you, id write some code in both C and C++ (gtk+ and gtk--) and compare which you are more comfortable with |
| 07:11:08 | mibus | jsmanrique: yes, pretty much ;-) |
| 07:11:08 | jsmanrique | as any wizard I think |
| 07:11:35 | mibus | jsmanrique: you can use 'libglade' if you want, it loads glade files when you run, so there isn't any code to create your windows etc. |
| 07:13:00 | jsmanrique | yes, I've seen somewhere something about "libglade" |
| 07:18:54 | jsmanrique | the only programs I have made ever, are my hp48 and hp49 calculator programs |
| 07:19:00 | mibus | :) |
| 07:19:43 | jsmanrique | http://www.hpcalc.org/details.php?id=4499 |
| 07:20:19 | jsmanrique | of course, I have been able of doing some "hello word" and first gnome app from write.linux site |
| 07:21:09 | mibus | hey mallum |
| 07:21:23 | mallum | hey mibus |
| 07:21:26 | mallum | good evening |
| 07:21:41 | mibus | jsmanrique: "10/10 with 1 vote" ;-) |
| 07:21:47 | mibus | mallum: indeed! |
| 07:21:50 | mibus | mallum: ;) |
| 07:21:55 | mibus | mallum: good morning :P |
| 07:22:10 | mallum | mibus: what have you been up to whilst I have been sleeping |
| 07:22:15 | mibus | mallum: uni |
| 07:22:20 | mibus | mallum: chatting with flypiper |
| 07:22:28 | mibus | mallum: trying to make gnome2 cvs **build** |
| 07:22:31 | mallum | mibus: are you doing comp-sci at uni ? |
| 07:22:40 | mallum | mibus: garnome ? |
| 07:22:47 | mibus | mallum: (which turns out to be a glib HEAD issue) |
| 07:23:09 | mibus | mallum: Bachelor of IT (ie. CS + psychology & english & interpersonal communication skills) |
| 07:23:15 | mibus | mallum: vicious-build-scripts |
| 07:23:35 | mibus | mallum: glib HEAD likes to "link" pthread by doing -pthread not -lpthread |
| 07:23:36 | jsmanrique | mibus : I promise it wasn't my vote |
| 07:23:55 | mibus | mallum: which really pisses off the next app that links against gthread (ie ORBit2) |
| 07:23:58 | mibus | jsmanrique: sure sure :P |
| 07:24:01 | jsmanrique | mibus : I think it is something hpcalc site generates automaticly |
| 07:24:16 | mibus | jsmanrique: uh-huh :P |
| 07:25:20 | mibus | owwwww |
| 07:25:30 | mibus | my machine hung for about 5 seconds when i started plex86 :-( |
| 07:25:54 | jsmanrique | mibus : :'( |
| 07:26:42 | mibus | jsmanrique: well its back now obviously but i was starting to worry :) |
| 07:29:21 | mibus | leaves quietly to go and make tea |
| 07:35:34 | jsmanrique | good |
| 07:36:35 | mibus | is vaguely offended at jsmanrique's thinging his leaving is "good" :-P |
| 07:36:37 | mibus | :-P |
| 07:36:40 | mibus | :-P |
| 07:37:22 | jsmanrique | mallum : I will send you and email with my telephone number to see when we could have an appointment.. perhaps on Friday..most of HPCC conference people will joint that day |
| 07:37:36 | jsmanrique | mibus : sorry, my english is not soo good as I thought |
| 07:37:44 | jsmanrique | mibus : I don't understand |
| 07:38:04 | mibus | jsmanrique: your english is fine. im poking fun at you. i said im leaving, the next comment was from you and said "good" |
| 07:38:21 | mibus | jsmanrique: i was poking fun at the *apparent* "good" of me leaving |
| 07:38:33 | mibus | jsmanrique: sorry for the confusion :) |
| 07:39:04 | mallum | jsmanrique: cool, cant promise anything at the moment cos Friday lunchtime may be going out with people from work as my last day |
| 07:40:01 | mibus | hey wow, im running a 2700-bogomips CPU at 1.9 bogomips under plex86... i think they need some optimisation :D |
| 07:40:55 | mallum | mibus: I dont think plex86 is really built for speed |
| 07:41:09 | mibus | mallum: yet. bochs is slow enough for both of them :) |
| 07:41:16 | mibus | runs away to eat |
| 07:43:30 | pb_ | hello world |
| 07:44:40 | jsmanrique | mallum : weel, jean-yves avenard, one of the greatest coder I have ever known, author of most hp49 soft, and Jornada X25 drivers and soft, will be there, so maybe we could talk togheter about some projects like gpe or sda |
| 07:44:55 | mallum | pb_: hello! |
| 07:44:59 | jsmanrique | hi pb_ |
| 07:45:27 | mallum | jsmanrique: ok I will try ... how long is your stay ? |
| 07:45:53 | mibus | is back for a brief intermission |
| 07:46:12 | jsmanrique | mallum : from tomorrow to Tuesday 24th |
| 07:46:14 | mibus | hi pb_ |
| 07:46:18 | mallum | mibus: wheres my tea ? |
| 07:46:27 | mallum | jsmanrique: oh maybe we could meet on the Monday then |
| 07:46:34 | mibus | cuppa-tea, cuppa-tea, nearly got... |
| 07:46:41 | mibus | mallum: sorry, i ate it ;) :P |
| 07:46:45 | mallum | :( |
| 07:47:28 | pb_ | jsmanrique: did you try the new libgpewidget on your monochrome ipaq? |
| 07:47:34 | jsmanrique | ok, we will see |
| 07:47:44 | jsmanrique | pb_ : not yet |
| 07:47:57 | jsmanrique | pb_ : what are the changes? |
| 07:48:26 | pb_ | no alpha blending on monochrome screens. |
| 07:48:38 | jsmanrique | haven't any of you a ipaq3100? only me? |
| 07:48:55 | jsmanrique | pb_ :wow! I will try later, after lunch |
| 07:49:05 | pb_ | I only have a h3600. |
| 07:49:14 | jsmanrique | pb_ : it is in unstable, isn't it? |
| 07:49:20 | pb_ | I will try to find time to fire up my monochrome xserver and do some testing. |
| 07:49:29 | pb_ | jsmanrique: yes, it's version 0.25 |
| 07:49:38 | mallum | pb_: mono x server ? |
| 07:49:38 | jsmanrique | ok |
| 07:49:45 | mallum | pb_: what on ? |
| 07:50:10 | pb_ | mallum: either on my matrox, or on the sun elc. |
| 07:50:13 | jsmanrique | pb_ : so, ipkg update ;; ipkg upgrade should work, shouldn't it? |
| 07:50:18 | pb_ | jsmanrique: yes. |
| 07:50:46 | pb_ | mallum: the matrox seems to support 4bpp mode, but I haven't checked to see exactly what that's like. |
| 07:50:50 | mallum | pb_: okey, thought you may have some wierd machine with a X on a matrix of led's or summin |
| 07:51:00 | pb_ | mallum: ha, no. |
| 07:51:03 | mallum | pb_: yeah my radeons wont dont 4pp |
| 07:51:04 | mibus | returns to his meal |
| 07:51:53 | pb_ | mallum: and I think the elc is either a staticgray or grayscale visual at 1 or 2bpp, not sure which. |
| 07:52:19 | jsmanrique | it would be great have this working, specially because some HP Calculator manager will see my ipaq running gpe.. and it is a 3100 one |
| 07:52:23 | pb_ | mallum: but it will take me a while to get that machine going, it has no hard disk fitted at the moment. |
| 07:52:47 | pb_ | jsmanrique: sure, try it out and see how you get on. |
| 07:53:04 | pb_ | jsmanrique: if there are still problems, make some new scaps and I'll have a look at it. I didn't see your previous ones before they were removed. |
| 07:56:03 | jsmanrique | ok |
| 07:56:23 | jsmanrique | I must wait unitl lunch to test it |
| 07:56:30 | mallum | pb_: ah |
| 07:57:45 | mibus | returns |
| 07:57:55 | pb_ | mallum: irritatingly, until last week I had a riscpc on my desk which can do almost any bit depth from 1 to 24. But I had to give it back to Wookey a few days ago. |
| 07:59:07 | mibus | pb_, mallum: has anyone considered hacking xnest to allow random greyscale depths? ATM it wont do grayscale unless the native xserver does |
| 07:59:40 | pb_ | mibus: I guess that would be quite a big hack. |
| 07:59:41 | mibus | pb_, mallum: but if xnest could do it then everyone could test on it lots and lots ;) |
| 08:00:21 | pb_ | mibus: would certainly be nice though, why don't you look at it? |
| 08:00:41 | pb_ | or maybe spung can work on that when he finishes gpe-today. |
| 08:01:22 | mallum | mibus: I think it may be easier to do that sort of thing with Xvnc |
| 08:02:09 | mibus | mallum: hmm, good point - it can already do 8bit |
| 08:02:10 | jsmanrique | but it seems that vnc server for ipaq uses a lot of space.. |
| 08:02:14 | jsmanrique | anyone has it? |
| 08:02:31 | mibus | jsmanrique: but we dont need vnc on the ipaq, we're talking about testing apps on the desktop in greyscale mode |
| 08:02:40 | jsmanrique | ok,ok |
| 08:02:52 | mibus | jsmanrique: so we know it'll look good on the ipaq 3100 :) |
| 08:03:21 | jsmanrique | I forget, I was thinking about using vnc to show ipaq screen in the desktop pc |
| 08:04:28 | colin_werk | Let spung make alpha icons use xrender first |
| 08:05:57 | mibus | colin_werk: hmm... appmgr is going to (probably) move to rendering gdk-pixbufs onto a gdkdrawingarea via gdk_pixbuf_composite() |
| 08:06:10 | mibus | colin_werk: which wont use xrender even if its available |
| 08:07:02 | mibus | colin_werk: (afaik) |
| 08:07:12 | pb_ | mibus: why a gdkdrawingarea? If you're using gdk_pixbuf_composite, presumably you have a whole-window pixbuf that you are compositing onto, in which case you can just use a gtkimage I'd have thought. |
| 08:07:56 | pb_ | mibus: or do you have some ingenious plan to avoid the need for a big pixbuf? |
| 08:10:39 | mibus | pb_: no, thats the plan. |
| 08:10:49 | mibus | pb_: i chose a drawingarea at whim |
| 08:10:59 | mibus | pb_: though i recall seeing a reason to use it not gtkimage... |
| 08:12:02 | colin_werk | I'm just talking out of my *ss. |
| 08:12:04 | pb_ | mibus: it would be interesting to think about doing the compositing in real time, so you don't have to keep the composited pixbuf hanging around. |
| 08:12:13 | colin_werk | -> lunch |
| 08:12:19 | pb_ | mibus: I guess the strongarm is probably fast enough for that, though some experimentation might be needed. |
| 08:12:35 | mibus | pb_: the compositing is done on an expose event |
| 08:12:40 | mibus | pb_: so it isnt kept around |
| 08:12:42 | pb_ | mibus: ah, ok. |
| 08:12:46 | mibus | pb_: want my current hack code? |
| 08:12:48 | pb_ | mibus: that's what I was thinking of. |
| 08:12:54 | mibus | pb_: it doesnt do crap all as an appmgr |
| 08:12:59 | mibus | pb_: its sorta how-would-i... code |
| 08:13:05 | pb_ | mibus: no, thanks :-) |
| 08:13:12 | mibus | pb_: aww :P |
| 08:13:20 | mibus | pb_: scared? ;) |
| 08:13:30 | pb_ | mibus: I have enough hacks of my own to contend with :-} |
| 08:13:50 | mibus | pb_: so whats the diff between gtkimage and drawingarea given what im doing? |
| 08:14:01 | pb_ | mibus: you probably do need a drawingarea for that scheme. |
| 08:14:02 | mibus | pb_: oh yeah i remember why i chose drawingarea - the gdk-pixbuf sample code used one :) |
| 08:14:22 | pb_ | mibus: I thought you were going to do all the compositing in advance, in which case expose would just be a blit operation. gtkimage would have been easier then/ |
| 08:14:35 | mibus | pb_: yeah |
| 08:14:42 | mibus | pb_: but that'd be evil for my MasterPlan(TM) |
| 08:14:47 | pb_ | right. |
| 08:14:51 | mibus | pb_: which is to autocorrect for sizing etc. at run-time |
| 08:15:02 | mibus | pb_: and make it uber-easy to insert new icons in real-time |
| 08:15:10 | pb_ | sounds cool. |
| 08:15:20 | pb_ | will you be able to drag the icons around in the windows? :-) |
| 08:15:32 | mibus | no :P |
| 08:15:39 | pb_ | shame |
| 08:15:57 | pb_ | I think that would be a cool feature. |
| 08:16:00 | mibus | pb_: im thinking of having some sort of IPC tell appmgr "re-read file <...>" and have appmgr clear any packages that come from that file, then reload it, thus avoiding the huge lag in update-menus |
| 08:16:09 | mibus | pb_: for moving between sections? |
| 08:16:26 | mibus | pb_: the other advantage to doing it on expose is that window resizes dont cost any more than normal exposes |
| 08:16:35 | mibus | pb_: but it makes normal exposes a little more expensive ;) |
| 08:16:36 | pb_ | mibus: no, I was thinking more of just for arranging files the way you want them in the window. |
| 08:16:49 | pb_ | mibus: if you can figure out a way to do moves between sections like that, it would be even better. |
| 08:16:51 | mibus | pb_: ATM its hard-coded alphabetical |
| 08:16:57 | mibus | pb_: section moves are sensibleish |
| 08:17:12 | mibus | pb_: but ordering would be icky (with the current code anyway) |
| 08:17:15 | mibus | ive gotta go now |
| 08:17:20 | mibus | nice talkin to ya |
| 08:17:22 | pb_ | ok, later. |
| 08:17:34 | mibus | say hi to dc, i have his address now (easy sussex, heh ;) |
| 08:17:46 | pb_ | will do. |
| 08:17:50 | mibus | ill *think* about sending it to him eventually ;) |
| 08:17:52 | mibus | ciao |
| 08:21:34 | jsmanrique | it seems that many things will change in gpe |
| 08:21:59 | mallum | considers bidding for http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2053503808 |
| 08:25:14 | pb_ | hmm, false alarm there. |
| 08:26:05 | pb_ | mallum: need another powerpc? |
| 08:26:14 | mallum | pb_: well Im thinking new firewall |
| 08:26:24 | mallum | pb_: for home |
| 08:26:24 | pb_ | ah. |
| 08:26:39 | mallum | pb_: slightly safter with non x86 arch |
| 08:26:55 | pb_ | indeed, that's one of the reasons I use a netwinder. |
| 08:27:36 | mallum | pb_: problem is, it really needs an isa slot for my isa->pcmcia adaptor for wireless net |
| 08:27:59 | pb_ | mallum: ah, can't you use a PCI or USB adapter? |
| 08:28:13 | mallum | pb_: yeah I could try a pci adaptor |
| 08:28:35 | mallum | pb_: dont think the machine has usb |
| 08:29:17 | pb_ | mmm, right. |
| 08:29:29 | mallum | pb_: I was checking for alphas too, but there didn't seem to be many |
| 08:29:38 | pb_ | mallum: hmm, you can usually pick up UDBs quite cheap |
| 08:29:48 | mallum | pb_: A while back I was offered this 'slim' alpha desktop thing cheap - I should have got it |
| 08:30:03 | mallum | pb_: UDB's ? |
| 08:30:22 | pb_ | mallum: universal desktop box, aka Multia. |
| 08:31:05 | pb_ | mallum: eg http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2055119206 |
| 08:31:12 | pb_ | mallum: that's the alpha box I have. |
| 08:31:31 | pb_ | (well, except the one on ebay is only 166MHz, and mine is 233) |
| 08:33:07 | mallum | pb_: yeah I think thats what I was offered |
| 08:33:12 | pb_ | mallum: very likely, yeah. |
| 08:33:20 | mallum | pb_: it has pcmcia slots already so ideal for wireless hub too |
| 08:33:27 | pb_ | mallum: yup. |
| 08:33:47 | pb_ | mallum: only trouble is the pcmcia is 5V only, so most of my wireless cards won't fit. :-} |
| 08:34:07 | pb_ | mallum: and it uses quite a lot of power, I'm not sure I'd want to leave it on all the time. |
| 08:34:46 | mallum | pb_: ah |
| 08:36:16 | pb_ | mallum: they're quite small and neat though, I used one as the main terminal on my desk for a year or so. |
| 08:37:49 | pb_ | mallum: and they do (usually) have one free PCI slot. |
| 08:46:41 | mallum | pb_[meeting]: for real this time ? |
| 08:56:15 | jsmanrique | hello again |
| 09:19:36 | ujsmanriqe | I hate bitch when it does that |
| 09:19:48 | ujsmanriqe | I hate bitchx (I mean) when it does that |
| 09:22:10 | colin_werk | www.irssi.org |
| 09:50:14 | mallum | moray: I just hacked cupcake so it now does exports for reading content on ipaq |
| 09:58:25 | pb_ | mallum: yeah, that was the real thing. |
| 09:58:53 | mallum | pb_: ha |
| 10:00:01 | jsmanrique | hello again |
| 10:00:58 | pb_ | mallum: filthy salesmen. |
| 10:01:26 | mallum | pb_: ewe |
| 10:01:41 | mallum | pb_: have you asked about the 'Master' yet ? |
| 10:01:50 | pb_ | mallum: no, that guy isn't in the office today. |
| 10:02:05 | mallum | pb_: what his house catch fire ? |
| 10:05:11 | | dc was last seen on #gpe 44 days, 27 minutes and 21 seconds ago, saying: colin_werk: ah thanks alot. [Mon Aug 5 10:37:50 2002] |
| 10:05:11 | mallum | ibot: seen dc |
| 10:05:17 | | dc_ was last seen on #gpe 1 days, 13 hours, 9 minutes and 7 seconds ago, saying: have a nice day etc... [Mon Sep 16 21:56:10 2002] |
| 10:05:17 | mallum | ibot: seen dc_ |
| 11:13:09 | colin_werk | Hey pigeon |
| 11:15:50 | pigeon | Hello... |
| 11:16:22 | colin_werk | pb_: BTW, did you ask Owen about the blog too? How do we write such an entry? |
| 11:41:38 | pb_ | Nope. I was gonna just copy the stuff from mallum's directory. |
| 11:41:42 | pb_ | I didn't write to Owen at all in the end. |
| 11:43:34 | colin_werk | Okay. |
| 11:43:58 | colin_werk | Seems like mallum's format is easier to write too. |
| 11:44:41 | pb_ | Even better, then. |
| 12:00:14 | mallum | colin_werk: does the gpe blog now exist ? |
| 12:03:25 | rellid | does anyone here know about gpe-app manager? |
| 12:03:54 | colin_werk | mallum: We have a cgi-bin, yes. An old one: http://gpe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/news |
| 12:04:01 | rellid | I'm getting this thing where when i first log in, the tabs aren't being shown until I do something like kick out the keyboard. |
| 12:04:16 | rellid | then they pop up/ |
| 12:04:42 | colin_werk | rellid: That is a known bug. Not sure what the resolution could be. |
| 12:08:00 | rellid | One other question I'll throw out-- battmon never works, yet i see it all the time on scap. what's it take to make it work? |
| 12:12:36 | mallum | battmon ? |
| 12:13:05 | mallum | rellid: you mean miniapm ? in which case you need to ipkg install libapm1 |
| 12:14:45 | PaxAnima | hates rain |
| 12:17:54 | pb_ | here we go again :-} |
| 12:28:13 | jsmanrique | hi! |
| 12:28:28 | jsmanrique | I have made some scaps after an upgraded.. |
| 12:28:49 | jsmanrique | with my ipaq3100 unit using new libwidget |
| 12:30:52 | jsmanrique | icons are a bit more clear now, but (there is always a but) not perfect |
| 12:31:33 | jsmanrique | and choose type buttons appear black, so you never now hat has been selected |
| 12:36:20 | PaxAnima | hmm... not good |
| 12:37:28 | jsmanrique | for example in psCalc |
| 12:37:54 | jsmanrique | rpn or infix options can't be seen what is selected. Both are a black point |
| 12:38:37 | PaxAnima | try another gtk-theme |
| 12:38:49 | PaxAnima | I don't use libgpe* |
| 12:39:14 | jsmanrique | yes, I've done it |
| 12:39:32 | jsmanrique | and it is strange, knowing that you don't use it |
| 12:39:50 | PaxAnima | yes... but it worked before you upgraded libgpewidget? |
| 12:40:01 | jsmanrique | yes |
| 12:40:08 | jsmanrique | it is very strange |
| 12:40:12 | PaxAnima | yes.. |
| 12:40:53 | PaxAnima | as I said, it seems to me that there is something weird with your gtk theme |
| 12:42:08 | jsmanrique | there are two gtk themes: gpe and default |
| 12:42:12 | jsmanrique | same problem both |
| 12:43:26 | PaxAnima | time to make som dinner... BBL |
| 12:43:32 | jsmanrique | I must to go now.. |
| 12:43:51 | jsmanrique | if I have time I will do a pair of scaps more to show you it.. |
| 12:52:19 | pb_[meeting] | hmm, most of the icons on jsmanrique's scap look about as good as they're going to get to me. |
| 13:00:27 | colin_werk | BBL |
| 13:35:41 | mibus | zzzzzzz hello? zzzzzzzz |
| 13:35:48 | PaxAnima | hello? |
| 13:35:53 | mibus | mmm |
| 13:35:55 | mibus | tired ;) |
| 13:37:05 | PaxAnima | it's the middle of the night in Australia now? |
| 13:41:24 | mibus | yeah pretty much |
| 13:41:32 | mibus | i just got back from being out with friends |
| 13:41:36 | mibus | so im tired :) |
| 13:41:57 | PaxAnima | oh |
| 13:42:09 | PaxAnima | where in australia are you from? |
| 13:42:26 | mibus | adelaide |
| 13:42:31 | mibus | where are you at? |
| 13:42:35 | PaxAnima | norway |
| 13:42:56 | PaxAnima | I have a couple of friends who study in Wollongong |
| 13:46:50 | mibus | wollongong? cool. |
| 13:46:58 | mibus | not exactly "close" still ;) |
| 13:47:19 | PaxAnima | where is adelaide? |
| 13:52:00 | mibus | south australia |
| 13:52:02 | mibus | its the capital |
| 13:52:24 | PaxAnima | ok |
| 14:00:50 | mibus | is very tired |
| 14:05:34 | mibus | hey pb_ |
| 14:05:44 | | dc_ was last seen on #gpe 1 days, 17 hours, 9 minutes and 34 seconds ago, saying: have a nice day etc... [Mon Sep 16 21:56:10 2002] |
| 14:05:44 | mibus | ibot: seen dc_ |
| 14:09:18 | PaxAnima | pb: jsmanriques icons could look better.. the copy and paste icons looks bette ron psCalc than gpe-edit... but that cold be that the toolbar looks very squeezed |
| 14:13:32 | mibus | checks scap |
| 14:13:36 | mibus | good god its horrid ;) |
| 14:13:58 | PaxAnima | doesn't look too good, no ;) |
| 14:14:36 | mibus | ooh theres xcas screenshots |
| 14:14:54 | mibus | looks like i could have used it when i did math at uni last year :D |
| 14:17:04 | PaxAnima | xcas looks a bit complicated |
| 14:18:02 | mibus | so is university maths ;) |
| 14:18:44 | PaxAnima | you it doesn't have to be that complicated.... just use matlab ;) |
| 14:19:13 | PaxAnima | who is doing app-manager? should add a trailing space after the label to make it look better |
| 14:19:14 | mibus | :D |
| 14:19:20 | mibus | matlab on a PDA |
| 14:19:24 | mibus | lol |
| 14:19:29 | mibus | im doing appmgr |
| 14:19:33 | PaxAnima | ahh ;) |
| 14:19:34 | mibus | and its not gonna happen |
| 14:19:37 | PaxAnima | why not? |
| 14:19:39 | mibus | you can modify the theme to do that afaik |
| 14:20:06 | mibus | because you can modify the theme to do it ;-) |
| 14:20:27 | mibus | seriously, why change something by modifying strings in code when you can edit an rc file? |
| 14:20:29 | PaxAnima | what teme? |
| 14:20:33 | PaxAnima | +h |
| 14:20:48 | PaxAnima | but it looks like sh**? |
| 14:21:09 | mibus | ~/.gtkrc |
| 14:21:14 | mibus | and on my ipaq it looks fine |
| 14:21:31 | mibus | IMHO :P |
| 14:22:26 | mibus | runs scap |
| 14:22:39 | mibus | ive ported appmgr to gtk2, more-or-less |
| 14:22:48 | mibus | the only thing not working is the 'recent apps' list on the dock |
| 14:23:52 | mibus | its very nice having properly antialiased fonts |
| 14:24:10 | mibus | oh yeah, titles sometimes get cut shorter than normal; the code for doing it is, uh, simplified |
| 14:24:27 | mibus | because the way fonts are handled was greatly changed from gtk 1.x to 2.x |
| 14:25:33 | PaxAnima | ok |
| 14:26:21 | PaxAnima | I normally add a leading space to my labels to give them, well, more space ;) |
| 14:26:35 | PaxAnima | otherwise things may look bad |
| 14:27:05 | mibus | :D |
| 14:27:16 | mibus | i dont agree with doing that sort of thing |
| 14:27:20 | mibus | it seems so 'hackish' |
| 14:27:23 | PaxAnima | why? |
| 14:27:33 | PaxAnima | well, hackish _can_ be good ;) |
| 14:27:45 | mibus | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.24252.png |
| 14:27:52 | mibus | _can_, yes |
| 14:27:57 | mibus | in this case, i dont believe so |
| 14:28:27 | mibus | a much better "hack" would be to change the libgtk mini-fork to automatically add spaces :D |
| 14:28:44 | mibus | normally there is a couple more pixels than in appmgr's tabs |
| 14:28:55 | mibus | but theyve been removed to give it more height |
| 14:29:13 | PaxAnima | IMHO I would want a space there (lookg at the scap)... a bit too close to the next tab |
| 14:30:08 | PaxAnima | if you want hackish code, wait until I get the code for psCalc in the CVS ;) ( the flex string parsing bit is _very_ hackish ) |
| 14:31:08 | mibus | :D |
| 14:31:14 | mibus | hmm |
| 14:31:54 | PaxAnima | have you used lex/yacc before? |
| 14:32:07 | mibus | not really |
| 14:32:12 | mibus | i looked at them once though ;) |
| 14:33:42 | mibus | ok ive removed the code to shave those few pixels |
| 14:33:46 | mibus | ill scap it in a sec |
| 14:35:45 | mibus | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.17687.png |
| 14:35:53 | mibus | its a fair bit taller |
| 14:35:57 | mibus | and not much wider :( |
| 14:37:06 | PaxAnima | it helped, IMHO... but it must be possbible to shave the height, and not the width? |
| 14:37:33 | PaxAnima | what widget to you use? GtkNotebook? |
| 14:37:47 | PaxAnima | with a GtkHbox? |
| 14:38:09 | mibus | gtknotebook, with a gtkhbox in the tab label thingo, yes |
| 14:38:16 | mibus | ive added code to add a " " |
| 14:38:23 | mibus | if it ever goes in itll HAVE to be an option |
| 14:38:39 | mibus | cos otherwise it could totally screw up internationalisation |
| 14:38:48 | mibus | and would really have to default to off i guess |
| 14:39:00 | mibus | hmm |
| 14:39:03 | PaxAnima | hmm... |
| 14:39:15 | PaxAnima | "There must be a good way"! ;) |
| 14:39:27 | mibus | GtkPacker? |
| 14:40:03 | cmarqu_ | BTW, libgpewidget has spacings.c which has accessor functions for, well, spacing constants. |
| 14:40:14 | cmarqu_ | Has that since yesterday :) |
| 14:40:20 | PaxAnima | let me think (just make some coffee first) |
| 14:40:35 | cmarqu_ | spacing is based on the GNome 2 HIG, with a scaling factor. |
| 14:40:56 | mibus | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.2428.png |
| 14:41:22 | mibus | im gonna have to get to bed soon i think |
| 14:41:39 | mibus | ive gotta leave home in seven hours ;) |
| 14:41:46 | mibus | and im not gonna get much sleep tomorrow night ;) |
| 14:42:07 | mibus | if you guys wanna talk it over |
| 14:42:28 | mibus | email me thoughts, options, opinions, code, etc. etc. ;-) |
| 14:42:33 | | you are gpe-appmgr author Robert Mibus, Uni student in Adelaide, Australia. See http://handhelds.org/~mibus/ or email mailto:mibus@bigpond.com |
| 14:42:33 | mibus | ibot: me? |
| 14:42:37 | PaxAnima | mibus: that looks good ;) |
| 14:42:45 | mibus | coolios |
| 14:42:54 | PaxAnima | I'll see if I find a better way ;) |
| 14:42:58 | PaxAnima | is the code in CVS? |
| 14:42:59 | mibus | mibus@bigpond.com or mibus@handhelds.org will do just fine ;) |
| 14:43:08 | mibus | appmgr 0.09 is in CVS |
| 14:43:25 | PaxAnima | ok |
| 14:43:27 | mibus | ive got hacky crap in my tree ATM for a new icon list rendering scheme ive been slowly hacking at |
| 14:43:49 | PaxAnima | ok |
| 14:44:12 | mibus | you'll probably be most interested in the function "create_tab_label()" |
| 14:44:37 | mibus | it returns the hb that gets packed into the tab header thingo |
| 14:44:47 | PaxAnima | alright |
| 14:45:14 | mibus | btw the 3rd scap was the space-after-label idea |
| 14:45:25 | PaxAnima | yes, I figured |
| 14:45:29 | mibus | well goodnight :D |
| 14:45:36 | cmarqu_ | Add a space in front of the label too if you must |
| 14:45:38 | PaxAnima | good night |
| 14:45:43 | cmarqu_ | Night mibus |
| 14:45:51 | mibus | PaxAnima: cmarqu_: nighty night! sleep well, let me know whats what! |
| 14:45:54 | mibus | thanks guys |
| 14:45:56 | mibus | :D |
| 14:45:57 | PaxAnima | cmarqu_: then it would better to set the spacing in the HBox |
| 14:46:07 | mibus | dotn forget to send me the log though ;) |
| 14:46:08 | mibus | :P |
| 14:46:15 | cmarqu_ | PaxAnima: right. Why doesn't he do that then? |
| 14:46:42 | PaxAnima | maybe I should mail him the idea? ;) |
| 14:46:49 | cmarqu_ | Yeah :) |
| 14:47:24 | PaxAnima | is it possible to check out stuff with the web CVS thing, or is it just for viewing? |
| 14:47:37 | cmarqu_ | You can download single files. |
| 14:47:47 | PaxAnima | hmm.. it's called "ViewCVS", so I guess it answers my question |
| 14:48:27 | PaxAnima | I guess I should have a CVS user anyway... |
| 14:48:31 | PaxAnima | who do I need to talk to? |
| 14:48:46 | cmarqu_ | pb_ would be the guy |
| 14:49:07 | PaxAnima | I'll check it out using anonymous CVS |
| 14:49:16 | cmarqu_ | PaxAnima: but don't you have a handhelds.org account already? |
| 14:49:48 | cmarqu_ | Not sure if you need an extra one... |
| 14:50:11 | PaxAnima | cmarqu_: I have an hh.org acount |
| 14:50:22 | cmarqu_ | Just try that, it might work... |
| 14:50:26 | PaxAnima | ok |
| 14:55:38 | lotuspaq | how do I close the damn keyboards |
| 14:55:40 | lotuspaq | hi guys |
| 14:55:52 | lotuspaq | I have 5 keyboards opened and I cant close them |
| 14:56:31 | PaxAnima | how did you start the keyboard? |
| 14:56:39 | lotuspaq | the icon |
| 14:57:25 | mallum | lotuspaq: use xkill |
| 14:57:44 | lotuspaq | how do I access xkill??? |
| 14:57:57 | mallum | um, enter xkill on the command line ? |
| 14:58:19 | lotuspaq | well I dont have a command line |
| 14:58:24 | lotuspaq | all is polluted with keyboards |
| 15:00:08 | PaxAnima | does the keyboard windows have a right arrow to the right of it? |
| 15:00:08 | mallum | lotuspaq: restart you ipaq then |
| 15:00:45 | mallum | I gotta go ... |
| 15:12:08 | gazer | looks in. |
| 15:12:23 | cmarqu_ | Hi gazer |
| 15:12:30 | gazer | hi. |
| 15:26:50 | PaxAnima | cmarqu_: setting the spce in the gtkbox won't do it for mibus, BTW... |
| 15:27:00 | cmarqu_ | Oh, why not? |
| 15:28:09 | PaxAnima | the spacing is for the children in the widget (but would off course add space between the icon and the text) |
| 15:29:26 | cmarqu_ | So our GTK+ package needs fixes then maybe? |
| 15:31:08 | PaxAnima | how fixes? |
| 15:32:07 | cmarqu_ | Fixes in the notebook widget if it can't be done from the outside? Or did I get you wrong? |
| 15:36:16 | PaxAnima | I think so |
| 15:37:13 | cmarqu_ | BBIAB |
| 15:53:56 | PaxAnima | cmarqu_: are you there? |
| 16:02:49 | PaxAnima | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.19434.png |
| 16:02:52 | PaxAnima | looks better? |
| 16:04:30 | cmarqu_ | PaxAnima: Yes, I'd say so |
| 16:04:53 | PaxAnima | mailed the solution to mibus |
| 16:05:07 | PaxAnima | changed 1 line of code |
| 16:05:15 | cmarqu_ | Cool. |
| 16:05:35 | PaxAnima | mail sent to mibus |
| 16:20:25 | | mallum was last seen on #gpe 1 hours, 19 minutes and 40 seconds ago, saying: I gotta go ... [Wed Sep 18 16:00:45 2002] |
| 16:20:25 | grib | ibot seen mallum |
| 16:32:19 | rellid | anyone know why my app laucher dies on the dock when I touch it? |
| 16:33:33 | cmarqu_ | rellid: Is this on a 31xx? |
| 16:35:17 | prpplague | rellid: you didn't buy it dinner first? |
| 16:36:31 | prpplague | pb_: ! |
| 16:36:58 | prpplague | pb_: you know your nick makes me think of peanut butter |
| 16:37:02 | pb_ | ha! |
| 16:37:43 | rellid | naw, a 3670. Yes, I fully charged it up before heavy petting ;) |
| 16:38:09 | rellid | problem is, there is no loggin that i can find for familar/gpe |
| 16:38:56 | rellid | it was working, but this is a totally fresh install of .6 and then upgraded with unstable. |
| 16:40:13 | rellid | Now it won't show up on the dock, and selecting it with the app/menu puts it there, but touching it makes it dissapear. |
| 16:40:41 | cmarqu_ | rellid: log in remotely, then run mmenu |
| 16:45:10 | rellid | ack, whats the command to request a dhcp server to give up an address? |
| 16:52:00 | pb_ | don't think you can do that. |
| 16:55:53 | rellid | what? its dhcpcd . |
| 17:00:02 | cmarqu_ | Hmm. hh.org seems down |
| 17:08:53 | pb_ | dhcpcd is the dhcp client, not the server. |
| 17:09:16 | pb_ | cmarqu_: yes. |
| 17:19:22 | pierre | cmarqu_: I ve read your mail. |
| 17:19:40 | pierre | cmarqu_: it would not be simpler to make a gpe_set* instead |
| 17:19:54 | cmarqu_ | pierre: Hmm. How? |
| 17:20:58 | pierre | cmarqu_: function that will automagicaly set the right spacing. |
| 17:21:15 | pierre | 1 function call instead of two I suppose. |
| 17:21:39 | pierre | 9 I dont know really the spacing stuff.. |
| 17:21:49 | pierre | but.. |
| 17:22:44 | cmarqu_ | I don't understand. You call up to 4 functions (as defined right now) and store them in variables, which you use instead of e.g. the 6 in catvbox1 = gtk_vbox_new (FALSE, 6); |
| 17:23:26 | cmarqu_ | So, you can get a vbox spacing of 12 on the desktop, and 6 on the PDA, for example. |
| 17:24:30 | cmarqu_ | My intention is to get rid of any "magic number" ideally. |
| 17:24:42 | pierre | ah ok.. I always put 0 to thse values :/ as i didnt noticed the difference.. |
| 17:27:20 | cmarqu_ | The time and appmgr applets should conform to the Gnome HIG now (apart from the bold category font) |
| 17:31:42 | pierre | cool. I cant connect to cvs |
| 17:31:52 | cmarqu_ | Yeah, it's all down. |
| 17:32:22 | pierre | ok. another time.. |
| 17:36:43 | cmarqu_ | pierre: is there a problem with making the keyctl applet using the "global" scrolledwindow? |
| 18:18:49 | dc_ | hooray. |
| 18:18:50 | dc_ | hehe |
| 18:19:37 | pb_ | hi dc_ |
| 18:19:51 | dc_ | we came 6th :] |
| 18:19:56 | pb_ | out of how many? |
| 18:20:02 | dc_ | 26 |
| 18:20:09 | pb_ | ah, pretty cool. |
| 18:20:12 | pb_ | well done :-) |
| 18:20:37 | dc_ | yeah, we won 2 of the 4 other "Best ..." trophies |
| 18:20:45 | pb_ | excellent. |
| 18:20:56 | dc_ | considering what we had, heh. |
| 18:21:33 | dc_ | you wouldn't believe the loo on some peoples faces, especialy the ones from west sussex engineering hehe. |
| 18:21:41 | pb_ | :-) |
| 18:21:46 | dc_ | but anyway.... |
| 18:21:59 | dc_ | I havn't slept for 2 days :\ |
| 18:22:44 | pb_ | ah, not so good. |
| 18:27:58 | pb_ | dc_: oh, mibus was on earlier, he says hi and that he will send your jumper "eventually" |
| 18:28:53 | dc_ | cool, cool :) |
| 18:31:55 | pb_ | hmm. :-/ |
| 18:32:03 | pb_ | trying to buy some large batteries |
| 18:36:10 | dc_ | :] |
| 18:36:53 | pb_ | all the ones I want are either discontinued, really expensive, or only available in the US. |
| 18:39:11 | dc_ | ack , I know it's sometimes like that |
| 18:40:22 | pb_ | hey, anyone heard from mccarthy recently? |
| 18:40:26 | | mccarthy was last seen on #handhelds.org 5 days, 22 hours, 22 minutes and 31 seconds ago, saying: you guys will break it down eventually, dont give up! :) [Thu Sep 12 21:17:55 2002] |
| 18:40:26 | pb_ | ibot, seen mccarthy? |
| 18:40:28 | dc_ | no... |
| 18:40:33 | dc_ | hrm |
| 18:40:43 | pb_ | darn. |
| 18:40:55 | pb_ | I want to know when we will have working alarm support so I can release a new gpe-calendar. |
| 18:41:53 | pb_ | Joe checked this in a couple of weeks ago: |
| 18:41:53 | pb_ | * event-ui.c: add rtcd support for alarms and re-show alarm notepage |
| 18:41:54 | pb_ | WE NEED TO FIX THIS PRIOR TO OUR NEXT RELEASE SINCE THE RTCD IS A HACK! |
| 18:42:06 | pb_ | but it's not really clear exactly what should be done to fix it. :-} |
| 18:44:48 | dc_ | heh... |
| 18:45:01 | dc_ | watches a few episodes of chobits |
| 18:49:40 | pb_ | recalculates some spreadsheets |
| 18:50:05 | cmarqu_ | packs some boxes |
| 18:50:13 | cmarqu_ | some gtk boxes |
| 18:51:00 | pb_ | heh |
| 18:51:25 | pb_ | spent about an hour (re)packing cardboard boxes earlier |
| 18:52:22 | cmarqu_ | :) |
| 18:53:46 | cmarqu_ | Hrrm. When woll the power outage at CRL be over... |
| 18:54:09 | pb_ | Normally their outages seem to last a long time. |
| 18:54:09 | pb_ | :-/ |
| 18:54:10 | dc_ | heh |
| 18:54:16 | dc_ | do you useualy have them? |
| 18:54:17 | dc_ | no ups? |
| 18:54:31 | pb_ | CRL do seem to have more power outages than most. |
| 18:55:04 | cmarqu_ | UPS just enough for a safe shutdown I guess |
| 18:55:24 | pb_ | Yeah. It would probably take a lotta batteries to keep the whole of Compaq humming. |
| 18:56:24 | pb_ | Shame handhelds.org doesn't actually run on an iPAQ, then it would probably be OK. They'd only need to keep the network equipment running so it stayed reachable. |
| 18:56:47 | pb_ | I guess this stuff is not of top priority to the management at HP though :-) |
| 18:59:01 | pb_ | yo mallum |
| 18:59:13 | dc_ | hey dude ;) |
| 19:00:07 | cmarqu_ | mallum: Tell these guys here to sponsor you: http://www.tiqit.com/mpc/mpc.html |
| 19:00:33 | pb_ | Hell, my monitor keeps making noises like it's going to blow up. |
| 19:00:46 | dc_ | pb_: not cool... |
| 19:00:52 | pb_ | If I suddenly go quiet, send the medics. |
| 19:00:53 | mallum | hello party people |
| 19:01:26 | mallum | dc_: hey there dudeo, are you still holding on to ddr ram and soundcard for me ? |
| 19:01:57 | mallum | cmarqu_: they'll probably sue me |
| 19:02:19 | cmarqu_ | mallum: Hmm... maybe. But they mention Linux. |
| 19:04:20 | dc_ | mallum: :/ |
| 19:04:26 | dc_ | mallum: if I even get to sell my box... |
| 19:04:42 | dc_ | mallum: but I have this feeling it probly won't be any time soon now :/ |
| 19:05:04 | mallum | dc_: okey np |
| 19:05:19 | pb_ | dc_: decided not to get a cube after all? |
| 19:05:27 | mallum | dc_: if you do decide to though, keep me in mind :) |
| 19:05:33 | dc_ | once I get some money |
| 19:05:42 | pb_ | ah, that problem. |
| 19:05:57 | mallum | I just got mailed some shots of matchbox on a PS2 |
| 19:05:59 | dc_ | indeed. |
| 19:06:05 | dc_ | mallum: haha, cool : |
| 19:06:08 | dc_ | :D |
| 19:06:13 | pb_ | mallum: excellent |
| 19:13:02 | cmarqu_ | pb_: Can gtkminifilesel make a file selected when the user opens it? |
| 19:13:14 | cmarqu_ | opens the file selector, that is |
| 19:14:17 | pb_ | cmarqu_: not at present, but I think it could be arranged. |
| 19:14:42 | cmarqu_ | pb_: I'll file a wishlist bug then |
| 19:14:43 | pb_ | cmarqu_: you mean that you want to offer a kind of default file? |
| 19:14:49 | cmarqu_ | pb_: Yes. |
| 19:14:49 | pb_ | sure, go ahead. |
| 19:15:01 | pb_ | cmarqu_: okay, seems reasonable enough. |
| 19:15:47 | cmarqu_ | I.e., when the user has selected an owner photo and decides to change it later, I want to have the old owner photo selected in the filesel |
| 19:16:19 | pb_ | right. |
| 19:17:06 | cmarqu_ | Oh, and can it filter files types? |
| 19:17:34 | pb_ | Don't think so. That would be another wishlist bug, I suppose. |
| 19:17:36 | cmarqu_ | I guess the screen real estate is to precious fro that... |
| 19:17:39 | mallum | hey BBrox, jg |
| 19:17:50 | pb_ | You might be able to persuade dc_ to look at some of that stuff, he was the last person to work on gtkminifilesel. |
| 19:18:27 | cmarqu_ | Maybe set filtered-out file types insensitive, bt that's maybe not possible... |
| 19:18:29 | cmarqu_ | Okay. |
| 19:19:15 | dc_ | I must admin it would be nice |
| 19:19:19 | dc_ | maby a gpefilesel... |
| 19:19:25 | dc_ | heh |
| 19:20:07 | dc_ | cmarqu_: that can go on my vuage list of things to do....but school has been taking up alot of time lately |
| 19:20:43 | cmarqu_ | dc_: Yeah... :/ Anyway, it won't be forgotten when it's there. |
| 19:22:44 | dc_ | :] |
| 19:30:57 | dc_ | BUT WAIT |
| 19:31:00 | dc_ | there is hope :) |
| 19:31:13 | pb_ | dc_: oh good, how come? |
| 19:31:28 | dc_ | mallum: the parts may still be avalible, but not any time t soon. |
| 19:31:30 | BBrox | Hmmmmm |
| 19:32:02 | dc_ | pb_: I just got a phone call freom a friend who wants a pretty big php job done. |
| 19:32:09 | dc_ | here comes my money :) |
| 19:32:21 | dc_ | well, probly half of it for my glasses.... |
| 19:33:00 | dc_ | or probly less if I get on the good side of my parents. ;} |
| 19:33:24 | pb_ | dc_: ah cool |
| 19:33:57 | pb_ | dc_: didn't know you were a php fiend too :-) |
| 19:37:25 | mallum | dc_: make your parents pay for your glasses ;) |
| 19:37:58 | pb_ | mallum: that scarcely seems fair, his parents aren't the ones wearing them :-) |
| 19:38:21 | grib | pb_: but their genes saddled him with them |
| 19:38:24 | grib | :) |
| 19:38:38 | pb_ | good point. |
| 19:39:01 | dc_ | haha, yeah |
| 19:39:03 | mallum | yeah |
| 19:39:11 | dc_ | well, we got 100 pounds back on them |
| 19:39:23 | dc_ | so I on't really min paying 100 for them myself |
| 19:39:39 | dc_ | I was supposed to get NHS ones.. |
| 19:39:40 | dc_ | ;] |
| 19:40:08 | dc_ | but I guess getting this job means I'll be ever more closer to my new iMac :DD |
| 19:40:43 | pb_ | yeah. |
| 19:41:07 | pb_ | now you just have to wait for mallum to get a job so he can buy your old kit. |
| 19:41:15 | dc_ | argf, and I still have to many emails though |
| 19:41:22 | dc_ | hehe |
| 19:41:26 | pb_ | still? you ought to learn to read quicker. |
| 19:41:31 | pb_ | or delete quicker, one or the other. |
| 19:42:15 | dc_ | yeah, maby I need to join some local support group to help get rid of my fear of too many emails... |
| 19:42:19 | dc_ | ;/ |
| 19:42:25 | pb_ | indeed. |
| 19:43:29 | mallum | pb_: a have a little money |
| 19:43:43 | pb_ | mallum: :-) |
| 19:43:57 | dc_ | mallum: ah, good'o then hehe |
| 19:44:22 | mallum | dc_: do you have to get powerful lenses ? |
| 19:45:14 | dc_ | mallum: 1.50 and 1.75 |
| 19:45:15 | dc_ | heh |
| 19:45:20 | dc_ | not that powerfull.. |
| 19:45:22 | mallum | dc_: bah thats nothing |
| 19:45:33 | mallum | dc_: Im like 8.0 in both eyes |
| 19:45:35 | dc_ | compared to you, I guess so :/ |
| 19:45:47 | dc_ | mallum: have you always had it that bad? |
| 19:45:57 | mallum | dc_: My lenses were 400 quid cos I get the real high index thin ones |
| 19:46:05 | dc_ | oooh |
| 19:46:10 | mallum | dc_: well progressively worse since about 4 |
| 19:46:15 | dc_ | mallum: ahh |
| 19:46:28 | mallum | dc_: they calmed down when I got to about 18/20 |
| 19:46:35 | dc_ | mallum: well atleasy they're better than the old coke bottle lenses. |
| 19:46:46 | mallum | dc_: yeah, I used to where contacts |
| 19:47:20 | dc_ | ahh |
| 19:50:27 | dc_ | oh btw pb_ and mallum I'll most defently be able to come to the expo |
| 19:50:36 | dc_ | I sent of a reg form.. |
| 19:50:41 | dc_ | and lied about ym age. |
| 19:51:23 | dc_ | lets just say errr...wel make up some story that they really shouldn't know about me actualy being 18. |
| 19:51:25 | dc_ | hehe |
| 19:51:51 | pb_ | dc_: heh, cool. |
| 19:51:57 | pb_ | dc_: which day do you plan to be there? |
| 19:52:09 | dc_ | 9 and 10. |
| 19:52:19 | pb_ | ah, both, cool. |
| 19:52:34 | dc_ | but I was gonna see if I coul stay with mallum... |
| 19:52:44 | pb_ | lemme check my diary, see what the chances are of getting time off work for those two days. |
| 19:52:47 | dc_ | mallum: ;) |
| 19:53:30 | dc_ | even though we probly won't go back on the 10th by the looks of it, it'd still be good to meet up for a while. |
| 19:53:39 | cmarqu_ | Eeek. I submitted bug 115 twice... |
| 19:53:54 | dc_ | cmarqu_: oh...thanks! |
| 19:53:56 | dc_ | hehe |
| 19:53:58 | pb_ | hmm, the 10th is clear but I seem to have a meeting booked for the afternoon of the 9th |
| 19:54:05 | pb_ | never mind, I'm sure I can skip it. |
| 19:54:05 | dc_ | more emails from bugzilla... |
| 19:54:13 | dc_ | pb_: :) |
| 19:54:18 | dc_ | ok. |
| 19:54:22 | dc_ | time for me to sleep now |
| 19:54:24 | dc_ | talk tomorrow. |
| 19:54:29 | cmarqu_ | dc_: Bye |
| 19:54:32 | pb_ | dc_: night. |
| 19:54:41 | gazer | is handhelds.org still down? |
| 19:55:21 | pb_ | looks like it. |
| 19:55:29 | mallum | pb_: cool, you still come come to the expo :) |
| 19:55:41 | pb_ | mallum: yeah. |
| 19:56:32 | moray | appears again (people seem to keep on finding ways of stopping me getting anything done, on the assumption I don't have anything to do) |
| 19:56:37 | pb_ | ha. |
| 19:57:34 | moray | and the time I did have today I spent trying to organise moving stuff away from Edinburgh... |
| 19:58:54 | pb_ | ah, you moving back down south? |
| 19:59:26 | moray | apparently so; I'll probably be in Cambridge again by the start of October... |
| 19:59:31 | moray | (doing some random course for a year) |
| 19:59:47 | pb_ | oh right, cool. |
| 20:00:13 | cmarqu_ | will have to add another small map for all these uk guys alone... |
| 20:00:17 | pb_ | still trying to put off the day when you have to get a job, then. |
| 20:00:18 | moray | (though I'm more immediately moving the stuff in with my brother in London) |
| 20:00:23 | moray | pb_: that sort of thing ;) |
| 20:00:46 | pb_ | cmarqu_: indeed, it's getting pretty crowded around here. |
| 20:01:01 | moray | pb_: though rather less effectively than friends of mine who've decided to do PhDs, which gives them an excuse not to do anything at all for three years... |
| 20:01:46 | moray | I might go down to London at the weekend to set up ADSL at my brother's, though I'm not going to be ready to move properly then really |
| 20:01:46 | gazer | moray: three years?! |
| 20:02:24 | gazer | moray: I don't know what of program that is but three years for a PhD is a land speed record around here ... :) |
| 20:02:37 | moray | gazer: yes, they generally spend about three years drinking coffee, then another few months writing up something to make it look as if they had been working |
| 20:02:37 | pb_ | gazer: money usually runs out after about three years. :-/ |
| 20:02:43 | moray | gazer: US? different system |
| 20:03:09 | gazer | hmm. I guess. Maybe I should move over there. :) |
| 20:03:26 | gazer | I've been hacking away at mine for 6 years, which isn't that far above the curve. |
| 20:03:31 | moray | gazer: well, my flatmate had been thinking of doing her PhD at MIT until she realised it would take seven years there... |
| 20:03:54 | gazer | yup. And funding is far from assured at a place like MIT. |
| 20:04:58 | moray | gazer: here funding is usually for three years; very few people finish in that time, but most do finish within the next year. obviously some people are still going after 10 years... |
| 20:06:02 | gazer | I wonder what is different between the two systems. Over here, residency is a minimum of three years, with most finishing after 5. The current speed record at my univ is 3.5, and resulted in one of the worst dissertations on record. |
| 20:06:46 | gazer | the majority probably finishing between 5 and 8 years. |
| 20:07:09 | gazer | with an attrition rate of 60 - 70%. |
| 20:08:57 | moray | gazer: certainly a lot of US programmes seem to include preparatory years that the UK system assumes you've already done, so the difference would be less if you discounted those... |
| 20:09:16 | gazer | does a PhD there involve any coursework? |
| 20:09:40 | moray | gazer: it presumably also makes a difference that most people in the UK do pretty specific initial courses at university, compared to the US system |
| 20:10:29 | moray | gazer: different universities/departments have different approaches, but certainly in some universities it's just 'turn up, do some research, and write it up' without any coursework/structure/teaching |
| 20:11:10 | gazer | ah. that may explain the difference. I spent 3 years doing classes and am getting my butt kicked teaching ... :) |
| 20:12:38 | moray | I think science subjects tend to be slightly more structured than arts ones here, but you still wouldn't in general expect to have to take any courses once you were on to the PhD programme in general (at most you might be encouraged to go along to a few to fill in areas you hadn't already done much in) |
| 20:16:07 | cmarqu | n8 Ostzonixsuppenwuerfel |
| 20:16:19 | cmarqu | Grrr. |
| 20:16:23 | moray | cmarqu: ? |
| 20:16:55 | cmarqu | Lag combined with ping timeout... |
| 20:17:59 | mallum | Me Want: http://www.charismac.com/Products/hubzilla/index.html |
| 20:17:59 | moray | ah |
| 20:20:19 | mallum | sid want: http://www.dreamkitty.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=DK2000&Product_Code=K-FB109141&Category_Code=HK |
| 20:22:07 | cmarqu | DIY. http://www.exonome.com/fj/phkl/ |
| 20:29:17 | gazer | hmm. |
| 20:30:09 | gazer | so if I install a key snooper in main.c, it works. If I install it in a library function, it won't do anything. |
| 20:58:08 | gazer | woo hoo. it works. |
| 21:04:05 | cmarqu | key snooping? What keys? |
| 21:11:47 | gazer | Well, I want to capture the up and down keys so that the joypad DTRT. |
| 21:21:18 | cmarqu | Ah. |
| 21:53:30 | PaxAnima | hello |
| 22:48:27 | jsmanrique | hi |
| 22:57:46 | lotuspaq | hi |
| 22:57:55 | lotuspaq | any1 can help me out with PPP??? |
| 23:01:50 | jsmanrique | I would like.. |
| 23:02:15 | jsmanrique | but everyone told: read the wiki.. |
| 23:02:47 | lotuspaq | is it for me?? |
| 23:02:52 | jsmanrique | so I have finally buyed a CF network car and CF sleeve for the ipaq.. and now I don't mind PPP |
| 23:03:16 | lotuspaq | I allready RTFM |
| 23:03:19 | jsmanrique | of course, I would like seeing it working to show iPAQ screen in other desktop |
| 23:03:28 | lotuspaq | I typed /usr/sbin/pppd /dev/ttyS0 115200 192.168.0.1:192.168.0.2 nodetach local noauth debug nocrtscts lock user ppp connect "/usr/sbin/chat -v -t3 ogin--ogin: ppp" as hh.org says |
| 23:03:33 | lotuspaq | but it does not work |
| 23:03:58 | jsmanrique | same to me.. it seems that I haven't ppp in the pc side |
| 23:05:27 | lotuspaq | all I got here in all the channels is the very very helpfull RTFM |
| 23:06:55 | jsmanrique | yes, I know |
| 23:40:03 | jsmanrique | hi |
| 23:40:08 | jsmanrique | anybody there? |
