| 04:30:22 | colin_werk | Morning. |
| 06:56:07 | jsmanrique | hello |
| 06:56:12 | jsmanrique | good morning |
| 07:36:05 | jsmanrique | hola |
| 07:40:12 | jsmanrique | hello pierre |
| 07:40:24 | pierre | hi |
| 07:40:52 | jsmanrique | sorry, last night Debian took more than some minutes to get working fine |
| 07:41:08 | pierre | I guess,, |
| 07:41:16 | jsmanrique | but at least I have configured my first kernel, and my laptop is running fine |
| 07:41:23 | pierre | wow.. |
| 07:41:27 | pierre | and usb? |
| 07:41:56 | jsmanrique | it is configured.. but jx25 usb was left for tonight.. I wil see what happens |
| 07:42:11 | pierre | :) |
| 07:42:29 | jsmanrique | and I left pcmcia network card configuring for tonight too.. |
| 07:42:30 | pierre | I dont had the time to test it.. |
| 07:42:56 | pierre | you neednt pcmcia, if usb work |
| 07:43:07 | jsmanrique | but pcmcia is supported now.. leds bright ;) |
| 07:43:22 | jsmanrique | I need pcmcia to conect the laptop to internet ;) |
| 07:43:28 | pierre | oh yes.. |
| 07:43:53 | jsmanrique | and to join the gpe cvs and begin working in es.po files and makign firsts tries |
| 07:46:00 | pierre | lot of work.. |
| 07:46:17 | jsmanrique | I know.. |
| 07:46:38 | jsmanrique | but after localization in xcas, I have learned a bit about .po files ;) |
| 07:47:05 | jsmanrique | and we would like to create some kind of gpe-es branch |
| 07:47:22 | jsmanrique | like gnome and gnome hispano (http://es.gnome.org ) |
| 07:47:23 | pierre | I dont know at all how gettext, po, amd i18n work.. |
| 07:47:49 | jsmanrique | I know how to translate es.po files, more or less.. |
| 07:48:07 | pierre | as far as I have understood, we jsut need a LOCALE_ES package |
| 07:48:18 | jsmanrique | I have done it (and I do it) for xcas.. |
| 07:50:14 | jsmanrique | there is a project under gnome called GUNIH (Gnome in the Hispanic Universities) and I am part fo it |
| 07:51:30 | jsmanrique | so SDA could be a part of it too.. so some gpe localization is needed |
| 07:53:21 | pierre | hey! dont make SDA a spannish only project :) |
| 07:54:23 | jsmanrique | not, not only spanish |
| 07:54:56 | jsmanrique | but we need a spanish branch to get some help here :) |
| 07:55:31 | jsmanrique | as you see savannah site is in english.. |
| 07:55:53 | jsmanrique | and I will try to create doc in both english and spanish.. |
| 07:56:11 | pierre | it is the minimum.. |
| 07:56:30 | jsmanrique | :9 |
| 07:56:32 | jsmanrique | :) |
| 07:57:13 | colin_werk | I have yet to find a tool that lets you keep a text in multiple languages in sync. Not sure if docbook could do it. |
| 08:19:56 | ujsmanriqe | sync? What do you mean with sync? |
| 08:21:54 | ujsmanriqe | oops |
| 08:22:09 | ujsmanriqe | it seems that this fails sometimes.. |
| 08:39:17 | jsmanrique | ok |
| 08:39:24 | jsmanrique | my nick has come back ;) |
| 08:40:13 | romana | hi, anyone wish to help someone thoroughly irked by tryign to synch a handspring visor on debian? |
| 08:40:59 | jsmanrique | ins't there a package to sync evolution and pilot devices? |
| 08:41:06 | jsmanrique | really I don't know |
| 08:47:03 | jsmanrique | and, thanks for GpeHacking anc CrossCompilation links |
| 08:51:38 | mallum | hey |
| 08:52:19 | pb_ | hi mallum |
| 08:54:32 | mallum | pb_: hey |
| 08:54:40 | mallum | pb_: doh, solaris dont have strsep :( |
| 08:57:45 | jsmanrique | hello mallum |
| 09:01:18 | mallum | hello jsmanrique# |
| 09:04:03 | Hallski | hi mallum |
| 09:04:35 | mallum | hey Hallski |
| 09:13:12 | colin_werk | jsmanrique: "sync" means: if the original document changes, how do you make sure that you also change that in the spanish version? Without manual checking that is. |
| 09:14:07 | colin_werk | In general, I never trust a translated version, because too often it is out of date. |
| 09:15:55 | jsmanrique | colin_werk : yes, I've understood |
| 09:19:20 | colin_werk | If, for a certain format of documents/texts, there was an automated way to track changes, it would be okay. But there just isn't one. It is even a hard task to get a diff that works on a per-paragraph basis. (There is adiff, but even that is not good enough apparently). |
| 09:20:08 | jsmanrique | doesn't cvs take care about diffs? |
| 09:23:49 | colin_werk | If you want to track changes in a document that has gotten different line breaks due to editing, you get the whole paragraph/section/whatever marked up as changed. Not what you want. |
| 09:27:24 | jsmanrique | ok |
| 10:00:53 | colin_werk | "Wireless MMX", what a stupid name.... http://www.intel.com/design/pca/prodbref/251669.htm |
| 11:31:38 | pb_ | mallum: ah. |
| 11:44:54 | mallum | pb_: fixed now |
| 11:45:11 | mallum | pb_: so matchbox builds on solaris apparently |
| 11:49:35 | mallum | pb_: time for a quick c que ? |
| 11:58:23 | pierre | -:1: error: invalid string constant "gpe_labels", expected valid string constant |
| 11:58:39 | pierre | I ve many of these, what is it? |
| 12:02:56 | colin_werk | pierre: you need a newer libgpewidget |
| 12:03:13 | colin_werk | But it doesn't hurt if you don't |
| 12:07:02 | mallum | jg_: hello |
| 12:07:41 | jg_ | hello |
| 12:12:34 | mallum | jg_: I think I've finally figure XImages out :) |
| 12:13:16 | jg_ | mallum: My condolences. They are all screwed up. |
| 12:13:48 | jg_ | I had to get on an airplane and douse flames in the middle of designing that crud, and I lost all context and screwed up. |
| 12:15:47 | mallum | jg_: ? |
| 12:16:21 | mallum | jg_: the plain caught fire ? |
| 12:16:27 | mallum | plane rather |
| 12:17:39 | jg_ | No, political flamage with the VMS crowd. |
| 12:17:50 | jg_ | mallum: which was important at the time. |
| 12:18:29 | jg_ | mallum: they had had their window system shot in favor of X, and were more than a bit grumpy, and looking for ways to make trouble. |
| 12:18:46 | jg_ | mallum: can't say I blame them, under the circumstances. |
| 12:19:08 | jg_ | mallum: but it meant on zero warning I had to fly to NE from California to go to a meeting. |
| 12:20:07 | jg_ | mallum: the thing that suffered as a result was the image stuff, since I got very distracted. |
| 12:21:49 | grib | jg_: yabbut understanding XImages kept me in skittles during graduate school :) if it weren't for obscure knowledge there would be no competitive advantage is being a geek! |
| 12:22:03 | grib | s/is/in |
| 12:22:08 | pierre | colin_werk: thanx! |
| 12:22:34 | mallum | jg_: ah, well is it really that bad ? I've just found it hard to unders |
| 12:22:41 | mallum | tand |
| 12:22:52 | jg_ | mallum: It sucks. |
| 12:23:07 | jg_ | grib: certainly obscure. |
| 12:23:14 | mallum | jg_: but I think that maybe cos I dont have a background in comp sci and always get a little stumped when it comes to bit wise ops etc |
| 12:23:29 | jg_ | mallum: no, the design is pretty broken. |
| 12:23:48 | jg_ | mallum: and things that should exist do not, and things that should be opaque are not. |
| 12:24:00 | jg_ | mallum: Your confusion is a result of a broken design. |
| 12:24:38 | jg_ | mallum, grib: I've always hoped someone would write a complete replacement and we could deprecate the interfaces. |
| 12:25:01 | grib | i think every programmer/designer could say that about 90% of the work they have done :) |
| 12:25:13 | mallum | jg_: like some of the params you pass to XCreateImage ? such as offset and bytes per line ? |
| 12:25:36 | jg_ | mallum: no, some of it makes sense, but some does not. |
| 12:26:29 | jg_ | mallum, grib: basically, the design is broken. Broken enough to be quite obnoxious, but not so broken anyone (myself included) has stepped up to fix it. |
| 12:27:25 | jg_ | mallum, grib: moral is: if you get interrupted in the middle of trying to design something, try to throw out the incomplete design when you get back to it. |
| 12:28:27 | ade | is that always best? |
| 12:29:20 | jg_ | ade: than living 15 years with brokenness? Yup. |
| 12:34:13 | mallum | jg_: hows the cursors ? |
| 12:50:56 | colin_werk | BBL |
| 12:53:44 | mallum | doh, my contract just got cut short :( |
| 12:55:56 | grib | hey - anybody know why sometimes gpe-appmgr (from fam unstable) doesn't show any tabs, just the contents of the configuration tab? |
| 13:01:12 | ade_ | points finger at jg_ and X changes to unstable feed |
| 13:02:18 | grib | is there a recommended way to back off to a working version? |
| 13:02:54 | grib | i.e. a particular package to replace with another from the 0.6 pre feed? |
| 13:05:14 | ade_ | probably, never tried. the changes happend mid august try X from before then. jg_ made changes to X and then went on hols. we all noticed that gtk1.2 got affected |
| 13:05:21 | ade_ | gtk2 was not |
| 13:06:07 | ade_ | hides if jg_ is not responsible |
| 13:06:27 | jg_ | ade_: I put new packages in unstable just before going on vacation. |
| 13:06:50 | jg_ | Only significant problem I've seen reported is that title bars are breaking for some wierd reason. |
| 13:07:12 | jg_ | grib: put the packages from the pre-1 feed back in... |
| 13:07:36 | grib | jg_: ok, thanks. i'll see if that fixes the gpe-appmgr problem. |
| 13:07:59 | ade_ | ok sorry if i got it wrong. gpe had quite a few hickups while you were on vac |
| 13:08:28 | ade_ | not sure if they were all reported, i think we were going to wait for you to return |
| 13:08:32 | jg_ | grib: I'll try to figure out what is wrong once Keith and I have finished the randr stuff we're trying to get fininished for XFree86 4.3. |
| 13:08:51 | jg_ | ade_: well, unstable is named unstable for a reason... |
| 13:09:23 | jg_ | ade_: it is *not* the intent to put out the packages in unstable for v0.6... |
| 13:09:44 | ade_ | plus i think most people are secretly hoping you will reduce the size of things so we cqan have gtk2 on flash and space left :) |
| 13:10:05 | jg_ | ade_: as soon as we finish the randr stuff.... |
| 13:10:18 | ade_ | fantastic :) |
| 13:10:33 | jg_ | ade_: the really big savings also require new fonts and fixed freetype, which I don't have in hand. |
| 13:10:48 | jg_ | ade_: the two together will save about 1 megabyte (uncompressed). |
| 13:10:57 | grib | any of you guys using bash on familiar as shell? it doesn't appear to be opening any of the expected RC files on startup, wondering how to tell what's up |
| 13:11:00 | jg_ | ade_: but I don't have either in hand today. |
| 13:11:13 | ade_ | jg_: dont get me wrong i'm not complaining. i feel the unstable feed should be used as a fire pot. |
| 13:12:03 | jg_ | ade_: I'd look into the problems sooner if I didn't have the XFree86 deadline looming... |
| 13:13:01 | jg_ | ade_: but alot of people would like resizing to work on their desktops.... |
| 13:13:22 | ade_ | jg_: thats ok. we aren't in any hurry at all. XFree86 needs you way more than we deserve any attention |
| 13:13:41 | jg_ | ade_: I hope to get back to this next week... |
| 13:15:39 | ade_ | great |
| 13:17:01 | mallum | jg_: ooh are you getting randr into 'big' X ? |
| 13:17:16 | jg_ | mallum: that's what we'd like to get done the next few days... |
| 13:17:28 | jg_ | mallum: along with support for subpixel order. |
| 13:17:45 | jg_ | So the libraries can "do the right thing" about rendering fonts when you rotate. |
| 13:19:13 | jg_ | mallum: now that Keith's finished hacking "studly" cursors... |
| 13:19:30 | jg_ | mallum: (everyone should get a chance to play occasionally). |
| 13:19:55 | grib | anybody here know what .profile - type files get run by gpe-dm when it starts up? I'm trying to set up my environment properly and the menu-launcher for rxvt isn't doing a login shell... |
| 13:21:49 | ade_ | login shell ? |
| 13:22:32 | ade_ | surely if you have a rxvt you have already logged in |
| 13:22:38 | mallum | jg_: sure, I didn't really think the cursor stuff was playing ! |
| 13:24:10 | grib | ade_: login shell vs. subshell determines what .rc files the shell loads. for example bash doesn't load any .bashrc for non-login shells. |
| 13:24:28 | grib | ade_: by default rxvt does subshells, not login shells |
| 13:24:42 | ade_ | ah |
| 13:28:26 | mallum | grib: I thought bash loaded .bash_profile for a non login shell ? |
| 13:30:33 | ade_ | how much ARM dep code is in gpe\cvs ? |
| 13:30:56 | grib | mallum: me too, but it ain't, at least none of my 'exports' are getting into the environment of rxvts I launch |
| 13:32:29 | jg_ | mallum: yes and no. Having studly cursors is worth the week or so that he spent on them... |
| 13:32:55 | jg_ | mallum: but they wouldn't have been worth a month or more... |
| 13:33:16 | jg_ | mallum: I do appreciate them on my screen: they are a real improvement. |
| 13:45:39 | cmarqu_ | jg_: Are there some "new cursor" screenshots to look at? |
| 13:46:20 | jg_ | cmarqu_: Sorry, a bug in X is that you can't get the cursor in screenshots.... |
| 13:46:45 | cmarqu_ | grib: http://gpe.handhelds.org/projects/GPE-login.shtml is the doc on gpe-login/gpe-dm |
| 13:46:53 | cmarqu_ | jg_: Ah. Nevermind. |
| 13:46:56 | jg_ | cmarqu_: best you can do is to install current XFree86 CVS and look at it yourself.... |
| 13:47:11 | jg_ | They are very nice, and conform to the themable cursors spec.... |
| 13:47:30 | cmarqu_ | I could do that now, yes, since I got a new HD... |
| 13:47:47 | jg_ | also nice is that the library recognizes if you try to set a bitmap cursor, and substitutes the appropriate image, so you can theme even cursors built into legacy applications. |
| 13:48:13 | cmarqu_ | Cool. |
| 14:16:23 | pb_ | ade_: virtually none. |
| 14:16:48 | pb_ | ade_: I think you can build all the gpe applications on x86. |
| 14:17:22 | ade_ | oh good. i will hopefully slap it on a mips pda soon |
| 14:17:40 | pb_ | Ah, cool. |
| 14:18:28 | ade_ | always think its a good idea to show stuff works on other platforms |
| 14:20:45 | ade_ | need to upgrade my toolchain first i think. or i might try nfs pivot_root to a mipsel debian and do it native, slow but fun :) |
| 14:34:02 | grib | ade_: that's the way I develop for the ipaq |
| 16:03:38 | cmarqu_ | pb_: Is the suspend/resume procedure described anywhere? |
| 16:03:50 | cmarqu_ | With gpe-login, that is. |
| 16:10:34 | pb_ | cmarqu_: no, don't think so. |
| 17:02:42 | dc_ | konbanwa |
| 17:03:09 | dc_ | yay |
| 17:03:15 | dc_ | we're getting ISDN |
| 17:06:30 | dc_ | pierre: what's your matchbox theme? |
| 17:07:27 | pierre | dc_: keramic, why? |
| 17:07:35 | dc_ | in the package then? |
| 17:07:42 | dc_ | it looks cool |
| 17:08:46 | cmarqu_ | Moshi moshi |
| 17:09:09 | dc_ | hai! |
| 17:09:14 | dc_ | konbanwa cmarqu_ |
| 17:09:32 | dc_ | pierre: on that one? http://handhelds.org/scap/tojpeg.cgi?fn=land.21062.png |
| 17:09:36 | cmarqu_ | pierre: does the ownerinfo applet in gpe-conf work for you (the new one with the icon)? |
| 17:09:54 | pb_ | hey dc_ |
| 17:10:27 | pierre | dc_: yes, its keramic |
| 17:10:36 | pierre | cmarqu_: yes. |
| 17:10:42 | pierre | nice alert icon |
| 17:10:50 | cmarqu_ | pierre: Great. |
| 17:10:52 | dc_ | pb_: hey's it going? |
| 17:11:23 | pierre | I'm releasing gpe-conf_0.0.4 do you have made changes today? |
| 17:11:24 | pb_ | dc_: pretty good, any news with you? |
| 17:11:49 | cmarqu_ | pierre: No, no changes |
| 17:12:04 | dc_ | pb_: not much, just school work :/ |
| 17:12:16 | dc_ | oh an we should be getting ISDN soon I hope :] |
| 17:12:28 | pb_ | dc_: ah cool. (ISDN, not school work.) |
| 17:12:53 | dc_ | pierre: why does it look all cool and greyed out then? |
| 17:12:55 | dc_ | pb_: indeed. |
| 17:13:20 | pierre | I dont know. |
| 17:13:36 | pierre | dc_: I thought it was a matchbox bug.. |
| 17:13:38 | cmarqu_ | dc_: Do *not* complain to mallum about that :) |
| 17:13:53 | dc_ | pierre: oh. |
| 17:14:00 | dc_ | pierre: well it looks really cool : |
| 17:14:02 | dc_ | hehe |
| 17:14:07 | pb_ | cmarqu_: ah, it's not just you that isn't allowed to complain then? |
| 17:14:40 | cmarqu_ | Uhm, it was spung who is forbidden to complain |
| 17:14:45 | moray | (hopefully) finished his dissertation, btw |
| 17:14:45 | pb_ | Ah yes. |
| 17:14:50 | pb_ | moray: congratulations |
| 17:14:58 | cmarqu_ | moray: Congrats |
| 17:15:07 | pierre | :) |
| 17:15:12 | dc_ | :) |
| 17:15:13 | moray | I handed in a version this afternoon, so unless I spot a huge error it's done :) |
| 17:15:29 | moray | I still have to give a talk on it in a few days, but that shouldn't take much effort |
| 17:15:47 | moray | so hopefully I should have time again to do GPE stuff once I get things sorted out ;) |
| 17:15:52 | pb_ | yay! |
| 17:16:12 | dc_ | :) |
| 17:16:31 | dc_ | food |
| 17:16:54 | cmarqu_ | pierre: Is everything in CVS yet for the new gpe-conf? |
| 17:17:14 | pierre | cmarqu_: yes. |
| 17:17:46 | pierre | I added the scrollbox :) |
| 17:17:58 | cmarqu_ | goes to hunt typos on it then :) |
| 17:18:09 | pierre | :-p |
| 17:18:30 | cmarqu_ | pierre: Ah cool. Did you also remove it from the applets that I added it to? |
| 17:18:44 | pierre | cmarqu_: of course.. |
| 17:18:51 | moray | (off for now, bbl) |
| 17:18:59 | pierre | screen and theme |
| 17:19:10 | cmarqu_ | pierre: Perfect. |
| 17:19:50 | pierre | I just have the buf with mbcontrol now.. |
| 17:19:57 | pierre | s/buf/bug/ |
| 17:20:11 | cmarqu_ | Hmm, ownerinfo still has the scrolledwindow then... |
| 17:22:37 | pierre | o, yes, I dont touched owner-info.. |
| 17:23:14 | pierre | exept for the static function definition in the header. |
| 17:23:31 | cmarqu_ | Okay, I have it removed. |
| 17:24:41 | cmarqu_ | Another bug closed then. |
| 17:25:06 | pierre | cmarqu_: can you commit ? |
| 17:27:32 | cmarqu_ | I did. |
| 17:27:48 | pierre | nice.. |
| 17:27:50 | pierre | http://www.linuxfrench.net/article.php3?id_article=1004 |
| 17:27:51 | cmarqu_ | "Changes will take effect\nafter relog" is a bit non-optimal... |
| 17:28:05 | pierre | is seems to be a linux pda with gnome/gtk.. |
| 17:28:39 | cmarqu_ | Plus the "Do not launch at startup" was a bit frowned upon here before... |
| 17:28:55 | pierre | the screenshoot seems to show opie.. |
| 17:29:12 | cmarqu_ | Oh yeah, the Yopy... |
| 17:29:59 | pierre | gnome?? |
| 17:30:21 | cmarqu_ | I don't remember. |
| 17:30:42 | cmarqu_ | G.Mate was/is a strange company |
| 17:34:20 | gazer | looks in. |
| 17:35:26 | prpplague | cmarqu_: that they are |
| 17:36:01 | cmarqu_ | Are they still around even? |
| 17:36:09 | cmarqu_ | They sent out Spam, for instance. |
| 17:36:40 | prpplague | cmarqu_: ya they are still around, but they have pretty much dropped plans on selling anything in the US |
| 17:37:09 | cmarqu_ | Hmm. |
| 17:39:04 | pierre | http://www.handhelds.org/scap/port.27022.png |
| 17:39:52 | cmarqu_ | That's probably OPIE |
| 17:40:19 | pierre | at least fathammer on ipaq. |
| 17:40:28 | pierre | no its fathammer. |
| 17:40:33 | pierre | www.fathammer.com |
| 17:42:21 | cmarqu_ | For Qt though? |
| 17:42:37 | pierre | no, its screenbuffer. |
| 17:42:57 | pierre | fathammer is a 3d engine for PDAs. |
| 17:43:11 | pierre | I ve tested on calypso, it kicks ass.. |
| 17:44:04 | cmarqu_ | They don't sell it yet though it seems. |
| 17:44:09 | cmarqu_ | The game, that is |
| 17:44:12 | pierre | 6,7 Fps, with lots of effect, a great technology.. |
| 17:44:48 | pierre | yes, it should be an unauthorised beta version.. |
| 18:17:26 | cmarqu_ | pierre: The network applet doesn't work on my PC |
| 18:17:43 | cmarqu_ | It says: inet addr:192.168.0.200 |
| 18:17:50 | pierre | yes |
| 18:18:51 | pierre | what the prb? |
| 18:18:58 | pierre | no ppp0 ? |
| 18:19:13 | cmarqu_ | It doesn't show the ip addresses, just the labels |
| 18:19:24 | cmarqu_ | It gets the labels correctly |
| 18:21:29 | pierre | o yes, its a parsing problem, look at the code. |
| 18:21:48 | pierre | you ave to change adr to addr. |
| 18:22:38 | pierre | cause on my PC, the addr is adr ( i18n ) |
| 18:23:10 | cmarqu_ | Ah right. |
| 18:23:23 | cmarqu_ | Well, you could call ifconfig with LC_ALL=C |
| 18:23:50 | cmarqu_ | "LC_ALL=C /sbin/ifconfig" |
| 18:49:41 | pierre | cmarqu_: yes, not idiot, update if you want.. |
| 18:51:51 | cmarqu_ | Sure you checked it in? I don't get new code |
| 19:22:32 | sphx | hi, i just installed gpe, but when i boot the ipaq i get a grey screen with a cross as mouse, how to make gpe start on boot? |
| 19:24:06 | cmarqu_ | How did you install gpe? |
| 19:24:17 | sphx | ipkg install gpe |
| 19:24:26 | cmarqu_ | From unstable? |
| 19:24:40 | sphx | yes |
| 19:24:51 | cmarqu_ | Hmm. |
| 19:25:10 | sphx | well, v0.6 |
| 19:25:40 | cmarqu_ | And it's totally empty? Plain grey, or this typical X pattern? |
| 19:25:48 | cmarqu_ | Ah, v0.6 is not unstable |
| 19:26:12 | sphx | typical patern.. the grey screen and the black cross as "mouse" |
| 19:26:19 | sphx | i also installed gpe-dm |
| 19:26:35 | cmarqu_ | ipkg install gpe should have pulled that already... |
| 19:26:42 | sphx | yes, it did |
| 19:26:51 | cmarqu_ | What does ipkg status gpe-login tell you? |
| 19:26:52 | sphx | do i have to add something to init.d? |
| 19:27:18 | cmarqu_ | No, you should not. |
| 19:27:27 | sphx | that would flood, which line do you need? |
| 19:27:45 | cmarqu_ | Well, it means you have it... |
| 19:27:48 | cmarqu_ | One sec. |
| 19:28:33 | sphx | Status: install ok installed |
| 19:28:34 | sphx | yep |
| 19:28:48 | cmarqu_ | Which boot image did you get for 0.6? |
| 19:29:14 | sphx | hmm |
| 19:29:19 | sphx | how can i know? |
| 19:29:37 | sphx | Familiar v0.6-pre1 bootstrap-v06-11.jffs2 |
| 19:29:39 | sphx | i think this one |
| 19:29:44 | cmarqu_ | Ah. |
| 19:30:04 | cmarqu_ | Hmm. |
| 19:30:29 | cmarqu_ | pb_: Heeeelllppp! :) |
| 19:31:02 | sphx | what should be the normal usage? it would just ask me with a graphical login? |
| 19:31:14 | cmarqu_ | sphx: Yes. |
| 19:31:26 | sphx | ok :/ |
| 19:31:34 | cmarqu_ | Can you login remotely? |
| 19:31:44 | sphx | yes |
| 19:31:45 | cmarqu_ | Ah, you are. |
| 19:31:51 | sphx | with hyperterminal |
| 19:32:01 | gazer | hmm. anyone know who wrote gpe-todo? |
| 19:32:14 | cmarqu_ | I'm not sure what to start to get it correct. |
| 19:32:23 | pb_ | cmarqu_: wassup? |
| 19:32:30 | cmarqu_ | gazer: pb. http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org/details.phtml?package=gpe-todo |
| 19:32:35 | sphx | gpe-bootsplash this is also in my init.d |
| 19:32:44 | cmarqu_ | pb_: gpe-login doesn't come up for sphx |
| 19:32:49 | pb_ | cmarqu_: oh |
| 19:33:05 | pb_ | sphx: is gpe-dm running? |
| 19:33:24 | sphx | it should, it is in the init.d |
| 19:33:26 | gazer | ooh. ipkgfind is really useful. |
| 19:33:31 | cmarqu_ | sphx: You are in good hands now :) |
| 19:33:37 | pb_ | sphx: ok, can you start gpe-login by hand? |
| 19:34:10 | sphx | /etc/init.d/gpe-login start ? |
| 19:34:28 | sphx | no, that one is not at init.d |
| 19:34:31 | pb_ | no, just run gpe-login. |
| 19:34:42 | sphx | gpe-login: error while loading shared libraries: libgcc_s.so.1: cannot open shar |
| 19:34:42 | sphx | ed object file: No such file or directory |
| 19:34:45 | pb_ | ah. |
| 19:34:49 | pb_ | ipkg install libgcc1 |
| 19:35:02 | pb_ | I thought jamey fixed that already. |
| 19:35:12 | sphx | error |
| 19:35:30 | sphx | Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 19:35:31 | sphx | ipkg_download: |
| 19:35:34 | sphx | :/ |
| 19:35:44 | pb_ | sounds like your network is not configured right. |
| 19:35:56 | sphx | it is, i just installed some packages |
| 19:36:32 | pb_ | so, ipkg can download other packages, just not libgcc1? |
| 19:36:35 | sphx | oh oh.. one sec, reconfiguring the network :P |
| 19:36:42 | sphx | i rebooted and lost the conf |
| 19:36:47 | pb_ | :-} |
| 19:38:32 | sphx | ok, fixed, will retry to download that lib |
| 19:38:38 | cmarqu_ | pb_: Did you also see ipkg not taking versioned dependencies not into account? |
| 19:38:51 | cmarqu_ | -not |
| 19:39:25 | pb_ | Dunno. |
| 19:39:40 | cmarqu_ | Okay. |
| 19:40:17 | pb_ | I'm fairly sure I've seen it not working recently, but I'm not certain. |
| 19:40:59 | cmarqu_ | Yeah, me too... |
| 19:41:31 | sphx | yeah, now i'm downloading the lib pb_ :) |
| 19:41:37 | pb_ | ok, cool. |
| 19:41:53 | sphx | then it should work? |
| 19:43:07 | pb_ | Yes. |
| 19:43:15 | sphx | ok, will reboot then :) |
| 19:43:26 | pb_ | Just restarting gpe-dm is probably enough. |
| 19:43:39 | sphx | it's a pity ipkg misses the % when downloading :/ |
| 19:47:01 | cmarqu_ | pb_: Does gpe-lock-window make the app use all space on the screen? |
| 19:47:15 | pb_ | Gpe-login you mean? Yes, I think so. |
| 19:48:48 | cmarqu_ | pb_: gpe-ownerinfo can now be override-redirect, so I played a bit around with it. I had occasions where *it* was covering the whole screen, not gpe-login. |
| 19:48:56 | pb_ | Ah, hmm. |
| 19:49:08 | pb_ | I don't think gpe-login makes any special efforts to end up on top. |
| 19:49:30 | cmarqu_ | 2 windows with override redirect don't play well together maybe? |
| 19:49:47 | cmarqu_ | Well, gpe-ownerinfo should be on top... |
| 19:50:13 | pb_ | If ownerinfo is override redirect, it will need to set its own geometry right. |
| 19:50:19 | cmarqu_ | With gpe-login covering the whole screen. |
| 19:50:39 | cmarqu_ | Hmm. I have a defailt geometry, maybe not "strong" enough. |
| 19:51:11 | pb_ | I'm not sure what the default geometry actually does. If it's just a hint to the WM, it will be no use in this situation. |
| 19:51:28 | pb_ | Check with mallum, he probably knows. |
| 19:51:35 | cmarqu_ | Okay. |
| 19:51:53 | mallum | cmarqu_: uh whats up ? |
| 19:52:02 | cmarqu_ | I do gtk_widget_set_usize and gtk_widget_set_uposition. |
| 19:52:12 | cmarqu_ | mallum: Well... a long story. |
| 19:52:26 | grib | anybody know where gpe-appmgr gets its prefs for icons in the tab labels? I can't find the "categories" menu def, if there is such a thing |
| 19:52:35 | mallum | cmarqu_: what are you trying to do ? |
| 19:52:45 | moray | there are icons called group_Whatever.png |
| 19:53:21 | grib | moray: ok, thanks |
| 19:53:25 | cmarqu_ | mallum: for screen locking, I want gpe-login to cover the whole screen (which it does). Then, gpe-ownerinfo should be above gpe-login. |
| 19:53:36 | cmarqu_ | Both apps are override-redirect. |
| 19:54:03 | cmarqu_ | I do gtk_widget_set_usize and gtk_widget_set_uposition for gpe-ownerinfo. |
| 19:55:12 | mallum | cmarqu_: set the window position and then map raised ? |
| 19:55:13 | cmarqu_ | Yet, I had an occasion where gpe-ownerinfo was covering the whole screen. leaving no room for gpe-login to "look through" (which it should do with the useize and uposition settings). |
| 19:55:32 | cmarqu_ | mallum: xlib calls? |
| 19:56:01 | mallum | cmarqu_: there must be gdk equivalents |
| 19:56:15 | cmarqu_ | I'm not sure if maybe gpe-lock-window was telling gpe-ownerinfo to make itself fullscreen... it was late. |
| 19:56:17 | sphx | that's a long lib.. |
| 19:56:29 | cmarqu_ | mallum: Okay, I'll try to find them. |
| 19:57:46 | cmarqu_ | mallum: Thanks. I might need to get back to you on this though :) |
| 19:58:12 | mallum | cmarqu_: okey, np |
| 19:58:25 | pb_ | sphx: what, it's still downloading libgcc1? It's only about a 20k file. |
| 19:59:47 | sphx | really? |
| 19:59:57 | sphx | Downloading http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.6-pre1/base/armv4 |
| 19:59:57 | sphx | l/libgcc1_3.1.1-1_arm.ipk |
| 20:00:02 | sphx | how strange |
| 20:00:18 | pb_ | -rw-r--r-- 1 apache proj_fam 11191 Aug 4 09:56 libgcc1_3.1.1-1_arm.ipk |
| 20:00:28 | pb_ | I was wrong, it's 11k. :-} |
| 20:01:02 | sphx | lol |
| 20:01:23 | sphx | ipkg update works fine.. it should download that lib too |
| 20:01:40 | pb_ | weird. |
| 20:01:41 | adrian__ | lo all |
| 20:01:47 | sphx | hi ade |
| 20:01:51 | pb_ | I think you can say something like "-verbose-wget" to get, er, verbose wget output. |
| 20:02:09 | sphx | i'll try.. |
| 20:02:21 | sphx | Updated list of available packages in /usr/lib/.. |
| 20:02:23 | sphx | that worked :/ |
| 20:02:27 | pb_ | mmm, might just be "verbose-get", no w. |
| 20:03:31 | ade | is this BB's wget ? |
| 20:03:50 | sphx | /etc/init.d # ipkg install libgcc1 -verbose_wget |
| 20:03:50 | sphx | ipkg version 0.99.3 |
| 20:03:51 | sphx | ? |
| 20:04:27 | pb_ | try "--verbose-get" |
| 20:04:41 | ade | is busybox compiled with wget status bar ? |
| 20:04:45 | pb_ | I never really understood ipkg's option parsing. |
| 20:04:51 | pb_ | ade: no idea |
| 20:05:25 | pb_ | sphx: you could check with jamey in #hh.org, he's the man for ipkg. |
| 20:05:31 | ade | sorry i joined this partway through, what is the problem ? |
| 20:05:39 | sphx | is it posible to download thta lib via http and install with xmodem? |
| 20:05:59 | ade | yes |
| 20:06:01 | sphx | verbose worked, but i got no putput neither :/ |
| 20:06:10 | sphx | ade: i use ipkg install libgcc1 |
| 20:06:19 | sphx | but it just gets like "hanged" |
| 20:06:28 | sphx | while ipkg update or upgrade works fine |
| 20:06:44 | sphx | wget: Temporary failure in name resolution: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 20:07:00 | ade | download it from ipkgfind website bit, copy it to your ipaq, and install it |
| 20:07:02 | sphx | i instaled gpe-su right now and worked :? |
| 20:07:25 | sphx | ipkgfind website? |
| 20:08:08 | ade | hh.org links to it, fast way to get to the right feed/ipkg file |
| 20:08:21 | cmarqu_ | Ha, doesn't this "!" icon look cool?: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.25099.png |
| 20:08:46 | ade | nice |
| 20:08:51 | cmarqu_ | :) |
| 20:09:18 | ade | what you got on your dock? |
| 20:09:19 | mallum | thats a gorilla one isn't it ? |
| 20:09:41 | cmarqu_ | mallum: I think so, yes. The one the use in the GNome HIG document. |
| 20:09:54 | sphx | got the file, how to transfer it to ipaq? |
| 20:10:03 | ade | scp ? |
| 20:10:12 | cmarqu_ | ade: It's not my screenshot, but it's gpe-appmgrs "Recent apps" bar |
| 20:10:25 | ade | oh right |
| 20:10:25 | sphx | libgcc_s.so.1 is this the name it should have? |
| 20:10:42 | ade | erm the ipkg? |
| 20:11:02 | ade | did you get the ipkg or just the file ? |
| 20:11:16 | sphx | the file.. i used the find website u told me |
| 20:11:35 | ade | ah, sorry i wasn't clear on that. |
| 20:11:49 | ade | you need the ipkg, not the file |
| 20:12:11 | cmarqu_ | Oh. I never noticed that you can get the single files from ipkgfind... |
| 20:12:15 | cmarqu_ | Cool. |
| 20:12:17 | pb_ | well, just the file will do. |
| 20:12:28 | sphx | ade: how do i get the ipkg? |
| 20:12:36 | ade | you should be able to download the ipkg, first link down the webpage |
| 20:12:41 | ade | i think |
| 20:12:41 | cmarqu_ | sphx: on the top, "Download" |
| 20:12:52 | ade | best to get the ipkg |
| 20:13:26 | ade | so that if you ever upgrade it, ipkg will do it cleanly :) |
| 20:14:40 | sphx | k, got the ipkg |
| 20:14:49 | sphx | can i cp it to the ipaq using ssh? |
| 20:15:19 | ade | yup scp its called |
| 20:16:55 | sphx | scp c:\file ? |
| 20:18:03 | sphx | scp root@ipaq c:\ligcc1_3.1.1-1_arm.ipk |
| 20:18:20 | sphx | hm |
| 20:18:27 | ade | and a destination |
| 20:19:08 | sphx | like this? # scp c:\ligcc1_3.1.1-1_arm.ipk /root |
| 20:19:21 | sphx | ssh: c: Name or service not known |
| 20:19:51 | dc_ | hey |
| 20:19:58 | mallum | pb_: I have a question for you re bit masks etc ... |
| 20:19:59 | dc_ | you guys been watching the WTC doco? |
| 20:20:02 | mallum | dc_: word |
| 20:20:09 | mallum | dc_: yeah, grim wasn't it ... |
| 20:20:15 | mallum | dc_: watching scarface now |
| 20:20:21 | dc_ | indeed. |
| 20:20:25 | dc_ | I've given up on it... |
| 20:20:54 | pb_ | dc_: yeah, I watched the first half. |
| 20:21:01 | pb_ | mallum: at your service |
| 20:21:09 | ade | scp root@ipaq libgcc.... /var/ |
| 20:21:11 | dc_ | ooh, maplin seel aluminium cases for PRIVMSG #gpe :so what's up now? |
| 20:21:30 | sphx | cp: root@ipaq: No such file or directory |
| 20:22:11 | pb_ | sphx: need more colons |
| 20:22:34 | ade | scp not cp |
| 20:22:57 | sphx | ~ # scp root@ipaq c:\libgcc1_3.1.1-1_arm.ipk /root |
| 20:22:57 | sphx | cp: root@ipaq: No such file or directory |
| 20:22:57 | sphx | ssh: c: Name or service not known |
| 20:23:34 | ade | get winscp and use that if you like |
| 20:23:51 | ade | easy gui for scp |
| 20:24:09 | sphx | ok, will try |
| 20:24:17 | cmarqu_ | scp "c:\libgcc1_3.1.1-1_arm.ipk" root@ipaq:~ |
| 20:25:36 | sphx | ssh: c: Name or service not known |
| 20:25:43 | sphx | they don't want me to use gpe lol ;) |
| 20:26:18 | cmarqu_ | Not sure how to quote out that c: thing in windows. Get Linux on your desktop :) |
| 20:26:25 | grib | ok, so why would gpe-appmgr not show any tabs? |
| 20:26:40 | pb_ | perhaps just select c: as current directory, and do "scp libgcc1..." |
| 20:26:56 | grib | I downgraded xlibs to the 0.6 version, which fixed my window title problems, but gpe-appmgr is still b0rked |
| 20:27:04 | pb_ | grib: I think that's a long-standing bug in appmgr, nothing to do with xlibs. |
| 20:27:09 | sphx | wow, winscp did the trick :) |
| 20:27:12 | pierre | mallum: ~ # mbcontrol -t /usr/share/matchbox/themes/greeno |
| 20:27:12 | pierre | ~ # echo $? |
| 20:27:12 | pierre | 1 |
| 20:27:12 | pierre | is this normal ? |
| 20:27:13 | sphx | how do i install it? :P |
| 20:27:27 | pb_ | sphx: ipkg install <filename> |
| 20:27:33 | sphx | ok |
| 20:27:52 | grib | pb_: hm, ok. is there any workaround that you know of? |
| 20:28:07 | sphx | Installing libgcc1 (3.1.1-1) |
| 20:28:07 | sphx | Configuring libgcc1...Done |
| 20:28:07 | sphx | ~ # gpe-dm |
| 20:28:17 | sphx | nothign happened |
| 20:28:27 | mallum | pb_: As I understand it , In a X visual struct are unsigned long plane masks which represent what bits of a pixel are R G or B |
| 20:28:36 | pb_ | pierre: looks like it, mbcontrol.c ends with "return 1" :-} |
| 20:28:42 | pb_ | sphx: did you kill the old gpe-dm first? |
| 20:29:04 | sphx | no |
| 20:29:11 | pb_ | sphx: you can't run two of them at once. |
| 20:29:15 | pierre | pb_: this is not the correct behavior.. |
| 20:29:21 | sphx | but, it gave me an error |
| 20:29:24 | sphx | i think it's not up |
| 20:29:55 | mallum | pb_: eg so a red_mask could look like 00000111 ( if only 8 bits though for simsplity ) |
| 20:30:02 | pb_ | mallum: right |
| 20:30:06 | pb_ | sphx: try rebooting |
| 20:30:09 | sphx | ok |
| 20:30:12 | mallum | pierre: I will change it to return 0 |
| 20:30:46 | pierre | mallum: nice.. then gpe-conf will stop complain.. |
| 20:31:02 | sphx | gpe 0.0 firestarter |
| 20:31:06 | sphx | wooow, it worked |
| 20:31:14 | sphx | thanks a lot pb_ and cmarqu_ |
| 20:31:39 | mallum | pb_: I need to run that mask against a pixel value to find out what bits represent the color component so I can build up an rgba[] array , play with it, and then turn it back into a XImage |
| 20:32:09 | ade | sphx: welcome to the gpe world :) |
| 20:32:12 | pierre | sphx: welcome to gpe.. |
| 20:32:49 | dc_ | rolls out the re carpet |
| 20:32:57 | mallum | pb_: is the way to do it with bit shifts rather than logical ops ? |
| 20:33:06 | sphx | how do i close the "Programs" windows? |
| 20:33:22 | ade | you dont |
| 20:33:27 | ade | :) |
| 20:33:32 | sphx | so where's the menu? |
| 20:33:36 | pb_ | mallum: mmm, I guess so. |
| 20:34:08 | pb_ | mallum: I suppose you need to convert each mask value into a shift/mask pair, so you can do: |
| 20:34:18 | pb_ | r[i] = (pixel >> red_shift) & red_mask; |
| 20:34:18 | pb_ | etc |
| 20:34:26 | gazer | so how does one set the window size for a gpe app? |
| 20:34:38 | sphx | great |
| 20:34:42 | pb_ | gazer: in what situation? |
| 20:34:46 | sphx | thanks |
| 20:34:56 | mallum | pb_: yeah thats what I was thinking |
| 20:35:18 | gazer | so the app I'm writing is coming up very small, and when I resize it, the drawable area doesn't extend to the full size of the window. |
| 20:35:26 | gazer | hmm, actually, the problem might be in the box packing. |
| 20:35:35 | mallum | pb_: and I can calculate the shift by counting the 0's up to the first 1 ? |
| 20:35:42 | pb_ | mallum: yep. |
| 20:37:30 | gazer | ooh. it was a box packing issue. much better. |
| 20:37:33 | mallum | pb_: ooh, but will I have to shift the mask as well ? |
| 20:37:54 | pb_ | mallum: not if you mask before shifting |
| 20:38:04 | pb_ | mallum: ie r[i] = (pixel & red_mask) >> red_shift; |
| 20:38:25 | mallum | pb_: ah, of course |
| 20:38:25 | pb_ | mallum: makes no difference either way, really. |
| 20:39:30 | pb_ | mallum: how much did you pay for your 3100 by the way? |
| 20:41:02 | mallum | pb_: approx 100 quid |
| 20:41:11 | mallum | pb_: problem is, the screens are awful on them |
| 20:41:36 | mallum | pb_: I just found out Im unemployed at the end of next week again so I may sell mine |
| 20:41:52 | pb_ | mallum: hell, PHP work dried up? |
| 20:43:01 | mallum | pb_: fortunatly yes ;), unfortunatly so will the money :( |
| 20:43:10 | pb_ | :-/ |
| 20:43:21 | mallum | pb_: still I totally hated it there |
| 20:43:39 | pb_ | mallum: everyone else better at quake than you or something? |
| 20:43:42 | mallum | pb_: and was getting paid peanuts / hate php |
| 20:43:47 | mallum | pb_: heh ;) |
| 20:44:03 | pb_ | mallum: mmm, does sound pretty bad on all counts. |
| 20:44:14 | mallum | pb_: I had to stop playing quake cos my poor machine was too slow with lots of people playing |
| 20:44:23 | pb_ | ah. |
| 20:57:04 | PaxAnima | mallum, the quake lamer ;) |
| 20:57:39 | pierre | mallum: while you are corecting mb bugs, can you please make it display the correct windows title? |
| 20:57:43 | ade | q1,2,3? |
| 20:58:06 | pb_ | pierre: the <unnamed> thing is an xlibs bug, not matchbox's fault |
| 20:58:19 | pierre | pb_: arg ! |
| 20:58:36 | pierre | pb_: is it beiing solved? |
| 20:58:52 | pierre | it is quite anoying.. |
| 20:59:24 | pierre | and the scap don't look serious.. |
| 20:59:41 | pb_ | pierre: talk to jg |
| 20:59:52 | pierre | jg/ |
| 20:59:55 | pierre | ? |
| 21:00:02 | pierre | jamey? |
| 21:00:02 | dc_ | the X haxor |
| 21:00:06 | dc_ | jg |
| 21:00:26 | cmarqu_ | The X Überhax0r |
| 21:01:04 | pierre | ok. |
| 21:06:13 | pierre | ok gpe-conf_0.0.4 in unstable in 10mins. |
| 21:06:25 | pierre | users setup and less and less bugs.. |
| 21:06:28 | pb_ | cool. |
| 21:07:15 | pierre | we may think launching gpe-conf users at first boot.. |
| 21:08:52 | cmarqu_ | Well, they just set up a new user in gpe-login, so I guess they don't need to do things in gpe-conf users at that point. |
| 21:09:22 | dc_ | okay I need some sleep |
| 21:09:23 | dc_ | now |
| 21:09:23 | dc_ | :) |
| 21:09:26 | dc_ | night guys. |
| 21:09:27 | pb_ | dc_: night |
| 21:09:27 | cmarqu_ | dc_: Night |
| 21:09:33 | pierre | this avoid duplicate code.. |
| 21:09:33 | dc_ | talk later, work eeds to be done :\ |
| 21:09:44 | PaxAnima | night dc_ |
| 21:09:45 | pierre | managing /etcpasswd |
| 21:09:55 | dc_ | night cmarqu_, pb_, pierre and PaxAnima :) |
| 21:10:02 | pierre | hi. |
| 21:10:30 | cmarqu_ | pierre: Ah, instead of doing it in gpe-login... Yeah. That's an idea... |
| 21:10:52 | cmarqu_ | It annoyed people that they were *forced* to add a non-root user. |
| 21:11:36 | PaxAnima | I never use my "petter" user... the setup for that user is kinda screwed up |
| 21:11:37 | pierre | yes, we offer the possibility to change the root passwd at first startup, and to create an user.. |
| 21:11:38 | pb_ | Yeah, but people are dumb. |
| 21:11:49 | cmarqu_ | pierre: Can we maybe make gpe-conf display a certain page, but *with* the tree view? |
| 21:12:07 | pierre | no. |
| 21:12:20 | cmarqu_ | Well, not right now, but in a future version... |
| 21:12:25 | pierre | its is not possible now I mean |
| 21:12:45 | pierre | I dont see the real use.. |
| 21:12:51 | mallum | pierre: BTW, idealy you should look at the source of how mbcontrol works and change the theme that way rather than relying on mbcontrol |
| 21:13:45 | pierre | mallum: I try when it is possible to use helpers, avoiding duplicate code.. |
| 21:14:01 | pierre | mallum: of course I could do lot of thing on my own.. |
| 21:14:20 | mallum | pierre: its about 3 lines of code |
| 21:14:34 | pierre | mallum: oh, yes? |
| 21:14:53 | pierre | I dont have matchbox source can you send me here? |
| 21:14:58 | mallum | pierre: well maybe a few more but not many |
| 21:15:01 | | i guess matchbox is a X11 window manager for handheld devices. Info, screenshots & downloadable at http://handhelds.org/~mallum/matchbox . Ipkg is in the familiar unstable feed. Development versions and other goodies at http://handhelds.org/~mallum/downloadables/ |
| 21:15:01 | mallum | ibot: matchbox |
| 21:15:10 | cmarqu_ | pierre: It would also be nice of that file selector could select a file by default, not just a directory. |
| 21:16:13 | pierre | cmarqu_: I dont understand, what file selector? theme? |
| 21:16:42 | cmarqu_ | And gpe-conf should proactively disallow user from changin certain things by making them insensitive, not complain later with a dialog. |
| 21:16:52 | pierre | cmarqu_: theme are in /usr/share/matchbox, and should not be in another place.. |
| 21:17:09 | cmarqu_ | pierre: the file selector I use for selecting the user photo |
| 21:17:19 | cmarqu_ | Or the wallpaper. |
| 21:17:47 | pierre | cmarqu_: it is libgpewidget one. |
| 21:18:04 | pierre | cmarqu_: I just added some simpler interface. |
| 21:18:15 | cmarqu_ | Ah. |
| 21:18:30 | cmarqu_ | So maybe the capability is there. I'll take a look. |
| 21:19:46 | pierre | I agree clicking on OK when the slected item is a directory should go to that directory. |
| 21:20:12 | cmarqu_ | Ah, that too, yes. |
| 21:23:04 | pierre | I look at it. |
| 21:23:50 | cmarqu_ | There is small stuff in gpe-conf I want to work on. Like making "get time from network" insensitive when we have no network interfaces up |
| 21:24:15 | pierre | pb_: I should make set_directory public and rename it gtk_mini_file_selection_set_directory() |
| 21:24:39 | pierre | cmarqu_: good idea. |
| 21:25:18 | pierre | cmarqu_: until now, my goal was to implement features, that work well. |
| 21:25:23 | pb_ | pierre: hmm, be careful, it may be better to make a wrapper that does the strdup. |
| 21:25:24 | cmarqu_ | Sure. |
| 21:25:59 | pierre | pb_: ok. |
| 21:26:50 | pb_ | pierre: it sounds ok in principle though. |
| 21:27:13 | pierre | do you want a patch? |
| 21:27:25 | pb_ | yes, please. |
| 21:28:11 | cmarqu_ | pierre: so you do the new stuff, I make the tweaks :) |
| 21:29:38 | pierre | tweaks ? (sorry for my english :) ) |
| 21:29:51 | cmarqu_ | pierre: small changes like the described ones |
| 21:30:35 | pierre | cmarqu_: ah yes, if you want.. :) |
| 21:31:23 | gazer | hmm, so to get my data on the window when I first start, I need to manually resize it. Any one know if there is a well-known gotcha I might be stepping in? |
| 21:32:07 | cmarqu_ | no gtk_widget_show() for the main window? |
| 21:32:20 | cmarqu_ | But no... |
| 21:32:43 | gazer | no, the window comes up, and it hits the expose callback, it just doesn't show anything. |
| 21:33:59 | cmarqu_ | Hmm. I don't know. |
| 21:34:08 | cmarqu_ | gpe-filemanager is very cute. |
| 21:34:48 | pb_ | Indeed. |
| 21:35:33 | cmarqu_ | This dc guy must have an IQ of 200. I wihs I could do stuff like that. |
| 21:37:07 | pb_ | Yeah, dc is my hero. |
| 21:37:37 | flypiper | I agree dc rules :-) |
| 21:37:47 | cmarqu_ | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.5803.png |
| 21:41:08 | cmarqu_ | pb_: BTW, Dilb offered his help in case we want to use tremor for gpe-nmf. He said that he and N. Pitre are working together on tremor now/soon, so this is the way to go |
| 21:41:21 | pb_ | Cool. |
| 21:42:41 | cmarqu_ | Hell. the mailing lists are behaving strage for me. |
| 21:42:49 | mallum | pb_: what does bind_textdomain_codeset (GETTEXT_PACKAGE, "UTF-8"); do ? |
| 21:42:51 | pb_ | Strange in what way? |
| 21:42:57 | cmarqu_ | I see replies before the initial post. |
| 21:43:01 | pb_ | Oh. |
| 21:43:30 | pb_ | mallum: says that you want to use messages from the GETTEXT_PACKAGE domain and UTF-8 encoding, I guess. |
| 21:43:38 | cmarqu_ | Just now, I got that initial post about tux-48, and was shocked again |
| 21:43:43 | pb_ | Ha. |
| 21:44:03 | pb_ | The mailing lists were doing that for me at one time, but they seem to be better now. |
| 21:44:09 | cmarqu_ | pb_: It's all your fault!!!1! |
| 21:44:19 | cmarqu_ | ;) |
| 21:44:21 | pb_ | Most things do seem to be. |
| 21:44:36 | gazer | d'oh! |
| 21:44:43 | gazer | HATES C. |
| 21:44:48 | pb_ | cmarqu_: hmm, here's a thing. |
| 21:45:05 | mallum | pb_: okey, I have to read up on all this i18n stuff ... |
| 21:45:16 | pb_ | cmarqu_: if you have a vcard that just says "TEL;PREF:01392494283" - or worse, just "TEL:"..., which tag should that map to in the database? |
| 21:45:17 | gazer | any sensible langauge should have variables initialized on creation. |
| 21:45:59 | cmarqu_ | pb_: Eeek. |
| 21:46:27 | pb_ | cmarqu_: Clearly there is the same problem for addresses too, both postal and email varieties. |
| 21:47:07 | pb_ | cmarqu_: It's not entirely an academic question, because this is what my Nokia phone produces when I ask it to send a vcard. |
| 21:47:12 | cmarqu_ | Maybe we need a bunch generic tags then... :/ |
| 21:47:28 | pb_ | Mmmf. |
| 21:47:42 | cmarqu_ | Or make it configurable. business/home/ask |
| 21:47:56 | pb_ | Yeah, that might be better. |
| 21:48:00 | cmarqu_ | ask on 100 sets of data is ugly of course. |
| 21:48:21 | pb_ | I'll give the matter some more thought. |
| 21:48:25 | cmarqu_ | ask could have an option for "make the rest home" |
| 21:48:59 | pb_ | Yeah. |
| 21:49:31 | cmarqu_ | I *think* I now remember that this Netscape address book had generic and specific fields though. |
| 21:49:52 | cmarqu_ | But I need to go to bed now. |
| 21:49:57 | cmarqu_ | Night all. |
| 21:50:20 | pb_ | Night |
| 21:52:00 | mallum | gnight |
| 23:34:26 | PaxAnima | tamtida |
