| 00:24:28 | dc_ | morning |
| 00:26:46 | prpplague | dc_: morning |
| 00:28:14 | dc_ | prpplague: hey |
| 00:28:19 | dc_ | prpplague: seen gpe-filemamanger yet ;)? |
| 00:29:41 | prpplague | dc_: no, i've been working on a fltk version of gpe |
| 00:29:59 | prpplague | dc_: been having a knockdown-dragout fight with mb today |
| 00:30:21 | dc_ | omg |
| 00:30:27 | dc_ | prpplague: mb? |
| 00:31:09 | dc_ | prpplague: I'm not sure if fltk would really work for gpe... |
| 00:31:24 | dc_ | prpplague: what's your current staus on it? |
| 00:32:11 | prpplague | dc_: on mb(matchbox) or the fltk? |
| 00:34:13 | dc_ | fltk |
| 00:35:13 | prpplague | dc_: got some basic stuff, appmanager, address book, |
| 00:35:36 | dc_ | prpplague: got alpha images? |
| 00:35:36 | prpplague | dc_: i'm using the viper project as code refernce http://www.tuxia.org/viper |
| 00:35:45 | prpplague | dc_: no not at this time |
| 00:37:16 | prpplague | dc_: i'm still working on the whole concept |
| 00:37:22 | dc_ | :] |
| 00:37:23 | dc_ | bbl |
| 00:37:58 | prpplague | ok |
| 00:58:42 | dc_ | :] |
| 10:23:38 | dc_ | yay |
| 10:23:52 | dc_ | gpe-filemanager can now browse properly :) |
| 10:24:22 | PaxAnima | maybe give it a try then... ;) |
| 10:24:28 | dc_ | :) |
| 10:24:30 | dc_ | please do! |
| 10:24:35 | dc_ | it's really cool :D |
| 10:24:41 | PaxAnima | didn't someone here have a script for converting a deb to ipkg? |
| 10:24:43 | cmarqu | Hi dc_ |
| 10:24:49 | dc_ | cmarqu: hey man!\ |
| 10:24:54 | dc_ | cmarqu: you at home now? |
| 10:25:07 | cmarqu | dc_: Yeah. Will try gpe-filemanager |
| 10:25:23 | dc_ | thanks |
| 10:25:33 | dc_ | any of you got a cross copmiler ? |
| 10:25:38 | cmarqu | No :/ |
| 10:25:47 | dc_ | I'd really like to have it on my iPAQ before I catch my plane back to the UK tomrrrow |
| 10:25:49 | dc_ | :] |
| 10:26:10 | cmarqu | Oh, you are going back... |
| 10:27:06 | PaxAnima | dc_: gcc on ipaq or crosscompiling on another plattform? |
| 10:27:27 | dc_ | either |
| 10:27:40 | dc_ | just as long as it runs on arm |
| 10:27:42 | dc_ | cmarqu: yep |
| 10:28:29 | PaxAnima | dc_: working on finding what debs I need to set up a gtk dev. system on my ipaq now... you'll find gcc on Dragon feed, but the rest you need to get from debian |
| 10:28:34 | cmarqu | dc_: Good lfight then, before I forget :) |
| 10:30:24 | dc_ | cmarqu: thanks |
| 10:30:26 | dc_ | PaxAnima: ahh |
| 10:30:33 | dc_ | PaxAnima: maby just install intimate? |
| 10:30:43 | dc_ | PaxAnima: or even ipk can handle debs I think! |
| 10:30:46 | PaxAnima | it won't fit on my 128mb CF card |
| 10:31:13 | PaxAnima | dc_: yes, ipkg handles ipkg, but it doesn't show me the depencies of the deb |
| 10:31:32 | PaxAnima | I guess I need to get the debs rather than the ipkg to get it working |
| 10:32:02 | dc_ | yeahhh |
| 10:32:24 | PaxAnima | is there a way to tell ipkg "Install the damn package, ignore the dependencies"? |
| 10:32:45 | dc_ | yeah |
| 10:32:48 | dc_ | ipkg --help |
| 10:32:49 | dc_ | :] |
| 10:33:35 | PaxAnima | ARGH!!!! |
| 10:33:47 | PaxAnima | X sometimes just restarts |
| 10:33:54 | PaxAnima | for no good reason |
| 10:34:45 | BBrox | Well, usually X restarts when the last client exists |
| 10:34:49 | BBrox | exits |
| 10:35:37 | PaxAnima | I had a lot of windows open |
| 10:36:36 | PaxAnima | I have ctrl+alt on a lot of the shortkeyes (default in icewm), but it's not aproblem on my laptop, so it must be my system |
| 10:36:37 | dc_ | :] |
| 10:36:52 | dc_ | okay, just about to upload the latest gpe-filemanager stuff |
| 10:38:26 | mallum | hey dc |
| 10:38:46 | mallum | hey BBrox, PaxAnima, cmarqu |
| 10:39:46 | dc_ | mallum: hey! |
| 10:39:56 | dc_ | mallum: you get an arm gpe enviorment setup right? |
| 10:40:16 | PaxAnima | hey mallum |
| 10:40:19 | mallum | dc_: how do you mean ? |
| 10:40:59 | dc_ | mallum: could you make me an ipk of gpe-filemanager ;)? |
| 10:41:07 | dc_ | mallum: I gotta lave on the plane tomorrow! |
| 10:41:09 | dc_ | :] |
| 10:41:52 | mallum | dc_: um, I'll try ... give me a little bit |
| 10:42:06 | mallum | dc_: you have usbnet working with 0.6pre ? |
| 10:42:14 | dc_ | mallum: yeah |
| 10:42:23 | dc_ | mallum: I can send you my scripts if you like |
| 10:43:02 | mallum | dc_: yeah that'd be helpful |
| 10:43:11 | mallum | dc_: it used to work for me :( |
| 10:45:52 | mallum | dc_: also does su work for you ? |
| 10:46:30 | dc_ | ~ $ su root |
| 10:46:31 | dc_ | su: This applet requires root priviledges! |
| 10:46:33 | dc_ | haha |
| 10:46:35 | PaxAnima | I think I'll give up setting up gtk+ dev on my ipaq... when I try to install any debs it tries to get busybox and fails.... |
| 10:47:01 | dc_ | mallum: DCC? |
| 10:47:24 | dc_ | mallum: or 10am.com? |
| 10:48:05 | cmarqu | 10.am :) |
| 10:48:25 | mallum | dc_: DCC is fine, I got it BTW |
| 10:48:41 | mallum | dc_: where;d you put the file ? in init.d ? |
| 10:48:53 | dc_ | yep |
| 10:49:23 | dc_ | then the other go in /etc/resume-scripts and /etc/suspend-scripts |
| 10:49:39 | dc_ | mallum: you'll probly want to edit usbnet for your network :] |
| 10:50:11 | mallum | dc_: before I just had an entry in /etc/network/interfaces and that worked fine |
| 10:50:19 | dc_ | :/// |
| 10:50:29 | mallum | dc_: it looks like with that I have to 'start' it for it to work ? |
| 10:50:52 | dc_ | yeah |
| 10:51:01 | dc_ | or link to /etc/rc2.d |
| 10:51:20 | dc_ | and it's good because you can reset it by suspending and resuming |
| 10:51:30 | mallum | dc_: yeah I had that too |
| 10:51:38 | wizly | hi |
| 10:51:49 | mallum | dc_: so su dont work for you either ? |
| 10:52:06 | dc_ | mallum: yeah, it sucks. |
| 10:52:10 | dc_ | wizly: hey! |
| 10:52:20 | dc_ | wizly: checkout the new gpe-filemanager goodies in cvs! |
| 10:52:29 | dc_ | wizly: you can actualy use it as a filemanager now ;D |
| 10:52:29 | mallum | dc_: yeah I want my old ipaq setup back :( |
| 10:52:35 | dc_ | mallum: :[ |
| 10:52:38 | wizly | mmm i just update cvs... |
| 10:52:54 | wizly | and one alert window saying : no such column: name |
| 10:53:05 | dc_ | rm ~/.gpe/mime_types |
| 10:53:06 | dc_ | ;) |
| 10:53:08 | dc_ | hehe |
| 10:53:10 | wizly | yea... |
| 10:53:10 | dc_ | again |
| 10:53:10 | wizly | mmm |
| 10:53:16 | wizly | now segmentation fault |
| 10:53:16 | dc_ | fix it? |
| 10:53:22 | dc_ | bah |
| 10:53:24 | dc_ | no way.. |
| 10:53:25 | dc_ | :{ |
| 10:53:31 | dc_ | wizly: on what. |
| 10:53:41 | wizly | i rm ~/.gpe/* |
| 10:53:46 | wizly | then gpe-filemanager |
| 10:53:48 | wizly | and.. |
| 10:53:53 | wizly | ... |
| 10:53:54 | wizly | -- |
| 10:53:54 | wizly | SQL > mime_name: font/ttf |
| 10:53:54 | wizly | SQL > extension: ttf |
| 10:53:54 | wizly | -- |
| 10:53:54 | wizly | -- |
| 10:53:55 | wizly | SQL > mime_name: image/png |
| 10:53:58 | wizly | SQL > extension: png |
| 10:54:03 | wizly | -- |
| 10:54:06 | wizly | -- |
| 10:54:08 | wizly | SQL > mime_name: text/html |
| 10:54:09 | dc_ | yep |
| 10:54:09 | wizly | SQL > extension: html |
| 10:54:11 | wizly | -- |
| 10:54:15 | wizly | Segmentation fault |
| 10:54:17 | wizly | (sorry for flood) |
| 10:54:23 | dc_ | hrmf.. |
| 10:54:25 | dc_ | weird... |
| 10:54:36 | dc_ | make clean and all? |
| 10:54:49 | wizly | mm |
| 10:54:51 | wizly | make install |
| 10:54:52 | wizly | wait |
| 10:55:05 | wizly | same segmentation fault |
| 10:55:34 | mallum | Anyone think of an X app that has a little hand cursor ? |
| 10:55:54 | dc_ | xmonobut..? |
| 10:55:57 | dc_ | :/ |
| 10:56:00 | dc_ | wizly: hrmo |
| 10:56:10 | dc_ | wizly: can you try running it as a different user... |
| 10:56:16 | wizly | mmm |
| 10:56:19 | wizly | as root |
| 10:56:21 | wizly | wait |
| 10:56:44 | wizly | user root -> same segmentation fault |
| 10:56:44 | wizly | mmm |
| 10:56:48 | wizly | i must upgrade any library? |
| 10:57:06 | cmarqu | BTW, I think all error messages shown in a GTK error box should also be printed to stderr, so that one can easily copy and paste them. |
| 10:57:52 | dc_ | wizly: maby.. |
| 10:57:58 | dc_ | cmarqu: yeah |
| 10:58:17 | dc_ | wizly: do you have gdb installed? |
| 10:58:23 | cmarqu | dc_: I get: Unable to load icon "/usr/local/share/pixmaps/gpe/gpe-filemanager.png" (had to type it by hand) |
| 10:58:49 | wizly | dc_: no, sorry |
| 10:58:59 | cmarqu | dc_: Ooops, forget that/ |
| 10:59:27 | dc_ | :/ |
| 10:59:28 | dc_ | :] |
| 10:59:30 | dc_ | make install |
| 10:59:31 | dc_ | ?\ |
| 10:59:40 | cmarqu | dc_: Yeah, that was it :) |
| 10:59:41 | cmarqu | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. |
| 10:59:41 | cmarqu | 0x401e41c8 in g_printf_string_upper_bound () from /usr/lib/libglib-1.2.so.0 |
| 10:59:59 | dc_ | what's before that cmarqu? |
| 11:00:01 | cmarqu | I get that now, since it shows my home, and that has lots of files. |
| 11:00:07 | dc_ | cmarqu: need some line numbers ;} |
| 11:00:08 | cmarqu | SQL > mime_name: image/png |
| 11:00:12 | cmarqu | SQL > extension: png |
| 11:00:13 | cmarqu | -- |
| 11:00:13 | cmarqu | -- |
| 11:00:13 | cmarqu | SQL > mime_name: text/html |
| 11:00:13 | cmarqu | SQL > extension: html |
| 11:00:13 | cmarqu | -- |
| 11:00:20 | dc_ | all that stuff |
| 11:00:20 | cmarqu | #0 0x401e41c8 in g_printf_string_upper_bound () from /usr/lib/libglib-1.2.so.0 |
| 11:00:20 | cmarqu | #1 0x401e39e0 in g_strdup_vprintf () from /usr/lib/libglib-1.2.so.0 |
| 11:00:20 | cmarqu | #2 0x401e3a26 in g_strdup_printf () from /usr/lib/libglib-1.2.so.0 |
| 11:00:20 | cmarqu | #3 0x804c05b in main (argc=1, argv=0xbffff9e4) at main.c:792 |
| 11:00:21 | cmarqu | #4 0x403280bf in __libc_start_main () from /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 11:00:50 | cmarqu | It comes up fine though, but then it hits a limit I guess. Too many files |
| 11:01:20 | dc_ | hrm |
| 11:01:23 | dc_ | something with the spinner pixmaps |
| 11:01:43 | cmarqu | Yeah, the spinner doesn't move |
| 11:02:16 | wizly | mmmm I just make clean; make install libgpewidget... and now gpe-filemanager make install cannot find -lgpewidget ??? |
| 11:02:34 | dc_ | are there any images in /usr/local/share/gpe/pixmaps/default/gpe-filemanager/spinner? |
| 11:02:52 | cmarqu | Yeah. |
| 11:03:02 | dc_ | including rest.png |
| 11:03:08 | dc_ | and 001.png to 030.png? |
| 11:03:16 | cmarqu | It now also fails for a user with just a few files in ~ |
| 11:03:24 | cmarqu | dc_: Yeah, all there. |
| 11:04:02 | cmarqu | All readable, and viewable pngs. |
| 11:05:45 | dc_ | cmarqu: visit a very large dir |
| 11:05:56 | dc_ | cmarqu: possibly with losts of mp3's or ogg's in it. |
| 11:06:02 | dc_ | cmarqu: see if the spinner moves.. |
| 11:06:17 | cmarqu | dc_: How? I cannot, it tries to list my home and then it segfaults. |
| 11:06:23 | dc_ | oh |
| 11:06:35 | wizly | dc_: i just update libgpewidget and gpe-filemaneger crashes again |
| 11:07:07 | dc_ | cmarqu: okay, changing line 792 in main.c to |
| 11:07:32 | dc_ | pixbuf = gdk_pixbuf_new_from_file (g_strdup_printf ("/usr/loclal/share/gpe/pixmaps/default/gpe-filemanager/spinner/%s.png", spinner_file[i])); |
| 11:08:17 | dc_ | sorry, local not loclal |
| 11:08:56 | cmarqu | Same thing. |
| 11:09:05 | wizly | same thing |
| 11:09:32 | dc_ | remove the g_strdup_prtinf and put rest.png as the image |
| 11:10:08 | dc_ | pixbuf = gdk_pixbuf_new_from_file ("/usr/local/share/gpe/pixmaps/default/gpe-filemanager/spinner/rest.png"); |
| 11:11:02 | wizly | same thing |
| 11:11:07 | dc_ | cmarqu: .. |
| 11:11:36 | cmarqu | dc_: Same. Of course, it was reading rest.png before, just not the other files. |
| 11:12:01 | dc_ | well, make it read only rest.png |
| 11:12:11 | dc_ | so it wont animate it. |
| 11:12:17 | cmarqu | I did. |
| 11:12:24 | dc_ | cmarqu: but it still segs? |
| 11:12:28 | wizly | yes |
| 11:12:32 | cmarqu | Same segfaults. |
| 11:13:47 | dc_ | :[ |
| 11:14:03 | dc_ | and you both have the latest cvs from about 15 minutes ago |
| 11:14:20 | cmarqu | seems so. |
| 11:14:27 | wizly | yes |
| 11:14:37 | dc_ | cmarqu: can you gdb it again |
| 11:14:52 | cmarqu | Oh. |
| 11:15:00 | dc_ | oh. |
| 11:15:10 | cmarqu | I removed that whole code block, and now it works. |
| 11:15:20 | dc_ | ah ha?\ |
| 11:15:24 | dc_ | cmarqu: what bit? |
| 11:15:27 | cmarqu | Let me check more. |
| 11:15:31 | cmarqu | while (i <= num_spinner_files) |
| 11:15:37 | cmarqu | and so on |
| 11:15:44 | dc_ | hrm |
| 11:15:50 | dc_ | werd |
| 11:16:21 | dc_ | oh yeah |
| 11:16:28 | dc_ | it should ignore them if they're NU:: |
| 11:16:31 | dc_ | NULL |
| 11:16:36 | dc_ | cmarqu: so it runs now? |
| 11:16:41 | cmarqu | Yup. |
| 11:16:43 | wizly | yes, it runs |
| 11:16:43 | dc_ | cmarqu: just with no spinner animation? |
| 11:16:49 | dc_ | gooooood!! |
| 11:16:56 | cmarqu | Yup. |
| 11:16:58 | wizly | dc_: I have first bug.. ,) |
| 11:17:21 | dc_ | oh dear. |
| 11:17:22 | dc_ | wizly: yeah |
| 11:17:30 | dc_ | needs to goto sleep soon... |
| 11:17:41 | wizly | back button doesn't work properly |
| 11:18:07 | wizly | I amb on /home/wizly |
| 11:18:13 | wizly | i push evoltion |
| 11:18:19 | wizly | so now, /home/wizly/evolution |
| 11:18:25 | wizly | back -> /home/wizly |
| 11:18:26 | wizly | ok |
| 11:18:34 | wizly | but now, |
| 11:18:44 | wizly | push modelsim |
| 11:18:48 | wizly | /home/wizly/modelsim |
| 11:18:54 | wizly | back button and... /home/wizly/evolution |
| 11:19:04 | cmarqu | dc_: Uncommenting i++; in or around line 795 fixes it. |
| 11:19:12 | cmarqu | wizly: Hah! modelsim :) |
| 11:19:17 | wizly | cmarqu: hehe |
| 11:19:26 | dc_ | :] |
| 11:20:04 | cmarqu | dc_: "/share/gpe/pixmaps/default/gpe-filemanager/" should probably be a constant or something :) |
| 11:20:05 | wizly | playing with back and forward buttons crashes with segmentation fault |
| 11:20:17 | PaxAnima | is there a way to _really_ force the install of an ipkg/deb? |
| 11:20:45 | dc_ | ipkg --help |
| 11:20:52 | PaxAnima | dc_: doesn't work |
| 11:20:59 | dc_ | -force-depends |
| 11:21:00 | PaxAnima | -forc-depends doesn't seem to work for ipkg |
| 11:21:07 | PaxAnima | ipkg = deb |
| 11:21:17 | dc_ | ooh |
| 11:21:18 | dc_ | :/ |
| 11:21:20 | PaxAnima | a quick way to convert a deb to ipkg? |
| 11:21:33 | PaxAnima | someone here had a script (don't remember who) |
| 11:21:40 | dc_ | wizly: yeah, I'm not quite up on the way to handle history. |
| 11:21:52 | dc_ | wizly: I'll work it out on the plane |
| 11:21:52 | wizly | dc_: aha |
| 11:21:54 | dc_ | night guys |
| 11:21:55 | dc_ | :] |
| 11:21:57 | wizly | night |
| 11:21:59 | PaxAnima | night |
| 11:22:05 | cmarqu | dc_: Night. |
| 11:22:09 | dc_ | gotta getup at 4am :] |
| 11:27:13 | mallum | anyone ever played with xwnx ? |
| 11:27:15 | mallum | http://xwinx.sourceforge.net/index.php |
| 11:31:46 | PaxAnima | mallum: so it's essentially a X server for windows? or did I miss the point? |
| 11:32:13 | BBrox | Could be a device driver for Windows that writes X protocol instead of writes to a screen |
| 11:33:23 | PaxAnima | ok |
| 12:15:37 | mallum | PaxAnima: yep |
| 12:15:46 | mallum | PaxAnima: sounds pretty cool, not sure if it works |
| 12:25:17 | PaxAnima | mallum: any tip on force installing a deb? |
| 12:25:25 | mallum | PaxAnima: whats the error ? |
| 12:26:04 | PaxAnima | intalled familiar on my CF card (plan to make a dev. environment), but it insisted on installing busbox |
| 12:26:13 | PaxAnima | it was the unstable feed |
| 12:26:32 | PaxAnima | trying 0.5.2 (or 3, not sure) now, and see if it is any better |
| 12:26:46 | mallum | if you want a dev enviroment, probably better to install debian-arm |
| 12:26:56 | PaxAnima | didn't fit my 128mb cf card |
| 12:28:58 | PaxAnima | seems to work better now |
| 12:29:02 | mallum | cool |
| 12:29:42 | PaxAnima | hey! xlibs-dev just installed ;) now lets move on to glib and gtk.. |
| 12:43:01 | PaxAnima | I'm veeery close |
| 12:43:08 | PaxAnima | where do I get kernel headers? |
| 12:50:53 | PaxAnima | mallum: are you there? do you have the kernel headers for the ipaq kernel? |
| 12:51:10 | PaxAnima | on the ipaq cluster the header dir is 29M.. doesn't seem a bit too big? |
| 12:59:02 | moray | Linus doesn't think people should use kernel headers anyway ;) |
| 12:59:15 | PaxAnima | he |
| 12:59:17 | PaxAnima | got it working! |
| 12:59:27 | moray | (except in the kernel of course ;) |
| 12:59:33 | PaxAnima | just took the headers of the ipaq-cluster |
| 13:04:07 | PaxAnima | BUT I get this error: |
| 13:04:20 | PaxAnima | collect2: ld terminated with signal 11 [Segmentation fault], core dumped |
| 13:06:20 | PaxAnima | could it be errors with the libs? |
| 13:12:34 | wizly | is away: dish washing |
| 13:27:08 | moray | PaxAnima: http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ |
| 13:28:31 | PaxAnima | moray: found the error (upgrading binutils gave me a more informative error message).. was linkin some .o files that were compiled on my desktop |
| 13:28:54 | moray | ah. that would be bad, yes |
| 13:29:59 | PaxAnima | but now I got a working dev. system om my ipaq! (at last) |
| 13:31:27 | moray | *on* the ipaq, or is on NFS? |
| 13:31:47 | PaxAnima | on the ipaq |
| 13:31:59 | moray | you have lots of storage then? |
| 13:32:08 | PaxAnima | a 128MB CF card |
| 13:32:13 | moray | ah, ok |
| 13:32:43 | moray | (it's not that long ago I had a 120 MB hard disk...) |
| 13:32:50 | PaxAnima | occupies 57M of the car |
| 13:32:52 | PaxAnima | d |
| 13:33:31 | moray | hm, I'm sure my C development system then can't have taken up half the disk ;) |
| 13:34:02 | PaxAnima | was a real pain to install what I needed |
| 13:57:23 | wizly | is back (gone 00:44:50) |
| 14:28:00 | prpplague | mallum: morning |
| 15:01:20 | flypiper | ahhhh gpe-nmf is verrry sweeeeeeet :-) |
| 15:01:59 | PaxAnima | is it working? |
| 15:02:43 | flypiper | yep.. perfectly !! |
| 15:02:54 | PaxAnima | maybe try it out soon |
| 15:04:44 | prpplague | nmf? |
| 15:05:04 | flypiper | mp3 player |
| 15:05:16 | prpplague | ahh |
| 15:05:48 | prpplague | flypiper: is it a front end for something? |
| 15:57:51 | prpplague | argh, time to get the nyquil out, my son is driving me nuts this morning, i swear tried to compile matchbox 5 times in last hour........ |
| 16:06:30 | LBM | and gpe is? |
| 16:06:50 | wizly | gpe.handhelds.org |
| 16:07:24 | LBM | i thinking about buying a palm m130, but needs to know if i can access it trough linux and if it is possible to get some kind of linux on the device |
| 16:07:30 | LBM | wizly: ohh thanks |
| 16:08:07 | prpplague | LBM: there is a psuedo linux dist for palm, IIRC linuxDA |
| 16:08:26 | LBM | prpplague: that runs upon palmos? |
| 16:08:26 | Veggen | LBM: there are numerous tools to communicate from Linux to PalmOS. There does exist some Linux-dist-thing, too, but as far as I know it's not really useful. |
| 16:08:49 | LBM | Veggen: hmm okay, the tools is the most important thing |
| 16:09:04 | prpplague | LBM: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8046113749.html |
| 16:09:06 | LBM | any of you got a palm? |
| 16:09:28 | LBM | prpplague: thanks dude |
| 16:09:38 | prpplague | LBM: most of us are into strongarm systems that can use open source os |
| 16:10:07 | prpplague | LBM: in other words, no |
| 16:10:14 | Veggen | LBM: I do. Haven't really used it that much lately, though :) (mostly, because I'm too lazy to use a PDA - however, I use the tools. |
| 16:12:04 | LBM | okay, i know the ipaq is much better, and runs linux natively, but it's sooooo expensive |
| 16:16:17 | prpplague | LBM: you can get some of the older models on ebay for around 250-300 |
| 16:16:44 | prpplague | LBM: or if you have bestbuy localy you might be able to find a zaurus on sale for $315 |
| 16:17:12 | LBM | i live in denmark :( |
| 16:18:39 | Veggen | LBM: you'll be quite comfortable with using Linux to communicate with your Palm. |
| 16:19:24 | LBM | the cheepest ones costs about 660$ |
| 16:19:45 | LBM | Veggen: so you say that a palm is a good choice? |
| 16:20:10 | LBM | what about internet conn. on a palm, what expansions, progs etc? |
| 16:21:55 | Veggen | I know nothing about palm expansion systemts etc. But I do know that the tools are there, the APIs are open, there's good development tools to develop palm programs under Linux, etc. |
| 16:22:25 | LBM | ohh okay |
| 16:23:23 | Veggen | and synchronization with adress book, calendar, todos, etc. is possible, synchronizes also both with GNOME and KDE adressbook/calendar stuff, as well as with some standalone programs. |
| 16:23:47 | moray | the current palms aren't really much different from the ones a few years ago, which means they're not that 'clever', but are fairly standard (and apparently nice to use) |
| 16:24:05 | Veggen | And internet connectivity is not difficult. There's descriptions on the net, just look around a bit. |
| 16:24:16 | moray | at the moment Palms are the only things that will synchronise properly with a Linux desktop AFAIK... |
| 16:24:38 | moray | (presumably we ought to change that soon ;) |
| 16:25:23 | LBM | Veggen: can't really find that, do you have some links? |
| 16:25:57 | LBM | moray: change it on what devices then? |
| 16:27:39 | moray | LBM: well, GPE needs to be able to synchronise with desktop PIM programs - at the moment we're mostly developing for iPAQs, but in principle it can run on many devices |
| 16:27:56 | Veggen | LBM: +hmmm |
| 16:28:04 | Veggen | urk. |
| 16:28:31 | Veggen | galeon crashed on me. |
| 16:29:05 | moray | Veggen: it's been doing that to me quite a lot recently, almost every time I try to open PS/PDF through it - which is nasty :( |
| 16:29:28 | Veggen | cut&paste to/from adress field doesn't work either? |
| 16:29:37 | moray | Veggen: especially since Mozilla did that a long time ago, but then it was fixed (Galeon's meant to be a cleaner version!) |
| 16:29:45 | Veggen | moray: that's what I tried to do now. And it just crashed! |
| 16:29:58 | moray | Veggen: I haven't had any problem with cut and paste |
| 16:31:32 | moray | LBM: from a search, see e.g. http://www.palmx.org/detailnews.asp?id=7 for a page on palm/irda stuff... |
| 16:31:47 | LBM | moray: i found some cheep ipaq's now - but i read something about the older models bering VERY buggy |
| 16:32:05 | LBM | moray: hmm, not irda, ethernet |
| 16:32:18 | moray | LBM: why would you want to use a palm on ethernet...? |
| 16:32:48 | moray | LBM: which models? the latest models don't actually work with Linux yet ;) |
| 16:33:30 | LBM | moray: yes they do :) |
| 16:33:47 | LBM | moray: i talk about the 3630 |
| 16:34:54 | Veggen | LBM: See for example http://www.xs4all.nl/~ahaack/palmpilot/palm-v.html |
| 16:35:07 | moray | LBM: I think most of the bugs with that model will be WinCE only... though it has relatively limited storage |
| 16:35:32 | LBM | Veggen: thanks |
| 16:36:01 | LBM | moray: hmm okay, then i think i buy this ipaq and get some linux on it :) |
| 16:36:19 | moray | LBM: how much ram/rom does that one have exactly? |
| 16:36:35 | moray | mine is 64MB RAM / 16MB ROM |
| 16:36:44 | moray | (though not real ROM of course, but Flash) |
| 16:38:43 | prpplague | argh, i don't understand how i keep getting spam for breast enlargement |
| 16:41:05 | Veggen | prpplague: everyone are? |
| 16:41:46 | Veggen | (btw, use spamassassin - it does wonders with removing spam) |
| 16:42:41 | prpplague | Veggen: ya i've been meaning to get that installed but i've been swamped with other fun stuff |
| 16:46:31 | moray | hm, no breast enlargement spam here... |
| 16:47:30 | Veggen | I get them now and again. SpamAsssassin stops them, though, so it goes in the spam folder. |
| 16:48:08 | moray | I actually get little enough spam that I don't bother having a program to hide it - I can't say why this is though! |
| 16:48:45 | prpplague | i didn't hardly any until i had to some work with a korean company, now i'm swamped with spam from korean servers |
| 16:48:46 | Veggen | ever posted on news? ever posted on a mailing-list that's beeing archived on the web? That's how. |
| 16:49:13 | moray | Veggen: yes, I've posted to usenet, on lots of mailing lists etc. |
| 16:49:25 | moray | Veggen: I do get *some* spam |
| 16:50:04 | LBM | heh, just bought a ipaq :) |
| 16:50:27 | moray | Veggen: my current 'junk' folder has 59 messages in it, which I think is since January (certainly then or before) |
| 16:50:31 | moray | LBM: ah :) |
| 16:51:37 | moray | Veggen: that's not including messages that go to lists I signed up to, even if I don't want to read them - those I can very easily redirect to /dev/null if I get fed up |
| 16:52:13 | LBM | moray: and you say linux runs well on them? |
| 17:10:15 | moray | LBM: yes - GPE will give you PDA-style applications to run on TinyX, and you can ssh in to do anything you'd do on a normal Linux box... - see http://familiar.handhelds.org/ for the Familiar distribution for iPAQs, with installation instructions etc. (look at the 0.6pre1 prerelease) |
| 17:10:54 | LBM | moray: okay, so i install familiar first, then the gpe graphical frontend? |
| 17:11:58 | moray | LBM: there are GPE packages in Familiar (it's our primary build target at the moment) |
| 17:12:57 | LBM | moray: so your an familiar dev? |
| 17:14:00 | LBM | moray: what about qpe - what is the diff between that and gpe? |
| 17:17:29 | prpplague | LBM: IIRC qpe is qt/e based whereas gpe is gtk based |
| 17:19:22 | moray | also currently available versions of QPE use the framebuffer directly rather than X, so you can't run any non-QPE programs |
| 17:19:55 | moray | (some Open Source types working on QPE have a fork called Opie, but it's basically the same thing) |
| 17:22:24 | LBM | hnn okay |
| 17:22:35 | LBM | i'll just test them all when i get the ipq |
| 17:22:55 | LBM | but ALL of them uses familiar as the base linux sys? |
| 17:23:41 | wizly | anybody is working on import vcard from evolution to gpe-contacts? |
| 17:38:09 | mallum | anyone know where jedi master pb's been this weekend ? |
| 17:38:40 | prpplague | mallum: negative |
| 17:47:30 | | pb_ was last seen on #gpe 1 days, 11 hours, 56 minutes and 2 seconds ago, saying: cmarqu: ah, I see Jamey added himself to people.coord: how do we regenerate the xplanet images? [Sat Aug 17 06:51:28 2002] |
| 17:47:30 | cmarqu | ibot: seen pb_ |
| 17:49:19 | prpplague | mallum: is there an easy way to do a make install and have it install in a chrooted install dir? |
| 17:49:31 | prpplague | mallum: on the matchbox build |
| 17:52:31 | prpplague | mallum: nm, found it |
| 18:11:20 | Veggen | Nuts. gpe-dm won't accept any passwords - and btw, it doesn't show anything (not stars either) in the password field, when I type. |
| 18:14:32 | pierre_ | that is not normal :-) |
| 18:14:46 | pierre_ | do you have xkbd? |
| 18:16:28 | flypiper | Veggen: try installing gpe-kbd |
| 18:16:53 | Veggen | both installed |
| 18:17:24 | Veggen | It's a fresh 0.6-pre1 bootgpe-image, with ipkg upgrade after, and then ipkg install gpe |
| 18:20:11 | prpplague | is away: riding bike with son |
| 18:23:08 | mallum | prpplague: how'd you do it ? with DISTDIR ? |
| 18:23:36 | mallum | Veggen: I got that too |
| 18:24:18 | Veggen | mallum: What was the solution? |
| 18:24:58 | mallum | Veggen: dont know, thee filesystem died shortly after that :( |
| 18:25:19 | Veggen | mallum: oh, the reason I reflashed, was that my filesystem died :) |
| 18:25:36 | mallum | Veggen: this was on a 3100 which I think was part of the problem |
| 18:25:42 | Veggen | I filled it up completely...is that still considered dangerous? |
| 18:25:52 | mallum | Veggen: on my other ipaq I upgrtaded to unstable and it was ok ( xkbd ) |
| 18:25:54 | Veggen | oh, this is 3600. |
| 18:31:54 | Veggen | Any more ideas? |
| 18:35:10 | mallum | Veggen: upgrade to unstable |
| 18:35:27 | Veggen | ...from 0.6-pre1? |
| 18:37:32 | Veggen | Isn't 0.6-pre1 supposed to be pre-release of the next release, 0.6? |
| 18:39:26 | mallum | yeah, it has a 0.6pre feed |
| 18:39:41 | mallum | Veggen: just open up /etc/ipkg.conf and you'll see what to change |
| 18:40:26 | Veggen | just uncomment the familiar-unstable feed? |
| 18:57:09 | prpplague | is back (gone 00:36:58) |
| 18:57:28 | prpplague | mallum: no i just used the buildroot make files for openzaurus |
| 18:57:45 | mallum | prpplague: cool |
| 18:57:55 | prpplague | mallum: right now i don't need to install all of the mini apps for i'm just installing matchbox and the themes |
| 18:58:24 | prpplague | mallum: which theme does matchbox choose by default? |
| 18:59:35 | prpplague | man its hotter than a whore on friday night out there today........... |
| 19:00:31 | jg_ | yup |
| 19:01:20 | jg_ | 95 here, high humidity.... |
| 19:01:35 | prpplague | bout the same here |
| 19:02:28 | jg_ | isn't supposed to do this in massachusetts, much less for a week at a time. |
| 19:02:48 | prpplague | jg_: actually this has been mildest summer in recorded history of east texas |
| 19:02:53 | mallum | its been 95 in the UK |
| 19:03:04 | mallum | thats unbearable |
| 19:03:15 | BBrox | 95 ? I thought they used Celsius in the UK now :) |
| 19:03:15 | jg_ | It isn't supposed to feel like east texas in Massachusetts. |
| 19:04:33 | mallum | BBrox: oh I tried that xwinx thing out |
| 19:04:41 | mallum | BBrox: pretty much sucked |
| 19:05:13 | mallum | BBrox: I think it basically just make a pixmap of your desktop and pipes it over X11 |
| 19:05:17 | prpplague | jg_: lol, ya well, according to the weather channel, the average temp for august is suppose to be 113 |
| 19:05:33 | mallum | BBrox: very slow |
| 19:05:38 | BBrox | mallum: heh :-) |
| 19:05:45 | BBrox | mallum: so nothing revolutionary |
| 19:05:56 | mallum | BBrox: nope :( |
| 19:06:02 | mallum | BBrox: little magic at all |
| 19:06:16 | BBrox | fights PyGtk2 |
| 19:06:20 | mallum | BBrox: if it just did one window it would have probably been ok-ish |
| 19:08:32 | jg_ | 95 in boston is more than a bit hot... We aren't set up for high heat and humidity. |
| 19:09:02 | BBrox | fears going to Chicago next month.... |
| 19:09:09 | BBrox | I fear the mosquitoes :-) |
| 19:09:19 | mallum | jg_: did you go to Linux Expo ? |
| 19:09:28 | jg_ | mallum: nope. |
| 19:09:42 | jg_ | BBrox: town paper in the town I live in is the mosquito. |
| 19:10:25 | BBrox | jg_: he :-) |
| 19:10:48 | BBrox | Although it cannot be worse than when I visited Florida just one year ago |
| 19:10:55 | jg_ | about time to go jump in the pool... |
| 19:11:07 | mallum | alright for some ;) |
| 19:14:58 | prpplague | mallum: i know you can choose to have no titlebar when starting matchbox, do you think there will ever be the support for selected notitle bar apps? |
| 19:15:59 | mallum | prpplague: you can double click the title text and the titlebar will collapse |
| 19:16:47 | mallum | prpplague: or in the classic theme there is a button to do it |
| 19:22:37 | prpplague | mallum: ok one more question, i was reading that monolaunch has a flag to pass messages back to mbdock, what kind of messages would you'd send back and do you have an example app? |
| 19:26:16 | mallum | prpplague: monolaunch -m some.xpm 'echo crap' |
| 19:26:49 | mallum | prpplague: thats very sketchy at the moment, YMMV |
| 19:27:31 | prpplague | mallum: ok so what does that accomplis? |
| 19:29:43 | mallum | prpplague: try it |
| 19:32:02 | mallum | prpplague: hmmm, it dont seem to work anymore for me :( |
| 19:36:44 | prpplague | mallum: ahh, i see it now |
| 19:36:51 | prpplague | mallum: aka balloon messages |
| 19:37:06 | prpplague | mallum: ok one more question and i'll leave you alone..... |
| 19:38:16 | prpplague | mallum: is it normally if you start a monolaunch from a rxvt terminal without putting it in the back ground, that when you kill it the mbdock exits as well? |
| 19:44:31 | PaxAnima | what's the "Firestarter" bootup thing good for? |
| 19:52:19 | PaxAnima | mallum: why does all the window titles have the name <unnamed> <x> (where x is a number) |
| 19:53:02 | cmarqu | pb_: Hi! |
| 19:53:09 | pb_ | hey cmarqu |
| 19:53:15 | pb_ | just got back from Edinburgh |
| 19:53:54 | cmarqu | Ah. Visited moray? :) |
| 19:55:52 | prpplague | pb_: nice sunday trip? |
| 19:56:58 | pb_ | prpplague: yeah, I was away for the weekend. |
| 19:58:03 | pb_ | cmarqu: ha, no, didn't see Moray; I was there for the Edinburgh Festival (or at least a couple of days of it) |
| 19:59:49 | prpplague | pb_: any good beer? |
| 20:02:07 | cmarqu | pb_: BTW, dc is going back, right now or somehting like that |
| 20:04:57 | pb_ | prpplague: didn't find anything very interesting, no. :-/ |
| 20:05:02 | pb_ | cmarqu: oh right, cool. |
| 20:06:30 | prpplague | that was fun, tried to compile matchbox and it froze my box |
| 20:06:48 | PaxAnima | he |
| 20:07:26 | PaxAnima | I'm having problem with matchbox (all window titles have the name <unnamed><x>), and it seems to be the gtk apps who are failing.. anyone experienced anything similar? |
| 20:08:39 | prpplague | PaxAnima: well anything you have more than one window open with the same name, a number is added to identify the window |
| 20:08:58 | prpplague | PaxAnima: as to why you have unamed, your guess is a good as mine |
| 20:11:30 | PaxAnima | guess all gtk apps get the name "unnamed" then |
| 20:11:32 | PaxAnima | strange |
| 20:12:55 | prpplague | PaxAnima: that doesn't seem correct |
| 20:13:03 | PaxAnima | no.. |
| 20:14:08 | PaxAnima | trying to reinstall gtk now |
| 20:14:47 | PaxAnima | odd |
| 20:15:14 | prpplague | mallum: hmm, i'm having problems getting the mb configure script to use the apm lib thats for my arm build |
| 20:15:35 | prpplague | mallum: any suggestions what i need to look for? |
| 20:19:48 | PaxAnima | hmm.. seems like the gtk lib on my ipaq is baaad.. |
| 20:20:37 | PaxAnima | when I ran the app from my chrooted CF card it worked... |
| 20:22:55 | PaxAnima | any ideas? |
| 20:32:20 | prpplague | PaxAnima: sorry none here |
| 20:36:59 | prpplague | argh, why is this not building miniapm |
| 20:42:07 | mallum | becuase you dont have the apm headers on your system ? |
| 20:42:35 | PaxAnima | mallum: there you are! any idea to why gtk apps get the title "unnamed"? |
| 20:43:07 | mallum | PaxAnima: nope |
| 20:43:27 | mallum | PaxAnima: Its something wierd happening in the new xlibs |
| 20:44:04 | PaxAnima | so it's a known bug? |
| 20:44:36 | mallum | PaxAnima: yeah, _only_ happens with the new xlibs on the ipaq |
| 20:45:00 | mallum | PaxAnima: the xlibs are built from X CVS so I point the finger at them |
| 20:45:16 | PaxAnima | maybe the gtk libs need to be rebuilt? |
| 20:45:25 | mallum | PaxAnima: could be |
| 20:45:45 | PaxAnima | any ways to downgrade the X in the unstable feed? |
| 20:46:27 | mallum | not that I know of |
| 20:46:48 | PaxAnima | guess I'm stuck with "unnamed" windows then... |
| 20:49:32 | mallum | yep me too :( |
| 20:51:17 | pb_ | PaxAnima: you should be able to reinstall the older xlibs manually. |
| 20:51:57 | mallum | pb_: aha! |
| 20:52:14 | mallum | pb_: where did you appear from ? |
| 20:52:29 | pb_ | mallum: up norf |
| 20:52:39 | PaxAnima | pb_: ok... |
| 20:52:43 | pb_ | mallum: been in Scotland for the weekend |
| 20:52:51 | mallum | pb_: ewe its grim up there ;) |
| 20:52:52 | prpplague | mallum: no i have the headers, but apparently i'm not passing something right |
| 20:53:22 | mallum | prpplague: are the build scripts simply not building miniapm ? |
| 20:53:23 | prpplague | mallum: i'm not able to get it to compile manually, i get an error about some tray functions not found |
| 20:53:39 | mallum | pb_: good time ? |
| 20:54:07 | pb_ | mallum: yeah, pretty good. It's a bit of a trek though, takes about six hours. |
| 20:54:15 | mallum | pb_: yeah by train ? |
| 20:54:22 | prpplague | mallum: the ./configure reports that it has found the apm.h but when i do a make the miniapm doesn't even appear on the list make output |
| 20:54:40 | pb_ | mallum: yeah. I looked at flying, but if you don't stay over a Sunday night it's really expensive - 150 quid each way or something. |
| 20:54:42 | mallum | prpplague: do a make distclean before the configure |
| 20:54:56 | mallum | pb_: ouch |
| 20:55:09 | prpplague | mallum: ok will do |
| 20:55:46 | mallum | prpplague: are you running from cvs ? |
| 20:56:10 | mallum | pb_: I (re)flashed both my ipaqs this weekend |
| 20:56:14 | prpplague | mallum: ya about a two week old cvs |
| 20:56:26 | pb_ | mallum: wahey, are they working? |
| 20:56:33 | mallum | prpplague: oK, run autoconfigure.sh |
| 20:56:50 | mallum | pb_: 1 is toast, the other is half working :( |
| 20:57:03 | pb_ | mallum: ah, doesn't sound too good. |
| 20:57:09 | pb_ | mallum: which one is toast? |
| 20:57:12 | mallum | pb_: the 3100 |
| 20:57:21 | mallum | pb_: I posted to the ipaq list with the error |
| 20:57:36 | mallum | pb_: '3100 0.6pre1 wierdness' |
| 20:58:29 | mallum | pb_: I tried the latest 0.6pre gpe jffs image |
| 20:58:31 | prpplague | mallum: still nada |
| 20:58:34 | mallum | pb_: a few problems |
| 20:58:50 | mallum | prpplague: is configure defienbtly finding apm.h ? |
| 20:58:57 | AntiProxy | hi everyone |
| 20:59:02 | AntiProxy | GPE suggests that i click the 'record' button to recalibrate the screen.. but the record button doesnt do anything.. any ideas what could be wrong? |
| 20:59:13 | prpplague | mallum: ahh, i'm getting an error on the autoconfigure.sh |
| 20:59:16 | mallum | pb_: what Antiproxy just said is one of them |
| 20:59:27 | prpplague | mallum: APM_PROGS not defined |
| 20:59:39 | mallum | prpplague: you running debian ? |
| 20:59:48 | AntiProxy | okay.. so its not just me .) |
| 21:00:15 | cmarqu | This is at least fixed in CVS, maybe not in a package yet |
| 21:00:15 | prpplague | mallum: host machine is RHAT |
| 21:00:30 | cmarqu | (the xcalibrate problem) |
| 21:00:39 | mallum | AntiProxy: you need to install xcalibrate its missing from the image |
| 21:01:07 | cmarqu | Oh. That too? |
| 21:01:31 | mallum | cmarqu: yeah libfreetype is also missing so the login xkbd dont come up |
| 21:01:34 | cmarqu | We also had another problem in that area. |
| 21:01:35 | AntiProxy | Package xcalibrate (0.2-2) installed in root is up to date |
| 21:01:40 | cmarqu | mallum: Ah. |
| 21:02:10 | AntiProxy | hmm |
| 21:02:10 | prpplague | mallum: ahh looks like i need to pass a variable called USE_APMLIB |
| 21:02:18 | AntiProxy | what are my options now? .) |
| 21:02:20 | cmarqu | AntiProxy: ipkg status gpe-login ? |
| 21:02:22 | mallum | cmarqu: also on a fresh install you may wanna install a non_xft version of xkbd, it will look much better |
| 21:02:40 | AntiProxy | MD5sum: b5621a1e2d330b6627102599cbe8eb55 |
| 21:02:41 | AntiProxy | Size: 13288 |
| 21:02:41 | AntiProxy | Filename: gpe-login_0.20_arm.ipk |
| 21:02:45 | AntiProxy | i guess thats what you need? |
| 21:02:45 | mallum | prpplague: no, avoid CVS |
| 21:02:56 | AntiProxy | speaking of which.. which feed should i use? |
| 21:03:12 | AntiProxy | i`m using http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.6-pre1/x/armv4l |
| 21:03:29 | mallum | prpplague: automake|conf is wierd if you dont have the same version as what it was created with |
| 21:03:51 | mallum | prpplague: its fine from tarballs, but CVS can be a bitch |
| 21:04:04 | AntiProxy | i have one kick ass config now .) |
| 21:04:13 | AntiProxy | Console, Opie and GPE |
| 21:04:16 | AntiProxy | they all work |
| 21:04:27 | prpplague | mallum: hmm, ok, |
| 21:04:30 | AntiProxy | ( console using the MicroKeyboard ) |
| 21:05:10 | mallum | prpplague: or I can list the versions of my autoconf tools and you can try and match with redhat |
| 21:05:40 | mallum | AntiProxy: can you get 80char width with the console ? |
| 21:05:50 | pb_ | mallum: ah yeah, just saw your 3100 thing on the list. |
| 21:06:11 | AntiProxy | mallum: nope.. can you? .) |
| 21:06:42 | AntiProxy | i get 40char width though |
| 21:07:00 | mallum | AntiProxy: 80char landscape ? |
| 21:07:07 | AntiProxy | 40 char landscape |
| 21:07:29 | AntiProxy | http://handhelds.org/scap/land.9562.png <-- thats my boot selector that i just finished working on .) |
| 21:07:31 | prpplague | mallum: yep, looks like that did it |
| 21:07:40 | prpplague | mallum: that bites |
| 21:07:44 | AntiProxy | http://handhelds.org/scap/land.12590.png <-- and thats my Console |
| 21:07:53 | AntiProxy | http://handhelds.org/scap/land.12554.png <-- another console image |
| 21:08:34 | mallum | AntiProxy: most cool |
| 21:08:55 | mallum | AntiProxy: now you need to get a really small framebuffer font :) |
| 21:09:07 | cmarqu | AntiProxy: can you /query me your /usr/bin/gpe-xcalibrate.sh please? |
| 21:09:10 | AntiProxy | i replaced the script that used to show "hit [Y] in 5 seconds blahblah" with BootSelector v0.1 |
| 21:10:55 | mallum | cmarqu: whats up with su as well ? |
| 21:11:09 | cmarqu | pb_: You didn't remove that focus grabbing thing from gpe-login yet, did you? |
| 21:11:16 | AntiProxy | mallum: can you help me out on that one? (small fb fonts) .) |
| 21:11:25 | pb_ | cmarqu: I thought I did, in the last release. |
| 21:11:25 | cmarqu | mallum: Oh. Dunno...? |
| 21:11:31 | AntiProxy | i`d kill to be able to rotate my console screen |
| 21:11:44 | mallum | pb_: have you got usbnet working with the 0.6pre images ? |
| 21:11:48 | cmarqu | Oh, yeah. Hmm. |
| 21:11:51 | AntiProxy | cuz you can imagine how hard it is having to hold the keyboard at a 90 degrees angle from the text orientation |
| 21:11:52 | AntiProxy | heh |
| 21:11:59 | pb_ | mallum: not with the images, but it works for me with the stuff in unstable. |
| 21:12:18 | mallum | pb_: hmm, it dont work for me no more :( |
| 21:12:32 | mallum | pb_: do you have a usbf entry in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 21:12:41 | cmarqu | AntiProxy: ipkg status keylaunch ? |
| 21:12:42 | pb_ | AntiProxy: what's the benefit of console mode over running the X server and a single rxvt or something? |
| 21:12:44 | pb_ | mallum: yes. |
| 21:13:02 | pb_ | mallum: you also need a new net.agent if you are using kernel -hh17 or newer. |
| 21:13:49 | mallum | pb_: Im using whtever kernels in unstable |
| 21:14:17 | pb_ | mallum: I dunno what's in unstable - what does ipkg status say? |
| 21:14:29 | pb_ | mallum: or alternatively, what are the symptoms you see when you try to use usbnet? |
| 21:14:40 | AntiProxy | pb_: looks better for some odd reason.. can be used for debugging and solving problems if your X or opie dont load and the problem is small.. |
| 21:14:45 | AntiProxy | it could be useful in many ways |
| 21:14:45 | AntiProxy | .) |
| 21:18:13 | mallum | pb_: hmm kernel version does not seem to have HH version attatched |
| 21:19:00 | mallum | pb_: should gpe-login hide/change the cursor ? |
| 21:19:15 | pb_ | mallum: yah, probably. |
| 21:19:21 | AntiProxy | guys |
| 21:19:27 | AntiProxy | what feed do you use? |
| 21:19:57 | pb_ | mallum: the code in libgpewidget used to hide the cursor for gpe-login, but I took that out when you added the support to matchbox. I guess I ought to put it into gpe-login itself. |
| 21:20:07 | pb_ | AntiProxy: unstable, though 0.6 should also be OK. |
| 21:20:13 | mallum | pb_: yeah probably safest |
| 21:20:25 | AntiProxy | pb: url please .) |
| 21:20:41 | flypiper | http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.6-pre1/base/armv4l/kernel-2.4.18-rmk3_hh17_arm.ipk |
| 21:20:42 | pb_ | AntiProxy: note that the 0.6-preN boot-*.jffs2 images are not necessarily up to date with respect to the packages in the 0.6 feed right at the moment. |
| 21:20:53 | mallum | pb_: yeah my zimage is just showing 2.4.18-rmk3 |
| 21:20:54 | flypiper | AntiProxy: im currently using that one |
| 21:21:33 | pb_ | mallum: what does "ipkg status kernel-2.4.18-rmk3" say for the version? |
| 21:22:00 | AntiProxy | i used the opie image.. and installed gpe later |
| 21:22:30 | mallum | pb_: hh17b |
| 21:22:47 | pb_ | mallum: ok, then you will need the new net.agent |
| 21:22:59 | mallum | pb_: okey where do I get that from ? |
| 21:23:51 | pb_ | mallum: try handhelds.org/~pb/hotplug_1.22-1_arm.ipk |
| 21:25:53 | mallum | pb_: cool got it |
| 21:27:17 | prpplague | mallum: whats the best way of specifing a specific location for the apm.h when using the configure? |
| 21:27:25 | mallum | pb_: also do you know whats up with su ? |
| 21:27:36 | mallum | prpplague: um .... |
| 21:28:04 | mallum | pb_: cool usbnet back it full effect :)) |
| 21:28:10 | mallum | pb_: thank you ! |
| 21:28:31 | mallum | pb_: can I continue pestering you ? |
| 21:28:46 | mallum | prpplague: just make sure its in a standard include place I guess |
| 21:28:57 | mallum | prpplague: I dont know if you can specift a location or not |
| 21:29:50 | prpplague | mallum: hmm, that presents a problem when doing it from a build root |
| 21:31:36 | pb_ | mallum: sure |
| 21:31:40 | pb_ | mallum: what's the problem with su? |
| 21:31:59 | mallum | prpplague: copy apm.h in to the build directory |
| 21:32:09 | mallum | prpplague: or hack the configure.ac script |
| 21:32:17 | mallum | pb_: it dont work :( |
| 21:32:20 | mallum | pb_: I get; |
| 21:33:02 | mallum | su: this applet requires root privilages |
| 21:38:58 | pb_ | mallum: chmod u+s /bin/su |
| 21:39:42 | prpplague | mallum: can't i tell the configure script that i need an additional include dir? |
| 21:41:42 | mallum | pb_: will that make busybox suid root though ? |
| 21:41:52 | Veggen | Uhm...why does GPE now only start x-terminal-emulator when I log in, btw? |
| 21:41:59 | mallum | prpplague: ./configure --help has all the info |
| 21:42:16 | pb_ | mallum: no, just su. |
| 21:42:32 | pb_ | Veggen: sounds like your X session is broken. |
| 21:42:34 | mallum | pb_: cool |
| 21:43:37 | prpplague | mallum: ya, been going throught it for an hour, lol |
| 21:44:00 | mallum | prpplague: I dont know it off the top of my head |
| 21:44:42 | Veggen | pb_: probably, what's supposed to be there? |
| 21:44:47 | mallum | pb_: also I seem to get an extra xstroke on start up - is that just a case of old session scripts ? |
| 21:45:17 | Veggen | pb_: What does GPE run when you log in successfully? |
| 21:45:21 | pb_ | mallum: hmm, there was a bug filed about that recently, but the originator suggested it turned out to be a local problem. |
| 21:45:37 | pb_ | mallum: how many xstroke-related things do you have in /etc/X11/Xsession-gpe.d? |
| 21:45:54 | pb_ | Veggen: see the description of gpe-login on the web site for the details. |
| 21:46:03 | mallum | pb_: just the one |
| 21:46:06 | pb_ | Veggen: first thing to check would be ~/.xsession-errors |
| 21:46:31 | mallum | pb_: ah but that should really be there ? |
| 21:46:33 | pb_ | mallum: hmm, right. Really you probably shouldn't have any, since mbdock will relaunch xstroke by itself. |
| 21:46:44 | Veggen | pb: Nothing. at all. |
| 21:46:48 | pb_ | mallum: but I _do_ have the script in /etc/X11/Xsession-gpe.d and I don't seem to get extra ones. |
| 21:47:04 | mallum | pb_: hmm, maybe you have a very old non session aware xstroke ? |
| 21:47:09 | Veggen | Is there supposed to be an /etc/X11/Xsession file, not just Xsession-gpe.d directory? |
| 21:47:13 | pb_ | mallum: I have the latest from unstable. |
| 21:47:18 | pb_ | Veggen: yes. |
| 21:47:36 | Veggen | pb: thought so, I don't have it. |
| 21:47:47 | Veggen | what provides it? |
| 21:48:02 | pb_ | gpe-session-scripts I should think. |
| 21:48:30 | pb_ | oh, no, looks like gpe-dm. |
| 21:48:56 | Veggen | No /etc/X11/Xsession in neither of those in mine. |
| 21:49:12 | pb_ | What versions do you have? |
| 21:49:29 | Veggen | gpe-dm 0.15 |
| 21:49:39 | prpplague | mallum: well why the hell not, lol, your suppose to be the mb guru, lol |
| 21:49:41 | Veggen | gpe-session-scripts 0.17 |
| 21:49:59 | pb_ | looks like the latest gpe-dm is 0.16, try upgrading. |
| 21:50:03 | prpplague | mallum: scouts honor, no more stupid questions today, thanks |
| 21:50:20 | mallum | prpplague: np ;) |
| 21:51:42 | prpplague | mallum: btw, i did finally get it, lol |
| 21:52:00 | Veggen | that did it. |
| 21:52:31 | Veggen | thanks. |
| 21:52:52 | pb_ | ok, cool. |
| 21:54:28 | Veggen | What had happened, was that /etc/X11/Xserver wasn't there. Seeing that it was supposed to be run by gpe-dm (with strace), I took a guess and symlinked it to Xipaq. |
| 21:55:11 | Veggen | That sort of worked, it started X by that, though landscape. But upgrading to unstable, gpe-dm didn't want to overwrite my XServer file, alas gpe-dm didn't get upgraded. |
| 21:55:21 | pb_ | Ah. |
| 21:56:27 | Veggen | Wow, I've now whole of 4444 k flash left. Wonder what I'm gonna do with it all. |
| 21:57:36 | mallum | pb_: I just tried a new matchbox with an alternate way of getting the window title |
| 21:57:38 | Veggen | I don't think I'll try the nmf packages again before gtk2 is cleaned up a bit, and reduced in size. |
| 21:57:41 | mallum | pb_: it still dont work :( |
| 21:58:04 | mallum | pb_: Im thinking maybe rebuild gtk against whatever jg build xlib with ? |
| 21:59:19 | prpplague | mallum: if you ever make to a conference that i attended, i'll buy ya a steak and a beer for all the help |
| 21:59:39 | pb_ | mallum: if the xlibs changed in a binary incompatible way, that would be a bug in xlib. |
| 22:00:02 | pb_ | mallum: if they didn't change in an incompatible way, rebuilding gtk would make no difference. Either way, it doesn't seem like something we want to do. |
| 22:01:24 | mallum | prpplague: mmm, sounds good - I'll hold you to it ;) |
| 22:01:43 | mallum | pb_: hmmm yeah, Im stumped on what the problem could be |
| 22:02:15 | pb_ | me too at present. :-/ |
| 22:03:35 | mallum | pb_: have you tried launching gtk apps from you desktop onto the ipaq ? |
| 22:03:43 | pb_ | mallum: yes, that works fine. |
| 22:04:23 | mallum | pb_: hmmm, I think we have to knock jg about a bit then |
| 22:04:35 | pb_ | mallum: gtk2 apps also work okay; it's (slightly) interesting that gtk2 uses a different method to set the window title from gtk1. |
| 22:04:47 | prpplague | mallum: you can ask pb_ , i always payup when i can |
| 22:05:05 | mallum | pb_: gtk is probably setting a utf8 name ? |
| 22:05:27 | pb_ | looks like it. |
| 22:05:40 | mallum | prpplague: its no problem asking me questions ;) |
| 22:05:42 | pb_ | whereas gtk1 uses XmbSetWProperties, whatever that is. |
| 22:05:58 | pb_ | uh, XmbSetWMProperties. |
| 22:05:58 | Veggen | Upgrading libgpewidget0 from 0.15 to 0.14 |
| 22:06:10 | Veggen | that looked quite strange? |
| 22:06:22 | pb_ | Veggen: complain to jamey, or see the mailing list archives. |
| 22:07:44 | mallum | pb_: the ipaq have libxmuu but no libxmu , I think that could be the problem |
| 22:07:58 | mallum | pb_: IIRC Xmb is like a wierd xlib helper lib |
| 22:08:05 | pb_ | mallum: hmm |
| 22:08:11 | mallum | pb_: I guess its that thats broke |
| 22:08:12 | pb_ | mallum: if the library was just missing, I'd expect to get an error. |
| 22:08:27 | pb_ | mallum: oh right, yeah, could be. |
| 22:08:45 | mallum | pb_: that would explain why every thing else is ok |
| 22:08:59 | pb_ | yeah. |
| 22:08:59 | mallum | pb_: Im gonna switch mine out with my deb arm one |
| 22:09:11 | Veggen | Hmm. Should get to bed, soon. Workday tomorrow, after three weeks vacation. |
| 22:09:12 | pb_ | ok, good plan. |
| 22:09:35 | Veggen | I'm not used to getting up earlier than 10, at the earliest, for these last three weeks. |
| 22:11:11 | mallum | pb_: will restarting gpe-dm restart X ? |
| 22:11:18 | pb_ | mallum: yes. |
| 22:16:56 | mallum | pb_: still nothing :( |
| 22:17:13 | mallum | pb_: the word 'bollox' springs to mind |
| 22:17:23 | wizly | hi |
| 22:18:10 | mallum | pb_: though my X11R6/lib dir looks different to my debian one |
| 22:18:25 | mallum | anyway bedtime now |
| 22:18:28 | mallum | g'night all |
| 22:18:31 | pb_ | night |
| 22:18:32 | cmarqu | Night. |
| 22:18:47 | pb_ | mmm, think I'm gonna go to sleep too. |
| 22:18:54 | cmarqu | And I'm going too :) |
| 22:27:30 | wizly | where's any way to import vcards with gpe-contacts? |
| 22:48:21 | PaxAnima | dunno |
| 22:51:25 | PaxAnima | my address book can ;) |
| 23:03:16 | prpplague | is away: bike again |
| 23:04:09 | BadMind | hi |
| 23:37:34 | prpplague | is back (gone 00:34:18) |
