| 04:30:46 | colin_werk | Morning. |
| 06:28:19 | colin_werk | Hi mibus |
| 06:36:12 | mibus | hey |
| 06:36:18 | mibus | hows it going? |
| 06:38:45 | colin_werk | Doing okay :) |
| 06:38:50 | mibus | cool |
| 06:39:28 | colin_werk | mibus: You are always missing mallum here by a few minutes. I'm sure he would like to tell you that he wants you to make gpe-appmgr exit when asked :) |
| 06:39:43 | mibus | we've talked about it |
| 06:39:51 | mibus | if he asks again i'll tell him where to go ;) |
| 06:39:52 | colin_werk | We had quite some discussions about this here recently. |
| 06:39:58 | mibus | pb has also asked |
| 06:40:01 | colin_werk | Ah, okay. |
| 06:40:09 | mibus | basically, it takes too long to recreate all the widgets |
| 06:40:15 | mibus | like, 4-5s |
| 06:40:22 | mibus | so starting it should be (IMHO) a once-off |
| 06:40:33 | mibus | if it can be <0.5s i'd allow it :) |
| 06:40:35 | colin_werk | Yeah... |
| 06:40:40 | mibus | im *considering* making it an option |
| 06:40:56 | mibus | someone sent me a patch the other day that would minimize it if the X was clicked |
| 06:41:33 | colin_werk | It sometimes seems to re-read the menus for no apparent reason too, but I haven't found the cases when this occurs. |
| 06:41:44 | mibus | uh |
| 06:41:44 | colin_werk | Yeahm that patch was moray's probably. |
| 06:41:44 | mibus | no |
| 06:41:55 | mibus | i *could* check but im lazy |
| 06:42:11 | mibus | i didnt apply it 'cos it then disappears from matchbox's drop-down window list |
| 06:42:24 | mibus | it should read the menus (A) on load (B) on SIGHUP. |
| 06:42:31 | colin_werk | Yeah, that's what mallum said too. |
| 06:42:39 | mibus | said which? |
| 06:42:59 | colin_werk | That it disappears from the drop-down window list |
| 06:43:04 | mibus | some ipks run update-menus or send the HUP themselves |
| 06:43:06 | mibus | ah okay |
| 06:43:18 | colin_werk | mibus: I know about the SIGHUP |
| 06:43:21 | mibus | also, when you close gpe-appmgr-setup it gets a HUP |
| 06:43:45 | colin_werk | Still... it sits there, displaying nothing, but consuming a lot of CPU time |
| 06:43:57 | mibus | odd |
| 06:44:06 | mibus | can you try to narrow it down pleeeeease? :) |
| 06:45:58 | colin_werk | Will try. I *looks* like it's a sighup, but... |
| 06:46:10 | mibus | add a printf to the sighup handler |
| 06:46:12 | mibus | hmm |
| 06:46:19 | mibus | i think there's one if you -DDEBUG anyway |
| 06:46:20 | colin_werk | It does that for like 3 seconds, just like with a sighup |
| 06:46:33 | mibus | depends on the # of menu entries and stuff |
| 06:46:49 | colin_werk | Good, will play. I'll be away till Sunday tho. |
| 06:46:59 | mibus | fair 'nuff |
| 06:47:04 | mibus | where you going? |
| 06:47:28 | colin_werk | Open Air concert near where my parents live. Metal bands :) |
| 06:47:33 | mibus | cool |
| 06:47:48 | colin_werk | Hope the weather will be okay... |
| 06:51:37 | mibus | yeah |
| 06:51:48 | mibus | up to any hacking fun lately? |
| 06:52:01 | colin_werk | 67% chance of rain on Saturday, damn... |
| 06:52:10 | colin_werk | Just bugfixing :) |
| 06:52:30 | colin_werk | xcalibrate in the gpe-login didn't work, but we got that now |
| 06:53:13 | colin_werk | Then I want to make gpe-ownerinfo nicer, with a background image, but it's a GtkTable. Didn't you say a bg was hard to do for that? |
| 06:55:23 | mibus | ive never tried, but i dont know how it *would* be done |
| 06:56:08 | mibus | i dont remember seeing anything in the API docs |
| 06:56:12 | mibus | but i've never really looked. |
| 06:59:10 | colin_werk | Hmm. Well, I'll try next week. |
| 06:59:26 | mibus | take the API docs and a C compiler on your iPAQ :D |
| 06:59:48 | colin_werk | I could. I run from a 256MB CF entirely :) |
| 07:00:08 | mibus | intimate? |
| 07:00:15 | colin_werk | But then, I'd lose space for my oggs |
| 07:00:20 | mibus | ive got 128MB, mostly oggs ;) |
| 07:00:34 | colin_werk | No, just familiar with a dualboot setup |
| 07:00:46 | mibus | why dualboot? |
| 07:00:50 | colin_werk | I use wince for the Pocket Maps thing |
| 07:00:53 | mibus | dont tell me you use wince too! |
| 07:00:54 | mibus | eeek! |
| 07:01:05 | mibus | your dark dark secret is revealed! |
| 07:01:28 | colin_werk | Well, I almost never use it, but this map app is kinda nice :) |
| 07:02:09 | mibus | why not make a linux port/clone? |
| 07:10:10 | colin_werk | If I wasn't such a lame coder... |
| 07:10:16 | mibus | :) |
| 07:10:23 | colin_werk | Re-engineering that map database would be nice indeed. |
| 07:10:28 | mibus | ask one of the pygps guys if they have anything similar |
| 07:10:36 | mibus | id look at it if i had wince still :D |
| 07:10:38 | colin_werk | I did ask nelson |
| 07:10:53 | mibus | id assume its only some bizarre vector format |
| 07:11:01 | mibus | how big are the files |
| 07:11:03 | mibus | ? |
| 07:11:18 | colin_werk | What would be enough for me is if I had a nice offline image browsing tool |
| 07:11:29 | mibus | dillo? |
| 07:11:41 | colin_werk | 1MB-5MB for a city of 1 million inhabitants |
| 07:11:50 | mibus | eek |
| 07:11:59 | colin_werk | dillo is kinda okay, but it could be nicer |
| 07:12:01 | mibus | whats the smallest map you have? |
| 07:12:28 | colin_werk | mibus: It has lots of different information thjough, like restaurants, bus stations etc. |
| 07:12:53 | colin_werk | You create your won maps from the big app on the desktop, so you can make them as small as you want |
| 07:13:32 | mibus | cool |
| 07:13:34 | colin_werk | You can search for street names, and get restaurants near you |
| 07:13:51 | colin_werk | Pretty useful in an area you don' know |
| 07:14:24 | mibus | sounds it |
| 07:14:30 | mibus | commercial app? |
| 07:14:44 | colin_werk | Yeah. You get it in the M$ Works suite for instance |
| 07:15:12 | colin_werk | MS Streets & Trips in the US version, my european one is MS Autoroute. |
| 07:15:37 | mibus | looked in google for reversy engineery stuff WRT the file format? |
| 07:16:10 | colin_werk | Of course, the format changed between those, and it "upgraded" my wince app for me, so that it can't read the older maps anymore. Thanks M$. |
| 07:16:19 | colin_werk | mibus: Yeah, I did. Nothing found... |
| 07:16:31 | mibus | bummer |
| 07:16:35 | mibus | looked into it yourself? |
| 07:16:45 | colin_werk | No. Not yet. |
| 07:17:38 | colin_werk | I don't know much C, and I also have no experience in coding *such* stuff especially |
| 07:19:44 | mibus | 'such'? |
| 07:21:25 | colin_werk | Well, parsing a vector format in binary form etc... |
| 07:21:58 | colin_werk | Drawing some GTK widgets, okay, but everything beyond that... |
| 07:24:03 | mibus | if you want me too have a quick look i will |
| 07:24:06 | mibus | but i doubt i can do much |
| 07:25:09 | colin_werk | I can export a very small map and send it to you. Thanks for the offer. |
| 07:26:22 | mibus | export a blank one if you can |
| 07:26:25 | colin_werk | The map image could maybe come from mapquest or whereever initially, and our app would just map street names and points of interest to long/lat. |
| 07:26:28 | mibus | then a *very* simple one :) |
| 07:26:40 | mibus | how's one street? ;) |
| 07:26:43 | colin_werk | Okay. Hope the tool will let me. |
| 07:27:13 | mibus | basically, try to 'build up' a very small map - blank, one street, two streets, three, three and a restaurant |
| 07:27:15 | mibus | ... |
| 07:27:18 | mibus | and ill look over it |
| 07:27:31 | mibus | if its dead-simple, i'll let you know :D |
| 07:27:43 | colin_werk | Okay. I'll make screenshots too to show what you are seeing. |
| 07:27:50 | colin_werk | Thanks. |
| 07:28:18 | mibus | cool |
| 07:28:32 | mibus | no probs, always like to help people get off their Win[XX] dependencies |
| 07:28:37 | mibus | worse than drugs :D |
| 07:28:52 | colin_werk | :) |
| 07:31:58 | mibus | colin_werk: so where are you (country-wise) |
| 07:32:02 | mibus | hey phil |
| 07:32:05 | pb_ | morning |
| 07:32:07 | pb_ | hey mibus |
| 07:32:18 | mibus | morning, heh ;) |
| 07:32:23 | pb_ | :-) |
| 07:32:34 | mibus | its like 6:20PM :P |
| 07:33:14 | colin_werk | mibus: Germany |
| 07:33:21 | mibus | im from .au |
| 07:33:59 | colin_werk | Yeah, I know... gotta go there one day |
| 07:34:15 | mibus | youre welcome to visit me |
| 07:34:23 | colin_werk | Cool |
| 07:34:23 | mibus | dc's the only person i've met so far |
| 07:34:35 | mibus | it sucks being so far from everyone :D |
| 07:34:49 | mibus | it seems that GPE is a very europey thing |
| 07:35:01 | mibus | you german, pommie, or other? |
| 07:35:05 | colin_werk | Just by accident... |
| 07:35:13 | colin_werk | German, yes |
| 07:35:47 | colin_werk | Most people being in Europe helps IRC communication though |
| 07:35:50 | pb_ | yeah, for some reason it seems that like 80% of the people working on handhelds are from Germany :-) |
| 07:36:16 | mibus | or england |
| 07:36:21 | pb_ | true. |
| 07:36:24 | colin_werk | pb_: the OPIE guys maybe, because of the string KDE influence... |
| 07:36:24 | mibus | pb, mallum, dc are all poms |
| 07:36:44 | colin_werk | moray too |
| 07:37:03 | mibus | moray -> pom or german? |
| 07:37:08 | pb_ | pom. |
| 07:37:12 | mibus | ah |
| 07:37:14 | mibus | wow |
| 07:37:20 | mibus | no wonder no-one visits me :D |
| 07:37:38 | pb_ | mccarthy was in Sydney a couple of weeks back |
| 07:37:46 | mibus | if i were with you guys id get everyone to bring laptops/ipaqs/etc. to a pub in the middle of london and code all saturday :D |
| 07:37:49 | colin_werk | Nils is german though, and I work with a guy who went to uni with him |
| 07:37:56 | mibus | heh |
| 07:40:07 | colin_werk | mibus: You can go and meet raster :) |
| 07:40:27 | mibus | is he back in .au? |
| 07:40:32 | mibus | did they throw him out? :D |
| 07:40:43 | colin_werk | Guess so. |
| 07:40:48 | colin_werk | He is back, yes |
| 07:41:00 | colin_werk | Sydney too IIRC |
| 07:42:10 | mibus | a bit far to go for a quick chat though :D |
| 07:42:16 | pb_ | heh |
| 07:42:36 | mibus | last i heard anything he was in the US, having troubles getting a credit card |
| 07:42:57 | mibus | though that was before rusty russell moved from adelaide |
| 07:43:04 | mibus | so it was a couple of years ago |
| 07:43:48 | mibus | anyone else in .au? |
| 07:43:49 | mibus | hmm |
| 07:44:05 | mibus | maybe all the GPE people can put their names on a page with approx. locations :D |
| 07:44:24 | mibus | five dots in london, two in germany, and one aaaaaaall the way down here ;) |
| 07:44:31 | pb_ | ah, good plan, some kind of GPE world map. |
| 07:44:45 | mibus | yeah |
| 07:44:56 | pb_ | plus mccarthy out on his own in Pittsburgh |
| 07:44:58 | mibus | colin_werk: gonna email me those maps or what? |
| 07:45:06 | mibus | pittsburgh? as in US? |
| 07:45:09 | pb_ | yeah. |
| 07:45:22 | pb_ | mccarthy is a merkin. |
| 07:46:57 | mibus | i say 'acamerian' ;) |
| 07:47:18 | colin_werk | mibus: Well, I'm at work, and I don't have the stuff here. Will be a few hours til I get home. |
| 07:47:58 | colin_werk | Let's make an input file for xplanet :) |
| 07:47:58 | mibus | ah ok |
| 07:48:04 | mibus | mibus@bigpond.com or mibus@handhelds.org |
| 07:48:12 | mibus | (hh redirects to the first one anyway) |
| 07:48:36 | colin_werk | Erez Doron is kind of a GPE guy too now, so he is also american I think |
| 07:48:45 | colin_werk | s/so// |
| 07:49:34 | colin_werk | And then there is Luc. French? |
| 07:49:43 | colin_werk | Canadian? |
| 07:49:54 | mibus | what's this, making a list?? |
| 07:50:00 | mibus | maybe we should, and put it in CVS |
| 07:50:06 | mibus | want me to start? |
| 07:50:16 | colin_werk | Why not... :) |
| 07:50:39 | colin_werk | Collecting long/lat would be nice |
| 07:51:10 | pb_ | No idea about Luc, actually. He seems to be in a GMT+3 timezone judging from his emails. |
| 07:51:31 | mibus | europe somewhere then |
| 07:51:33 | mibus | i guess |
| 07:51:47 | mibus | too far east for france, surely? |
| 07:51:58 | pb_ | Yeah, France is on GMT+2 at the moment. |
| 07:52:01 | pb_ | Looks like Finland maybe. |
| 07:52:13 | colin_werk | Stuttgart, Germany, lat 48.767, long 9.183 |
| 07:52:59 | colin_werk | Data gotten from http://www.heavens-above.com/ |
| 07:54:08 | pb_ | Cambridge, England, lat/long +0521520 / +000643 according to db.debian.org |
| 07:54:58 | mibus | half of my stuff is randomly segfaulting ATM |
| 07:55:02 | mibus | i hope its software :D |
| 07:55:05 | pb_ | :-/ |
| 07:55:11 | pb_ | what kind of stuff? |
| 07:55:16 | mibus | X |
| 07:55:18 | mibus | mozilla |
| 07:55:23 | mibus | gnome-terminal |
| 07:55:24 | mibus | xterm |
| 07:55:26 | mibus | galeon |
| 07:56:27 | colin_werk | http://xplanet.sourceforge.net/ |
| 07:56:47 | pb_ | mibus: wow, loads of stuff then. |
| 07:57:53 | mibus | oh yeah |
| 07:57:55 | mibus | you name it |
| 07:58:03 | mibus | ive had some fs corruption too |
| 07:58:08 | mibus | very not happy |
| 07:58:09 | pb_ | hell. |
| 07:58:22 | pb_ | sounds nearly as bad as mallum's recent experiences. |
| 07:58:29 | mibus | yeah |
| 07:58:44 | mibus | only X w/ nvidia drivers was crashing before i got the new mobo |
| 07:58:58 | pb_ | the nvidia binary drivers? |
| 07:58:58 | mibus | now everything is |
| 07:59:36 | mibus | i think i got fs corruption when i used the new mobo 'cos i had all the hdparm options on :D |
| 07:59:43 | pb_ | ha. |
| 07:59:53 | mibus | DMA, unmasked interrupts, 32bit, multicount, readahead... |
| 08:00:35 | mibus | i switched to xfree's 'nv' drivers |
| 08:00:53 | pb_ | yeah, the "nv" drivers work a lot better for me than the nvidia ones. |
| 08:00:54 | mibus | i cant build G2D CVS either, it segfaults after a while :( |
| 08:01:15 | mibus | the fan on the gf2 is noisy at startup for ~15s |
| 08:01:34 | mibus | so im wondering if its overheating and causing more problems |
| 08:03:24 | pb_ | mmm, sounds like it could be. |
| 08:03:42 | mibus | its possible the ram or m/b is broken though |
| 08:03:47 | mibus | but win98 is stable for once :D |
| 08:04:08 | mibus | gotta go eat |
| 08:04:08 | mibus | be back |
| 08:15:49 | mibus | wow |
| 08:15:55 | mibus | lots of conversation while i was away :D |
| 08:17:00 | pb_ | clearly you're the life and soul of the party. |
| 08:17:05 | mibus | oh yeah |
| 08:17:08 | mibus | or im just noisy :) |
| 08:17:21 | pb_ | one of the two :-) |
| 08:17:32 | pb_ | I was just looking at this weird "datatype mismatch" thing in gpe-contacts. Very bizarre. |
| 08:17:35 | mibus | my mother keeps on telling me i'm the latter :) |
| 08:17:37 | mibus | yeah? |
| 08:17:52 | mibus | i was miffed when i upgraded gpe-todo and it couldnt see all the old data :( |
| 08:18:13 | pb_ | Your old data will still be there, someone just needs to write a conversion script to move it across. |
| 08:18:19 | mibus | i know |
| 08:18:27 | mibus | 'strings' would do but it wasnt installed :) |
| 08:18:30 | mibus | neither was 'less' |
| 08:18:37 | mibus | and 'more' got shitty with it :) |
| 08:18:45 | pb_ | I think sqlite has some kind of "dump" command. |
| 08:18:53 | pb_ | lemme check. |
| 08:19:06 | mibus | sqlite console isnt installed though? |
| 08:19:20 | pb_ | hmm, it is on my ipaq |
| 08:19:34 | pb_ | it's in the "sqlite" package. |
| 08:19:52 | mibus | i thought it needed libncurses5? |
| 08:19:56 | mibus | which i know i dont have |
| 08:19:59 | mibus | cos gdb won't run |
| 08:20:08 | mibus | (reinstalled with fam0.6pre1) |
| 08:20:14 | pb_ | oh yeah, it does. |
| 08:20:27 | pb_ | well, ncurses5 is in familiar, and it's not all that big. |
| 08:20:28 | mibus | lemme check |
| 08:20:39 | mibus | i know, less and gdb need it |
| 08:20:41 | mibus | gdb is on flash |
| 08:20:46 | mibus | and im installing less now |
| 08:20:59 | mibus | wtf - its upgrading busybox |
| 08:21:07 | mibus | oh yeah ive got a busybox bug... |
| 08:21:11 | pb_ | oh yes? |
| 08:21:13 | mibus | "su" as a normal user doesnt work! |
| 08:21:22 | pb_ | sounds like you're missing the setuid bit. |
| 08:21:28 | pb_ | I thought the postinst took care of that these days. |
| 08:21:42 | mibus | sqlite is installed, but it needs libreadline.so.4 |
| 08:21:52 | pb_ | Once you have sqlite console working, the command you need seems to be ".dump todo_items" |
| 08:22:27 | pb_ | oh yeah, you're right, it needs readline too. :-/ |
| 08:22:30 | pb_ | well, ipkg install libreadline4 |
| 08:22:57 | mibus | will do, once 'less' is installed |
| 08:23:05 | mibus | its installing a new busybox and its taking its time |
| 08:23:17 | mibus | at least i wont run out of space (4MB free!) |
| 08:23:29 | mibus | BTW, is gpe-soundbite *supposed* to work? |
| 08:24:07 | mibus | im running familiar/unstable version of it, whenever i play a recording back it's missing 8/10ths of it (sounds like it's running fast, but i dont think its a speed issue) |
| 08:25:43 | pb_ | where are you trying to record to? |
| 08:26:28 | mibus | flash |
| 08:26:32 | mibus | (internal flash) |
| 08:26:36 | pb_ | that's no good, you need to record to ramdisk. |
| 08:26:37 | mibus | not fast enough? |
| 08:26:39 | mibus | ahhhhh |
| 08:26:55 | mibus | the default (when you press the 'record' button on the ipaq) is ~/ |
| 08:26:57 | pb_ | yeah, the write latency on flash is too long. |
| 08:27:07 | pb_ | I think the default should be ~/ramdisk on the latest soundbite. |
| 08:27:12 | mibus | CF card likely to be any good? |
| 08:27:23 | pb_ | worth a go, but I suspect it will have the same problem. |
| 08:27:33 | pb_ | certainly my CF card doesn't seem to be noticeably faster than the internal flash. |
| 08:29:06 | mibus | ram buffering seems to make it OK if the clip is 1-2s long :) |
| 08:29:11 | mibus | ramdisk fixes it though |
| 08:29:15 | pb_ | cool. |
| 08:29:28 | mibus | mebbe it should record to /tmp/ then move over to ~/ as fast as possible? |
| 08:29:44 | pb_ | well, recording to ~/ramdisk/ should be safe enough for most people. |
| 08:29:57 | pb_ | you can always move them manually if you plan on wiping out your ramdisk. |
| 08:30:22 | mibus | i assume the ramdisk is very volatile, i reboot alot :) |
| 08:30:45 | pb_ | if you just do "soft" reboots, and you have plenty of ram, you could consider using nvrd. |
| 08:30:48 | mibus | i always forget to umount NFS from /mnt/pc, so whenever I go to /mnt it freezes and I reset it |
| 08:30:57 | pb_ | ah. |
| 08:31:05 | pb_ | you should be able to use "umount -f" to recover from that. |
| 08:31:16 | mibus | if X is responding enough to get you a terminal! |
| 08:31:48 | pb_ | Yeah. Do you find that X actually locks up? |
| 08:32:13 | mibus | i dont *think* so |
| 08:32:29 | mibus | the pointer can move |
| 08:32:30 | pb_ | It certainly shouldn't. Only the process that is actually trying to access /mnt/pc ought to hang. |
| 08:32:47 | mibus | but the app (usually gpe-media or dillo) freezes horribly (gtk filesel is up) |
| 08:32:59 | mibus | *sometimes* i can get to a term and umount -f |
| 08:33:08 | pb_ | okay. |
| 08:33:12 | mibus | but sometimes X/matchbox wont let me do anything |
| 08:33:19 | pb_ | if you find yourself in a situation where you can't get to a term, I'd be interested to hear about it. |
| 08:33:28 | mibus | maybe I should change keylaunch to run 'umount -f ...' :) |
| 08:33:31 | pb_ | matchbox should always let you switch windows, even if the client is wedged. |
| 08:33:37 | mibus | actually, I should make it a suspend-script |
| 08:33:41 | mibus | duh |
| 08:33:44 | mibus | brilliant idea |
| 08:33:47 | pb_ | ah yes, that would be a smart move. |
| 08:33:54 | mibus | btw, have you tried gpe-mail? |
| 08:33:57 | mibus | very cool. |
| 08:33:59 | pb_ | no, not yet. |
| 08:34:05 | pb_ | it doesn't sound like it would suit me very well. |
| 08:34:15 | mibus | i run imap on my desktop anyway, so i just plugged in the settings, and it got my mail for me. |
| 08:34:16 | mibus | why not? |
| 08:34:23 | pb_ | I want an "online" imap client, not one that needs you to download all your mail to the ipaq. |
| 08:34:30 | pb_ | or can gpe-mail work like that nowadays? |
| 08:34:32 | mibus | ah |
| 08:34:34 | mibus | i dont :) |
| 08:34:55 | pb_ | right. |
| 08:34:59 | mibus | didnt someone write a mini imap-to-webmail script that could run on the ipaq? |
| 08:35:11 | mibus | or maybe you can change gpe-mail to be better :) |
| 08:35:12 | pb_ | probably, but I don't especially want webmail either. :-/ |
| 08:35:24 | mibus | i love it the way it is myself |
| 08:35:28 | pb_ | althea is almost right, it's just a bit large and the UI is rather clunky. |
| 08:35:32 | mibus | the last week's emails, provided they arent too big |
| 08:35:40 | mibus | libgladify it :) |
| 08:36:00 | pb_ | yeah, the trouble is that I usually get a couple of hundred emails a day, and at least some of them are almost guaranteed to have big attachments. |
| 08:36:10 | mallum | hi |
| 08:36:13 | pb_ | yo mallum |
| 08:36:29 | mibus | hey dude |
| 08:36:41 | mibus | eek! |
| 08:36:43 | mibus | hmm |
| 08:36:46 | mallum | anyone locked matchbox 0.3.3 ? |
| 08:36:58 | mibus | pb_: dc says something about working with arm machines alot, what is it you do? |
| 08:37:08 | dc_ | :/ |
| 08:37:09 | mibus | mallum: no, in unstable yet? |
| 08:37:11 | mibus | hey dc_ |
| 08:37:16 | mibus | whats up? |
| 08:37:17 | mallum | yes in unstbale |
| 08:37:22 | mallum | hey dc_ |
| 08:37:34 | mibus | d/l'ing now |
| 08:37:43 | mibus | mallum: anything interesting |
| 08:37:45 | mibus | ? |
| 08:37:58 | mallum | pb_: I updated the xkbd package BTW with a bigger font ( and released a xkbd-nonxft ipkg ) |
| 08:37:59 | pb_ | yo dc_ |
| 08:38:04 | pb_ | mallum: cool |
| 08:38:11 | pb_ | mibus: I, er, work with arm machines a lot :-/ |
| 08:38:30 | mallum | mibus: nothing major in 0.3.3 release |
| 08:38:47 | mibus | pb_: so why all the email w/ big attatchments, or dont you want to say? |
| 08:39:14 | mallum | mibus: pb patches for cursor hiding and better xrm handling - monoluanch improved a little ( now moves when pressed ) - dock bubbles improved a little |
| 08:39:22 | dc_ | hey guys. |
| 08:39:23 | mallum | mibus: oh and standalone now builds ok |
| 08:39:25 | pb_ | mibus: nothing very exciting, a mixture of work stuff, viruses, big patches, that kind of thing. |
| 08:39:35 | pb_ | dc_: what's the news? |
| 08:39:37 | mibus | pb_: and any cheap(/free) ARM machines to throw my way ;) ? |
| 08:39:42 | mibus | dc_: hey there |
| 08:39:57 | dc_ | mibus: :) |
| 08:39:58 | pb_ | mibus: might be able to get you some cheap netwinders. |
| 08:40:06 | dc_ | perks up |
| 08:40:19 | mibus | pb_: how cheap, im a student :) |
| 08:40:27 | pb_ | mibus: hmm, not sure, I'll have to ask. |
| 08:40:27 | mallum | pb_: 50p ? |
| 08:40:28 | dc_ | pb_: ;) |
| 08:40:35 | mibus | asks dc_ what's happening saturday |
| 08:40:38 | dc_ | pb_: I'd be interested to. |
| 08:40:49 | pb_ | mibus: Simtec seem to occasionally offer CATS boards too, dunno exactly what the deal would be with those. |
| 08:40:51 | mibus | dc_: cool, ill take your laptop... |
| 08:41:12 | mibus | im not really after one per se but wouldnt mind one to stick in a corner and play with |
| 08:41:20 | mibus | if you know what i mean :) |
| 08:41:29 | mibus | it'd be nice for native compiles too, id imagine |
| 08:41:32 | pb_ | yeah. |
| 08:41:38 | mallum | dc_: theres a rumour that the the 667 tibooks will do 800Mhz and that the speed is controllable by software |
| 08:41:44 | mibus | yum |
| 08:42:11 | mibus | dc suggested to me monday that we convice HP to give us all new iPAQs to, uh, "optimise" GPE for :) |
| 08:42:18 | dc_ | mallum: woow... |
| 08:42:43 | mibus | i like the monolaunch change, very neat :) |
| 08:42:47 | dc_ | mibus: afters pb's ;) |
| 08:42:57 | dc_ | mibus: my laptop! |
| 08:42:59 | dc_ | ;) |
| 08:43:16 | mallum | mibus: cool ;) |
| 08:43:22 | dc_ | mibus: I connected it upto the 1337 sound system here today, but I really do need rhythmbox |
| 08:43:24 | dc_ | mibus: oh an! |
| 08:43:32 | dc_ | mibus: you fixed my gnome2 :D |
| 08:43:33 | mibus | ? |
| 08:43:38 | mibus | dc_: cool! |
| 08:43:38 | dc_ | mibus: bet you didn 't know that ;p |
| 08:43:41 | mibus | the update went OK? |
| 08:43:51 | dc_ | mibus: the debs work. |
| 08:43:54 | mallum | pb_: oh yeah last night I installed gpe-todo and gpe-sketchbook, but they both segfualt on me :( |
| 08:43:56 | mibus | dc_: given i didnt see you since i scp'ed 5.5GB to you... |
| 08:43:59 | pb_ | mallum: hell! |
| 08:44:00 | dc_ | mibus: when I started X after I came home |
| 08:44:08 | pb_ | mallum: gpe-sketchbook segfaults for me too, but todo works. |
| 08:44:14 | mibus | dc_: must be my natural charm :) |
| 08:44:20 | mibus | dc_: do those commits? |
| 08:44:28 | dc_ | mibus: I think so :) |
| 08:44:28 | mallum | pb_: todo seemed to segfualt when I went to save an entry |
| 08:44:32 | pb_ | mallum: hmm |
| 08:44:40 | dc_ | mibus: right now, jamey added my key, just lemme find the laptop. |
| 08:44:40 | dc_ | brb. |
| 08:44:41 | pb_ | mallum: todo 0.20 is admittedly not very well tested. |
| 08:44:46 | pb_ | mallum: can you get me a backtrace? |
| 08:44:48 | mallum | pb_: ther are loads of gpe apps now :))) |
| 08:45:03 | mibus | oh btw, gpe-todo (at one stage) wouldnt close a window if you deleted a todo. click 'delete' again and BOOM |
| 08:45:03 | mallum | pb_: sure, ipaq not on me at the moment but will do it later |
| 08:45:09 | mallum | pb_: I can strace it too |
| 08:45:15 | mibus | dillo in unstable doesn't have an icon yet AFAICT |
| 08:45:23 | mibus | nor is 'windowtitle' set. |
| 08:45:24 | pb_ | mallum: strace is probably not that interesting, catchsegv would be better. |
| 08:45:40 | mallum | catchsegv ? not gdb ? |
| 08:45:40 | pb_ | mibus: right on both counts I think. I'll make a new package today. |
| 08:45:51 | pb_ | mallum: gdb is even better. |
| 08:46:20 | pb_ | mibus: hmm, sounds like gpe-todo is a bit of a disaster then. |
| 08:46:41 | pb_ | mibus: if you can still reproduce that one, file it in bugzilla. |
| 08:46:42 | mallum | pb_: ohh I didn't know about catchsegv .... just reading the tiny manpage |
| 08:46:48 | mibus | i havent checked it recently though |
| 08:46:52 | mibus | why not use gdb?? |
| 08:46:57 | mibus | new xkbd is nice |
| 08:47:09 | mallum | mibus: thanks |
| 08:47:18 | mibus | imho you should handle 'person taps on xkbd launcer then moves off and lets go' case properly :) |
| 08:48:03 | mallum | mibus: yeah, I will do that eventually |
| 08:48:06 | mibus | BTW i cvs'ed up "html/globe.shtml" for ppl to fill in |
| 08:48:14 | mallum | mibus: buttons in matchbox work like that |
| 08:48:21 | pb_ | mallum: it might be kind of nice if repeatedly clicking on mmenu would toggle the menu on and off. |
| 08:48:30 | pb_ | mallum: same for the bubbles on things like minitime. |
| 08:48:46 | mibus | mallum: have you looked at the iconified-window-isnt-in-window-list "problem"? |
| 08:49:16 | mallum | pb_: yeah I've tried to get that working ( mmenu ) but I havn't a fix yet. I've also noticed some problem with mmenu's layout .... |
| 08:49:23 | mallum | mibus: fixed in 0.3.3 |
| 08:49:27 | pb_ | mibus: cool, I'll add myself immediately. |
| 08:50:01 | mallum | pb_: bubbles now timeout in 0.3.3 ( 5 secs ) |
| 08:50:13 | pb_ | mallum: oh right, nice. |
| 08:50:15 | mibus | mallum: very cool! |
| 08:50:18 | mallum | oh yeah, is miniapm running for people in 0.3.3 ? |
| 08:50:28 | mibus | hmmm, no... |
| 08:50:44 | mibus | wont start :( |
| 08:50:52 | mibus | you broke my miniapm! you bastard! ;P |
| 08:51:00 | mallum | muhahahaha |
| 08:51:04 | mallum | damn |
| 08:51:22 | pb_ | hmm, I get |
| 08:51:25 | pb_ | miniapm: error while loading shared libraries: libapm.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 08:51:30 | mibus | mallum: time for 0.3.3dammit |
| 08:51:41 | mibus | thats the one! |
| 08:51:45 | mibus | 0.3.3-2 i meant :) |
| 08:51:50 | mallum | pb_: yeah automake decided not to build that statically in |
| 08:51:59 | pb_ | mallum: shouldn't we just package up the shared library? |
| 08:52:09 | pb_ | mallum: sounds like something ipaq-sleep could maybe use as well. |
| 08:52:38 | mibus | one or the other before i go to bed, or i'll have to kick yer ass ;) |
| 08:53:03 | mallum | pb_: yeah, it used to only exist on my build system as a .a so it would gvet statically built - I guess the apt upgrade before the build changed that ... |
| 08:53:28 | mibus | mallum: bad bad bad boy. go to your room and fix it! :P |
| 08:53:32 | mibus | *hint* |
| 08:53:34 | mibus | ;) |
| 08:53:38 | mallum | :P |
| 08:54:57 | mibus | am i the only one noticing that gpe-mail in CVS doesnt match the ipk at all? |
| 08:55:11 | mibus | i can't see any non-UI code *at* *all* in gpe-mail CVS |
| 08:55:27 | pb_ | mallum: libapm is only a 10k shared library, you want me to make an ipk for it? |
| 08:55:40 | mibus | nor is there a menu entry (i was about to change the name) |
| 08:55:46 | mibus | pb_: do it! |
| 08:55:51 | mallum | pb_: yeah sure |
| 08:56:09 | mallum | pb_: I only need to update the package version number then ;) |
| 08:56:14 | mibus | mallum: and add libapm as a dependency or everyone will get annoyed... i was surprised how many ppl noticed that gpe-appmgr didn't ask for libgtk1.2! |
| 08:56:32 | mallum | mibus: sure, dont worry |
| 08:57:27 | mibus | hehe |
| 08:57:31 | pb_ | dc_: get anywhere with improving the default GPE setup for new installs? |
| 08:57:35 | mibus | dc_: still there? whats happening this weekend? |
| 08:58:07 | dc_ | right. |
| 08:58:13 | dc_ | found the laptop |
| 08:58:28 | dc_ | mibus: sadly enough, we have family around :{ |
| 08:59:02 | mibus | dc_: saturday? bummer :( |
| 08:59:26 | mibus | dc_: i added you to "html/globe.shtml" as being in "London, England" btw |
| 09:01:09 | dc_ | mibus: cool thanks. |
| 09:01:17 | dc_ | mibus: yeah, we're having a party :/ |
| 09:01:20 | dc_ | pitty :/ |
| 09:01:23 | dc_ | anyway. |
| 09:01:29 | dc_ | here comes the massive commit. |
| 09:02:13 | pb_ | libapm1 is uploaded. |
| 09:02:22 | pb_ | as per my SOP, it's not tested at all. |
| 09:03:00 | mibus | dc_: changelogs done!!?? |
| 09:03:03 | mibus | dc_: :P |
| 09:03:12 | pb_ | mibus: let's hope so, or dc_ is in for a kicking. |
| 09:03:30 | mallum | pb cool, I'll just make matchbox dep on 'libapm1' |
| 09:03:31 | mibus | pb_: right. ill go over to his house and do it in person :) |
| 09:03:44 | mibus | dc_: done changelogs, runt? ;) |
| 09:03:49 | pb_ | mallum: sounds good. |
| 09:04:39 | mibus | dc_: any chance of skipping the party, or maybe coming over friday avo/night? |
| 09:05:05 | mibus | dc_: also, pb knows why gpe-soundbite doesnt work - flash isnt fast enough! it has to go to the ramdisk |
| 09:05:50 | dc_ | mibus: ah I could possibly some friday :) |
| 09:05:52 | dc_ | I'll ask later. |
| 09:05:58 | dc_ | mibus: hrm, silly flash |
| 09:06:01 | dc_ | brb. |
| 09:07:02 | pb_ | mibus: can you check the latest soundbite, make sure the default location has been corrected? |
| 09:07:21 | pb_ | mibus: if not, we may need to despatch a deputation up north to give moray a kicking too. |
| 09:08:08 | mallum | dc_: hey I got a rip of spiderman yesterday, wanna borrow it ? ;P |
| 09:08:34 | mallum | pb_: why does moray need a kicking ? |
| 09:08:54 | pb_ | mallum: let's not jump the gun, he may not need one after all. |
| 09:09:03 | mibus | mallum: dc_ won't fully appreciate once scene, but I guess it won't show little bumps in the rip so well :) |
| 09:09:25 | pb_ | mallum: I thought he was going to change soundbite to record into ramdisk rather than flash as default. |
| 09:09:30 | mibus | soundbite 0.09999 (latest in unstable) is ~/ |
| 09:09:35 | pb_ | hmm. |
| 09:12:04 | pb_ | ah, what version of keylaunch do you have? |
| 09:12:23 | pb_ | it looks like moray fixed it in keylaunchrc, rather than gpe-soundbite itself. |
| 09:16:20 | mibus | pb_: logging out/in... |
| 09:16:36 | mibus | yup, fixed |
| 09:16:49 | pb_ | aha, cool. |
| 09:16:49 | mibus | much better |
| 09:16:57 | pb_ | no kicking required then, phew. |
| 09:17:11 | mibus | is gpe-calendar supposed to have working alarms BTW? |
| 09:17:15 | mibus | cos mine never go off |
| 09:17:24 | pb_ | not sure, you'd have to take that up with mccarthy. |
| 09:17:31 | pb_ | I _think_ they're supposed to work via uscheduled. |
| 09:18:26 | pb_ | gpe-calendar is getting close to the top of my list of things to do again, I might look at it later in the week. |
| 09:18:48 | mibus | pb_: cool, get someone to add recurrences while you're at it :) |
| 09:19:19 | pb_ | yeah, recurrences are tricky. |
| 09:19:28 | pb_ | but they're certainly something we ought to have. |
| 09:19:55 | pb_ | also, we want to be able to have recurring things in gpe-todo. |
| 09:20:14 | mibus | in todo? cool idea, love it! |
| 09:21:00 | pb_ | I just installed the libapm1 package by the way, it does seem to make miniapm work again. |
| 09:21:30 | mallum | pb_: cool ;) |
| 09:22:07 | mallum | pb_: miniapm should start producing red balloons when battery level gets really low <20 mins left |
| 09:22:07 | mibus | time to ipkg update *again*, fourth or fifth time today... ;) |
| 09:22:18 | pb_ | mallum: yeah. |
| 09:22:27 | mibus | mallum: cool, love it. i was going to ask for it :) |
| 09:22:31 | pb_ | mallum: it might be nice if miniapm could talk to ipaq-sleep and act as some kind of frontend for it. |
| 09:22:33 | mibus | that and a warning noise... |
| 09:22:47 | pb_ | mallum: so that you would get a warning when ipaq-sleep was about to shut you down due to being out of juice. |
| 09:23:01 | mallum | pb_, mibus : yeah both great ideas |
| 09:23:28 | mibus | does ipaq-sleep auto-shutdown in low power? |
| 09:23:35 | pb_ | mibus: yes, the latest version does. |
| 09:23:54 | mallum | pb_: is ipaq sleep all c now ? |
| 09:24:11 | pb_ | mallum: ipaq-sleep itself is. The isgui frontend thing is python still, I think. |
| 09:24:28 | mallum | pb_: ah, I didn't even know there was a front end to it |
| 09:24:33 | pb_ | see gpe/base/isgui/DONT_WRITE_GPE_APPS_IN_PYTHON_PLEASE |
| 09:24:34 | mibus | mallum, pb_: miniapm works now |
| 09:24:39 | mallum | pb_: are there any docs on it |
| 09:24:45 | pb_ | mallum: don't think so. |
| 09:25:36 | pb_ | mallum: I think the frontend is really just a config file editor for /etc/ipaq-sleep.conf |
| 09:25:37 | mallum | pb_: BTW there are some draft docs for xkbd here ; http://handhelds.org/~mallum/xkbd/manual/ |
| 09:25:37 | pb_ | wahey |
| 09:26:23 | mallum | pb_: can you get ipaq sleeep to not sleep when Im SSHing in and its on usb charging power ? |
| 09:26:35 | pb_ | mallum: ipaq-sleep should never sleep when you're on AC power. |
| 09:26:51 | mallum | pb_: mine does when its getting power through my usb cable |
| 09:26:59 | mibus | its an option |
| 09:26:59 | pb_ | mallum: does that report as "AC on" in /proc/apm? |
| 09:27:19 | mallum | pb_: hmm, not sure I'll check, but the charging led flashes |
| 09:27:32 | mibus | pb_: btw, no alarm w/ latest 'unstable' uschedule and gpe-calendar |
| 09:27:48 | mallum | pb_: and miniapm knows its getting charged |
| 09:28:40 | pb_ | mallum: okay, I'll have a look at it. |
| 09:29:17 | pb_ | mallum: ipaq-sleep certainly isn't sleeping for me when the ipaq is in the cradle. |
| 09:29:44 | mallum | pb_: hmm, it just greps /proc/apm to figure out its state ? |
| 09:30:02 | mibus | mallum: any chance of making the xstroke dock be usable on transparent parts? |
| 09:30:20 | pb_ | mallum: yeah. It should probably use libapm now that we have that. |
| 09:30:22 | mallum | mibus: it'll happen but not for a while ..... |
| 09:30:43 | mallum | pb_: yeah libapm is better IMHO. |
| 09:30:55 | pb_ | mallum: I'll convert it this evening, maybe that will fix your problem. |
| 09:31:12 | mallum | pb_: cool |
| 09:31:39 | mibus | mallum: also, if xstroke is active, the cursor *always* starts with the pencil symbol, even on a non-writing area |
| 09:31:47 | mallum | pb_: though the problem is more my messed up install, will reflash when 0.6.1 released ;) |
| 09:31:49 | mibus | mallum: its very disconcerting to leave it on alot :) |
| 09:32:15 | mallum | mibus: blame cworth |
| 09:32:23 | mallum | mibus: I just changed the dock |
| 09:33:22 | mibus | anyone got gcc as ipks? |
| 09:33:38 | mibus | mallum: 0.6 or 0.6.1?? |
| 09:33:49 | mibus | blames cworth |
| 09:34:00 | mibus | mallum: didnt help, still broken ;) |
| 09:34:03 | wizly | hi |
| 09:34:07 | mibus | hi |
| 09:34:20 | pb_ | hmm, automatic cursor hiding is still not working :-( |
| 09:34:23 | mibus | wow gtk2 is biiiig |
| 09:34:36 | mibus | im glad im installing it to CF :) |
| 09:34:46 | pb_ | mibus: yeah :-/ |
| 09:36:10 | colin_werk | APM warning sounds should be handled by isoundd |
| 09:36:22 | mibus | isoundd? |
| 09:36:23 | mibus | esound? |
| 09:37:05 | colin_werk | isoundd, see the wiki |
| 09:37:28 | colin_werk | Hi wizly |
| 09:37:32 | mallum | mibus: 0.6.1 ;P |
| 09:37:33 | mibus | colin_werk: nah, im lazy. besides, ignorance is bliss :) |
| 09:38:04 | mibus | mallum: 0.6pre1 is cool, I've got ~4MB of flash free. Compared to 600-800kb with 0.5.2, I'm very happy :) |
| 09:38:50 | mallum | mibus: excellent |
| 09:39:08 | wizly | gpe runs well on 16+16MB ipaq? |
| 09:39:18 | pb_ | argh, session-script is blowing away the Xrdb database :-/ |
| 09:39:29 | mibus | pb_: grr, gpe-edit-gtk2 doesnt work! |
| 09:39:48 | mibus | wizly: I have 16MB flash & 32MB RAM, runs fine. |
| 09:40:06 | mibus | wizly: familiar 0.5.2 takes up more space though, which is a bummer |
| 09:40:35 | wizly | mibus: my problem was about free RAM... not enought to run apps... I'll try gpe |
| 09:40:38 | pb_ | mibus: what's wrong with it? |
| 09:40:48 | mibus | pb_: segfault on start :( |
| 09:40:53 | pb_ | oh dear. |
| 09:41:07 | colin_werk | BTW, wizly was out trusty bugfinder for storm, let's see what he finds in GPE :) |
| 09:41:24 | wizly | colin_werk: hehe ;) |
| 09:41:24 | mibus | in g_object_newv(), not much more than that. |
| 09:41:38 | pb_ | backtrace? |
| 09:41:42 | mibus | pb_: its on a text console ATM, and xterm etc. won't load so you'll have to live w/o |
| 09:41:53 | pb_ | ah. |
| 09:42:01 | mibus | pb_: only g_object_newv and g_type_class_ref() |
| 09:42:18 | mibus | two gobject warnings before the segfault |
| 09:42:33 | mibus | i doubt it, but maybe it's annoyed its installed to a diff't prefix? |
| 09:42:49 | pb_ | oh, yeah, very probably. |
| 09:42:56 | pb_ | you have to make some symlinks into your root filesystem. |
| 09:42:59 | mallum | pb_: I just built a new powerpc kernel patched with the latest bluez stuff BTW |
| 09:43:04 | pb_ | mallum: cool. |
| 09:43:25 | mibus | pb_: i did set LD_LIBRARY_PATH of course though BTW |
| 09:44:16 | pb_ | mibus: yeah, looks like you need to link /usr/lib/gtk-2.0 |
| 09:44:22 | pb_ | and /etc/pango |
| 09:44:37 | mallum | pb_: how should one detect for esd over /dev/dsp BTW ? |
| 09:44:53 | pb_ | mallum: you should just use libesd, it will fall back to /dev/dsp if there is no server running. |
| 09:45:15 | pb_ | mibus: and /usr/lib/pango |
| 09:45:20 | dc_ | hides his storm bugs |
| 09:45:31 | wizly | hi dc_! :) |
| 09:45:42 | dc_ | wizly: yay :) |
| 09:46:12 | dc_ | hang. lemme find my iBook AC adapter before I forget. |
| 09:46:23 | dc_ | it seems I sent the wrong ssh key to jamey before :/ |
| 09:46:29 | pb_ | :-( |
| 09:46:37 | pb_ | dc_: can't you edit your ssh key yourself? |
| 09:46:42 | dc_ | but no fear. |
| 09:46:44 | mibus | linked both, no help :( |
| 09:46:45 | pb_ | dc_: assuming you know your kerberos password. |
| 09:46:54 | dc_ | pb_: indeed, I'm just about to. |
| 09:46:58 | dc_ | pb_: :) |
| 09:49:01 | mallum | pb_: you have a url for docs of esd ? google is giving me nuffin |
| 09:51:28 | mibus | bye bye peoples |
| 09:51:50 | mibus | dc_: let me know whats up w/ friday. i have uni 9-10 then work afterwards, so should be free 1PMish |
| 09:52:13 | dc_ | haha |
| 09:52:20 | pb_ | mallum: umm, lemme look. |
| 09:52:27 | dc_ | I worked out why I couldn't get my iPAQ usbnet working last night@ |
| 09:52:39 | dc_ | the cradle wasn't plugged it :) |
| 09:52:43 | dc_ | kicks himself |
| 09:52:52 | pb_ | mallum: this is the web page: http://www.tux.org/~ricdude/EsounD.html |
| 09:52:58 | pb_ | mallum: but there aren't a whole lot of docs to be honest. |
| 09:53:15 | pb_ | dc_: doh. |
| 09:53:49 | dc_ | :) |
| 09:54:11 | pb_ | dc_: I did some hacking on usbnet last night to make it work properly with hotplug at the ipaq end. |
| 09:54:23 | pb_ | dc_: so it now brings usbf up automatically when you drop it in the cradle. |
| 09:54:47 | pb_ | usbnet seems more reliable too, since I got this new motherboard. |
| 09:55:15 | dc_ | cooool! |
| 09:56:37 | dc_ | hopyfully we can have some sort of first time config for the iPAQ in this new gpe image, I dunno. |
| 09:56:42 | dc_ | but it'd be very usefull |
| 09:56:50 | pb_ | dc_: that would be really nice, but it sounds like a lot of work. |
| 09:57:16 | pb_ | dc_: might be better to leave that until after 0.6. There's always 0.7 to aim for :-) |
| 09:58:09 | dc_ | :) |
| 09:58:15 | dc_ | yeah., |
| 10:00:06 | pb_ | dc_: at the moment I think we should concentrate on usability issues for the software we already have. |
| 10:00:45 | pb_ | like making sure that people get sensible behaviour if they try to start gpe without installing the MS ttf fonts, for example. |
| 10:00:53 | dc_ | pb_: you're right. |
| 10:01:32 | dc_ | damn admin.hh.org |
| 10:01:54 | dc_ | thinks he'll add tabs and a search feature to gpe-edit tonight |
| 10:02:05 | pb_ | dc_: cool. |
| 10:02:21 | dc_ | pb_: :) |
| 10:02:24 | dc_ | pb_: I hope. |
| 10:02:32 | pb_ | ah, max just sent me a new draft of the opie database stuff. |
| 10:02:39 | dc_ | damn these ssh keys |
| 10:02:46 | pb_ | dc_: what's the problem? |
| 10:02:47 | dc_ | pb_: great. |
| 10:02:51 | dc_ | pb_: what's it look like. |
| 10:02:59 | pb_ | dc_: want me to forward it to you? |
| 10:03:03 | dc_ | pb_: it still doesn't like my passwd |
| 10:03:17 | pb_ | dc_: it won't let you in to the admin interface, you mean? |
| 10:03:20 | dc_ | pb_: well, the ssh key is for dctanner@ibook but my last one was just dctanner |
| 10:03:32 | dc_ | pb_: do you think it'll make a difference? |
| 10:03:41 | pb_ | no, the username in the ssh key doesn't matter. |
| 10:04:31 | dc_ | hrm, maby it needs some time to take effect. |
| 10:04:35 | dc_ | waits... |
| 10:04:37 | dc_ | :} |
| 10:04:39 | pb_ | could be, yeah. |
| 10:05:30 | pb_ | I've updated the imminent0.6 page, just three items left now. |
| 10:05:53 | dc_ | oooh. |
| 10:06:04 | dc_ | is just installing his iPAQ |
| 10:06:39 | dc_ | well, gpe-calendar.postinst fails... |
| 10:06:43 | pb_ | :-( |
| 10:06:49 | pb_ | file it in bugzilla |
| 10:06:53 | dc_ | I'll investigate |
| 10:06:58 | pb_ | even better! |
| 10:06:59 | colin_werk | Is this the kill thing? |
| 10:07:14 | pb_ | dc_: what's the error you get? |
| 10:07:19 | | dc_: what? |
| 10:07:19 | dc_ | ibot gpe bugzilla |
| 10:07:44 | | OK, pb_. |
| 10:07:44 | pb_ | ibot, gpe bugzilla is at http://europa.armlinux.org/bugzilla |
| 10:07:45 | dc_ | gpe-calendar.postinst returned 1 |
| 10:07:48 | dc_ | :) |
| 10:07:56 | pb_ | oh, that's probably the "missing exit 0" thing. |
| 10:08:10 | dc_ | ahh |
| 10:08:16 | pb_ | see the mailing list for extensive discussion on the best shell idiom to use :-} |
| 10:09:02 | mallum | anyone else here using erc irc ? |
| 10:09:06 | dc_ | bah. I don't read the fam list anymore, don't have time :/ |
| 10:09:18 | pb_ | dc_: use the web archive |
| 10:09:29 | colin_werk | The exit 0 is in CVS, but not the way nelson suggested |
| 10:09:38 | colin_werk | At least it should be. |
| 10:09:40 | pb_ | oh right, so we just need to build a new package? |
| 10:09:52 | mallum | dc_: I just filter out anything with wireless card or bluetooth or brick - its then just a couple of posts a week ;) |
| 10:10:10 | colin_werk | pb_: Better change it so that it works like nelson said? |
| 10:10:13 | dc_ | hehe |
| 10:10:20 | dc_ | colin_werk: indeed. |
| 10:10:24 | pb_ | ok. |
| 10:10:37 | dc_ | authough shouldn't it return 1 if there's and error :/ |
| 10:10:48 | pb_ | dc_: yes, I think that was what nelson was suggesting. |
| 10:10:57 | colin_werk | Right. |
| 10:11:05 | pb_ | colin_werk: max sent me a new draft of the opie database thing, do you want me to forward it to you? |
| 10:11:23 | colin_werk | pb_: yes please, c.marquardt@alcatel.de |
| 10:11:42 | pb_ | ok, it's on the way. |
| 10:11:52 | dc_ | reads though the rest of the gpe ml |
| 10:12:01 | dc_ | ah ha :) |
| 10:13:37 | spung | is it me or joey's pgp sig in every debian security report is bad? |
| 10:13:53 | spung | gpg: BAD signature from "Martin Schulze <joey@ffis.de>" |
| 10:15:44 | mallum | Anyone locked matchbox 0.3.3 yet ? |
| 10:15:56 | dc_ | unstable? |
| 10:16:06 | spung | mallum: locked? |
| 10:16:10 | mallum | yes |
| 10:16:12 | mallum | to both |
| 10:16:25 | spung | mallum: what does 'locked' mean? |
| 10:16:26 | colin_werk | I always read "DB pimp paper".ps :) |
| 10:16:30 | dc_ | great well, just getting it. |
| 10:16:41 | pb_ | colin_werk: :-) |
| 10:16:46 | mallum | spung: trapped in an infinitely long loop |
| 10:17:17 | spung | mallum: hmm? did other version lock? |
| 10:17:35 | mallum | spung: nope, not sure if this one does yet |
| 10:17:40 | spung | oh ok =) |
| 10:17:49 | mallum | spung: it locked once on my ipaq but Im unable to reproduce it |
| 10:17:58 | mallum | spung: also my ipaq is in a real bad way |
| 10:18:02 | pb_ | mallum: hasn't locked for me yet, at least. |
| 10:18:43 | mallum | If it does lock up for anyone please take a note of what apps you have running and what you did to get it in that state if at all possible |
| 10:18:45 | spung | mallum: well, welcome to my world of unreproducible locks, bugs, crashes and other weirdenesses (bad spelling here, i bet, lol) |
| 10:19:10 | mallum | spung: dont you have to have produced some software to be in that world ;P ? |
| 10:19:41 | spung | mallum: ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 10:21:14 | mallum | spung: A duck's quack doesn't echo, and no one knows why. |
| 10:22:01 | mallum | FOOD ! |
| 10:22:01 | mallum | brb |
| 10:27:32 | dc_ | hrm |
| 10:28:28 | dc_ | mibus gave me an mp3 with the dvd decoder code in it.. |
| 10:28:32 | dc_ | hrm. |
| 10:28:32 | dc_ | :} |
| 10:28:48 | spung | dc_: decss? |
| 10:28:58 | dc_ | yeah |
| 10:29:01 | dc_ | heh |
| 10:29:07 | spung | mallum: where's xkbd's config file? |
| 10:29:43 | spung | mallum: upgrading xkbd removed my /etc/xkbdrc and there's nothing in there replacing it.. |
| 10:32:42 | dc_ | okay |
| 10:32:58 | dc_ | pb_: I'm gonna fix up the gpe-contacts images okay. |
| 10:33:02 | pb_ | dc_: excellent |
| 10:33:17 | dc_ | :) |
| 10:33:22 | pb_ | spung: gone to /usr/share/ somewhere I think |
| 10:33:42 | spung | pb_: doesn't make much sense does it? |
| 10:34:52 | pb_ | spung: why not? |
| 10:35:04 | pb_ | spung: it's not really a config file in the traditional sense. |
| 10:35:05 | wizly | mmm I think I reinstall all famliar 0.6 from scratch... |
| 10:35:15 | pb_ | wizly: probably a good plan. |
| 10:35:28 | wizly | what image is recomended? bootgpe directly? |
| 10:35:33 | pb_ | Yeah. |
| 10:35:36 | wizly | ok |
| 10:35:45 | pb_ | I don't know how well bootgpe works, but it would be good to have someone try it and report bugs :-) |
| 10:35:51 | wizly | hehe |
| 10:35:51 | wizly | ok |
| 10:35:53 | spung | pb_: well, i'll have to talk to mallum about that |
| 10:36:02 | wizly | if I get a brick.. you'll send my new ipaq, ok? ;) |
| 10:36:23 | pb_ | wizly: loading the bootldr is the only time you can make a brick, there should be no need to do that. |
| 10:36:24 | spung | pb_: because i have a portuguese xkbdrc and I don't know how to package it correctly.. |
| 10:36:38 | pb_ | spung: why not just stick it in /usr/share/xkbd with the others? |
| 10:36:40 | wizly | pb_: hehe.. |
| 10:37:03 | spung | pb_: well, how would the user select portuguese layout? |
| 10:37:27 | pb_ | spung: with -k, same as the way you select tiny / fitaly layout. |
| 10:37:31 | dc_ | virtual kb setup :} |
| 10:37:47 | mallum | spung: all live in /usr/share/xkbd now |
| 10:37:49 | pb_ | exactly. |
| 10:38:05 | spung | pb_: well, yeah... but it should be possible to get a default one |
| 10:38:25 | mallum | pb, spung : xkbd also reads ~/.xkbd now for its layout file |
| 10:38:41 | mallum | location of |
| 10:39:20 | pb_ | cool, no more need for the gpe-kbd wrapper. |
| 10:40:42 | mallum | Im always one step ahead ;P |
| 10:40:52 | spung | i have some ideas about that |
| 10:41:14 | spung | after i get gpe-today in cvs |
| 10:41:23 | colin_werk | pb_: Do we need profession, assistant and manager? |
| 10:41:28 | spung | and i won't talk about those with mallum around |
| 10:41:28 | spung | hah |
| 10:41:40 | pb_ | colin_werk: good idea. |
| 10:41:43 | wizly | uploading bootgpe-v06-4-h3100.jffs2 .. :)___ |
| 10:41:43 | spung | ;) |
| 10:42:09 | pb_ | colin_werk: "occupation" might be better than "profession", maybe. |
| 10:42:26 | colin_werk | pb_: Pulled from the pimp paper. But they are lacking some important tags like GPG key and Jabber ID! :) |
| 10:42:47 | pb_ | colin_werk: and we should devise some way to make assistant and boss be (optionally) links to another contacts record. |
| 10:42:58 | pb_ | colin_werk: ha! |
| 10:43:31 | pb_ | do we want x.509 certificate do you think, does anybody actually use those? |
| 10:44:01 | colin_werk | Ah, good. I think you need x.509 if you want to have ipsec with 'doze boxes |
| 10:44:36 | pb_ | Yeah. I think it's also the only way to get secure email with Outlook, at least by default. |
| 10:44:55 | spung | pb_: very nice looking the new theme!! |
| 10:44:59 | dc_ | yay, gimp 1.3 ownz. |
| 10:45:32 | dc_ | spung: the gtk one? |
| 10:45:39 | spung | dc_: yes |
| 10:45:53 | spung | dc_: did you choose the gpe-contacts icon? |
| 10:45:53 | mallum | new gtk theme ? where ? |
| 10:46:28 | colin_werk | pb_: "occupation" ... is this what I am of profession (as opposed to what my current job is?) |
| 10:46:35 | colin_werk | spung: I did. |
| 10:46:54 | spung | colin_werk: it looks so funny :) |
| 10:47:03 | dc_ | hrm |
| 10:47:06 | pb_ | colin_werk: "occupation" is your current job, pretty much. |
| 10:47:09 | colin_werk | spung: Was the best I found in Jakub's icons |
| 10:47:14 | dc_ | what do people think about the current gpe-contacts icon? |
| 10:47:36 | dc_ | spung: oh no. |
| 10:47:38 | pb_ | dc_: do you have any alternatives in mind? |
| 10:47:39 | dc_ | spung: :} |
| 10:47:40 | spung | pb_: still that bug with the theme and the notebook tabs, tho :( |
| 10:47:46 | dc_ | spung: just what I was thinking about |
| 10:47:49 | pb_ | spung: remind me which one that was? |
| 10:48:01 | colin_werk | pb_: Ah, so do we want to have something for the "what I learned" part? |
| 10:48:06 | dc_ | colin_werk, spung: some people just find it a but hard to reconize. |
| 10:48:18 | dc_ | colin_werk, spung: what about the evolution one? |
| 10:48:20 | spung | pb_: well, just open gpe-appmgr and select various tabs |
| 10:48:30 | spung | pb_: i'm sure you'll see what I mean |
| 10:48:42 | colin_werk | dc_: Don't know evolution really |
| 10:48:48 | dc_ | ah |
| 10:48:51 | pb_ | colin_werk: Mmm, possibly. I guess that would indeed be "profession". |
| 10:49:00 | colin_werk | Okay. |
| 10:49:02 | dc_ | it looks like one of those contacts card flippers people have in offices. |
| 10:49:02 | pb_ | spung: I have gpe-appmgr open now, nothing leaps out at me. |
| 10:49:21 | pb_ | dc_: I didn't like the evo contacts icon much. |
| 10:49:33 | spung | pb_: well, select some tabs.. don't you see what happens? |
| 10:49:37 | dc_ | hmm |
| 10:49:43 | dc_ | what about the one with the open book? |
| 10:49:52 | dc_ | I think it's a very old evo one. |
| 10:49:56 | pb_ | spung: no. |
| 10:49:58 | dc_ | or maby it's from gnomecal |
| 10:50:10 | pb_ | spung: don't speak in riddles, just explain what the issue is. |
| 10:50:35 | spung | pb_: i'm sorry, my english is poor.. i can't find words to describe what's going on :( |
| 10:50:49 | pb_ | spung: do you have a screenshot? maybe it just isn't happening for me. |
| 10:50:58 | spung | pb_: ok, let me make one |
| 10:51:33 | colin_werk | dc_: Ah, the one from storm? |
| 10:51:39 | dc_ | damn, cvs still rejects me |
| 10:51:44 | pb_ | spung: oh, I think I see it now. |
| 10:51:58 | pb_ | spung: you mean the way you get bits of debris left behind between the "tabs" and the body of the notebook? |
| 10:52:31 | dc_ | yay iPAQ has finished installing |
| 10:52:39 | pb_ | dc_: :-) |
| 10:52:47 | dc_ | pb_, spung: me and mibus had a look at that yesterday |
| 10:52:58 | wizly | dc_: i'm re-installing familiar |
| 10:52:59 | wizly | :) |
| 10:53:00 | pb_ | dc_: ah cool, any resolution? |
| 10:53:03 | colin_werk | pb_: Can you add an explanation from "profession"? I have no idea how to describe it... or an example? |
| 10:53:07 | dc_ | pb_, spung: no |
| 10:53:18 | dc_ | pb_, spung: we couldn't work out what was getting the focus |
| 10:53:22 | colin_werk | s/from/for/ |
| 10:53:27 | dc_ | wizly: oh |
| 10:53:38 | dc_ | wizly: just found out, remember to install xkbd :) |
| 10:53:46 | wizly | dc_: ok, thanx :) |
| 10:53:47 | pb_ | colin_werk: hmm, I'll need to think about that a bit. |
| 10:53:53 | dc_ | pb_: I think you need to add xkbd to the gpe task |
| 10:54:05 | dc_ | pb_: I can't add a user :/ |
| 10:54:21 | dc_ | and maby matchbox |
| 10:54:26 | pb_ | colin_werk: see http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=profession for the dictionary definition, maybe that will give you some ideas. |
| 10:54:36 | pb_ | dc_: I'm pretty sure matchbox and xkbd are there already. |
| 10:54:40 | pb_ | dc_: do you have any ttf fonts installed? |
| 10:54:57 | dc_ | orr. |
| 10:55:22 | dc_ | hrm |
| 10:55:25 | dc_ | your probly right |
| 10:55:34 | pb_ | dc_: maybe we should add xfonts-ttf to the task. |
| 10:55:42 | dc_ | yeas |
| 10:55:57 | pb_ | okay, I'll do that later. |
| 10:56:09 | dc_ | :) |
| 10:56:10 | pb_ | or you can do it yourself if you manage to get ssh fixed :-} |
| 10:56:23 | dc_ | yeah.. |
| 10:56:24 | dc_ | if I can. |
| 10:56:25 | pb_ | can you check that installing it fixes your problem? |
| 10:56:47 | dc_ | just am |
| 10:57:23 | dc_ | I need to get to bed soon |
| 10:58:35 | dc_ | much better. |
| 10:58:39 | pb_ | hmm, does anybody think there would be a market for USB host sleeves? |
| 10:58:41 | pb_ | dc_: cool. |
| 10:58:45 | dc_ | pb_: yep, looks good |
| 10:58:57 | mallum | pb_: yeah definetly I reckon |
| 10:59:39 | pb_ | mallum: been thinking about making some, maybe getting aleph 1 to sell them. |
| 10:59:44 | dc_ | now, time to fix up the dotfiles things.. |
| 10:59:57 | dc_ | pb_: wow cool. |
| 11:00:12 | dc_ | pb_: that mean we could have usb keyboard and mouse combos :D |
| 11:00:14 | dc_ | w00t. |
| 11:00:15 | dc_ | hehe |
| 11:00:25 | pb_ | dc_: right; also usb cameras and things. |
| 11:00:47 | dc_ | hummmm |
| 11:01:00 | dc_ | virtual keyboard needs to be in imput methods, not just imput |
| 11:01:08 | dc_ | s/imput/input |
| 11:01:14 | dc_ | pb_ :) |
| 11:01:20 | pb_ | dc_: check with colin, he's in charge of menu policy |
| 11:01:33 | pb_ | dc_: we certainly need to get xstroke and gpe-kbd into the same place, it's silly having two tabs. |
| 11:01:49 | dc_ | yeahh |
| 11:02:03 | dc_ | hum we also need a PIM icon |
| 11:02:32 | colin_werk | Phear the Menu Police!!!1! |
| 11:02:35 | dc_ | ooh. |
| 11:02:44 | pb_ | dc_: indeed. |
| 11:02:45 | dc_ | my cursor is hidded :} |
| 11:02:48 | dc_ | colin_werk: dude I do! |
| 11:02:53 | dc_ | bows before colin_werk |
| 11:02:54 | | menu policy is probably http://familiar.handhelds.org/policy/menu.html |
| 11:02:54 | pb_ | ibot, menu policy? |
| 11:03:52 | pb_ | dc_: yeah, the cursor is supposed to be hidden. |
| 11:03:57 | colin_werk | http://familiar.handhelds.org/policy/menu.html |
| 11:04:07 | dc_ | and we should remove the xstroke entry, or atleast give it a cooler icon :/ |
| 11:04:16 | pb_ | dc_: right now it only works in gpe programs, but as soon as I fix the poxy scripts it will work everywhere. |
| 11:04:23 | pb_ | dc_: indeed. |
| 11:04:31 | colin_werk | There is no good section to have input stuff |
| 11:04:59 | mallum | pb_: usb sleeves would totally rule |
| 11:05:15 | pb_ | dc_: unfortunately the ipaq screen doesn't show you the radioactive glow around the green xstroke icon |
| 11:05:16 | mallum | pb_: my dual/quad usb and a cf slot |
| 11:05:21 | pb_ | dc_: cf http://www.handhelds.org/scap/port.14551.png |
| 11:05:45 | pb_ | mallum: I'll fire up my gEDA and get to work. |
| 11:05:53 | spung | pb_: http://spung.kicks-ass.net/gtk-theme-bug.gif <-- animated gif ! |
| 11:05:55 | mallum | gEDA ? |
| 11:06:18 | colin_werk | gEDA! Yay! |
| 11:06:27 | dc_ | pb_: it seems |
| 11:06:37 | pb_ | spung: very nice! :-) |
| 11:06:52 | spung | pb_: so, do you see, what i mean? |
| 11:06:58 | pb_ | spung: yes. |
| 11:07:11 | pb_ | spung: it pretty much has to be a generic xenophilia bug. |
| 11:07:18 | spung | yeah :\ |
| 11:07:25 | pb_ | spung: you could try writing to the author of the engine, whoever that is. |
| 11:07:42 | spung | pb_: maybe there is a new version of the engine? |
| 11:07:56 | pb_ | maybe, yeah. Want to have a look? |
| 11:08:04 | spung | yup |
| 11:08:07 | pb_ | mallum: http://www.geda.seul.org/ |
| 11:08:20 | wizly | uau! gpe-dm running :)_ |
| 11:08:24 | pb_ | yay. |
| 11:09:00 | wizly | now I must RTFM... |
| 11:09:01 | wizly | xD |
| 11:09:03 | dc_ | wizly: w0000t |
| 11:09:05 | mallum | pb_: oo-err, could you design me a super computer like the one in superman 3 with it ? |
| 11:09:27 | dc_ | hides his xeno ipkg source |
| 11:09:27 | spung | pb_: gtk-engines-xenophilia_0.7-6-fam2_arm.ipk <-- familiar ; gtk-engines-xenophili 0.8-1 <-- debian unstable |
| 11:09:35 | colin_werk | spung: Can you make a nice animated screenshot for the GPE screenshots page? |
| 11:09:40 | dc_ | hehe |
| 11:09:41 | pb_ | spung: aha |
| 11:09:52 | pb_ | spung: want to copy over the debian one to the ipaq and see if it fixes the bug? |
| 11:10:10 | wizly | ah.. kbd in first screen it's not readable... :/ |
| 11:10:12 | spung | pb_: hmm.. from the arm thing? |
| 11:10:16 | pb_ | spung: right |
| 11:10:22 | spung | pb_: i don't know how that works |
| 11:10:26 | spung | pb_: but i'll try |
| 11:10:38 | pb_ | spung: just download the .deb, use dpkg-deb -x to pull it apart, and copy the .so file onto the ipaq. |
| 11:10:54 | pb_ | spung: or I can send you my script to take a .deb and scrunge it into an .ipk, you could try that. |
| 11:10:56 | spung | pb_: right, just a minute |
| 11:11:02 | spung | pb_: yes, please |
| 11:11:11 | spung | pb_: send me that anyway |
| 11:11:15 | pb_ | ok |
| 11:11:24 | | i heard spung was luismbo AT netcabo DOT pt |
| 11:11:24 | spung | ibot: spung |
| 11:11:26 | dc_ | pets his busybox sh |
| 11:11:42 | spung | dc_: busybox's sh is kinda nice :) |
| 11:11:58 | spung | colin_werk: are you kiddin' :) |
| 11:12:28 | colin_werk | spung: Why not? Okay, gifs are evil, but it's the best for that job |
| 11:12:28 | dc_ | the autocompletion is very cute |
| 11:12:56 | pb_ | dc_: yeah, busybox rocks these days. |
| 11:13:07 | colin_werk | wizly: Can you make notes on what you do to set up GPE> We need some short user manual |
| 11:13:37 | wizly | colin_werk: mmmm my english it's too bad to write a usefull manual.... |
| 11:13:47 | wizly | :/ |
| 11:14:08 | spung | pb_: where are the arm debs? |
| 11:14:35 | colin_werk | wizly: Just make short notes about the necessary steps (maybe like a transcript of what you type), we'll formulate it later |
| 11:14:54 | wizly | colin_werk: ok, I begin to write then |
| 11:15:14 | pb_ | spung: in the pool: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/ |
| 11:15:19 | colin_werk | wizly: Thanks. You could put it up in the wiki maybe |
| 11:15:21 | pb_ | spung: or your local mirror of course. |
| 11:15:29 | wizly | colin_werk: ok.. |
| 11:16:05 | dc_ | wizly: we can always correct it, but no doubt you'll be better than me :) |
| 11:16:17 | pb_ | spung: in fact, for testing you can probably just install the .deb straight onto the ipaq, no need to do anything special. |
| 11:16:28 | wizly | dc_: i think you speak/write english better than me... ;) |
| 11:16:56 | colin_werk | needs to subscribe to the geda lists again... |
| 11:17:15 | dc_ | wizly: think again |
| 11:17:20 | dc_ | hum |
| 11:17:21 | dc_ | damn it. |
| 11:17:24 | wizly | xD |
| 11:17:33 | spung | pb_: gtk-engines-flat might look nice on the ipaq, i think i'll try that too |
| 11:17:37 | dc_ | I left my cool gpe-mail icon at home :{{ |
| 11:17:42 | pb_ | spung: cool. |
| 11:18:06 | dc_ | hrm |
| 11:18:07 | wizly | colin_werk> VHDL question> do you use a graphical editor to make top-vhdl files? it's not funny to write all those lines! |
| 11:18:16 | dc_ | erez need some libgpewidget guidence. |
| 11:18:32 | dc_ | maby if we commits the source I can fix it up for him. |
| 11:18:40 | pb_ | yah. |
| 11:18:50 | pb_ | the libgpewidget documentation could use some improving too. |
| 11:19:04 | dc_ | gpe-mail looks cool anyhow :) |
| 11:19:06 | dc_ | hrm |
| 11:19:10 | dc_ | I need to get some sleep now. |
| 11:19:20 | dc_ | code my gpe-edit stuff in bed :) |
| 11:19:49 | pb_ | :-) |
| 11:19:55 | colin_werk | wizly: Use emacs with vhdl-mode |
| 11:20:19 | wizly | colin_werk: emacs builds automatically top-vhdl from modules? |
| 11:20:19 | colin_werk | wizly: the new version has a structural composition feature |
| 11:20:28 | wizly | colin_werk: aha.. thanx, we'll try it |
| 11:20:28 | dc_ | oh. |
| 11:20:32 | dc_ | btw |
| 11:20:39 | dc_ | gpe-sketchbook in unstable crashes.. |
| 11:20:47 | dc_ | when you try to make a new sketch |
| 11:21:09 | colin_werk | wizly: basically, yes. it helps a lot, but you need to play with it to get it right |
| 11:21:26 | wizly | colin_werk: aha.. it's hard and boring to do it by hand |
| 11:21:27 | spung | brb. FOOD |
| 11:21:34 | pb_ | dc_: yes, I filed a bug for that, think it's #54. |
| 11:21:55 | pb_ | dc_: the gtk window handling seems to be all messed up. |
| 11:21:55 | colin_werk | wizly: you can also copy and paste ports (as instance, as component, as testbench...) |
| 11:22:03 | dc_ | colin_werk: btw, I'mm gonna add that filename suggestion feature :) |
| 11:22:11 | dc_ | colin_werk: very nice idea. |
| 11:22:17 | dc_ | pb_: good. |
| 11:22:29 | wizly | colin_werk: yes.. but module interconnection needs to be entered |
| 11:22:42 | colin_werk | wizly: just for vhdl-mode alone it's worth to learn emacs imo. Use GNU emacs, not XEmacs if you can |
| 11:22:53 | colin_werk | dc_: Great |
| 11:23:19 | wizly | welll at work we use windoze based tools.... so ... i'll find emacs for windows... :/ |
| 11:23:25 | colin_werk | wizly: module interconnection is done by that new structural composotion thing |
| 11:23:47 | colin_werk | wizly: yeah, there are emacsen for windows |
| 11:23:51 | wizly | ok |
| 11:23:53 | wizly | thanx |
| 11:24:29 | colin_werk | wizly: Also, if you use record types at top level, it is easy to connect modules... but not all tools (synthesis) like records |
| 11:25:18 | wizly | colin_werk: we don't use record types yet... |
| 11:26:10 | mallum | colin_werk: was it you that told me about erc ? |
| 11:26:16 | colin_werk | I like records in general. if you have a new port, just add it to the record type and it's seen everywhere |
| 11:26:25 | colin_werk | mallum: Yes |
| 11:27:26 | mallum | colin_werk: can you get it to highlight when somebody says something to you ? |
| 11:27:44 | mallum | colin_werk: like it xchat |
| 11:28:13 | wizly | colin_werk: aha.. seems nice |
| 11:28:28 | colin_werk | mallum: That was erc-notify IIRC .... check emacswiki.org, the example configs. |
| 11:29:57 | spung | pb_: i get a lot of these -> chown: changing ownership of `/tmp/dpkg-distil.5929/usr/share/themes/XenoProgeny': Operation not permitted <-- is it bad? |
| 11:30:03 | mallum | colin_werk: ok, it works for you though ? |
| 11:31:12 | colin_werk | mallum: http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ErcHighlighting |
| 11:31:33 | colin_werk | mallum: I don't use erc at the moment, but it worked whan I was |
| 11:31:38 | pb_ | spung: you need to run it under fakeroot |
| 11:31:56 | pb_ | spung: it doesn't matter all that much though, the only effect will be that the ownership of the files in the ipk will be screwed up. |
| 11:32:16 | spung | ohh |
| 11:32:16 | spung | ok |
| 11:33:17 | colin_werk | mallum: (setq erc-current-nick-highlight-type 'nickname) |
| 11:35:28 | dc_ | mallum: I think matchbox should install all the apm stuff miniapm needs. |
| 11:36:13 | mallum | colin_werk: yep got it |
| 11:36:25 | mallum | dc_: sure it will do |
| 11:36:31 | mallum | brb.. |
| 11:36:31 | dc_ | :) |
| 11:37:00 | mallum | hey |
| 11:37:09 | mallum | somebody say something to me ;) |
| 11:37:16 | pb_ | mallum: hey |
| 11:37:27 | mallum | doh it dont work :( |
| 11:37:44 | mallum | somebody say matchbox |
| 11:37:54 | pb_ | matchbox |
| 11:38:02 | mallum | wooho that worked :) |
| 11:38:11 | mallum | though yellow on white dont look good |
| 11:38:14 | spung | mallum: why does mbdock sometimes look like this http://handhelds.org/scap/port.13705.png and sometimes like this http://handhelds.org/scap/port.356.png when using the akwa matchbox theme |
| 11:38:23 | mallum | ok brb ... |
| 11:38:52 | dc_ | :) |
| 11:39:18 | mallum | spung: is that different versions ? |
| 11:39:32 | mallum | brb |
| 11:40:48 | spung | pb_: whooohooo... it's fixed =) |
| 11:42:30 | dc_ | time for bed. |
| 11:42:31 | dc_ | night guys. |
| 11:42:32 | dc_ | :) |
| 11:42:35 | dc_ | talk tomorrow. |
| 11:42:44 | dc_ | and hopefully my cvs could be working by then |
| 11:43:06 | pb_ | spung: excellent! |
| 11:43:37 | colin_werk | BBL |
| 11:45:12 | spung | pb_: who is the maintainer of familiar's gtk-engines-xenophilia |
| 11:45:28 | pb_ | spung: damien, I think |
| 11:46:46 | pb_ | spung: should be safe to make an NMU |
| 11:46:52 | spung | NMU? |
| 11:46:57 | pb_ | non maintainer upload |
| 11:47:11 | spung | pb_: well, the fonts are too big |
| 11:47:19 | pb_ | with the new engine? |
| 11:47:23 | spung | pb_: yeah |
| 11:47:26 | pb_ | bizarre |
| 11:47:29 | spung | pb_: no |
| 11:47:35 | pb_ | ? |
| 11:47:43 | spung | pb_: it's just a matter of editing /usr/share/themes/XenoLight/gtk/gtkrc |
| 11:47:55 | pb_ | XenoLight? |
| 11:48:02 | mallum | hmm, cant seem to change it from yellow :( |
| 11:48:06 | mallum | still better than before |
| 11:48:07 | pb_ | I thought you were using the gpe theme. |
| 11:48:16 | spung | pb_: hmm.. hah |
| 11:48:19 | pb_ | mallum: :-} |
| 11:48:33 | spung | pb_: it's fault then ipkg upgrade's |
| 11:48:43 | pb_ | umm? |
| 11:48:46 | spung | lol |
| 11:48:53 | spung | pb_: it's ipkg upgrade's fault then |
| 11:49:00 | pb_ | ah. |
| 11:49:22 | pb_ | what's it doing wrong? |
| 11:50:55 | spung | pb_: oh nevermind |
| 11:51:01 | spung | pb_: i'm using the gpe theme now |
| 11:51:06 | spung | pb_: and the fonts are ok |
| 11:51:13 | pb_ | ok cool. |
| 11:51:45 | mallum | I found a cool weblog script : http://www.ibiblio.org/propaganda/microblogger/ |
| 11:52:19 | spung | pb_: gtk-engines-flat doesn't look so bad: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.17400.png |
| 11:53:42 | pb_ | yeah, that looks ok. |
| 11:54:08 | spung | pb_: i like these arrows better.. we can change xeno's arrows i think |
| 11:54:47 | spung | mallum: no, not different versions |
| 11:55:10 | pb_ | yeah, they definitely show up better than the xeno arrows. |
| 11:56:37 | mallum | spung: 0.3.3 ? |
| 11:56:51 | mallum | spung: and this is not between a restart ? |
| 11:57:16 | mallum | spung: and more importantly can you reproduce it ? |
| 11:58:12 | spung | mallum: between restarts yes.. |
| 11:58:24 | spung | mallum: no, i cannot reproduce it.. i happens once in a while |
| 12:01:58 | mallum | spung: restart between upgardes ? |
| 12:04:13 | spung | mallum: hmmm.. |
| 12:04:21 | spung | mallum: maybe, i'm not sure, sorry |
| 12:04:39 | mallum | *sigh* |
| 12:04:59 | spung | nop |
| 12:05:05 | spung | mallum: not between upgrades |
| 12:05:09 | spung | mallum: just happened now |
| 12:05:45 | mallum | spung: what did you do ? |
| 12:05:59 | spung | mallum: logout, login :\ |
| 12:07:44 | mallum | spung: can you check whats in /usr/share/matchbox/themes/akwa/dock.cfg |
| 12:08:09 | spung | pixmap:/usr/share/matchbox/themes/akwa/dockbg.xpm |
| 12:08:22 | mallum | spung: hmm, should be fine then |
| 12:09:24 | spung | mallum: some sort of race condition? |
| 12:09:46 | spung | mallum: i don't really know what that means, but it sounds cool |
| 12:12:46 | spung | mallum: may I suggest a different dock background, that one sucks IMHO |
| 12:14:03 | pb_ | wow, those Cypress USB controller parts are on 143 weeks lead time according to the Avnet web site. |
| 12:16:24 | mallum | spung: you are free to make you own themes. I like the current one. |
| 12:16:31 | spung | ok |
| 12:16:45 | mallum | pb_: hmmmm |
| 12:16:57 | mallum | pb_: will you write ce drivers too ? |
| 12:17:30 | pb_ | ah, gotta love openprojects. |
| 12:17:37 | spung | now that was a fast netsplit |
| 12:20:12 | pb_ | mallum: dunno, possibly. |
| 12:30:14 | spung | pb_: will you upload the package, or should we wait for dc' |
| 12:30:59 | pb_ | spung: I'll do it |
| 12:31:20 | pb_ | spung: not until this evening though. |
| 12:34:30 | spung | pb_: does a GtkLayout have the same problem as a GtkScrolledWindow? |
| 12:34:40 | spung | pb_: (that background thing) |
| 12:35:02 | pb_ | spung: not sure. |
| 12:35:20 | pb_ | spung: did you establish whether it was possible to make the windows transparent? |
| 12:40:20 | pb_ | spung: I think you want to set the background pixmap for the window to ParentRelative, or something like that. |
| 12:46:56 | spung | i tried, to set bg_pixmap=<parent> |
| 12:47:00 | spung | pb_: no luck |
| 12:47:30 | pb_ | hmph. |
| 12:47:48 | pb_ | check with mallum, he may know what needs to be done. |
| 12:48:41 | mallum | MUHAHAHAHA |
| 12:49:13 | pb_ | ah, mallum awakes. |
| 12:49:29 | mallum | pb_: I've already told spung, I do it with RENDER and to hack that into gtk would require deep knowedge of GDK and XRender internals |
| 12:49:38 | pb_ | ah. |
| 12:49:51 | mallum | pb_: thats why I kept quiet b4 ;) |
| 12:50:08 | pb_ | heh |
| 12:50:17 | mallum | pb_: you can do it with parent relative and an XOR'd gc IIRC |
| 12:50:28 | pb_ | that's what I thought too. |
| 12:50:35 | mallum | spung: check the source of aterm to see how that works |
| 12:50:38 | pb_ | I've never actually done it though. |
| 12:50:42 | pb_ | ah yes, good plan. |
| 12:50:52 | mallum | pb_: I dont think you can vary the transparency of that |
| 12:51:07 | mallum | pb_: there no true 100% way to do it in X currently :( |
| 12:51:22 | pb_ | mallum: right, but I don't think that will matter for spung's application. |
| 12:51:51 | pb_ | mallum: if I understand right, he just wants to make the backgrounds of some of his subwindows completely transparent. |
| 12:51:55 | spung | mallum: ok, thanks |
| 12:56:31 | mallum | pb_: yeah, the parentrelative hack may be his best bet |
| 13:07:33 | mallum | hey prpplague |
| 13:21:40 | | ...but nisodaemon is someone whose ancestors didn't get caught... |
| 13:21:40 | Tarragon | ibot NisoDaemon is pushing his luck|too big for boots|Thinks he is a Perl-y queen |
| 13:23:50 | | Tarragon: I forgot nisodaemon |
| 13:23:50 | Tarragon | ibot forget NisoDaemon |
| 13:23:55 | | OK, Tarragon. |
| 13:23:55 | Tarragon | ibot NisoDaemon is pushing his luck|too big for boots|Thinks he is a Perl-y queen |
| 13:24:01 | mallum | WTF ? |
| 13:24:42 | Tarragon | Sorry Mallum. |
| 13:25:08 | | Tarragon is, like, a tall Northern bloke |
| 13:25:08 | mallum | ibot: Tarragon |
| 13:27:28 | colin_werk | BBL |
| 13:33:52 | prpplague | mallum: morning |
| 13:34:02 | prpplague | mallum: hows life in the UK today? |
| 13:34:15 | prpplague | mallum: going to the london beer fest this week? |
| 13:34:47 | mallum | hmm, Im not really a big beer drinker :( |
| 13:34:58 | mallum | I like my gin and wisky ;) |
| 13:35:05 | pattieja | is back (gone 15:52:54) |
| 13:38:39 | mallum | prpplague: did you get that src code BTW ? |
| 13:39:54 | prpplague | mallum: the guy is pulling the data from from a dat and going to send it to me server saturday |
| 13:44:22 | mallum | prpplague: aha |
| 13:47:06 | spung | olá pessoal |
| 13:47:34 | spung | entao essas vacancesa?? |
| 13:48:32 | pb_ | well, quite. |
| 13:50:19 | spung | sorry |
| 13:50:22 | spung | pb_: stupid guy |
| 13:50:27 | spung | pb_: that wrote this |
| 13:54:22 | spung | moray: any IBM ThinkPad specific model you'd reccomend |
| 13:56:22 | erez | hello |
| 13:56:36 | mallum | hey erez |
| 13:56:53 | erez | hey mallum, what's up |
| 13:58:17 | erez | can you help me with using cvs ? i want to put the gpe-mail sources on cvs.handhelds.org |
| 14:00:46 | moray | spung: I'm not sure which people had - I'd recommend looking at pages about laptop models linked from http://www.linux-laptop.net/ - lots of them will have a section about faults/good points of the laptops |
| 14:01:14 | moray | erez: have you checked out the current CVS tree yet? |
| 14:01:51 | erez | moray: how do i do that |
| 14:02:07 | moray | export CVSROOT=:ext:USERNAME@cvs.handhelds.org:/cvs |
| 14:02:12 | moray | cvs co gpe |
| 14:02:59 | moray | ('co' is short for 'checkout', which you could also use |
| 14:03:26 | erez | moray: i did that with anoncvs |
| 14:03:29 | spung | moray: great |
| 14:03:58 | moray | erez: if you're going to be able to check things in you'll need to use your own handhelds user account |
| 14:04:43 | erez | I'm doing that right now ... |
| 14:05:04 | moray | then, go into gpe/base/gpe-mail/ |
| 14:05:10 | moray | copy the sources in there |
| 14:05:30 | moray | and do: cvs add file1 file2 file3 etc. |
| 14:05:54 | moray | then: cvs checkin (or: cvs ci) |
| 14:06:16 | moray | sorry, I mean: cvs commit |
| 14:06:29 | moray | (I always use the short options ;) |
| 14:06:53 | pattieja | morning |
| 14:07:05 | moray | hello pattieja |
| 14:07:30 | pattieja | I've successfully gotten gpe working on a dual-boot partition |
| 14:07:56 | moray | erez: when you edit files, you normally use 'cvs commit' to put the new versions into CVS, but this only commits files that you've told CVS you want stored - 'cvs add' allows you to add files to this list |
| 14:08:47 | erez | moray: i did 'export CVSROOT= ...' and 'CVS_RSH=ssh' and 'cvs co' |
| 14:08:51 | moray | erez: often you'll want to do 'cvs commit filename' to just commit that one file rather than everything you've changed; cvs always works down from the directory you're currently in |
| 14:09:53 | erez | moray: i get 'cvs [checkout aborted]: must specify at least one module or directory' |
| 14:09:54 | moray | erez: 'cvs co gpe' ? |
| 14:09:54 | mallum | erez: cvs co gpe |
| 14:09:54 | erez | bangs on his had ... |
| 14:10:05 | erez | thanks. |
| 14:10:36 | moray | erez: to get a copy of changes other people have made in CVS, you can later do e.g. 'cvs update -d' (the '-d' says to get any newly-created directories that aren't in your copy yet, as well as single files) |
| 14:11:10 | moray | erez: again, a cvs update will update the files in the directory you're in and below it, so first cd to the top of the tree if you want to update everything |
| 14:11:21 | erez | moray: what do you mean by 'go into gpe/base/gpe-mail/' ? do you mean locally ? or on the server ( how do i do that ? ) |
| 14:11:50 | moray | erez: locally - in between cvs commands you just treat the directory structure normally |
| 14:11:53 | erez | ( cvs co gpe has finished ) |
| 14:13:10 | moray | erez: you could of course just include 'gpe/base/gpe-mail/' on the front of all the filenames if you don't want to cd :) |
| 14:13:10 | erez | how do i control where it is going to be put ? |
| 14:13:13 | erez | i have gpe-mail on anothe directory |
| 14:13:33 | erez | so i cd there and do what ? |
| 14:13:36 | moray | erez: if you copy files into a location, then 'cvs add' them, cvs looks at the directories to work out where that is |
| 14:14:02 | moray | so e.g. 'cd gpe/base/gpe-mail'; 'cp -a ~/wherever/gpe-mail/* .' |
| 14:15:09 | erez | there is already gpe-mail/main.c |
| 14:15:10 | moray | then 'cvs add' everything that should be kept in CVS - so e.g. add your program sources, but don't add the compiled version of the program |
| 14:15:56 | moray | erez: probably just copy over that - I don't know where it comes from, and if it's important it can be retrieved, since cvs keeps all the old versions of files |
| 14:16:53 | cmarqu | Hi erez! |
| 14:17:07 | erez | cmarqu: hi |
| 14:17:51 | erez | moray: i did 'cvs add *' and got : 'cvs add: cannot open CVS/Entries for reading: No such file or directory' |
| 14:18:17 | moray | erez: yes, you won't want to add * ;) |
| 14:18:29 | moray | erez: cvs makes special CVS/ directories everywhere to hold its information |
| 14:19:00 | moray | erez: you should be careful not to e.g. delete them by accident |
| 14:19:15 | moray | (though obviously it will only break your copy of CVS if you do, not the central version) |
| 14:20:35 | erez | i did 'cvs add filename' and it asks me to do 'cvs commit' |
| 14:20:59 | moray | erez: it's telling you to do 'cvs commit' later on, you need to do the 'cvs add' before commit will work |
| 14:21:44 | moray | erez: when you do 'cvs commit' you should get an editor window - you should type in a message there so that everybody else knows what you were doing - though in this case 'New files' should be enough |
| 14:21:49 | erez | i am in 'gpe/base/gpe-mail' what do i commit ? each file ? the whole dir ( i.e, '.' ) ? |
| 14:22:13 | moray | erez: to save you having to type lots of messages it's best to commit several things together if they were part of the same addition/change... |
| 14:22:30 | moray | erez: if you've added everything, just do 'cvs commit' and it should work out what's needed |
| 14:22:58 | moray | (but using the directory, or a list of the files, should work) |
| 14:23:19 | erez | cvs co *.c ? |
| 14:23:30 | cmarqu | cd gpe/base; cvs add gpe-mail; cvs commit gpe-mail; cd gpe-mail; cvs add main.c; cvs commit main.c |
| 14:23:43 | cmarqu | etc. |
| 14:24:17 | erez | oh I see, thanks |
| 14:24:24 | cmarqu | erez: co is checkout, you want that later, but not now |
| 14:24:42 | erez | moray, cmarqu, thanks a lot |
| 14:24:43 | moray | erez: (but you can also give cvs more than one filename at a time) |
| 14:24:53 | cmarqu | You need to work your way down from the top |
| 14:25:02 | | cvs is, like, Concurrent Versions System and is at http://www.handhelds.org/sources.html or at http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/ and at http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2002/01/03/cvs_intro.html and http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2002/01/17/cvsadmin.html and http://www.red-bean.com/cvsbook/ |
| 14:25:02 | cmarqu | ibot: cvs? |
| 14:25:20 | cmarqu | erez: The O'ReillyNet things are nice and short |
| 14:25:39 | ade | hi all |
| 14:25:45 | cmarqu | Hi ade |
| 14:25:49 | moray | erez: say when you think you've checked in some files and I'll tell you if it's worked ;) |
| 14:25:52 | moray | hello ade |
| 14:26:03 | erez | hello ade |
| 14:26:19 | ade | was wondering why all the apps stop working when i press the <new> button |
| 14:26:21 | erez | moray: i did, but it does not show on http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/gpe/base/gpe-mail/ |
| 14:26:30 | ade | erez: love gpe-mail :)) |
| 14:26:45 | erez | ade: thanks |
| 14:26:50 | moray | erez: hm, have you done 'cvs commit' yet? I can't see anything new from here |
| 14:27:04 | moray | ade: which 'new' button do you mean? |
| 14:27:55 | erez | i did cvs co gpe and got tons of upgrades ... |
| 14:28:16 | ade | moray: top left on most apps have a 'new' button to start game, start fresh txt etc .. hit it .. closest app |
| 14:28:18 | pb_ | ah, I see that there is already a gpe/base/gpe-mail directory. That might be confusing the issue a bit. |
| 14:28:29 | moray | erez: that's just checking *out*, you also need to put in the new files with ci/commit |
| 14:29:25 | erez | i did 'cvs add gpe-mail; cd ../.. ; cvs co gpe' |
| 14:30:01 | moray | erez: yes, that's checking out other people's changes |
| 14:31:13 | cmarqu | erez: co != commit, but checkout |
| 14:31:14 | erez | what did i do wrong ? |
| 14:32:00 | cmarqu | erez: You need to cvs commit gpe-mail and everything (well, the sources only) below it |
| 14:32:21 | moray | erez: do 'cvs commit' and it should look for files you've changes and send them to the server (it'll be quicker to do this in the gpe-mail directory so it doesn't have to scan the whole tree) |
| 14:32:33 | moray | erez: or 'cvs commit base/gpe-mail' should work if you're in gpe/ |
| 14:32:39 | erez | ... updated |
| 14:33:09 | moray | erez: yes, now I've got gpe-mail.c, gtkcolombo.c, gtkcolombo.h, l2v.c |
| 14:33:13 | erez | so in short i need : copy the files, add them then commit ? |
| 14:33:19 | moray | yes |
| 14:33:30 | erez | now i get it, it's simple |
| 14:33:44 | moray | erez: as I said, check in everything that's needed to build the program (but not the results of building it) |
| 14:34:14 | moray | so sources / makefiles / anything additional like configuration files, icons etc. |
| 14:34:21 | erez | i think that just downloading and typing 'make' will do it |
| 14:34:39 | cmarqu | And try to get the directory structure right, it's hard to change that in CVS |
| 14:34:47 | cmarqu | +later |
| 14:35:12 | moray | erez: yes, that does seem to build |
| 14:35:54 | moray | erez: (it's crashing when I click to get a menu though...) |
| 14:37:44 | erez | get gtk-mail.c again and recompile ... |
| 14:38:44 | moray | erez: I got the new version, but it's still unhappy - it may be a problem with the GPE libraries on my desktop box though, possibly |
| 14:38:47 | erez | to add a new project ( i.e. emailsync ) do i just 'mkdir emailsync' or somthing else ? |
| 14:39:38 | moray | erez: yes, you just make the directory and 'cvs add' it as usual |
| 14:39:52 | erez | moray: you probably do not have emailsync on your desktop ... |
| 14:40:28 | moray | erez: it's dying with 'Gdk-ERROR **: BadDrawable (invalid Pixmap or Window parameter) serial 513 error_code 9 request_code 14 minor_code 0', so it's a UI problem |
| 14:41:39 | erez | oh yea, the icons ... ( it shouldn't have died though ) |
| 14:41:58 | erez | try running the ipkg on your ipaq and see if it's working ... |
| 14:45:00 | cmarqu | gpe-mail 0.4 now kinda works for me, but it doesn't get any messages |
| 14:45:13 | moray | erez: ok, it *was* a library versions thing on my desktop (it's working there after a clean compile/install of libgpewidget) |
| 14:45:14 | cmarqu | Doesn't have that ERR line anymore |
| 14:47:29 | ade | moray: top left on most apps have a 'new' button to start game, start fresh txt etc .. hit it .. closes the app .. any ideas whats going on ? .. unstable feed btw |
| 14:48:16 | erez | i uploded the xpms and also emailsync ... |
| 14:48:40 | erez | how do i remove a file ? |
| 14:49:00 | cmarqu | rm file; cvs remove file; cvs commit file |
| 14:49:01 | pb_ | cvs rm |
| 14:49:03 | moray | ade: I certainly haven't seen the problem - I'm not sure how it would be a problem with all the programs, since they use different routines for 'new' - I can only think that you're running out of memory on your ipaq? |
| 14:50:15 | pb_ | ade: run a program from a terminal window, see if there's any error when it crashes. |
| 14:50:16 | ade | moray: i have 6mb of RAM free as reported by free, so unlikely |
| 14:50:32 | ade | pb_: will do |
| 14:51:52 | cmarqu | erez: Any idea what my opendir: No such file or directory |
| 14:51:56 | cmarqu | problem is? |
| 14:52:28 | erez | does it crush ? or just warning |
| 14:53:12 | ade | pb_ i just get Gtk-WARNING **: invalid cast from (NULL) pointer to 'GtkObject' Segmentation fault |
| 14:53:15 | cmarqu | erez: I run emailsync directly. This is the last output with DEBUG=3 |
| 14:53:18 | pb_ | ade: hah |
| 14:53:25 | pb_ | ade: can you run that under catchsegv? |
| 14:56:09 | erez | do you use gpe-mail v0.0.4 and emailsync v 0.0.8 ? |
| 14:56:34 | cmarqu | erez: emailsync 0.0.8.1 and gpe-mail 0.04, yes. |
| 14:56:49 | cmarqu | erez: I see 3 mails with emailsync, but not in gpe-mail |
| 14:57:05 | cmarqu | erez: Did you see my strace on the ipaq list from yesterday? |
| 14:57:31 | erez | is there a ~/.emailsync/impa/inbox dir ? |
| 14:58:22 | cmarqu | erez: # ls -l ~/.emailsync/imap/inbox/ |
| 14:58:22 | cmarqu | total 0 |
| 14:58:26 | cmarqu | Yes. |
| 14:58:34 | cmarqu | erez: But this is pop3 with ssl |
| 14:58:53 | erez | so ~/.emailsync/pop/inbox/ |
| 14:59:17 | cmarqu | erez: No such dir |
| 14:59:28 | cmarqu | No pop dir even |
| 15:00:23 | erez | do a 'mkdir -p ~/.emailsync/pop/inbox/' and try again ... |
| 15:03:35 | cmarqu | "Getting messages ... Cleaning old msgs" then nothing |
| 15:03:42 | cmarqu | opendir: No such file or directory |
| 15:03:47 | cmarqu | with emailsync still |
| 15:04:39 | erez | try re-entering your password ... |
| 15:05:03 | cmarqu | Did that already. It still shows the *** though |
| 15:05:13 | cmarqu | Does that mean it doesn't work? |
| 15:05:15 | erez | I do not seem to be able to duplicate you problem here. ssl-pop works for me |
| 15:05:26 | ade | pb_: ok got catchsegv installed .. i have to type it out .. sorry no cut/paste between too many X screens/pc for cut/paste |
| 15:05:44 | erez | no, '***' is so you do not know what it is ... |
| 15:05:56 | cmarqu | erez: Yeah, I thought so... |
| 15:06:02 | pb_ | ade: okay, just the first couple of lines from the backtrace would be good. |
| 15:06:41 | cmarqu | erez: With emailsync, what am I supposed to get? The messages in ~/.emailsync/pop/inbox/ ? |
| 15:07:15 | erez | no, gpe-mail gives the dir to emailsync in the commandline ... |
| 15:08:04 | cmarqu | erez: Well, I think I better try emailsync standalone first, without gpe-mail, no? |
| 15:08:28 | erez | this would be a good start |
| 15:08:33 | cmarqu | emailsync server=foo user=bar pass=baz proto=pop3 ssl=1 debug=3 |
| 15:08:44 | erez | yep |
| 15:08:44 | cmarqu | DEBUG: rcv_buf: +OK logged in. |
| 15:08:44 | cmarqu | DEBUG: sending: uidl |
| 15:08:44 | cmarqu | polling ... =1 (revents=1) |
| 15:08:44 | cmarqu | DEBUG: rcv_buf: +OK |
| 15:08:44 | cmarqu | DEBUG: rcv_buf: 1 1025023257.23601_0.coredump |
| 15:08:47 | cmarqu | DEBUG: rcv_buf: 2 1028648667.4012_4.coredump |
| 15:08:49 | cmarqu | DEBUG: rcv_buf: 3 1028734397.19856_2.coredump |
| 15:08:52 | cmarqu | DEBUG: rcv_buf: . |
| 15:08:54 | cmarqu | DEBUG: sending: quit |
| 15:08:57 | cmarqu | polling ... =1 (revents=1) |
| 15:08:59 | cmarqu | DEBUG: rcv_buf: +OK Bye-bye. |
| 15:09:02 | cmarqu | opendir: No such file or directory |
| 15:09:04 | cmarqu | erez: coredump is the mail server name |
| 15:10:09 | erez | try adding prefix=~/.emailsync/imap |
| 15:10:30 | ade_ | pb_: Gtk-WARNING **: invalid cast from (NULL) pointer to `GtkObject' |
| 15:10:30 | ade_ | Segmentation fault |
| 15:10:30 | ade_ | sed: invalid command |
| 15:10:30 | ade_ | gpe-tetris(gtk_widget_grab_focus+0x34)[0xa778] |
| 15:11:06 | pb_ | ade_: one more line after that? |
| 15:11:10 | ade_ | sed: invalid command |
| 15:11:10 | ade_ | gpe-tetris(gtk_widget_grab_focus+0x34)[0xa778] |
| 15:11:19 | ade_ | bugger hold on |
| 15:11:37 | cmarqu | erez: DEBUG: rcv_buf: +OK |
| 15:11:37 | cmarqu | DEBUG: rcv_buf: 1 1025023257.23601_0.coredump |
| 15:11:37 | cmarqu | DEBUG: rcv_buf: 2 1028648667.4012_4.coredump |
| 15:11:38 | cmarqu | DEBUG: rcv_buf: 3 1028734397.19856_2.coredump |
| 15:11:38 | cmarqu | DEBUG: rcv_buf: . |
| 15:11:40 | cmarqu | DEBUG: sending: quit |
| 15:11:42 | cmarqu | polling ... =1 (revents=1) |
| 15:11:45 | cmarqu | DEBUG: rcv_buf: +OK Bye-bye. |
| 15:11:47 | cmarqu | file . not found |
| 15:11:50 | cmarqu | removing /root/.emailsync/imap/inbox/. |
| 15:11:52 | cmarqu | file .. not found |
| 15:11:55 | cmarqu | removing /root/.emailsync/imap/inbox/.. |
| 15:12:27 | ade_ | Gtk-WARNING **: invalid cast from (NULL) pointer to `GtkObject' |
| 15:12:27 | ade_ | Segmentation fault |
| 15:12:27 | ade_ | pb_: sed: invalid command |
| 15:12:27 | ade_ | pb_: /usr/lib/libgtk-1.2.so.0(gtk_widget_set_sensitive+0x44)[0x40136ba4] |
| 15:12:27 | ade_ | pb_:/usr/lib/libglib-1.2.so.0[0x401b21cc] |
| 15:12:28 | ade_ | pb_:/usr/lib/libglib-1.2.so.0(g_main_run+0xd0)[0x401b23ec] |
| 15:12:30 | ade_ | pb_:/usr/lib/libgtk-1.2.so.0(gtk_main+0xfc)[0x400df9e0] |
| 15:12:32 | ade_ | pb_:gpe-tetris(gtk_widget_grab_focus+0x34)[0xa778] |
| 15:12:37 | ade_ | thats better :) |
| 15:12:57 | pb_ | bizarre. |
| 15:13:04 | pb_ | what version of gtk are you using? |
| 15:14:01 | ade | libgtk-1.2.so.0.9.1 |
| 15:14:21 | erez | cmarqu: is it ok now ? |
| 15:14:54 | cmarqu | erez: 3# ls -l /root/.emailsync/imap/inbox/ |
| 15:14:55 | cmarqu | total 0 |
| 15:15:00 | cmarqu | erez: No... |
| 15:15:54 | pb_ | ade: that doesn't mean a lot, which package version? |
| 15:17:15 | ade | pb_: libgtk1.2 (1.2.10-2-fam1) installed in root is up to date |
| 15:20:37 | pb_ | ade: hmm, yes, tetris crashes for me too. |
| 15:21:01 | ade_ | pb_: and gpe-sketchbook |
| 15:21:19 | pb_ | gpe-sketchbook is buggy, we know about that. It's #54 in bugzilla. |
| 15:21:31 | pb_ | I don't know what the problem with tetris is, yet. I'll look at it later. |
| 15:21:48 | pb_ | ade: any others you have trouble with? |
| 15:23:20 | ade_ | pb_: nope i haven't found anymore yet |
| 15:23:22 | erez | cmarqu: is disk full ? read-only ? |
| 15:24:22 | cmarqu | erez: No :/ |
| 15:24:37 | cmarqu | erez: I have strace and gdb if that would help |
| 15:26:26 | ade | does anyone know where the virtual keyb should have its icon , input or input methods ? |
| 15:26:52 | erez | could you see what the path it complains when opendir ? |
| 15:27:11 | cmarqu | ade: Neither, according to the menu policy |
| 15:27:16 | | hmmm... menu policy is http://familiar.handhelds.org/policy/menu.html |
| 15:27:16 | cmarqu | ibot: menu policy? |
| 15:27:58 | cmarqu | erez: Well, with prefix, it doesn't complain about opendir anymore |
| 15:28:11 | erez | remove prefix=... |
| 15:28:48 | cmarqu | open("/dev/null", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK|O_DIRECTORY) = -1 ENOTDIR (Not a directory) |
| 15:28:48 | cmarqu | open("/root/.emailsync//inbox", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK|O_DIRECTORY|0x20000) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 15:28:51 | cmarqu | dup(2) = 4 |
| 15:28:53 | cmarqu | shmat(4, 0, 0x3) = ? |
| 15:28:56 | cmarqu | SYS_197(0x4, 0xbffff9d4, 0xbffff9d4, 0x7e8, 0x4) = 0 |
| 15:28:59 | cmarqu | mmap(0, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40016000 |
| 15:29:00 | mallum | thinks we need a new menu policy |
| 15:29:01 | cmarqu | _llseek(4, 0, 0xbffffa2c, SEEK_CUR) = -1 ESPIPE (Illegal seek) |
| 15:29:04 | cmarqu | write(4, "opendir: No such file or directo"..., 35) = 35 |
| 15:29:06 | cmarqu | close(4) = 0 |
| 15:29:09 | cmarqu | munmap(0x40016000, 4096) = 0 |
| 15:29:12 | cmarqu | munmap(0x40015000, 4096) = 0 |
| 15:29:14 | cmarqu | _exit(1) = ? |
| 15:29:16 | cmarqu | mallum: I agree |
| 15:29:48 | erez | mkdir /root/.emailsync/inbox and try again |
| 15:29:54 | ade | atm we have xstroke and xkbd in differing places ?? |
| 15:30:09 | mallum | ade: we do ? |
| 15:30:27 | cmarqu | write(1, "DEBUG: rcv_buf: +OK Bye-bye.\n", 29) = 29 |
| 15:30:27 | cmarqu | open("/dev/null", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK|O_DIRECTORY) = -1 ENOTDIR (Not a directory) |
| 15:30:27 | cmarqu | open("/root/.emailsync//inbox", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK|O_DIRECTORY|0x20000) = 4 |
| 15:30:27 | cmarqu | SYS_197(0x4, 0xbffffae4, 0xbffffae4, 0x7e8, 0x4) = 0 |
| 15:30:27 | cmarqu | shmat(4, 0, 0x2) = ? |
| 15:30:29 | cmarqu | brk(0x221f000) = 0x221f000 |
| 15:30:32 | cmarqu | ipc_subcall(0x4, 0x221c8e0, 0x1000, 0x7e8) = 48 |
| 15:30:34 | cmarqu | write(1, "file . not found\n", 17) = 17 |
| 15:30:37 | cmarqu | write(1, "removing /root/.emailsync//inbox"..., 35) = 35 |
| 15:30:39 | cmarqu | unlink("/root/.emailsync//inbox/.") = -1 EISDIR (Is a directory) |
| 15:30:42 | cmarqu | write(1, "file .. not found\n", 18) = 18 |
| 15:30:44 | cmarqu | write(1, "removing /root/.emailsync//inbox"..., 36) = 36 |
| 15:30:47 | cmarqu | unlink("/root/.emailsync//inbox/..") = -1 EISDIR (Is a directory) |
| 15:30:50 | cmarqu | ipc_subcall(0x4, 0x221c8e0, 0x1000, 0x7e8) = 0 |
| 15:30:52 | cmarqu | munmap(0x40015000, 4096) = 0 |
| 15:30:55 | cmarqu | _exit(0) = ? |
| 15:30:58 | cmarqu | Hmm. |
| 15:30:58 | pb_ | mallum: yeah, one is under "Input" and the other is under "Input Methods". |
| 15:31:00 | cmarqu | open("/dev/null", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK|O_DIRECTORY) = -1 ENOTDIR (Not a directory) |
| 15:31:02 | cmarqu | Is that normal? |
| 15:31:04 | pb_ | mallum: it does suck rather. |
| 15:31:17 | ade | pb_: indeed |
| 15:31:17 | pb_ | cmarqu: is what normal? |
| 15:31:27 | cmarqu | pb_: open("/dev/null", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK|O_DIRECTORY) = -1 ENOTDIR (Not a directory) |
| 15:31:30 | mallum | pb_: which one is which ? |
| 15:31:40 | erez | w8 |
| 15:32:01 | pb_ | mallum: xstroke is "Input Methods", gpe-kbd (nb, not xkbd!) is "Input" |
| 15:32:02 | ade | mallum: xkbd is input , xstroke is input methods |
| 15:32:14 | pb_ | xkbd itself is actually "Input Methods" |
| 15:32:15 | ade | whoops sorry |
| 15:32:40 | pb_ | I'll make a new gpe-kbd package this evening. |
| 15:32:52 | mallum | uh ? |
| 15:33:22 | ade | so they should be in input methods ? |
| 15:33:33 | pb_ | I dunno, I await guidance from the menu police. |
| 15:33:50 | pb_ | mallum: the mention of xkbd was a false alarm, sorry about that. |
| 15:34:04 | ade | not utilities/input methods ? |
| 15:34:20 | erez | cmarqu: try adding cleandir=0 |
| 15:34:31 | ade | mallum pb_ : my fault for the confussion |
| 15:34:33 | mallum | pb_: ok sorry, was getting confused then |
| 15:34:45 | erez | n/ |
| 15:34:56 | erez | sorry, wrong window ;-) |
| 15:34:58 | pb_ | mallum: xkbd itself puts its menu entries under "Input Methods", which matches xstroke. |
| 15:35:12 | pb_ | mallum: but I guess it doesn't provide any icons, because none of those show up in appmgr. |
| 15:35:33 | mallum | pb_: nope no icons for xkbd as yet |
| 15:35:41 | mallum | pb_: thouhg I have one in the dock menu |
| 15:35:46 | pb_ | hmm, equally, launching gpe-kbd from appmgr doesn't actually _work_, so it's arguably a bit pointless having it there at all. |
| 15:35:57 | mallum | pb_: guess I forgot to put it in th main menu :( |
| 15:36:16 | cmarqu | erez: write(1, "DEBUG: rcv_buf: +OK\n", 20) = 20 |
| 15:36:16 | cmarqu | write(1, "DEBUG: rcv_buf: 1 1025023257.236"..., 46) = 46 |
| 15:36:16 | cmarqu | write(1, "DEBUG: rcv_buf: 2 1028648667.401"..., 45) = 45 |
| 15:36:16 | cmarqu | write(1, "DEBUG: rcv_buf: 3 1028734397.198"..., 46) = 46 |
| 15:36:18 | cmarqu | write(1, "DEBUG: rcv_buf: .\n", 18) = 18 |
| 15:36:21 | cmarqu | open("/root/.emailsync//.onsync", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 15:36:23 | cmarqu | write(1, "DEBUG: sending: quit\r\n", 22) = 22 |
| 15:36:26 | cmarqu | write(5, "quit\r\n", 6) = 6 |
| 15:36:28 | cmarqu | fsync(5) = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument) |
| 15:36:31 | cmarqu | shmat(6, 0, 0x800) = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument) |
| 15:36:34 | cmarqu | write(1, "polling ... ", 12) = 12 |
| 15:36:36 | cmarqu | poll([{fd=6, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, 10000) = 1 |
| 15:36:39 | cmarqu | write(1, "=1 (revents=1)\n", 15) = 15 |
| 15:36:41 | cmarqu | read(6, "+OK Bye-bye.\r\n", 9998) = 14 |
| 15:36:44 | cmarqu | write(1, "DEBUG: rcv_buf: +OK Bye-bye.\n", 29) = 29 |
| 15:36:46 | cmarqu | munmap(0x40015000, 4096) = 0 |
| 15:36:49 | cmarqu | _exit(0) = ? |
| 15:36:52 | cmarqu | sh-2.03# ls -l /root/.emailsync/inbox/ |
| 15:36:54 | cmarqu | total 0 |
| 15:37:23 | erez | cmarqu: what is the size of your mails ? ( emailsync does not download big ones ) |
| 15:37:57 | mallum | hometime biab |
| 15:38:08 | cmarqu | erez: Really small, much less than 5000 chars (unless they get a lot of headers...). And they are newer than 7 days. |
| 15:38:10 | ade | erez: are you planning a download header , then selective download body ? |
| 15:38:14 | cmarqu | Argh! Wait! My date! |
| 15:38:32 | erez | cmarqu: remove the debug=3, add verbose=2 |
| 15:38:54 | erez | ade: yes, currently working in imap (pop does not support that ;-( |
| 15:39:48 | cmarqu | erez: My date was way in the future. I ran ntpdate, it set the time still the same. Now trying with verbose=2 |
| 15:41:24 | cmarqu | emailsync version 0.0.8 |
| 15:41:24 | cmarqu | By Erez Doron <erez@savan.com> |
| 15:41:24 | cmarqu | Licenced under the GPL |
| 15:41:25 | cmarqu | Connecting to server |
| 15:41:25 | cmarqu | Logging in |
| 15:41:27 | cmarqu | getting msg list |
| 15:41:29 | cmarqu | Getting messages |
| 15:41:32 | cmarqu | sh-2.03# |
| 15:41:38 | cmarqu | sh-2.03# ls -l /root/.emailsync/inbox/ |
| 15:41:38 | cmarqu | total 0 |
| 15:41:42 | cmarqu | Heck. |
| 15:42:08 | erez | add debug=2 (maybe with less debug i see somthing ) |
| 15:43:17 | cmarqu | polling ... =1 (revents=1) |
| 15:43:17 | cmarqu | getting msg list |
| 15:43:17 | cmarqu | DEBUG: sending: uidl |
| 15:43:17 | cmarqu | polling ... =1 (revents=1) |
| 15:43:17 | cmarqu | Getting messages |
| 15:43:19 | cmarqu | DEBUG: sending: quit |
| 15:43:22 | cmarqu | polling ... =1 (revents=1) |
| 15:43:27 | cmarqu | sh-2.03# ls -l /root/.emailsync/inbox/ |
| 15:43:27 | cmarqu | total 0 |
| 15:44:30 | cmarqu | I now added size=50000 since=1-mar-2002, but no avail. |
| 15:45:29 | erez | what kind of pop server do you have ? |
| 15:48:17 | cmarqu | erez: Uh, I don't know. |
| 15:48:25 | cmarqu | erez: Can I find out from here? |
| 15:48:37 | erez | what ip ? |
| 15:49:04 | cmarqu | erez: see /msg |
| 15:51:20 | wizly | mmm gpe-todo crash with 'unable to load icon "hide"' error... any idea? |
| 15:51:28 | pb_ | wizly: need new gpe-icons |
| 15:51:36 | pb_ | wizly: specifically, 0.08 I think. |
| 15:51:42 | wizly | pb_> where I find it? |
| 15:51:49 | wizly | i have 0.07 installed now |
| 15:52:02 | pb_ | wizly: in unstable. |
| 15:52:07 | wizly | aha, thanx |
| 15:52:11 | pb_ | wizly: if you mention it to jamey I expect he can push it into 0.6. |
| 15:53:03 | wizly | sorry? |
| 15:53:15 | erez | your mail server acts different than mine |
| 15:53:35 | erez | emailsync was build by trial and error, not from rfc |
| 15:53:53 | cmarqu | erez: Aha! :) |
| 15:53:56 | erez | so i assume the probelm is the different response to uidl |
| 15:54:12 | spung | rfc's are good |
| 15:54:28 | erez | rfc's are unreadble |
| 15:54:57 | ade | lol |
| 15:55:41 | pb_ | wizly: never mind, I'll take care of it. |
| 15:56:11 | moray | pb_: are you making sure the other updated stuff gets into 0.6? |
| 15:56:21 | wizly | pb_: ok |
| 15:56:36 | pb_ | moray: well, in practice jamey seems to be moving everything over within hours if not minutes anyway. |
| 15:56:55 | pb_ | moray: and he said he would hold off on actually releasing 0.6 until he had word from gpe and opie that it was good to go, so I don't think we need to worry too much. |
| 15:57:12 | cmarqu | pb_: BTW, ipaq-sleep didn't kick in today, so I had an empty battery too... I see it doesn't run right now either. Have you told mccarthy about the missing smlink? |
| 15:57:22 | pb_ | cmarqu: no. |
| 15:57:35 | pb_ | cmarqu: I wasn't able to reproduce the problem. When I ran the postinst manually, it all worked fine. |
| 15:57:38 | moray | pb_: oh ok, sounds good (apart from possibly leading to Debian-style release cycles ;) |
| 15:57:52 | pb_ | moray: heh. |
| 15:57:57 | cmarqu | Hmm. That exit 0 problem maybe? |
| 15:58:03 | pb_ | cmarqu: maybe, but I doubt it. |
| 15:58:28 | pb_ | cmarqu: can you try the same thing? run /usr/lib/dpkg/info/ipaq-sleep.postinst and see if it sets up the symlink. |
| 15:58:43 | erez | cmarqu: found the problem ( i think) but it it would take more then a few minutes to fix. it's getting late (20:00) I have' to get home |
| 15:58:55 | cmarqu | erez: Sure, no rushing |
| 15:59:25 | ade | bbl |
| 16:01:59 | pb_ | time to go home, back in a bit. |
| 16:02:04 | cmarqu | pb_: Hmm, yes, it does set up the link |
| 16:02:12 | cmarqu | Argh :) |
| 16:02:34 | cmarqu | ibot: message for pb_: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 32 Aug 7 19:04 69ipaq-sleep -> /etc/X11/Xsession.d/69ipaq-sleep |
| 16:02:52 | erez | good night to all |
| 16:03:11 | cmarqu | Night. CU. |
| 16:33:38 | moray | has anyone sorted things out so that we call mbstart with '-use_cursor no' ? |
| 16:34:28 | moray | ah, pb_'s new changes may mean we don't need that...? |
| 16:37:16 | spung | awww.. where's icon master when we need him? =) |
| 16:38:57 | pb_ | moray: right, if you update to the latest everything it should "just work". |
| 16:39:33 | pb_ | cmarqu: hmm, so running the ipaq-sleep postinst by hand fixed it for you too. |
| 16:40:15 | cmarqu | pb_: Yup. |
| 16:41:15 | pb_ | cmarqu: Very strange. |
| 16:42:17 | pb_ | Did we decide we needed a new upload of gpe-calendar, or not? |
| 16:42:31 | pb_ | There seems to be an "0.10.1" in the archive, but there is no changelog entry for it so I don't have a clue what the differences are. |
| 16:43:00 | cmarqu | Hmm. Maybe the icon path and the section fix? |
| 16:44:11 | pb_ | Maybe. I dunno. |
| 16:44:29 | pb_ | Well, I'll take no action on that unless someone confirms a new one is needed. |
| 16:44:53 | cmarqu | Who uploaded that one actually? |
| 16:44:57 | pb_ | Dunno. |
| 16:45:38 | cmarqu | Could pull the .asc file... |
| 16:45:50 | cmarqu | # |
| 16:46:11 | pb_ | I expect cvs annotate on the control file would reveal the guilty party, assuming they checked in the new version number. |
| 16:46:54 | cmarqu | "Make sure all windows of the same app have the window title set to a common prefix (e.g., FooApp - )." I'll try to do that next week, but if someone touches his apps in the meantime... |
| 16:47:11 | cmarqu | See http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/CurrentThingsToDo for the full item. |
| 16:57:13 | pb_ | ade: gpe-tetris 0.5.2 is uploaded, it should fix the crash you were seeing. |
| 16:57:28 | ade | pb_: ta |
| 17:14:41 | ade | pb_: yup it works :) .. what was the problem ? |
| 17:16:00 | pb_ | ade: just a plain old bug, NULL pointer dereference. |
| 17:16:20 | pb_ | ade: it started showing up because we build gtk with fewer debugging options now than we used to, which makes it less tolerant of application errors. |
| 17:16:58 | ade | pb_: ok ta for the quick fix |
| 17:17:58 | pb_ | I've uploaded a new gtk-engines-xenophilia which should fix spung's bug. |
| 17:27:55 | pb_ | cmarqu, what menu section should I put dillo in? |
| 17:28:07 | ade | are the menus in appmgr going to get icons ? |
| 17:28:15 | pb_ | um? |
| 17:28:19 | pb_ | which menus are those? |
| 17:29:19 | ade | configuration, input methods, pim all have '?' instead of a icon |
| 17:29:28 | ade | -a +an |
| 17:29:29 | pb_ | ade: oh, you mean the tabs. |
| 17:29:37 | ade | sorry tabs |
| 17:29:41 | moray | ade: http://familiar.handhelds.org/policy/menu.html |
| 17:29:43 | pb_ | ade: yes, that sucks. I think dc is working on icons for them. |
| 17:29:58 | ade | execellent :) |
| 17:30:04 | moray | Configuration has an icon here I think |
| 17:30:07 | pb_ | at the moment I have untold numbers of tabs and virtually all of them have "?" icons. |
| 17:30:13 | moray | there's an icon for PIM in CVS |
| 17:30:28 | pb_ | moray: so we need a new upload of gpe-appmgr? |
| 17:30:30 | moray | Input Methods shouldn't really be there... :-/ |
| 17:31:51 | ade | policy says that appmgr setup should go in configuration not system |
| 17:32:08 | pb_ | ade: right, can you file that in bugzilla? |
| 17:32:15 | moray | ade: indeed. I don't think Mibus likes the menu policy... |
| 17:32:16 | ade | yup |
| 17:33:14 | moray | pb_: erm, the PIM icon in CVS is from me (the GNOME2 gnome_applications.png or something) - I filed a bugs on this in bugzilla already |
| 17:33:23 | pb_ | moray: cool. |
| 17:33:40 | pb_ | moray: any thoughts on where I should put dillo? |
| 17:33:54 | pb_ | moray: "PIM" seems like the best bet to me at the moment. |
| 17:34:59 | moray | pb_: I think that's the only reasonable place for it in the menu policy |
| 17:35:42 | moray | (as I've said, I'm not completely convinced by its categories, but I definitely think we should follow them even if we want to try to get them changed some time) |
| 17:36:01 | pb_ | agreed. |
| 17:36:01 | moray | AFAICT, 'PIM' is pretty much just 'Applications' |
| 17:36:08 | pb_ | yeah, that's how it seems to me too. |
| 17:36:15 | ade | i am going to stick my neak out and say we need a general apps section |
| 17:36:33 | pb_ | ade: do you think it's sensible to segregate "PIM" apps from others? |
| 17:36:41 | ade | yes |
| 17:36:42 | moray | ade: well, you need to start a discussion on the Familiar list then ;) |
| 17:36:47 | moray | I'm not sure it is |
| 17:36:59 | moray | I don't think users care if we categorise a program as a PIM or not IYSWIM |
| 17:37:15 | ade | pim is everyday everytime stuff, www etc isnot |
| 17:37:33 | moray | ade: www could be everyday if you had your ipaq linked to your mobile phone e.g.... |
| 17:37:47 | pb_ | indeed. |
| 17:38:01 | pb_ | and is gpe-mail closer to pim or www? |
| 17:38:33 | ade | everyday but unlikely each time you press the on button, pim is your diary contacts etc used most of the time with a pda .. surely |
| 17:38:47 | moray | ade: but that doesn't mean it needs to be a separate menu section |
| 17:39:19 | moray | ade: and for the most frequently used things people can press the ipaq buttons |
| 17:39:19 | ade | true .. its just easier to read/select the right parts |
| 17:39:50 | ade | .. right that good enough for me ... |
| 17:39:54 | pb_ | well, I suppose there's something to be said for making more categories rather than fewer, since users can easily create override files to merge categories together. |
| 17:40:19 | pb_ | on the other hand, you want the default to be bearable to use. |
| 17:40:32 | moray | pb_: I'd like the tabs not to overflow the screen really |
| 17:40:49 | pb_ | moray: agreed; particularly with the current squashed-gtk, it's a disaster when they don't fit. |
| 17:41:10 | pb_ | right now I have nine tabs, which almost exactly fits across the screen. |
| 17:41:27 | pb_ | and, out of the nine, only three have icons. :-( |
| 17:41:40 | moray | pb_: that's partly why I don't like the 'Input methods' actually, since when I view that the tabs are too wide ;) |
| 17:41:48 | pb_ | well, new dillo is uploaded, which goes in PIM and has an icon. |
| 17:42:43 | pb_ | personally I think the "Graphics" category is rather useless, and sketchbook would be better in PIM. But still. |
| 17:42:48 | ade | pb_: great |
| 17:43:14 | ade | seems like gpe is coming together nicely :) |
| 17:43:23 | pb_ | let's hope. :-) |
| 17:54:34 | pb_ | moray: looks like we need a new upload of gpe-terminal to move it from System to Utilities. Do you want to take care of that? |
| 18:04:34 | moray | pb_: will do |
| 18:04:41 | pb_ | cool. |
| 18:04:49 | pb_ | I've been wondering what to do about GPE-Screen, also. |
| 18:05:04 | pb_ | As far as I can tell, the only part of its functionality that's actually useful is the rotation stuff. |
| 18:05:40 | pb_ | I'm kind of inclined to throw it away and make a new program specifically to do rotation. |
| 18:06:33 | moray | pb_: gpe-terminal seems to be in Utilities already here - is the ipkg broken, or are you still seeing the appmgr one...? |
| 18:06:46 | pb_ | oh, maybe I'm still seeing the appmgr one. Duh. |
| 18:07:01 | moray | pb_: what else is in GPE-Screen just now? |
| 18:07:18 | pb_ | moray: yeah, I didn't even have gpe-terminal installed! Now I see it in Utilities. |
| 18:08:05 | pb_ | moray: it also has UI to control pointer hiding (unclutter), the screen saver and the backlight, and to trigger xcalibrate. |
| 18:08:19 | pb_ | moray: but I don't know how much of this actually works. |
| 18:10:48 | moray | it also doesn't appear to compile here - it's looking for some kernel header file |
| 18:11:05 | pb_ | ah. |
| 18:11:41 | pb_ | I'm pretty clear we don't want the unclutter stuff any more, and I think the screen saver thing has probably been superceded by ipaq-sleep. |
| 18:11:46 | moray | yes |
| 18:12:11 | moray | we might want some central UI for setting this stuff, but that doesn't mean we want this program |
| 18:12:21 | pb_ | agreed. |
| 18:12:34 | pb_ | Damien is working on something to control the backlight. |
| 18:12:38 | moray | it probably is useful to be able to set brightness (more so than the other things) |
| 18:12:44 | pb_ | (and it turns out that GPE-Screen's backlight stuff doesn't work anyway) |
| 18:13:25 | moray | I did ipaqscreen back when everything ran as root |
| 18:13:40 | moray | (which just calls the appropriate external helpers) |
| 18:14:59 | pb_ | right, is that what GPE-Screen is based on? |
| 18:14:59 | pb_ | oh yeah, it probably fails because bl isn't setuid root. |
| 18:15:00 | moray | pb_: I don't think they're related |
| 18:15:01 | pb_ | ok. |
| 18:15:37 | moray | I suspect ipaqscreen would work if bl etc. were setuid |
| 18:15:44 | pb_ | yeah. |
| 18:15:56 | pb_ | there's a bug open in hh.org bugzilla about that, might be worth pinging jamey to see if he has time to fix it. |
| 18:16:48 | moray | though obviously it's a pretty trivial program, I mainly just wanted to be able to set the brightness easily (and implement the sane UI whereby 'lowest brightness' = no backlight) |
| 18:17:31 | moray | (and also it has an extra large calibration button to give you a good chance of hitting it ;) |
| 18:17:47 | pb_ | heh :-) |
| 18:18:16 | moray | that let you choose rotation, which is when I found out that xcalibrate didn't like all rotations |
| 18:18:40 | pb_ | oh yes, I forgot about that. Did you file a bug for it? |
| 18:18:55 | moray | er, I'll have a look... |
| 18:20:16 | moray | well, there are two current bugs open on the topic, though both of them have summaries to do with the H3800 |
| 18:20:46 | pb_ | fair enough. |
| 18:20:56 | moray | I'll post another comment to one to clarify |
| 18:25:20 | pb_ | moray: so, if ipaqscreen had an icon in its menu file, we could just use that instead of GPE-Screen, right? |
| 18:26:39 | moray | pb_: presumably - certainly from a glance it might be easier to get it to work reasonably than to get GPE-Screen to deal with not being root etc. |
| 18:26:56 | pb_ | excellent, I feel a plan coming on. |
| 18:27:17 | pb_ | can you add the icon and make a new upload? |
| 18:27:25 | moray | pb_: shall I check in the source? it's glade-generated I'm afraid... |
| 18:27:31 | pb_ | sure, go for it. |
| 18:27:44 | pb_ | GPE-Screen is glade too, so at least it's no worse ;-) |
| 18:38:50 | moray | pb_: ugh, I'm not really sure which files to add or not from all the autoconf/glade junk, this might need tidied up later... |
| 18:40:47 | pb_ | okay, just add 'em all. |
| 18:53:12 | moray | pb_: ooh, ipaqscreen's brightness and rotation settings seem to be working |
| 18:53:47 | moray | though something's wrong such that the widgets are overflowing the screen slightly :/ |
| 18:55:07 | moray | trying to do calibration is more difficult, since there's not much point in calibrating without saving the results; maybe we don't really need it if you're meant to already have calibrated to log in |
| 19:00:54 | y| | i have a question, is gpe layer ontop of matchbox, or is gpe another windows manager? |
| 19:03:14 | moray | y|: GPE will work under any window manager, though it's intended you use matchbox |
| 19:03:38 | y| | moray: so i am confused...gpe is not a windows manager? |
| 19:03:57 | y| | moray: what is the proper name for it? |
| 19:04:33 | moray | y|: no, it's not a window manager - it's just a set of normal programs, but also it provides some special libraries for programs to use |
| 19:04:49 | y| | moray: much more clear now ,, thanx |
| 19:06:23 | pb_ | moray: oh yeah, cool. |
| 19:06:59 | pb_ | moray: looks like Jamey already fixed the setuid thing: |
| 19:07:03 | pb_ | chmod ug+s /usr/bin/bl |
| 19:07:03 | moray | pb_: hm, I'm also confused how best to add in the ipkg target into these makefiles |
| 19:07:03 | pb_ | chmod ug+s /usr/bin/contrast |
| 19:07:03 | pb_ | chmod ug+s /usr/bin/led |
| 19:07:06 | moray | pb_: yup |
| 19:07:31 | pb_ | moray: I think just adding an include of ../build/Makefile.ipkg_dpkg (or whatever it's called) should work. |
| 19:08:54 | moray | pb_: what about installing the menu file, which the current build stuff doesn't know about either? |
| 19:09:20 | pb_ | moray: I think we usually do that in the install-data-local rule. |
| 19:10:07 | pb_ | moray: see gpe-contacts for example, it's glade/autotools too. |
| 19:11:02 | moray | ah, fine, I'll have a look - better go and get my food out of the oven now, since that's overdue |
| 19:16:55 | pb_ | moray: whoa!! have you seen how many zombies ipaqscreen makes? :-) |
| 19:17:27 | pb_ | moray: I have about a billion undead bls and two xrandrs. Looks like it's never reaping any children at all. |
| 19:22:13 | prpplague | speaking of zombies, i need to check the server :) |
| 19:47:32 | wizly | hi |
| 19:51:22 | pb_ | hey wizly |
| 19:56:14 | wizly | :) |
| 20:45:43 | spung | pb_: what's gpe-dm's way of doing /etc/init.d/x stop |
| 20:45:44 | spung | ? |
| 20:45:54 | pb_ | /etc/init.d/gpe-dm stop |
| 20:46:57 | spung | pb_: i did so and X is still running |
| 20:47:17 | spung | pb_: and so is gpe-dm |
| 20:47:32 | pb_ | well, killall gpe-dm then, |
| 20:47:40 | spung | ~ # /etc/init.d/gpe-dm stop |
| 20:47:40 | spung | Stopping GPE display manager: gpe-dm |
| 20:47:40 | spung | ~ # ps aux | grep gpe-dm |
| 20:47:40 | spung | 4533 root 2256 S gpe-dm |
| 20:47:41 | spung | 10075 root 2728 S grep gpe-dm |
| 20:47:44 | pb_ | must be a buggy initscript, though it works for me. |
| 20:48:02 | wizly | re |
| 21:52:38 | wizly | how get one keyboard? i can write anything! :( |
| 21:56:46 | mallum | hey |
| 21:56:51 | wizly | hi |
| 21:56:51 | wizly | how get one keyboard? i can write anything! :( |
| 21:57:11 | mallum | ipkg install xkbd |
| 21:57:34 | wizly | it's installed... how I run it? |
| 21:57:45 | mallum | click and hold on dock |
| 21:57:58 | mallum | a menu will pop up and you can add it to the dock |
| 21:58:34 | wizly | aha... thanx |
| 22:05:23 | spung | mallum: we really need a default dock :) |
| 22:05:46 | moray | spung: I think we have one (if you install all the latest packages) |
| 22:06:03 | spung | oh |
| 22:06:04 | wizly | spung: I have a clock on dock by default... |
| 22:06:18 | spung | silly default i must say ;) |
| 22:06:30 | wizly | well.. i add it to dock, but by default its installed... |
| 22:07:23 | moray | spung: gpe/base/gpe-login/X11/Xsession-gpe.d/25dotfiles - currently has as default xkbd, xstroke, miniapm, minivol |
| 22:07:37 | spung | moray: what about mmenu? |
| 22:07:48 | moray | spung: oh, that too actually |
| 22:07:53 | spung | who is the guy who has that nice mmenu icon? |
| 22:07:57 | spung | is it cmarqu? |
| 22:08:07 | spung | the one with tux |
| 22:08:11 | spung | we should use that one |
| 22:08:13 | mallum | spung: sure, but first we need a gpe-setup wizard ;) |
| 22:08:20 | cmarqu | Everybody should have it now. |
| 22:08:23 | moray | spung: the tux one is in the package, isn't it? |
| 22:08:30 | cmarqu | mallum made it the default |
| 22:08:39 | spung | mallum: yeah, why don't you code it? =) |
| 22:08:46 | spung | mallum: instead of a game |
| 22:08:55 | spung | oh ok |
| 22:09:05 | moray | spung: you know, it's strange, but we don't need to write everything this week? |
| 22:10:28 | spung | ?= |
| 22:10:29 | spung | =) |
| 22:10:30 | wizly | tux where? |
| 22:10:45 | cmarqu | We need to write it ... *last* week :) |
| 22:10:55 | cmarqu | wizly: The menu icon. It's in unstable. |
| 22:11:04 | mallum | spung: why dont you code *something* at least ;P |
| 22:11:08 | wizly | package name? |
| 22:11:14 | cmarqu | wizly: mmenu |
| 22:11:29 | wizly | mmenu? it's part of gpe? |
| 22:11:37 | mallum | moray: seen this -> http://www.geocities.com/wmalms/ |
| 22:11:39 | cmarqu | wizly: matchbox. |
| 22:11:50 | mallum | moray: half way down the page a keygrabber app thingy |
| 22:13:07 | wizly | aha, thanx |
| 22:13:16 | moray | mallum: hadn't seen before, looks a bit big at 38K for the binary though ;) (will look properly later) |
| 22:13:22 | wizly | mmm gpe colors are very ugly in BW ipaq... |
| 22:13:54 | spung | ahhh |
| 22:13:59 | spung | mmenu is looking nice |
| 22:14:09 | spung | why should get proper icons for it tho |
| 22:14:18 | spung | s/why/we |
| 22:14:29 | moray | mallum: at pb's suggestion I've ported ipaqscreen to GPE (since GPE-Screen doesn't really work as non-root) - xcalibrate of course doesn't work currently; what do you think is best, to run xcalibrate (setuid / with setuid helper) / grey out the button for now / remove the button permanently ...? |
| 22:15:34 | spung | moray: make gpe-xcalibrate.sh setuid and run that? =) |
| 22:16:03 | mallum | moray: I think alot can be stripped out to get it smaller |
| 22:16:38 | moray | mallum: I suspect so. I'm vaguely planning on distilling several of these into one small and sensible version at some point... |
| 22:16:59 | mallum | moray: Id probably just setuid xcalibrate for now |
| 22:17:12 | wizly | gpe-soundbite: error while loading shared libraries: libesd.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 22:17:18 | wizly | dependencies don't set properly? |
| 22:17:49 | moray | wizly: should be: 'Depends: libgtk1.2, libgpewidget0 (>= 0.05), gpe-icons (>= 0.04), libgsm1, libesd0' |
| 22:17:57 | wizly | mmm |
| 22:18:06 | wizly | libesd0 is installed... |
| 22:18:17 | moray | mallum: how disgusting would it be if ipaqscreen did the setuid itself for now? |
| 22:20:06 | mallum | moray: sorry what is ipaqscreen ? |
| 22:20:34 | moray | mallum: GUI wrapper for brightness / rotation / run xcalibrate |
| 22:21:09 | moray | mallum: similar to GPE-Screen (except that GPE-Screen tries to do privileged things itself) |
| 22:22:12 | mallum | moray: surely on xcalibrate needs to be setuid root ? |
| 22:22:57 | mallum | moray: xcalibrate need to be root cos it calls some ioctls for the touchscreen right ? |
| 22:23:05 | moray | mallum: at the moment the xcalibrate package doesn't do that though, so the issue is whether to leave ipaqscreen broken until that's fixed, or (e.g.) do the chmod u+s in the ipaqscreen postinst |
| 22:23:32 | mallum | moray: hmmm, you may be best speaking to pb about this |
| 22:23:33 | moray | mallum: yes; bl *is* now setuid root, so the brightness setting can be done |
| 22:24:14 | mallum | moray: ideally I guess we should just make the usewr part of a group that can control the various bits |
| 22:25:45 | moray | mallum: maybe, but you don't necessarily want all the programs the user runs to be able to do stuff to the touchscreen directly |
| 22:26:02 | | mallum is nothing but a fly-bitten accumulation of petrified pus. |
| 22:26:02 | spung | ibot: insult mallum |
| 22:26:13 | spung | ;) |
| 22:32:19 | cmarqu | spung: File bugs against packages that don't set the full path in the menu file |
| 22:35:06 | wizly | it's late.. night |
| 22:35:20 | moray | night wizly |
| 22:35:26 | wizly | :) |
| 22:47:44 | mallum | moray: well the user can only calibrate it or chnage the backlight ? |
| 22:54:14 | mallum | g'night all |
| 23:40:36 | spung | cmarqu: ? |
