| 00:40:51 | spung | does anyone use emacs here? |
| 00:44:19 | moray | yes |
| 00:50:22 | spung | moray: i want it to have a K&R c-style and be less 'smart' identing |
| 00:51:14 | spung | (defun my-c-mode () |
| 00:51:14 | spung | (interactive) |
| 00:51:15 | spung | (c-mode) |
| 00:51:15 | spung | (c-set-style "K&R") |
| 00:51:15 | spung | (setq c-basic-offset 5) |
| 00:51:17 | spung | ) |
| 00:51:20 | spung | (add-hook 'c-mode-hook 'my-c-mode) |
| 00:51:22 | spung | (add-hook 'c++-mode-hook 'my-c-mode) |
| 00:51:44 | spung | moray: what's wrong here? (tabs don't work at all) |
| 00:52:21 | spung | moray: when i press tab i get Wrong type argument: wholenump, set-from-style |
| 00:56:26 | spung | i think i'm going to join #emacs ;) |
| 00:57:54 | moray | spung: hm, it's probably a bit late for me to be debugging elisp (3 am)... #emacs may be a better bet unless you want to wait till tomorrow :) |
| 00:59:36 | flypiper | moray: is sound working on your ipaq? |
| 01:02:47 | moray | flypiper: yes, I think so... |
| 01:03:34 | flypiper | moray: im getting a /dev/dsp Device not found error.. using 6.0pre1.. hmmm |
| 01:04:21 | spung | flypiper: have you loaded the modules ;) |
| 01:04:41 | flypiper | removed them and reinstalled...same thing |
| 01:04:49 | flypiper | this is odd |
| 01:05:01 | moray | flypiper: do you have anything in /dev/sound/ ? |
| 01:05:09 | moray | flypiper: /dev/dsp should only be a symlink |
| 01:05:57 | flypiper | lr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 14 Jul 31 03:16 dsp -> /dev/sound/dsp |
| 01:06:53 | flypiper | hmmm seen this problem before.. |
| 01:09:52 | flypiper | found it.. |
| 01:09:58 | moray | what was it? |
| 01:10:22 | flypiper | cr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 14, 3 Jan 1 1970 dsp |
| 01:10:22 | flypiper | crw------- 1 root root 14, 0 Jan 1 1970 mixer |
| 01:10:48 | flypiper | dsp was the same as mixer... had to chmod +x ..dsp and it runs |
| 01:10:58 | flypiper | is that a familiar problem or gpe? |
| 01:12:29 | moray | flypiper: I think the devices are meant to get 'chown'ed to the right user when you log in? |
| 01:12:34 | moray | (under GPE) |
| 01:12:55 | flypiper | problem then.... I had to manually change it |
| 01:13:38 | flypiper | ahhhh finally got garilla theme working.. |
| 01:16:08 | moray | flypiper: it's in /etc/X11/gpe-login.pre-session on my ipaq - you could try upgrading gpe-session-scripts? |
| 01:16:47 | flypiper | OK.. thanks |
| 01:46:00 | flypiper | roo |
| 01:52:29 | flypiper | sorry wrong window |
| 02:43:06 | prpplague | anyone running icewm with gpe apps or is everyone using matchbox? |
| 06:39:04 | pb | morning |
| 06:46:44 | colin_werk | Morning pb |
| 07:16:17 | colin_werk | Uh oh. gpe-calendar/familiar/postinst doesn't return success (see nelson's post to the fam list 2 days ago). |
| 07:17:12 | pb | Whoops. |
| 07:17:27 | pb | We probably need to audit all the postinsts for that kind of problem. |
| 07:18:20 | colin_werk | I added it to my TODO |
| 07:18:44 | pb | Cool. Also: find . -name control | xargs grep GNU |
| 07:18:50 | colin_werk | Can a package name contain a dot, like in gpe-calendar.de_DE |
| 07:18:55 | colin_werk | pb: Okay. |
| 07:19:17 | pb | Don't think so. It definitely can't contain an underscore or capital letters. |
| 07:19:33 | colin_werk | Argh. :) |
| 07:20:01 | pb | I think about the only characters you're allowed are alphanumerics plus '-'. |
| 07:20:35 | colin_werk | gpe-calendar-de-de and gpe-calendar-pt-pt then... |
| 07:20:53 | pb | Yeah. |
| 07:21:17 | pb | It doesn't really matter very much, nobody is going to have to call those packages by name. |
| 07:21:30 | pb | All that's important is that they don't clash with each other or anything else. |
| 07:26:18 | pb | What's the current status with Nils' gpe-alarm thing, do you know? |
| 07:27:15 | colin_werk | I don't know any more than what Nils wrote. mccarthy said he has it running, but it conflicts with uscheduled |
| 07:27:35 | pb | Oh yeah, I remember now. |
| 07:27:48 | colin_werk | And then he wanted Nils' rtcd to call an app when waking up, not the app polling rtcd |
| 07:28:02 | pb | Conflicting with uscheduled is pretty much inevitable, I think, it's trying to do almost exactly the same job as rtcd. |
| 07:28:21 | colin_werk | I wonder why uscheduled is not good enough? |
| 07:28:32 | pb | Dunno. I haven't really been following the discussion. |
| 07:28:42 | colin_werk | I know the uschedule author from Usenet, and he makes a very competent impression |
| 07:29:25 | colin_werk | He also follows Knuth's example and offers money for exploits found in released code (not that uschedule counts as released, but anyway) |
| 07:29:31 | pb | Heh. |
| 07:30:20 | colin_werk | What do we want to call the Provides: thing, gpe-locale-de-de e.g.? |
| 07:31:02 | pb | Probably not gpe-. I'd suggest locale-data-de-de. |
| 07:33:27 | pb | Ah yes, I found the uschedule homepage. |
| 07:34:40 | colin_werk | Okay. It's easy to change later. |
| 07:35:45 | pb | Ah, uschedule seems to depend on daemontools according to the web site. Is that true? |
| 07:36:18 | colin_werk | But... hmm. Maybe many packages wil provide translations eventually (even low-level stuff like "ls"), but the user may only want the high-level apps translated, for space reasons... so maybe gpe-locale-de-de is not so bad after all? |
| 07:36:29 | colin_werk | I don't remember seeing that... |
| 07:37:01 | colin_werk | http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org/details.phtml?package=uschedule&official=&format= |
| 07:37:35 | colin_werk | No daemontools there... |
| 07:37:56 | colin_werk | Is daemontools the djb stuff? |
| 07:38:00 | pb | Yes. |
| 07:38:20 | pb | I downloaded the uschedule source, the INSTALL file talks about daemontools. Maybe the familiar one has been repackaged to avoid that. |
| 07:40:15 | pb | Do you think that translations of stuff like "ls" will take up a noticeable amount of space? I would have thought it would probably be worthwhile to install those too. |
| 07:40:49 | pb | oh, hmm, maybe you're right, the fileutils.mo for de is 83KB. |
| 07:40:56 | colin_werk | I can imagine that there are many low level things that don't need translation |
| 07:41:28 | colin_werk | Somebody wanting a de locale is probably not looking under GPE's hood anyway :) |
| 07:41:48 | colin_werk | Maybe apps-locale-de-de? |
| 07:41:53 | pb | Yeah. |
| 07:42:10 | pb | "gpe-..." doesn't work all that well for me because it would exclude stuff like matchbox and dillo, that you probably do want translated. |
| 07:42:41 | colin_werk | I see... |
| 07:42:59 | colin_werk | Package: gpe-calendar-de-deProvides: apps-locale-de-deSection: basePriority: optionalVersion: 0.01Architecture: allMaintainer: Colin Marquardt <ipaq@marquardt-home.de>Depends: Description: German translation for GPE Calendar. . Deutsche �bersetzung f�r den GPE-Kalender. |
| 07:43:03 | colin_werk | Argh. |
| 07:43:20 | colin_werk | On what should it depend? |
| 07:43:31 | pb | Just gpe-calendar I think. |
| 07:43:36 | pb | Oh, maybe locale-base-de-de too. |
| 07:43:48 | colin_werk | On ipkg (>=0.99.xx) too I guess |
| 07:43:58 | pb | Yeah. |
| 07:44:53 | colin_werk | Nice. Did jamey say he wants to make ipkg work like that before the 0.6 release? |
| 07:46:32 | pb | No, not for sure. One of us needs to look at exactly what changes are going to be required. |
| 07:47:04 | pb | I think we need to produce a few packages and set up an experimental feed, so that we can test the ipkg implementation. |
| 07:50:11 | colin_werk | Yeah. Let's create that gpe feed at hh.org. |
| 07:50:57 | pb | Sure, go for it. |
| 07:51:33 | colin_werk | :) |
| 07:51:46 | colin_werk | Cannot do it from here, maybe tonight. |
| 07:53:06 | colin_werk | BTW, I was reading that UI design text mentioned in CurrentThingsToDo, quite interesting. And the 10 Palm rules. |
| 07:53:31 | pb | Yeah, I started looking at the Palm stuff this morning. |
| 07:54:32 | colin_werk | One of the Palm rules was that if somehting happens that we need to exit an app, it should define a default action (which would be to save data most of the time) |
| 07:54:51 | pb | Yes. |
| 07:55:04 | colin_werk | The app should set up what it wants to do in that case |
| 07:55:18 | pb | Most of the GPE apps work in such a way that they never really have "unsaved data", all the databases are updated in real time. |
| 07:56:11 | colin_werk | Ah. Good. Maybe the last thing shown or some such then. |
| 07:56:59 | colin_werk | I read that point so that it even saves entries the user has done so far in a dialog; it emulates the OK button click. |
| 07:58:36 | pb | Yes, I think that's what they intended to say, but I'm not sure that I agree it's a desirable feature. |
| 07:59:24 | pb | It's true that gpe-calendar, for example, ought to remember the currently selected view across sessions though. |
| 08:00:54 | pb | I don't really know much about how the Palm OS works. From their discussion about exit buttons, it sounds a bit as though switching to another application will automatically close down the one you're currently viewing. In that situation, I can see that having it remember the contents of a half-completed dialog would be good news. |
| 08:03:26 | colin_werk | Yeah, I guess so. I also know Palms only from an emulator (POSE) |
| 08:05:48 | colin_werk | "Never Dim a Disabled Button" (display an alarm instead) ... this is stupid IMO |
| 08:06:29 | colin_werk | I agree with them that you may not know ho to make it enabled though. |
| 08:08:09 | colin_werk | I guess I should make a pdf from those pages to read them in bed... |
| 08:09:41 | colin_werk | Lunch, BBL |
| 08:59:42 | colin_werk | re |
| 09:12:27 | mallum | hey |
| 09:12:36 | pb | hey mallum |
| 09:12:46 | mallum | 1 sec ... brb |
| 09:17:31 | colin_werk | Hi mallum |
| 09:17:49 | mallum | hey colin_werk |
| 09:18:04 | mallum | I have been thinking about the dock .... |
| 09:18:59 | colin_werk | mallum: Have you been a good mallum and marked up the strings in matchbox for translation? |
| 09:19:17 | mallum | colin_werk: there are no strings in matchbox ;) |
| 09:19:55 | pb | mallum: the dock has some though. |
| 09:20:14 | mallum | pb: yes that does ... |
| 09:20:29 | mallum | and I guess that will have to be done... |
| 09:21:06 | colin_werk | I guess there are not many... and emacs' po-mode can help with that too. |
| 09:21:18 | mallum | colin_werk: ok, I need to read up on it |
| 09:23:15 | colin_werk | mallum: Build TAGS, then in the PO menu, the is somehting under "Source Marking". |
| 09:23:23 | colin_werk | But maybe it's not even worth it... |
| 09:23:56 | mallum | I think Im gonna drop the slider thing from the dock and replace with scroll buttons at either end ( which can appear dissapear ) |
| 09:24:06 | mallum | The dock apps will be draggable too |
| 09:24:51 | mallum | and Im gonna add a little '?' dock app with monolauch which just prints a simple bubble containing some usage info for first time users |
| 09:24:56 | mallum | colin_werk: cool |
| 09:25:11 | pb | colin_werk: I think the dock only has like three strings, it's probably quicker to just add _() manually. |
| 09:25:20 | colin_werk | Ah, nice. Can the dock apps start when I release the pen? This way, I can still get the dock menu. |
| 09:25:30 | colin_werk | pb: Yeah, probably... |
| 09:25:53 | mallum | colin_werk: how do you mean 'start' ? |
| 09:26:39 | colin_werk | mallum: Well, launch the apps. Tap an icon, but hold the pen down, let the menu come not, and don't take the action for that icon. |
| 09:26:54 | colin_werk | s/not/up/ |
| 09:27:00 | colin_werk | Need coffee... |
| 09:27:26 | mallum | colin_werk: yeah sure, like the buttons in matchbox wm ? |
| 09:27:38 | colin_werk | :) |
| 09:27:58 | colin_werk | Let me try. It didn't work for me in the past, I'm sure. |
| 09:28:25 | mallum | the buttons on the titlebar - right ? |
| 09:30:11 | colin_werk | Oh, no, in the dock. |
| 09:30:50 | mallum | yes but they work how you want in matchbox titles currently ... |
| 09:30:57 | mallum | not in the dock yet |
| 09:32:31 | colin_werk | But... the title doesn't have a menu, does it? Except that app switching thing. |
| 09:32:55 | colin_werk | What I mean is... imagine an empty dock. I can click everywhere to have the doc menu come up. |
| 09:33:10 | colin_werk | s/doc menu/dock menu/ |
| 09:33:27 | pb | colin_werk: cool, Max just sent me a document describing the ideas opie have for their database. |
| 09:33:29 | mallum | yes |
| 09:33:36 | mallum | pb: excellent |
| 09:33:57 | colin_werk | Then, when I have the dock crowded, let a short tap start the app, but a long tap-and-hold should give the menu. |
| 09:34:12 | colin_werk | pb: Nice. Does it have "substance"? |
| 09:34:49 | pb | colin_werk: I'm not sure, haven't read it yet. My printing privileges appear to have been revoked. |
| 09:35:05 | mallum | colin_werk: probably not that easy todo at all :( |
| 09:35:21 | colin_werk | mallum: Hmm. Well, it was an idea :) |
| 09:35:22 | mallum | colin_werk: may happen in thge future but not the close one ... |
| 09:35:54 | colin_werk | pb: Can you send it to me too? c.marquardt (at) alcatel.de |
| 09:36:01 | mallum | colin_werk: I am aware of the problem though |
| 09:36:11 | mallum | colin_werk: do you work for alcatel ? |
| 09:40:06 | colin_werk | mallum: Yes :) |
| 09:40:48 | mallum | colin_werk: ooh I have battled with one of your asdl modems :) |
| 09:42:16 | colin_werk | pb: Got it, thanks. |
| 09:42:29 | colin_werk | mallum: They are Thomson's now :) |
| 09:42:47 | mallum | colin_werk: out of interest what do you do there ? |
| 09:43:09 | colin_werk | mallum: Chip design for Telco stuff |
| 09:43:41 | mallum | colin_werk: ok |
| 09:43:47 | colin_werk | Not directly DSL related, at the moment at least |
| 09:45:40 | pb | mallum: raining here again, we had a bit of flooding this morning. |
| 09:45:55 | mallum | pb: yeah raining here too now |
| 09:48:11 | colin_werk | My pet is the alarm features, I guess there could be more in that area. |
| 09:48:19 | mallum | pb: BTW, where did you read up on that XResources stuff ? |
| 09:58:32 | pb | mallum: just the man pages really. |
| 10:01:26 | mallum | pb: okey |
| 10:01:51 | mallum | pb: the xlib book only covers up to R5, I think some of the resources stuff changed in R6 |
| 10:06:45 | pb | yeah, I think you may be right. |
| 10:09:38 | pb | colin_werk: well, I read Max's document. I think I still prefer ours in concept. |
| 10:18:43 | colin_werk | pb: To be honest, I haven't read ours :) |
| 10:19:05 | pb | ha. :-) |
| 10:20:23 | PaxAnima | is there any doc on the libgpewidget thing? going to revamp the gui of my pim soon, and I might as well make it gpe-ish? |
| 10:20:41 | pb | see the web site. |
| 10:21:49 | PaxAnima | where on the site? |
| 10:21:55 | pb | the libgpewidget page. |
| 10:22:40 | PaxAnima | got it |
| 10:41:35 | colin_werk | This Copyright notice on DaveH's document makes me sick |
| 10:43:41 | pb | It's certainly not the best. |
| 10:49:43 | pb | BTW, do you know what those .sxw files are? Presumably they are the source to the document, but I have no clue what format that is or what program I need to use to edit it. |
| 10:52:52 | mallum | pb: I *think* they could be openoffice files |
| 10:53:06 | pb | aha. |
| 11:35:07 | colin_werk | This vCard-into-DB stuff is indeed strange. |
| 11:40:41 | pb | colin_werk: I'm operating on the assumption that it's some kind of joke. |
| 11:41:03 | pb | colin_werk: I sent Max a short precis of what gpe-contacts actually uses, want me to forward that to you? |
| 11:41:15 | colin_werk | pb: Sure. |
| 11:41:52 | colin_werk | pb: He even says: "It would also be sensible not to store header or footer tags within the database." |
| 11:42:06 | colin_werk | So why not all tags? |
| 11:42:13 | colin_werk | Maybe call him :) |
| 11:50:18 | pb | colin_werk: Yeah, I dunno, it's all a bit bizarre. |
| 11:51:20 | pb | colin_werk: as you'll see from the email, I also ended up adding an extra table just to track the unique IDs, otherwise generating them is a bit miserable. |
| 11:52:21 | pb | colin_werk: and there is actually _another_ extra table too that I didn't mention, which contains "contact categories". In theory this seems to be the kind of thing Dave was expecting groups to be used for, but it's not entirely clear how to make that work. |
| 11:56:38 | colin_werk | I'll have to trust you since I don't know much about DBs. |
| 11:56:48 | pb | well, me neither. :-/ |
| 11:57:39 | flypiper | anyone had sound problems with gpe\6.0?? |
| 11:57:48 | pb | what kind of problems? |
| 11:58:16 | colin_werk | Maybe Owen or some of the other guys from the early discussions would like to take a look? |
| 11:58:31 | pb | Good idea. |
| 11:58:51 | flypiper | did a fresh install on 3800 last night and sound wouldn't work..ie..device busy..had to chmod +x on /dev/sound/dsp from serial ..then it worked fine:( |
| 11:59:31 | pb | "device busy" usually means you are using a non esd aware program but you have the sound server running. |
| 11:59:47 | pb | I don't know why chmod +x would make a difference, must be some kind of funky kernel magic. |
| 11:59:57 | flypiper | according to ps .. yes sound server was running |
| 12:00:30 | flypiper | I wondered about that... I even removed sound modules and reinstalled them..same problem |
| 12:00:34 | colin_werk | pb: Looks like we are as flexible as we can be with that name:value pair. |
| 12:00:51 | pb | colin_werk: I think so. |
| 12:01:04 | flypiper | anyway.. that's one fix if anyone encounters it:-) |
| 12:03:35 | colin_werk | urn=100 tag='PHONE' value='+44 1223 702992' ... can this become urn=100 tag='WORK.PHONE' value='+44 1223 702992' later? I mean, can we switch things even if we didn't think of such uses yet? |
| 12:05:01 | pb | colin_werk: sure, in fact the real tags in gpe-contacts are 'PHONE.WORK', 'PHONE.HOME' and so on. All this stuff is "soft" in the sense that it's only defined by the xml layout file, not wired into the program. |
| 12:08:04 | pb | well, I suppose that's not 100% true, the tags for the things on the first tab (name, summary, categories) are hardwired. But for the most part it should be okay. |
| 12:10:02 | colin_werk | Okay. Do you have a gpe-contacts binary I can try when at home, or even an ipk? |
| 12:10:18 | pb | not at present, but I can build one easily enough. |
| 12:10:42 | pb | I haven't even tried it on the ipaq myself yet :-) |
| 12:11:46 | colin_werk | :) |
| 12:55:07 | pattieja | morning |
| 13:00:15 | colin_werk | Hi pattieja |
| 13:08:41 | pattieja | hello colin_werk |
| 13:10:59 | flypiper | pattieja: morning |
| 13:11:06 | pattieja | hello flypiper |
| 13:36:51 | mallum | pb: I just did a commit of matchbox with some new xrm bits |
| 13:37:02 | pb | mallum: cool, let me have a look. |
| 13:37:06 | mallum | pb: see what you think |
| 13:37:18 | mallum | pb: it more experimental than anything ... |
| 13:38:59 | pb | ah, looks good. |
| 13:40:10 | pb | now I need to make detect-stylus set "matchbox.cursor: no" in the display database. |
| 13:56:29 | prpplague | morning guys |
| 14:01:18 | prpplague | mallum: i got matchbox compiling last night, however it seems i have some fonts issues, nothing on the part of matchbox |
| 14:04:32 | prpplague | mallum: i'll be installing matchbox cvs on a x86 box today so that i can look more closely at how i want configs |
| 14:05:55 | pb | hmm, anybody been following the "ORBit" discussion on the familiar/handhelds mailing lists? |
| 14:06:32 | prpplague | pb: sorry no, i've not had the best of luck with the ppl on handhelds.org |
| 14:06:54 | pb | ha. |
| 14:07:25 | mallum | prpplague: what sort of font issues ? do you at least have 'fixed' installed ? |
| 14:07:29 | mallum | brb... |
| 14:08:05 | prpplague | mallum: well thats the funnny thing, i have it installed yet my Xfbdev is not reading it as well as a couple others |
| 14:08:32 | prpplague | mallum: i think i've cross contaimenated it with some other ipkg builds i was testing |
| 14:15:35 | colin_werk | BBIAB |
| 14:17:29 | pb | back later |
| 14:18:48 | mallum | prpplague: do you have xlsfonts ? |
| 14:19:28 | mallum | prpplague: maybe run xfbdev with the -ac switch and from another machine do a xlsfonts -d zaraus_ip:0.0 |
| 14:20:24 | prpplague | mallum: no, all i have are the 75dpi and misc |
| 14:20:35 | prpplague | mallum: i'm not familiar with xlsfonts |
| 14:20:42 | mallum | prpplague: they are just the directorys |
| 14:20:44 | mccarthy | anybody upgrade to busybox? |
| 14:21:06 | flypiper | mccarthy: I reflashed to 6.0 |
| 14:21:18 | prpplague | mccarthy: i'm using the latest bb on two seperate devices |
| 14:21:26 | mccarthy | flypiper: I assume that you didnt have the same probs then... |
| 14:21:28 | prpplague | mallum: ahh let me check |
| 14:21:35 | flypiper | mccarthy: what problems |
| 14:21:45 | mccarthy | I am having problems untaring the .ramfs.tar.gz |
| 14:21:50 | mccarthy | upon boot |
| 14:22:06 | mallum | prpplague: just do a xlsfonts on your desktop machine and you'll see what it does .... |
| 14:26:55 | prpplague | mallum: ahh |
| 14:27:47 | prpplague | mallum: ya basically test me what i suspected, the directories are there but its not reading them |
| 14:28:07 | prpplague | mallum: i'm sure its something on how i compilied Xfbdev for the xaurus |
| 14:29:00 | mallum | prpplague: hmm, I know the x startup on the ipaq set various env vars for fonts dirs IIRC |
| 14:30:05 | mallum | prpplague: also you need to may feed to set the various font renderers in your host.def |
| 14:32:25 | prpplague | mallum: ya i thought i had set the host.def properly, as far as the font enviroments, its my understanding the Xfbdev doesn't read any other than command line entries |
| 14:33:35 | prpplague | mallum: but i'll check both again this evening |
| 14:34:02 | prpplague | mallum: plus i'll know more in a few, i'm loading matchbox on a thin client now |
| 14:34:26 | mallum | prpplague: cool |
| 14:38:30 | prpplague | mallum: what are the minimum xlsfonts to get matchbox running? |
| 14:39:14 | mallum | prpplague: just fixed |
| 14:39:48 | prpplague | mallum: ok, that would be those under misc if i'm not mistaken |
| 14:39:51 | mallum | prpplague: or if your running xft probably at least one one ttf font |
| 14:40:35 | mallum | prpplague: but you didn't build with --enable-xft did you ...?> |
| 14:40:54 | prpplague | mallum: not on the zaurus build, but i'm testing on a thinclient right now |
| 14:41:07 | mallum | prpplague: thin client ? |
| 14:41:49 | prpplague | mallum: a x86 box with a 16meg flash |
| 14:42:45 | mallum | prpplague: cool |
| 14:42:46 | | well, tcsx-1 is http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8485254374.html |
| 14:42:46 | prpplague | ibot: tcsx-1 |
| 14:42:58 | prpplague | thats my baby |
| 14:43:43 | mallum | prpplague: ah yes ... are you david sanders then ? |
| 14:44:08 | prpplague | mallum: yes, just no s , anders |
| 14:44:22 | | i heard prpplague was mailto:dave123@abcsinc.com or Dave Anders |
| 14:44:22 | prpplague | ibot: prpplague |
| 14:44:41 | mallum | prpplague: would you like to donate one to the matchbox project then ;) |
| 14:46:10 | prpplague | mallum: sure, you just have to pay for the custom fees |
| 14:46:15 | mallum | prpplague: also do you have a framebuffer driver for the C&T 69000 ? |
| 14:46:18 | mallum | prpplague: really ? |
| 14:46:42 | prpplague | mallum: no, we have not been using fb on the 69000 |
| 14:47:33 | prpplague | mallum: the tcsx-1 was mainly an experiment (Thin Client eXperiment version 1) |
| 14:47:40 | mallum | prpplague: yeah I need a framebuufer driver for a c&t 65548 ( IIRC ) |
| 14:51:41 | mallum | who will be first to tell jg about fakeroot .... |
| 14:51:48 | mallum | ( re handhelds.org list ) |
| 15:31:51 | mccarthy | flypiper: did you reflash from CF? |
| 15:38:12 | pb_ | cmarqu: I uploaded gpe-contacts to unstable, should be there in a few minutes. |
| 15:39:21 | cmarqu | pb_: whee! |
| 15:39:31 | mccarthy | pb_: have you flashed from CF? |
| 15:39:42 | pb_ | no icon or .menu file yet though, you will have to invoke it by hand. |
| 15:39:48 | pb_ | mccarthy: never. |
| 15:46:10 | mccarthy | I *thought* it was easy! weird naming issues.... |
| 15:46:44 | cmarqu | Tigert has this on his homepage: "or if you need other icons for your project) contact me." |
| 15:46:56 | cmarqu | So, if we are really lacking something... |
| 15:50:58 | pb_ | btw, I also uploaded a new libgtk1.2 package that should obviate the need for libgtk1.2-unsquashed |
| 15:51:03 | cmarqu | http://jimmac.musichall.cz/ikony/i15/support.png could be a contacts icon... but it's originally for "support" |
| 15:51:05 | pb_ | i.e. it backs out the more offensive squash patches. |
| 15:51:35 | pb_ | ha, I quite like that one :-) |
| 15:51:35 | cmarqu | pb_: Cool, I was thinking about this yesterday |
| 15:51:51 | pb_ | I invoked dc_ too, he said he'd look for an icon. |
| 15:52:16 | cmarqu | "invoked" :) |
| 15:53:15 | cmarqu | This is nice too, for whatever... http://jimmac.musichall.cz/ikony/i34/dialog-error.png |
| 15:54:40 | cmarqu | Oh: http://jimmac.musichall.cz/i.php3?ikony=6 |
| 15:54:42 | moray | actually, we should perhaps have contacts/calendar buttons that look at least vaguely similar to the ones on the ipaq buttons if we can... |
| 15:55:58 | cmarqu | Indeed. The icons package can try to find which PDA this is to symlink the right icons (think Zaurus with different buttons) |
| 15:57:08 | moray | yes (I don't know what the Zaurus buttons look like / how the button images vary between ipaqs etc.) |
| 15:59:10 | moray | to clarify, I don't think we need to copy them precisely (which would look odd), but e.g. already the gpe-calendar icon is somewhat the same idea as the one on the ipaq button, which is good |
| 15:59:43 | moray | (though now I notice the marked day is in a different place etc. ;) |
| 16:00:56 | moray | though on earlier ipaqs at least the two right-hand buttons are completely unclear anyway :( |
| 16:01:40 | cmarqu | Like on mine... |
| 16:03:37 | moray | does gpe-su actually work for other people - I get a password box, but no resulting shell (and no response if I type a wrong password) |
| 16:03:57 | pb_ | moray: you need busybox |
| 16:04:01 | moray | pb_: ah |
| 16:04:24 | pb_ | moray: it relies on an underlying "su" to do the real work, since you can't write setuid programs in gtk. |
| 16:04:39 | moray | pb_: I do have a working su from tinylogin... |
| 16:04:50 | pb_ | moray: tinylogin su is not "working" in this sense ;-) |
| 16:05:00 | pb_ | moray: it doesn't support the -c option. |
| 16:05:01 | moray | yes, I presumed that would be the next problem |
| 16:05:04 | moray | ok |
| 16:06:10 | moray | should we state somewhere on the GPE site (or do we?) if we're now assuming full GNU tools / busybox, rather than other Familiar stuff? - or is Familiar as a whole definitely moving to busybox? |
| 16:06:19 | cmarqu | sh-2.03# ipkg install gpe-contacts |
| 16:06:20 | cmarqu | ERROR: The following packages conflict with libxml2: |
| 16:06:39 | cmarqu | It works (libxml1 conflicts) |
| 16:07:04 | pb_ | moray: familiar 0.6 is all busybox |
| 16:07:38 | moray | fine |
| 16:07:52 | pb_ | cmarqu: urgh, what is using libxml1? |
| 16:08:01 | moray | pb_: (haven't had time to move to that yet, as you've noticed) |
| 16:08:25 | cmarqu | pb_: libglade0 |
| 16:09:05 | moray | cmarqu: does something you're using depend on that? |
| 16:09:43 | cmarqu | Don't think so. |
| 16:10:01 | pb_ | cmarqu: ah. |
| 16:10:19 | cmarqu | Package libglade0 is depended upon by packages: |
| 16:10:24 | cmarqu | python-pygtk |
| 16:10:30 | pb_ | cmarqu: well, I feel a bit bad about making gpe-contacts depend on libxml2 anyway, but if it helps to flush out users of libxml1 maybe it is actually a good thing. |
| 16:10:32 | moray | pb_: I'm not sure you meant this to happen? : http://www.handhelds.org/scap/port.21545.png |
| 16:10:36 | pb_ | cmarqu: especially if those users are Python! |
| 16:10:43 | cmarqu | Hmm. :) |
| 16:10:50 | pb_ | moray: not entirely, no. |
| 16:11:09 | pb_ | moray: that window is declaring itself as a dialog, and probably shouldn't be. |
| 16:12:24 | moray | indeed - it makes it difficult to use xkbd anyway ;) |
| 16:16:23 | cmarqu | Why is my alpha broken? http://handhelds.org/scap/port.21766.png |
| 16:16:38 | pb_ | That again! |
| 16:16:57 | pb_ | I have no idea. :-( |
| 16:18:06 | cmarqu | Hmm. All apps are like that now... |
| 16:18:14 | pb_ | Damn. |
| 16:18:26 | pb_ | Just GPE ones, or absolutely everything? |
| 16:18:34 | cmarqu | libxml1 removed my alpha!!!1! |
| 16:18:35 | cmarqu | :) |
| 16:18:39 | cmarqu | Let me check |
| 16:19:06 | cmarqu | gpe-appmgr seems to be okay |
| 16:20:03 | cmarqu | dillo is okay too |
| 16:20:12 | cmarqu | Well, let me update the gtk |
| 16:20:58 | cmarqu | Package libgtk1.2 has been replaced by: libgtk1.2 libgtk1.2-unsquashed |
| 16:21:05 | cmarqu | :) |
| 16:21:13 | pb_ | ah. |
| 16:21:27 | cmarqu | Kinda strange message... |
| 16:21:28 | pb_ | I must have gotten my ipkg control file wrong. |
| 16:21:43 | cmarqu | Well, it does the right thing it seems |
| 16:21:56 | cmarqu | Removing package libgtk1.2...Done |
| 16:21:58 | cmarqu | Installing libgtk1.2 (1.2.10-2-fam1) |
| 16:22:12 | pb_ | Oh right, obviously just ipkg being conversational. |
| 16:24:04 | cmarqu | Hmm, gpe-contacts doesn't respect the theme? |
| 16:24:13 | pb_ | Wow. |
| 16:24:22 | cmarqu | It's all gray, while gpe-calendar is almost white |
| 16:24:34 | pb_ | Contacts seems OK for me. |
| 16:24:47 | pb_ | You're not running it as a different user or anything? |
| 16:25:20 | cmarqu | Argh. I do. /me Idiot |
| 16:27:18 | cmarqu | Wow. The dialog looks even worse for me: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.18521.png |
| 16:27:25 | cmarqu | The huge title font... |
| 16:27:48 | cmarqu | It's okay for the normal window |
| 16:27:54 | pb_ | !! |
| 16:28:19 | pb_ | I don't know _what_ it can be doing to cause that. |
| 16:28:39 | cmarqu | Mail address should be work *and* home too |
| 16:29:01 | cmarqu | Also, a photo could be in the default categories |
| 16:29:35 | pb_ | Sure, the current layout is just what I've been playing with. By all means change it and check in something better. |
| 16:29:48 | cmarqu | All dialog windows are having that huge title font |
| 16:30:00 | pb_ | I think that must be matchbox's fault. |
| 16:30:20 | cmarqu | Do you think "(driving) directions" is too special? |
| 16:30:24 | pb_ | Check your theme, maybe it defines some stupid font for dialog titles. |
| 16:30:53 | cmarqu | I also want to add JabberID, maybe ICQ/AIM/MSN/Yahoo |
| 16:31:05 | pb_ | cmarqu: it's not something I'd want. Best ship with a small set of default fields and let people add their own, I think. |
| 16:31:40 | cmarqu | Okay. |
| 16:32:17 | cmarqu | IMO, fam's bash should have some aliases defined, like ll and la |
| 16:34:24 | pb_ | Mmm. |
| 16:34:38 | pb_ | Well, you can make a .bashrc. |
| 16:34:54 | cmarqu | Every time I set mine up, I lose them while upgrading or something. |
| 16:35:05 | pb_ | Ah. :-( |
| 16:35:26 | cmarqu | Not upgrading bash, but the whole of familiar |
| 16:40:28 | cmarqu | I'd even say that home and work should be at top level, then make phone/fax/cell/email/web etc. usubcategories of these |
| 16:40:47 | pb_ | Maybe, yeah. |
| 16:40:56 | pb_ | Wanna check that in? |
| 16:40:58 | cmarqu | Addresse and notes too... |
| 16:41:02 | cmarqu | Sure |
| 16:41:24 | cmarqu | Want me to add a menu file? And maybe that icon for now? |
| 16:41:31 | pb_ | Please do. |
| 16:45:59 | cmarqu | Makefile.am:3: AM_GNU_GETTEXT in `configure.in' but `intl' not in SUBDIRS |
| 16:46:12 | pb_ | argh autotools |
| 16:46:53 | pb_ | um, I think there is an automake option to have it copy in the intl stuff. Not that we want it. |
| 16:47:59 | cmarqu | I think the one from ownerinfo does this... |
| 16:50:17 | pb_ | oh right. |
| 16:56:16 | cmarqu | Works. |
| 16:56:20 | pb_ | Cool. |
| 16:59:09 | cmarqu | Is there a better name than "Locations" for "home" and "work"? |
| 16:59:44 | pb_ | Not that I can think of. |
| 17:01:32 | cmarqu | section=PIM should be okay for now... |
| 17:01:43 | pb_ | Yep. |
| 17:08:45 | cmarqu | Ugh. I notice it work every second time. I thoughty you had something checked in actually :) |
| 17:11:30 | cmarqu | Seems to work always if I give a translation file for libglade in the options. Very strange... |
| 17:11:59 | pb_ | Wow. |
| 17:12:20 | cmarqu | pb_: Do you have the ipkg targets somewhere? |
| 17:13:25 | pb_ | Oh, I forgot to check that in. |
| 17:13:32 | pb_ | I made it use your new makefile in build. |
| 17:13:40 | cmarqu | Well, I have it here too |
| 17:13:55 | cmarqu | Well, check it in anywa, I'll compare |
| 17:13:59 | pb_ | Okay, cool. My CVS tree is destroyed, so I am in no position to check anything in. |
| 17:14:18 | cmarqu | Okay... |
| 17:14:32 | pb_ | I just added this one line to Makefile.am: |
| 17:14:37 | pb_ | +include ../build/Makefile.dpkg_ipkg |
| 17:14:51 | cmarqu | Why the + actually? |
| 17:15:00 | pb_ | sorry, that's from diff |
| 17:15:02 | pb_ | it's not in the actual file. |
| 17:15:05 | cmarqu | Ah :) |
| 17:15:31 | cmarqu | Do you have the control file too? |
| 17:15:35 | cmarqu | It's also missing |
| 17:15:54 | pb_ | Ah, yeah. |
| 17:16:03 | pb_ | Lemme see if I can get CVS to take that one. |
| 17:16:30 | pb_ | okay, it's there now. |
| 17:18:50 | cmarqu | /opt/applications/gpe_cvs_dev/gpe/base/gpe-contacts/missing: Unknown `--run' option |
| 17:18:50 | cmarqu | Try `/opt/applications/gpe_cvs_dev/gpe/base/gpe-contacts/missing --help' for more information |
| 17:18:53 | cmarqu | configure: warning: `missing' script is too old or missing |
| 17:19:08 | cmarqu | That's from configure, could that be the reason for intl? |
| 17:19:12 | pb_ | ugh. |
| 17:19:27 | pb_ | I dunno, all this stuff is completely mysterious to me. |
| 17:19:36 | cmarqu | Or is it my oldish automake stuff... |
| 17:19:53 | cmarqu | Well, just don't care. |
| 17:20:20 | pb_ | Yeah. |
| 17:25:29 | cmarqu | Version: 0.01 |
| 17:25:38 | cmarqu | Should I bump this up, to what? |
| 17:25:46 | pb_ | 0.011? :-) |
| 17:26:01 | cmarqu | 0.01-gpe1? :) |
| 17:26:16 | pb_ | Actually, best make it 0.02, don't wanna push our luck with ipkg-compareversions. |
| 17:26:25 | cmarqu | Yup |
| 17:29:59 | cmarqu | Okay. Please try to make a package... |
| 17:30:03 | cmarqu | Hi BBrox |
| 17:30:08 | pb_ | OK. |
| 17:31:02 | BBrox | 'lo all |
| 17:41:32 | pb_ | ok, it's uploaded. |
| 17:41:40 | pb_ | there's also a new gpe-minicalc with some different colours. |
| 17:42:42 | cmarqu | Nice. |
| 17:44:27 | cmarqu | Upgrading gpe-soundbite from 0.09 to 0.0999 |
| 17:44:33 | cmarqu | Now really... :) |
| 17:54:17 | spung | Installing gpe-terminal (0.0. |
| 17:54:18 | spung | Configuring gpe-terminal...Hangup |
| 17:54:42 | spung | i forget if this is good or bad? |
| 17:54:58 | spung | is this that update-menus thing? |
| 17:55:42 | pb_ | yes. |
| 17:55:53 | cmarqu | pb_: Argh. The icon does not get installed in gpe-contacts... |
| 17:55:55 | pb_ | install mibus's new appmgr and it should go away. |
| 17:56:06 | pb_ | cmarqu: oh dear, did I screw up? |
| 17:56:18 | cmarqu | No, it was me I guess... |
| 17:56:30 | cmarqu | To bad when one cannot check |
| 17:56:34 | pb_ | Yeah. |
| 18:02:04 | cmarqu | pb_: You could try again. Can you check on your ipaq first? |
| 18:02:16 | cmarqu | Argh. Wait. Version: |
| 18:02:40 | cmarqu | Version: 0.02-1 |
| 18:02:44 | pb_ | OK. |
| 18:02:47 | cmarqu | This really should work. |
| 18:02:52 | pb_ | :-) |
| 18:03:10 | cmarqu | I think I used that before. |
| 18:03:41 | cmarqu | Now. |
| 18:04:38 | pb_ | Still no good. :-/ |
| 18:04:43 | cmarqu | Argh? |
| 18:04:53 | pb_ | All the .xpms have gone away this time, for some unknown reason. |
| 18:05:03 | pb_ | And you seem to be shipping the icon as /usr/share/pixmaps! |
| 18:05:14 | pb_ | Want me to try to fix that? |
| 18:05:27 | cmarqu | Yes, please :/ |
| 18:05:43 | spung | ERROR: Package xstroke-ma5 is not available from any configured src. |
| 18:05:43 | cmarqu | for pixmap in ./icons/*; do \ |
| 18:05:43 | cmarqu | if test -f $pixmap; then \ |
| 18:05:43 | cmarqu | /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $pixmap /opt/applications/gpe_cvs_dev/gpe/base/gpe-contacts/familiar/dist/usr/share/pixmaps; \ |
| 18:05:46 | spung | what happened? |
| 18:05:47 | cmarqu | fi \ |
| 18:05:49 | cmarqu | done \ |
| 18:06:24 | cmarqu | man install... -c (ignored) |
| 18:06:29 | cmarqu | Great. |
| 18:06:42 | pb_ | :-) |
| 18:06:44 | cmarqu | Hardcode to install -D, I'd say. |
| 18:07:01 | cmarqu | spung: Got renamed to just xstroke. |
| 18:07:05 | cmarqu | AFAIK |
| 18:07:34 | spung | ERROR: Package xstroke is not available from any configured src. |
| 18:07:51 | pb_ | cmarqu: were you deliberately trying to move the xpms from /usr/share/gpe-contacts into /usr/share/pixmaps? |
| 18:08:23 | pb_ | I don't even know what those xpms are for, come to think of it. |
| 18:08:30 | cmarqu | pb_: Argh. I forgot there are other icons there... |
| 18:08:37 | cmarqu | pb_: For the buttons? |
| 18:09:06 | cmarqu | pb_: I just wanted gpe-contacts.png in /usr/share/pixmaps of course :/ |
| 18:09:25 | pb_ | Ah yes, they go in the buttons in the structure editor. |
| 18:10:07 | spung | pb_: what's that grey rectangle in the mbdock? |
| 18:10:24 | cmarqu | spung: Recent files. Will be removed from the next gpe-appmgr |
| 18:10:39 | cmarqu | Recent apps actually |
| 18:11:06 | | OK, pb_. |
| 18:11:06 | pb_ | ibot, weird grey rectangle in dock is the gpe-appmgr recent window: rumour has it that it will be going away in some future version. |
| 18:11:17 | cmarqu | :) |
| 18:11:26 | cmarqu | Message: protocol error: directory '/cvs/gpe/base/GPE-BatMon' not within root '/usr/cvs' |
| 18:11:29 | cmarqu | Argh. |
| 18:11:43 | pb_ | cmarqu: rm -r GPE-BatMon |
| 18:12:12 | cmarqu | pb_: I don't even have it locally |
| 18:12:36 | pb_ | whoa! |
| 18:12:50 | pb_ | hmm, icon still isn't showing up in gpe-appmgr even though the .png seems to be there. |
| 18:12:59 | cmarqu | Ugh. |
| 18:13:07 | cmarqu | Wrong png format? |
| 18:13:24 | pb_ | oh no, sorry, I was looking in the wrong tab. |
| 18:13:30 | pb_ | I'll upload that package, it seems to rock. |
| 18:13:37 | cmarqu | *sigh* |
| 18:14:09 | spung | wasn't that going to be renamed to gpe-batman? |
| 18:14:10 | spung | batmon |
| 18:14:50 | pb_ | okay, 0.02-1 is now in incoming. |
| 18:14:55 | cmarqu | PCL-CVS is a bitch |
| 18:15:00 | pb_ | gpe-batman would be cool. |
| 18:15:05 | cmarqu | :) |
| 18:21:39 | pb_ | ugh, gpe-todo is a real nightmare. |
| 18:22:24 | cmarqu | Got the fixed control files (s/GNU/GPE/) and the postinst's (plus I added postrm's) all checked in I think. |
| 18:22:42 | pb_ | Excellent, I've been watching the commit messages go by. |
| 18:23:16 | cmarqu | pb_: Could you please run find . -name control | xargs grep GNU after cvs up'ing? I'm not totally sure I got them all... |
| 18:23:25 | cmarqu | PCL-CVS is sometimes behaving strangely. |
| 18:24:24 | mallum | hey |
| 18:24:32 | pb_ | yo mallum |
| 18:24:58 | prpplague | howdy mallum |
| 18:25:22 | cmarqu | Hi mallum |
| 18:25:25 | pb_ | cmarqu: all looks okay now, bar a handful of debian control files. |
| 18:25:30 | pb_ | cmarqu: did anybody fix the web pages? |
| 18:26:11 | prpplague | mallum: just finished building a rootfs to test on the thin client, hopefully i can test something before you call it a night |
| 18:27:22 | mallum | prpplague: cool |
| 18:27:42 | mallum | prpplague: I dont know why there is no fb code for c&t chips :( |
| 18:30:28 | cmarqu | pb_: Not yet. Let me see. |
| 18:37:08 | cmarqu | pb_: Web pages fixed. |
| 18:37:39 | pb_ | cmarqu, you rule. |
| 18:37:40 | cmarqu | pb_: Those debian/postinst, do these need fixing too, or are they relics? |
| 18:37:52 | pb_ | debian/control you mean. Yeah, if you feel like it. |
| 18:38:07 | cmarqu | Okay. |
| 18:39:16 | cmarqu | cmarqu: Ah. I just didn't check them in. Can you give me the list? |
| 18:39:34 | pb_ | ./libgpewidget/debian/control:Description: GNU Palmtop Environment widget library |
| 18:39:34 | pb_ | ./gpe-edit/debian/control:Description: GNU Palmtop Environment text editor |
| 18:39:34 | pb_ | ./gpe-ownerinfo/debian/control:Description: GNU Palmtop Environment owner information |
| 18:41:12 | cmarqu | Committed. |
| 18:41:18 | cmarqu | BBIAB |
| 18:51:11 | spung | poll: should gpe-today ignore wm destroy events like gpe-appmgr? |
| 18:51:19 | pb_ | no. |
| 18:51:33 | pb_ | nothing, not even gpe-appmgr, should ignore destroy events like gpe-appmgr. |
| 18:51:51 | spung | pb_: actually i kind of like gpe-appmgr ignoring it |
| 18:52:10 | spung | pb_: it should have some way some way of exiting tho |
| 18:53:56 | pb_ | it's confusing for users that the close icon does nothing, they will think something is broken. |
| 18:54:16 | pb_ | it wouldn't be (so) bad if you could stop the icon showing up at all, but the current situation is definitely not that great. |
| 18:54:37 | spung | pb_: either that or ask if user is sure about exitinf |
| 18:58:42 | spung | pb_: libgpewidget docs say it * GtkTooltips: tips suppressed when in "stylus" mode |
| 18:58:51 | spung | i haven't seen this happen in my system |
| 18:58:57 | spung | latest unstable feed.. |
| 19:00:09 | pb_ | works for me with e.g. gpe-calendar |
| 19:08:27 | spung | pb_: http://www.handhelds.org/scap/port.2.png |
| 19:08:52 | spung | pb_: wrong link, just check scap (first shot right now) |
| 19:09:11 | pb_ | are you actually in stylus mode? |
| 19:09:50 | spung | pb_: how does that work? |
| 19:10:06 | pb_ | sets a property on the root called something like _GPE_STYLUS_MODE. |
| 19:10:24 | spung | pb_: hum? |
| 19:10:34 | pb_ | check with xprop. |
| 19:10:50 | spung | pb_: haven't got that |
| 19:11:13 | pb_ | well, use a remote client, or install it. |
| 19:11:16 | pb_ | you should see: |
| 19:11:20 | pb_ | GPE_STYLUS_MODE(INTEGER) = 1 |
| 19:11:31 | pb_ | (I was wrong about the leading underscore) |
| 19:12:02 | pb_ | the newest, as in just uploaded about ten minutes ago, detect-stylus will also set a Matchbox resource in xrdb, so you could check that instead if it's easier. |
| 19:12:54 | spung | Downloading http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/xaux-clients_4.arm.ipk |
| 19:12:57 | spung | Installing xaux-clients (4. |
| 19:12:59 | spung | ERROR: Package xaux-clients wants to install file /usr/XR6/bin/xmodmap |
| 19:13:02 | spung | But that file is already provided by package xbase-clients |
| 19:13:05 | spung | ERROR: Package xaux-clients wants to install file /usr/XR6/lib/X/app-defaults/XTerm |
| 19:13:07 | spung | But that file is already provided by package <no package> |
| 19:13:10 | spung | Please move this file out of the way and try again. |
| 19:13:12 | spung | ERROR: Package xaux-clients wants to install file /usr/share/doc/xbase-clients/copyright |
| 19:13:15 | spung | But that file is already provided by package xbase-clients |
| 19:13:18 | spung | ERROR: Package xaux-clients wants to install file /usr/lib/menu/xset |
| 19:13:20 | spung | But that file is already provided by package xbase-clients |
| 19:13:23 | spung | Cannot find package xaux-clients. |
| 19:13:25 | spung | Check the spelling or perhaps run `ipkg update' |
| 19:13:47 | pb_ | oh dear. |
| 19:13:54 | pb_ | best complain to jg I suppose. |
| 19:18:28 | prpplague | mallum: http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/MatchBox |
| 19:19:54 | pb_ | short and sweet :-) |
| 19:21:44 | spung | mallum: i want to package my portuguese xkbdrc, what do you think that'd be the best way to do that... also, how should we handle different layouts, i mean, layout should be split from other settings like font size, color, etc.. |
| 19:42:30 | mccarthy | does the dock-version of the recent apps work for anyone else? |
| 19:42:54 | pb_ | yes, works for me. |
| 19:43:37 | mccarthy | pb_: with mibus' newest ipk? (from his page) |
| 19:44:26 | mallum | spung: I guess for now, name the conf files as kbdconfig.type.lang and make the ipkg put them in /usr/share/xkbd/ |
| 19:44:46 | mccarthy | pb_: how do I make my fonts pretty again? I just reflashed and the gpe fonts look awful |
| 19:44:56 | pb_ | mccarthy: ah, hmm, no, with that one the recent window just stays blank. |
| 19:45:03 | pb_ | mccarthy: did you run postinst? |
| 19:45:08 | mccarthy | pb_: yep |
| 19:45:24 | mccarthy | pb_: do you have another gpe-appmgr ipk? |
| 19:45:41 | pb_ | mccarthy: there's the one in handhelds.org/~pb, it's a little bit older than mibus's one. |
| 19:46:21 | mccarthy | pb_: but it has a working dock-app? |
| 19:46:50 | pb_ | mccarthy: ah! the "show recent apps" switch had gotten turned off somehow. I enabled that in appmgr-setup and the dock thing is working for me now with mibus's package. |
| 19:47:22 | pb_ | mccarthy: it's a bit confusing that it shows the window even when that is disabled, just doesn't put anything into it. |
| 19:47:30 | mccarthy | pb_: ahhh.... so it opens that silly window even when it isnt supposed to show them, eh? |
| 19:47:46 | pb_ | apparently, yes. |
| 19:48:11 | | somebody said weird grey rectangle in dock was the gpe-appmgr recent window: rumour has it that it will be going away in some future version. |
| 19:48:11 | pb_ | ibot, weird grey rectangle in dock? |
| 19:48:31 | spung | mallum: ok, what about splitting options? |
| 19:48:49 | | okay, pb_. |
| 19:48:49 | pb_ | ibot, weird grey rectangle in dock is also prone to appear even when "show recent tab" is disabled - in that case it just stays blank. |
| 19:48:59 | mallum | spung: splitting options ? |
| 19:49:27 | spung | mallum: layout vs "font, color, etc.." |
| 19:51:03 | pb_ | mccarthy: wanna file a bug against gpe-appmgr? Maybe mibus will fix it in the "real" 0.07. |
| 19:52:21 | mallum | spung: just keep them quite plain I guess, people can edit them if they want |
| 19:53:23 | spung | mallum: IMHO, splitting them is the best way to go.. because in the future it'll be handled by stuff like gpe-setup or something |
| 19:53:48 | mccarthy | pb_: if I can find my bugzilla password |
| 19:53:50 | mccarthy | :) |
| 19:54:01 | mccarthy | pb_: what font does the gpe theme use? |
| 19:54:09 | mallum | spung: splitting ? |
| 19:54:50 | spung | mallum: xkbdrc for options (font, color, etc...) xkbdrc.layout for layout for instance |
| 19:55:55 | mallum | spung: I dont have a clue what your on about .... |
| 19:56:32 | pb_ | mccarthy: -adobe-helvetica-medium-r-*-*-9-*-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1 |
| 19:56:44 | pb_ | mccarthy: if xfonts-75dpi is installed you should have it. |
| 19:57:37 | spung | mallum: two different config files for xkbd. one for keyboard layout (keys, keysyms, etc...) another for font, color, etc.. |
| 19:57:55 | mallum | spung: maybe in the future not now though |
| 19:58:34 | mallum | spung: font, color etc would be handled by XResources, XSettings, gpe-conf etc |
| 19:58:43 | spung | mallum: right |
| 19:59:12 | spung | mallum: so the config file will end up being just keys, keysyms, etc.. ? |
| 20:00:24 | mallum | spung: maybe |
| 20:00:42 | mallum | spung: color, font in that probably overridden by what ever conf system we go with |
| 20:11:16 | mccarthy | pb_: should I be using the unsquashed libgtk? |
| 20:14:53 | wizly | hi |
| 20:15:00 | pb_ | mccarthy: I uploaded a new version of the ordinary libgtk1.2 today that should be OK. |
| 20:15:21 | mccarthy | pb_: fam5? |
| 20:15:47 | pb_ | no, 1.2.10-2-fam1 |
| 20:15:56 | mallum | hey wizly |
| 20:29:27 | prpplague | mallum: hey, got matchbox 0.3.2 running on an x86 box |
| 20:30:00 | prpplague | mallum: matchbox runs, i can start mbdock, and then a monolaunch, but when i start monolaunch it segfaults mbdock |
| 20:30:57 | prpplague | mallum: and if i try the add menu i get stderr warnings about bad window |
| 20:31:20 | mallum | WEHAY -> http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT5966737838.html |
| 20:31:56 | mallum | prpplague: hmm, thats really wierd ... |
| 20:32:17 | prpplague | congrads |
| 20:32:18 | mallum | prpplague: mind you x86 is the most least tested platform ... |
| 20:32:23 | prpplague | mallum: hmm |
| 20:32:28 | pb_ | mallum: cool! |
| 20:35:14 | cmarqu | Wah! It's mallum down there! :) |
| 20:35:25 | mallum | MUHAHAHAHAHA |
| 20:38:39 | pb_ | prpplague: hmm, I see the stderr stuff too on x86. |
| 20:39:46 | pb_ | prpplague: seems to be related to trying to launch an application that doesn't actually start, like miniwave (I have no wireless on my desktop) |
| 20:40:03 | cmarqu | Ah, GPE advertisement. |
| 20:41:14 | cmarqu | "I81N" :) |
| 20:42:01 | mallum | oops typo |
| 20:42:22 | mallum | I than that inter-planatery rather than inter-country |
| 20:43:10 | cmarqu | LOL |
| 20:43:38 | pb_ | prpplague: I can't get the dock to crash though. |
| 20:44:02 | mccarthy | mallum: you know that mmenu doesn't clean itself up if it is transparent and you click on a different drop-down entry? (rather than choosing one in the current drop-down) |
| 20:44:52 | mallum | mccarthy: because its a hack |
| 20:45:44 | cmarqu | Hey, who has all these other apps? moray? : http://gpe.handhelds.org/images/gpe-appmgr.png |
| 20:46:12 | pb_ | Yeah, moray made those shots. |
| 20:46:27 | prpplague | pb_: are you able to add items to the bar? |
| 20:46:51 | pb_ | prpplague: yes, I added a monolaunch and a clock. |
| 20:47:43 | cmarqu | Do we want to call apps "GPE Time" or just "Clock"? I note it's "Contacts", not "GPE Contacts". |
| 20:48:09 | cmarqu | "GPE-Time" with the dash is especially wrong. |
| 20:48:40 | pb_ | cmarqu: well, most of them seem to omit the "GPE", e.g. gpe-calendar, gpe-todo, gpe-edit. |
| 20:49:02 | cmarqu | pb_: I think I like that... |
| 20:49:29 | prpplague | pb_: how are you starting x? |
| 20:49:44 | pb_ | cmarqu: yeah. On the whole it seems better to aim for the text in appmgr to be descriptive ("Calendar", "Text Editor") rather than just the name of the program. |
| 20:49:51 | pb_ | prpplague: I was testing in Xnest. |
| 20:50:21 | prpplague | mallum: nice pic |
| 20:50:22 | cmarqu | pb_: I'll change it then |
| 20:50:43 | cmarqu | Oh: # ipkg install dfm |
| 20:50:47 | cmarqu | Installing libglade0 (0.16-2) |
| 20:50:49 | pb_ | cmarqu: in fact, on a quick inspection of my machine, the only app that has "GPE" in the displayed name is "GPE-Screen". |
| 20:50:56 | cmarqu | Downloading http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/libxml1_1.8.11-1_arm.ipk |
| 20:50:59 | cmarqu | ! |
| 20:51:05 | pb_ | wowsers |
| 20:51:11 | cmarqu | pb_: moray has some more. |
| 20:51:30 | cmarqu | Why doesn't it conflict in that direction? Hmm. |
| 20:51:31 | prpplague | pb_: hmm, i'm trying to start it from xinit |
| 20:52:05 | pb_ | cmarqu: ah yes, so he does. On my machine, gpe-media is "Media Player", and I don't have gpe-time at all. |
| 20:52:37 | cmarqu | pb_: With gpe-media, it probably depends which tarball this is... |
| 20:52:55 | prpplague | pb_: hmm, ok i got it start, but i still can't add |
| 20:53:37 | pb_ | cmarqu: yeah, I dunno, it's probably some dubious bootleg version I got from dc. |
| 20:53:57 | cmarqu | GPE-Media/gpe-media.glade: <name>GPE-Media</name> |
| 20:54:05 | cmarqu | GPE-Time/gpe-time.glade: <name>GPE-Time</name> |
| 20:54:07 | cmarqu | etc. |
| 20:54:35 | cmarqu | Well, I'll take of that when we actually have packages. |
| 20:54:42 | pb_ | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.6701.png is the kind of thing I see in my appmgr. |
| 20:55:03 | mccarthy | pb_: did you take the hide button out of gpe-todo? |
| 20:55:15 | pb_ | I dunno how many of these icons and descriptions match what's in CVS or the packages. |
| 20:55:26 | pb_ | mccarthy: not to my knowledge, I don't think I've made a release of gpe-todo in ages. |
| 20:55:50 | cmarqu | pb_: When I set up contacts now, and we later change the arrangements, the data will still fit, as long as we don't change the tag names, right? |
| 20:56:00 | pb_ | Yeah. |
| 20:56:11 | cmarqu | Nice. |
| 20:56:25 | prpplague | ahh, missing the mbdock dir |
| 20:56:43 | pb_ | The tag names are the only things that get stored in the database, everything else is just chrome. |
| 20:57:17 | pb_ | I did consider trying to add some kind of descriptive field for each tag that would explain what it meant, but there wasn't any reasonable way to make that work in the presence of i18n and arbitrary screen layouts. |
| 20:58:25 | cmarqu | Hmm. Well, it doesn't hurt though, and we might use it later. |
| 20:59:18 | cmarqu | OTOH, if the tag names are very descriptive, it's okay. |
| 20:59:33 | pb_ | I think they're descriptive enough. |
| 20:59:47 | cmarqu | Ah. New tag we need: AKA |
| 20:59:55 | pb_ | Ah yes. |
| 21:00:05 | cmarqu | Or do you think this should be a user field too? |
| 21:00:30 | cmarqu | pb AKA pb_ AKA pb__ ... :) |
| 21:00:42 | pb_ | Well, you can make up as many tags as you want, and there's certainly value in having a central list of well-known ones. |
| 21:01:09 | pb_ | I don't especially think "aka" is something we should ship in the default layout, but it's just one field so it would be easy to slip it in somewhere. |
| 21:01:50 | cmarqu | Where would I list other known tags if they are not in the default layout? |
| 21:01:51 | prpplague | wahoo, got it running |
| 21:03:59 | mccarthy | mallum: what does it mean when a dock-app becomes all white (and stops working)? |
| 21:04:42 | moray | cmarqu/pb_: that appmgr screenshot you pointed at isn't from me, I don't have that much stuff ;) |
| 21:04:45 | mallum | mccarthy: its a bug ... Im not 100% sure whats causing it at the moment |
| 21:05:07 | mallum | mccarthy: the app is missing expose events for some reason - it you drag a dialog over it, it will be ok |
| 21:05:33 | cmarqu | moray: Ah :) |
| 21:06:04 | mccarthy | mallum: drag a dialog, huh? any suggestions of which? |
| 21:06:33 | mallum | mccarthy: dillo ? |
| 21:06:53 | mallum | mccarthy: or hide, unhide the dock ? |
| 21:06:58 | pb_ | moray, cmarqu: ah, it was mibus! |
| 21:07:30 | cmarqu | pb_: What does "Schedule" mean in gpe-contacts? "To Calendar"? |
| 21:07:39 | pb_ | cmarqu: yep, I think so. |
| 21:07:56 | cmarqu | Maybe that's a better term then... |
| 21:07:57 | pb_ | cmarqu: in common with most of the rest of the UI, it doesn't actually do anything at the moment. |
| 21:08:01 | mccarthy | mallum: hide/unhide doesnt work, but dillo did |
| 21:08:02 | pb_ | cmarqu: yeah, could be. |
| 21:08:08 | cmarqu | That's fine... |
| 21:09:08 | prpplague | mallum: can you selectively decide which apps have title bar and which do not? |
| 21:10:12 | cmarqu | Hmm. "Edit Contact" is unusable with xkbd. |
| 21:10:24 | pb_ | ah, is it? |
| 21:10:43 | mallum | prpplague: you cant currently |
| 21:11:14 | cmarqu | pb_: Yeah. Let me make a screenshot. |
| 21:11:23 | pb_ | cmarqu: ah, you mean the way the window gets crunched up and the lower part is inaccessible? |
| 21:11:24 | prpplague | mallum: hmm, almost all of my apps are design for not title bar, but i'd like to use other apps that don't have good windows functions |
| 21:11:43 | cmarqu | pb_: Right. Should all be in a scrolled window maybe. |
| 21:11:47 | pb_ | Yeah. |
| 21:12:13 | pb_ | The nested frame effect you get on the Locations page isn't all that attractive either. :-/ |
| 21:12:54 | pb_ | BTW, the Photo tab is probably unnecessary, that's what the Image button is for on the first page. |
| 21:12:54 | mallum | prpplague: run matchbox with -no_title switch |
| 21:13:32 | prpplague | mallum: right, but what running legacy apps that need the title bar [x] |
| 21:14:44 | pb_ | bind a monolaunch to xkill? :-) |
| 21:14:56 | prpplague | pb_: haha |
| 21:15:22 | cmarqu | Yup, but that's still okay. |
| 21:15:27 | mallum | prpplague: pb_ knows the monolaunch mastery :)) |
| 21:16:13 | cmarqu | pb_: Saving an address doesn't work for me... it also crashed twice on me now (related to the address editing). |
| 21:16:31 | pb_ | cmarqu: can you get a backtrace or anything? |
| 21:16:38 | cmarqu | pb_: Let me try |
| 21:17:41 | cmarqu | Oh. Logged me out now under gdb, with a SIGPIPE :) |
| 21:17:50 | pb_ | Oh dear. |
| 21:17:57 | cmarqu | OOM I guess |
| 21:18:04 | pb_ | Busybox sh does seem a bit prone to just quit when bad things happen to its clients. |
| 21:18:18 | pb_ | Try running gpe-contacts under catchsegv, maybe that will be good enough. |
| 21:18:20 | cmarqu | This is not busybox though |
| 21:18:25 | pb_ | Ah. |
| 21:18:36 | cmarqu | Well, let me try again |
| 21:18:39 | pb_ | Oh well, probably OOM then like you said. |
| 21:19:51 | cmarqu | Works now under gdb, no crash :/ |
| 21:20:23 | pb_ | Oh dear. |
| 21:20:30 | pb_ | I haven't managed to make it crash either. |
| 21:21:13 | cmarqu | So maybe it was OOM too. |
| 21:21:34 | pb_ | Possibly. |
| 21:22:00 | cmarqu | Looks like all the multi-line fields don't work. but the rest does. |
| 21:22:11 | pb_ | Mmm, right. |
| 21:29:55 | prpplague | anyone point me to a reference for the debian style /usr/lib/menus for use with mmenu ? |
| 21:34:12 | cmarqu | One se. |
| 21:34:14 | cmarqu | One sec. |
| 21:34:57 | cmarqu | http://www.handhelds.org/~nelson/menu/ |
| 21:35:10 | cmarqu | http://familiar.handhelds.org/policy/menu.html |
| 21:35:52 | prpplague | cmarqu: thanks thats just what i needed |
| 21:37:49 | cmarqu | prpplague: actually, we might switch to vfolder in the mid-term future, like Debian is |
| 21:38:03 | cmarqu | prpplague: I'd just copy a working menu file and be done |
| 21:39:54 | cmarqu | moray: gpe-soundbite (record) takes about a minute to determine that it has 81 mins left to record :) |
| 21:40:42 | cmarqu | Hmm, and just now, playing needed like 2 mins |
| 21:41:05 | prpplague | cmarqu: thanks, this will be a custom system and i need to know how to build the menus |
| 21:41:13 | cmarqu | Ah, okay. |
| 21:41:13 | prpplague | cmarqu: appreciate all the help |
| 21:41:19 | cmarqu | np |
| 21:43:50 | moray | cmarqu: are you trying to play/record from flash? if so, I doubt it will work anyway -- but I'd be interested to know what's making it that slow anyway, since I haven't seen that behaviour |
| 21:45:13 | cmarqu | moray: Yeah, this is CF, and playing an old record works. Recording a new one... no. |
| 21:45:54 | cmarqu | moray: I need to go sleep now though, let's talk about this tomorrow. |
| 21:46:00 | moray | cmarqu: that's much what I'd expect - it's recording to flash that's (especially) slow |
| 21:46:12 | moray | cmarqu: fine, good night :) |
| 21:46:36 | cmarqu | moray: so could we buffer in RAM, then write to flash? |
| 21:49:35 | cmarqu | Good night then, now really. |
| 23:32:33 | prpplague | any matchbox gurus awake? |
