| 04:55:32 | colin_werk | Morning. |
| 05:58:55 | dc_ | hrmf |
| 06:01:47 | colin_werk | Hi dc |
| 06:07:40 | dc_ | hrm |
| 06:09:28 | dc_ | colin_werk: I just bought some cross-over cable... |
| 06:11:46 | dc_ | colin_werk: but can't seem to get the 2 boxes talking :{ |
| 06:12:45 | dc_ | :[ |
| 06:14:28 | colin_werk | Uhm. |
| 06:16:53 | dc_ | not very fun |
| 06:17:00 | dc_ | it seems the be the window box... |
| 06:17:08 | dc_ | I mean what else could it be ;] |
| 06:18:27 | colin_werk | I had such a problem once, the solution was to deinstall and reinstall the 'doze drivers. After hours of trying to get it to play. |
| 06:18:36 | dc_ | brb |
| 06:18:40 | dc_ | doing that |
| 07:11:52 | dc_ | it seems I had the toaly wrong drivers install, so I'm just downloading some new ones. |
| 07:11:57 | dc_ | and then we can have xchat! |
| 07:11:59 | dc_ | and gpe :D |
| 07:12:10 | dc_ | and gpe-media development can live on! |
| 07:12:13 | dc_ | :D |
| 07:14:03 | pb | morning |
| 07:14:51 | colin_werk | Hi pb |
| 07:16:29 | colin_werk | pb: Harlekin was here yesterday and wanted to know about our DB status. He seems to think that DaveH wants to store vcards in the DB... I'm not sure if that is true, or just was an example in DaveHs docs. |
| 07:17:44 | colin_werk | He also said the schema was "strange" and "limited". Didn't back up the limited part though. |
| 07:18:28 | pb | Yah. He mentioned something about that the other day. |
| 07:19:00 | pb | DaveH _does_ have some wacky thing about storing VCard data in the database, I'm not really sure what that is about either. |
| 07:20:48 | pb | As I said to Max before, the schema is certainly open for modification, but there isn't a whole lot we can do to address his concerns until he manages to articulate what those actually are. |
| 07:21:24 | colin_werk | Hmm. As long as we make sure all stuff that can be expressed in vcard can also be expressed in the DB, then it's fine. |
| 07:21:28 | colin_werk | Yeah, right. |
| 07:22:42 | colin_werk | pb: BTW, scummvm and keylaunch both pick up button presses now, how can I cleanly prevent keylaunch from listening when I run scummvm? And do I want that at all? |
| 07:25:09 | dc_ | pb: I have network cable :D |
| 07:25:34 | dc_ | need to go get some dinery |
| 07:25:36 | dc_ | dinner |
| 07:25:50 | dc_ | but I should have access setup on the iBook later on :D |
| 07:26:09 | dc_ | so I can get back to our beloved code :D |
| 07:27:10 | pb | colin_werk: I'm not sure exactly, need to look at the code. |
| 07:27:24 | pb | colin_werk: Mallum seemed to think it should be possible to make it work though. |
| 07:28:26 | colin_werk | Good. The status quo is a bit annoying :) |
| 07:28:27 | pb | colin_werk: I _think_ scummvm just needs to catch the button presses and stop them propagating down to the root window. But I'm not sure about that at the moment. |
| 07:29:25 | colin_werk | Ah. I can ask BBrox when I'm at home. |
| 07:29:53 | pb | back in a bit. |
| 08:18:45 | mallum | hey |
| 08:24:29 | mallum | I think menu entries should contain the full path to the icon BTW ... |
| 09:05:31 | pb_ | hey mallum |
| 09:08:20 | colin_werk | mallum: Hi. Full path? All packages I know have just the file name... |
| 09:09:16 | colin_werk | wonders if the menu policy says something about this |
| 09:19:26 | mallum | colin_werk: well they are broke then |
| 09:19:30 | mallum | pb_: hey |
| 09:19:37 | mallum | pb_: get back all right last night ? |
| 09:20:16 | mallum | colin_werk: menu policy seems to say nothing about it, though grepping my laptops /usr/lib/menu, all icon entries have the full path |
| 09:23:02 | pb_ | mallum: yup, no problems with the trains. |
| 09:23:28 | mallum | pb_: cool |
| 09:23:41 | pb_ | mallum: you're right, all the menu files on my desktop seem to have full paths for the icons too. |
| 09:24:15 | mallum | pb_: plus with no completely standard location for icons that I know of I think the full path makes most sense |
| 09:24:45 | pb_ | yeah. |
| 09:26:31 | colin_werk | Okay, I'll change my packages and maybe file bugs for the other ones. matchbox is the default WM for 0.6, so having packages play nicely with it is important. |
| 09:26:46 | colin_werk | Too bad I cannot file the bugs automated, per mail... |
| 09:29:06 | mallum | colin_werk: Im working on png support at the moment you'll be happy to know :) |
| 09:29:30 | colin_werk | BTW, can we make source packages already? I guess the infrastructure is not in place yet... |
| 09:29:47 | colin_werk | mallum: Ah, nice. |
| 09:34:56 | mallum | woohoo, png support working :)) |
| 09:36:02 | colin_werk | Yay! |
| 09:36:04 | mallum | though Im not AA'ing them yet .... |
| 09:36:43 | mallum | pb_: what equ do you use to calculate the actual color when combined with the alpha and background colour ? |
| 09:37:18 | colin_werk | Oh, I forgot: Goetz Bock was here yesterday too, he wants to make a dualboot image with GPE. He has problems with a bootgpe package... never heard about that? |
| 09:37:42 | pb_ | mallum: just straight ratios, see the code in libgpewidget/render.c. |
| 09:37:47 | colin_werk | And he wanted to ask if it's possible to use xstroke with gpe-login... Would that be hard to get? |
| 09:39:55 | pb_ | Well, you can launch xstroke from gpe-login.setup. I don't think its control window will show up though, that could be a problem. |
| 09:40:24 | pb_ | No, I've never heard of bootgpe. Is that some kind of gpe-enabled bootstrap flash image? |
| 09:42:29 | mallum | pb_: you are using equal rations for r,g and b components right ? |
| 09:51:44 | pb_ | right. |
| 09:53:35 | colin_werk | pb_: Apparently bootgpe is in fam 0.6pre1. Goetz said he'll show up today and ask again. |
| 09:54:40 | colin_werk | Well, could we make xstroke's control window show up? Admittedly, the way wince and OPIE handle the input selection makes sens, IMO. |
| 09:55:32 | spung | mallum: good morning |
| 09:57:53 | mallum | hello spung |
| 10:00:24 | spung | colin_werk: xstroke's control window? what's that? |
| 10:01:04 | mallum | spung: the dock window |
| 10:05:35 | pb_ | colin_werk: well, I think the new xstroke will only show up in a dock. I guess running mbdock from gpe-login.setup would work. |
| 10:07:24 | spung | pb_: or we could make a rectangular app where where we can stroke on |
| 10:12:09 | pb_ | hmm, how would that work exactly? |
| 10:12:13 | spung | i mean |
| 10:12:22 | mallum | pb_, spung: best thing to do would probably make xstrokes controlwin give it window id via an -xid switch like xkbd |
| 10:12:22 | spung | it would probably be an extension to xstroke |
| 10:12:30 | spung | mallum: yes |
| 10:12:37 | spung | something like that |
| 10:12:53 | spung | something like OPIE's and wince's text recognition apps |
| 10:12:59 | spung | it can be useful sometimes |
| 10:13:00 | pb_ | mallum: and "dock" it manually in gpe-login? |
| 10:13:13 | mallum | pb_: yeah, the same as xkbd works |
| 10:13:19 | spung | yes |
| 10:13:38 | pb_ | yeah, I guess we could do that. But just running an instance of mbdock seems like less work :-) |
| 10:13:58 | mallum | pb_: hmmm, its probably only a few lines to the xstroke source ... |
| 10:14:36 | mallum | pb_: all it bascially has to do is print it windows id to stdout and pick up an xid switch .. pretty simple .. even spung may be able to manage it ;) |
| 10:14:45 | spung | and in the future maybe we could add more functionality to that control window |
| 10:14:54 | spung | (when not docked) |
| 10:14:58 | pb_ | mallum: sure, it's easy enough. |
| 10:15:08 | spung | mallum: ;) |
| 10:16:26 | mallum | remember if we run the dock there, then a) the user has to have matchbox installed and b) they could add a term to the dock, launch the term and be root ... |
| 10:16:53 | pb_ | mallum: true. |
| 10:17:08 | spung | mallum: or they could just type login: root pass: rootme ;) |
| 10:17:11 | pb_ | mallum: we could easily enough add a command-line switch to the dock to suppress the popup menu though. |
| 10:18:29 | mallum | pb_: yes, or even jsut set the held down time to a couple years ;) |
| 10:18:32 | pb_ | heh |
| 10:18:43 | pb_ | is the xstroke control window strictly necessary, in fact? |
| 10:18:59 | spung | pb_: pretty much |
| 10:19:03 | pb_ | spung: why? |
| 10:19:15 | mallum | in theory no, if the window detection could really work 100% |
| 10:19:40 | spung | pb_: well, i guess you could easily enter different modes without knowing |
| 10:19:41 | pb_ | mallum: well, at the login screen there shouldn't be a problem, detection can be enabled all the time. |
| 10:19:45 | mallum | spung: do you think you'll mever write up you xkbd howto ? |
| 10:19:48 | spung | and it'd be difficult to type stuff |
| 10:20:02 | mallum | pb_: ah yes indeed |
| 10:20:27 | spung | mallum: i was thinking about the better way |
| 10:20:33 | spung | mallum: package the necessary stuff |
| 10:20:37 | spung | mallum: and all that |
| 10:21:28 | colin_werk | Yeah, I guess detection can always be on. |
| 10:24:33 | spung | mallum: i'll split the console-data deb into different ipkgs |
| 10:25:16 | spung | mallum: that's all we need really |
| 10:25:28 | spung | mallum: and package different xkbd maps |
| 10:25:56 | mallum | spung: probably best to write the docs first |
| 10:26:06 | mallum | spung: I want to see what you've done |
| 10:26:22 | spung | mallum: you're the xkbd guy.. how do you think we should handle different layouts? xkbdrc linking to xkbdrc.pt for instance? |
| 10:27:23 | spung | mallum: well, ok.. let me get it working on my ipaq and take some notes |
| 10:27:40 | mallum | spung: I have some ideas ... like to see what you did first before I commit to any of them |
| 10:28:02 | spung | mallum: want me to write some notes and send them to you? |
| 10:28:34 | mallum | spung: no some proper documentation like you promised would be better |
| 10:29:03 | pb_ | hmm, I think spung's point about xstroke getting into a funny mode is a valid one though. |
| 10:29:26 | spung | mallum: hmm, ok. should it be a FAQ? |
| 10:29:34 | spung | mallum: a new section? |
| 10:30:24 | mallum | spung: whatever you think it fits best in |
| 10:34:34 | spung | mallum: what is the file again? |
| 10:34:45 | spung | nevermind |
| 10:35:58 | spung | mallum: what is the command to parse docbook? |
| 10:37:41 | spung | omg |
| 10:37:46 | spung | mallum: ignore me! please! |
| 10:38:07 | spung | mallum: i had like 4 hours sleep |
| 10:38:11 | spung | but ignore me! |
| 10:38:41 | colin_werk | gphoto2 uses xmlto |
| 10:39:11 | spung | colin_werk: i wonder if it's possible to connect a usb camera to the ipaq, that's be fun |
| 10:42:43 | colin_werk | spung: It's cannot. It cannot act as a USB host, the hardware doesn't allow that. |
| 10:43:44 | colin_werk | Auto-detecting a CF with photos on it and then displaying them would be possible though. |
| 10:43:59 | spung | colin_werk: yes |
| 10:44:33 | colin_werk | Maybe familiar should define a standard filename like "autorun.inf" that is checked for on every CF that is inserted :) |
| 10:44:35 | pb_ | it's a shame you don't seem to be able to buy USB host CF cards. |
| 10:45:05 | colin_werk | Yeah... |
| 10:45:46 | colin_werk | I have a digicam with SmartMedia, so the CF "trick" doesn't work for me anyway |
| 10:46:06 | pb_ | You should suggest the "auto-detecting a cf with photos on" to Damien, he was planning to work on some kind of gpe-gallery application. |
| 10:49:27 | colin_werk | Ah yeah. How would an inserted CF card start someting though? It needs support in ide.opts or somewhere there... would be nice to get that in the package itself, so that it can be as automatic as possible |
| 10:49:40 | colin_werk | I remember that Russ Nelson did this once |
| 10:52:59 | spung | pb_: he has a nice gallery app in python |
| 10:53:13 | spung | pb_: very nice really |
| 10:54:25 | mallum | spung: I wasn't ignoring you just afk ... |
| 10:54:50 | mallum | spung: apt-get install docbook2html |
| 10:56:15 | spung | mallum: what's the best place to find the keysym definitions? |
| 10:57:11 | spung | mallum: /usr/include/Xeleven/keysymdef.h ? |
| 10:57:31 | spung | (can't type number one, messed up irssi's binds) |
| 10:57:36 | pb_ | spung: yes, that's the one, he was going to rewrite it in C. |
| 11:04:58 | mallum | spung: yes /usr/X11R6/include |
| 11:09:54 | spung | mallum: i'm having trouble finding something in the docbook reference... how do i make a link to another section? |
| 11:11:21 | mallum | spung: hmm cant remember I *think* its the <link> tag |
| 11:12:22 | spung | mallum: ahh, found it. <xref> thanks |
| 11:12:31 | mallum | spung: cool :) |
| 11:12:54 | dc_ | well, well. |
| 11:12:57 | mallum | hey dc |
| 11:13:03 | dc_ | I am >< close! |
| 11:13:06 | dc_ | mallum: hey man. |
| 11:13:14 | pb_ | yo dc_ |
| 11:13:16 | dc_ | mallum: you know _anything_ about DHCP ;} |
| 11:13:48 | dc_ | I have the ibook and win box connected... |
| 11:13:56 | dc_ | and they talk. |
| 11:14:17 | dc_ | but the linux iBook won't respond to my windows dhcp server offers.. |
| 11:14:32 | pb_ | dc_: can you not assign manual addresses? |
| 11:14:41 | pb_ | dc_: which dhcp client are you using on linux? |
| 11:15:14 | dc_ | pb_: dhclient |
| 11:15:29 | dc_ | pb_: I get.. |
| 11:15:53 | dc_ | DHCPDISCOVERon eth0 to 255.255.255.255 blah, blah |
| 11:15:54 | dc_ | then |
| 11:16:17 | dc_ | DHCPOFFER from 192.168.0.1 blah blah (the win box with the dhcp server) |
| 11:16:42 | dc_ | but then it just keeps on doing DHCPDISCOVER's and doesn't respond to the offer from 192.168.0.1 |
| 11:16:50 | dc_ | or that's what I assume |
| 11:16:55 | pb_ | hmm |
| 11:17:03 | pb_ | do you have anything in /etc/dhclient.conf? |
| 11:17:12 | dc_ | yes... |
| 11:17:24 | dc_ | I tried with the deault config... |
| 11:17:53 | dc_ | pb_: are there any options to set the dhcp servers to respond to? |
| 11:18:05 | pb_ | dc_: you should be able to leave the conf file blank. |
| 11:18:10 | dc_ | I did. |
| 11:18:39 | pb_ | dc_: yeah, you can certainly set things that will make it picky about what servers it will talk to, like "require". |
| 11:20:14 | dc_ | hrm.. |
| 11:20:15 | dc_ | brb |
| 11:20:35 | spung | mallum: why don't you use <chapter> tags? |
| 11:24:18 | pb_ | oh dear, looks like I have to go to Cherry Hinton. :-/ |
| 11:25:09 | mallum | spung: becuase its not a book |
| 11:25:59 | spung | right |
| 11:30:28 | spung | mallum: should i mention this an ipaq thing? |
| 11:30:41 | spung | familiar thing, really |
| 11:30:53 | spung | intimate doesn't need this i suppose |
| 11:31:17 | mallum | spung: I think its a tinyx thing |
| 11:36:18 | dc_ | ohhh yes :D |
| 11:38:26 | dc_ | yippie :D |
| 11:38:27 | dc_ | it works. |
| 11:39:57 | dc_ | does a very big apt-get upgrade |
| 11:41:33 | spung | mallum: ok, it's done.. |
| 11:44:12 | dc_ | yay. |
| 11:44:22 | dc_ | grabs all the gpe cvs code. |
| 11:45:33 | spung | mallum: check your e-mail |
| 11:52:28 | mallum | okey |
| 11:55:42 | dc_ | hey flypiper |
| 11:55:45 | spung | mallum: well, gotta go.. let me know as soon as you realize it sucks |
| 12:03:39 | dc_ | so. |
| 12:03:50 | dc_ | I'm gonna get some sleep while the iBook apt-get upgrades. |
| 12:03:59 | dc_ | then we can start some real gpe-media work :D |
| 12:04:07 | dc_ | see you all tomorrow. |
| 12:45:31 | mallum | pb_[away]: cworth got back to me |
| 13:04:38 | mallum | hmm, anybody know how I get diff to include 'new' files ? |
| 13:10:20 | mallum | prpplague: hi |
| 13:10:34 | prpplague | mallum: morning |
| 13:10:51 | mallum | prpplague: do you know how I get diff to include 'new' files ? |
| 13:10:57 | prpplague | mallum: hey, i'm having some problem with matchbox on arm |
| 13:11:06 | prpplague | mallum: let me check the flags |
| 13:11:14 | cmarqu | re |
| 13:11:41 | cmarqu | mallum: diff -urN |
| 13:11:48 | prpplague | cmarqu: has got it |
| 13:12:18 | prpplague | fun enough, the README for blob has some great instructions on creating quality patches |
| 13:12:32 | cmarqu | I just had an idea. |
| 13:12:46 | mallum | prpplague: hmm, Im running this from a cvs diff |
| 13:12:54 | mallum | prpplague: I have 2 files which arnt in cvs |
| 13:13:07 | mallum | prpplague: I want them in the diff too |
| 13:14:02 | prpplague | mallum: hmmm, not sure i understand what your asking |
| 13:14:35 | cmarqu | If sqlite really is that fast, and we maybe use it for word suggestions while typing, than the database can probably also hold pointers to translations of the words in the list. This way, we would save space compared to a wince installation with a dictionary app |
| 13:14:37 | mallum | prpplague: ok np ... Im sure pb knows cos he has sent me pacthes with exactly this |
| 13:14:48 | cmarqu | If a user doesn't want the translation, just leave out that part |
| 13:15:11 | prpplague | mallum: ok, sorry, but this week sometime i mught have some questions about matchbox on arm |
| 13:15:17 | cmarqu | mallum: Don't the diffs have the command they were created with? I'm sure I have seen this before |
| 13:15:33 | mallum | cmarqu: ah yes good point |
| 13:15:45 | mallum | prpplague: what sort of problems were you having ? |
| 13:17:40 | cmarqu | Argh. Bug! When I had xmonobut set to the 2nd mouse key and then resume, I get that mouse pointer in the screen locking window too. Luckily, I can still type with that. |
| 13:18:00 | cmarqu | s/resume/suspend and resume/ |
| 13:22:27 | mallum | hmmmm |
| 13:23:57 | cmarqu | Ah. Someone added something interesting to http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/CurrentThingsToDo (the gpe-media part). |
| 13:34:42 | Serp | cannot compile CommonC++ |
| 14:00:24 | prpplague | mallum: i'm getting some missing font warnings and an occasional segfault |
| 14:00:45 | mallum | prpplague: hmm, your running from CVS though ? |
| 14:01:56 | moray | gets back to Edinburgh and normality |
| 14:02:04 | prpplague | mallum: yes, as of wed. |
| 14:05:19 | mallum | prpplague: have you any idea what was causing the segfualts ? |
| 14:06:14 | Serp | is off to Scotland next week |
| 14:06:47 | prpplague | mallum: sorry, no i didn't have time yesterday to debug, i'm hopeing to have more time this evening |
| 14:08:06 | mallum | prpplague: cool, what currently in cvs hasn't been heavily tested - the only segfualt I know of ( which I have to catch ) is if you put broken xml through it ( via a theme ) |
| 14:08:18 | prpplague | mallum: the config command i'm using is - ./configure --enable-debug --enable-standalone --host=i386 --build=arm --x-libdir=/usr/X11R6/zaurus/lib |
| 14:08:45 | prpplague | mallum: ahh that might be the issue then |
| 14:09:04 | prpplague | mallum: seems like i say a message about parsing themes in the debug |
| 14:09:17 | prpplague | s/say/saw |
| 14:10:44 | mallum | prpplague: hmm standalone should be fine |
| 14:12:07 | prpplague | mallum: i tried about 10 different combinations last night, but it was late and i was tired |
| 14:12:26 | prpplague | mallum: i'll hammer it again tonight before i pester you |
| 14:15:25 | prpplague | mallum: mind if i write up some cross-compilation information to add to documentation? |
| 14:17:42 | moray | Serp: whereabouts are you going? |
| 14:19:29 | Serp | moray: Ullapool. A friend of mine is doing the practical side of her dissertation project there |
| 14:20:13 | Serp | moray: gonna do Nevis (weather permitting) when I go up too =o) |
| 14:21:41 | moray | Serp: sounds fun... |
| 14:22:03 | Serp | moray: it had best not rain up Nevis like the last time I tried to do it :/ |
| 14:22:44 | Serp | I'll just blam my friend if it does :) |
| 14:22:48 | Serp | blame |
| 14:55:27 | Serp | right, home - TTFN |
| 14:56:57 | mccarthy | hello all |
| 14:57:08 | cmarqu | Hi mccarthy! |
| 14:57:19 | mccarthy | what goes? |
| 14:57:31 | mccarthy | it looks like v0.6 is going to be pushing gpe?! |
| 14:57:41 | cmarqu | mccarthy: We are waiting for you to release a new ipaq-sleep :) |
| 14:57:58 | mccarthy | cmarqu: I saw that changes were made.... |
| 14:58:01 | cmarqu | mccarthy: Kind of, two weeks is expected. |
| 14:58:12 | mccarthy | cmarqu: why do *I* need to release it? |
| 14:58:35 | mccarthy | I relinquesh all control to the general gpe community :) |
| 14:58:40 | cmarqu | mccarthy: Well, pb didn't feel comfortable without asking you before |
| 14:58:42 | cmarqu | Ha! |
| 14:59:11 | cmarqu | mccarthy: Okay, then... we are waiting for you to release a new version of isgui, in C! :) |
| 14:59:25 | mccarthy | cmarqu: well, that I guess I would have to do... |
| 14:59:38 | cmarqu | I checked isgui into GPE CVS BTW |
| 14:59:58 | cmarqu | Not sure if it can build ipkgs yet. |
| 15:00:28 | cmarqu | mccarthy: Are you back home now? |
| 15:02:52 | cmarqu | morphin:/opt/applications/gpe_cvs_dev/gpe/base/isgui$ sudo make ipkg |
| 15:02:58 | cmarqu | Packaged contents of familiar/dist into ./isgui_0.2-1_arm.ipk |
| 15:03:00 | cmarqu | Ah. |
| 15:08:22 | mccarthy | cmarqu: Yes. I am back (for a few days anyhow...) |
| 15:10:22 | mccarthy | cmarqu: did pb adopt nils' touchscreen polling or is ipaq-sleep still about as ugly a hack as I originally made it? |
| 15:10:59 | cmarqu | mccarthy: Hmm, I think he only added the power monitoring option... Lemme look at the ChangeLog. |
| 15:13:07 | cmarqu | mccarthy: I see nothing like that. We've got a new makefile though. |
| 15:14:13 | mccarthy | cmarqu: so you guys are waiting for me to update my CVS and simply type "fakeroot make ipkg"? |
| 15:15:08 | cmarqu | Yeah, basically :) And please check the resulting ipk, especially the postinst (we mainly changed things there, not in the Makefile) |
| 15:15:39 | cmarqu | Oh, wait one sec. |
| 15:18:15 | cmarqu | mccarthy: Okay, cvs up now. We use a "include ../build/Makefile.dpkg_ipkg" to get the ipkg and dpkg targets now. |
| 15:18:27 | cmarqu | Just added that. |
| 15:20:00 | mccarthy | cmarqu: ? |
| 15:20:45 | cmarqu | Well, we have a Makefile snippet that makes ipks and debs. Just include it, and it's fine. |
| 15:42:16 | mccarthy | cmarqu: I do not know about the symlink.... |
| 15:42:24 | mccarthy | cmarqu: in the postinst... |
| 15:42:35 | mccarthy | will it get erased by ipkg if you remove the package? |
| 15:43:43 | cmarqu | Hmm. I don't know actually. Maybe it belongs in postrm? |
| 15:44:04 | mccarthy | cmarqu: I guess that might be a good way to do it.... |
| 15:44:12 | mccarthy | will fix before release.... |
| 15:44:41 | cmarqu | You know about http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/ImminentZeroPointSixRelease ? |
| 15:44:55 | mccarthy | cmarqu: nope |
| 15:45:03 | cmarqu | But now :) |
| 15:45:40 | mccarthy | I get a Zope error |
| 15:46:59 | mccarthy | what is the "immortal ipaq-sleep" problem? |
| 15:47:49 | cmarqu | I don't know... |
| 15:48:15 | mccarthy | pb_[away]: where are you?! |
| 16:08:12 | mccarthy | cmarqu: I am testing a new package in http://granular.che.pitt.edu/~mccarthy/feed/ |
| 16:08:51 | mccarthy | cmarqu: isgui is not all that useful.... cant it be folded into one of the other config thingies being built? |
| 16:08:59 | cmarqu | mccarthy: Will get it. Can you look after isgui too? I created a ChangeLog for it. |
| 16:09:06 | cmarqu | Ah. |
| 16:09:13 | cmarqu | Well... I guess so. |
| 16:09:36 | cmarqu | A future config thing should have a plugin structure anyway. |
| 16:09:42 | cmarqu | IMO, that is :) |
| 16:16:12 | mccarthy | cmarqu: I didnt know that Colin Marquardt was you... ;) |
| 16:16:32 | cmarqu | Ahahaha! :) |
| 16:16:57 | mccarthy | btw, dont import my old cruft and then yell at me about how it is written "DONT_WRITE_GPE_APPS_IN_PYTHON_PLEASE" ;) |
| 16:17:31 | cmarqu | I bet you always thought "what a jerk this Colin Marquardt is..." :) |
| 16:18:48 | cmarqu | mccarthy: Well, we were not sure if we wanted isgui at all, but then we thought that it's good for completeness. But then, in order not to encourage people to write python apps, I added this file. |
| 16:19:34 | mccarthy | cmarqu: it still sucks. (isgui, i mean). it is much easier (and more powerful) to simply do it at a commandline... |
| 16:20:36 | cmarqu | Hmm, maybe... |
| 16:20:42 | mccarthy | cmarqu: if I wasnt so concerned about getting gpe-calendar a little farther along (and actually doing *real* work now and then) I could probably hammer out a c version quickly enough, but I wouldn't actually want to *use* it |
| 16:21:12 | cmarqu | Let's wait for a config app then, and add it there. |
| 16:21:25 | mccarthy | who is working on one? |
| 16:21:49 | mccarthy | nils doesn't ever hang out here, does he? |
| 16:21:57 | cmarqu | Hmm, don't know... |
| 16:22:04 | | nils was last seen on #handhelds.org 201 days, 19 hours, 32 minutes and 39 seconds ago, saying: Anyone know how to save a new partition table? [Tue Jan 8 20:49:25 2002] |
| 16:22:04 | mccarthy | ibot seen nils? |
| 16:22:07 | cmarqu | No, nils is never here... |
| 16:22:19 | cmarqu | Almost :) |
| 16:22:43 | cmarqu | I asked hiom to come and talk about GPE using the GNU name or not etc. |
| 16:22:58 | cmarqu | That was yesterday, maybe he shows up. |
| 16:23:13 | mccarthy | ahhh, who cares about *that*, I want to talk with him about his rtcd and gpe-alarm |
| 16:23:23 | cmarqu | :) |
| 16:23:39 | cmarqu | I also asked him about the status of gpe-alarm, yes. |
| 16:23:53 | cmarqu | Would be nice if we had it for 0.6 |
| 16:24:14 | mccarthy | cmarqu: it works nicely except for minor issues with timezone and the fact that you need to leaving it running (in the foreground) forever.... |
| 16:24:57 | cmarqu | In the foreground? Ugh. |
| 16:25:18 | mccarthy | I want to teach rtcd to exec commands rather than search for the PID of the guy who started it... |
| 16:25:39 | mccarthy | if we use the same "single-instance" type code that we have in other apps, this should not be a problem... |
| 16:25:50 | cmarqu | Yeah, like uschedule did? |
| 16:26:40 | cmarqu | mccarthy: BTW, how do you build your packages? Do you have an ARM machine, or go you use the skiffs? |
| 16:27:00 | mccarthy | I build on pb's machine lately |
| 16:27:19 | mccarthy | hey... does the makefile in ipaq-sleep strip it? |
| 16:27:22 | mccarthy | lemme check |
| 16:27:39 | mccarthy | nope |
| 16:27:54 | cmarqu | Do you have a script to do the build or do you login manually etc.? |
| 16:27:57 | cmarqu | Ouch. |
| 16:28:46 | cmarqu | strip $(DESTDIR)$(PREFIX)/bin/$(PACKAGE) |
| 16:28:50 | cmarqu | It does strip. |
| 16:29:13 | mccarthy | cmarqu: but strip -s ipaq-sleep made it smaller? |
| 16:29:20 | mccarthy | maybe doesn';t use the -s string? |
| 16:29:36 | cmarqu | No, it doesn't. Should it? |
| 16:29:50 | mccarthy | I dont know. I always have... |
| 16:30:01 | cmarqu | I copied it from pbs other apps I think. I might have forgotten the -s though. |
| 16:30:08 | mccarthy | -s |
| 16:30:08 | mccarthy | --strip-all |
| 16:30:08 | mccarthy | Remove all symbols. |
| 16:30:35 | cmarqu | gpe-calendar doesn't strip with -s. |
| 16:30:43 | cmarqu | Let's ask pb |
| 16:31:41 | mccarthy | cmarqu: I guess I see the "immortal" ipaq-sleep ;) |
| 16:31:46 | mccarthy | I have two running.... |
| 16:32:12 | cmarqu | Ah. One is spawned by gpe-login, supposed to be killed. SO it lives. |
| 16:32:53 | mccarthy | how ugly is it to have the ipaq-sleep init script kill any existing ones? |
| 16:33:10 | cmarqu | gpe-login wants to sleep qicker than normal. |
| 16:33:25 | mccarthy | but then maybe gpe-login won't re-spawn another when you logout.... |
| 16:33:29 | mccarthy | lemme check |
| 16:33:32 | cmarqu | Dunno. I guess it might be a general problem in gpe-login? |
| 16:35:46 | cmarqu | Ha. Funny isguy suffers from the same problem as cogg: the slider values increase downward |
| 16:52:55 | mccarthy | cmarqu: does your ipaq-sleep Xsession-gpe.d script get run on login? (mine doesn't) |
| 16:54:56 | mccarthy | cmarqu: AHHH. ipaq-sleep.log is owned by root and the user's ipaq-sleep will *not* write over it... |
| 16:55:53 | cmarqu | mccarthy: Ah. Well, yeah, it doesn't seem to run for me either |
| 16:56:12 | cmarqu | But... I'm logged in as root. |
| 16:56:29 | mccarthy | camrqu: plus the user wont be able to kill the root-owned ipaq-sleep.... |
| 16:56:54 | cmarqu | Isn't it supposed to be killed by gpe-login itself? |
| 16:57:16 | mccarthy | cmarqu: yes, but it isn't |
| 16:57:26 | mccarthy | I was trying a stupid work-around |
| 16:57:29 | cmarqu | mccarthy: Well, that is the bug. |
| 16:57:34 | cmarqu | Ah. |
| 16:59:18 | cmarqu | mccarthy: http://gpe.handhelds.org/projects/GPE-login.shtml explains how it is meant to be |
| 16:59:30 | mallum | hey |
| 16:59:53 | mccarthy | hi mallum |
| 17:00:42 | mallum | hey mccarthy |
| 17:02:59 | cmarqu | mallum: All GPE apps are using full paths for the icons now |
| 17:04:37 | mallum | cmarqu: cool :) |
| 17:06:18 | cmarqu | Let's hope all still works :) |
| 17:06:34 | cmarqu | Maybe mmenu could use -icon by default then... |
| 17:06:51 | mallum | cmarqu: yep thats donw |
| 17:06:55 | mallum | cmarqu: done |
| 17:07:04 | cmarqu | Ah, nice. |
| 17:07:33 | mallum | cmarqu: Im just trying to get my arm machine to stop mounting the filesystem as ext3 then I will build a 0.8 ipkg |
| 17:08:34 | cmarqu | Cool. |
| 17:09:20 | cmarqu | mccarthy: (repost) Do you have a script to do the build or do you login manually etc.? |
| 17:09:32 | mallum | cmarqu: problem is I can seem to get rid of the damn thing :( |
| 17:10:11 | cmarqu | changing in /etc/fstab doesn't help? |
| 17:10:31 | mallum | cmarqu: no its still mounting it as ext3 |
| 17:10:49 | cmarqu | Hmm/ |
| 17:11:21 | mallum | I need to umount the rootfilesystem to I can change the journal_flag |
| 17:11:36 | mallum | or mount it readonly |
| 17:24:47 | cmarqu | Gotta go, BBL |
| 17:47:25 | mallum | hmm, is there a libpng package ? |
| 17:53:55 | ade | lo folks |
| 17:54:45 | ade | just a quicky ... what is gpe like compared with opie ? |
| 17:55:05 | ade | and is it smaller |
| 17:56:42 | mallum | cmarqu: check scap - 3rd shot down |
| 17:58:51 | pb_ | hey |
| 17:58:52 | mallum | pb_:hey |
| 18:00:21 | pb_ | mallum: have you seen bug #43 in gpe bugzilla? |
| 18:00:47 | mallum | pb_: no ? |
| 18:01:35 | pb_ | mallum: Colin is complaining of some kind of monobut problem. I think the answer is probably that there is nothing we can do about it, but perhaps you could take a look. |
| 18:02:39 | mallum | pb_: oh is this the sleep thing ? |
| 18:03:05 | pb_ | yeah. |
| 18:03:26 | ade | just looked at the wiki page about bugs to iron out before 0.6 ... xcalibrate not letting you out due to no buttons .. is that fixed yet ? |
| 18:03:33 | pb_ | from what I gather, he permutes the buttons with xmonobut, then sleeps, and is unable to unlock the screen on resume because the buttons are still rotated. |
| 18:03:38 | pb_ | ade: no |
| 18:04:15 | ade | could it be done by just timeout set to original config ? |
| 18:04:51 | mallum | pb_: ok, I'll take a peak at it after I've got stuff fixed up for 0.6 |
| 18:05:00 | pb_ | ade: hmm, dunno. I suppose so, but you would have to make the timeout quite long. |
| 18:05:03 | pb_ | mallum: cool, thanks. |
| 18:05:18 | mallum | pb_: does this look ok to you: [ -n "$(pidof mbdock)" ] && kill -HUP `pidof mbdock` |
| 18:05:33 | ade | how slowly do people take to hit the cross ? |
| 18:06:32 | pb_ | mallum: yep, looks good. |
| 18:06:58 | mallum | pb_: cool |
| 18:07:12 | pb_ | ade: I don't know, but it's best to err on the side of caution. |
| 18:07:31 | pb_ | ade: it would be better to find a way for the user to positively quit xcalibrate, rather than relying on a timeout. |
| 18:07:54 | mallum | pb_: did you see cworths post on the fam list ? |
| 18:10:25 | pb_ | mallum: yeah, just read it this minute. |
| 18:10:57 | mallum | pb_: so thats one problem solved |
| 18:12:22 | pb_ | yup :-) |
| 18:23:16 | ade|2lines_not_e | 2 lines to the house and both in use by the women .. typical |
| 18:26:29 | mallum | new mmenu in unstable - pls all test |
| 18:26:35 | pb_ | wahey |
| 18:26:56 | pb_ | what are the highlights in this version? |
| 18:28:11 | mallum | pb_: lots of new stuff |
| 18:28:19 | mallum | pb_: run with a -h to see |
| 18:28:28 | mallum | pb_: pngs are now supported |
| 18:28:35 | pb_ | oh cool. |
| 18:28:37 | mallum | pb_: transparency is a hack BTW ! |
| 18:28:45 | mallum | pb_: see 3rd shot on scap |
| 18:28:55 | mallum | brb |
| 18:50:57 | cmarqu | pb_: About bug 43: I can still log in, but it's kinda annoying. That's all, and therefore only a minor bug. |
| 18:51:33 | cmarqu | mallum: Cool. I think it's a *wee* bit too transparent though. |
| 18:51:43 | pb_ | cmarqu: okay. |
| 18:52:20 | pb_ | cmarqu: good to see Nils is happy with changing the "official" expansion of GPE. |
| 18:52:30 | mccarthy | pb_: hello? whats up with the "immortal" ipaq-sleep? |
| 18:52:35 | mccarthy | or is that immoral? |
| 18:52:42 | pb_ | mccarthy! |
| 18:52:50 | pb_ | mccarthy: back from your trip down under? |
| 18:52:57 | mccarthy | yes sir |
| 18:53:14 | mccarthy | starting a *new* trip (actual VACATION this time) next week ;) |
| 18:53:17 | cmarqu | pb_: Oh, and more important, I forgot... rotate the screen to landscape, suspend/resume, and gpe-login doesn't cover the whole screen. |
| 18:53:24 | pb_ | mccarthy: cool! |
| 18:54:01 | cmarqu | Serial line is looped back. |
| 18:54:01 | cmarqu | Connection terminated. |
| 18:54:08 | cmarqu | Argh. What does it have now? |
| 18:54:33 | pb_ | mccarthy: gpe-login starts up an ipaq-sleep in its .setup file, so that the machine will suspend if you leave it sitting at the login screen. The idea is that it should get killed off when you log in, so that the user can use his own preferences. Unfortunately, the current gpe-login doesn't use the -n switch to ipaq-sleep, which means it daemonizes and can't be killed. |
| 18:55:39 | mccarthy | pb_: oh, so it is a simple fix then? |
| 18:55:45 | pb_ | cmarqu: ah, that's a nasty one. |
| 18:56:08 | pb_ | mccarthy: yes, just replace "ipaq-sleep" with "ipaq-sleep -n &". I think it's already fixed in cvs, I literally just need to build and upload a new package. |
| 18:56:10 | cmarqu | It's rotated too, do you see it also? |
| 18:56:39 | pb_ | cmarqu: I can't try it right now, don't have my ipaq with me. |
| 19:00:16 | mallum | cmarqu: its only 50% transparent seems fine to me |
| 19:00:27 | pb_ | mccarthy: I made some changes to ipaq-sleep in CVS while you were away, you might want to look them over and maybe make a new package. |
| 19:01:18 | mccarthy | pb_: been playing with packaging it since lunch |
| 19:01:20 | mccarthy | :) |
| 19:01:26 | pb_ | mccarthy: ah, cool! |
| 19:01:33 | mccarthy | pb_: will upload in a bit |
| 19:01:42 | pb_ | thanks. |
| 19:01:57 | cmarqu | mallum: Well, let me see how it looks on the ipaq. From the screenshot, I'd say the background distracts a bit too much. |
| 19:02:02 | mccarthy | pb_: If I am away just package yourself next time (I trust you) |
| 19:02:09 | pb_ | ok :-) |
| 19:02:24 | mccarthy | pb_: If you do anything *really* drastic, change the maintainer name ;) |
| 19:03:03 | cmarqu | pb_: Is there a reason why you don't use the -s option to strip? |
| 19:03:16 | pb_ | cmarqu: no |
| 19:03:43 | mallum | cmarqu: it seems less transparent on my ipaq |
| 19:03:44 | pb_ | cmarqu: well, I think -s may be harmful on shared libraries, not sure. |
| 19:04:02 | mallum | cmarqu: transparent stuff doesn't make anything clearer though ! |
| 19:04:27 | cmarqu | Right. But it looks cool :) |
| 19:04:32 | mallum | exactly |
| 19:05:24 | cmarqu | pb_: Ah. mccarthy was just asking... |
| 19:06:10 | pb_ | cmarqu: well, if either you or he confirm that it's OK, we can certainly use it. |
| 19:06:46 | mccarthy | pb_: its certainly OK with executables.... havent tried with shared libs |
| 19:07:04 | pb_ | right. |
| 19:08:30 | cmarqu | pb_: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.9015.png |
| 19:08:55 | pb_ | ugh! |
| 19:09:14 | pb_ | what on earth has happened to your "OK" button? |
| 19:09:21 | mccarthy | pb_: small problem with /tmp/ipaq-sleep.log.... |
| 19:09:55 | cmarqu | Don't know either. Looks like that all the time I think. |
| 19:10:05 | mccarthy | pb_: it doesn't get erased and then a user isn't allowed to over-write it... |
| 19:10:07 | pb_ | cmarqu: looks like gpe-login ought to set its window size whenever it maps itself, rather than just the once. |
| 19:10:19 | pb_ | mccarthy: hmm, right. |
| 19:10:29 | mccarthy | pb_: how does one fix that with the fopen command? |
| 19:10:34 | pb_ | mccarthy: guess it should probably log to syslog insted. |
| 19:10:41 | mccarthy | cant I set permissions then? |
| 19:10:50 | pb_ | mccarthy: don't think there is anything you can do with fopen. |
| 19:10:57 | mccarthy | pb_: no idea how to log to syslog. plus it would log too much, i think |
| 19:11:15 | cmarqu | pb_: Let me put it in bugzilla, yes? |
| 19:11:33 | pb_ | mccarthy: Logging is pretty easy, see man syslog. You might be right about too much though. |
| 19:11:36 | pb_ | cmarqu: please do. |
| 19:12:10 | cmarqu | pb_: BTW, how do I update the html pages again? |
| 19:12:25 | pb_ | cmarqu: run /home/familiar/website-update.sh |
| 19:12:51 | cmarqu | Ah. Thx |
| 19:19:23 | pb_ | cmarqu: I checked in some changes to gpe-login, you might want to try them out if you are feeling brave. |
| 19:20:36 | mccarthy | pb_: its a dumb hack, but it seemed easier to run a system-command "chmod" when opening ipaq-sleep.log ;) |
| 19:20:43 | mccarthy | new package being uploaded.... |
| 19:20:52 | cmarqu | pb_: I'll try with Xnest |
| 19:20:53 | mccarthy | (its works, btw!) |
| 19:21:14 | pb_ | mccarthy: :-) |
| 19:24:07 | mccarthy | pb cmarqu: strip -s didn't hurt my desktop version of libgpewidget |
| 19:24:39 | mccarthy | pb cmarqu: and a new ipaq-sleep should appear in the unstable feed now |
| 19:25:56 | cmarqu | pb_: What do you say about Nils' GPE feed suggestion? |
| 19:26:38 | alvise | hi |
| 19:26:55 | alvise | i want to install Gpe , but there ins't a Packages file ? |
| 19:27:32 | pb_ | cmarqu: well, I don't have a problem with it: there is already a projects/gpe directory on ftp.handhelds.org, and people can certainly put their packages in it. |
| 19:28:02 | cmarqu | Okay. |
| 19:28:10 | pb_ | cmarqu: I don't really agree that familiar unstable is "too messy", but it certainly won't hurt to have a specific gpe repository. |
| 19:28:56 | pb_ | alvise: use Familiar unstable, "ipkg install gpe" |
| 19:28:58 | cmarqu | Yeah, it's not messy. Just some packages that we think are really flaky should go there. |
| 19:29:35 | pb_ | umm? |
| 19:30:04 | cmarqu | Just temporary, like ipaq-sleep could have gone there. |
| 19:30:07 | alvise | pb_ thx ! |
| 19:30:11 | cmarqu | Upgrading mmenu from 0.7pre1 to 0.8 |
| 19:30:12 | cmarqu | ERROR: Package mmenu wants to install file /usr/share/matchbox/mbdock/mmenu |
| 19:30:12 | cmarqu | Please move this file out of the way and try again. |
| 19:30:34 | cmarqu | mallum: Is that a config file actually? Maybe it's not listed in conffiles? |
| 19:31:29 | mallum | cmarqu: no, it remanence of the findalldockapps.sh script, which I fazing out |
| 19:31:33 | mallum | cmarqu: just delete it |
| 19:31:38 | cmarqu | Okay. |
| 19:33:01 | mccarthy | pb_: did you see my email to nils? |
| 19:33:15 | pb_ | mccarthy: about the rtcd? |
| 19:33:19 | mccarthy | yep |
| 19:34:13 | pb_ | mccarthy: yeah, I saw it, sounds pretty reasonable. It's certainly not desirable to have to keep a process around in order to receive alarms. |
| 19:34:45 | mccarthy | pb_: also, I am not sure what we would actually want gpe-calendar to *do* when an alarm happens? |
| 19:34:57 | cmarqu | mallum: sh-2.03# mmenu |
| 19:35:00 | cmarqu | failed to open /root/.menu |
| 19:35:01 | pb_ | mccarthy: well, it should be configurable when you set the alarm. |
| 19:35:11 | mccarthy | pb_: previously I just had an external program yell at you |
| 19:35:28 | pb_ | mccarthy: in most cases, I'd expect it to play some intrusive sound, and pop up a window explaining which meeting you were late for. |
| 19:35:30 | mccarthy | pb_: that would be easy and would satisy 90% of folks, I gather |
| 19:35:38 | pb_ | yeah. |
| 19:35:51 | mccarthy | pb_: have you played with nils gpe-alarm? |
| 19:35:57 | pb_ | no, not yet. |
| 19:36:06 | cmarqu | wiki:AlarmFramework is pretty sophisticated :) |
| 19:36:13 | pb_ | yeah. |
| 19:36:15 | mccarthy | pb_: it does exactly that with nice noises |
| 19:36:28 | pb_ | cool! |
| 19:36:48 | mccarthy | pb_: but he left it as a portion of an app.... |
| 19:37:01 | mccarthy | in other words, you can *set* an alarm with gpe-alarm and then get the cool warning |
| 19:37:17 | mccarthy | but you cannot have *another* app use gpe-alarms cool warning (as far as I can tell) |
| 19:37:22 | cmarqu | pb_: I cannot really test your fixes with Xnest, and I need to go to bed soon... |
| 19:38:51 | pb_ | cmarqu: okay, no problem, I'll test them myself tomorrow. |
| 19:44:04 | mallum | cmarqu: again nothing to worry about - its always done that |
| 19:44:18 | mallum | cmarqu: you can have a local ~/menu dir if you want |
| 19:44:58 | cmarqu | mallum: Ah, okay. I thought that maybe it should create it itself... |
| 19:47:02 | mallum | cmarqu: why ? |
| 19:48:21 | cmarqu | mallum: Well, it seemed to not start up at all, I thought that was an error message (maybe it should sound less frightening :). I guess mmenu was just hidden at the extreme right. |
| 19:48:37 | cmarqu | scap with mmenu -trans and icons. Whee! |
| 19:49:31 | cmarqu | Oh, nice scap: "Send off cheque to mallum" :) |
| 19:49:46 | pb_ | Ha! |
| 19:50:51 | cmarqu | Nice idea. Make shots saying: if I get app foo 'til next week, I'll pay bar a beer |
| 19:51:30 | pb_ | cmarqu: I think "utilities" would be my choice for gpe-edit's section. |
| 19:52:17 | mallum | cmarqu: what is that grey rectangle in the corner of your dock ? |
| 19:52:35 | pb_ | cmarqu: or, leave it under "PIM" and implement that section-name-translating feature we talked about for appmgr. |
| 19:52:42 | cmarqu | Okay, I'll take that. Hmm. I now see I have "Editors" with "vim" inside. Menu police!!!1! Come here at once! |
| 19:53:14 | cmarqu | mallum: gpe-appmgr's "Recent Apps" thing. mibus wants to take it out again for now though. |
| 19:53:55 | pb_ | We ought to fix up the "recent apps" window so that it has a transparent background. |
| 19:54:29 | cmarqu | pb_: Let's tal about GPE Edit tomorrow. |
| 19:54:38 | pb_ | cmarqu: sure. |
| 19:55:00 | moray | ha: I just lost getty again, but though I hadn't expected it, it turns out my pcmcia networking was already working so I could just ssh into the ipaq to fix it ;) |
| 19:55:09 | pb_ | moray: :-) |
| 20:02:42 | cmarqu | Okay, I'm off. Bye all. |
| 20:02:50 | pb_ | Bye. |
| 20:05:02 | alvise | is there a documentation how to use and install gpe ? |
| 20:05:13 | pb_ | alvise: not really, what problems are you having? |
| 20:05:38 | alvise | pb_ : i installed the packages . But now i don't know how to do |
| 20:06:26 | alvise | pb_ : i want to start matchbox but .. X-error: root window unavailible (maybe another wm is running?) |
| 20:06:45 | pb_ | alvise: reboot, you should get the GPE login screen. |
| 20:07:05 | pb_ | alvise: matchbox will start automatically when you log in. |
| 20:08:31 | alvise | pb_: i installed package by package not with familiar-unstable . Because when i have tried to do install gpe xserver was not found . |
| 20:09:29 | pb_ | alvise: you mean ipkg gave an error? Can you show us the exact text? |
| 20:09:41 | alvise | pb_ : sure .. |
| 20:10:23 | alvise | 1 moment pls .. |
| 20:12:49 | alvise | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for gpe: |
| 20:12:49 | alvise | xserver |
| 20:12:56 | pb_ | hmm |
| 20:13:01 | pb_ | let me look into that. |
| 20:13:54 | moray | alvise: what version of ipkg are you using? |
| 20:14:51 | alvise | ipkg version 0.99.9-1 |
| 20:15:15 | pb_ | alvise: that would be the problem, upgrade to the latest from unstable and try again. |
| 20:15:38 | pb_ | alvise: 0.99.9-* almost certainly doesn't do Provides. |
| 20:15:54 | alvise | pb_ thx ! |
| 20:22:15 | mallum | *sigh* the second monitor with my new radeon is all blurred with both windoze and linux :( |
| 20:23:36 | pb_ | mallum: gutted. |
| 20:24:29 | mallum | pb_: it has one of them wierd crt connectors with an adaptor - I think its that causing problems |
| 20:26:23 | pb_ | mallum: oh, what kind of connector is that? |
| 20:26:36 | alvise | pb_ : i installed gpe .. but .. when i reboot the ipaq x-window-manager start |
| 20:26:50 | mallum | pb_: one of them wierd square shaped ones |
| 20:27:01 | alvise | pb_ : plus a "menu" button |
| 20:28:23 | pb_ | alvise: you may need to remove /etc/rc2.d/S99x. |
| 20:28:33 | alvise | ok thx |
| 20:29:02 | moray | pb_: I think on clean installs just now people are getting nullxdm from the dependencies somehow, even if it's not there beforehand |
| 20:29:52 | pb_ | moray: yeah, could be. |
| 20:30:04 | pb_ | moray: clearly gpe-dm needs to be more aggressive about conflicting with nullxdm. |
| 20:30:26 | mallum | pb_: http://www.ati.com/support/products/pc/radeon7500/radeon7500cables.html |
| 20:30:26 | alvise | pb_ : now no X interface starts |
| 20:30:49 | pb_ | alvise: do you have the whole of gpe installed now? In particular, you need gpe-dm, gpe-login and gpe-session-scripts. |
| 20:30:53 | moray | alvise: if you installed things with the old ipkg you probably don't have all the packages you need |
| 20:31:32 | pb_ | mallum: wow, looks pretty wacky, I've never seen one of those before. |
| 20:31:49 | alvise | moray: i installed the new ipkg :) |
| 20:31:56 | alvise | moray: i did an upgrade |
| 20:32:42 | moray | alvise: but I don't think that forces ipkg to check the dependencies |
| 20:33:43 | alvise | moray: true ! gpe-dm, was not installed ... |
| 20:46:08 | alvise | pb_ : now i have to reinstall all , to many operation on my familiar ! Did you upload familiar with minicom ? |
| 20:46:48 | pb_ | Just the bootstrap image. |
| 20:47:19 | pb_ | Might be worth trying the latest 0.6-pre1 images if you are going to reflash. Check with the folks in #handhelds.org to see if they are usable at the moment. |
| 20:47:46 | alvise | pb_ : yea .. because i have problems uploading the image with minicom |
| 20:49:10 | moray | alvise: what sort of problems? |
| 20:50:18 | alvise | moray: seams to upload .. but after some mins there is an error "Downloading error " or something else . |
| 20:51:21 | alvise | i retry to upload the image now .. |
| 20:51:26 | spung | mallum: so, does it suck or what? |
| 20:52:43 | Veggen | alvise: 115200,N,8,1, and NO flow control.. |
| 20:54:36 | flypiper | wonders if he should reflash and reinstall gpe to check for problems??? |
| 20:56:07 | alvise | Veggen: yea .. done . but .. mm |
| 20:56:26 | alvise | Veggen: 115200 8N1 ? |
| 20:56:35 | Veggen | yes. |
| 20:57:21 | alvise | Sending task-bootserial.jffs2, 40960 blocks: Give your local |
| 20:57:26 | alvise | XMODEM receive command now. |
| 20:57:30 | alvise | and is blocked |
| 20:57:59 | Veggen | alvise: have you typed the load command in the window, first? |
| 20:58:21 | alvise | Veggen: sure : load root , isn't it ? |
| 20:58:26 | Veggen | yes. |
| 20:58:28 | alvise | Xmodem sectors/kbytes sent: 0/ 0kRetry 0: Got 1b for secto |
| 20:59:12 | alvise | ok ... is working |
| 20:59:20 | Veggen | alvise: you'll need to be fairly quick selecting the local file to send. |
| 20:59:29 | alvise | i did the same command .. but today works ! |
| 21:00:44 | alvise | Veggen: i have looked that |
| 21:01:02 | alvise | and i have looked that my english is not so good :) |
| 21:01:12 | moray | alvise: I've found that it doesn't always work, no; I think it's just to do with the timing though, since it will work if you try again... |
| 21:01:39 | mallum | spung: I havn't had a chance to check yet .. |
| 21:03:11 | Veggen | alvise: well, it's not so bad compared to many italians. |
| 21:03:12 | alvise | moray: you are speaking about gpe or minicom ? |
| 21:03:25 | alvise | Veggen: ;) |
| 21:03:36 | spung | mallum: it's a little text |
| 21:03:40 | spung | anyway |
| 21:04:12 | alvise | Veggen: here in the schools , english language is teached very bad |
| 21:05:33 | mallum | spung: looks fine to me :) |
| 21:05:53 | spung | alvise: or learned very bad ;) |
| 21:05:54 | Veggen | alvise: I know. Here in Norway, generally english education is quite good. And besides, norwegian TV and movies are never dubbet, always subtitled. That's also good practise. |
| 21:06:11 | spung | subtitles rock |
| 21:07:01 | alvise | Veggen: yes , i know ! |
| 21:07:02 | mallum | spung: thanks very much |
| 21:07:34 | spung | mallum: well, let me know when you're not so busy |
| 21:09:30 | moray | alvise: I was talking about doing file transfers to the bootloader in minicom |
| 21:09:48 | alvise | moray: it's working :) thx |
| 21:26:54 | pattieja | prpplague: hello |
| 21:36:23 | alvise | chrashed |
| 21:36:26 | alvise | crashed |
| 21:36:28 | alvise | :`( |
| 21:37:05 | moray | alvise: what crashed? |
| 21:37:19 | alvise | moray: my linux desk |
| 21:37:33 | alvise | moray: when i was reinstalling gpe . |
| 21:38:02 | moray | oh. |
| 21:38:12 | moray | what were you doing? just using the serial link? |
| 21:42:08 | prpplague | pattieja: howdy |
| 21:43:17 | pattieja | what're you running GPE on? |
| 21:43:35 | alvise | moray: serial + usbnet |
| 21:43:35 | pattieja | I'm just about to try to test it out myself |
| 21:44:09 | alvise | moray: well , know i'm in gpe and i have to insert username and pwd .. but there ins't the keyboard :`( |
| 21:44:44 | moray | alvise: ah, lots of people have problems with usbnet (though fewer people get crashes from it) |
| 21:45:07 | moray | alvise: do you have libxft installed? (and an up-to-date xkbd) |
| 21:45:24 | alvise | moray: check |
| 21:46:17 | alvise | moray: yes |
| 21:46:21 | alvise | moray: there is |
| 21:48:41 | alvise | moray: if i do a "gpe-kbd" .. nothing happened , same thing for "xkbd" |
| 21:49:35 | moray | alvise: ah, have you installed 'familiar-postinst' and then run /root/postinst ? |
| 21:50:15 | alvise | yes |
| 21:50:39 | moray | hm |
| 21:56:49 | alvise | moray: what can i do ? Do you know the New user window ? |
| 21:57:05 | alvise | moray: well , there i haven't a keyb |
| 21:57:26 | flypiper | alvise: install xfonts-ttf...then reboot |
| 21:57:46 | flypiper | should give you a keyboard |
| 21:58:27 | alvise | flypiper: thx |
| 21:59:51 | alvise | flypiper: thx |
| 22:00:01 | flypiper | alvise: np |
| 22:08:14 | alvise | ERROR: The following packages conflict with busybox: |
| 22:08:14 | alvise | ash debianutils fileutils grep gzip hostname login modutils mount |
| 22:08:17 | alvise | what's that ? |
| 22:08:21 | alvise | :( |
| 22:10:33 | flypiper | alvise: have you ipkg update and upgrade? there was a new busybox.ipkg today?? |
| 22:11:01 | flypiper | but I didn't get any errors from it:) |
| 22:12:00 | alvise | yes upgraded |
| 22:26:53 | flypiper | alvise: working? |
| 22:50:48 | alvise | flypiper: hi :) I'm watching a film and "smandruppiando" with ipaq + familiar |
| 22:51:08 | alvise | flypiper: and .. YES :) Works :)) |
| 22:53:06 | moray | alvise: that's good :) |
| 22:53:43 | alvise | moray: ;) |
| 22:54:40 | moray | alvise: I got my new PCMCIA sleeve and stowaway keyboard working today - I guess I should write something to toggle the keyboard on and off in GPE... |
| 22:55:32 | alvise | and know have to activate the bluethoot |
| 23:22:29 | alvise | i'm enjoining with cross compiling :) |
| 23:41:41 | alvise | moray: i cross compiled a Secure file transfer developed by me :) |
| 23:50:15 | PaxAnima | anyone here who has a vCard file from a palm? |
| 23:57:26 | alvise | grrr .. i don't know why the function push my program in a seg fault |
