| 03:38:29 | cmarqu | is back (gone 13:16:33) |
| 08:22:52 | colin_ | Morning pb_ |
| 08:23:07 | colin_ | What's up with dc? Gone to Japan I hear? |
| 08:30:35 | spung[gone] | cmarqu: japan? |
| 08:30:43 | spung[gone] | cmarqu: i thought it was australia? |
| 08:31:05 | pb_ | cmarqu: yes, he's gone back to Australia for the summer with his family |
| 08:31:26 | cmarqu | Australia, okay :) |
| 08:31:28 | spung | cmarqu: you know, his wife, and kids ;) |
| 08:31:40 | cmarqu | spung: Ah, yeah, of course :) |
| 08:32:08 | pb_ | cmarqu: I think he was stopping off in Tokyo en route, that's probably where the "Japan" thing came from. |
| 08:32:12 | spung | wow... yesterday i gave my best paid concert so far... free dinner and 40 Euros |
| 08:32:17 | spung | each |
| 08:32:57 | cmarqu | Cool. The 40 EUR were righteously spent for beer I guess? |
| 08:34:33 | spung | cmarqu: heh... nah... anyway, i usually get free drinks instead of free dinner |
| 08:36:55 | cmarqu | Gotta quit for a sec, BBL. |
| 09:23:08 | spung | does anyone here know how to solve this? |
| 09:23:14 | spung | boot> upload root |
| 09:23:14 | spung | About to xmodem send root |
| 09:23:14 | spung | flashword=50000000 |
| 09:23:14 | spung | base=00040000 |
| 09:23:14 | spung | nbytes=01FC0000 |
| 09:23:15 | spung | totalPackets=0003F800 |
| 09:23:17 | spung | Transfer timed out |
| 09:23:19 | spung | download error. |
| 09:47:11 | zmallum | hey |
| 09:52:48 | pb_ | hey zmallum |
| 09:57:05 | zmallum | hi pb |
| 09:57:10 | zmallum | on emacs zenirc |
| 09:57:17 | zmallum | as at work now :(( |
| 09:57:23 | pb_ | heh |
| 10:00:45 | spung | zmallum: work? so.. you're not unemployed anymore? |
| 10:07:57 | zmallum | well I got some contract work |
| 10:13:09 | spung | zmallum: better than nothing right? ;) |
| 10:13:14 | zmallum | indeed |
| 10:13:18 | zmallum | low payed |
| 10:13:21 | zmallum | but money |
| 10:13:23 | zmallum | and sanity |
| 10:13:30 | zmallum | from not being stuck indoors all day |
| 10:13:41 | spung | zmallum: yeah, what are you doing? |
| 10:43:52 | zmallum | php :(( |
| 10:44:17 | zmallum | apparently matchbox compiles clean on freebsd :)) |
| 10:44:31 | zmallum | some of the mini* stuff dont work though |
| 10:46:59 | pb_ | cool :-) |
| 10:48:40 | pb_ | hey, my wireless lan is kind-of working now |
| 10:48:53 | pb_ | only problem remaining is that I get a lot of these on file transfers: |
| 10:49:24 | pb_ | skb_p80211_to_ether: DIXII frame too large (1492) 1512 |
| 10:49:24 | pb_ | :-| |
| 13:46:12 | spung | pb_: i saw somewhere that libgpewidget now hides the cursor? is that so? |
| 13:48:15 | pb_ | yes |
| 13:48:33 | pb_ | in "stylus mode" it turns the cursor off and disables tooltips |
| 13:49:34 | spung | hmm.. |
| 13:50:58 | spung | pb_: but.. does it disable it just for that app? |
| 13:51:14 | pb_ | yes |
| 15:23:43 | mccarthy | pb_: have you tried nils' new alarm stuff? |
| 15:28:59 | pb_ | mccarthy: not yet, I was just looking at the code in fact |
| 15:29:30 | mccarthy | pb_: oh. I tried it briefly last week and it didn't seem to work :( |
| 15:29:37 | pb_ | ah :-( |
| 15:29:52 | mccarthy | pb_: I am interested in updating the stale uschedule-stuff in gpe-calendar... |
| 15:30:05 | pb_ | cool |
| 15:30:09 | mccarthy | pb_: and maybe, someday, actually including recurring events ;) |
| 15:30:32 | pb_ | yay |
| 15:30:59 | pb_ | I've been giving some thought to recurring events on and off for the past few weeks. Still haven't really come up with a coherent scheme though. |
| 15:31:01 | mccarthy | pb_: let me know if you get the rtc thing working... |
| 15:31:06 | pb_ | will do |
| 15:31:47 | mccarthy | pb_: when I finally have big chunks of time to (waste) use on coding, I will sit down and discuss recurring things with you... |
| 15:32:26 | mccarthy | pb_: my motivation will grow as we approach the fall semester because I will want to put my classes in (and they recur on mon, wed, fri) |
| 15:32:39 | spung | mccarthy: heh |
| 15:33:06 | spung | indeed, i want to use GPE by next year :) |
| 15:33:41 | mccarthy | spung: keepinging my fingers crossed that I get enough time or maybe pd just does it ;) |
| 15:34:09 | spung | :] |
| 15:34:17 | pb_ | mccarthy: sounds good |
| 15:41:47 | mccarthy | pb_: is gpe-contact at all usable? |
| 15:41:57 | pb_ | no :-( |
| 15:42:12 | pb_ | waiting on DaveH and his new OPDS library really |
| 15:42:20 | mccarthy | pb_: how about gpe-su? (and what does it do BTW?) |
| 15:42:35 | pb_ | yup, gpe-su works |
| 15:42:41 | pb_ | ... oh, well, kind of. |
| 15:42:51 | pb_ | you need an as-yet-unreleased version of tinylogin :-/ |
| 15:43:15 | pb_ | It's just a graphical frontend for "su", prompts you for the root password and then opens an rxvt running as root. |
| 15:43:41 | mccarthy | pb_: OK. so I am *not* crazy... tinylogin doesn't allow su to work? (I have been ussing ssh root@localhost) |
| 15:44:04 | pb_ | hmm, I'm not sure |
| 15:44:23 | pb_ | I know "su -c" doesn't work with the tinylogin that's in familiar at the moment, which is the problem that kills gpe-su |
| 15:44:48 | mccarthy | pb_: If I am not *already* root, then su tells me sh-2.03$ su |
| 15:44:49 | mccarthy | su: This applet requires root priviledges! |
| 15:45:04 | pb_ | mccarthy: looks like you need to make it setuid |
| 15:45:18 | mccarthy | pb_: oh. I forgot that ipkg doesn't do that.... |
| 15:46:09 | pb_ | yeah. |
| 15:54:48 | mccarthy | pb_: does keylaunch take a whole lot of CPU on your machine? |
| 15:55:43 | pb_ | mccarthy: hmm, not that I've noticed |
| 15:55:55 | pb_ | mccarthy: use strace, find out what it's up to? |
| 15:56:16 | mccarthy | pb_: also, does it start apps with a reasonable path (and user)? |
| 15:56:32 | pb_ | I think it just inherits that from its environment |
| 15:56:47 | pb_ | so, you need to start keylaunch in your .xsession, rather than in the global startup stuff. |
| 15:56:52 | mccarthy | pb_: do you start it at the command line or when you log in? |
| 15:56:59 | mccarthy | pb_: oh. OK. |
| 15:58:04 | pb_ | I think keylaunch could stick a file in /etc/X11/Xsession-gpe.d to get itself launched automatically at login. |
| 15:59:59 | mccarthy | pb_: one last one... how does gpe-soundbit work? (for me its "not at all") |
| 16:01:11 | pb_ | I haven't tried it recently |
| 16:01:24 | pb_ | can you expand on "not at all" at all? :-) |
| 16:02:23 | mccarthy | pb_: not really, I was mostly saying that I do not know *how* to use it... do I use the record button to toggle or do I hold it down? |
| 16:02:45 | pb_ | I think you press it once to start, once to stop. |
| 16:03:59 | mccarthy | pb_: If I started something in Xsession-gpe.d it should have the right owner, $HOME, $PATH, etc. ? |
| 16:04:03 | pb_ | yup |
| 16:04:51 | pb_ | hmm, just noticed that "gpe-soundbite record --autogenerate-filename" doesn't seem to work so well. |
| 16:04:58 | pb_ | (that's what keylaunch runs by default, I think) |
| 16:07:45 | pb_ | hmm, moray is calling all kinds of gtk functions before gpe_application_init, which isn't exactly kosher |
| 16:08:18 | spung | pb_ meet mallum |
| 16:08:20 | spung | mallum meet pb_ |
| 16:08:20 | mallum | hello |
| 16:08:27 | pb_ | yo mallum |
| 16:08:33 | mallum | what a crap day at work that was :( |
| 16:08:41 | pb_ | first day? :-) |
| 16:08:47 | mallum | yeah |
| 16:09:02 | mallum | some people are very silly |
| 16:09:13 | pb_ | what was it like? |
| 16:09:19 | spung | mallum: php power! |
| 16:09:22 | spung | lol |
| 16:09:54 | mallum | They have no dev server only live. The PHP is all over the place. The only account on the box is root ( or which they have been ftping stuff up as ) etc etc |
| 16:10:09 | pb_ | ! |
| 16:10:12 | spung | lol |
| 16:12:10 | mallum | its one of them cobalt raq things, which greets you with a load of instructions when you log in |
| 16:13:28 | mallum | ANyway I managed to get some covery hacking done |
| 16:13:31 | mallum | covert |
| 16:13:40 | pb_ | :-) |
| 16:13:50 | mallum | hacking as in hacking matchbox, not hacking them - that would be far too easy |
| 16:14:05 | spung | heheheheheheheh |
| 16:14:07 | mallum | pb_: do you drive to work ? |
| 16:14:24 | pb_ | mallum: since my bike was stolen, yes :-| |
| 16:14:44 | mallum | pb_: does it take long ? |
| 16:14:52 | pb_ | mallum: usually 10-15 minutes |
| 16:15:18 | mallum | I wish I lived in the countryside :( |
| 16:15:26 | pb_ | mallum: I work in CB1 2SN, and live in CB4 9HN, you can probably see how far apart they are on streetmap or something. |
| 16:15:39 | mallum | took me an hour on the damn bus to travel ~5 miles |
| 16:16:03 | pb_ | :-( |
| 16:16:15 | mallum | I gotta get out of london ... |
| 16:16:32 | mccarthy | pb_: thanks for the help with keylaunch. I like keyctl better :) |
| 16:16:39 | pb_ | what's keyctl? |
| 16:17:00 | pb_ | if it's better, maybe we should use it to replace keylaunch. |
| 16:17:01 | mccarthy | pb_: same difference, just has a gui foe the config file and doesn't seem to take as much cpu... |
| 16:17:05 | pb_ | ah |
| 16:17:28 | mccarthy | pb_: I cannot remember who originally wrote it, but I had to hack it a bit to actually get it to work. |
| 16:17:38 | pb_ | I'm a bit surprised (not to say dismayed) that keylaunch is sitting there chewing up CPU time. |
| 16:17:57 | pb_ | It doesn't seem to do that for me. |
| 16:18:00 | mccarthy | pb_: I am fairly certain no one else uses it because of this fact (and that I have never actually uploaded my fixed ipk to unstable) |
| 16:18:09 | pb_ | ah |
| 16:18:19 | pb_ | well, why not upload it now, then I can do a head-to-head comparison :-) |
| 16:18:48 | mccarthy | pb_: I will have to make a slight mod to the ipk so it puts something in Xsession-gpe.d instead of rc2.d |
| 16:18:54 | pb_ | right |
| 16:19:03 | mccarthy | pb_: you think the *real* author will get pissed?! |
| 16:19:29 | pb_ | I doubt it, people seem to have a fairly laid-back attitude to that kind of thing in familiar. |
| 16:20:06 | pb_ | Try it in big debian of course, and you can expect someone to break your arms almost as soon as your package hits the archive :-) |
| 16:20:36 | mccarthy | pb_: Tom Vogt is the original author.... I should email hime I guess.... |
| 16:20:56 | pb_ | I suppose the risk might be that by moving it from rc2.d to Xsession-gpe.d, you stop it working for anybody not using GPE. That might suck to some extent. |
| 16:21:01 | pb_ | yeah, good plan, talk to Tom. |
| 16:22:05 | mccarthy | pb_: I will let you know where I put the fixed ipk in the meantime... |
| 16:22:24 | pb_ | cool |
| 16:23:31 | pb_ | back later |
| 16:32:06 | mccarthy | anyone eavesdropping on my conversation with pd can grab a working keyctl from http://granular.che.pitt.edu/~mccarthy/feed/ |
| 16:32:07 | mccarthy | later all |
| 17:01:29 | mallum | hey pb_ |
| 17:01:36 | pb_ | hey |
| 17:01:53 | pb_ | just been doing a spot of gardening |
| 17:04:40 | mallum | nice :) |
| 17:04:50 | mallum | bbq ? |
| 17:06:06 | pb_ | not today :-) |
| 18:44:52 | lars_g | Greetings everybody |
| 18:44:57 | lars_g | Mallum: around? |
| 18:46:01 | pb_ | hey lars_g |
| 18:47:23 | lars_g | pb_: Hey Pb, how do you do? |
| 18:48:35 | mallum | lars_g: indeed I am :) |
| 18:49:35 | pb_ | lars_g: very well thanks |
| 18:49:48 | pb_ | lars_g: per your request, I started adding some libgpewidget documentation to the web site |
| 18:53:12 | lars_g | mallum: Just wanted to congrat you on releasing 0.3 |
| 18:53:33 | lars_g | pb_: that'll be a bliss, thank you very much. |
| 18:54:16 | pb_ | lars_g: also, I packaged the sfm file manager, it's in familiar now if you want to play with it. |
| 18:54:32 | lars_g | pb_: okies thou I think i'd play with gxfm too |
| 18:54:40 | pb_ | sure |
| 18:54:41 | lars_g | i'll clean space onto the ipaq an dplay with both |
| 18:54:56 | mallum | lars_g: :) |
| 18:55:19 | lars_g | mallum: too sad i'll jsut have to chocke mbdock to death but well, anyhow :) |
| 18:58:45 | mallum | lars_g: ? |
| 19:01:00 | lars_g | it seems to not be too... aaahhhh constant with handling what apps to load... |
| 19:01:54 | lars_g | if it has any code in it to remove an app from the list if it dies, it'll cause unconstantness during shutodwns or restarts (I loose apps form my dock, liek for example volume ctl and clock tend to die and disapear a lot) |
| 19:02:28 | lars_g | i'd suggest restraining the app list in .mbdock to be updated only by specifically calling the add and remove options in the mbdock menu |
| 19:02:38 | mallum | lars_g: thats what happens now with 0.3 |
| 19:02:55 | mallum | lars_g: you you can still add from whereever else |
| 19:03:15 | mallum | lars_g: though there probably wont be a solid solution till 0.4 :( |
| 19:03:30 | lars_g | mallum: lattest ver? I had used your pre 0.3 ipkg made before the mess up with the minimizing functions.... |
| 19:04:14 | mallum | lars_g: Just 0.3 |
| 19:06:29 | lars_g | sigh |
| 19:06:35 | lars_g | thanks |
| 19:10:41 | mallum | lars_g: why sigh ? |
| 19:13:20 | mallum | I have realloc |
| 19:13:24 | mallum | hate |
| 19:14:04 | pb_ | mallum: why? |
| 19:14:32 | mallum | pb_: it gets me into trouble |
| 19:14:45 | mallum | pb_: does this look wrong to you; |
| 19:15:04 | mallum | if (parser->_current_node->cdata == NULL) |
| 19:15:04 | mallum | { |
| 19:15:04 | mallum | parser->_current_node->cdata = |
| 19:15:04 | mallum | (char *)malloc(sizeof(char)*(strlen(cdata)+1)); |
| 19:15:04 | mallum | strcpy(parser->_current_node->cdata, cdata); |
| 19:15:05 | mallum | } else { |
| 19:15:09 | mallum | /* |
| 19:15:11 | mallum | parser->_current_node->cdata = |
| 19:15:13 | mallum | (char *)realloc(parser->_current_node->cdata, |
| 19:15:15 | mallum | sizeof(char)*(strlen(cdata)+1)); |
| 19:15:17 | mallum | strcat(parser->_current_node->cdata, cdata); |
| 19:15:21 | mallum | */ |
| 19:15:23 | mallum | ; |
| 19:15:25 | mallum | } |
| 19:15:27 | mallum | ( imagine comments are not there ) |
| 19:16:15 | pb_ | um, I think you want the length for the realloc to be strlen(cdata)+strlen(parser->_current_node->cdata)+1 |
| 19:16:22 | pb_ | (*sizeof(char) if you like :-) |
| 19:17:06 | mallum | pb_: of course realloc needs to total length than just the incremented size |
| 19:17:10 | pb_ | yup |
| 19:17:10 | mallum | slaps forehead |
| 19:17:29 | mallum | I love realloc now |
| 19:17:39 | pb_ | heh |
| 19:19:22 | mallum | cool, xml parser is becoming less crappy |
| 19:40:23 | lars_g | pb_: you're a good coder :) |
| 19:41:54 | pb_ | ha! |
| 20:34:39 | pb_ | grr, stupid pc keeps crashing :-( |
| 20:39:24 | lars_g | bbl |
| 20:44:40 | mallum | pb_: stop using windows 95 then ! |
| 20:45:16 | mallum | pb_: alot of people obviously read freshmeat |
| 20:45:29 | mallum | pb_: I've got a load of wierd matchbox 0.3 related mail |
| 20:45:56 | mallum | pb_: including a debian bug report and where is 0.3 deb ? |
| 20:46:00 | pb_ | mallum: I think it's either these poxy binary-only nvidia drivers, or my motherboard. |
| 20:46:11 | pb_ | mallum: heh :-) |
| 20:46:14 | mallum | pb_: arg get rid of that evil nvidia crap |
| 20:46:24 | mallum | pb_: get a radeon 7500 |
| 20:46:27 | pb_ | mallum: you want me to upload debs for 0.3? |
| 20:46:39 | pb_ | mallum: yeah, I should. |
| 20:47:00 | mallum | pb_: them nvidia drivers really arn't worth the hassle |
| 20:47:04 | pb_ | mallum: agreed |
| 20:47:14 | pb_ | mallum: I bought the card before I realised there were no decent drivers :-( |
| 20:47:25 | mallum | pb_: yeah me too |
| 20:47:40 | mallum | pb_: I have a geforece2 lying in a box |
| 20:47:57 | mallum | pb_: got a matrox450 cheap off a friend and am using that instead |
| 20:48:07 | mallum | pb_: but the radeon 7500 are meant to be really good |
| 20:48:14 | mallum | and 8500 support is close |
| 20:48:50 | pb_ | yeah, my previous PC had a matrox millennium II, that was a pretty good card. |
| 20:49:07 | mallum | pb_: heres my bug report; |
| 20:49:10 | mallum | The control field contains: |
| 20:49:10 | mallum | Provides: x-window-manager |
| 20:49:10 | mallum | but this isn't the case. It does not seem to add itself as an option for |
| 20:49:13 | mallum | somewhere that explains how to do this...) |
| 20:49:46 | pb_ | heh |
| 20:49:50 | mallum | I'll have to look up how to do that :) |
| 20:50:08 | pb_ | yah, something to do with update-alternatives |
| 20:50:22 | mallum | what I'll probably do is release a 0.3.1 pretty soon, with minor bug fixes |
| 20:50:30 | pb_ | cool |
| 20:50:31 | mallum | move my debian build stuff into the distro |
| 20:50:43 | pb_ | did you get that little patch for the dock I sent you the other day, btw? |
| 20:50:43 | mallum | and release that a native package ? |
| 20:50:55 | mallum | pb_: yeah, I did sorry for not aknolodging |
| 20:51:00 | pb_ | np |
| 20:51:29 | pb_ | I'm not sure it's a good idea to make it a native package. |
| 20:51:38 | mallum | pb_: really ? |
| 20:51:58 | pb_ | well, if (the impossible happens and) there is a bug in the packaging, you will have to bump the "real" version number to fix it. |
| 20:52:39 | pb_ | fr'example, I've had to respin the debian packaging for libgpewidget a couple of times because of missing build-depends and stuff like that. |
| 20:53:00 | pb_ | I guess it's not a particularly big deal, though. |
| 20:53:46 | mallum | yeah its probably easier for me to do that in a way |
| 20:53:55 | pb_ | fair enough |
| 20:54:16 | mallum | because then I only have to worry about 1 version number in configure.ac |
| 20:54:23 | mallum | and that will propergate to all build scripts |
| 20:54:35 | pb_ | well, the debian version number wouldn't go in configure.ac anyway, it only exists in the debian changelog. |
| 20:54:58 | mallum | ah yes, of course |
| 20:55:09 | mallum | Im too used building ipkg's |
| 20:55:13 | pb_ | :-) |
| 20:55:54 | mallum | If its not native, should I not add the debian dir to the source dist or does that not make alot of diffrence ? |
| 20:56:59 | pb_ | well, the way I handle the packaging for gpe is to keep both the debian and familiar dirs in CVS, but omit them from the .orig.tar.gz archive. |
| 20:57:15 | pb_ | that way, all the debian/ stuff ends up in the debian-specific diff file, which seems to be what people expect. |
| 20:57:20 | mallum | pb_: yeah thats what I've been doeing up till now |
| 20:57:58 | pb_ | there's some (admittedly fairly nasty) boilerplate in most of the gpe makefiles to handle creating the .orig.tar.gz with this stuff left out, you might want to see if it fits the bill for you. |
| 20:58:02 | dc_ | yay |
| 20:58:05 | pb_ | hey dc_ |
| 20:58:07 | dc_ | ph34r mirc |
| 20:58:08 | mallum | dc_: :) |
| 20:58:11 | dc_ | pb_: hey :D |
| 20:58:13 | dc_ | hey mallum |
| 20:58:17 | mallum | dc_: are you upside down ? |
| 20:58:17 | dc_ | :) |
| 20:58:22 | dc_ | heh, yah. |
| 20:58:28 | pb_ | cool :-) |
| 20:58:30 | dc_ | mallum: it's a strange feeling |
| 20:58:48 | dc_ | I have a bit of jet lag.. |
| 20:58:54 | mallum | dc_: tokyo good ? |
| 20:59:10 | dc_ | mallum: yeah alright, I didn't actualy get into the city this time |
| 20:59:15 | dc_ | mallum: maby on the way back |
| 20:59:22 | dc_ | but the aireport is a pain in the ass |
| 20:59:38 | dc_ | it's got almost no directions or signs :} |
| 20:59:48 | mallum | dc_: :( |
| 21:00:09 | dc_ | and for every 1 foot of space you have in gatwick or somewhere, they decide to put down 10 foot square |
| 21:00:18 | dc_ | so there's alot of empty space :/ |
| 21:00:22 | mallum | pb_: I'll have a go at building a test 0.3 package tommrow at work covert style |
| 21:00:42 | pb_ | mallum: cool |
| 21:00:44 | mallum | dc_: were _all_ the signs in japanese |
| 21:01:09 | dc_ | mallum: luckily, no :} |
| 21:02:36 | pb_ | ah, cool, sketchbook man is checking in his code |
| 21:03:10 | pb_ | dc_: when did you get to australia? |
| 21:03:12 | dc_ | reads the mailling list |
| 21:04:30 | dc_ | pb_: 2 days agp |
| 21:04:31 | mallum | pb_: quick question : I untar the mb 0.3 tarball, add the debian dir from cvs, add an entry to the changelog, then run dpkg-buildpackage ... right ? |
| 21:04:32 | dc_ | ago |
| 21:04:41 | dc_ | pb_: I've just been sleeping :) |
| 21:04:44 | pb_ | mallum: right |
| 21:04:44 | mallum | pb_: how does it build the diff though from the original |
| 21:05:00 | pb_ | mallum: you need to put matchbox_0.3.orig.tar.gz in the parent directory |
| 21:05:13 | pb_ | mallum: dpkg-buildpackage will untar it and run the diff. |
| 21:05:18 | dc_ | mallum: are you aware of any way to get the iBooks' modem working? |
| 21:05:19 | pb_ | dc_: ha |
| 21:05:22 | mallum | pb_: cool ... forgot that bit |
| 21:05:29 | mallum | dc_: ibook 1 ? |
| 21:05:32 | dc_ | mallum: it seems I'm a but stuck having to use mirc... |
| 21:05:35 | dc_ | mallum: :/ |
| 21:05:49 | dc_ | mallum: I'm not sure...what's the difference? |
| 21:06:00 | mallum | dc_: the funny apple shaped one ? |
| 21:06:43 | dc_ | mallum: no, it's the sleek all white one. |
| 21:07:24 | mallum | dc_: ok, I think thats an ibook2 |
| 21:07:34 | mallum | dc_: Im glad you dont have the girly one |
| 21:09:26 | mallum | dc_: I think they have a winmodem ! |
| 21:09:45 | mallum | dc_: I thought it was supported but googling for it returns nothing |
| 21:09:48 | dc_ | arg!! |
| 21:09:52 | pb_ | (gasp!) |
| 21:09:55 | mallum | dc_: does lspci show anything ? |
| 21:09:55 | dc_ | :{ |
| 21:10:25 | mallum | dc_: I got irda working on my tibook :) |
| 21:10:47 | mallum | dc_: lspci dont even show my modem :( |
| 21:11:10 | dc_ | mallum: same :{ |
| 21:11:19 | dc_ | mallum: hehe irda, cool :) |
| 21:11:19 | mallum | dc_: BTW, you should subscribe ( if not already ) to the debian ppc lists |
| 21:11:28 | mallum | list rather |
| 21:11:31 | dc_ | mallum: oh cool |
| 21:12:21 | pb_ | ah, hmm, looks like my gpe-sketchbook celebrations were a bit premature. |
| 21:12:26 | pb_ | pb@kc:~/gpe/base/gpe-sketchbook$ ls -l |
| 21:12:26 | pb_ | total 8 |
| 21:12:26 | pb_ | drwxr-sr-x 2 pb pb 4096 Jul 15 23:16 CVS |
| 21:12:27 | pb_ | -rw-r--r-- 1 pb pb 15 Jul 15 23:02 README |
| 21:12:27 | pb_ | pb@kc:~/gpe/base/gpe-sketchbook$ |
| 21:12:36 | mallum | If it's a first-gen TiBook (400 or 500 MHz processor): should work; at |
| 21:12:36 | mallum | worst, you need to add a pause to make the modem wake up. But I think |
| 21:12:36 | mallum | that was accounted for in wvdial... |
| 21:12:36 | mallum | If it's a second- or third-gen TiBook (all other speeds): you're out of |
| 21:12:37 | mallum | luck, it's a USB softmodem (aka winmodem, although there's no Windows |
| 21:12:39 | mallum | involved here..). |
| 21:13:09 | mallum | dc_: I think your ibook is equiv to first-gen tibook, so there should be docs |
| 21:14:16 | dc_ | mallum: yeah it's a 500 |
| 21:14:28 | dc_ | mallum: now wait for this. |
| 21:14:41 | dc_ | mallum: the next problem is I don't have wvdial installed :) |
| 21:14:44 | dc_ | heh |
| 21:14:59 | mallum | dc_: dont ask me about ppp :) |
| 21:16:02 | dc_ | :) |
| 21:16:14 | dc_ | wow |
| 21:16:27 | pb_ | dc_: what? |
| 21:16:31 | dc_ | pb_: what's happening with that bluetooth manager? |
| 21:16:37 | mallum | dc_: I think (and I have nothing to go on, except for my-own-you-should-not- |
| 21:16:38 | mallum | trust-your-life-with-memory :) that the very first version of the ibook2 |
| 21:16:38 | mallum | (400 and 500 MHz G3 with a 66 MHz system bus) _DID_ have full hardware |
| 21:16:38 | mallum | modems. It was the revision after that (500 and 600 MHz, with a 100 MHz |
| 21:16:38 | mallum | bus) in which Apple changed to the conexant "soft" modem. |
| 21:16:42 | pb_ | dc_: nothing so far, looks pretty cool though. |
| 21:17:00 | pb_ | dc_: I was gonna try to install Affix, but decided to wait and see if binary packages were forthcoming. |
| 21:17:11 | mallum | dc_: thats cut and pasted from debian-ppc list BTW |
| 21:17:16 | dc_ | pb_: it'd be cool if we could convert it to libgpewidget |
| 21:17:25 | pb_ | dc_: sure would. |
| 21:17:27 | dc_ | pb_: it _looks_ really cool |
| 21:17:50 | pb_ | dc_: if I find myself bored at the office tomorrow (all too likely) I might have a look at the code, see what's involved. |
| 21:18:41 | dc_ | pb_: cool |
| 21:23:47 | mallum | dc_: you may have to grab a usb modem :{ |
| 21:24:41 | dc_ | mallum: it seems. |
| 21:25:01 | dc_ | mallum: authough, what do you think about a usb -> serial converter? |
| 21:25:50 | mallum | dc_: I have one, but never tried it |
| 21:28:05 | dc_ | mallum: hrm |
| 21:33:23 | mallum | pb_: have you ever set up ppp with irda and a mobile phone ? |
| 21:34:13 | pb_ | mallum: yeah, I used to use that on my 7110 |
| 21:35:42 | dc_ | pb_: also.. |
| 21:36:03 | dc_ | pb_: in gpe-appmgr, it seems the pixmaps for the notebook aren't alpher. |
| 21:36:09 | dc_ | alpha :) |
| 21:36:19 | pb_ | dc_: could very well be |
| 21:36:28 | pb_ | dc_: you want me to investigate? |
| 21:37:19 | dc_ | pb_: only if you have time, I think it could also be the pixmaps, but if you can posibbly get then atleast rendered properly, I can find some new ones. |
| 21:37:44 | pb_ | righto |
| 21:37:50 | dc_ | :D |
| 21:37:52 | dc_ | thanks. |
| 21:38:29 | pb_ | we need to do something about the way GtkNotebook handles having too many tabs to fit on the display, too. |
| 21:38:53 | dc_ | ah yes |
| 21:38:55 | pb_ | At the moment you get these tiny little scroll buttons, which invariably end up so close to the edge of the screen that they're impossible to hit with the stylus. |
| 21:38:58 | dc_ | tck had a nice way |
| 21:39:17 | pb_ | don't think I saw that |
| 21:39:20 | dc_ | pb_: can we enlagre these? |
| 21:39:29 | dc_ | pb_: thekompany.com |
| 21:39:38 | dc_ | pb_: btw, nice docs on the site. |
| 21:39:50 | pb_ | heh |
| 21:40:00 | pb_ | lars_g shamed me into writing some documentation |
| 21:40:11 | dc_ | hehe |
| 21:42:47 | pb_ | dc_: btw, I uploaded a few more packages, notably: detect-stylus, which should be able to put libgpewidget into "stylus mode" on an ipaq, and sfm, which is a file manager. |
| 21:42:58 | pb_ | dc_: and there's also a "gpe-apps" task package now. |
| 21:44:43 | mallum | I think the scrollbars are so thin cos were running the wierd patched gtk from hh.org cvs |
| 21:47:53 | mallum | bedtime for me :) |
| 21:48:36 | mallum | g'night |
| 21:48:39 | dc_ | mallum: hehe, night |
| 21:49:33 | pb_ | dc_: heh, I guess it's tomorrow morning where you are :-) |
| 21:52:01 | dc_ | 9 am |
| 21:52:01 | dc_ | L{ |
| 21:52:03 | dc_ | :0 |
| 21:52:07 | dc_ | argf. |
| 21:52:14 | dc_ | damn outlook express |
| 21:52:22 | dc_ | can't even send emails. |
| 21:52:41 | pb_ | hell! |
| 21:53:45 | lars_g | rolls into channel |
| 21:54:09 | lars_g | pb_: thanks for the documentation starts (altough it took me a while to find it out :) it's very nice :) |
| 21:54:41 | dc_ | hey lars_g |
| 21:55:59 | lars_g | dc_: hey, long time, how do you do? |
| 21:57:55 | dc_ | good. |
| 21:57:58 | dc_ | jet lagged... |
| 22:00:38 | lars_g | were did you went? |
| 22:04:48 | dc_ | I'm currently in australia |
| 22:05:12 | lars_g | Ohh great :) |
| 22:05:24 | lars_g | one day I want to visit Aus. |
| 22:05:31 | lars_g | Vacationing? |
| 22:05:38 | dc_ | I was born there |
| 22:05:41 | dc_ | yeah, |
| 22:05:46 | lars_g | if you ever meet pigeon send him greetings on my behalf. |
| 22:05:55 | dc_ | it's been 3 years since I visited. |
| 22:06:02 | dc_ | lars_g: he's in Oz? |
| 22:09:21 | dc_ | breakfast time. |
| 22:09:23 | dc_ | later all. |
| 22:09:28 | pb_ | later |
| 22:09:30 | dc_ | enjoy your sleep |
| 22:09:30 | pb_ | bedtime for me :-) |
| 22:09:31 | dc_ | hehe |
| 22:12:32 | lars_g | pb_: you'd be going too then ? :) |
| 22:13:24 | pb_ | lars_g: uh, yeah, I got distracted for a moment there |
| 22:13:27 | pb_ | night :-) |