| 04:25:39 | DaveH | is back (gone 21:15:49) |
| 04:25:47 | DaveH | is away: I'm busy |
| 11:10:59 | moray | mallum: I've plugged xsi.c into keylaunch; any ideas why the X error is occuring when it tries to see if it needs to raise a window? |
| 11:11:03 | moray | X Error of failed request: BadAtom (invalid Atom parameter) |
| 11:11:03 | moray | Major opcode of failed request: 20 (X_GetProperty) |
| 11:11:04 | moray | Atom id in failed request: 0x0 |
| 11:11:04 | moray | Serial number of failed request: 10959 |
| 11:11:04 | moray | Current serial number in output stream: 10959 |
| 12:01:15 | mallum | moray: is this from bbkeys ? |
| 12:02:16 | moray | mallum: this problem's coming from the version of the xsingleinstance stuff in monolaunch... |
| 12:02:40 | moray | (I couldn't find the original xsingleinstance anywhere :( ) |
| 12:02:52 | mallum | its pretty hacked up in monolaunch |
| 12:03:00 | mallum | I think it even does stuff differently now |
| 12:03:22 | mallum | seems like your trying to access an atom you havn't predeclared |
| 12:04:04 | moray | it happens on doing the '|| wm_state(display, xid) != NormalState' I think |
| 12:06:40 | mallum | wm_state will be changing a WM_STATE atom IIRC |
| 12:07:04 | mallum | check theres an XinternAtom(WM_STATE, False) ( or similar ) in the code |
| 12:07:11 | moray | ok... |
| 12:07:19 | mallum | brb |
| 12:07:23 | moray | (thanks, I've not played with this type of X stuff much before) |
| 12:36:16 | mccarthy | wow! those brits (dc and pb) had a busy weekend! |
| 15:09:34 | mallum | hi |
| 15:09:44 | mallum | moray: do you have your ipaq with you ? |
| 15:10:05 | moray | mallum: yes? |
| 15:11:29 | mallum | moray: could you tell me how much memory a single rxvt-aa is using ? |
| 15:12:11 | moray | moray 1068 0.0 0.9 1700 580 ? S 14:39 0:00 grep rxvt |
| 15:12:23 | moray | whoops ;) |
| 15:12:34 | moray | #100 565 0.0 2.3 3096 1476 ? S 12:18 0:01 x-terminal-emulator |
| 15:13:03 | mallum | hmm 3 megs approx |
| 15:14:01 | mallum | yep and half that on a non aa rxvt |
| 15:14:26 | mallum | damn no top on my ipaq :( |
| 15:15:06 | moray | 558 #100 9 0 2860 2860 2264 S 0 0.0 4.5 0:00 gpe-appmgr |
| 15:15:06 | moray | 556 #100 9 0 1840 1840 1392 S 4 0.0 2.9 0:00 xstroke |
| 15:15:06 | moray | 562 #100 9 0 1840 1840 1392 S 4 0.0 2.9 0:00 xstroke |
| 15:15:06 | moray | 563 #100 9 0 1840 1840 1392 S 4 0.0 2.9 0:00 xstroke |
| 15:15:06 | moray | 514 root 9 0 1984 1828 1108 S 0 0.0 2.9 0:16 Xipaq |
| 15:15:07 | moray | 579 root 9 0 1556 1556 1356 S 0 0.1 2.4 0:10 sshd |
| 15:15:09 | moray | 881 root 9 0 1540 1540 1356 S 0 0.0 2.4 0:03 sshd |
| 15:15:11 | moray | 560 #100 9 0 1524 1520 1216 S 0 0.0 2.4 0:00 xkbd |
| 15:15:13 | moray | 565 #100 9 0 1480 1476 1196 S 0 0.0 2.3 0:01 x-terminal-e |
| 15:15:17 | moray | 599 moray 9 0 1472 1472 1088 S 0 0.0 2.3 0:04 bash |
| 15:15:19 | moray | 554 #100 9 0 1460 1456 1156 S 0 0.0 2.3 0:00 x-menu-manag |
| 15:15:20 | moray | 598 root 9 0 1284 1284 992 S 0 0.0 2.0 0:00 sh |
| 15:15:23 | moray | 206 root 9 0 1152 1152 1044 S 0 0.0 1.8 0:00 sshd |
| 15:15:25 | moray | 561 #100 9 0 1088 1084 868 S 0 0.0 1.7 0:00 x-window-man |
| 15:15:27 | moray | 1084 moray 19 0 1072 1072 804 R 0 2.3 1.7 0:00 top |
| 15:15:29 | moray | 513 root 9 0 620 616 528 S 0 0.0 0.9 0:00 gpe-dm |
| 15:15:31 | moray | 1 root 8 0 528 524 456 S 0 0.0 0.8 0:04 init |
| 15:15:43 | mallum | moray: what package is top in ? |
| 15:17:11 | moray | mallum: um, don't know, that's from a Debian chroot |
| 15:17:49 | moray | it ought to be in procps |
| 15:18:34 | mallum | ps -v does moreor less the same thing ? |
| 15:20:30 | moray | gets confused by the options to GNU ps |
| 15:20:57 | moray | (including when it accepts things but tells you it doesn't approve of them ;) |
| 16:10:56 | dc_ | afternoon |
| 16:12:57 | moray | hi dc_ |
| 16:13:46 | dc_ | hmm |
| 16:15:09 | mallum | hey dc |
| 16:18:54 | dc_ | anyone aware of how to make nice shadows in the gimp? |
| 16:18:57 | dc_ | mallum: hey! |
| 16:19:25 | dc_ | like, a drop shadow of a shape :/ |
| 16:22:43 | dc_ | n/m ;D |
| 16:23:23 | mallum | dc_: you have to make a mask, gussian blur it etc etc etc |
| 16:23:42 | mccarthy | dc_: hello |
| 16:23:53 | mallum | dc_: http://gimp-savvy.com/BOOK/index.html |
| 16:24:10 | dc_ | mallum: :) |
| 16:26:01 | dc_ | mallum: http://gekk.homelinux.org/gpe-icons/ gpe-tetris yay heheh :} |
| 16:26:06 | dc_ | mccarthy: hey! |
| 16:28:59 | mccarthy | dc_: Where have you been getting your pixmaps? |
| 16:31:13 | mccarthy | dc_: oh well, I hade to make my own for the "show/hide completed" button in the todo app. Me likes gpe-todo very much now :) |
| 16:33:08 | dc_ | mccarthy: noo :} |
| 16:33:16 | dc_ | mccarthy: I will make if you like ;) |
| 16:33:20 | dc_ | mccarthy: or find the |
| 16:33:21 | dc_ | m |
| 16:33:27 | dc_ | mccarthy: I have a load on my pc. |
| 16:33:29 | dc_ | mccarthy: :} |
| 16:33:40 | mccarthy | dc_: you can look in CVS at what I did and start there if you want... or make up your own (I dont care...) |
| 16:33:50 | dc_ | mccarthy: sure :} |
| 16:35:28 | mccarthy | dc_: is pb gone on vacation already? |
| 16:35:40 | dc_ | ow |
| 16:35:42 | dc_ | I hope not :{ |
| 16:36:09 | mccarthy | dc_: tell him to check out the todo then, when he shows up.... I gotta run |
| 16:36:14 | mccarthy | later all |
| 16:36:29 | mccarthy | dc_: (BTW< it looks like you and pb did some nice stuff this weekend!) |
| 16:37:14 | mallum | makes a new matchbox theme :)) |
| 16:42:53 | dc_ | mallum: yay! |
| 16:44:45 | mallum | dc_: I think you'll like this one ... its highly original aqua ish |
| 16:44:59 | dc_ | mallum: cool :) |
| 16:45:01 | dc_ | arg. |
| 16:45:11 | dc_ | wtf did mccarthy do to gpe-todo |
| 16:45:12 | mallum | dc_: based on this -> http://www.lucidus.uklinux.net/metacity/Screenshot-Aqua.jpg |
| 16:45:21 | mallum | dc_: but the lowlight stuff only |
| 16:45:31 | dc_ | mallum: seXY! |
| 16:45:35 | dc_ | mallum: w00t : |
| 16:45:37 | dc_ | :D |
| 16:46:17 | dc_ | nice metacity theme |
| 16:46:40 | mallum | dc_: yes |
| 16:46:49 | mallum | dc_: the dock has basic themeing too now :)) |
| 16:46:53 | dc_ | wow |
| 16:46:54 | dc_ | LD |
| 16:47:07 | dc_ | arg. |
| 16:47:11 | dc_ | damn gpe-todo |
| 16:47:15 | mallum | :( |
| 16:47:54 | dc_ | bbl food |
| 16:49:05 | dc_ | wowo |
| 16:49:07 | dc_ | heh |
| 16:49:13 | dc_ | we's really edited some stuff |
| 16:49:30 | moray | has spent too much time playing with the keylaunch stuff to work round problems, but it's hopefully *almost* done now ;) |
| 16:50:47 | moray | (as in, it works but I'm not completely confident there aren't problems left) |
| 16:52:26 | mallum | moray: anything todo with keyboards and X is a complete bitch |
| 16:53:42 | moray | mallum: well quite :) |
| 16:54:06 | moray | the more recent problem was dealing with: user presses key, we launch app, user presses key again, but the window hasn't quite appeared yet... |
| 16:54:48 | moray | to which I've got no better solution than putting a timeout such that we (hopefully) ignore the second key press... |
| 16:55:37 | moray | (a proper solution would require the user to also configure the various relevant task names etc. so that we could then scan through the running processes, but it would still be a guess in the end whether to run again or not) |
| 17:16:30 | mallum | moray: the app should wait on an xcreatewindow event before assuming its opened |
| 17:18:54 | mallum | moray: check the source for an app called xalf |
| 17:32:12 | dc_ | hrm |
| 17:32:55 | moray | mallum: ooh, true; I'd thought about xalf earlier but then decided it wasn't relevant... |
| 17:33:47 | dc_ | http://gekk.homelinux.org/gpe-icons/ what tetris icon do you guys like better? |
| 17:37:26 | mallum | gpe-tetris-alt |
| 17:37:35 | dc_ | bah |
| 17:37:36 | dc_ | okay |
| 17:37:49 | dc_ | lemme add some shading to it atleast :} |
| 17:37:54 | mallum | did you prefer the other one ? |
| 17:37:58 | dc_ | quite liked his gpe-tetris ;P |
| 17:38:01 | dc_ | mallum: ;P |
| 17:38:14 | dc_ | mallum: hehe, yes |
| 17:38:23 | mallum | dc_: there both pretty nice, the alt one needs a drop shadow though |
| 17:38:31 | dc_ | yep |
| 17:38:33 | dc_ | doing |
| 17:57:35 | dc_ | mallum: try again |
| 17:57:44 | dc_ | mallum: tell me if it's a bit better :} |
| 17:59:40 | mallum | dc_: yah, much better :) |
| 17:59:43 | moray | argh, my fake key event isn't getting to gpe-soundbite under matchbox (it was working on my desktop) |
| 18:01:17 | moray | (note that I fully expect this is my own fault ;) |
| 18:03:41 | mallum | may not be |
| 18:03:50 | mallum | matchbox by defualt grabs the record key |
| 18:03:58 | mallum | ( alt2 I think ) |
| 18:05:06 | moray | mallum: well, if I just run gpe-soundbite I get XF86AudioRecord keypresses fine; if I run keylaunch too then it picks them up fine, but the XTest key sending doesn't manage to get them to gpe-soundbite |
| 18:06:51 | mallum | why are you using Xtest ? |
| 18:08:06 | moray | mallum: I want to send the XF86AudioRecord KeyRelease event to gpe-soundbite, so that it can use that to decide when to stop recording |
| 18:09:29 | mallum | moray: hmmmm, can you not use another mechanism for messaging between the teo apps ? |
| 18:10:35 | moray | mallum: well, possibly, but I was trying to make this a generalised thing rather than something gpe-soundbite specific - if the keypress gets passed there's a good chance the user can configure other X apps to do something with it too |
| 18:11:58 | mallum | moray: you have to send a down and an up event remember with xstroke |
| 18:12:03 | mallum | xtest rather |
| 18:17:47 | moray | (it still doesn't get through to gpe-soundbite) |
| 18:19:42 | mallum | hmmm, becuse its a modifier key you may have to do something special |
| 18:20:00 | mallum | and of course gpe-soundbite will have to have keyboard focus |
| 18:20:29 | moray | yes - it definitely gets focus if run on its own, but it's possibly not getting it for some reason when keylaunch runs it I suppose |
| 18:24:41 | mallum | moray: does keylaunch specifically request not to have focus ? |
| 18:25:11 | moray | mallum: well, it doesn't have a window? |
| 18:25:45 | mallum | well that should stop it from getting focus :) |
| 18:26:30 | moray | hm, I'm sure it would be easier if I wasn't trying to compile for two different architectures out of the same CVS tree |
| 18:26:44 | moray | (obviously I could use separate ones, but then I'd just get more confused...) |
| 18:29:08 | moray | hm |
| 18:29:15 | moray | that's started working now :) |
| 18:29:23 | moray | no idea why, though... |
| 18:29:49 | moray | (and it's now occasionally deciding that /dev/dsp is busy when it shouldn't be) |
| 18:30:57 | moray | (ah - that *could* be a lack of a close() and not reaping children, I suppose, if things work like that??) |
| 18:31:57 | moray | (not reaping fast enough I mean) |
| 18:39:13 | dc_ | hmm |
| 18:40:53 | moray | hm, usbnet went down again - removing and inserting from the cradle brought it back; strangely my old ssh sessions took a large number of seconds to recover |
| 19:14:21 | dc_ | yay |
| 19:14:38 | dc_ | you can now entry your name when you get a highscore in gpe-tetris ;) |
| 19:30:20 | mallum | dc_: :)) |
| 19:30:34 | mallum | dc_: matchbox nearly has xft text back again ... |
| 19:56:39 | dc_ | mallum: wow :) |
| 19:56:52 | moray | ok, I *appear* to have gpe-soundbite working reliably with the record button now |
| 19:57:03 | dc_ | cool |
| 19:57:04 | dc_ | !! |
| 19:57:21 | moray | and it should be trivial now to set it so that the other buttons work as desired |
| 19:58:14 | dc_ | :} |
| 19:59:30 | dc_ | bbl |
| 20:05:02 | mallum | moray: excellent :)) |
| 20:23:06 | mallum | cool, xft working again :)) |
| 20:23:58 | moray | ooh, sounds nice :) |
| 20:24:59 | mallum | I think its time for 0.3pre2 |
| 20:25:35 | moray | yes |
| 20:28:07 | moray | hm, anyone managed to get gpe-contacts to compile? |
| 20:28:16 | moray | actually, I just want to know the name of its main window... |
| 20:29:28 | mallum | moray: dont do it like that. Use createwindow events to figure out the window just launched |
| 20:29:53 | moray | mallum: this is for raising the window of an already-running program, which we may not have launched |
| 20:30:55 | mallum | moray: what if the program changes its title ? |
| 20:31:05 | mallum | moray: such as dillo ? |
| 20:32:30 | moray | mallum: then we need a better mechanism (though you could argue that with such programs you're likely to want to be able to get multiple windows by multiple button presses) |
| 20:33:17 | mallum | moray: exactly |
| 20:33:55 | mallum | moray: I think we need like a mini bonobo |
| 20:34:43 | moray | yes, I wouldn't argue with that - I don't think there's much middle ground between guessing from window titles etc. and having a reliable mechanism; there's no point trying to build more and more complicated heuristics into every program |
| 20:35:19 | moray | we really want a centralised mechanism for seeing what's running / bringing it to the front / (preferably) sending it files |
| 20:36:49 | mallum | yes somesort of global configuration database |
| 20:37:04 | mallum | it maybe closer to gconf than bonobo |
| 20:42:18 | mallum | I was looking at the XSettings stuff over on freedesktop.org, that may be a lightwieght solution |
| 20:44:01 | moray | yes, that sounds reasonable for the things it covers |
| 20:45:39 | mallum | there a basic ( ha! ) implementation too |
| 20:45:50 | mallum | I think kde uses it ... |
| 20:48:16 | moray | bizarre, I seem to be losing the key mapping for the arrow / XF86Start button |
| 20:52:04 | moray | (I presume it's actually bad interaction with the pre-existing ghastly parsing code though - maybe I'll rewrite that now) |
| 21:01:09 | dc_ | :} |
| 21:10:00 | dc_ | night |
| 21:16:02 | mallum | new mb shots on scap |
| 21:16:08 | mallum | uploading the ipkg now ... |
