| 00:14.59 | herlo | kj4ohh: hola |
| 00:19.49 | herlo | is here for da meetin' |
| 00:20.23 | kj4ohh | is here too |
| 00:20.31 | herlo | kj4ohh: glad to have you back :) |
| 00:21.39 | goozbach | evening folkses |
| 00:21.46 | goozbach | fires up his installer |
| 00:21.51 | kj4ohh | waiting to get a good answer on stack overflow on my current issue with the one form field getting reset |
| 00:22.17 | kj4ohh | forgot about the install fest, will need to download it and install it in a virtual machine |
| 00:22.49 | kj4ohh | one guy responded to my question and told me since the form was submitting info back it's loosing the chosen item |
| 00:23.11 | herlo | really? |
| 00:23.12 | herlo | weird |
| 00:23.22 | herlo | kj4ohh: yeah, get to downloading. We have time :) |
| 00:23.24 | kj4ohh | I replied back to him and pointed out that the add/remove buttons are not submit buttons and are being handled by jquery script |
| 00:23.52 | kj4ohh | everything is being handled client-side until you hit save or cancel |
| 00:24.02 | kj4ohh | waiting for someone else to take a stab at it ;) |
| 00:24.56 | herlo | ya |
| 00:25.06 | herlo | kj4ohh: got a link? |
| 00:25.07 | goozbach | #startmeeting |
| 00:25.08 | goosebot | Meeting started Wed Oct 24 00:25:07 2012 UTC. The chair is goozbach. Information about MeetBot at http://gooseproject.org/2011/11/07/weekly-meetings.html. |
| 00:25.08 | goosebot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. |
| 00:25.31 | goozbach | #chair herlo kj4ohh shalkie Nafai Nafai Gate zaytsev zoglesby_ kim27 |
| 00:25.32 | goosebot | Current chairs: Gate Nafai goozbach herlo kim27 kj4ohh shalkie zaytsev zoglesby_ |
| 00:25.36 | kj4ohh | #action downloading RC3 dvd iso so I can kick the tiers |
| 00:25.47 | goozbach | #topic roll call and whatca working on |
| 00:25.47 | *** topic/#gooseproject by goosebot -> roll call and whatca working on |
| 00:26.01 | herlo | is here! |
| 00:26.02 | goozbach | herlo: can you post a link to the tests and start divyying them out? |
| 00:26.04 | kj4ohh | herlo: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13022220/jquery-multiselect-code-resetting-other-form-fields |
| 00:26.07 | kj4ohh | is here |
| 00:26.10 | goozbach | I'll be back in just a min |
| 00:26.12 | herlo | goozbach: sure |
| 00:26.14 | herlo | kj4ohh: thanks |
| 00:26.22 | herlo | will look at the kj4ohh link shortly |
| 00:26.34 | herlo | invites shalkie to take on some of this work too, and probably makfinsky too :) |
| 00:26.53 | kj4ohh | #action shaking the rust off of being away from GoOSe for a few weeks |
| 00:27.20 | kj4ohh | #action just finished removing the gooseadmin website's dependency on WTF Forms, using purse html form code now |
| 00:28.31 | kj4ohh | herlo: if you checkout the gooseadmin code make sure you grab the testing branch |
| 00:29.22 | kj4ohh | I've got Ubuntu 12.10 on my laptop atm |
| 00:29.24 | herlo | kj4ohh: btw, do you have a problem moving those over into the gooseproject org? |
| 00:29.51 | herlo | I was thinking it might get more exposure that way, though it could wait if you prefer. |
| 00:30.12 | kj4ohh | move gooseweb/gooseadmin to gooseproject's github? |
| 00:30.33 | kj4ohh | how would I move the repo? |
| 00:30.49 | herlo | kj4ohh: we'd just make a repo over there, and then push your code there. |
| 00:30.55 | herlo | you could then 'fork' from gooseproject |
| 00:31.01 | herlo | it's up to you |
| 00:31.03 | kj4ohh | ah I figured it was something like that |
| 00:31.16 | herlo | I also think you can do it directly in the admin |
| 00:31.22 | herlo | but I can't remember off hand |
| 00:31.41 | kj4ohh | let me do a little bit more cleanup and I'll start moving that way |
| 00:31.48 | herlo | cool |
| 00:31.51 | herlo | that's awesome |
| 00:32.02 | herlo | kj4ohh: did you start downloading ISOs already? |
| 00:32.19 | herlo | is trying to find out who has them downloaded. |
| 00:32.24 | kj4ohh | need to get past getting the interface done and making it do actual stuff already (besides talking to github) |
| 00:32.41 | kj4ohh | it's not quite 50% downloaded |
| 00:33.52 | herlo | cool. let me know when it's done |
| 00:34.35 | kj4ohh | downloading virtualbox now |
| 00:34.42 | kj4ohh | when does fedora 18 come out? |
| 00:35.01 | kj4ohh | keeps his laptop confused by constantly switching distros on it |
| 00:35.48 | herlo | kj4ohh: december atm |
| 00:36.15 | goozbach | is firing up a virtualbox instance for goose |
| 00:36.18 | herlo | cool |
| 00:36.27 | herlo | k, time to divvy things out! :) |
| 00:36.50 | herlo | notes that he'd like to move all of the relevant testing stuff over to a wiki page on GoOSe. |
| 00:38.17 | herlo | so here's what we've got. Simple stuff to start |
| 00:39.11 | herlo | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_Mediakit_ISO_Checksums -- kj4ohh |
| 00:39.24 | herlo | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_Mediakit_Repoclosure -- goozbach |
| 00:41.33 | herlo | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_Mediakit_FileConflicts -- herlo |
| 00:41.38 | kj4ohh | download done, virtualbox installed |
| 00:41.47 | goozbach | runing repoclousre |
| 00:41.54 | goozbach | test roger that |
| 00:41.58 | kj4ohh | you want me to test hash of iso I just downloaded? |
| 00:42.02 | herlo | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_Boot_Methods_Dvd -- kj4ohh |
| 00:42.12 | herlo | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_install_repository_DVD_default -- goozbach |
| 00:42.19 | herlo | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_install_repository_HTTP/FTP_graphical -- herlo |
| 00:42.50 | herlo | kj4ohh: exactly, follow the procedure above and replace Fedora with GoOSe. I'm going to take the results here and make sure we get them all documented |
| 00:43.07 | herlo | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_install_repository_NFS_graphical -- goozbach |
| 00:43.21 | herlo | figures we all can do these in under an hour. |
| 00:44.38 | kj4ohh | you want me to download all the isos for rc3? |
| 00:45.03 | herlo | kj4ohh: if you don't mind. You can delete them when done. |
| 00:45.31 | herlo | would have done that one, but he doesn't have them downloaded yet either. |
| 00:45.38 | kj4ohh | roger, the DVD hash checksum passed |
| 00:45.46 | herlo | w00t! |
| 00:45.50 | kj4ohh | you want me to post results of checksum here or elsewhere? |
| 00:45.57 | herlo | here |
| 00:46.02 | herlo | just do |
| 00:46.04 | kim27 | where can I download goose and try it out? |
| 00:46.07 | herlo | something like |
| 00:46.18 | herlo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:46.31 | herlo | kim27: you can get it at http://get.gooseproject.org |
| 00:46.41 | kim27 | herlo, thanks |
| 00:46.44 | herlo | go into the 6.0 directory and you'll see Beta-RC3 |
| 00:46.58 | herlo | under there are architecture specific isos you can download. |
| 00:47.14 | herlo | kim27: that's the one we're testing now. Should be pretty solid, however. |
| 00:48.05 | kj4ohh | currently downloading 64-bit ISOs |
| 00:48.18 | herlo | kj4ohh: awesome! |
| 00:49.13 | kim27 | currently downloading http://koji.gooselinux.org/releases/6/GoOSe/x86_64/iso/GoOSe-6-x86_64-DVD.iso |
| 00:50.16 | herlo | kim27: great! :) |
| 00:52.38 | kj4ohh | herlo, you want me to do the boot test on all 3 (dvd, 4 cds, netinstall) |
| 00:52.48 | herlo | yes |
| 00:52.59 | kj4ohh | roger |
| 00:54.55 | goozbach | repoclosure test == sucess |
| 00:55.05 | herlo | awesome |
| 00:55.12 | goozbach | #info repoclosure test == success |
| 00:55.24 | kj4ohh | is going to get some h2o, brb |
| 00:55.44 | herlo | kj4ohh: whatever you can get to is fine, btw |
| 00:57.24 | kj4ohh | I don't know if this is going to work out herlo, I have a meeting with the Bobs... ;) |
| 00:57.36 | herlo | lol |
| 00:58.06 | kj4ohh | has been tempted to go office space on a couple printers lately |
| 00:58.23 | herlo | haha, I hear ya |
| 00:59.14 | kj4ohh | had a printer that would not authenticate over the network, doublechecked all settings and everything was right |
| 00:59.30 | kj4ohh | finally check the printer's time and it was a couple minutes off |
| 01:00.01 | kj4ohh | kerberos is a stickler on keeping good time |
| 01:00.34 | goozbach | kj4ohh: time for an NTP server no? |
| 01:01.03 | kj4ohh | I forget it's cutoff period, either 2 or 3 minutes this printer was just barely past the threshold |
| 01:01.29 | kj4ohh | the base has it's ntp server setup wierd, it won't give you the time of day (no pun intended) if the computer is not on the domain |
| 01:01.41 | kj4ohh | windows :( |
| 01:02.00 | kj4ohh | and it blocks you from using external ntp servers, even .gov servers |
| 01:02.35 | kj4ohh | we have a couple of timeclocks that are using the base network's backbone but are not actually on the domain |
| 01:02.59 | kj4ohh | so the base ntp server won't give out time to them.. so I have to manually go over and fix the clock every so oftern |
| 01:03.01 | kj4ohh | sucks... |
| 01:03.35 | kj4ohh | #info almost done downloading isos |
| 01:04.29 | herlo | w00t! |
| 01:06.03 | goozbach | I think I broke virtualbox |
| 01:06.14 | kj4ohh | ruh rho |
| 01:06.27 | kj4ohh | #info isos download starting checksum verification |
| 01:07.12 | kj4ohh | s/download/downloaded/ |
| 01:07.12 | herlo | goozbach: lol |
| 01:09.35 | kj4ohh | #info sha256sum test passed on all ISOs: |
| 01:09.49 | kj4ohh | $ sha256sum -c GoOSe-6-x86_64-CHECKSUM |
| 01:09.49 | kj4ohh | GoOSe-6-x86_64-DVD.iso: OK |
| 01:09.49 | kj4ohh | GoOSe-6-x86_64-disc1.iso: OK |
| 01:09.49 | kj4ohh | GoOSe-6-x86_64-disc2.iso: OK |
| 01:09.49 | kj4ohh | GoOSe-6-x86_64-disc3.iso: OK |
| 01:09.50 | kj4ohh | GoOSe-6-x86_64-disc4.iso: OK |
| 01:09.52 | kj4ohh | GoOSe-6-x86_64-netinst.iso: OK |
| 01:10.22 | goozbach | tries to reboot |
| 01:10.25 | goozbach | le sigh! |
| 01:11.35 | herlo | #info potential conflicts results in quite a few http://paste.stg.fedoraproject.org/1201/ |
| 01:11.41 | kj4ohh | #info beginning isomd5sum test on all ISOs |
| 01:12.00 | herlo | #info herlo working through conflicts now |
| 01:12.44 | herlo | goozbach: btw, if you want to use the new fpaste client that works with Fedora Infra, you can install it from updates-testing 'yum install fpaste' :) |
| 01:13.11 | herlo | oh, I mean 'yum install fpaste --enablerepo=updates-testing' |
| 01:16.28 | kj4ohh | herlo, what's the difference betwen fpaste.org and paste.stg.fedoraproject.org? the latter seems to have more options |
| 01:16.58 | herlo | kj4ohh: fpaste.org is going away |
| 01:17.02 | kj4ohh | ah |
| 01:17.11 | herlo | paste.stg.fp.o is going to be paste.fp.o soon |
| 01:17.27 | herlo | and will be managed by myself and another fedora contributor |
| 01:17.59 | herlo | patched the current fpaste client to point to the new fedora paste service |
| 01:19.24 | kj4ohh | #info isomd5sum test passed on all ISOs: http://paste.stg.fedoraproject.org/1202/ |
| 01:19.38 | kj4ohh | oh you using a desktop pastebin widget or something? |
| 01:19.48 | herlo | kj4ohh: yes, it's called 'fpaste' |
| 01:19.52 | herlo | you can yum install it |
| 01:20.05 | kj4ohh | has to apt-get install it at the moment ;) |
| 01:20.12 | kj4ohh | hehe |
| 01:20.25 | goozbach | I've been pstig using gist |
| 01:20.37 | herlo | goozbach: check out jist |
| 01:20.42 | herlo | it's a command line for gist |
| 01:20.47 | herlo | works pretty well |
| 01:21.18 | kj4ohh | hmmm no fpaste for deb/ubuntu |
| 01:22.37 | kj4ohh | #info all media checks have passed, moving on to boot tests |
| 01:23.11 | herlo | w00t! |
| 01:23.29 | herlo | #info herlo is about done untagging conflicting packages. |
| 01:23.42 | herlo | in truth, none of these affect the release though. |
| 01:23.57 | kj4ohh | so for the boot tests looks like all I have to do is get to the live desktop? |
| 01:24.13 | kj4ohh | or at least get to the install wizard? |
| 01:24.14 | herlo | kj4ohh: what's the link? |
| 01:24.25 | herlo | forgets |
| 01:24.32 | kj4ohh | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_Boot_Methods_Dvd |
| 01:25.29 | herlo | kj4ohh: yep. Simply put, it's that easy! |
| 01:25.33 | herlo | likes easy tests |
| 01:27.51 | kj4ohh | for virtualbox should I set it up as fedora 64 bit or redhat 64bit? don't see a centos option |
| 01:28.14 | goozbach | redhat |
| 01:29.44 | herlo | redhat/centos/goose are all equivalent enough for that |
| 01:32.49 | herlo | #info w00t! http / url install works |
| 01:33.33 | herlo | gonna be slow tho |
| 01:33.48 | goozbach | we still worrying about the red progess bar for the graphical boot? |
| 01:33.53 | goozbach | did we fix that? |
| 01:34.05 | herlo | goozbach: we didn't fix it, but we can if you think it's important |
| 01:34.16 | goozbach | let's fix it for .1 |
| 01:34.21 | herlo | thinks we just need to patch plymouth |
| 01:34.26 | herlo | goozbach: file an issue :) |
| 01:34.31 | goozbach | #action fix red boot progress bar in plymouth |
| 01:34.37 | goozbach | should be in main? |
| 01:34.39 | herlo | and let's add some milestones for 6.1 |
| 01:34.42 | herlo | goozbach: yes, main |
| 01:34.44 | kj4ohh | #info boot test passed on netinstall image |
| 01:34.46 | goozbach | or agains plymouth? |
| 01:35.14 | kj4ohh | can't test installing it atm as I don't have an NFS share available |
| 01:35.22 | herlo | goozbach: I think we should keep them all in one |
| 01:35.43 | herlo | kj4ohh: oh, I can probably do that part. Just make an #info for me |
| 01:35.53 | herlo | and then an #action so I'll do it |
| 01:36.25 | goosebot | Issue OPENED - gooseproject/main: #1778 (replace plymoth red boot progress bar with goose branded one) <https://github.com/gooseproject/main/issues/1778> |
| 01:36.41 | kj4ohh | #info need herlo to test installing the netinstall iso for GoOSe 6 RC3 |
| 01:37.10 | kj4ohh | #action need herlo to test installing the netinstall iso for GoOSe 6 RC3 |
| 01:37.12 | kj4ohh | ;) |
| 01:37.49 | goozbach | #info Testcase install repository DVD default passes |
| 01:38.42 | kj4ohh | virtualbox question how do you swap cd's? |
| 01:38.43 | kj4ohh | lol |
| 01:39.09 | goozbach | kj4ohh: little icon on the bottom of the screen |
| 01:39.11 | goozbach | looks like a cd |
| 01:39.16 | kj4ohh | #info conducting boot test on RC3 DVD ISO |
| 01:39.29 | kj4ohh | ah, it just occured to me, never had to do multi-cd on virtualbox lol |
| 01:39.32 | herlo | kj4ohh: no |
| 01:39.35 | herlo | #undo |
| 01:39.36 | goosebot | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Info object at 0x1b36950> |
| 01:39.37 | herlo | #undo |
| 01:39.38 | goosebot | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Info object at 0x1b74cd0> |
| 01:39.46 | herlo | kj4ohh: I need info from you saying what you did |
| 01:39.55 | herlo | and an action for me to do the NFS install :) |
| 01:39.59 | kj4ohh | ah |
| 01:40.03 | kj4ohh | roger |
| 01:40.16 | herlo | #undo |
| 01:40.16 | goosebot | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Action object at 0x1b74b50> |
| 01:40.40 | herlo | goozbach: mind if I do your info again? |
| 01:40.45 | herlo | #info Testcase install repository DVD default passes |
| 01:40.54 | kj4ohh | #info conducted boot test on GoOSe 6 RC3 netinstall, boot test passed and media test passed |
| 01:41.12 | herlo | kj4ohh: btw, was that on both x86_64 and i686? |
| 01:41.31 | goozbach | ohh, all of mine are only x86_64 |
| 01:41.32 | kj4ohh | I only saw x64 on the download section |
| 01:41.37 | kj4ohh | yeah |
| 01:42.14 | herlo | haha |
| 01:42.18 | herlo | there's a i386 |
| 01:42.27 | herlo | http://koji.gooselinux.org/releases/6/GoOSe/ |
| 01:42.37 | kj4ohh | #action herlo, I cannot currently test installing the netinstall ISO as I do not currently have an NFS server, can you test that for me? |
| 01:42.39 | herlo | er |
| 01:42.40 | herlo | http://koji.gooselinux.org/releases/6/GoOSe/ |
| 01:42.58 | herlo | kj4ohh: haha, that's a funny action |
| 01:43.10 | kj4ohh | ah I went to get.gooseproject.org, clicked on goose 6 then iso and only saw 64bit |
| 01:43.20 | herlo | ?? |
| 01:43.26 | herlo | you clicked on goose then 6? |
| 01:44.04 | kj4ohh | oh nevermind |
| 01:44.05 | kj4ohh | lol |
| 01:44.08 | kj4ohh | there is a 64bit dir |
| 01:44.12 | kj4ohh | then an iso inside of that |
| 01:44.19 | kj4ohh | then another 64bit dir |
| 01:44.29 | herlo | what link is that? |
| 01:44.31 | kj4ohh | iso dir I mean |
| 01:44.44 | herlo | oh, so only one 64 dir? |
| 01:44.52 | kj4ohh | http://koji.gooselinux.org/releases/6.0/Beta-RC3/GoOSe/ |
| 01:45.14 | herlo | right |
| 01:45.15 | kj4ohh | well now it looks normal |
| 01:45.30 | herlo | haha, okay |
| 01:45.33 | kj4ohh | is not feeling well, he can be ignored for the moment |
| 01:45.46 | herlo | not sure what you were seeing, but that is okay |
| 01:45.47 | kim27 | hmmm, did I download the right version... :0/ |
| 01:46.00 | kim27 | http://koji.gooselinux.org/releases/6/GoOSe/x86_64/iso/GoOSe-6-x86_64-DVD.iso |
| 01:46.02 | herlo | kim27: you are fine. There is only one Beta-RC3 |
| 01:46.14 | kj4ohh | ah I know where I tripped up |
| 01:46.14 | kim27 | I failed to go into the beta dir |
| 01:46.20 | kj4ohh | I was hitting back button on browser |
| 01:46.26 | herlo | kim27: it's okay, there's a symlink that points them to the same location |
| 01:46.29 | kj4ohh | not same as clicking parent dir |
| 01:46.47 | kim27 | herlo, thanks for confirming |
| 01:46.47 | kj4ohh | so my tests tonight will be for 64bit |
| 01:47.03 | herlo | kj4ohh: okay. Get the 32-bit one too though :) |
| 01:47.13 | kj4ohh | roger |
| 01:47.15 | herlo | and thanks for all the hard work |
| 01:48.31 | kj4ohh | virtualbox was also tripping me lol |
| 01:48.39 | goozbach | sadly I've got to head out guys. |
| 01:48.40 | kj4ohh | I think after you do the media check it ejects the disc |
| 01:48.56 | kj4ohh | so when it finishes the test and you try to install it says there is no disc |
| 01:49.02 | goozbach | herlo: wanna post the unfisnished tests to the list and I'll hit one or two of them at a time this week? |
| 01:49.10 | herlo | goozbach: sure |
| 01:49.15 | herlo | I don't think we have too many left |
| 01:49.19 | herlo | only just a couple |
| 01:49.30 | herlo | I can go through the meeting minutes and figure out which didn't get done |
| 01:49.46 | herlo | kim27: please let us know if you find any problems. :) |
| 01:49.47 | goozbach | kk |
| 01:49.54 | herlo | goozbach: wanna go to open floor now? |
| 01:49.57 | kim27 | herlo, will do, still waiting for my downloads to finish up |
| 01:50.05 | herlo | thinks the meeting is about done anyway. |
| 01:50.20 | herlo | notes both makfinsky and shalkie said they would join later on, but haven't yet :( |
| 01:50.30 | herlo | kim27: no problem. and thanks for trying it out... |
| 01:51.10 | kim27 | herlo, no problem |
| 01:51.19 | herlo | #topic open floor -- I think goozbach left |
| 01:51.19 | *** topic/#gooseproject by goosebot -> open floor -- I think goozbach left |
| 01:51.48 | herlo | kj4ohh: kim27: anything else you guys wanna discuss? If not, I'll close the meeting in 2 minutes. |
| 01:51.52 | goozbach | yah I'm out |
| 01:52.01 | herlo | goozbach: take care |
| 01:52.02 | goozbach | what's left for making this golden? |
| 01:52.19 | kj4ohh | #info boot test on 64bit DVD ISO passed, currently installing on virtualbox |
| 01:52.20 | herlo | these tests, and sign off from the team. |
| 01:52.21 | kim27 | herlo, I don't have anything |
| 01:52.40 | herlo | goozbach: ^^ |
| 01:53.20 | herlo | goozbach: and we need to have the qa tests run, explaining the missing/altered RPMs |
| 01:54.05 | herlo | k, closing the meeting. |
| 01:54.09 | herlo | Thanks everyone for coming! |
| 01:54.13 | herlo | #endmeeting |
| 01:54.17 | *** topic/#gooseproject by goosebot -> GoOSe Project - http://gooseproject.org | GoOSe 6.0 Beta RC3 is available - http://get.gooseproject.org/ |
| 01:54.18 | goosebot | GoOSeProject Meeting ended Wed Oct 24 01:54:13 2012 UTC. |
| 01:54.18 | goosebot | Minutes: http://admin.gooseproject.org/goosebot/logs/2012/2012-10-24-Meeting-gooseproject-0025.html |
| 01:54.18 | goosebot | Minutes (text): http://admin.gooseproject.org/goosebot/logs/2012/2012-10-24-Meeting-gooseproject-0025.txt |
| 01:54.18 | goosebot | Log: http://admin.gooseproject.org/goosebot/logs/2012/2012-10-24-Meeting-gooseproject-0025.log.html |
| 01:54.18 | goosebot | Thank you. |
| 01:54.18 | goosebot | sending meeting email |
| 01:56.21 | herlo | thank you, goosebot |
| 01:56.23 | herlo | :) |
| 01:56.45 | kj4ohh | just logged into newly install goose 6 rc-3 system! |
| 01:57.07 | kj4ohh | going to test 64bit cd install before calling it a night |
| 01:57.42 | kj4ohh | hash tags don't work after meeting closed right? |
| 01:58.38 | herlo | right |
| 01:58.49 | herlo | kj4ohh: just post here and I'll watch for it anyway |
| 01:58.54 | herlo | thanks again! |
| 01:58.57 | herlo | grabs dinner |
| 02:01.43 | *** join/#gooseproject bochecha (~mathieu@fedora/bochecha) |
| 02:26.39 | kj4ohh | herlo - all boot tests passed. I even installed, on both dvd and cd images for 64bit |
| 02:27.01 | kj4ohh | first time through I installed on low memory (512mb) which forced it to do text-only install |
| 02:27.13 | kj4ohh | then I bumped memory up to 2gb and did graphical install |
| 02:27.19 | kj4ohh | see you tomorrow! |
| 02:34.48 | herlo | thanks! |
| 02:45.04 | kim27 | herlo, both x86_64 and i386 DVDs pass the sha256sum and the self test. |
| 02:45.35 | kim27 | herlo, I did an install on both i686 and x86_64 and noticed that on reboot the disc is still in the drive for Virtualbox |
| 02:46.19 | kim27 | herlo, I believe on CentOS 6.3 this isn't a problem, but my memory could be fuzzy |
| 02:48.06 | kim27 | herlo, on firstboot when selecting ntp, it is currently point to redhat ntp servers. |
| 02:51.50 | shalkie | I am going to give it a try on QEMU and we will see if that is the case. |
| 02:52.00 | shalkie | notes that he was at a busy restaurant. |
| 02:54.26 | shalkie | Do we need CDs tested or are we good with DVD images? |
| 02:57.18 | shalkie | QEMU/KVM |
| 03:07.25 | shalkie | looks around for herlo |
| 03:08.42 | herlo | shalkie: a bit late |
| 03:09.27 | herlo | kim27: yeah, redhat servers are what we chose, but we'll eventually move to our own ntp pool |
| 03:09.57 | herlo | shalkie: we need both DVDs CDs and netinstall/boot.iso tested |
| 03:10.44 | kim27 | shalkie, are we missing any packages from the Redhat release? |
| 03:11.05 | herlo | kim27: I have a list of packages that we're missing compared to upstream |
| 03:11.16 | kim27 | herlo, is screen one of them? |
| 03:11.31 | kim27 | er.. do you have that list somewhere? |
| 03:11.40 | herlo | kim27: all of them are either proprietary or specific to upstream |
| 03:11.56 | herlo | kim27: you know, I ran into that too, I think screen should be in our distro, but it doesn't appear to be missing. |
| 03:12.10 | kim27 | herlo, I'm trying a kickstart script |
| 03:12.23 | herlo | kim27: cool |
| 03:12.24 | kim27 | herlo, I am also missing php-mysql |
| 03:13.00 | herlo | just completed minimal install |
| 03:13.06 | herlo | kim27: is that during install? |
| 03:13.12 | kim27 | herlo, yes |
| 03:13.12 | herlo | kim27: or is that from yum? |
| 03:13.18 | kim27 | during install |
| 03:13.36 | herlo | kim27: there's the 'GoOSe installation repo' or whatever in the repos list during the install |
| 03:13.48 | herlo | I think if you check that, you'll get those extra things. They are not part of the DVD iso |
| 03:14.21 | herlo | is checking to see if screen and php-mysql are available from the repo, however. |
| 03:14.25 | kim27 | herlo, so we are packaging the iso differently from CentOS? |
| 03:14.44 | herlo | possibly |
| 03:14.54 | herlo | kim27: we are following what is on the DVD for upstream |
| 03:14.59 | herlo | centos is *not* the upstream |
| 03:15.25 | kim27 | herlo, fair enough, I am not familiar with upstream as much. I use CentOS on a daily basis |
| 03:15.34 | herlo | kim27: it's also possible I need to add more options |
| 03:15.50 | herlo | kim27: indeed. That may be the direction we need to go |
| 03:18.22 | herlo | kim27: http://sexysexypenguins.com/misc/GoOSe-64-vm.png |
| 03:18.54 | kim27 | herlo, have you had any problems with anaconda crashing? |
| 03:20.16 | herlo | kim27: nope |
| 03:20.23 | herlo | kim27: did it crash for you? |
| 03:20.42 | kim27 | herlo, yeah, my kickstart is trying to modify the timezone settings and it says that it is a read only filesystem |
| 03:21.15 | herlo | odd |
| 03:21.25 | herlo | says what is a read-only fs? |
| 03:21.31 | kim27 | herlo, Read-only file system: '/mnt/sysimage/etc/localtime' |
| 03:21.34 | herlo | I have modified timezones successfully |
| 03:21.53 | herlo | kim27: that is odd, wanna post your kickstart? I can try it out... |
| 03:22.23 | herlo | shalkie: let me know if you need any help. |
| 03:23.52 | kim27 | herlo, unfortunately, I can't, but lemme try and track down where it is having a problem. I think it might actually be in a package I am installing |
| 03:23.54 | shalkie | Hmmm... Yeah, I will. right now I am just trying a netinstall. I hit a hiccup, but that could be something I did. |
| 03:23.57 | shalkie | Checking right now. |
| 03:24.23 | kim27 | shalkie, I had a hiccup when doing the kickstart where the i386 didn't detect the network until I shutdown and started over |
| 03:24.26 | herlo | kim27: okay. |
| 03:24.42 | herlo | kim27: can you pastebin it? |
| 03:25.08 | herlo | like paste.stg.fedoraproject.org could work, just a simple copy/pasta operation |
| 03:25.29 | kim27 | herlo, it might be in a custom rpm |
| 03:25.35 | shalkie | kim27 that sounds similiar. |
| 03:25.56 | herlo | kim27: sure, okay. I can just do a kickstart from a default one... |
| 03:28.02 | herlo | kim27: the kickstart is all I was asking for, sorry for any confusion. :) |
| 03:28.23 | kim27 | herlo, it is a little more complicated than a timezone setting... |
| 03:28.40 | herlo | kim27: oh, sure. I was just thinking I could test it here too :) |
| 03:29.50 | kim27 | herlo, http://paste.stg.fedoraproject.org/1205/ |
| 03:29.53 | kim27 | that is the kickstart roughly |
| 03:30.43 | herlo | oh, cool. Thx |
| 03:31.15 | herlo | kim27: you are in Boise? |
| 03:31.25 | kim27 | herlo, no, Orem |
| 03:31.41 | herlo | kim27: oh, I think we discussed this :) |
| 03:31.44 | kim27 | herlo, I am getting the rpm detail that may have caused some issues |
| 03:31.46 | herlo | uses America/Denver |
| 03:32.01 | kim27 | uses America/Denver except this kickstart script for some weird reason |
| 03:32.07 | herlo | kim27: oh, okay. You can add repo in your kickstart to help btw |
| 03:32.20 | herlo | kim27: haha, I see. |
| 03:33.30 | kim27 | herlo, looking for weird rpm that may have caused issue |
| 03:34.22 | herlo | kim27: something like this: http://paste.stg.fedoraproject.org/1206/ |
| 03:34.27 | herlo | kim27: k, let me know. |
| 03:35.22 | kim27 | herlo, yeah, that would help with the missing packages |
| 03:35.40 | herlo | :) |
| 03:36.58 | kim27 | herlo, so the weird rpm does this.. http://paste.stg.fedoraproject.org/1207/ |
| 03:37.19 | herlo | yeah, that's not going to work |
| 03:37.24 | herlo | what rpm is that? Something custom? |
| 03:37.31 | kim27 | herlo, yeah, it is a custom rpm |
| 03:37.36 | herlo | fix it! :) |
| 03:37.44 | kim27 | but long story short, without the rpm it installs correctly |
| 03:37.48 | herlo | cool |
| 03:38.03 | kim27 | herlo, the behavior is different between Centos 6.3 and GoOSe which is why I mentioned it |
| 03:38.23 | kim27 | herlo, any reason that isn't going to work? |
| 03:38.44 | herlo | kim27: hmm, really? |
| 03:39.08 | herlo | well, I'm wondering if it was a bug in CentOS 6.0. We are not to 6.3 yet |
| 03:39.14 | kim27 | herlo, possible |
| 03:39.25 | herlo | I guess I shouldn't say it shouldn't work |
| 03:39.29 | kim27 | herlo, so kickstart script works though |
| 03:39.31 | herlo | goes to look at something |
| 03:39.40 | kim27 | herlo, KDE install works on x86_64 |
| 03:39.47 | kim27 | herlo, gnome install works on i386 |
| 03:40.57 | herlo | rocking |
| 03:42.00 | kim27 | herlo, not sure cause I don't use KDE much, but is the root folder in dolphin supposed to be red, or did you want to theme that? |
| 03:42.01 | herlo | kim27: I just noticed on my vm that the alternate consoles do not work properly |
| 03:42.28 | herlo | kim27: the idea there is that you aren't supposed to login to a desktop as root |
| 03:42.54 | kim27 | herlo: root "file system" |
| 03:43.00 | kim27 | I guess dolphin calls it root |
| 03:43.01 | herlo | shalkie: when doing an install, can you try ctrl+alt+f{2,3,4,5} ?? |
| 03:43.15 | kim27 | herlo, works for me |
| 03:43.19 | herlo | kim27: I don't use kde, so it shoudl be whatever upstream did. |
| 03:43.36 | herlo | kim27: the alt+Fn keys work for you? |
| 03:43.50 | kim27 | herlo, the work for sure when I have no gui |
| 03:43.57 | kim27 | herlo, are you using virtualbox? |
| 03:43.59 | herlo | hmm, I'm doing a gui |
| 03:44.03 | herlo | no, kvm |
| 03:44.07 | shalkie | I have been switching using alt-< and alt-> arrows. |
| 03:44.10 | herlo | isn't a big vbox user |
| 03:44.21 | herlo | shalkie: text only install? |
| 03:44.59 | shalkie | I am apparently having issues, all my big hands faults so far, and haven't found NFS server yet. |
| 03:45.36 | herlo | shalkie: what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? |
| 03:46.15 | kim27 | shalkie, you can also use an http server to do a net install |
| 03:46.27 | herlo | kim27: but there's a test for NFS specific install |
| 03:46.37 | kim27 | herlo, fair enough ^_^ |
| 03:46.52 | herlo | guesses that shalkie is trying to do that... |
| 03:47.58 | kim27 | thinks configuring nfs is not fun |
| 03:48.15 | herlo | haha, I guess... |
| 03:48.30 | shalkie | I am. |
| 03:48.31 | kim27 | herlo, great work you guys |
| 03:48.49 | kim27 | herlo, I guess I really haven't found any *real* issues with the release so far |
| 03:49.20 | shalkie | Terminals seem to be present, but I haven't gotten to stage2.img so there is not bash on tty2 and no commands invoked by python for output on tty5. |
| 03:50.54 | kim27 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:52.54 | kim27 | herlo, yeah, I confirmed that the install works under CentOS 6.2 with that weird rpm. |
| 03:53.09 | kim27 | herlo, so it may just be a Redhat 6.0 bug |
| 03:54.36 | shalkie | argh. |
| 03:55.24 | herlo | kim27: I'll dig into it, mind filing an issue for me? |
| 03:56.05 | herlo | https://github.com/gooseproject/main/issues |
| 03:57.13 | kim27 | herlo, ha ha, that was the link I scrolled way up looking for |
| 03:58.21 | herlo | sorry :/ |
| 03:58.45 | herlo | thanks for your help for sure, it's awesome! |
| 04:01.03 | goosebot | Issue OPENED - gooseproject/main: #1779 (When doing a kickstart script install, a package that modifies the timezone may cause anaconda to crash.) <https://github.com/gooseproject/main/issues/1779> |
| 04:01.39 | herlo | is trying to figure out how the 'GoOSe Linux 6 repository' came to be in the anaconda. |
| 04:04.50 | shalkie | herlo: On a side note: You thinking about getting in on the new SLC Transistor location? |
| 04:09.55 | herlo | no |
| 04:22.36 | kim27 | herlo, I didn't find any tickets on a similar issue |
| 04:23.05 | kim27 | herlo, I did a few searches here https://bugzilla.redhat.com for #1779 |
| 04:23.09 | herlo | kim27: right, thanks though |
| 04:23.39 | herlo | kim27: I'm digging through anaconda code right now, in fact. |
| 04:23.41 | kim27 | herlo, was hoping it was as simple as, oh hey, this was problem on xyz date, and now it is fixed |
| 04:23.58 | herlo | is trying to find something else, though. |
| 04:29.15 | herlo | kim27: so I have a question about 1779 |
| 04:29.36 | kim27 | herlo27, yes? |
| 04:29.49 | herlo | why does this package modify /etc/localtime? |
| 04:30.24 | herlo | when anaconda does this, it seems that it's set in a configurable item, then applied on boot or something. |
| 04:30.49 | kim27 | herlo, it was the fastest solution to some code that could use a bit of clean up |
| 04:31.02 | kim27 | herlo, the problem occurs when the package is not installed via a kickstart script |
| 04:31.28 | kim27 | if the system timezone doesn't match the application's timezone, misleading information can be generated |
| 04:31.40 | kim27 | herlo, basically causing a work storm to occur |
| 04:31.51 | herlo | so, the application *forces* a timezone change? |
| 04:31.55 | kim27 | herlo, the proper solution would be to fix it so the timzones can mismatch |
| 04:32.01 | kim27 | herlo, basically |
| 04:32.25 | herlo | even though it could mean that it's set in anaconda and then changed right back... |
| 04:32.54 | herlo | okay, thanks |
| 04:33.16 | kim27 | herlo, I bet anaconda's behavior changed, because in the later release the timzone is set correctly |
| 04:33.33 | herlo | maybe |
| 04:33.40 | kim27 | or silently handles the error |
| 04:34.05 | kim27 | herlo, the bigger concern is if the filesystem for some reason is considered "read only". Seems like a weird error message to me |
| 04:34.17 | herlo | kim27: yeah... |
| 04:34.37 | herlo | performing a text install now to see if I can tinker |
| 04:36.12 | kim27 | herlo, I'm downloading CentOS 6.0 install disc to see if I can repeat the issue |
| 04:36.25 | kim27 | herlo, if so then we can invalidate the ticket as resolved up stream. |
| 04:38.41 | herlo | true that |
| 04:38.43 | herlo | thanks! |
| 04:38.50 | herlo | I'm still digging, either way. |
| 04:42.51 | kim27 | herlo, this indicates even if the crude timzone change is being made it should be a copy, not a sym link. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=91228 |
| 04:43.15 | kim27 | will fix the timezone change tomorrow |
| 04:43.56 | herlo | interesting |
| 04:45.32 | herlo | kim27: I've always done symlinks |
| 04:45.44 | herlo | that's like RHL 9, not even RHEL |
| 04:49.30 | kim27 | herlo: http://paste.stg.fedoraproject.org/1208/ |
| 04:50.40 | kim27 | herlo, figured the trace might be helpful as I wait for the centos download |
| 04:50.52 | herlo | yes |
| 04:50.59 | herlo | but I'm not able to replicate it so far |
| 04:52.28 | herlo | yeah, I can't replicate it by hand. Will have to try with an rpm that does that in the post. |
| 04:52.41 | herlo | kim27: does the RPM require tzdata? |
| 04:52.55 | herlo | I'm wondering if it's trying to remove a file that doesn't exist |
| 04:53.32 | kim27 | the rpm suceeds in making the link to UTC |
| 04:53.40 | kim27 | also line 3414 Installing tzdata-2010l-1.gl6.noarch |
| 04:54.18 | kim27 | line 3831: Installing example-0.8-1.el6.x86_64 |
| 04:54.24 | herlo | oh, example is your rpm? |
| 04:54.33 | kim27 | herlo, renamed it |
| 04:54.37 | herlo | or at least, the renamed version :) |
| 04:54.42 | herlo | yeah, makes sense |
| 04:55.15 | herlo | will have to do a kickstart and include an extra rpm that does what yours does to see if he can replicate it. |
| 04:55.33 | herlo | because I have done most of it and it's not having the same problem |
| 04:55.51 | kim27 | herlo, so I think the problem may be a chroot issue |
| 04:56.15 | herlo | yeah |
| 04:56.33 | kim27 | so the sym links points to /usr/share/zoneinfo/UTC |
| 04:56.34 | herlo | are you doing %post --chroot? |
| 04:56.41 | kim27 | herlo, no |
| 04:56.51 | herlo | it might need to point to /mnt/sysimage/usr/share/zoneinfo/UTC |
| 04:57.05 | herlo | kim27: er --nochroot, rather |
| 04:57.08 | kim27 | herlo, yes and no |
| 04:57.20 | kim27 | on reboot the symlink is correct |
| 04:57.36 | kim27 | anaconda is operating outside of the chroot |
| 04:57.53 | kim27 | while my package was inside of chroot |
| 04:57.55 | herlo | the kickstart doesn't, unless you tell it to |
| 04:58.08 | herlo | yeah, that's odd |
| 04:59.20 | kim27 | herlo, my guess is that the timezone setting inside of anaconda is happening at a different time in later versions, the newer version catches the error, or finally, the newer version isn't even trying to set it |
| 05:01.08 | herlo | could be, I don't know where anaconda does that work. I do know that with pungi, it's all on the DVD, so you could find out by digging through that code. |
| 05:03.17 | herlo | kim27: keep in mind, we're hoping to move through updates next, once we get this release out the door. :) |
| 05:03.35 | herlo | which there are two more updates |
| 05:03.36 | kim27 | herlo, hence the reason I am going to see if CentOS 6.0 had the same problem |
| 05:03.57 | kim27 | herlo, 10 minutes for the download to finihs |
| 05:04.10 | kim27 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:04.15 | herlo | and at least one would be an update to 6.0, before 6.1 :) |
| 05:04.18 | herlo | kim27: aye. |
| 05:05.02 | kim27 | herlo, but I did learn, copy, no symlink the localtime |
| 05:05.08 | herlo | :) |
| 05:05.19 | herlo | this stuff is always good that way |
| 05:05.26 | kim27 | herlo, and I outta make the kickstart agree with the rpm at least |
| 05:06.31 | shalkie | Nights |
| 05:06.40 | herlo | aye |
| 05:06.47 | kim27 | shalkie, night |
| 05:07.05 | herlo | shalkie: sleep is for wimps :) |
| 05:07.27 | shalkie | Today, I cop to wimp. :-) |
| 05:07.39 | herlo | lol |
| 05:08.07 | kim27 | really kicks the llamas a... |
| 05:08.15 | herlo | lol, winamp! |
| 05:08.40 | kim27 | hmmm wimp == winamp == bedtime shortly here. |
| 05:08.58 | herlo | kim27: haha, okay |
| 05:09.13 | kim27 | herlo, gonna do this install. I've only got 4 minutes left |
| 05:09.30 | herlo | kim27: yeah, no worries |
| 05:09.56 | kim27 | herlo, I've been up since like 1 or 2, can't recall which of them |
| 05:11.05 | herlo | dedicated soul |
| 05:11.33 | kim27 | herlo, I think it is called OCD |
| 05:11.51 | kim27 | and what happens when you take the wrong herbal tea at one in the morning |
| 05:11.52 | herlo | haha, that doo |
| 05:11.59 | herlo | oh, boy! |
| 05:12.21 | kim27 | herlo, yeah, I was so wired. |
| 05:13.02 | kim27 | herlo, but year, this problem we stumbled across is related to my day job, so I figure it is worth looking into |
| 05:14.57 | kim27 | herlo, install is kicked off, now to wait |
| 05:15.04 | herlo | cool |
| 05:16.55 | kim27 | too bad it doesn't happen until the end of the install, but kickstart scripts are awesome because there is very little I have to do |
| 05:17.38 | herlo | yep |
| 05:17.40 | herlo | love 'em |
| 05:20.34 | kim27 | 475 of 476 |
| 05:22.02 | kim27 | herlo, are you ready for the news? |
| 05:22.35 | herlo | yes |
| 05:22.44 | kim27 | herlo, 6.0 just sucks |
| 05:22.48 | kim27 | ditch it as soon as you can |
| 05:22.51 | herlo | lol |
| 05:22.58 | herlo | kim27: did it fail on centos too? |
| 05:23.05 | kim27 | herlo, sure did |
| 05:23.09 | herlo | cool! |
| 05:23.17 | herlo | is happy to ditch 6.0 soonish |
| 05:23.24 | herlo | just gotta build all the updates |
| 05:23.35 | herlo | :) |
| 05:23.35 | herlo | thanks for testing! |
| 05:24.02 | kim27 | no problem |
| 05:24.11 | kim27 | might recommend picking up a centos 6.0 copy for testing ;-) |
| 05:24.37 | kim27 | http://vault.centos.org/6.0/isos/x86_64/ |
| 05:27.58 | kim27 | herlo, night |
| 05:30.21 | herlo | night |
| 05:30.46 | herlo | kim27: yeah, maybe for comparison, it might be a good idear |
| 05:30.52 | herlo | heads to bed |
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| 12:12.11 | makfinsky | GoOSe morning, and doh! |
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| 16:31.12 | herlo | makfinsky: GoOSe! |
| 16:31.24 | herlo | morning all |
| 16:31.27 | herlo | :) |
| 17:11.09 | shalkie | Morning. |
| 17:24.40 | makfinsky | Hayea! |
| 20:01.02 | kim27 | Morning all |
| 21:14.54 | Gate | afternoon |
| 22:29.12 | herlo | hi there |
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| 23:14.28 | kj4ohh | howdy |
| 23:16.22 | herlo | well, ain't this fun! :) |
| 23:17.37 | kj4ohh | is there any way to have like an irc proxy like I can run on my server so when I'm not on irc I can see chat traffic while I'm gone? |
| 23:17.46 | kj4ohh | I don't idle in irc on my laptop like I do on my desktop |
| 23:18.14 | kj4ohh | just checked i386 isos and sha256sum passed |
| 23:19.33 | herlo | yes |
| 23:19.44 | herlo | kj4ohh: rocking |
| 23:20.08 | herlo | kj4ohh: there's a proxy called dircproxy. If you are using irssi, I know one is built in, though I've not used it ever. |
| 23:22.20 | kj4ohh | checkisomd5 on the 386 ISOs passed as well |
| 23:27.13 | kj4ohh | there is no way of doing inplace upgrade on yum right? |
| 23:27.18 | kj4ohh | no apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:27.29 | kj4ohh | I just did a yum update and all it downloaded was goose-logos |
| 23:27.50 | kj4ohh | I belive I have goose RC2 loaded on home server |
| 23:27.55 | kj4ohh | lives on the bleeding edge |
| 23:29.51 | herlo | kj4ohh: you can do an inplace upgrade |
| 23:30.31 | herlo | kj4ohh: the updates should just happen when you type 'yum update'. This is assuming you have the right repository config. |
| 23:31.53 | kj4ohh | ah |
| 23:32.13 | kj4ohh | just install dircproxy on server, looking at config |
| 23:32.21 | kj4ohh | let me check repos |
| 23:34.35 | kj4ohh | herlo: http://paste.stg.fedoraproject.org/1237/ |
| 23:42.49 | herlo | kj4ohh: should work |
| 23:42.57 | herlo | you only needed to show me the GoOSe repo :) |
| 23:46.12 | kj4ohh | and only need to do yum update? |
| 23:54.53 | herlo | yes |
| 23:55.25 | kj4ohh | hmmm, yep it only updated goose logos |
| 23:56.29 | herlo | yum list which |
| 23:56.33 | herlo | what is the output of that? |
| 23:56.55 | kj4ohh | yum list which |
| 23:56.55 | kj4ohh | Installed Packages |
| 23:56.55 | kj4ohh | which.x86_64 2.19-5.2.gl6 @anaconda-GoOSe-201205061000.x86_64/6.0 |
| 23:56.55 | kj4ohh | [root@stargate etc]# |
| 23:57.06 | herlo | oh, right |
| 23:57.26 | herlo | kj4ohh: hang on |
| 23:58.28 | herlo | yum list which --showduplicates |
| 23:58.47 | herlo | kj4ohh: try that one |
| 23:59.01 | kj4ohh | Installed Packages |
| 23:59.01 | kj4ohh | which.x86_64 2.19-5.2.gl6 @anaconda-GoOSe-201205061000.x86_64/6.0 |
| 23:59.01 | kj4ohh | Available Packages |
| 23:59.01 | kj4ohh | which.x86_64 2.19-5.1.gl6 GoOSe |
| 23:59.03 | herlo | actually has to go shortly |
| 23:59.29 | herlo | you may have already updated to the latest though |
| 23:59.52 | kj4ohh | haven't updated in a long time unless there was an auto-update option, don't remember |
