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| 09:48.36 | gregj | vagarwal: AI, loads of neurons that need to fire at the sme time :)( |
| 09:48.55 | gregj | wethrin: *sad face* |
| 09:49.26 | gregj | wethrin: I need a friend to sign my citizenship application, you are high on my list of people who could have done it :-) |
| 09:57.05 | wethrin | gregj: Come visit Durham! :-) |
| 09:57.51 | gregj | wethrin: I drove through once, few weeks ago. |
| 09:58.03 | wethrin | You didn't stop :( |
| 09:58.09 | gregj | nope :( |
| 09:58.11 | wethrin | Boo! |
| 09:58.18 | wethrin | There's some airfields around here too |
| 09:58.29 | gregj | it was sometimes in august |
| 09:58.39 | gregj | and I drove by, didn't fly |
| 09:58.47 | gregj | teeside ? |
| 09:58.48 | wethrin | I was around, unless it was the first week |
| 10:00.46 | gregj | wethrin: it was the first week :-) The car was goign past its birth place |
| 10:01.19 | wethrin | Nissan Leaf? |
| 10:01.40 | gregj | yes |
| 10:02.04 | gregj | I drove all the way to Edinburgh, to meet up with friends that evening - so I wasn't stopping much on the way |
| 10:02.34 | wethrin | I wouldn't mind having an electric car, except they don't make any large enough to do what I need |
| 10:05.04 | gregj | NV200e ? |
| 10:05.11 | gregj | an electric van :-) |
| 10:05.21 | gregj | you can get electric luton van too |
| 10:05.38 | gregj | there's seriously no sane reason to buy non-electric cars these days |
| 10:06.29 | wethrin | Other than money? |
| 10:07.36 | gregj | it's a case of spending more now, or more over time to maintain the thing :-) |
| 10:08.04 | wethrin | Yes. But it's easier to spend more over time, because one usually has a regular income |
| 10:09.14 | wethrin | Mmm, I sometimes need more seats than the van offers :) |
| 10:09.30 | gregj | you need a train :-) |
| 10:09.37 | gregj | or a bus |
| 10:09.41 | wethrin | Yes :) |
| 10:09.53 | gregj | http://www.byd.com/la/auto/ebus.html |
| 10:09.55 | wethrin | What range do you get on your Leaf before needing to recharge? |
| 10:10.14 | gregj | about 100miles |
| 10:10.27 | gregj | depends if I drive on fast road (60miles ph or more) |
| 10:10.30 | gregj | or citi drive |
| 10:10.37 | gregj | citee |
| 10:10.47 | gregj | ceetee |
| 10:10.49 | gregj | :P |
| 10:10.52 | wethrin | C. T. |
| 10:11.20 | gregj | probably about 80 miles on motorway if I push it, or 90 at 40-50mph |
| 10:11.35 | gregj | and before you say anything, your average speed isn't what you think it is ;-) |
| 10:12.04 | gregj | my avg speed arund city is in region of 15-17mph, on cross country trips about 40-50 mph, even ifI drive on motorway |
| 10:12.07 | wethrin | Depends where you measure it ;-) |
| 10:12.13 | gregj | in the car :P |
| 10:12.16 | wethrin | Hah |
| 10:12.30 | wethrin | Average speed on motorway is different to average speed from home to destination |
| 10:12.56 | wethrin | I seem to average about 30-35mph on all my driving. Even though a lot is on fast roads |
| 10:13.37 | gregj | that'swhat I mean, avg speed from A->B |
| 10:14.07 | gregj | I've learned to value relaxed drives and pace as I got older, so EV suits me |
| 10:14.20 | gregj | of course if I splashed out on a tesla, I wouldn't have to stop for 300 miles at the time |
| 10:14.46 | wethrin | I'd love a Tesla |
| 10:14.56 | gregj | alreadt got my deposit on model 3 |
| 10:15.01 | wethrin | Hurrah |
| 10:15.12 | gregj | so come 2018, I should have a model 3 |
| 10:15.35 | gregj | the other thing about EVs is that once you've driven one enough, any ICE car seems just way too noisy and smelly |
| 10:16.10 | wethrin | I'd be a bit more worried about a 100 mile range if I'm going a lot off the main roads |
| 10:17.03 | wethrin | also, I don't have any easy way to have a charge point at home |
| 10:17.18 | gregj | would you buy a phone that can only be charged at designated points ? |
| 10:17.33 | gregj | if you got a 3 pin plug, you can charge :-) |
| 10:17.44 | wethrin | Except maybe mounting an external socket to the house, but then it'd run the cable across the footpath |
| 10:17.50 | gregj | there's more electric charging points then petrol garages, just because of that |
| 10:18.02 | gregj | wethrin: there's profesionals who can do that for you :-) |
| 10:18.17 | wethrin | They cost money ;-) |
| 10:18.22 | gregj | they are called electritians, new type of job, only came about because of EVs |
| 10:18.43 | wethrin | But also, running cable across a footpath is likely to be frowned upon |
| 10:18.53 | wethrin | and the only off-road parking is on the other side of the street |
| 10:20.04 | gregj | again, if you have EV, your council/landlord is required to provide you with a charging spot. Lookup charge-master or PodPoint, and variuos other companies that do these things. |
| 10:20.22 | gregj | in our case, we just drop the cable through the window down to the ground floor |
| 10:20.35 | gregj | but I don't have to charge at home often, there's plenty public chargers about |
| 10:22.56 | gregj | nissan is apparently about to release longer range Leaf next year. So the rumour says. Its' suppose to have 43kwh battery, or something like that. Mine's 30kwh |
| 10:25.40 | wethrin | So about 50% longer run |
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| 10:41.39 | gregj | 43% :P |
| 11:23.01 | wethrin | Battery technology may have improved :-P |
| 11:34.42 | morsing | wethrin: Any experience with talon lighters for fireworks? |
| 11:34.49 | wethrin | Nope, none at all |
| 11:43.44 | morsing | They sound like fun though |
| 11:58.17 | vagarwal | gregj: how much deposit is required towards tesla model 3? just want to get an idea |
| 13:19.32 | gregj | £1000 |
| 13:20.35 | gregj | wethrin: it improves all the time, which is why I wouldn't buy something like nissan leaf out right, but rather lease. It makes sense to buy Tesla, because they are a luxury EV. They regularly beat all other makes in customer stats |
| 13:22.25 | gregj | oh, and you have Renault Zoe, 41Kwh battery - prices start from £18k |
| 13:22.32 | gregj | for a brand new car. Please.. |
| 13:46.50 | morsing | gregj: Except no-one to get them repaired or serviced |
| 13:46.54 | morsing | no-where |
| 14:57.48 | gregj | because you don't need to touch them much. Instead of big complicated engine, you have a motor size of a melon, that Nisan - at least - gives you a guarantee for 100k miles |
| 14:58.05 | gregj | no oil to change, no sparkplugs, etc, etc etc |
| 15:07.24 | wethrin | No gears/clutch either? |
| 15:29.02 | ChoHag | None that the driver can get at I expect. |
| 15:37.03 | wethrin | I guess it'd take some getting used to - just press the accelerator until you get to the speed you want |
| 15:38.12 | gregj | there's no gearbox |
| 15:38.26 | gregj | engine is attached to the reduction mechanism, whcih is attached directly to the wheels |
| 15:38.52 | gregj | it's a motor, not an engine, it turns opposite direction for reverse, and it turns into generator when you are slowing down/braking |
| 15:39.05 | gregj | which leads to far better brake disk/pads lifespan too |
| 15:39.28 | gregj | I've done nearly 11k in mine now, and brakes are still pretty much as new |
| 15:39.57 | gregj | Did I mention that EVs go like stink ? All torque available pretty much throughout the RPM range equally. |
| 15:40.26 | gregj | only after you drove one, you realise that even the fastest ICE in the world has massive lag in the throttle response |
| 15:42.25 | gregj | Nissan garages will let you test drive one,and then possibly take one for test over span of day or two. I highly recommend asking about it, even if ou don't want to buy it. |
| 15:57.28 | wethrin | I drove a Mercedes C class (automatic) once. It had about 2 second lag between pressing the pedal and the car reacting |
| 15:57.58 | wethrin | Which seems rather dangerous |
| 16:06.01 | gregj | yes, but most automatic have a "sports" mode - that decreases this to about 0.1s, whcih I notice too - but you probably wouldn't |
| 16:06.34 | gregj | I can literally think to do smoething, and don't have to take into account the fact that I have to depress clutch, change gear, wait for engine to develop some power, etc, etc. |
| 16:06.53 | gregj | Because electric motors have so much torque - you just have to be carefull not to spin tires as you slam the pedal |
| 16:07.08 | morsing | wethrin: Nothing to do with auto. What year was it? |
| 16:07.16 | gregj | number of idiots in bmws and audis, and other wanky cars that I left in the dust at the lights.. |
| 16:07.17 | morsing | Manual sucks to much it's painful |
| 16:07.28 | gregj | yup |
| 16:09.04 | ChoHag | ... in ideal conditions. |
| 16:10.47 | gregj | everyone thinks that I drive slow because its an EV. I drive slow, becaues I have respect for the power this car has. |
| 16:35.20 | wethrin | morsing: I can't remember. And you're right, I have driven autos that respond. It was just a crap car |
| 16:35.28 | wethrin | And I still don't like autos |
| 16:36.08 | wethrin | I've seen videos of people buying a Tesla, and immediately crashing them into a wall |
| 20:02.21 | morsing | wethrin: I had a Mercedes E-class hire car around 2003 and it was shit. They had some sort of "smooth" throttling thing that delayed all pedal movement |
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