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| 08:43.54 | ChoHag | "So no, I'm not required to be able to lift objects weighing up to fifty pounds. I traded that for the opportunity to trim Satan's pubic hair while he dines out of my open skull so a few bits of the internet will continue to work for a few more days." |
| 08:44.20 | wethrin | that programming rant has gone nicely viral |
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| 08:45.21 | ChoHag | Hah! |
| 08:48.34 | ChoHag | But this kid calling himself a prodigy |
| 08:48.34 | ChoHag | is a clear indication of way too many |
| 08:48.35 | ChoHag | gold stars handed out for adequacy |
| 08:53.02 | wethrin | The one who wrote that? |
| 08:53.28 | wethrin | It's reasonable to embellish a bit when writing a rant. And I think the author is a parent, aren't they? |
| 08:53.37 | wethrin | (or am I confusing with a different rant?) |
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| 09:16.25 | ChoHag | The latter is from the comments of the former. |
| 09:16.30 | ChoHag | Ranting about a colleague. |
| 09:26.45 | wethrin | ah |
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| 11:14.09 | ChoHag | Further to the retardedness I discovered yesterday re. Oracle (and probably redhat) and their package signing key, yum -y will happily automatically trust keys it's freshly downloaded. Via http. |
| 11:14.55 | ChoHag | Did they look at apt and just do everything the opposite way? |
| 11:15.41 | ChoHag | And for that matter, where *is* the trustdb? |
| 11:15.52 | ChoHag | I mean it's not like it's an important file I might want to protect in some way. |
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| 13:22.08 | dick_turpin | morsing: What's occurring? |
| 13:33.00 | ChoHag | I was ranting about oracle and yum. |
| 13:33.04 | ChoHag | What's occuring with you? |
| 14:35.09 | ChoHag | Why does /etc/init.d/mysqld start fail while bash -x /etc/init.d/mysqld start works? |
| 14:36.29 | ChoHag | Actually the -x makes no difference. |
| 14:37.03 | ChoHag | But this seems quite consistent. With datadir empty, "/etc/init.d/mysqld start" fails and "bash /etc/init.d/mysqld start" succeeds. |
| 14:54.38 | wethrin | execute bit on the script? |
| 14:56.08 | ChoHag | If you were physically here, you'd be getting a 'look' right now. |
| 14:56.29 | wethrin | You didn't specify a failure mechanism |
| 15:05.48 | ChoHag | Oddly, it's the mysql_install_db call which fails due to its inability to write to /mysql |
| 15:05.55 | ChoHag | Which it has permission to do. |
| 15:06.24 | ChoHag | It appears to be selinux |
| 15:06.55 | ChoHag | The fact that this script can defeat selinux doesn't enamour me of its quality: |
| 15:07.12 | ChoHag | [root@cksfsdb202 ~]# cat /etc/init.d/mysql |
| 15:07.12 | ChoHag | #!/bin/sh |
| 15:07.12 | ChoHag | exec bash /etc/init.d/mysqld "$@" |
| 15:26.47 | wethrin | selinux sucks |
| 15:27.07 | ChoHag | #selinux: |
| 15:27.25 | ChoHag | 16:26 < tfirg> its a design decision |
| 15:27.25 | ChoHag | 16:26 < ChoHag> Brokenness? |
| 15:27.25 | ChoHag | 16:27 < tfirg> i wouldnt call it that |
| 15:33.07 | wethrin | You shouldn't have two different outcomes |
| 15:33.28 | wethrin | it's an unexpected result, and therefore a failure |
| 15:34.18 | ChoHag | They did the dev thing of blaming redhat. |
| 15:34.47 | ChoHag | So I declared it a waste of my time and left. |
| 15:34.54 | ChoHag | Easier to just disable selinux like a normal person. |
| 15:39.11 | wethrin | yep |
| 15:39.22 | wethrin | Linux troubleshooting, step 0: Disable selinux |
| 15:44.21 | dick_turpin | setenforce 0 |
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| 19:52.55 | ChoHag | <Microsoft> We take a huge amount of pride that, among widely used browsers, IE is the safest in the world |
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| 21:56.13 | gregj | ahaha |
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