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| 06:22.28 | morsing | Ermm... IS there anything dodgy about an ibm.co/ url? |
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| 10:06.07 | morsing | chrisp! |
| 11:04.17 | morsing | Does anyone here use wxPython? |
| 11:31.52 | gregj | wx is crap, python or not, not recommended |
| 11:35.03 | morsing | LOL :-) |
| 11:35.25 | morsing | gregj: Any recommendations? |
| 11:35.34 | morsing | Don't say TkInter |
| 11:38.35 | gregj | qt ? |
| 11:38.44 | gregj | tk is worse |
| 11:39.18 | gregj | in gerenarl, use native frameworks, anything else is not recommended |
| 11:40.14 | gregj | wx is not really great, unless it is some sort of a simple utility |
| 11:40.32 | Elleo | Qt is a bit iffy for python unless you're either happy sticking with Qt4 or licensing under the GPL (or buying a license) |
| 11:40.59 | Elleo | as due to Nokia's implosion pyside isn't being updated to Qt5, and PyQt is GPL or commercial only |
| 11:41.11 | Elleo | there is PyOtherSide, but that's only useful if you're doing QML based stuff |
| 11:41.29 | gregj | that licencing is always been there, that's general Qt licencing terms, nothing's changed there |
| 11:41.50 | Elleo | gregj: nah, Qt has been under the LGPL for a while now |
| 11:42.08 | Elleo | it's only PyQt that's GPL/commercial only still |
| 11:42.24 | gregj | is that part of the agreement that they had with 'community', being in there in case of a buy out |
| 11:42.38 | Elleo | and PySide is LGPL, but not being updated |
| 11:42.38 | gregj | it is a bit of an unfortunate fuck up that nokia is now microsoft |
| 11:42.54 | gregj | I'm still technically KDE developer, but I haven't been following it for a while |
| 11:43.39 | Elleo | I'm not sure the circumstances of the relicensing, it was a little while back though |
| 11:43.54 | Elleo | not sure if it happened at the time Nokia bought Trolltech or what |
| 11:44.20 | Elleo | it certainly happened long before the transition to Digia though |
| 11:44.39 | gregj | trolltech had an agreement, escrow in place |
| 11:44.55 | gregj | which was that in case of a buy out, the qt will be released on free opensource licence (i.e. not GPL) |
| 11:45.13 | gregj | so that community could fork it, if they wanted to |
| 11:45.25 | gregj | that's what CTO at the time said to us, that was in 2005 |
| 11:45.27 | gregj | before the buy out |
| 11:46.38 | gregj | but my memory about details is fuzzy, so I might be wrong on them |
| 11:53.31 | Elleo | yeah, I'd vaguely heard of the covenant but didn't know any details |
| 11:54.22 | Elleo | I only came to Qt within the past few years when Nokia started using it for MeeGo Harmattan |
| 11:54.48 | Elleo | before that I just did GTK stuff |
| 12:28.39 | gregj | I never touched gtk really, notion of not using objective orientated design for UI was so 80's to me |
| 12:32.05 | AndyMillar | here's a long shot |
| 12:32.15 | AndyMillar | anyone here know any javascript/webdev contractors? |
| 12:48.48 | Elleo | AndyMillar: I do some web dev contracting (when I can't find more interesting stuff :P), I'm a bit full up with work at the moment though |
| 12:49.20 | Elleo | AndyMillar: you could try Stuart Langridge, he's a good bloke: http://kryogenix.org/ |
| 12:50.21 | Elleo | he's on freenode with the nick aquarius some of the time too |
| 12:52.57 | gregj | any self respecting contractor is on freenode |
| 12:53.05 | gregj | unless it's a windows guy |
| 12:53.05 | gregj | .. |
| 12:53.11 | Elleo | heh |
| 13:18.54 | AndyMillar | ty |
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| 13:22.25 | dick_turpin | morsing: We have lots of sun up here today. \o/ |
| 13:23.47 | dick_turpin | Because that tight arse wethrin refused to contribute the indiegogo campaign failed and I will not be going to FOSDEM :'( |
| 13:24.51 | morsing | :-( |
| 13:25.07 | morsing | And I know Sharon wouldn't go anyway |
| 13:25.35 | wethrin | dick_turpin: You're rubbish |
| 13:25.37 | wethrin | I'm going to FOSDEM |
| 13:25.42 | wethrin | Be more organised, and it's cheap |
| 13:26.37 | dick_turpin | wethrin: There is no way I'm sleeping in fooking Hostel like you are |
| 13:37.12 | wethrin | dick_turpin: I'm in a hotel! |
| 13:37.14 | wethrin | About £50/night |
| 13:38.05 | dick_turpin | Hotel pfft you mean a brothel |
| 13:38.20 | wethrin | It's something to do at night |
| 13:40.38 | dick_turpin | What shift you working then? I'll get yaMatt to chuck ya a couple of Euro |
| 13:41.06 | wethrin | ooh, I see what you did there! |
| 13:42.41 | dick_turpin | Fast as ever I see. :-) |
| 13:43.16 | wethrin | I'm doing other things too! |
| 13:43.23 | wethrin | I'd say work, but I'm actually replying to ebay messages |
| 13:46.06 | dick_turpin | So you've had to sell lots of things on ebay so you can go to FOSDEM aye? |
| 14:02.12 | gregj | http://tibleiz.net/asm-xml/ lol |
| 14:05.29 | morsing | Why is it DBAs can't understand memory usage? |
| 14:07.56 | gregj | oracle dba ? |
| 14:08.44 | dick_turpin | gregj: I am not clever enough to work out the joke in your link |
| 14:08.56 | gregj | parsing xml in assembler... |
| 14:09.54 | dick_turpin | Sadly it still means nothing to me. Never mind. :-( |
| 14:21.19 | wethrin | morsing: Because memory is the system archtect's problem? :) |
| 14:24.46 | morsing | No, when you've got clueless people refusing to fix their system, it's everyone's problem |
| 14:24.53 | morsing | And ORacle is bloody incompetent |
| 14:24.56 | morsing | Oracle |
| 14:27.24 | wethrin | Bug in their system, or is it an issue with your database? |
| 14:29.52 | gregj | shooting fly with a tank gun ? |
| 14:30.21 | gregj | oracle DBAs are used to the fact that they use a product that is so faulty, it's beyond repair |
| 14:30.32 | wethrin | That's why they get paid the big money |
| 14:30.37 | gregj | basically oracle DBs are designed to operate as sole piece of software on a machine |
| 14:30.42 | gregj | use postgresql.. |
| 14:30.47 | wethrin | But, you know, everyone needs Oracle |
| 14:30.54 | gregj | fuck off ;p |
| 14:30.56 | wethrin | heh |
| 14:31.06 | gregj | that was a friendly fuck off , Dan |
| 14:31.17 | wethrin | My experience with postgresql is that everyone recommends it, and when you ask them for advice, they say "Oh, well, err, I use mysql" |
| 14:31.19 | gregj | you know what I mean |
| 14:31.26 | gregj | it's like, 'everyone needs windows' |
| 14:31.52 | gregj | I don't use mysql, I recommend postgresql, because I've been using oracle, mysql,and postgresql ended up being the only sane solution |
| 14:32.01 | gregj | beeing using it for the past 8 years |
| 14:32.02 | wethrin | I prefer the right tool for the job |
| 14:32.04 | gregj | so ask |
| 14:32.19 | gregj | mysql is never right for any job |
| 14:32.24 | gregj | some tools are just broken |
| 14:32.32 | wethrin | I've been more used to mysql than postgres, so I use that when I need a quick-n-dirty database |
| 14:32.44 | gregj | I use postgresql for that purpose to |
| 14:32.45 | gregj | o |
| 14:33.20 | wethrin | Of course, I'm not a developer, so it doesn't bother me if there's better systems out there - it works well for what I need, with the least hassle from my point of view |
| 14:35.04 | gregj | understandably |
| 14:40.33 | gregj | but I'm just saying, just like I'd say to someone I would see using broken hammer :-) |
| 14:40.51 | gregj | folks on #postgresql are very friendly and helpful, so always fire questions there |
| 14:43.56 | Elleo | /29/28 |
| 14:43.57 | Elleo | oops |
| 14:51.11 | gregj | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:06.22 | hexhaxtron | Anyone living nearby Tooting? |
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| 20:30.23 | hexhaxtron | yaMatt: hi! |
| 20:33.20 | yaMatt | evening |
| 20:35.20 | hexhaxtron | yaMatt: do you live nearby Tooting? |
| 20:39.36 | yaMatt | on the right side of the river, but not really near no :) |
| 20:54.46 | hexhaxtron | yaMatt: when is the next meeting? |
| 21:10.04 | yaMatt | I was hoping to put something together for the last weekend in January |
| 21:13.33 | yaMatt | but haven't found the time to sort out the pib |
| 21:13.34 | yaMatt | pub |
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