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| 09:03.46 | ChoHag | <Word> Oh you want to change this text your cursor is in the middle of to some new text with the same style, well no. You can have Times New Roman and like it. |
| 09:04.19 | wethrin | See, use Word for Mac. At least it'll use Calibri, which is a nice font |
| 09:05.09 | yaMatt | sometimes I look at Word and think "oh they thought about it. It's structured like a HTML document" and then usually about 5 minutes later I think "oh, I'd rather hack a bollock off than use this" |
| 09:05.24 | ChoHag | Ah I see |
| 09:05.26 | wethrin | Word can be okay if you drive it well |
| 09:05.32 | yaMatt | http://stevelosh.com/blog/2013/04/git-koans/ |
| 09:05.35 | wethrin | Sometimes it tries to be too clever |
| 09:05.36 | ChoHag | It's using a font embedded in the document, but that font is not complete. |
| 09:05.46 | ChoHag | It doesn't, for example, contain a 'B'. |
| 09:06.01 | wethrin | how useful |
| 09:06.04 | ChoHag | I'm sure the space saved has fed an African child or something. |
| 09:06.10 | yaMatt | wethrin, it improves when you know how to drive it will certainly, but a lot of the time it does a great job of getting in the way and each new version gets in your way a little more |
| 09:06.33 | ChoHag | yaMatt: Yeah that's how I feel about it. |
| 09:06.34 | wethrin | Yes, if you miss out the Office Assistant versions of Office |
| 09:06.35 | yaMatt | hahah, doesn't contain a B |
| 09:06.48 | yaMatt | wethrin, good point, excluding that |
| 09:06.52 | wethrin | Because in comparison to that, *all* the versions keep out of your way |
| 09:06.53 | ChoHag | Unfortunately everything else is worse. |
| 09:06.55 | yaMatt | but the inline style popups fuck me off so much |
| 09:07.03 | ChoHag | Except maybe word perfect 5.1. |
| 09:07.17 | wethrin | The biggest problem with Office is people not knowing how to use it properly |
| 09:07.36 | wethrin | Oh, I'll just increase the font size here. NO, use a section header! |
| 09:07.42 | yaMatt | heheh, yeah |
| 09:07.47 | ChoHag | Oh that's a huge problem, certainly. Also the fact that it's really a progamming environment. Like emacs. |
| 09:07.53 | ChoHag | Except not like emacs. |
| 09:08.08 | ChoHag | I don't think I'd say that's the biggest problem with it though. |
| 09:08.15 | ChoHag | I think the biggest problem with Office is Office. |
| 09:08.44 | wethrin | It's slightly confusing to me on Mac, though. Everying Apple has emacs-style bindings. Like ^A to start of line; ^E to end of line, etc. |
| 09:08.50 | wethrin | But MS Office does not |
| 09:09.09 | wethrin | So I try to jump to the end of the line without thinking, and suddenly the text becomes centre justified (or something) |
| 09:16.29 | mindbender | I think the biggest problem with Office is, you don't really need it unless you're publishing a book heh |
| 09:24.07 | wethrin | It's good for general report writing too |
| 09:24.18 | wethrin | Certainly if you want to add a bit of style to it |
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| 09:45.20 | mindbender | i think the general word processors are good enough for reporting which are being shipped by the OS |
| 09:45.35 | mindbender | like Abiword or Word (windows) |
| 09:46.10 | mindbender | I really find it unnecessary to install OpenOffice,Ms Office and alike |
| 09:51.11 | gregj | word is not installed by default on windows |
| 09:51.18 | gregj | you get notepad, and wordpad |
| 09:51.28 | gregj | on mac, you get text edit, which is something like wordpad |
| 09:51.35 | gregj | on linux you get nada |
| 09:54.33 | Leeds | erm... on Linux it entirely depends on what distro, and what options you choose at install time |
| 09:55.16 | gregj | true |
| 09:56.01 | mindbender | i meant wordpad |
| 09:56.05 | mindbender | couldn't remember its name heh |
| 09:56.29 | mindbender | i quite like wordpad actually, apart from the times that it's not able to open the new generation word documents |
| 09:56.53 | mindbender | never heard of nada, but it's name is quite interesting |
| 09:56.59 | mindbender | *its name |
| 09:57.11 | mindbender | reminds me "de nada" in spanish |
| 09:57.39 | Leeds | and now I'm not sure if mindbender is joking or not... |
| 09:58.02 | mindbender | Leeds: why |
| 09:59.03 | Leeds | got an email last week from my estate agent in London, the ones who manage my flat, with the end-of-year accounts and some other paperwork, in Word and Excel format - with a little note at the end saying they are using a newer version of Office now and I could get a plug-in from MS if I needed support |
| 09:59.19 | Leeds | was slightly tempted to reply and point out that I didn't use Windows or Office at all :) |
| 09:59.39 | mindbender | yeah I reckon OpenOffice supports it though |
| 09:59.58 | mindbender | well, I use Win8 at home with no Office |
| 10:00.10 | mindbender | I'm quite happy with it. |
| 10:00.33 | Leeds | libreoffice certainly does - was just funny that they had a note covering the "old Office" situation, but not the "no Office" situation |
| 10:00.34 | mindbender | might be the first OS I paid for a license |
| 10:00.45 | mindbender | ah I see |
| 10:00.57 | mindbender | well, I usually send my CV as a PDF |
| 10:01.10 | mindbender | and the agency will realise that they can't edit it so would ask for a word version, that I struggle with |
| 10:01.25 | mindbender | as everytime I try to make it a .doc, the layout goes berserk |
| 10:01.51 | mindbender | not even sure if they manage to open it, but they format it even horribily further so I think It's the least of my worries. |
| 10:02.17 | mindbender | recruitment agencies are crazy business |
| 10:09.29 | ChoHag | mindbender: My solution to the problem: Do it in word in the first place. |
| 10:09.51 | ChoHag | I even legally own a copy of Office 2010. |
| 10:11.23 | ChoHag | ... which I use primarily to write and update my CV. |
| 10:21.43 | MrKen | I originally prepared by CV using LaTeX and distributed as PDF but ended up moving to work just to make sure I had a decent-looking .doc/.docx file :( |
| 10:21.52 | MrKen | s/by CV/my CV/ |
| 10:22.12 | MrKen | Jeez, could I make any more typos :( |
| 10:22.19 | MrKen | s/to work/to Word/ |
| 10:22.29 | ChoHag | Yeah I tried that route. |
| 10:22.48 | ChoHag | Built using some templating system so I could add jobs easily. |
| 10:22.56 | ChoHag | So it was both cool and moral. |
| 10:23.19 | ChoHag | Then I realised nobody cared. |
| 10:23.22 | MrKen | Yeah. I had a very nice looking CV, in version control (CVS in those days, heh), but no-one wants a PDF CV :( |
| 10:23.25 | ChoHag | Also got hungry. |
| 10:33.56 | mindbender | ChoHag: I refuse to pay for word as I won't be using 99% of its features and would only need to update my CV once in 4 years :p |
| 10:34.38 | yaMatt | and the newer versions they release the less of it you'll use |
| 10:34.56 | ChoHag | The full Office suite is less than one day's revenue, so pays(ed) for itself by the first employed lunchtime. |
| 10:34.57 | mindbender | I suppose, I'm happy to distribute it as a PDF tbh |
| 10:35.34 | mindbender | until the recruitment agencies ask for a .doc format which I convert to by openoffice and alike |
| 10:35.43 | mindbender | they fuck up the layout anyway, so they might as well edit their own licensed office. |
| 10:35.53 | mindbender | *edit in |
| 10:35.53 | ChoHag | Principals are great and all, but they aren't very nutricious. |
| 10:36.13 | mindbender | ChoHag: served me well :) |
| 10:36.16 | ChoHag | Even correctly spelled. |
| 10:42.27 | mindbender | besides who needs CVs anymore |
| 10:42.32 | mindbender | we've got linkedin! |
| 10:42.36 | ChoHag | Recruitment agents. |
| 10:42.49 | mindbender | i've signed up on it last month, and it turned out to be worse than facebook |
| 10:43.00 | mindbender | all my mates are adding me, I'm suspecting it uses my address book on gmail |
| 10:43.04 | ChoHag | aka. Employer's gatekeepers. |
| 10:43.05 | mindbender | and send out emails |
| 10:43.13 | mindbender | aka P1mp5 |
| 10:43.13 | ChoHag | Yeah it turned spammy recently. |
| 10:43.48 | mindbender | i don't remember allowing it to access my address book one way or another. |
| 10:44.04 | mindbender | they must have done something cheeky |
| 10:44.06 | mindbender | with google |
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