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| 09:03.03 | morsing | Mohan! |
| 09:53.00 | Leeds | so Louis CK is doing a couple of shows in London in March... 2 days before I get to the UK :( |
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| 09:58.34 | AndyMillar | z00dax: do you guys have the realtime kernels in Centos? |
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| 10:02.26 | z00dax | AndyMillar: isnt the RT stuff mainlined now ? |
| 10:03.50 | AndyMillar | z00dax: good question |
| 10:05.10 | z00dax | i ask since, we have a 3.4 kernel for centos-6 now |
| 10:05.20 | z00dax | and there is a private build for the mrg stack, which has the RT kernel |
| 10:06.20 | z00dax | ( which is 3.2 based ) |
| 10:15.07 | AndyMillar | hmm, I should play |
| 10:15.20 | AndyMillar | ty |
| 10:46.59 | gregj | Leeds: yeah, I wanted to go to. But not sure if I'll be in london that time either |
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| 11:21.00 | cityLights | ~seen Leeds |
| 11:21.05 | ibot | leeds is currently on #gllug (11h 37m 45s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 1h 28m 5s, last said: 'so Louis CK is doing a couple of shows in London in March... 2 days before I get to the UK :('. |
| 11:21.23 | cityLights | Leeds: hi there |
| 11:22.03 | cityLights | Leeds: we are seeking a technical guy in HK |
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| 12:11.35 | ChoHag | The Dawson College computer science student who was expelled after discovering a security breach in a system used by students across Quebec has been offered a scholarship by the company behind the software. |
| 12:43.56 | Armand | lolololol |
| 12:44.41 | Armand | fail to win transfer on the level of AWESOME! |
| 12:47.46 | morsing | ChoHag: Isn't that only natural? |
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| 14:22.35 | dick_turpin | ibot: slap morsing |
| 14:22.35 | ibot | ACTION slaps morsing, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
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| 16:39.36 | z00dax | AndyMillar: https://nazar.karan.org/results/mrg/kernel-rt/20130123114535/3.2.33-rt50.66.el6rt.x86_64/ for your personal enjoyment |
| 16:39.52 | AndyMillar | <3 |
| 17:15.34 | gregj | http://www.aaib.gov.uk/publications/special_bulletins/s1_2013___agusta_a109e__g_crst.cfm |
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| 18:26.18 | yaMatt | gregj, awesome, always good to get the source |
| 18:26.43 | gregj | as a pilot muyself, I like to read these |
| 18:27.00 | gregj | and it is always much better source of information then tv or radio, where you get all sorts of nonsense |
| 18:34.48 | yaMatt | yeah, just watched the report on bbc london news and it's interesting how much the reporter was speculating |
| 18:35.51 | yaMatt | gregj, you fly planes or helicopters? |
| 18:36.29 | gregj | planes |
| 18:36.42 | gregj | but still, any aviation related subjects are of my interests :-) |
| 18:37.26 | gregj | what that guy basically did, was flying in marginal weather whilst texting and so on. He had tons of experience, but even I can't text whilst driving - even with tons of driving experience. So.. |
| 18:37.39 | gregj | but of course there could have been something else. |
| 18:38.02 | gregj | with these reports, they release quick one usually just to state known facts, and the proper formal report will be released in year or two |
| 18:38.23 | yaMatt | they said a few months time on the news |
| 18:39.12 | yaMatt | I'm amazed how much detail this report goes in to |
| 18:39.26 | yaMatt | mentioning damaging the underground water works |
| 18:39.39 | gregj | yeah |
| 18:39.43 | gregj | they are always very detailed |
| 18:39.50 | gregj | that's why it takes so long |
| 18:39.56 | yaMatt | I'm impressed so close in time to the accident |
| 18:40.30 | gregj | of course that heli was very sophisticated |
| 18:40.44 | gregj | kind of sophistication comparable to a mid sized jet |
| 18:41.00 | gregj | so autopilot hold, and the guy was busy probably changing frequency, etc |
| 18:41.01 | yaMatt | it mentions the texting, was that with his phone or some other device on the helicopter? |
| 18:41.13 | gregj | I'm sure it was just his phone |
| 18:41.17 | yaMatt | ah, ok |
| 18:41.31 | gregj | but they probably got that data off the network carrier, as they would store them for a while |
| 18:41.39 | yaMatt | or the client maybe |
| 18:41.59 | gregj | yup |
| 18:42.09 | yaMatt | so he would have directed the heli in the right direction which happned to be in the path of the crane and pressed a button? |
| 18:42.11 | gregj | but they have few people there he was talking to |
| 18:42.34 | gregj | the text was sent last time 4 minutes before the crash |
| 18:42.38 | gregj | or something like that |
| 18:43.05 | gregj | mind you, when it's gusty and you have to fly under cloud - you don't get heights exactly right |
| 18:43.09 | gregj | they fluctuate |
| 18:43.18 | gregj | also, he could have not known about the crane |
| 18:43.22 | gregj | maybe didn't read the notams |
| 18:43.32 | gregj | the report is suppose to state facts |
| 18:43.45 | gregj | and that's what it does. It will never have any judgments |
| 18:43.59 | yaMatt | they were saying on the news just before the crash that his flying was irratic, I expect because looking at the conversation with the tower that he was holding position to an extent |
| 18:44.17 | gregj | it's not their job - so next time you see 'expert' on tv or hear on radio trying to say something in 30s about a crash, just ignore them |
| 18:44.30 | gregj | they usually (99.9% of time) just talk rubish |
| 18:44.44 | gregj | if you imagine a cloud, it isn't a flat base |
| 18:44.56 | gregj | plus, with london skyline |
| 18:45.16 | gregj | nobody knows why he went to middle of london to land there, loads of facts are still unknown |
| 18:45.17 | yaMatt | I tend to assume the news is talking shit anyway, it's rare I watch it |
| 18:45.51 | gregj | likewise |
| 18:45.53 | yaMatt | but when a heli crashes meters from the train line you take in to work it's pretty interesting :) |
| 18:45.57 | gregj | I even don't have TV for ages now |
| 18:46.13 | gregj | well, mind you last time something like that happened was in 197X |
| 18:46.31 | gregj | and amount of air trafic over london every day |
| 18:46.57 | gregj | you have pretty much aircraft overflying london to land to 3 different airports |
| 18:47.01 | gregj | plus few helipads in the city |
| 18:47.12 | gregj | plus police, govt and ambulance helis |
| 18:47.13 | yaMatt | yeah, helicopters used to fly over my office every day, I haven't seen any for a week now |
| 18:47.23 | yaMatt | few military ones go over too |
| 18:47.27 | gregj | cos they are not suppose to fly in marginal weather like that |
| 18:47.37 | gregj | this is why they mention rule 5 at the end |
| 18:47.42 | gregj | 500ft and 1000 ft rules |
| 18:48.21 | gregj | of course there are some things you can do in heli, that I can't do in an airplane |
| 18:48.27 | gregj | just a nature of the beast :-) |
| 18:48.48 | yaMatt | heheh, yeah |
| 18:49.06 | gregj | most of these helis flying around london must have two engines, for safety |
| 18:49.13 | gregj | same with aeroplanes |
| 18:49.32 | gregj | this is why for instance, even the airplanes landing at city airport, some of them quite small - have to have two engines |
| 18:49.46 | gregj | same with olympics, there was an aeroplane doing some display work, had to have two engines |
| 18:50.08 | gregj | other option is, the guy put a holding patter in the autopilot, and was busy doing few other tihngs |
| 18:50.15 | gregj | but the autopilot flew him into the crane |
| 18:51.09 | gregj | have to wait for the final report |
| 18:51.25 | gregj | it will detail facts, especially ones that contributed to the accident |
| 18:51.52 | yaMatt | is there a black box on the helicopter? |
| 18:52.08 | gregj | that particular one, there should be a flight recorder - yes |
| 18:52.23 | gregj | afaik |
| 18:52.35 | gregj | again, it will take them a bit to recover that data and analyze it |
| 18:52.40 | gregj | which is why you won't see it in that report |
| 18:53.02 | gregj | or let me put it another way, by the time report is finished - media will move over to bitch about something else |
| 18:53.04 | yaMatt | yeah, I figured |
| 18:53.18 | yaMatt | oh yeah, I think the media will consider this case closed now |
| 18:53.29 | gregj | yeah |
| 18:53.37 | yaMatt | took some good photos on the edge of the police cordon of all the reporters there |
| 18:53.43 | gregj | avg joe's focus span is few days |
| 18:53.47 | yaMatt | the Pret on the corner of vauxhall bridge was doing great business |
| 18:53.53 | gregj | look every election date, they are fooled over and over again ;) |
| 18:54.18 | yaMatt | I expect the aaib release this report quickly to stop the media moaning |
| 18:55.33 | gregj | they usually release reports like that to stop people from speculating |
| 18:56.05 | gregj | but on the other hand, they will try to overanalyze it now |
| 18:56.26 | gregj | and of course you'll get polititians trying to say something about what they 'will' do about it |
| 18:56.49 | gregj | and those who will do something that they promised, will actually make it worse and more expensive to those who fly over london |
| 18:57.04 | gregj | (which is usually important for businesses, so it will hurt all of us in the end) |
| 19:00.39 | yaMatt | politians don't want to be seen to be doing nothing |
| 19:00.49 | yaMatt | they'd rather react badly than not react at all |
| 19:00.57 | yaMatt | they don't want to end up in the headlines |
| 19:01.12 | gregj | some of them will do something, or rather - people executing decisions for them will do |
| 19:01.37 | gregj | as usual - regulations make things worse for everyone, satisfying few for a bit. |
| 19:02.23 | gregj | few aviation forums I'm on were buzzing right after. Loads of people complaining about what someone said on radio or tv |
| 19:03.12 | gregj | thing is, journalists usually read these forums to fish for quick info - and they of course usually misquote , misinterpret, etc - so you have to be careful what you say ;-) |
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