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| 09:04.00 | Leeds | any chance anyone is a) awake and b) capable of doing some quick paid Flash work? |
| 09:04.41 | wethrin | a) yes; b) no |
| 09:04.43 | wethrin | sorry |
| 09:05.39 | hali | i can do some flash work, if it involves watching youtube videos in their flash player |
| 09:05.49 | yeled | htlm5 ;) |
| 09:05.58 | Leeds | want to change an existing applet... apparently should be a simple change |
| 09:06.39 | bilarh | i can do flash work too :) |
| 09:06.54 | bilarh | i need you to provide me with a mac, though ;) |
| 09:07.03 | bilarh | and a video camera would be good too |
| 09:07.10 | bilarh | and a hat of some sort |
| 09:07.15 | bilarh | balaklava maybe |
| 09:07.25 | yeled | and a ustream.tv account? |
| 09:07.44 | Leeds | erm... |
| 09:11.04 | yeled | sorry |
| 09:11.27 | yeled | i just came in to ask if there were any places i should start reading about freelancing in the .uk |
| 09:12.39 | bilarh | yeled: sorry, we're pretty normal most of the time :) |
| 09:12.50 | Leeds | are we? |
| 09:12.51 | bilarh | yeled: try www.jobsite.co.uk? |
| 09:13.04 | yeled | bilarh, i was thinking more advice.. i am just considering it |
| 09:13.04 | bilarh | leeds: actually no, but he/she has't been here long enough to realise yet :D |
| 09:13.09 | bilarh | yeled: ah ok |
| 09:13.16 | bilarh | yeled: are you inside/outside the EU? |
| 09:13.22 | yeled | london |
| 09:13.44 | bilarh | ok, let me rephrase... do you need a work permit? |
| 09:13.54 | yeled | no :) |
| 09:14.03 | bilarh | aha |
| 09:14.18 | yeled | i imagine it would be near impossible if you needed one |
| 09:14.22 | bilarh | are you looking for contract work or pure freelancing? |
| 09:14.29 | bilarh | yeah i was going to shoot you down in flames :P |
| 09:14.58 | yeled | bilarh, maybe a bit of both.. freelancing to start with |
| 09:15.02 | bilarh | because "freelancing" as such might be quite hard to get into i think, unless you know "lots of people" who can buy your services |
| 09:15.07 | bilarh | although that's just my opinion on the matter |
| 09:15.11 | yeled | yeah |
| 09:15.24 | bilarh | i think as a freelancer you have to be able to sell yourself a lot better than as a contractor |
| 09:15.32 | bilarh | soemthing i'd personally suck at |
| 09:15.55 | yeled | by contractor you mean you go through a contracting company? |
| 09:16.15 | bilarh | no i mean fix term contracts |
| 09:16.25 | yeled | ah |
| 09:16.35 | bilarh | i think of freelance as "do some work for two-three days for a client" |
| 09:16.49 | bilarh | where-as contracting is more like 3-6 months (or longer) fixed term contracts |
| 09:16.52 | bilarh | if that makes sense |
| 09:17.02 | yeled | yes i agree with that |
| 09:17.09 | bilarh | i have no idea if those definitions are what everyone else thinks :) |
| 09:17.11 | yeled | but you still have to sell yourself for the longer term job :) |
| 09:17.20 | bilarh | yeah of course, but only once ever 3-6 months ;) |
| 09:17.23 | yeled | heheheh |
| 09:17.26 | yeled | ok |
| 09:17.28 | yeled | anyway |
| 09:17.33 | bilarh | where as freelancing would be more like "selling yourself full time, doing it stuff part time' :) |
| 09:17.53 | bilarh | there used to be a lot of contracts in the city, but it seems to have dried up a bit now again |
| 09:18.08 | bilarh | and competition is a lot higher now as well, *i think* |
| 09:18.22 | yeled | i cant find any HMRC websites on what are the first tax steps etc |
| 09:18.41 | bilarh | you can start your own ltd company if you want |
| 09:18.46 | bilarh | or you can join an umbrella company |
| 09:19.18 | bilarh | with the umbrella one, you essentially become PAYE and they take care of all tax things |
| 09:19.30 | yeled | yeah i did that in .au for a while |
| 09:19.33 | bilarh | on the other hand, that means you can't get away with tax breaks you might be able to claim back if you have a LTD company |
| 09:19.47 | bilarh | or even sole trader |
| 09:20.18 | bilarh | are you working at the moment? |
| 09:20.22 | yeled | yes |
| 09:20.25 | bilarh | ok |
| 09:20.37 | bilarh | i'd start by finding a contract role then |
| 09:20.39 | bilarh | you can always sort out the finance stuff later |
| 09:20.55 | bilarh | are you stuck on 4 weeks notice? |
| 09:20.58 | yeled | true, but i'd like to know what i am getting myself into |
| 09:21.12 | yeled | yeah i think so |
| 09:21.25 | yeled | its why i was thinking 'freelance' |
| 09:21.37 | bilarh | aha |
| 09:21.44 | yeled | something to do on the side.. one day a week |
| 09:21.50 | yeled | that doesnt clash with my contract :) |
| 09:22.01 | bilarh | again, unless you know someone who will pay for that one day a week already, i think it will be hard |
| 09:22.34 | yeled | well i get approached reasonably regularly |
| 09:22.43 | bilarh | aha cool :) |
| 09:22.45 | yeled | enough to make it worthwhile saying 'yes' and figuring out my tax |
| 09:22.50 | bilarh | in that case, if you get a break go for it :D |
| 09:23.02 | bilarh | you can do work as a "sole trader" |
| 09:23.40 | yeled | right |
| 09:23.40 | bilarh | you don't even need to form a company or anything |
| 09:23.40 | bilarh | as long as you pay your tax at your current rate ;) |
| 09:23.40 | yeled | ok |
| 09:23.40 | yeled | "sole trader" seems to be the google magic i needed |
| 09:23.40 | bilarh | although if you can get some salary cash in hand, obviously that works out better :) |
| 09:23.40 | yeled | course :) |
| 09:23.40 | bilarh | ok, cool :) |
| 09:24.58 | yeled | yep thats the business. thanks bilarh |
| 09:25.15 | bilarh | np |
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| 11:25.58 | dick_turpin | Afternoon all |
| 11:30.45 | hali | afternoon |
| 11:38.06 | Mohan | Afternoon |
| 12:01.24 | bilarh | dick_turpin: NO! |
| 12:02.05 | dick_turpin | bilarh: I'm scared to ask "No what?" |
| 12:03.30 | bilarh | just no |
| 12:03.59 | bilarh | goes on a swedish rampage and stabs dick_turpin in the chest, whacks himself with a hammer over the head and gets run over by a lorry |
| 12:07.06 | dick_turpin | It must be a Swedish thing? |
| 12:07.35 | bilarh | did you read about the swedish sisters last year? |
| 12:13.18 | dick_turpin | regrets this |
| 12:13.23 | dick_turpin | bilarh: No? |
| 12:14.21 | antiphase | Mental birds |
| 12:14.43 | bilarh | dick_turpin: start here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7636577.stm |
| 12:14.44 | antiphase | Must have been off their tits on surströmming |
| 12:15.23 | dick_turpin | Oh god yeah that was on TV the other night |
| 12:15.27 | bilarh | antiphase: yeah it happens |
| 12:15.40 | bilarh | dick_turpin: making swedes proud the globe over :D |
| 12:15.52 | dick_turpin | One (Or both?) get hit by a truck |
| 12:15.58 | antiphase | The best place for swedes is in a Cornish pasty |
| 12:16.05 | bilarh | PC Paul Finlayson, also witness to the incredible events, described the most violent of the two sister to the BBC as "a seriously deranged woman". |
| 12:16.40 | bilarh | *then* one of them got arrested for stabbing someone to death |
| 12:16.47 | bilarh | and jumping onto the motorway again :D |
| 12:17.46 | bilarh | dick_turpin: so watch it, you! |
| 12:18.40 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Have you seen your Kwik-Fit advert? There's a Swede couple on that |
| 12:18.48 | bilarh | really? |
| 12:18.58 | dick_turpin | At least I think they're Swedes |
| 12:19.45 | antiphase | It's a good bet if they look shifty and foreign |
| 12:19.57 | antiphase | like reject Vikings |
| 12:20.09 | cbz | Heh |
| 12:20.19 | cbz | the swedes are all well groomed and polite these days. |
| 12:20.35 | bilarh | cbz: umm |
| 12:20.39 | bilarh | cbz: no :P |
| 12:20.57 | dick_turpin | Either that or they are both from the lebensborn program? |
| 12:21.19 | cbz | Well, except for geeks who are never well groomed anywhere. |
| 12:21.28 | bilarh | cbz: ok then, i'll let you off :) |
| 12:21.47 | bilarh | puts his images back in his wallet |
| 12:22.15 | cbz | You have an ungroomed geek fetish? |
| 12:22.17 | cbz | Each to his own |
| 12:24.26 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Likes his mating partners to look as rough as him |
| 12:24.48 | bilarh | dick_turpin: I shall let my wife know what you said about her ;) |
| 12:25.03 | cbz | I refuse to date women who are as hairy as i am. |
| 12:26.27 | dick_turpin | bilarh: If you give her a sec she'll be happy to take your call |
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| 12:30.33 | gregj | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10996804 |
| 12:30.37 | gregj | eel oo ell |
| 12:35.51 | dick_turpin | Ah yes that remind's me what are you going to to now that they are doing away with mixed hospital wards? No more fake illnesses for you winkle |
| 12:36.06 | dick_turpin | going to do |
| 12:37.50 | antiphase | You can't get in the hospitals these days because of all the health tourists |
| 12:37.56 | antiphase | eyes the foreigners suspiciously |
| 12:38.20 | antiphase | bilarh will be in there again having his moobs enlarged on the NHS |
| 12:38.25 | bilarh | offers antiphase pirated DVD's |
| 12:38.57 | antiphase | Fi dorra |
| 12:39.13 | bilarh | i'm sorry i don't seem to have that title |
| 12:39.14 | dick_turpin | antiphase: Ooh are you allowed to say controversial things like that? |
| 12:39.35 | bilarh | i have a new one called "A-tim" |
| 12:40.08 | antiphase | HAve you got that cookery video? |
| 12:40.10 | antiphase | Hammer Thyme |
| 12:40.23 | bilarh | hehe |
| 12:40.45 | dick_turpin | hahaha |
| 12:40.55 | bilarh | are you kidneying me, that's not a real title surely? |
| 12:41.22 | antiphase | It was just a yolk |
| 12:46.03 | j0nr | can anyone help. I am trying to use fuse. when I perform 'sudo modprobe fuse' I get this error: |
| 12:46.06 | j0nr | FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.18-128.2.1.el5.028stab064.7/modules.dep: No such file or directory |
| 12:46.47 | bilarh | j0nr: you're missing a file or directory :) |
| 12:47.02 | dick_turpin | I see Angelina Jolie is 'hoping' to go to Pakistan to visit the wet people. Do people in remote villages of Pakistan have even the slightest clue who she is? |
| 12:47.34 | boudiccas | and if htey do, do they really care? |
| 12:47.39 | bilarh | gets a nefarious idea |
| 12:47.42 | antiphase | depmod -a |
| 12:51.34 | dick_turpin | Hang on that that path looks wrong, why is /modules in twice? |
| 12:52.03 | bilarh | because the second occurance is a file ;) |
| 12:52.25 | dick_turpin | yes but thats wrong too |
| 12:52.46 | bilarh | that's exactly what it looks like on my system apart from the kernel name |
| 12:53.09 | dick_turpin | Oop yes it does I'll get me coat |
| 12:53.50 | dick_turpin | Silly me forgot I was on a W7 box :-) |
| 12:54.07 | boudiccas | how can you forget that? |
| 12:54.21 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: I can forget a lot of things |
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| 13:48.01 | j0nr | bilarh: why would it bemissing? |
| 13:49.24 | bilarh | j0nr: depmod creates a list of module dependencies, by reading each module under /lib/modules/version and determining what symbols it exports, and what symbols it needs. By default this list is written to modules.dep in the same directory. If filenames are given on the command line, only those modules are examined (which is rarely useful, unless all modules are listed). |
| 13:50.01 | bilarh | j0nr: i'd do what antiphase said and see if that helps |
| 13:55.56 | j0nr | bilarh: depmod -a? |
| 13:56.33 | boudiccas | j0nr, uname -a please |
| 13:57.56 | j0nr | Linux jcrdevelopments.com 2.6.18-128.2.1.el5.028stab064.7 #1 SMP Wed Aug 26 15:47:17 MSD 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:58.43 | boudiccas | j0nr, thats not a centos kernel, thast a broken vps you're running |
| 13:59.06 | j0nr | depmod -a |
| 13:59.06 | j0nr | WARNING: Couldn't open directory /lib/modules/2.6.18-128.2.1.el5.028stab064.7: No such file or directory |
| 13:59.09 | j0nr | FATAL: Could not open /lib/modules/2.6.18-128.2.1.el5.028stab064.7/modules.dep.temp for writing: No such file or directory |
| 13:59.26 | j0nr | broken as in my installation or broken out of my control? |
| 14:00.08 | boudiccas | j0nr, broken as in your vps supplier has not given you the proper centos and needs to be contacted to get the proper one |
| 14:00.32 | j0nr | oh....bit over my head |
| 14:00.58 | boudiccas | j0nr, you could also try joining #centos but the answer you're given wont change |
| 14:01.44 | j0nr | i dont even knwo what centos is :/ |
| 14:02.07 | boudiccas | j0nr, what is your operating system that you're using? |
| 14:02.16 | j0nr | ubuntu 8.10 |
| 14:02.27 | j0nr | sorry 8.04 |
| 14:02.41 | j0nr | (keep meaing to upgrade to the latest LTS) |
| 14:03.08 | boudiccas | ah fair neough then, what i said about a broken vps probaly doesnt apply then |
| 14:04.39 | bilarh | j0nr: what does uname -a say? |
| 14:04.48 | j0nr | 14:57 < j0nr> Linux jcrdevelopments.com 2.6.18-128.2.1.el5.028stab064.7 #1 SMP Wed Aug 26 15:47:17 MSD 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 14:04.55 | j0nr | @bil |
| 14:04.58 | j0nr | @bilarh |
| 14:11.14 | bilarh | have you got a directory called /lib/modules/2.6.18-128.2.1.el5.028stab064.7 ? |
| 14:14.04 | dick_turpin | waits with bated breath |
| 14:16.35 | boudiccas | dick_turpin, what is your breath bated with? and what do you hope to ctach with your fishing? |
| 14:17.21 | boudiccas | dick_turpin, maggots? sweet corn? bread? |
| 14:19.13 | boudiccas | dick_turpin, or some proprietary mix for coarse fish? |
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| 14:46.20 | dick_turpin | Mint Imperials |
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| 14:47.27 | boudiccas | mint imperials? never heard of them bate before |
| 14:47.35 | boudiccas | *as |
| 14:47.51 | boudiccas | do they work, and if so what do you catch? |
| 14:49.17 | boudiccas | last time that i went fishing i c aught a little perch, all of two inches long, so i returned it to the river as it wasnt enough to cook for my tea |
| 14:50.16 | boudiccas | but it couldve been a tench, or even something different,but i know that it wasnt a pike, i at least recognise them |
| 14:52.24 | boudiccas | dick_turpin, do you do much fishing in your neck of the woods? |
| 14:52.44 | dick_turpin | Nope |
| 14:52.51 | boudiccas | i like the complete queitness of it all, the getting bakc to nature |
| 14:53.17 | boudiccas | and the chance to watch rabbits on the other sid eof hte river |
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| 18:23.51 | kjs | any jobs going the DO NOT involve working with end users directly? |
| 18:32.18 | wethrin | Unlikely there'll be any jobs that have no contact with end users at all |
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| 19:21.34 | kjs | wethrin: tragic |
| 19:21.50 | kjs | what about non dumb ass users? |
| 19:23.50 | z00dax | kjs: what problem are you trying to solve ? |
| 20:16.07 | hali | lack of people skills? |
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