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| 07:50.58 | morsing | Nafallo! |
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| 08:55.22 | hali | morning |
| 08:56.10 | bilarh_ | morn |
| 09:06.05 | Mohan | morning |
| 09:09.41 | hali | hm, our company website hosting has just been oursourced to a weird vps company... would think they'd host that in house, considering we host a number of large web based financial systems and have thousands of webservers across the company |
| 09:11.59 | antiphase | Bean-counter fail |
| 09:25.08 | bilarh_ | how's this for a recipe for disaster |
| 09:25.19 | bilarh_ | some toerag has changed root's shell to tcsh |
| 09:29.48 | cpufreak_ | so? |
| 09:30.14 | bilarh_ | it sucks |
| 09:30.26 | bilarh_ | afaik bash should be the root shell |
| 09:30.32 | bilarh_ | in redhat |
| 09:30.38 | bilarh_ | who the hell goes and changes something like that? |
| 09:30.44 | cpufreak_ | don't do things as root, use sudo |
| 09:30.47 | cpufreak_ | no problem |
| 09:30.47 | wethrin | csh is a good idea for root shell |
| 09:30.48 | cpufreak_ | next? |
| 09:30.50 | wethrin | *because* it sucks |
| 09:31.21 | bilarh_ | cpufreak: well, apart from two companies i've worked for, nobody has ever used sudo for everything |
| 09:31.34 | bilarh_ | christ i know unix admins that log in to the graphical user interfaces as root |
| 09:31.53 | bilarh_ | in fact, nobody outside of those two organisations have ever heard of sudo |
| 09:32.05 | bilarh_ | and especially here it's an uphill battle at times |
| 09:32.34 | ChoHag | wethrin: Plain sh, surely. |
| 09:32.57 | ChoHag | The really trimmed down version in busybox. No history, no tab completion. |
| 09:33.07 | ChoHag | But still not csh. There's no need to be cruel. |
| 09:33.11 | wethrin | no, plain sh is slightly more usable than csh |
| 09:33.35 | wethrin | things are done as root here |
| 09:34.17 | hali | people tend to ssh straight in as root on anything that's not pure prod here too |
| 09:34.41 | jpds | uses sudo and zsh. |
| 10:33.58 | AndyMillar | people who ssh in as root should *die* |
| 10:34.33 | AndyMillar | sudo <cmd> is ideal, though if you're lazy, sudo su - or sudo bash works |
| 10:34.41 | jpds | sudo -i, kthx. |
| 10:36.56 | wethrin | sighs at old Solaris userland |
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| 10:38.35 | ChoHag | sudo -s on old sudo |
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| 12:02.12 | dick_turpin | Afternoon all |
| 12:04.35 | dick_turpin | Right vote time: Which is best? (And none of that "Depends what you are doing crap") Nagios, Icinga, openNMS or Zabbix |
| 12:05.57 | DiscordianUK | I've always used nagios |
| 12:06.10 | LeedsHK | depends on what you are doing crap |
| 12:07.28 | ChoHag | DiscordianUK: ping |
| 12:07.35 | ChoHag | dick_turpin, even. |
| 12:07.35 | dick_turpin | DiscordianUK: Just installed Icinga (Which is a Nagios fork) yesterday on CentOS 5.4 now people are telling me to use openNMS or Zabbix, I'm just playing with it |
| 12:08.04 | DiscordianUK | Ahhh Icinga sounds okay |
| 12:09.45 | dick_turpin | DiscordianUK: tbh I haven't a clue what I'm doing, not even 100% sure its working, I added and internal W7 machine that I think it sees yet is not getting any data? |
| 12:10.25 | DiscordianUK | Never monitored windows machines with it |
| 12:10.27 | DiscordianUK | Uggh |
| 12:10.38 | DiscordianUK | shudders at even the thought |
| 12:10.47 | dick_turpin | Beggers cant be choosers :-( |
| 13:02.18 | z00dax | if you need agent based monitoring, zabbix is perhaps the way to go these days, if not zenoss. |
| 13:02.45 | z00dax | both of those need non-trivial amounts of maint, definitely a lot more than nagios ever did |
| 13:03.02 | z00dax | openNMS, imho, is best avoided untill you really need it. |
| 13:03.35 | z00dax | any monitoring system that is bulkier, slower and needs more attention than most deployed apps out there, is a bit of a wasted effort. ( imho ) |
| 13:15.29 | dick_turpin | TBH the configuration process is a bit of an uphill struggle, someone suggested check_mk, however I cant get the check_mk_agent.exe install to install :-( |
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| 13:57.16 | z00dax | dick_turpin: the thing with windows and monitoring windows machines is that you can always throw money at it :) |
| 14:00.21 | dick_turpin | z00dax: I'm doing it for me, although maybe (If I get the hang of it ) I could turn it into an earner. |
| 14:01.12 | dick_turpin | z00dax: Where the hell do I get libapache2-mod-python for CentOS? "yum him so no" |
| 14:03.35 | z00dax | dick_turpin: you dont, since there is no such thing. you just want mod_python dont you ? |
| 14:04.39 | dick_turpin | z00dax: Was going to following this guys install instructions for check_mk http://blog.stefandanielschwarz.de/2010/01/howto-how-to-install-nagios-with.html |
| 14:07.05 | z00dax | dick_turpin: if you are going down the route of check_mk; may as well just look st zabbix instead. |
| 14:07.31 | z00dax | its a lot easier to get going - and does about the same thing |
| 14:11.12 | dick_turpin | z00dax: It took me a day to install Nagios mainly because I was in work so could only do an hour here 10 minutes there. I suppose I could stop all the Nagios stuff and install Zabbix as well? |
| 14:18.37 | z00dax | dick_turpin: you can most likely just download a Vmware VM image that has zabbix installed on it |
| 14:18.48 | z00dax | and it has built in discovery, which tends to work fairly well with windows hosts |
| 14:18.54 | z00dax | specially if they are on the same network |
| 14:19.43 | dick_turpin | z00dax: OK thanks a lot |
| 14:21.43 | z00dax | you're welcome, although I didnt help much :) you can also try #zabbix, they *can* be helpful sometimes |
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| 22:52.22 | DiscordianUK | notes CentOS is now release |